1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to will Gate FP Daily 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, there has been so much legal news that 4 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: has come up over the past couple of weeks as 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: it pertains to Donald Trump, the continuation of the investigation 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: into January sixth, and you know, all of the fraud 7 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: that the Trump family and organization has been a party 8 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: two four decades plus. Now every week I do some 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: type of TikTok video and if you're not following me 10 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: on TikTok, you should. Danielle Moody underscore is my name 11 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: on there? And I do a video. And when I 12 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: do a video, people oftentimes in the comments section are like, 13 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: when the fuck is Donald Trump going to be indicted? 14 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: When the fuck is Donald Trump going to be arrested? 15 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: How were we going to pretend that we are a 16 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: nation of laws when it is evident that if you 17 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: have the right melanin or lack thereof, if you have 18 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: the right bank account with the right amount of zeros 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: or can lie about it, and if you have connections 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: to power, then the laws don't apply to you. How 21 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: do we expect to continue in this way, when we 22 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: know that members of the Republican Party should absolutely have 23 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: been indicted and be in jail by now and have 24 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: had a trial. That we know that there is a 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: mount everest's worth of criminal offenses that Donald Trump has committed. 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: But because he was a former president of the United States, 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: and also the only reason why he ran to be 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: president of the United States wasn't because he gave a 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: fuck about this country or had any ideas about how 30 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: to usher us into the future. It was a cover, right, 31 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: like everything else in his life was a fucking cover, 32 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: because so long as he was president of the United States, 33 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: he would have access to pertinent information that he could 34 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: sell to the highest fucking bidder, hence enter in classified 35 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: informations or the empty folders that once read classified, and 36 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: that he knew that he would be able to weaponize 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: to the Department of Justice to go after his enemies 38 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: or protect his quote unquote friends. We know all of this, right, 39 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: but yet Donald Trump continues to walk free. There are 40 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: only two people, two women, black women, who are the 41 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: ones that are standing between Donald Trump and either bankruptcy 42 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: are possibly criminal charges, and that is Fannie Willis in Georgia, 43 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: and Tish James in New York. So coming up, I 44 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: am in conversation one again with Adrian Lawrence, who is 45 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: the host of the Young Turks is Overruled and the 46 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: author of Staying in the Game, the playbook for beating 47 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: workplace sexual Harassment, and Adrian I will get into a 48 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: conversation about where we actually think all of this is headed. 49 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: Because friends, you know, you know that we talk every 50 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: week with our friend Glenn Kirshner, who walks us through 51 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: and unpacks a lot of the bullshit that we see. 52 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: And you know that Glenn, like Adrian, is very even minded, right, 53 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Like these are attorneys, they understand the rule of law. 54 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: They are measured right in terms of their approach to things. 55 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: But in this conversation with Adrian and past conversations with Glenn, 56 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: they too are reaching their limit for bullshit. They too 57 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: are getting to a place where it's like, how much 58 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: more evidence do we need to see before us before 59 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: we recognize that the only reason that Trump isn't in 60 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: prison right now, the only reason why we haven't seen 61 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: a series of indictments is out of political fear. How 62 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: will it look? And my question is why aren't they 63 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: asking or concerned about how their in action actually looks, 64 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: because I really don't care anymore about these investigations. I mean, 65 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate the fact that Tish James has been extraordinarily diligent. 66 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: And why is that, Well, we can add race, and 67 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: we can add gender to the reasons why her and 68 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: Fannie Willis need to make sure that every fucking t 69 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: is crossed and every eye is dotted, because we know 70 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: that their work is going to be examined under a 71 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: level of scrutiny that no white man would ever be under. 72 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: But so where is the white man that actually does 73 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: wield all of the power of the justice system in 74 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: this fucking country paging Merrit Garland. I'm so sick and 75 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: tired of hearing about how Merritt Garland is, you know, 76 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: a more conservative prosecutor, that he's more timid in this, 77 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: that and the other thing. And I keep asking myself, 78 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: why the fuck out of all of the people that 79 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: could have been chosen for Attorney General that Joe Biden 80 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: could have chosen, why was it him? Why was it 81 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: this man that slow walks every goddamn thing? Because I 82 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: feel if we had had a Sally Yates, right, if 83 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: you would have brought back, you know, any number of 84 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: ages that had served under previous administrations that we would 85 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: have seen indictments by now, and not because those people 86 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: are reckless right in terms of how they work, but 87 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: that they are certain that the longer this takes, the 88 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: more that Americans lose faith in our systems, which is 89 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: what the Republican Party and Donald Trump want because if 90 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: you lose faith in agencies, if you lose faith in systems, 91 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: right then you begin to detach. And what happens during 92 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: that time then you say, well, we need a strong 93 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: man in order to fix this, and in walks fascism, 94 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: in walks a dictatorship. That's what they're banking on. So 95 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: this slow walk is serving no one, is serving no one, 96 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: not in this country where the temperature is at a 97 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: fucking boiling point and doesn't show any signs of stopping 98 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: anytime soon. So I get into this conversation with Adrian Lawrence, 99 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: host of Overruled on The Young Turk's network, about how 100 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: she thinks this series of lawsuits are going to end 101 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: up for Trump and company. 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Adrian, you, like me, 130 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: have been in the tweets with regard to every new 131 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: Day delivers us yet another Trump lawsuit delivers us more 132 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: legal news that I'm sure has Morilago looked like it 133 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: was made out of Heinz ketchup with the amount that 134 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: is being own against the wall there. Last week was 135 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: a huge week. We had Tiss James in New York 136 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: laying out for not only New Yorkers but the country 137 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: the fact that she believes that the Trumps run essentially 138 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: a crime organization and that they've been defrauding the public 139 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: for a well over a decade. You have more news 140 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: with regard to Judge Derry, the Special Master, who was 141 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: chosen by the Trump attorneys and agreed to by the 142 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Department of Justice, who is not playing games with Donald Trump. 143 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: He is no Judge Cannon. Then you had decisions coming 144 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: from the Eleventh Circuit Court, who also like Judge Derry, 145 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: Republicans three, you know, three out of two out of 146 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: the three that were appointed to hear the case, our 147 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: Trump appointees, who basically said that Judge Cannon doesn't really 148 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: know what she's doing to my legal interpretation, because I 149 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: don't have a law degree, I just watch Law and Order, 150 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: Adrian help us make sense of all of this legal nonsense. 151 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: I don't even know where to begin. I guess let's 152 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: start with the Special Master and go from there. All right, Well, 153 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me, Danielle. Yes, I 154 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: very much understand kind of the feeling of where do 155 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: I start. Given how many lawsuits and potential criminal actions 156 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: are pending against Donald Trump, there is a lot going 157 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: on when it comes to the Special Master. I think 158 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump and his legal team didn't necessarily anticipate 159 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: that Judge Derry would be as on point as he is. 160 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: He may have been a Reagan appointee, but he has 161 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: been on the bench for a very long time, and 162 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: he is not going to mess up his legacy doing 163 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: anything like Judge Eileen Cannon did down in Florida when 164 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: she granted the request of a special Master. I mean, 165 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: let me ask you, this did Judge Eileen Cannon. Her decisions, 166 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: even her written fee back, seem to have Donald Trump 167 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: in a whole different level and space in terms of 168 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: the eyes of the law. She was concerned about his 169 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: reputational damage. She was concerned essentially with the decision to 170 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: have a special master. That frankly, I guess maybe the 171 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: FBI and the Department of Justice were lying and may 172 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: have planted evidence as unsubstantiated from the Trump team. This 173 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: is just you know, rhetoric out in the Twitter verse 174 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: which Donald Trump can't be on. So in truth, social 175 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: I guess what do you make of Judge Cannon's decisions 176 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: and how we got essentially to this place with Judge 177 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: Jury and with the Eleventh Circuit. So I can say 178 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: this when it comes to being a judge, I clerk 179 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: for a judge of the Chief Judge of the DC 180 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals right out of law school, so I 181 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: have an inside look on how judges operate and how 182 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: they do business. And that was a very fortunate experience 183 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: that I had. I also do know that Judge Eilan 184 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: Cannon also clerked for an appellate court judge of the 185 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: A Circuit. She is no dummy. She is extremely smart 186 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: and able to apply the law and applying the facts 187 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: and coming out with something that should recognize our legal 188 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: system and respect precedent. Where she went in this opinion 189 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: is completely and totally out of pocket, and I think 190 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: just about every legal analyst has said that, and now 191 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: we have the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals saying that 192 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: on record. You have to wonder what is going on here, 193 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: because generally, if a judge post an opinion that doesn't 194 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: go the way you think, at least the path that 195 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: they got there would be one that is somewhat somewhat 196 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: substantiated by the facts, by the analysis. In this case, 197 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: Judge Eilan Cannon, I do not know where she was going, 198 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: but where she ended up it's completely incongruent. It really 199 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: does make you wonder if this is why judges need 200 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: to be peached at the federal level in order to 201 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: be booted out of off the bench. And that is 202 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: something that I think needs to be considered in this situation. 203 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: Because it is completely and totally unfathomable that Eileen Cannon, 204 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: who was appointed by Trump, would have come to this 205 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: conclusion as a jurist of the court and had any 206 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: sense our semblance of justice. It's completely and totally not possible. 207 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: So I really do hope that the powers that be 208 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: are doing whatever they need to do to take a 209 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: good look at this individual and whether they are fit 210 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: to serve. You know, that's such a good question that 211 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: you bring up, because one, I'm very leery of these 212 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: lifetime appointments that we appoint somebody at the age of 213 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: thirty five, forty five, fifty five, and literally this is 214 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: going to be the last job that they have that 215 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: somehow they literally are above the law, They sit above 216 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: the rest of us, and there is no way, I 217 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: mean other outside of I guess Adrian like launching an investigation. 218 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: What would be the pathway to finding out exactly why 219 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: Judge Cannon would make these decisions in the way that 220 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: she did. And usually when you appeal to the higher court, 221 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: they don't smack up the lower court's decision. They find 222 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: a way to be very thoughtful in terms of how 223 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: they are deciding. But with the Eleventh Circuit Court. They 224 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: didn't do that with Judge Cannon. They were very blatant, 225 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: without you needing a law degree in terms of the 226 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: language that they used, that they didn't understand her decision 227 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: making process and were concerned about it. Yeah. Absolutely, they 228 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: were not necessarily deferential or kind. They kicked her in 229 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: her teeth, and for good reason. The fact is that 230 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: the law, the facts, it was not supported here and 231 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: how Cannon came to the conclusion she came to it 232 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: makes it definitely, without a doubt, seemed to appear that 233 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: she was, let's say, she was derelict of her duty 234 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: to be an impersonal artiker of the law and decided 235 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: to find any which avenue she could uplift Donald Trump. 236 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: And given the circumstances, given that Donald Trump appointed her, 237 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: it is extraordinarily problematic. And it does make a number 238 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: of members of the judiciary look also potentially problematic because 239 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: they were Trump appointees. And so I think it was 240 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: very strong for the Eleventh Circuit to come together in 241 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: their procurium decision as an anonymous all three or anonymous 242 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: as in they're all operating together. Excuse me, but having 243 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: all three judges two being Trump appointed judges. You've noted 244 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: one being a democratic appointed judges. They all have different philosophies, 245 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: they all have different outlooks, they have different politics, but 246 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: they all managed to come together to say Eileen Cannon's 247 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: opinion is junk. And that's exactly what they needed to do, 248 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: because it is the truth, it is facts. And if 249 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: we continue to have a judiciary that does not respect 250 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: precedent or the law, what we're going to have is 251 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: an all out fascist system, and that's exactly what we 252 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: want to avoid. You know, it is really terrifying because 253 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: I was honestly crossing my fingers and toes when we 254 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: knew that this decision was going to be kicked up 255 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: to the eleventh Circuit because I'm just like Donald Trump 256 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: and Mitch McConnell installed over three hundred federal judges across 257 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: this country in his short four year term, and so 258 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: these are all lifetime appointments. And you brought up, you know, 259 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: Judge Deary caring about his legacy, and like you said, 260 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: you have insight because you could clerk for judges like 261 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: I guess I want to ask you this, do they 262 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: really care about their legacy? What are you? What is 263 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: your opinion of how our courts are kind of stacked 264 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: at this moment, and are these people thinking further than 265 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: about who appointed that. Yeah, I think it really depends 266 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: on the individual. Are they an individual of character and integrity, 267 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: because I think those people they do care and they 268 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: also care about the law. And we are seeing a 269 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: number of Republicans take that stance because they know the 270 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: difference between democracy and fascism and they do not want 271 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: to enter the world of fascism. They want to win fair, 272 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: shall we say, or at least win with minimal intervention 273 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: when it comes to unfairness. And then there are people 274 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: completely on the other side who they just wanted to 275 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: be elevated, to have a federal appointment, be able to 276 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: serve for life. So essentially it makes it very difficult 277 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: to get rid of them, and they're going to abuse 278 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: their positions of power and hopefully and their eyes be 279 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: able to pommel horse it into something else that might 280 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: be very lucrative and helpful for them. I think that 281 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: the problem with this whole situation is that now we 282 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: have a judiciary that's wholly undermined. We have a Supreme 283 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: Court that's been backed up by illegitimate judges, and so 284 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: a lot of our country, a lot of our nation 285 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: really does not feel that justice and democracy is something 286 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: that is capable of being produced at this time, given 287 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: the members of j Judiciary like Eileen Cannon. Does it 288 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: really does our public opinion, Adrian, though, really matter when 289 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: it comes to the Supreme Court and our feelings about 290 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: what it is that they're doing, you know, justice John 291 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: Roberts said, you know, you may not like what it 292 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: is that how it is that we're deciding the you know, 293 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: our decisions, but that doesn't mean that we're illegitimate. And 294 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: I said, well, that's not the reason why the public 295 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: thinks that you're illegitimate. It isn't because we don't like 296 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: the decisions that are coming out. We're saying that you're 297 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: throwing out precedent. And if precedent doesn't matter, then what 298 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: does so does public opinion in the grand scheme of 299 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: where we are right now? I just saw CNN will 300 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: be doing a huge report on the Supreme Court and 301 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: calling it supreme power. Does it matter what we think? 302 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: I'd like to think it matters, but to some extent, 303 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: and I guess to a large extent, it doesn't. You know, 304 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: they saw clearly, the justices saw that they have Congress 305 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: behind them, as Congress quickly stepped up to provided added 306 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: protection for the justices after the dab's opinion reversing Roe v. 307 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: Wade came out, and they feel like they are impenetrable. 308 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: They sit up on this mount and they make these 309 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: rulings despite being oftentimes out of touch with society and 310 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: with individual's needs. The thing that a lot of members 311 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: of the GOP and the right would say is that 312 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: this is exactly how they felt when it was Roe v. 313 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: Wade or Miranda v. Arizona, when you had things coming 314 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: out of the court and Earl Warren being the chief 315 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: judge at the time, reversing a lot of inequities and 316 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: essentially throwing precedent to the wind because he was doing 317 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: what was right under the law and also what further 318 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: in advance our society and truly reflected it. And those 319 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: advancements in societal change were great for our country. But 320 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: then you saw a lot of people, particularly white people, 321 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: responding in very adverse ways, particularly to brown b bored 322 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: and whatnot, in the end ending up with deterioration of 323 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: our educational system. So it's very difficult to say that 324 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: what the public thinks necessarily matters. But I can tell 325 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: you that what the oppressed think should matter, because those 326 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: are the people that the justices should be looking to 327 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: protect the most, because their voices are often the ones 328 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: that are muddled and that are quieted. And so there 329 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: are justices up there who recognize that, and they're actually 330 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: applying the law, and they're following the steps, and they're 331 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: doing exactly what they should do. Shout out to sodomyor 332 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: But the rest of them are up there feeding their egos, 333 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: really pushing toward this society that is not reflective of 334 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: what the people want, and they are willing to trample 335 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: and basardize precedent to get there, you know, just staying 336 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: with the Supreme Court for one moment. Jinny Thomas is 337 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: the wife of Clarence Thomas. As many people know, I've 338 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: spoken about her at nauseam on this show. Um. She 339 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: is getting ready or supposed to testify before the January 340 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: sixth committee. Somebody made a really interesting point the other 341 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: day and said, I don't know the name of any 342 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: other Supreme Court justices spouse. I've never known the names 343 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: of any Supreme Court justices, spouses or partners. Is Clarence 344 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: Thomas and Jinny Thomas in your mind? Are they do? 345 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: Are we to believe that they there is some type 346 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: of separation inside of their of their household, that Jinny 347 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: Thomas isn't being treated with deference because of being part 348 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: of the Washington elite like it's Clarence. Are we just 349 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: supposed to believe that Clarence Thomas didn't need to recuse 350 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: himself from cases? Like what do you make of this 351 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: saga inside of the Supreme Court with the Thomas's. Yes, 352 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: the situation with the Thomas's, I think, in large part 353 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: is contributing to the undermining of the court and its legitimacy. 354 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: Without a doubt, there is no separation. Get out of here. 355 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: It's like, that's why it's husband and wife. And that's 356 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: also why the law recognizes a marital privilege. So the 357 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: things that you say to your spouse, you don't have 358 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: to testify against them. They are protected because of the 359 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: sanctity of that relationship. So you can't tell me that 360 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: as a couple, Jenny and Clarence Thomas are not out 361 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: here sharing scorecards, sharing Intel's contacts, people that they know 362 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: and also being able to open various doors for each 363 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: other to advance their agenda of creating a society that 364 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: is not reflective of the one in which the vast 365 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: majority of people in the United States seek out and 366 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: by virtue of the fact that they are still being 367 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: treated with kid gloves. That Jenny Thomas is being invited 368 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: to Congress as those who were invited to brunch is 369 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: also part of the problem, because we are supposed to 370 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: be a society where everyone is treated fair and equally. 371 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: In what we had was an attempt at a coup 372 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: to completely overthrow our government, and this woman clearly played 373 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: a role in that. So to treat her like again 374 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: you're inviting her to brunch, that speaks to the fact 375 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: that we have injustice built into our system. And it 376 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: also undermines what our members of Congress and the one 377 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: six committees say is they're imperative to get to the truth, 378 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: the thought that they need to adhere to some sense 379 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: of decency and decorum, and to give her the respect 380 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: she deserves because she's the wife of a Supreme Court justice. 381 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: Get out of here, m M. I couldn't have said 382 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: about it myself, you know, Adrian. It is not lost 383 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: on me that the two people who are out front 384 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: potentially holding Donald Trump accountable, whether it be his crimes 385 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: of fraud, whether it be him trying to undermine the election, 386 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: are two extraordinary black women. It is. It is not 387 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: lost on me that is Fannie Willis and Tish James 388 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: that are out there that are holding this wealthy, white, 389 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: privileged man trying to hold him accountable. What do you 390 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: make of how they are being perceived in the media 391 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: about how they have been driving force each of their 392 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: individual investigations. How has that been landing for you, and 393 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: how do you think that it's landing with the public. 394 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: So I would say when it comes to members of 395 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: the GOP and the far right, of course it's massogyn 396 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: no war for days. They're going after both Willis and 397 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: James in any way possible that undermines their work or 398 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: makes them seem like they are not being impartial or 399 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: not following or abiding by or pursuing justice in the law. 400 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: But at the same time as well, I am actually seeing, 401 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: as I would see based on being a member of 402 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: the media and illegal analysts, they're not getting hit as 403 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: hard as say Kamala Harris is getting hit when it 404 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: comes to m you are in the media in general, 405 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: it does seem that our society does appreciate the work 406 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: that they're doing. But at the same time, it reminds 407 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: me of a lot of kind of the unfairness and 408 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: inequities that befall us Black women our society, where it's 409 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: all left up to us, it's all on our backs, 410 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: where there are so few of us in positions of 411 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: power to hold even these white men accountable. There are 412 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: so many other wealthy white men in positions of power 413 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: who could have done something long ago. There's even one 414 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: right now that could do something, named Merritt Garland, Yet 415 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: it seems that he is sitting on his hands time 416 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,959 Speaker 1: and time again, or wants to approach it with kitty gloves. 417 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: Yet it's always seems to be these black women who 418 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: are out here sticking their neck outs and facing a 419 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: lot of the hate, the slander, and I do not 420 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: doubt that the Magomenians are not threatening them, or going 421 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: after them, or putting them in situations where their families, 422 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: lives and what not are threatened. Yet they are still 423 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: expected to pursue justice despite the fact that society is 424 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: literally structured to hold them down and to keep them down, 425 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, just finally on this one point, you know, 426 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: there is somebody else who could be doing more heavy 427 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: lifting and is currently not, and that is Alvin Bragg, 428 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: the Manhattan DA who had a truckload of evidence that 429 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: was left to him by Sivance and hadn't and hasn't 430 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: decided to pursue that in any real way, so much 431 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: so that two of his prosecutors, you know, quit. What 432 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: do you make of that? I, of course I don't 433 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: have any concrete evidence. I did read those prosecutors letters, 434 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: and it was really interesting how all of a sudden 435 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Brad got put into office and then hey, they kind 436 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: of seemed to drop the case, even though there was 437 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: so much meat there and there was so much substance 438 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: in terms of going after the law. It almost seems 439 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: like somebody got bought out to a certain extent, right, 440 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: And that's what it's conveyed to me, and that we 441 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: should not be trusting a person in that position. And 442 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: so I think that that's kind of the hope of 443 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: Trump and co. In order to see who they can 444 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: get into these positions of power who are willing to 445 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: look the other way or to act like this is 446 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: something we need to drop, which is why Trump and co. 447 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: Are pushing for this delay, delay, delay tactic and all 448 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: of their cases again hoping that there is going to 449 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: be a changeup in power on who's pursuing things. Fortunately, 450 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: with Latisha James, there has not been that change up 451 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: at the Attorney general level. But when it comes to 452 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: the Manhattan Dah, my god, I don't know that there 453 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: is going to be any justice or semblance of it there. 454 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: And to the extent that there is, I think it 455 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: will be because he'll have absolutely no other choice whatsoever. 456 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: It's either prosecute or your corruption is going to be 457 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: put on full display. You know, I feel that I 458 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: felt the same way, and I felt that, you know, 459 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: Tish James in her press conference in her referrals saying 460 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: that she was referring both to the IRS and to you, 461 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice into these places that basically she said, 462 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: I did all your homework for you. I've done all 463 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: the work. I've crossed all the teas and dotted all 464 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 1: the eyes, and so maybe you just take this here 465 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: folder and open it and open up and invest. So 466 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: much so that Alvin Bragg had to make a statement 467 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: on social media that said that he is continuing with 468 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: the investigation into Trump and Trump organization, and I'm like, oh, 469 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: is that right? Final question for you, Adrian, is this 470 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: again myriad of lawsuits against Donald Trump? There are so 471 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: many it is honestly hard for me to keep track 472 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: of what we are talking about when we are talking 473 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: about it, because it seems like every week brings another suit. 474 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: In your professional opinion, knowing who we are dealing with 475 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: and what system we are dealing within, do you believe 476 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: that we will see Donald Trump and company indicted or 477 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: is this just all really good media spin and press 478 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: and eventually it will go the way of all of 479 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: his other cases, which is nowhere all right, So I 480 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: don't know necessarily if we are going to see an indictment. 481 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: I know that the basis for it is there. I 482 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: still think that our society, largely our government, is playing 483 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: by these rules of decorum and gentlemen's agreements when it 484 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: comes to white men who are wealthy and powerful and 485 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: also keeping a president above the law. I think that 486 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: that is something that is important to them, even though 487 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: they speak otherwise, because you know, if they are going 488 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: to take down one wealthy privilege, very powerful white man, 489 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: then they can do it to the rest of them. 490 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: And so our society is too much invested in seeing 491 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: certain individuals not face accountability. So I do see this 492 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: as more of a charade. But I do think that 493 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: the best chances of the takedown would probably be James, 494 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: largely in part because she could hit it where business 495 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: happens and where matters, and also in New York, where 496 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people do not respect nor care for him, 497 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: and so you're more likely to get a jury who 498 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: is not going to apply but actually hold him accountable. 499 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: And if you shut him down to the point where 500 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: any banks who do business in New York, which would 501 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: be every major bank and every general bank, and he 502 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: cannot open up or take any more loans out, I 503 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: think that that would be the death nail for him, 504 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: even beyond any kind of criminal indictment. You know, I 505 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: think that you're right, because I mean, right now, what 506 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: is she looking at Roughly two hundred and fifty million 507 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: dollars in damages, and we don't even know if Donald 508 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: Trump is worth that. We will find out, but we 509 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: don't even know if he's worth that. So if she 510 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: does have the ability, even if it is not to 511 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: put him in prison, but to put him into bankruptcy, 512 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: to wipe out his financial capabilities. I think that that 513 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: will go a long way. We will just see him 514 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: then go back to panhandling his constituents. But what else 515 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: is new? And if you don't think Milania won't be 516 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: up and out of here the moment he broke broke, 517 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: please girl, please, I think all his kids will be 518 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: out of here the moment the moment daddy is broke broke. 519 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: Where where you think they're going to be? Oh? Yeah, already? 520 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: Put what picking out her witness protection name. I'm sure 521 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: I swear it. Her and her little boo and the kids. 522 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: They will flip flip. I believe it. I honestly, I 523 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: believe it. I think the two I think the two 524 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: sons are too stupid, but I believe, I absolutely believe 525 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: that she has been setting up her exit for quite 526 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: for quite some time. Yeah, I believe it too. Adrian Lawrence, 527 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: host of the Young Turks, over ruled. Thank you so 528 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: much for making the time to make sense of the 529 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 1: legal nonsense that we find ourselves in in this country. 530 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: Much appreciated. Please do come back again soon. Thank you. 531 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: That is it for me, Dear friends on Woke app 532 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: as always, Power to the people and to all the people. 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