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I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington Or 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: of course, there are many questions about our support for 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: Israel without a Speaker of the House, and we're going 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: to get to the speaker's battle, but let's start with 18 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: what we know here on day seven, as I look 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: to the terminal, the Israel Latest column is being constantly 20 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: updated and they're doing a really great job on this. 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln touches down in Tel Aviv. 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about his visit here in just 23 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: a moment with Nick Watdams. He's already expanded the trip 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: though with the headline Blink and expanding the trip to 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and Egypt. He spoke a short time ago 26 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: upon his arrival in Tel Aviv. 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: I'm here quite simply with one message, and that is 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: the United States stands with Israel today, tomorrow, every day. 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: I think it's almost impossible for any of us to 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: comprehend on a human level what Israel's experienced at the 31 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: hands of Amas. 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: He was speaking there extemporaneously after meeting with a group 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: of survivors of the Hamas attacks last weekend. He later 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: held a formal news conference in fact that it may 35 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: still be underway, in which he was asked about the 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: strike carrier group, the gerald Ford that's heading in that direction, 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: and other potential US military involvement. 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: Here's what he said, Well, of course, as you know, 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: providing assistance as requested by Israel for its efforts. That 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: will continue, and we're working closely with Congress to make 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: sure that Israel has what it needs to do what 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: it must with regard to the Second Front. As I 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, it's our determination and that of Israel as well, 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: that there not be a second front or a third front. 45 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: If you're watching us on YouTube, where you can find 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: us by searching Bloomberg Global News, you're seeing video as 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: well of Blinken, who held a joint news conference with 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: Benjaminettnye who earlier. Let's bring in Nick Wadams, Bloomberg National 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: Security team leader. He's our expert on this story and 50 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: turning a lot of content here out of the Bloomberg 51 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: bureau in Washington. It's good to see you, Nick. Thank 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: you for joining the significance of this visit. Maybe you 53 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: can speak to Anthony Blinkn acting almost presidential as he 54 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: touches down, speaking from the heart, having an emotional meeting 55 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: with the survivors, and now this news conference. He seems 56 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: to be the tip of the spear here for the US. 57 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 58 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, this is one of the roles 59 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: that the top US diplomat often plays before there's even 60 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 4: any real agenda for him. It's like, get on the plane, 61 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 4: go over there, show that the US has your back, 62 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 4: and that's certainly what he wanted to do here. The 63 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 4: big question I have is you know, when does this 64 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: ground war start, and what happens if Secretary Blincoln's in 65 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 4: the region, and then what happens to the extent of 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: US involvement. So you heard him there saying, you know, 67 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 4: the US has Israel's back right tomorrow, today and every day. 68 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: You know, this thing is going to go in a 69 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 4: lot of very unpredictable ways in the US is going 70 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: to have some tough decisions to make as that happens. 71 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: For sure, what do you make of the addition of 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and Egypt? Your point, if he's in one 73 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: of those countries and the ground invasion of Gaza begins, 74 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: that's going to change the backdrop of this conversation real fast, 75 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: That's right. 76 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 4: So he's going to four more countries, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, 77 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: United Arab Emirates, and Cutter, And obviously all four of 78 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 4: those countries have different levels of influence on Hamas and 79 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 4: Iran Cutter for example. So what he's really trying to 80 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: show there is that the US wants to prevent this 81 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: from becoming a wider war. So as bad as it is, 82 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: you know, if you have further evidence of Iranian involvement 83 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: in the Hamas attacks, what's Israel going to do to Iran? 84 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 4: You know, and so it could get a whole lot 85 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 4: worse and a whole lot bigger. Obviously Egypt has some 86 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 4: influence on Hamas on Hezballah. We don't know what's going 87 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 4: to happen there. So this is a move where he's 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 4: trying to push these US priorities. Okay, we have Israel's back, 89 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 4: We don't want this to spread wider war. We also 90 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: have this desire to keep this normalization program on track 91 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 4: Israel in Saudi Arabia. So while they're telling Israel, you know, 92 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 4: you guys, go do what you need to do, at 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 4: the same time they're saying, hey, please don't forget about 94 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 4: this peace initiative that we have that we want to 95 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 4: keep on trap. 96 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: So he's spent in a lot of plates on this trip. Clear, 97 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: it really is. He was asked about, speaking of the Iranians, 98 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: the six billion dollars that was part of the recent 99 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: prisoner swap with Iran. Nick, all of a sudden, the 100 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: last two days we talked to Republican lawmakers and this 101 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: is all we're hearing about, right is, you know, refreeze 102 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: the money. And I'm not sure exactly what that would 103 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: even look like, as this money has not done more 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: than move to an account that's being run by the Kataris. 105 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: Listen to what Anthony Blinkoln had to say about this 106 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: in the news conference. 107 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 5: None of the funds that have now gone to Cutter 108 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 5: have actually been spent or accessed in any way by Iran. Indeed, 109 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 5: funds from that account are overseen by the Treasury Department 110 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 5: can only be dispensed for you Mediterranean goods, food, medicine, 111 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 5: medical equipment, and never touch Iranian hands. We have strict 112 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 5: overside of the funds, and we retain the right to 113 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 5: freeze them. 114 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: What's going to happen to this money? We retained the 115 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: right to freeze them. This was part of a deal 116 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: that was made. Would that agitate the Iranians further? 117 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 6: Yeah? 118 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 4: I mean this one is very complicated and has the 119 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 4: possibility of going pair shaped really quickly, because you know, 120 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 4: the US made this deal with Iran, So if they 121 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 4: then go back on that, then what's going to be 122 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 4: the status of you know, potential future talks over prisoner swaps. 123 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 4: I mean, the Iran issue has become so politicized in 124 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: the US it's sort of hard to see it straight, 125 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: but safe to say that the one issue that is 126 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 4: the case is that the US has been pushing this 127 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 4: this policy of de escalation with Iran, of trying to 128 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: use small steps to lead to other agreements to neutralize 129 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 4: their nuclear program. Obviously, if Iran is involved in some 130 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 4: way in the attack or in support of Hamas, it 131 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: would cast a lot of doubt over that policy of 132 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 4: de escalation. But I think it is safe to assume 133 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: right now that whether or not there is a formal 134 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: policy of freezing those funds, the US, the Treasury Department cutter, 135 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: they are not going to allow that money to move 136 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 4: really quickly, even if it's for humanitarian goods in Iran. 137 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: I mean, so you know, there is some reporting out 138 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: there that there has been a formal freeze of those funds. 139 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 4: Secretary Blincoln did not go that far. There may be 140 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: a legal issue there whether they can actually do that, 141 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 4: but safe to assume that money's not going anywhere anytime soon. 142 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: Nick, thanks for coming over. We'd like to stay in 143 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: touch with you to the extent that the cour available. 144 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. As always, he runs our national security 145 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: coverage here in the Bloomberg Washington Bureau Nick Wattams and 146 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: his expertise with us today to get things rolling. On 147 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's sound on, We're going to bring in General Mark 148 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: Kimmett here next, as we also hear from the Secretary 149 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: of Defense, Lloyd Austin, held a news conference a bit 150 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: earlier today and spoke directly to this potential tie this 151 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: involvement in this attack with Iran. Here's the Secretary. 152 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 7: We've not seen any indication that Iran was involved in 153 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 7: the planning or the execution of this attack. We've not 154 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 7: seen any of those indications yet, and this is something 155 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 7: that we remain focused on. And of course, you know, 156 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 7: what we know at this point is that there are 157 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 7: no indications that was the case. But again we will 158 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 7: remain focused on this. 159 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: No indications yet, and there are demands, of course for 160 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: them to show some evidence here. The other question that 161 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: the Secretary knocked down was whether the US had some 162 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: early warning. We spoke yesterday at this time with the 163 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: Congressman Michael McCall, who discussed the fact that Egypt had 164 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: given Israel three days notice on intelligence that it had. 165 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: The Secretary said, don't look here. 166 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 7: In terms of early warning, are our indications and warning 167 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 7: that we may have had to that this was going 168 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 7: to occur. Of course, will if we if we had 169 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 7: those indications, we would share them with Israel, But to 170 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 7: my knowledge, we did not see that. 171 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: All right, that was Lloyd Austin for those of you 172 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: watching us on YouTube. As we turn to the general. Now, 173 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: Mark Kimmitt is with us, retired Brigadier general, of course, 174 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: former Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs. It's 175 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: great to see us here, Welcome back to the table. 176 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: As always, we appear to be here on the threshold 177 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: of a ground invasion, and we were talking about it 178 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg a couple of days ago. These forces are 179 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: still amassing. What do you make of the walk up 180 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: to this apparently inevitable step. 181 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 8: Well, I think these railers are doing exactly what you 182 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 8: would expect a force to be doing pre attack. No doubt. 183 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 8: They have their intelligence assets out, no doubt their training, 184 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 8: They're going over their plans, they're bringing their logistics up, 185 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 8: all the normal things you would expect before you cross 186 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 8: what we call the line of departure, the line of contact. 187 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 8: It's very interesting to note that Gaza is so small 188 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 8: that there is not a place once you cross that 189 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 8: border where you cannot be shot from. So they need 190 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 8: to be completely ready the moment they cross that border. 191 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: Wow. I have a lot of questions about the form 192 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: that this may take. But to what extent do you 193 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: think Israel is allowing time for hostages to be recovered? 194 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 8: Oh, I have no doubt that there is some subterranean 195 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 8: conversation going on between Hamas and Israel. I don't expect 196 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 8: much to come from that. Hamas certainly understands that the 197 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 8: only thing they have right now that can temper the 198 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 8: Israeli attack or those hostages. Once they release those hostages, 199 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 8: I would expect Israel to go in in a way 200 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 8: they have not gone into Goza before. 201 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: We're talking about taking buildings down here. 202 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 8: I think they'll stay completely within the laws of war 203 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 8: humanitarian law, but I don't think they will hold back 204 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 8: on either their tactics and techniques. 205 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: So how do you do this when you're dealing with 206 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: an entrenched enemy that has tunnels to your point, a 207 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: extremely dense urban environment where they know the landscape better 208 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: than anyone. This is a very difficult mission. 209 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 8: It's extraordinarily difficult, particularly because of the tunnels, Particularly because 210 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 8: you have hostages, Israeli and American hostages inside of Gaza. 211 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 8: As I said before, that's the great conundrum. The military 212 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 8: has been given a task, which is to go in, 213 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 8: uproot and eliminate hamas leadership, bring the hostages back and 214 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 8: try to keep the amount of civilian casualties to a minimum. 215 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 8: That is an enormously difficult task, probably the most difficult 216 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 8: task you can get a milliky terry. If they do 217 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 8: too much, the hostages could be killed. They do too little, 218 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 8: the mission may fail. 219 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: Are they already there are their special forces in Gaza 220 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: in preparation. 221 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 8: I can reflect on that, but I would tell you 222 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 8: that in the past for this type of operation, you 223 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 8: would need to have very very good intelligence. Now, given 224 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 8: that it appears to me that the Gaza in former 225 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 8: network that Israeli intelligence has had could have been wiped 226 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 8: out before the attack, they're going to need to get 227 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 8: ground intelligence, close up intelligence, and that can't be done 228 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 8: from a satellite, can't be done from a radar. 229 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Is this then door to door, hand to hand combat 230 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: or will this be coupled by air to ground? What 231 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: type of a battle are we talking about it? I 232 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: think we're taking different contours as it rolls. 233 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 8: I think it takes different contours as it rolls. But again, 234 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 8: within the laws of land combat and the arms of 235 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 8: our conflict conflict, I do not believe the Israelis will 236 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 8: hold back. 237 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: They obviously have resources, Hamas does not have. What are 238 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: the most important ones. 239 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 8: They're troops. They have disciplined troops that are completely enraged 240 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 8: by the atrocities committed. I would not be I would 241 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 8: not want to be on the wrong side of an 242 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 8: Israeli rifle right now. 243 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: No, sir, the gerald Ford is steaming to the eastern Mediterranean, 244 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: apparently the ike is as well. Will they take part 245 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: in commanding control or this is really about projecting power 246 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: and providing a deterrent. 247 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 8: I think the main mission is to deter other actors 248 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 8: from getting involved. That was a clear message from President Biden. However, 249 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 8: those aircraft carriers and those strike fleets have tremendous intelligence 250 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 8: gathering tru and tremendous planning capabilities. They're also bringing in 251 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 8: special units, no doubt, and if, in fact somebody decides 252 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 8: to cross the line and make this wider conflict, it 253 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 8: is a tremendous defensive capability to terrence capability. 254 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: We could see a lot of things take place over 255 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: the coming days and weeks. Do you have any sense 256 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 1: of timeline when they're doing and if I did, I 257 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't tell you. Yeah, well, I'm sure that's probably for 258 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: the best. Mark Kimmant, it's good to see you. Good 259 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: to see As always, we learned something whenever we have 260 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: the General with us here on Bloomberg TV, on YouTube, 261 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: on radio, whatever the platform might be. Retired Brigadier General, 262 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: former Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs. I'm 263 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew in Washington and glad you joined us. We 264 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: get analysis on everything we've been talking about and turn 265 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: our attention as well to the battle for speaker here 266 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: in Washington with Republican House members behind closed doors today. 267 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: Lauren Tomlinson Republican Strategists is up next. 268 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg. 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Anthony Blinkn touchdown earlier today, has 276 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: already met with Benjamin et Yiahu and held a news 277 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: conference earlier with some additional news on the trip as well. 278 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: He's adding Saudi Arabia and Egypt to the itinerary here, 279 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: which could get interesting if a ground invasion begins while 280 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: he's overseas. Anthony Blincoln referring to two paths that the 281 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: Middle East can take. 282 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: Countries in this region and in many ways countries in 283 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: this world. But here in the Middle East, there's the 284 00:15:50,720 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: path of integration, cooperation, normalization and equal measures of justice, opportunity, 285 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: dignity for all peoples, including the Palestinians. Or there's the 286 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: path that Hamas has shown to the world in these 287 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: last few days, terror destruction, nihilisten a path at leads 288 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: to nowhere for anyone except to the darkest places. 289 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: In our souls, the darkest places in our souls. Anthony 290 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: Blinken sounding and speaking somewhat presidential on the visit here, 291 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: speaking off the cuff in that case, and making a 292 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: lot of headlines from overseas as he met as well 293 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: with the survivors of the attacks from last weekend. We'll 294 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: have more on that coming up here as we bring 295 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: Lauren Tomlinson into the conversation. You know her as a 296 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: Republican strategist here on Bloomberg. It's great to see you. Welcome. 297 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: People should also know not only you're a partner at 298 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: steer PR, but you were also in the national security 299 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: space for a long time as an official Department of 300 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: pollmand Security. You help to advise the Committee on Foreign 301 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: Affairs in the House, and so we appreciate your perspective. 302 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: I'd like to get to a couple of things today 303 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: with you, and we can start with this trip. The 304 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: Secretary of State seems to really be touching people in 305 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: an effective way here as sort of the representative of 306 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: the United States. With the President speaking here yesterday, it's 307 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: really Anthony Blincoln showing up in person, who seems to 308 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: be moving people when it comes to our message. What 309 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: do you make of the trip so far? 310 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 9: I mean, I think the trip is very well timed 311 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 9: and needed. And also you know Secretary of Blincoln is 312 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 9: Jewish and so he has a deep connection to I 313 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 9: think this issue these people and it's coming across as 314 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 9: very authentic in a way that I think that other 315 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 9: officials probably couldn't connect in that way. So, you know, 316 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 9: I think it's very important that he's there. He's sending 317 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 9: a very strong message of United States support for Israel, 318 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 9: condemning Hamas in these terrible attacks, and you know, I 319 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 9: think right now we have to continue to community Kate 320 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 9: as often as possible. You know, the Biden administration in particular, 321 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 9: Biden has got to fill any voids of misinformation and 322 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 9: make sure that he is out speaking constantly about support 323 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 9: for Israel, you know, diplomatic, you know, economic, militarily, whatever 324 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 9: we need to do to make sure that we are 325 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 9: supporting Israel in a full force way. And they need 326 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 9: to be communicating to the world and the American public 327 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 9: that this is the stance that America will take. And 328 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 9: I think this trip definitely shows that that level of support, 329 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 9: in that deep connection to Israel. 330 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: He's adding the UAE and Quitar to the trip, as 331 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: well as Egypt in Saudi Arabia, and a lot of talk 332 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: about the Kataris lately. With this money that is being 333 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: held in an account, six billion dollars, it's a lot 334 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: of money that was part of the prisoner swap that 335 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: we conducted with hern just a few weeks back. Interesting 336 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: how quickly this has come back into the news. We've 337 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: had a series of Republican lawmakers tell us on the 338 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: air that that money needs to be refrozen. It's hard 339 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: to tell exactly what form that would take, but the 340 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: administration has been clear. Anthony Blincoln talked about it a 341 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: short time ago. Not a dollar has been spent and 342 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: it has not moved from that account. Iran, as a 343 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: matter of fact, just said that there's been no change 344 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: in access to the funds. This a liability for the 345 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: administration or not. 346 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 9: I think it's splitting hairs a little bit. And when 347 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 9: they say that the money hasn't been touched, sure, the 348 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 9: dollars are there and they're still in the account. But 349 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 9: if you were iron and you knew that you were 350 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 9: going to get a giant paycheck and it was coming 351 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 9: your way, it's like what every American does, or what 352 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 9: any person does, right, you go spend the money before 353 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 9: you even get it. So I think there was a 354 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 9: little bit of they knew the money was coming. Palestine, 355 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 9: in particular, already had seventy five million dollars in food 356 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 9: a that had gone to them. There was a lot 357 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 9: of money being funneled in with foreign aid into this region, 358 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 9: and you know, they used the opportunity to spend it 359 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 9: the way that they wanted to. So, you know, I 360 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 9: do think it'll be splitting hairs a little bit. I 361 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 9: do think it's important that, you know, we find ways 362 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 9: in which to prevent that money from getting to them 363 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 9: and refreezing it. I think Tim Scott, for example, has 364 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 9: introduced legislation in the Senate to do something of those 365 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 9: of that degree. But I do think that this will 366 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 9: be a diplomat conversation that will happen amongst these countries 367 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 9: to make sure that we're not unintentionally funding terrorism right 368 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 9: through this type of money. 369 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because in Tim Scott, boy he went 370 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: pretty far with this. He said Joe Biden has blood 371 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: on his hands. I mean, he essentially blamed the attack 372 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: on Joe Biden, which without any real clear evidence of that, 373 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: seems to be going a bit far. And then there's 374 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: the matter of Iran, of course, just overall, whether it 375 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: helped plan, never mind finance this attack, and we found 376 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: no link there either. Do we not need to be 377 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: careful with the way we're talking about this. 378 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 9: You know, there used to be this rule when I 379 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 9: was in working in Congress where you didn't criticize the 380 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 9: American president when he was abroad, yes, or when you 381 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 9: were at war. And I do think that there's restraint 382 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 9: that needs to take as far as our domestic politics go, 383 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 9: when we are attacking ourselves from within, when we need 384 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 9: to be showing nothing but strength and unity abroad. And 385 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 9: I think that's a message that probably needs to be 386 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 9: conveyed to both sides of the aisle at during this 387 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 9: time is making sure that, yes, there is going to 388 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 9: be lots of opportunities after this conflict is over for 389 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 9: us to do hot washes and commissions and figure out 390 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 9: where the intelligence failures were and what the US could 391 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 9: do better and all of those types of things. But 392 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 9: at this moment, we really need to be focused on 393 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 9: our response to the terrorist attacks, how we're supporting Israel, 394 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 9: and making sure that our government is functioning in a 395 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 9: way that we can actually provide that type of aid. 396 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: There's going to be a big debate about supplemental funding 397 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: at some point once there's a Speaker of the House, 398 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that. But I wonder what you 399 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: make of the approach right now, because they're talking about 400 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: bundling a lot of stuff together, funding for Israel, funding 401 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: for Ukraine, funding for Taiwan, and border security funding to 402 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: either make it impossible for anyone to vote no or 403 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: somehow mandatory for everyone to vote yes. I'm not sure 404 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: the psychology here is that a good approach When Republicans 405 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: have clearly an allergy to an omnibus budget bill like this, 406 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: You know, I. 407 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 9: Think it's going to be a lot tougher, especially when 408 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 9: you throw in border security into this. I think maybe 409 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 9: that there could be some horse trading on Ukraine, Israel, 410 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 9: disaster aid, that type of thing. But I really, you know, 411 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 9: although it seems silly to even have this conversation because 412 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 9: the government theory is going to shut down in a 413 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 9: few weeks and we don't even have a Speaker. 414 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: Of the House, that's a very fair point. 415 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 9: So you know, like step one, fund the government and 416 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 9: get through like the next you know, see our crisis 417 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 9: and then you know, or really step one, get a speaker, 418 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 9: Step two, get us through the government shutdown. Step three, 419 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 9: let's talk about aid packages. 420 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: You're very ambitious. This is Washington. Well, you know, we 421 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: spoke to your former boss Michael McCauley yesterday, who chairs 422 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: the House Foreign Affairs Committee. He said he was good 423 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: with that structure. He also said though the first order 424 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: of business would be a resolution on the floor condemning 425 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: Hamas and supporting Israel. That may seem obvious to some 426 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: people here, but you get a sense that this would 427 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: be front loaded as soon as there is as a speaker. 428 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 9: No, oh, absolutely, I think there's a huge urgency here 429 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 9: to make sure that once again that the United States 430 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 9: is showing full support. Our government is funding, you know, 431 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 9: and helping the Israelis however we can, and part of 432 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 9: the strategy too. And you know, McCall probably knows that's 433 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 9: better than anyone is. It is going to be imperative 434 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 9: for us over the next few weeks to make sure 435 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 9: that other countries don't jump into this conflict, that this 436 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 9: doesn't become an all out war against Israel. And you know, 437 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 9: I think there was a lot of success today with 438 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 9: Jordan releasing the statement that they did. It was very 439 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 9: measured and it obviously indicated that they were not going 440 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 9: to jump into the fray. There's lots of questions about 441 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 9: some of the other countries on Israel's border, but that 442 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 9: is priority number one, and part of that deterrence will 443 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 9: be a show of strength from the American government that 444 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 9: we will support them in this. So, you know, McCall's 445 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 9: right as far as frontloading this and making sure that 446 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 9: we take care of it quickly, because the next two 447 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 9: weeks are going to be really important for that effort. 448 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: The next two weeks indeed, and that's why there are 449 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: not now one, but two carrier strike groups heading to 450 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: the eastern Mediterranean, Right will we use them in theory? 451 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 9: And you know, I think that there's a lot of 452 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 9: conversations about how exactly we extract hostages if that comes 453 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 9: to it. So again, moving assets to the region is 454 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 9: going to be a really important part of that, depending 455 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 9: on what type of operation they end up doing. 456 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: You tend to think some of this stuff is already 457 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: happening and we don't know about it. Is that just me? 458 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 8: Yeah? 459 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 9: I mean absolutely absolutely, Yeah. There's you know, I have 460 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 9: a lot of faith in our national security apparatus, the 461 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 9: intelligence community. We have a very capable government and you know, 462 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 9: the most capable defense structure in the world, really the 463 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 9: most capable government in the world to take care of 464 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 9: this and to do these types of things. So while 465 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 9: we talk about things from a political perspective or you know, 466 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 9: in open channels like this, there's so much that's going 467 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 9: on behind the scenes that will I. 468 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: Have no idea about right now. Yeah, it'll all be 469 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: in the book, as they say. 470 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us 471 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot Com, the 472 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg Business App, or listen on 473 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 474 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: The US offers charter flights out of Israel. Welcome to 475 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: our two of sound On as the administration moves to 476 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: help people leave the country who are looking for a 477 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: way out, and we're joined ahead by Congresswoman Nicole Maliatakis, 478 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: who is helping to leave the push to get New 479 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: Yorkers out of country. The Republican will also give us 480 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: an update on the fight for Speaker, which continues here. 481 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: We'll discuss that later with Bloomberg Politics reporter Mike Dorning 482 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: and data Today on inflation will be joined from New 483 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: York by Bloomberg Economics editor Michael McKee. We've got news 484 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: as well today on the auto strikes in Detroit which 485 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: are expanding, and we'll have all of that for you 486 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: over the course of hour two here on sound On 487 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: Live from Washington. Thanks for joining us. Kaylee Lions is 488 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: here just back from Capitol Hill and it's great to 489 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: see it. As always, Kaylee, you were there. You were 490 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: as close to the sun as you can get today, 491 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: and we didn't learn anything really about the race for speaker. 492 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: The session, I think on the floor lasted about two 493 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: and a half minutes, and I guess the Republican Conference 494 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: meeting behind closed doors didn't last a lot longer. 495 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 10: Well, we're still hearing from members who are coming out 496 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 10: of the meeting. It's unclear, really, Joe, to your point, 497 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 10: how much progress they're actually making in there. It seems 498 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 10: like it's generically an airing of grievances about Steve Scalise, 499 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 10: Steve Scalese trying to allay some concerns as he tries 500 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 10: to get the two hundred and seventeen votes he needs 501 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 10: to be speaker. And yet I caught up with a 502 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 10: number of members outside of the room who said they 503 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 10: are still not with Scalise. Carlos Semenez, for example, is 504 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 10: still McCarthy only there's others like Congressman Miller who are 505 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 10: still nos on Scalise, and some who are saying, like 506 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 10: Congressman's self, they're going to vote Jordan, even though Jordan 507 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 10: said he would give the nominating speech for Scalise. It 508 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 10: just feels like it's still math that isn't adding them. 509 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 1: My god, I'm glad you came back because I'll tell 510 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: you what. Congresswoman Malia Takas is still there, Nicole Malia 511 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: Takas of New York, of course, back with us on 512 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg and joining us from Capitol Hill. Congresswoman, it's great 513 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: to see you. I want to ask you about your 514 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: efforts here involving Israel, but with regard to the fight 515 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: for speaker, do you have a popsicle headache yet? 516 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 6: Look, it's very frustrating to me because I just want 517 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 6: to move forward, elect a speaker and get back to work, 518 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 6: and there's just too many things going on in this place. 519 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 6: We have government funding that's going to run out and 520 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 6: roughly a month, and we need to pass a remaining 521 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 6: eight of the twelve appropriation bills and send them to 522 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 6: the Senate so we could begin these negotiations and try 523 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 6: to get some wins for the American people who want 524 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 6: to see wasteful, excessive spending cont they want to see 525 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 6: secure border. And so I was with McCarthy all the way. 526 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 6: I mean, McCarthy was a great speaker. What happened to 527 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 6: him was a travesty and it was an injustice. But 528 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 6: he's no longer running, and I supported Jim Jordan. Jim 529 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 6: Jordan did not come out ahead of Steve scle Steve 530 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 6: Scalice won yesterday's vote, and as was reported, Jim Jordan 531 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 6: supporting Steve sclee. So I'm with Steve Scleeze. Now, he's 532 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 6: a good person, he's an honorable person. He will make 533 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 6: a good speaker. The bottom line is we just need 534 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 6: to get in that room, elect a speaker, and move forward. 535 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 6: There's just too many things happening in the world, too 536 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 6: many threats here at home. We need to get the 537 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 6: job done and start protecting the American people. 538 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 10: Well, Congresswoman, you say you think he is a good 539 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 10: and honorable person, but does that make him the person 540 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 10: within the Republican Conference who can get two hundred and 541 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 10: seventeen votes. It just seems like it's very difficult for 542 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 10: him at this moment. 543 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, it seems that I don't know that anyone 544 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 6: can get two hundred and seventeen votes. That's the problem. 545 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, there's always seems to be a 546 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 6: small faction who's opposed to anybody that we put off, 547 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 6: and it's not always the same eight people. Right, So 548 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 6: we had Matt Gates and his crew were the Democrats 549 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 6: to remove Kevin McCarthy was supported by ninety seven percent 550 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 6: of our conference and now we have a different ten 551 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 6: to twenty people who are opposed to Steve Scleeze at 552 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 6: this time. So it is challenging and it is frustrating 553 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 6: for people like me who just want to move forward. 554 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 6: I supported all three of those individuals. I'm sure there's 555 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 6: many other people within the conference who can do the job, 556 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 6: but we just need to be united and understand that 557 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 6: our fight should be with the Senate, with the White 558 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 6: House for the conservative policies that the American people want, 559 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 6: and that in this time when there's so many global 560 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 6: pressing issues that could easily become domestic issues, and they 561 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 6: are in many ways right because we have Americans who 562 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 6: are in Israel that we're trying to get evacuated. We 563 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 6: have some that have sadly already been killed by Hamas. 564 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 6: These are the This is exactly what we should be 565 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 6: focused on today is how do we support our ally Israel? 566 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 6: How do we get those Americans home? Which is I've 567 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 6: been pushing this State Department and finally we've got some 568 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 6: good news today. But this is what we should be doing, 569 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 6: not sitting in a room, you know, airing grievances. 570 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be tedious. I just wonder to 571 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: the extent that you engage with your colleagues, Congresswoman, what 572 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: do you tell your fellow Republicans who disagree when you're 573 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: behind closed doors in a meeting like that today or 574 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: is that not the tenor of these gatherings. 575 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 6: Look, I think everyone gets an opportunity to say how 576 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 6: they feel, where their support is, what their concerns are, 577 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 6: what needs to be changed, And that's fine. But the 578 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 6: end of the day, we still need to if it's 579 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 6: not gonna be steved, we need to figure out who 580 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 6: it is. But somebody has to get the two seventeen 581 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 6: that is needed so we can proceed with our legislative business. 582 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 6: It's only gonna make things worse if we don't get 583 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 6: to pass the appropriation bills that need to be passed 584 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 6: and send them over to the Senate. Now that's delaying 585 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 6: a process then and then they're gonna be all upset 586 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 6: in a month when we get stuff back from the 587 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 6: Senate that we're unhappy with and there's no time to negotiate. 588 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 6: So I mean, you just need to get back in there, 589 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 6: passed those remaining bills out, send support for Israel, and 590 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 6: get on with the legislative business. Like I said, Look, 591 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 6: I can support multiple candidates. I've laid out three for 592 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 6: you I thought could be good speakers. But at the 593 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 6: end of the day, it's not just me. Right, you 594 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 6: have two hundred and twenty one people in a room. 595 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 6: Everybody's got a different opinion, and that's just you know, 596 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 6: leading to the frustration that we're seeing among members like 597 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 6: myself and others. Well. 598 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 10: As you talk about the difficulty of getting two hundred 599 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 10: and seventeen Republicans to back anyone individual. Congresswomen, I wonder 600 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 10: where you think the Democrats are in this Congressmen, Alexandria 601 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 10: Acossio Cortes tweeted or posted on X earlier today. I 602 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 10: will read you the quote. Given that the vote for 603 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 10: speaker was supposed to be yesterday. It seems much more 604 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 10: realistic for five Republican members in Biden districts to vote 605 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 10: Jeffreys than it is for mister David Duke without the baggage. 606 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 10: She says that in quotes referring here to Steve Scleice 607 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 10: to flip one hundred and seven people in overtime. Congresswoman, 608 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 10: what is your respect to that? 609 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 6: But you know, the Democrats are complicit in what occurred 610 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 6: with the removal of Speaker McCarthy. They every single Democrat 611 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 6: voted with the right fringe of our party to remove 612 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 6: a speaker that ninety seven percent of our conference supported. 613 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 6: So they are complicit. They are part of the reason 614 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 6: why we're in this situation without a speaker to begin with. 615 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 6: They said they didn't want to be involved in the 616 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 6: Republican a fracture. Well, then they should have all voted 617 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 6: president and then this would have never happened. If they 618 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 6: just voted president and stayed out of it, this would 619 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 6: have never happened. But they chose to insert themselves, and 620 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 6: they voted with Matt Gates, who is among you know, 621 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 6: the most right wing member of our conference, whom the 622 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 6: majority of our conference wishes he wasn't part of our 623 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 6: conference to remove a speaker that was doing a good job. 624 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 6: And why because he averted a shutdown, because he prevented 625 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 6: a debt default, and because he averted a shutdown, he 626 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 6: was removed from power because he did the right thing 627 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 6: on behalf of the American people. The Democrats should have 628 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 6: done the right thing and recognized that. And you know, 629 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 6: this is something that should be applauded, not punished. 630 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: That's why a lot of people are saying, Congressom and 631 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure you hear it if I'm hearing it, that 632 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy is still a viable candidate and could be speaker. Yet, 633 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: is that something that you would allow for I'd be 634 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: all for it. 635 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 6: I think Kevin was a great speaker. He did a 636 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 6: good job. We passed a lot of our priorities out 637 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 6: of the House. People may be upset that the word 638 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 6: is not secure. It's not because of House Republicans. We 639 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 6: passed that bill. It's because of Chuck Schumer. They are 640 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 6: refusing to do their job. They don't want to pass 641 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 6: our bill and they don't want to pass their own bill. 642 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 6: So we can reconcile the differences. People are upset about 643 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 6: energy costs. It's not because of House Republicans. We passed 644 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 6: our Energy Priority to increase domestic production, to lower the sale, 645 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 6: lower the cost of gas and energy costs across America. 646 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 6: Senator Schumer has been sitting on it. He refuses to 647 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 6: address it. So people have to recognize that they they 648 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 6: that we are only one third of the federal government, 649 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 6: and that we have to work with the Senate in 650 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 6: the White House, and you know, we're not going to 651 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 6: always get what we want. But we were able to 652 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 6: get some good things, I thought, in particular capping spending, 653 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 6: making sure we had more checks and balances for the 654 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 6: president to be able to spend money without congressional support. 655 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 6: You know, there's certain things that we were able to 656 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 6: negotiate in that debt limit. I had faith that Speaker 657 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 6: McCarthy was in the room negotiating the best we could 658 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 6: get for the American people from the conservative perspective. Unfortunately, 659 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 6: there's some in our conference that don't understand give and take, compromise, negotiation. 660 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 6: Everybody's got to give a little to get some and 661 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 6: that's really why we're in this situation we're in today, 662 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 6: is because people want to be stubborn and want to 663 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 6: be holdouts instead of seeing the bigger picture here that 664 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 6: we need. It's good for the party, it's good for 665 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 6: the Congress, the institution, and it's good for the country 666 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 6: if we go in and just elect a speaker and 667 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 6: move forward with business and recognize the fight is not 668 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 6: with each other, it is with the Senate, it is 669 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 6: with the White House. 670 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 10: Okay, well, Congresswoman, let's talk about the White House, because 671 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 10: we just heard from the White House Press Secretary Korean 672 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 10: John here. The President Biden is going to be releasing 673 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 10: a supplemental request next week, and we have had reports 674 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 10: in recent days that that supplemental request may include funding 675 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 10: for Israel along with funding for Ukraine, Taiwan, possibly border 676 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 10: measures as well. There's been a lot of talk now 677 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 10: about the idea of Ukraine funding and funding for Israel 678 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 10: being tied together. Is that appropriate in your mind? 679 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 6: I think these are separate issues that should be taken 680 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 6: up separately. There's already been what one hundred and twenty 681 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 6: five billion dollars sent to Ukraine. If people rightfully want 682 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 6: to know what's been done with that money, what are 683 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 6: the goals to? Where the goals? Should we give more money, 684 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 6: What will it be used for. They want to see metrics, 685 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 6: they want to see accountability. Israel is imminent right now 686 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 6: that we get something to support them, because we haven't 687 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 6: done any package to support Israel yet. Certainly they need 688 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 6: more equipment. They need iron dome interceptors, they need precision missiles. 689 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 6: So we need to do that, and that is important 690 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 6: with the border to ask them us for more money 691 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 6: to just continue paperwork instead of actually securing the border. 692 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 6: That should be a discussion because we've passed the Border 693 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 6: Security Act that would reinstate many of the policies of 694 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 6: the previous administration that was stemming the flow at the border, 695 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 6: was making sure we knew who was coming in and 696 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 6: out of our country and was doing it responsibly. We 697 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 6: need to be very concerned right now that we have 698 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 6: an open border and the fact that the Senate and 699 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 6: some of the Democrats and all the Democrats from the 700 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 6: House are not taking that seriously as a problem. When 701 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 6: we passed the Border Security Act, we're simply saying, look, 702 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 6: people should remain in the next safe country, not come 703 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 6: to the United States. That's what created this influx that 704 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 6: we're seeing. We also don't want people to be just 705 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 6: released into the interior without knowing where they're going or 706 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 6: where they'll be or if they're going to return for 707 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 6: their court dates. We need to add immigration judges to 708 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 6: hear these cases more swiftly determined who's a legitimate asylum 709 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 6: seeker from who is not. And we need to put 710 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 6: in place what Customs and Border Protection have been asking 711 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 6: us for technology, training, equipment. They've been asking us for 712 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 6: certain things, and unfortunately, I think I got disconnected here. Unfortunately, 713 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 6: we are in a situation where, you know, we need 714 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 6: to move forward and pass the border security look just 715 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 6: to make it clear for people. One point seven million 716 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 6: individuals have entered into our border, okay, and they are 717 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 6: unaccounted for. These are undetected individuals. It's what Customs and 718 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 6: Border Protection have estimated. This is an addition to the 719 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 6: five six million crossings that we've seen. One point seven 720 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 6: million individuals. We don't know who they are, where they are, 721 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 6: what their intentions are. They should be very concern and 722 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 6: considering what is happening in Israel right now. 723 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: All right, if you can still hear me, congresswomen, second, 724 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that you can. Let's see if we 725 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: can figure that out. 726 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 10: This is the Beauty of Life broadcasts. 727 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's actually happened to me on the air before Congressman, 728 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: I apologize that's that's happened to me as well. 729 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 7: On the air. 730 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: There's there's a it's a horrifying feeling. I just wanted 731 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 1: to better understand though your answer to Kaille's question, would 732 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: that bogged down? Then a supplemental request for Israeli funding? 733 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: Is that why you want to see that handled as 734 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: a separate matter. 735 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 6: You know, if you're gonna bring the border into this 736 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 6: and you're gonna bring Ukraine into us, there's a lot 737 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 6: of questions that members have, particularly we want to see 738 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 6: real border security and and we want to see some 739 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 6: of the policies that we've passed in our Border Security 740 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 6: Act enacted. So yeah, that could slow down support, you know, 741 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 6: and that's probably why the administration wants to insert it 742 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 6: in there, because they're trying to just get what they 743 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 6: want without having to answer questions from Members of Congress. 744 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 6: But we have checks and balances, we have oversight. We 745 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 6: have to hold this administration accountable for what they are 746 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 6: and not and are not doing, and so we want 747 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 6: to make sure that if there's going to be any 748 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 6: anything related to the border that we're gonna see serious 749 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 6: border security is stopped. This unsafe and unsustainable flow that 750 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 6: is affecting the entire nation, and my mayor is saying 751 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 6: is going to bankrupt and destroy New York City. 752 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: I've got one more for you, Congress someone. I know 753 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: this is difficult for you. If you're with us on YouTube, 754 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: you can see why and you can drop your earpiece 755 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: after I asked this question. And it has to do 756 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: with your drive to get flights out of Israel. If 757 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: we can get back to where we started here the 758 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: administration today, the State Department is talking about getting chartered 759 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 1: flights together. But you let a letter that was signed 760 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 1: on by more than one hundred, one hundred and forty 761 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: lawmakers to try to get New Yorkers and others out 762 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: of Israel who need access to that transportation. Where does 763 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: that stand? 764 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, so, well, it seems like the State Department has 765 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 6: been moving now and that this could begin as early 766 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 6: as tomorrow. What we've basically said, and it's a shame 767 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 6: that we're already on five days. Other countries, Germany, Poland, Mexico, Canada, 768 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 6: they've been there, they've been evacuating citizens, either via a 769 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 6: military aircraft or chartered commercial planes. We believe now that 770 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 6: we finally are hearing that the State Department is going 771 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 6: to start evacuating individuals via chartered planes as early as 772 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 6: tomorrow's or are waiting for that evacuation plan. I think 773 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 6: for those who have relatives, loved ones American citizens who 774 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 6: are in Israel who are trying to leave, I think 775 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 6: the most important thing they could do right now is 776 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 6: make sure they're registered with the State Department. They could 777 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 6: do it online. I've posted this information on my Facebook page. 778 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 6: People can get it off of there, and you should 779 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 6: call your member of Congress. I think that's really important 780 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 6: because my office has been working directly with constituents to 781 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 6: try to get them on charter flights through another means, 782 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 6: without the help unfortunately of the State Department, but through 783 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 6: a Congressman, Corey Mills, who's on the ground right now, 784 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 6: and we've been able to get either people to Jordan 785 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 6: or now we're working to try to get people to Cyprus. 786 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 6: But I'll say is it is important that you let 787 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 6: your congress member know if you are in Israel or 788 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 6: you have a loved one. An American citizen is an 789 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 6: in Israel, so that way they can help track and 790 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 6: expedite the situation and get them on the right path. 791 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: It's a really important message. I'm glad you could join us. Congresswoman, 792 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: thank you for spending some time with us today from 793 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill on what, of course, we know is a 794 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: very busy day. Nicole Malia Takis, Republican from New York. 795 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: Clearly going through a lot here, Kaylee, and frustrated at 796 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: the process involving the speaker or a lack. 797 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 10: Thereof Yeah, lack thereof being the state of play at 798 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 10: the moment show and it's very unclear at this time 799 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 10: how long we're going to stay that way is. It 800 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 10: feels like not a lot of progress has been made. 801 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 10: And you know, something that members did tell me has 802 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 10: been buzzing about. Byron Donald said a number of members 803 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 10: have brought this up, even though he doesn't necessarily agree 804 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 10: with it, is empowering Patrick McHenry, Speaker pro Tem, to 805 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 10: do more in the internet. 806 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: We've been talking about that since the beginning. We may 807 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: start talking about that a lot more again, as yesterday's 808 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: breakthrough doesn't feel like so much of a break through 809 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: at this point. Pretty interesting though, Kaylee she said she 810 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: was still open to a speaker, Kevin McCarthy. 811 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 10: Yeah, we'll see if that actually has to become a 812 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 10: reality potentially. 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