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Speaker 1: all your friends, your filthy horse, Your husband's gone, and

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Speaker 1: It's books, it's gossip. I'm shook. It's memoir's martini. Celebrity

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Speaker 1: Book Club. Come read it while it's hot. Celebrity Book Club,

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Speaker 1: Tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. No boys

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Speaker 1: are alloud. Celebrit Book Club, say it loud and cloud

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Speaker 1: Celebrity book Club. Buzz Man. I brought the queer foe.

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Speaker 1: Hey bye, my best friend, my best darling, my dearest

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Speaker 1: oldest friend from Eaton. How are you from grade school?

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Speaker 1: Little coeds? How are you doing, Darling? I mean I'm

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Speaker 1: the Standard all weekend. But I have to say they're

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Speaker 1: brunch's top notch. No one does it like them, and

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Speaker 1: Like it's so over. It's literally I've never heard of

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Speaker 1: is because everything is brunch now hot take and coming

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Speaker 1: Like read this in GQ next week. Everything is brunch

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Speaker 1: be charged fifty dollars darling. Well, but the restaurant industry

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Speaker 1: is hurting, and we are going to get into that

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Speaker 1: has a lot of other engagements to get to red carpets,

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Speaker 1: then call back again. Ladies and gentlemen. We're talking about,

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Speaker 1: of course, none other than one of the funniest man

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Speaker 1: because and it's for that very reason that I always

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Speaker 1: So let's not waste this time. Okay, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: you to laugh? John Darling? What a treat? How old

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Speaker 1: I've been watching your special on repeat. So oh, thank you.

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Speaker 1: seemed like there were similar frustrations with like the media class. Yes,

424
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: and she's like like, oh, like, can we not like

425
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: even though it seems like she's celebrating the rich like

426
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: every second of her day, she is like, oh, like

427
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: the rich are boring, Like let's celebrate like perilis whidering

428
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: and she was, And she really does seem to like

429
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: constantly talk about how when she's in New York. She mean,

430
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: I wonder if she were getting as rich as she

431
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: was getting in New York in the UK, if she

432
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: would also feel the need to hustle. But she does

433
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: seem to always be talking about a distinctly American yes,

434
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: you know it really it reminded me of a line

435
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: I remember reading in another book, another very sort of

436
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: intellectually titan book called Epre Love but Elizabeth Gilbert, and

437
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: she talks about Gibet, Lizbet Gibert, and Lizabette talks about

438
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: how every city has a word that defines the city,

439
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: and she was like Rome, the word for Rome was

440
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: sex romans tofined by sex. Everyone wants to get it.

441
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: How I get it? Where do I get it? How

442
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: can I look it? But the word for New York

443
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: is success. Everyone. It's hell bent on success here and

444
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: climbing the ladder and getting more money, and it's never enough.

445
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: And you know, if you take out the you get sex.

446
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: You get sex and sex and success the same thing,

447
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: sex and success. And Tina doesn't. She does seem very devoted,

448
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: like I feel like she's never really like flirting at

449
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: a dinner part. There's that scene with Warren Baby, Oh, yes,

450
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: where he is laid it on. Oh that was so

451
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: you thought you thought he was being fully flirtatious, not

452
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: just trying to create a kind of actorly mystique. Yeah,

453
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: that's what I got to be eventually profiled. Oh, I mean, yes,

454
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: I guess that's a that's a hard both, I guess.

455
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean I think that he would have

456
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: fucked her if like she came up to his room,

457
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: you know what. Yeah, totally like him bringing the phone

458
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: abound the table to call Diana Breeland to be like,

459
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: we love you. He's so he sounds awful. I know

460
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: it was. I was. It was so cringted insane. It's

461
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: like and the person's bringing the like the landline over

462
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: on like a silver platter. But then did he memorize

463
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: Danna Reland's number, And he's just like beet boot beet

464
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: and then and then he's like, I'm at lunch with Tina.

465
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Speaker 1: We love you best. Sorry, that is so gay, even

466
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: though Warren Baty is like supposedly like the straightest, like

467
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: sexiest man of eighties, but to have marriage to Madonna

468
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: or engaged Madonna has landline memorize? That was like, I

469
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: was like, there's a straight man has Diana Breland's landline memorize.

470
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: But this is what you know we're talking about, Like

471
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: what happened? Why can't a straight man memorize a fabulous

472
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: and this is what we've lost. It is what we've lost.

473
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: Well men used it was used to be okay for

474
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: straight men to like have culture and request the landline

475
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: to just have a quick little day call to DV

476
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: also like him taking a lunch with him, requesting a

477
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: lunch with Tina Brown. To ultimately just be like I

478
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: don't want to be a profile is absolutely psychotic. Okay,

479
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: can I dare you truth or air, John, Can I

480
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: dare you to do that to so much choice? Yeah? Ok, yeah,

481
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: just like the editor of of book Red Book, I

482
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: want a full fucking spread and a book you can

483
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: like pull out the next two years. But then who

484
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: is he calling during the lunch? She's like, bring over

485
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: the phone, to bring over my cell phone. Are like,

486
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: we're calling Mark Marion Darling. Let's just call Let's just

487
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: call him. Let's just call him right up. We love

488
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: you over here, Red Book. Stephen. As someone, as a

489
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: person of journalism experience, I do I'm curious to know

490
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: what this was like for you, reading a book about

491
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: the kind of heydays of print magazine. And this, this book,

492
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: for me, might have best been seen through the eyes

493
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: of my I'll say it boyfriend. Um when I was

494
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: poolside reading this book and basically every three page was

495
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: stopping and going that is so true. And then just

496
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: like having getting into like a full on forty five

497
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: minute conversation with myself out loud, just being like, and

498
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: no one does this anymore, and this is the problem

499
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: with interview and it was a problem then, and honey,

500
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: it's still I was. I was really interesting. I mean,

501
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: first of all, I mean, God, where do we begin.

502
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean the budgets that magazine had in the eighties,

503
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Like the power that a magazine could have, that the

504
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: living in a world before goddamn Twitter and the Internet,

505
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: when people actually waited to get this thing in their hands,

506
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: and that they they wanted, And like the fact that

507
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair and what she brilliantly did at Vanity Fair

508
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: was like you know, she no one thought that you

509
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: could have this magazine that had such as and had

510
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: had the humor and also had the hard news and

511
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: had that that levity and that that edgy perspective and

512
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: that sophistication, like all in one point of view. And

513
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: they were like, well, okay, you have to have a

514
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: fashion magazine, or it has to be a film magazine

515
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: or the imagine just like a selection of articles curated

516
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: for you by smart people versus like every single day

517
00:28:52,800 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: being like absolutely pummeled with like just right, quick quick

518
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: Will Grace. Will and Grace are trying to figure out

519
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: if this guy that they both have a crush on

520
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: is gay, and so they go into his apartment to

521
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 1: look at his bathroom magazines to figure out. They go

522
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: in the magazine Vanity Fair, they still can't figure it

523
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: out right. I love that, And also that like a

524
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: magazine would be such a household name and have such

525
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: clear cultural connotations that like a multiicam sitcom could like

526
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: use that as a joke that like all of America

527
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: would understand. M you can't do that. No, I mean

528
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: what magazine would you say? You know, Entertainment Weekly? Literally, yeah,

529
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: I will say. So. What one thing I loved about

530
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: what she did at Vanity Fair is there was such

531
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: a respect for the reader's intelligence. And I think about

532
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: the headlines that they had. So she has this thing

533
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: called the rule of three where she's like, we we

534
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: really turned around a Vanity Fair when we had three

535
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: really major news covers that like generated news in and

536
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: of themselves. So there is the Ronald Reagan one with

537
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: Nancy and the and the headline was the Reagan Stomp,

538
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: and it was like brilliant because it was about them

539
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: winning re election. And it wasn't like saying that that

540
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: was good or bad in a way. It was saying like,

541
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: this is the moment we're living in, and we're capturing

542
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist, like we are in the middle of the

543
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: xy sties, like everyone wants the party to keep going,

544
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: and Reagan won in a landslide, and like, that's what's happening.

545
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: And it was like the editorialization was like it was

546
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: so obvious, but it also like had a little bit

547
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: of like cleverness and a metaphor to it, like, you know,

548
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: he's stomping up the competition. He's like, you know, it's

549
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: like we're stomping on the little people, but we're enjoying

550
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: the stomp, you know. And it's like he would never

551
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: have language like that on the cover of magazine. The

552
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: same thing with the Diana cover, which was another one

553
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: of her rule of three. The headline was the Mouse

554
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: that Roared, which wait, I'm obsessed with. You would never

555
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: see metaphor, like, you know, like that kind of editorialization

556
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: on a magazine. They're that to Kate. No, well she

557
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and she certainly isn't roaring, and nor the nor is

558
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: she a mouse? But oh okay, well and I and

559
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: I and I thought of this. So I was in

560
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: the airport, you know, as I said, I was coming

561
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: back on the red eye from Miami. And when I

562
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: take a plan, it's always a red EyeT on care

563
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: what time I took a red eye leaving A twelve.

564
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: We arrived at one Blue red Eye my eyes you know,

565
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: danced across Hudson News and they landed on Vanity Fair

566
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: at the newsstand and all was it doing? The cover

567
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: was it brought? It was the saddest thing of every

568
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: It was absolute tragedy. It just said Star Wars. And

569
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: then there was the cast of the latest TV show.

570
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. It was devastating. That's so

571
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: sad awful. I know, Star Wars, like how dumb are we?

572
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: How dumb? How dumb are we? And how dumb do

573
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: they think we are? And how right are they? I mean,

574
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: it was it's are you in Star Wars on Hulu? Blas, Yes,

575
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: I should just say, we're gonna have to cut all

576
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: that because it's me and Daisy Ridley. You're both and

577
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: you're both in our two, three four. But I loved

578
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: also obviously I'm a giant Wallace Sean fan, and I

579
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: loved her where he says America has no memory, and

580
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: she keeps like bringing that back her quote, just like

581
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: she's always just you know, always her. She's her first critic,

582
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: even if she knows it's fabulous, and this is a cover.

583
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: She realizes is like bad. Meanwhile, I got into a

584
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: ludicrous pr flack attack when I found her Britz cover

585
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: of Deborah Winger unacceptably dull and depressing. Rich shot her

586
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: for the February cover in a white terry bathrob looking morose.

587
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Since the shoot had gone quite well only two hours late.

588
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: As a feat for her, I'm told, we asked if

589
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: we could do a second shoot to get a really

590
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: good cover out of it. At this Pat Kingsley Yes,

591
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: the hypermatic power craze PR from pm K through a tantrum.

592
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: She called Saint Jane Sarkin an asshole in a fuck

593
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: up and suggested VF go screw itself. It's just like

594
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: the drama. The drama, there's this little passes about America

595
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: that I thought was so of a sitting in true

596
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: m After the Beauty of the Rand, the Tucson Mall

597
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: was disorienting and depressing, a sprawling, characterless mass of kmarts

598
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: and gas stations and drug stores. As we drove around

599
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: in the blinding raid or cruised down the fluorescent lit

600
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: aisles of throbbing products and the gigantic pharmacy where we

601
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: went to collect GE's prescriptions. Her autistic child, I thought,

602
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: how this is in America. I will never warm to

603
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: America as a huge, vacant, product filled centerless, culturally sterile

604
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: parking lot. There's no center, there's no center. There's no center.

605
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: I love the word centers. Hold then that center absolutely

606
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: not hole, because it's not there. And I you know,

607
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: because you know, I've been thinking of there's a lot

608
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: about how awful the landscape is and how it breeds

609
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: the sort of violence that we've now become so inured to.

610
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: But you know, the idea of the centerlessness is so

611
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: true because there are no institutions there, there are no

612
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: cult there's no culture to hold onto. In some of

613
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: the country, there's just absolutely nothing but products. But but

614
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: these sterile, fluorescent products and these awful, awful environments, and

615
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: you know what's it going to do. It's to drive

616
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: you insane. And it does, and everyone's well, will you

617
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: tell me, will you fill me in? Like what happens

618
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: in the second half. So yeah, Eventually she does realize

619
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: that her child has Asperger's, but now he works at

620
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: a nonprofit and everyone loves his tribing sense of humor.

621
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: She has like such an Angelina Jolie moment with her

622
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: nanny where she's like overhears, she overhears the nanny just

623
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: being like on the phone, just being like Georgie loves me,

624
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: like she's a bad mother, Like he should be mine.

625
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: And this is out there summer, the summer and quality

626
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: where I have and I have. I have a personal

627
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: relationship to Quogue in the fact that once I went

628
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: to a animal rescue there where the house injured owls, yes,

629
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: and it's like it's all these like owls and gorgeous

630
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: eagles and like foxes that were like found on the

631
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: side of the road with like one the fleft. And

632
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: once an eagle was stolen from there. Oh wow, I

633
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: think it was the nanny. I think it stole this eagle.

634
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: Janni to the villainous Filipino anyway, so she of course

635
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: this is so like classic like Mommy Nanny drama. And

636
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: then she like goes up to her and she's like

637
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 1: get out of my house. And then she's like pack

638
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: your stuff right now, and then she calls the like

639
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: doorman to come up and take guard because she's like

640
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: worried that Janita is gonna stab her with a letter

641
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: open air. I I know. Yeah, her guys are just like,

642
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: oh honey leaves that in. Well, I love because when

643
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: she hires money to she's like, I wanted an experienced,

644
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: middle aged nurse, Like I didn't want something. I didn't

645
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: want some like bouncy o pair from Ireland coming over here,

646
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: like nor did I want one of these like you know,

647
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: Haggard warhorses, Like I just I want like an experienced

648
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: mom who's going to be mom shit. But then yeah,

649
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 1: so then one need to is like talking shit about

650
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: her and she's like get out, Wow, that's huge. Would

651
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: you John, just not to pry, but for your your

652
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: two beautiful daughters? Um? Yeah, yeah, what what kind of

653
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: nanny would you look for? Would you hire older nanny? Is? No,

654
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: we don't. We just don't. We We really agreed if

655
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: we're going to do this, we're going to take care

656
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: of them ourselves, right wow. And it takes the village.

657
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: And would you ever be like, oh, but neighbors and

658
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: friends and aunts. Yeah, and we pay those neighbors, but

659
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: we pay our chosen Yeah, but we don't actually hire nanny.

660
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah hmm. Yeah. I mean what I'm hoping to do

661
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: is sort of like somehow acquire like a child that

662
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: that is already of seven age or whatever. Adoption. Adoption

663
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: seems a little expensive and it seems a little unromantic

664
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: to me, were I want rather just kind of get one.

665
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: I kind of want that raising Helen's situation, Not that

666
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: I want my sister to die, but you know what

667
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a little more. You just get

668
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: a seven year old and you're like, yes, just does

669
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: bud wait? Oh wait, can I just quickly say for

670
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: the listeners at home, look up Klaus and Sonny or

671
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean talk about Laus von Bulo. Yeah, the murder.

672
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: I knew nothing, but so was he. I didn't know

673
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: think about it either. She puts this guy's been accused

674
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: of murder, like does a photo shoot with her Brits

675
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: or whatever on the cover, and it's one of her

676
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: news making stories and like and it's him and his

677
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 1: like new wife, and she's just like caught in the act,

678
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: like caught by Dominic Dunn, like snapped by Helmett and Newton,

679
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: and she's really going for it. And it made me think,

680
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: you know, the last time there was actually a real

681
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: like you know, murder well edgy pushing cover was when

682
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone put the Boston bomber on the cover, remember,

683
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: and the sexy photo of him Ross just strong, that

684
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: hot sexy teen so far and he was capturing in

685
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: my mother's house no excuse me, I mean jaha, I

686
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: mean put his a bomb under my mailbox. But it

687
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: was like, you know, but that was the last time

688
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: anyone took a risk like that, you know, and there's

689
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: there's you know, people try to manufacture some stuff here

690
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: and there, but you know, it never really gets here.

691
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean that was really we don't see those. I

692
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: literally both like, what was the last like magazine cover

693
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: that I guess like there's still well now it's like

694
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: it's always there's a fake magazine called just like Flower,

695
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: and it's like Kendall's being like so excited to like

696
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: share with you three of my upcoming four Flower cover

697
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: or it's like send Dia in a suit. Yeah, and

698
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: it's always it's literally always send Dia in a suit

699
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: and everyone is just like incredible, and then adding seven

700
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: to makeup artists and stylists and just being like I've

701
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: never been prouder to work and everyone's like, thank is

702
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: so brave to be thankful. John, what's the most amount

703
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: of people you think you've thanked in a post. Oh

704
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: that's a really good question, probably like sixty Darling, shall

705
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: we meet for lunch segments? Perfect? See with the four seasons? Perfect?

706
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: What does she wear? What does she eat? How does

707
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: she live? So, John, this is part where we kind

708
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: of pick apart the esthetic tastes of the of the memoirs, food, lifestyle,

709
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: and then we say, who are we in the book? Yes?

710
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: So so in terms of fashion, you know, she does blazers.

711
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: It's Bill blast blazers. And I don't even know if

712
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: he was doing I don't think he was doing women's wear,

713
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: So I take that back, but it um. She often

714
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: describes her style as kind of Diana, and she's like, oh,

715
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: I put and I love the way she describes clothes,

716
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: like when she she has the meeting with some new house,

717
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: like for when she's originally gonna get like hired as

718
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: the editor in she of Vanity Fair, and she's like,

719
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: I went and I bought this Chloe dress that was

720
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: like this big shoulder pad like long black dress. And

721
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: then she was like, so like it turns out the

722
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: Chloe dress was a mistake and like I should have

723
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: never bought it, and it was like way to interview

724
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: so like I put it in more Diana number of

725
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: a tweed skirt and like a backless button down that

726
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: was like casual but sexy. I feel like she's kind

727
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: of the way that like office girls, well more like

728
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: fashion the office girls dressed now like very the row,

729
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Well, and also Diana core

730
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: like everyone is trying to be Diana again. Um, I

731
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: was obsessed with when she was talking about how Diana

732
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: would just how um, Prince William was like so mad

733
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: at her because all Danna does is just Starrett photos

734
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: of herself, yes, her like archives. Yeah, and I loved her,

735
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: like I mean, I guess I'm not I William. Yeah, sorry,

736
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm from I don't fucking care about the oils, Okay,

737
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: no taxation. Um, but I love when she described Diana

738
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: as like dim Yeah, I never I mean, of course,

739
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: but only ever these days you like here Diana described

740
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: as like mysterious and yeah, there there's a refreshing someone said.

741
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: I can't remember who said it or the phrase, but

742
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: it was something like she was, you know, she was

743
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: obsessed with like the fantasy being a princess and like

744
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: obviously because like she became a princess but like that,

745
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, it was like she had the like the

746
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: sort of Disney idea of princess in her head and

747
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: that was kind of all that was that was up

748
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: there for her. Yeah, and so of course it was

749
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: not going to live up to that. And she had

750
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: this like you know, more Philanderine like jocular husband who

751
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: wanted to like debate things with Camillo over Martini exactly,

752
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: and like she wasn't as intellectually curious as Camilla, but

753
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: she had this charm and everyone saw and the charm

754
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: was was sort of bizarrely her vulnerability. It's called being

755
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: twenty four honey. Yeah, hello, Yeah, I had it too,

756
00:41:54,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: exactly where's my room at Buckingham Palace? Um. Other style

757
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: of things she mentions, how like, which is also so

758
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: office girl about like how like when she's in Quogue,

759
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: she like dresses like a total like mass like pass

760
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, I dress like disgusting when I'm

761
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: in Quo. I'm just in like a big dirty button down.

762
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: She's been such a lesbian in quote, they look like

763
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: a huge lesbian. I'm in like this huge men's shirt

764
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: has stains on it. I'm gross. I'm a lesbian. But

765
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: then someone does call her lesbian and she's like, okay,

766
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: you're like old fashioned. Out of it her like British

767
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: friend is being like, oh everyone in New York is

768
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: a Jewish lesbian. Um. Oh wait, where you see Zippi's

769
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: esti lesbian jewesses bubbling with new ideas? I see plotting,

770
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: ill mannered, bottomlessly earnest boobies any time about like Anny

771
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: Liewoods and Liz Smith, who like she has a rivalry

772
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: with or Liz Smith. I hates her, oh columnist, um yeah.

773
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: But then sometimes she is just like, well the Liz

774
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: Smith column was good because like it did say that

775
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: our circular numbers, we're killing it. Um. So she realizes

776
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: it's all part of the church, all part of the game.

777
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: How does she eat? I don't think she eats very much.

778
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: I think she's like a picker in the Nimbler. Yeah, like,

779
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: what do you we think she's ordering at the Four Seasons? Well,

780
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: she references there's that one salad with Ci where it's

781
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: like they're both getting. I do also feel like Si

782
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: is always ordering her, like being like we'll have two kapraises. Yeah.

783
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: I think she gets she gets the four Seasons and

784
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: there's like a perie with lemon and a salad like

785
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: waiting for her, and they just know when they bring

786
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: it out, and it's just this eighties wedding salad that

787
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: she has every day. Famously allergic to alcohol. Yeah, I

788
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: mean that's what's so drink right or no? No, she

789
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: literally doesn't and like and that's why she has this

790
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: absolutely photographic memory of every single dinner party with like

791
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: Kenry Kissinger and seventeen other fashion designers over the course

792
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: of ten years. Yeah. And it made me a little

793
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: bit jealous in this way. I was like, God, you know,

794
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: would I be so much better and smarter and more

795
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: with it if I could remember every fucking word people

796
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: said if I wasn't drinking. I mean, do you keep

797
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: a diary? Now? Do you keep a diary? John, I

798
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: don't take photos. I don't keep a diary. Okay, Oh god,

799
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: I just it doesn't I don't have a strong supper.

800
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: And then I regret it. I have to say I

801
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: kept a diary last summer, and I'm so glad I did,

802
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: because it's absolutely fascinating. I remember stuff that I would

803
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: never have remembered, and I write down and it is

804
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: as Tina says, it has this the fierce, urgent sea

805
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: of the now or like some phrase uses where it's like,

806
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't have like, you know, the remember

807
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: the memoirists like hindsight, you know, the brilliance of like

808
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, netcrafting narrative. But what it has is like

809
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: the element of surprise, you know, and like you don't

810
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, and then you look back

811
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: and you see shit germinating. It's like and you're like,

812
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like that's the first time that I

813
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: met that person. I had no idea that they were

814
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: going to be this character, you know, like like only

815
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: six weeks later. Yes, I'll do Like I feel like

816
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: in a period of time we're I'll be like three weeks,

817
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I'll do it, and then I stop, and then I

818
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: do it like another three weeks later. So consistency, but

819
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: let's all, let's all maybe resolve to try and be

820
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more diaristic. Was like maybe if I

821
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: didn't drink, I would have the energy to like go

822
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: to dinner parties like seven days a week. Yeah. Yeah,

823
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: was this the age of the balsamic drizzle. I think

824
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: balsamic was like getting invented around this time. Yeah, I

825
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: think it was happening. Like I bet maybe an a lab,

826
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: but like there was like a Milwaukee lab also like

827
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: she you know, I bet like one sum because she

828
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 1: hires also a chef for her for Quogue, well because

829
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: or something. This is my question about the student. Oh, yes, Kelly, Kelly,

830
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: the student. She's like, Oh, it's so fabulous to like

831
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: just be rich and be like to get off the

832
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: train and have someone cooking. And she called it cutting board,

833
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: chopping block, just as just British, I guess. And she's like, oh,

834
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: I wish I could be one of those powerful women

835
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: who then carelessly just creates a fabulous meal on a

836
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: trapping bug. Yeah, but she just simply can't. But then

837
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: she's having all of these dinner parties at her house

838
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: with Harry, and I'm like, who's cooking? There must be

839
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: a chef in New York as well, Kelly. She's she's

840
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: pulling Kelly from quote back to manhat yea, Now, John,

841
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: you're a dinner party an I'm a dinner queen. Do

842
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Speaker 1: you do you do what Tina does? Which I'm desperate

843
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Speaker 1: to start on my own life, which is like she

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00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: invites like a mix of eight people and there's heads

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Speaker 1: of state and like rock stars and actresses and as

846
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: friends you're like and it's it's all about the seating

847
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: chart and like you know, curating it from maximum freeso,

848
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: which is her favorite word. By the way, um okay,

849
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: how does she live? I think how does she? I

850
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: think she's kind of like British maximalist in that way

851
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: where it's like jewel tone sofas country chic, like massive

852
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: copy table books piled. But I don't think it's monochromatic.

853
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: I think it like there's like you know, the pink,

854
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: chintzy curtains and then the like the dark the dark

855
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: green sofa and then the red sofa and the chipping

856
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: purple paint, like a deliberately chipping purple paint on like

857
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: a dresser like you know what I mean, like kind

858
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Speaker 1: of control. Okay, yeah, like a like a like a

859
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: patina or something, because I yeah, the thing is because

860
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: she is always taking paint to say she's not like soap.

861
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: She mentions buying am absolute paper. I'm only making six

862
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: hundred thousand in the year buying these two massive desks,

863
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah, and sending one to one to

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Speaker 1: New York and went to the kind and then she's

865
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: like like I used to do as a girl when

866
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: I would order from magazines and it would show up

867
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Speaker 1: in a giant truck and my parents would be so

868
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: much like how did you have the money? Or as

869
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: a girl? Very all those viral tweets that are so like, uh, yeah,

870
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: so my six month year old baby took my iPad

871
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: it in order all of this from Amazon. Someone's not

872
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: getting like mommy's milk chis today a gross mom Twitter? Yeah,

873
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: she's Pina as a child, like filling out like the

874
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: you know what Herod's catalog. Yeah, I mean it must

875
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: have been not that expensive. She must have been ordering

876
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: just like a fifteen dollar pillow, you know. But also

877
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: her dad like ran like a movie studio or something

878
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: like she was rich. But I feel like in that

879
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: way where you know, Britain had a middle class. You know,

880
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: it was the sixties, it was the sixties, it was

881
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: post war Britain, like there was a middle class, and

882
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have the extreme equality that we

883
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: started to see in the Reagan years. Than to trickle

884
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: down economics, which now we know it's a bad thing.

885
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: Now we know now that I'm reading my diary. Yes, um, okay,

886
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Speaker 1: who are you in the book? Here's my question? Fear

887
00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: am I Jerry Zipkin? Nancy Reagan's like gossiping friend her,

888
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: just like ruddy little gay. That's like show I don't

889
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: think you're actually I'll say this, I don't think you're

890
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: obsessed with women that much like would be, but I

891
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: would attach myself to a Nancy. Yeah, I don't see that. Yeah, Um, John,

892
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah? I don't have any strong I'll say this,

893
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: Are you like one of Leo's like the George You're Oh,

894
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: are you one of the one of the many men

895
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: who dies of aids over the course? Well, that's what

896
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Maybe I am. It is quite

897
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: I mean I do say that, you know, the aid

898
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: saga is quite. It's quite real. I do like the

899
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: way that it just keeps coming up in this real way. Yeah.

900
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: And she's like the scene where she's talking to the

901
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: editor and they both realizing he's going to die and

902
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: they both just start crying in her office like that

903
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: that really like got me really choked up, Like that

904
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: was so beautiful and poignant and like she's just being

905
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: so honest about it and yeah, like this is awful.

906
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: Everyone we know is dying. One of my first people

907
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: who died. When she was like, you know, when she

908
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: found out he has AIDS and she's like, I mean,

909
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't like him. Yeah, I love that.

910
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, still like horrifying, you know, yeah, or

911
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: like the other guy. She was like, it's so sad

912
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: because we kind of like hadn't talked for like three

913
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: years since Tatler and he was always such kind of

914
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: a bitch, but this is an awful end for him,

915
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: and especially with the bean closet, and she's like, it's

916
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: really sad. Yeah, yeah, it's so real, I know. I

917
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: mean she's such a like I'm putting her in the

918
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: Maryanne Williams and like straight Woman Hall of Fame. I

919
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: feel like from the way that she just seems so

920
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: understanding and right, she's not just sympathetic, really mentioning it

921
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: and then having this twenty seventeen like after log about

922
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: it just being like and of course AIDS was so

923
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: bad during that time, like you see it in the

924
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: diary in real time. Yeah, over in time, Stephen Waite,

925
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: maybe you're Leo the gay guy that like was pushed

926
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: out when she became at Ranny Fair and then he

927
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: like scowls at her later, the guy who was like

928
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: writing a magazine to the ground. Oh god, I'm so

929
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: old and doddering. But you have a boyfriend. You have

930
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: a boyfriend, and all these powerful gay guys who like

931
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: hate Tina. Um. Who am I? I don't know. I

932
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: feel like I'm working. You're Ronald Reagan with all time.

933
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: No Maya, Maya's leading you around whispering in your ear

934
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: like no, no, she's great. She's having so much fun.

935
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: People are looking at us being like, oh they still

936
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: got it. I'm just about to lunch, just like sucking

937
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: on like a little hard came a little werthers Um, listen,

938
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Speaker 1: I give this book like absolutely, like five best selling

939
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: covers out of five. This truly, it's thrilling, it's brilliant,

940
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: it's personal, it's vulnerable. It's so filled with fucking tea

941
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: and gossip at names and descriptions of dinners and dresses.

942
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: It's like everything you could want. Um. And it's historical

943
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: and she has you know, she does. History happens in

944
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: these pages. But you know, in this beautiful eye for detail. Um,

945
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: I'll do five out of five. Kapre says, I mean,

946
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: I can't really say because I only read half of it,

947
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: but I really I it made me kind of yearn

948
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: for UM again, just a better time where when when

949
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: things were more kind of there was more centralization in

950
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: the media, they were more kind of like true like

951
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: smart curators who were like kind of who respected the

952
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: public more. You know that that was like that, And

953
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: I think, and it's genuinely inspiring. I think we can all,

954
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: you know, strive to be a little more rigorous. It's

955
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: not and I give it UM five reservations at the

956
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: wrong Room in Four Seasons Siberia, as um Side New

957
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: House calls it. And she's eating upstairs at the grill

958
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: of the Four Seasons there is Alex. He's like, oh, Tina,

959
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: I heard you had lunch today. She's like, yes at

960
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: the Four Seasons, Yes, but I heard you were in Siberia. Well,

961
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been turned away. But Stephen was turned

962
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: away from last week on his birthday because he was

963
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: wearing shorts and they were still I mean, we say,

964
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we want to go back to the eighties

965
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: that was with couldn't wear shorts. That was pretty eight

966
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: something I don't think we need to go back to

967
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: because a formal short like the one I was wearing,

968
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: I think should be absolutely encouraged. Well, we all have

969
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: our opinions. I do think you should been wearing pants

970
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: and a jacket for sanitation reasons alone. Dolly, my legs

971
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: are cleaner than the marble countertops and quote coming off

972
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: the Jamez, I doubt it. I would never take the

973
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: jamesze Um. Well, John, thank you so much. I um,

974
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: you know, I want to I want to thank you

975
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: to have you on. You've been such a fan of

976
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: yours for so long. I hope you get to meet

977
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: in person at some point to meet you. You are

978
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: my idol um. I do hope you come back on

979
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: the pod so we can do an even longer book,

980
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: which is Sammy Davis Junior, Sammy Davis Junior. Yeah, and

981
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: we got like a really good wreck for Sammy Davis

982
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: Junior's book, so I would like to do that in

983
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: a year's time. It was such an honor to be

984
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: on this. I've been listening to this podcast since twenty

985
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: ten as I'm just a huge Yeah. Thank you, well,

986
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: so thank John. You know and to all the listeners,

987
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: I want, I want to encourage you to please go

988
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: watch John Eally and caper Lance News special. But if

989
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: killing it a laugh on Peacock by a lot of dinners,

990
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: A lot of dinners in the special, a lot of

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00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: lunch is a lot of dinners. And kay, you guys

992
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: love dinners. We love dinners. We love the martini. You

993
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: know you love. Ask you a question John, for their

994
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: listeners out there, are they going they happen to mee

995
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: you have canceled their Peacock subscription in the past six months?

996
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: Will they need to reinstate it to watch? Well? I

997
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: would ask you, why would you cancel when it's free?

998
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: Yea Peacock is freezed to But but no, they may

999
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: they may have gone up to premium for like four

1000
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 1: ninety nine, but like you can literally watch it for free.

1001
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: And I would argue, like it's better free with the

1002
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: ads because it will kind of kind of lull you

1003
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: to a childlike stay back when cotch, Yeah, I love that,

1004
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: and you're on your parents couch stuffing your face with

1005
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: saltines and cheese. Yeah, I'd always been saltines while watching Yeah, yeah,

1006
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: if they're covered in Cheddar melted Cheddar and congratulations, thank you,

1007
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: thank you so much. This was so fun and I

1008
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: love Tina Brown. I love you guys. Um we have

1009
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 1: think Tina hands over here, okay, and do stick around

1010
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: for the VIP Lounge on Friday, where we will be

1011
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: discussing restaurants, more restaurants or Bredred, including my trip to

1012
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: the Grill in the old Four Seasons space on the

1013
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: Secret Building, and my trip to the Symphony and my

1014
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: thoughts on classical music and opera and how classical music

1015
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: is boring but how maybe I'm getting into it. So yeah, basically,

1016
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: excuse me a freaking crazy app. Do join us and

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