WEBVTT - Slow Walk to Fascism 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.360 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to will Gate FP Daily 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:19.920 with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:25.960 you know, there has been so much legal news that 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.840 has come up over the past couple of weeks as 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:33.160 it pertains to Donald Trump, the continuation of the investigation 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:39.159 into January sixth, and you know, all of the fraud 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.479 that the Trump family and organization has been a party 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:48.879 two four decades plus. Now every week I do some 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.360 type of TikTok video and if you're not following me 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:55.200 on TikTok, you should. Danielle Moody underscore is my name 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:59.120 on there? And I do a video. And when I 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:04.040 do a video, people oftentimes in the comments section are like, 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.800 when the fuck is Donald Trump going to be indicted? 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.120 When the fuck is Donald Trump going to be arrested? 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.600 How were we going to pretend that we are a 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.640 nation of laws when it is evident that if you 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.479 have the right melanin or lack thereof, if you have 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.240 the right bank account with the right amount of zeros 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.479 or can lie about it, and if you have connections 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.600 to power, then the laws don't apply to you. How 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:34.440 do we expect to continue in this way, when we 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.880 know that members of the Republican Party should absolutely have 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.080 been indicted and be in jail by now and have 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.600 had a trial. That we know that there is a 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:49.720 mount everest's worth of criminal offenses that Donald Trump has committed. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.240 But because he was a former president of the United States, 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.480 and also the only reason why he ran to be 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.520 president of the United States wasn't because he gave a 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.520 fuck about this country or had any ideas about how 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.400 to usher us into the future. It was a cover, right, 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.360 like everything else in his life was a fucking cover, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.920 because so long as he was president of the United States, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.960 he would have access to pertinent information that he could 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:19.079 sell to the highest fucking bidder, hence enter in classified 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:23.680 informations or the empty folders that once read classified, and 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.960 that he knew that he would be able to weaponize 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.000 to the Department of Justice to go after his enemies 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:33.520 or protect his quote unquote friends. We know all of this, right, 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.680 but yet Donald Trump continues to walk free. There are 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:43.000 only two people, two women, black women, who are the 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.720 ones that are standing between Donald Trump and either bankruptcy 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:53.120 are possibly criminal charges, and that is Fannie Willis in Georgia, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:58.520 and Tish James in New York. So coming up, I 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.359 am in conversation one again with Adrian Lawrence, who is 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.480 the host of the Young Turks is Overruled and the 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.360 author of Staying in the Game, the playbook for beating 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.800 workplace sexual Harassment, and Adrian I will get into a 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:18.320 conversation about where we actually think all of this is headed. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.920 Because friends, you know, you know that we talk every 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.440 week with our friend Glenn Kirshner, who walks us through 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.600 and unpacks a lot of the bullshit that we see. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:34.120 And you know that Glenn, like Adrian, is very even minded, right, 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.880 Like these are attorneys, they understand the rule of law. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.160 They are measured right in terms of their approach to things. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.600 But in this conversation with Adrian and past conversations with Glenn, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.320 they too are reaching their limit for bullshit. They too 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.800 are getting to a place where it's like, how much 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:57.560 more evidence do we need to see before us before 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.080 we recognize that the only reason that Trump isn't in 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.360 prison right now, the only reason why we haven't seen 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.440 a series of indictments is out of political fear. How 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.360 will it look? And my question is why aren't they 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:17.120 asking or concerned about how their in action actually looks, 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:22.480 because I really don't care anymore about these investigations. I mean, 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:28.760 I appreciate the fact that Tish James has been extraordinarily diligent. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.880 And why is that, Well, we can add race, and 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.000 we can add gender to the reasons why her and 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.600 Fannie Willis need to make sure that every fucking t 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.600 is crossed and every eye is dotted, because we know 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.240 that their work is going to be examined under a 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.000 level of scrutiny that no white man would ever be under. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.960 But so where is the white man that actually does 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.600 wield all of the power of the justice system in 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.200 this fucking country paging Merrit Garland. I'm so sick and 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.840 tired of hearing about how Merritt Garland is, you know, 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.279 a more conservative prosecutor, that he's more timid in this, 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.440 that and the other thing. And I keep asking myself, 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.760 why the fuck out of all of the people that 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.080 could have been chosen for Attorney General that Joe Biden 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.680 could have chosen, why was it him? Why was it 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.360 this man that slow walks every goddamn thing? Because I 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:27.520 feel if we had had a Sally Yates, right, if 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.400 you would have brought back, you know, any number of 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.599 ages that had served under previous administrations that we would 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.960 have seen indictments by now, and not because those people 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.760 are reckless right in terms of how they work, but 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.400 that they are certain that the longer this takes, the 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:50.719 more that Americans lose faith in our systems, which is 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.840 what the Republican Party and Donald Trump want because if 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.080 you lose faith in agencies, if you lose faith in systems, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:06.120 right then you begin to detach. And what happens during 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.680 that time then you say, well, we need a strong 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:13.080 man in order to fix this, and in walks fascism, 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:19.000 in walks a dictatorship. That's what they're banking on. So 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:23.640 this slow walk is serving no one, is serving no one, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.240 not in this country where the temperature is at a 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:30.680 fucking boiling point and doesn't show any signs of stopping 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:37.400 anytime soon. So I get into this conversation with Adrian Lawrence, 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:42.080 host of Overruled on The Young Turk's network, about how 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:48.120 she thinks this series of lawsuits are going to end 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:52.480 up for Trump and company. 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Adrian, you, like me, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.480 have been in the tweets with regard to every new 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:51.440 Day delivers us yet another Trump lawsuit delivers us more 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.880 legal news that I'm sure has Morilago looked like it 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.400 was made out of Heinz ketchup with the amount that 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.400 is being own against the wall there. Last week was 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.680 a huge week. We had Tiss James in New York 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.280 laying out for not only New Yorkers but the country 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.520 the fact that she believes that the Trumps run essentially 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:21.480 a crime organization and that they've been defrauding the public 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.320 for a well over a decade. You have more news 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.280 with regard to Judge Derry, the Special Master, who was 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.200 chosen by the Trump attorneys and agreed to by the 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:37.240 Department of Justice, who is not playing games with Donald Trump. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:41.280 He is no Judge Cannon. Then you had decisions coming 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.040 from the Eleventh Circuit Court, who also like Judge Derry, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.080 Republicans three, you know, three out of two out of 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.280 the three that were appointed to hear the case, our 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:58.760 Trump appointees, who basically said that Judge Cannon doesn't really 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.679 know what she's doing to my legal interpretation, because I 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.960 don't have a law degree, I just watch Law and Order, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.280 Adrian help us make sense of all of this legal nonsense. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.480 I don't even know where to begin. I guess let's 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.280 start with the Special Master and go from there. All right, Well, 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.800 thank you so much for having me, Danielle. Yes, I 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.560 very much understand kind of the feeling of where do 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.600 I start. Given how many lawsuits and potential criminal actions 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.920 are pending against Donald Trump, there is a lot going 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.080 on when it comes to the Special Master. I think 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.800 that Donald Trump and his legal team didn't necessarily anticipate 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.440 that Judge Derry would be as on point as he is. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.760 He may have been a Reagan appointee, but he has 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.840 been on the bench for a very long time, and 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.240 he is not going to mess up his legacy doing 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.840 anything like Judge Eileen Cannon did down in Florida when 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.080 she granted the request of a special Master. I mean, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:58.120 let me ask you, this did Judge Eileen Cannon. Her decisions, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:03.600 even her written fee back, seem to have Donald Trump 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.920 in a whole different level and space in terms of 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.160 the eyes of the law. She was concerned about his 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.840 reputational damage. She was concerned essentially with the decision to 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.120 have a special master. That frankly, I guess maybe the 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.960 FBI and the Department of Justice were lying and may 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:27.199 have planted evidence as unsubstantiated from the Trump team. This 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.800 is just you know, rhetoric out in the Twitter verse 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.960 which Donald Trump can't be on. So in truth, social 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:38.920 I guess what do you make of Judge Cannon's decisions 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.680 and how we got essentially to this place with Judge 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:47.559 Jury and with the Eleventh Circuit. So I can say 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.520 this when it comes to being a judge, I clerk 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.559 for a judge of the Chief Judge of the DC 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.040 Court of Appeals right out of law school, so I 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.439 have an inside look on how judges operate and how 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.880 they do business. And that was a very fortunate experience 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.800 that I had. I also do know that Judge Eilan 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.400 Cannon also clerked for an appellate court judge of the 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.000 A Circuit. She is no dummy. She is extremely smart 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.800 and able to apply the law and applying the facts 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.920 and coming out with something that should recognize our legal 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.320 system and respect precedent. Where she went in this opinion 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.280 is completely and totally out of pocket, and I think 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.280 just about every legal analyst has said that, and now 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.760 we have the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals saying that 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.400 on record. You have to wonder what is going on here, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.880 because generally, if a judge post an opinion that doesn't 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.120 go the way you think, at least the path that 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.120 they got there would be one that is somewhat somewhat 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.840 substantiated by the facts, by the analysis. In this case, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.680 Judge Eilan Cannon, I do not know where she was going, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:55.080 but where she ended up it's completely incongruent. It really 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:59.600 does make you wonder if this is why judges need 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.760 to be peached at the federal level in order to 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.960 be booted out of off the bench. And that is 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.800 something that I think needs to be considered in this situation. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.400 Because it is completely and totally unfathomable that Eileen Cannon, 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.040 who was appointed by Trump, would have come to this 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:19.440 conclusion as a jurist of the court and had any 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:24.400 sense our semblance of justice. It's completely and totally not possible. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.800 So I really do hope that the powers that be 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.920 are doing whatever they need to do to take a 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.000 good look at this individual and whether they are fit 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:37.280 to serve. You know, that's such a good question that 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:42.040 you bring up, because one, I'm very leery of these 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.080 lifetime appointments that we appoint somebody at the age of 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.560 thirty five, forty five, fifty five, and literally this is 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.440 going to be the last job that they have that 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:55.280 somehow they literally are above the law, They sit above 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.960 the rest of us, and there is no way, I 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:04.079 mean other outside of I guess Adrian like launching an investigation. 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:11.160 What would be the pathway to finding out exactly why 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.080 Judge Cannon would make these decisions in the way that 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.280 she did. And usually when you appeal to the higher court, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:24.560 they don't smack up the lower court's decision. They find 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.400 a way to be very thoughtful in terms of how 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.840 they are deciding. But with the Eleventh Circuit Court. They 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:36.440 didn't do that with Judge Cannon. They were very blatant, 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.240 without you needing a law degree in terms of the 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.640 language that they used, that they didn't understand her decision 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:49.760 making process and were concerned about it. Yeah. Absolutely, they 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.760 were not necessarily deferential or kind. They kicked her in 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.760 her teeth, and for good reason. The fact is that 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.080 the law, the facts, it was not supported here and 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.960 how Cannon came to the conclusion she came to it 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:06.120 makes it definitely, without a doubt, seemed to appear that 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:11.800 she was, let's say, she was derelict of her duty 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.320 to be an impersonal artiker of the law and decided 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:19.720 to find any which avenue she could uplift Donald Trump. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.000 And given the circumstances, given that Donald Trump appointed her, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.840 it is extraordinarily problematic. And it does make a number 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.800 of members of the judiciary look also potentially problematic because 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.400 they were Trump appointees. And so I think it was 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.280 very strong for the Eleventh Circuit to come together in 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:41.040 their procurium decision as an anonymous all three or anonymous 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.760 as in they're all operating together. Excuse me, but having 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.520 all three judges two being Trump appointed judges. You've noted 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.320 one being a democratic appointed judges. They all have different philosophies, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.560 they all have different outlooks, they have different politics, but 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.160 they all managed to come together to say Eileen Cannon's 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.280 opinion is junk. And that's exactly what they needed to do, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.440 because it is the truth, it is facts. And if 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.120 we continue to have a judiciary that does not respect 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.600 precedent or the law, what we're going to have is 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.640 an all out fascist system, and that's exactly what we 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.600 want to avoid. You know, it is really terrifying because 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.000 I was honestly crossing my fingers and toes when we 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.720 knew that this decision was going to be kicked up 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.880 to the eleventh Circuit because I'm just like Donald Trump 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.520 and Mitch McConnell installed over three hundred federal judges across 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:34.080 this country in his short four year term, and so 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:38.880 these are all lifetime appointments. And you brought up, you know, 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.120 Judge Deary caring about his legacy, and like you said, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.920 you have insight because you could clerk for judges like 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.280 I guess I want to ask you this, do they 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.120 really care about their legacy? What are you? What is 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.880 your opinion of how our courts are kind of stacked 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.560 at this moment, and are these people thinking further than 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:04.000 about who appointed that. Yeah, I think it really depends 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.640 on the individual. Are they an individual of character and integrity, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.040 because I think those people they do care and they 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.720 also care about the law. And we are seeing a 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.639 number of Republicans take that stance because they know the 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.560 difference between democracy and fascism and they do not want 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.480 to enter the world of fascism. They want to win fair, 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:24.080 shall we say, or at least win with minimal intervention 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.399 when it comes to unfairness. And then there are people 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.960 completely on the other side who they just wanted to 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.760 be elevated, to have a federal appointment, be able to 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.120 serve for life. So essentially it makes it very difficult 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.040 to get rid of them, and they're going to abuse 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.639 their positions of power and hopefully and their eyes be 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.400 able to pommel horse it into something else that might 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.720 be very lucrative and helpful for them. I think that 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.119 the problem with this whole situation is that now we 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.439 have a judiciary that's wholly undermined. We have a Supreme 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:59.160 Court that's been backed up by illegitimate judges, and so 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.080 a lot of our country, a lot of our nation 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.159 really does not feel that justice and democracy is something 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.359 that is capable of being produced at this time, given 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.440 the members of j Judiciary like Eileen Cannon. Does it 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:20.400 really does our public opinion, Adrian, though, really matter when 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.800 it comes to the Supreme Court and our feelings about 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.080 what it is that they're doing, you know, justice John 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.399 Roberts said, you know, you may not like what it 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.040 is that how it is that we're deciding the you know, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.320 our decisions, but that doesn't mean that we're illegitimate. And 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.639 I said, well, that's not the reason why the public 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.399 thinks that you're illegitimate. It isn't because we don't like 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.640 the decisions that are coming out. We're saying that you're 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.560 throwing out precedent. And if precedent doesn't matter, then what 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:56.280 does so does public opinion in the grand scheme of 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.000 where we are right now? I just saw CNN will 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:03.280 be doing a huge report on the Supreme Court and 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.080 calling it supreme power. Does it matter what we think? 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.879 I'd like to think it matters, but to some extent, 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.720 and I guess to a large extent, it doesn't. You know, 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.919 they saw clearly, the justices saw that they have Congress 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.080 behind them, as Congress quickly stepped up to provided added 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.920 protection for the justices after the dab's opinion reversing Roe v. 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.400 Wade came out, and they feel like they are impenetrable. 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.480 They sit up on this mount and they make these 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.800 rulings despite being oftentimes out of touch with society and 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.800 with individual's needs. The thing that a lot of members 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.439 of the GOP and the right would say is that 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.080 this is exactly how they felt when it was Roe v. 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.159 Wade or Miranda v. Arizona, when you had things coming 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.240 out of the court and Earl Warren being the chief 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.760 judge at the time, reversing a lot of inequities and 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.600 essentially throwing precedent to the wind because he was doing 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.880 what was right under the law and also what further 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:02.000 in advance our society and truly reflected it. And those 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.520 advancements in societal change were great for our country. But 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.879 then you saw a lot of people, particularly white people, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.000 responding in very adverse ways, particularly to brown b bored 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.000 and whatnot, in the end ending up with deterioration of 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.560 our educational system. So it's very difficult to say that 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.280 what the public thinks necessarily matters. But I can tell 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.479 you that what the oppressed think should matter, because those 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.080 are the people that the justices should be looking to 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.760 protect the most, because their voices are often the ones 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.360 that are muddled and that are quieted. And so there 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:37.320 are justices up there who recognize that, and they're actually 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.600 applying the law, and they're following the steps, and they're 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.919 doing exactly what they should do. Shout out to sodomyor 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.359 But the rest of them are up there feeding their egos, 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.000 really pushing toward this society that is not reflective of 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.400 what the people want, and they are willing to trample 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.600 and basardize precedent to get there, you know, just staying 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:00.479 with the Supreme Court for one moment. Jinny Thomas is 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:06.280 the wife of Clarence Thomas. As many people know, I've 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.760 spoken about her at nauseam on this show. Um. She 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.320 is getting ready or supposed to testify before the January 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:18.160 sixth committee. Somebody made a really interesting point the other 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.119 day and said, I don't know the name of any 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:25.440 other Supreme Court justices spouse. I've never known the names 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:32.119 of any Supreme Court justices, spouses or partners. Is Clarence 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:37.199 Thomas and Jinny Thomas in your mind? Are they do? 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.040 Are we to believe that they there is some type 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:45.159 of separation inside of their of their household, that Jinny 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:50.879 Thomas isn't being treated with deference because of being part 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.719 of the Washington elite like it's Clarence. Are we just 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.960 supposed to believe that Clarence Thomas didn't need to recuse 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.880 himself from cases? Like what do you make of this 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:07.280 saga inside of the Supreme Court with the Thomas's. Yes, 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.840 the situation with the Thomas's, I think, in large part 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:14.440 is contributing to the undermining of the court and its legitimacy. 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:17.159 Without a doubt, there is no separation. Get out of here. 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:18.920 It's like, that's why it's husband and wife. And that's 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.879 also why the law recognizes a marital privilege. So the 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:23.679 things that you say to your spouse, you don't have 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.960 to testify against them. They are protected because of the 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.480 sanctity of that relationship. So you can't tell me that 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.880 as a couple, Jenny and Clarence Thomas are not out 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:38.320 here sharing scorecards, sharing Intel's contacts, people that they know 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.160 and also being able to open various doors for each 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:45.480 other to advance their agenda of creating a society that 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.400 is not reflective of the one in which the vast 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.000 majority of people in the United States seek out and 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:53.200 by virtue of the fact that they are still being 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.960 treated with kid gloves. That Jenny Thomas is being invited 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.919 to Congress as those who were invited to brunch is 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.879 also part of the problem, because we are supposed to 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.399 be a society where everyone is treated fair and equally. 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.359 In what we had was an attempt at a coup 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.160 to completely overthrow our government, and this woman clearly played 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:13.480 a role in that. So to treat her like again 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.440 you're inviting her to brunch, that speaks to the fact 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.840 that we have injustice built into our system. And it 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.880 also undermines what our members of Congress and the one 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.280 six committees say is they're imperative to get to the truth, 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.560 the thought that they need to adhere to some sense 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.960 of decency and decorum, and to give her the respect 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.439 she deserves because she's the wife of a Supreme Court justice. 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:37.560 Get out of here, m M. I couldn't have said 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.600 about it myself, you know, Adrian. It is not lost 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.040 on me that the two people who are out front 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:49.600 potentially holding Donald Trump accountable, whether it be his crimes 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:53.560 of fraud, whether it be him trying to undermine the election, 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.679 are two extraordinary black women. It is. It is not 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:02.199 lost on me that is Fannie Willis and Tish James 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.600 that are out there that are holding this wealthy, white, 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:10.520 privileged man trying to hold him accountable. What do you 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:15.760 make of how they are being perceived in the media 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:19.080 about how they have been driving force each of their 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:23.800 individual investigations. How has that been landing for you, and 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:26.080 how do you think that it's landing with the public. 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:29.800 So I would say when it comes to members of 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.520 the GOP and the far right, of course it's massogyn 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:36.520 no war for days. They're going after both Willis and 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.840 James in any way possible that undermines their work or 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.800 makes them seem like they are not being impartial or 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:46.200 not following or abiding by or pursuing justice in the law. 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.400 But at the same time as well, I am actually seeing, 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.159