1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Call Zone Media. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: Welcome Dick it appened here a podcast that is now 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: more than ever about the world crumbling and what you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: can do about it. I am your host Bio Wong 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: and with me as Karison Davis. 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 3: Hello, Happy big, beautiful Bill Day. So today we are 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 3: here to. 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: Talk about the Genocide Budget. I am calling it the 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: genocide budget because that is what this budget is designed 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: to do. It is designed to create the apparatus that 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: will allow the Republican Party to carry out mass deportations 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: on a scale that be unlike anything else in American history. 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: But Comma, and I want to be very clear about this. 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: There has been a lot of talk about the new budgets, 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: deportation procedures and the funding of it, and it's important 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: to note a few things. From the get go right, 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: you have been hearing a lot of numbers, and I 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: have been saying this too, because it's true with the 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: total amount of funding for order provisions is one hundred 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: and seventy billion dollars, which is larger, like a third 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: larger than the military budget of Russia. This is true, However, 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: com that money is not all going to one agency. 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: I see a lot of people who think that all 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: of that money is going to ICE. That is not true. 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: It is dispersed along a bunch of different kinds of things. 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to do a little bit of a breakdown 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: of where that money is going, because it's not all 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: just going to like here's the deportation thing. I'm again 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: going to be relying on the American Immigration Council's figures 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: because they are very good. So of this one hundred 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: and seventy billion, about fifty one billion, almost fifty two 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: billion is going to quote, construction and maintenance of border walls, 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: CPD checkpoints, and CPB facilities. About seven point eight billion 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: is going to This is the part that is one 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: of the parts that's really fucking scary, is going towards 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: hiring more border patrol agents and doing like training for 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 2: law enforcements and doing training center improvements. There's about forty 38 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: five billion that's going into making more attention centers and 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: putting more beds in attention centers. That's fucking terrifying. There 40 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: is about thirty billion going into hiring ICE agents, and 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: that's just like directly, this is the part that's removing people, 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: hiring ICE agents deporting people. There's about a billion for 43 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: the Department of Defense to like help with all of this. 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: There's thirteen and a half billion for state immigration and 45 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: border enforcements like cost fu imbursement stuff, so state programs 46 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: can can do things, and there's money for the federal 47 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: government to reimburse the states for doing their own programs, 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: a lot of which will be used. But this is 49 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: not all going to one department. A lot of it's 50 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: going to a bunch of different places, and a lot 51 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: of it's going towards border wall construction, which is very bad, 52 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: but it's also like a third of well it's like 53 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: a quarter roughly of the budget is going to that. 54 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: It's also worth noting that these numbers are all over 55 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: the course of a decade, right. This stuff doesn't just 56 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: like instantly appear. They have to build all of that 57 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: apparatus up, and that means they can be stopped now, right, 58 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: because it's going to take a fucking decade for them 59 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: to get all of this up and running. And that means, 60 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: on the one hand, the longer we wait to resist 61 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: them and to basically neutralize ices and Border Patrol's capacity 62 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: to do this stuff, the worse it gets. But also 63 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: they have to be in power for a fucking decade 64 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: for all of this shit to kick in, and if 65 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: they're still in power in a decade, we have quite 66 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: frankly larger problems here. So that's just the initial stuff 67 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: that I want to I want to make sure people 68 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: understand about this, because there's a lot of not good 69 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: reporting happening about it that doesn't break the stuff down. 70 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: So the downside, again, as I said, one hundred and 71 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: seventy billion dollars just directly to the deportation engine in 72 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: various forms and to the border wall. ICE's total tension 73 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: budget goes too, and this is again from the American 74 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: Immigration Council. ICE's total detention budget goes at minimum to 75 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: fourteen billion a year. This is and I this amount 76 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: would represent a three hundred and eight percent increase on 77 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: an annual basis over ICE's twenty twenty four detention budget. 78 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: By comparison, the entire Federal Bureau of Prisons budget was 79 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: eight point six billion. So they're trying to do a 80 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: yearly detention budget that is significantly larger than the entire 81 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: detension budget of the federal prison system. 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: I mean, they're just creating a whole separate prison system. Yeah, 83 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: a lot of the extra funding for DHS is essentially 84 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: creating a second army that is allowed to operate on 85 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: domestic soil with way less strings attached. 86 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. 87 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: And that's like the primary ten year plan. You can 88 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: see what they tried to do in Los Angeles and 89 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: what they did do in Los Angeles like a few 90 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: weeks ago. They're gonna want to do that everywhere, but 91 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: with their own DHS military, with their own DHS prisons 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: completely siloed away from the rest of the government. 93 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: Yep. 94 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: And there's also and this is something that goes for 95 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: most of this bill, there is very very little straints 96 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: on how this money can be spent. These groups have 97 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: a lot of latitude on it now. It is also 98 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: worth noting a lot of this is going to be 99 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: spent on absolutely just incredibly stupid bullshit, Like they're going 100 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: to spend a bunch of money on border wall shit 101 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: that's going to go to a bunch of like contract grifts. 102 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: They're going to spend like an unbelievable portion of this 103 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: money somehow is going to go to like extremely stupid 104 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: AI startups. But yeah, it's very, very fucking bad. There 105 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: is also again a lot of money for state and 106 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: local governments to spend working with ICE. They estimate that 107 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: this could lead to one hundred and twenty five thousand 108 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: beds for holding people, which is again only slightly less 109 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: than the entire federal prison system. So yeah, they want 110 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: to make a second prison system specifically to do these 111 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: these fucking this deportation like ethnic cleansing, genocide, and just 112 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: directly under the control of Stephen Miller, like Stephen Miller 113 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: gets his own military and his own prisons. And Trump 114 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: is on the record saying that Stephen Miller, if Stephen 115 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: Miller had his way, they would be hundred million people 116 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: in the US and they would all look like Stephen Miller, right, 117 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: Like they want to get rid of like every non 118 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: white person in the US. That is like the end 119 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: goal of someone like Steven Miller. Billions must ball. But 120 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: the exception, and this is also something that's worth noting, 121 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: is that recently Trump has been talking about like this 122 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: like system where you'd have farm workers who were like 123 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: quote unquote the responsibility of the farm owners. So they're 124 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: talking about slavery, right, And people like Curtis Jarvin are 125 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: like very explicitly being like h I wonder if there's 126 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: another domestic population that could do ag your cultural labor. 127 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: So like, yeah, they want the non white population in 128 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: the US to do slavery, right, This is just explicitly 129 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: what they're talking about. Also, they want to hire ten 130 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: thousand more iceations. But it's also worth noting, and I 131 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: think this is very important. Even ten thousand more ICE 132 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: agents is not enough to do the thing they're trying 133 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: to do. Like, it's just not right. There's three hundred 134 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: million people in this country, like threefty million people in scody, 135 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: Like ten thousand more iations can't do this, right, and 136 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: they especially can't do this if they're being resisted at 137 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: every turn. And you can look at what they've been 138 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: forced to do in la and how they've been forced 139 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: to change tactics as a sign of this, right, where 140 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: like at the very beginning, they were rolling up with 141 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: like these giant like fucking convoys and like everyone's in 142 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: fucking like but like a bunch of guys carrying rifles, 143 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: and they were doing these giant raids and they had 144 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: to stop because when they were assembling on mass in places, 145 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: people would just fucking show up and throw shit at them. 146 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: And so they had to stop doing that because it 147 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: was it was it was hindering their ability to do 148 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: this shit. And this is a mirror, interestingly, of what's 149 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: of what's been happening to protesters right where like protesters 150 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: also have been in in LA have not been just 151 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: gathering in one spot because then like the force of 152 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: the police can just come down and hammer you. We've 153 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: done the same thing to Ice, Like they can't do 154 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: these like giant gatherings in one place because like the 155 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: community will descend on them. So what they've been forced 156 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: to do is, like you know, they've become incredibly mobile. 157 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: Theyir deployed and just like a parking lot for a 158 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: small amount of time, doing hidden run strikes on civilians. 159 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: And this is also partially why they're not in uniform, 160 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: because if they show up in uniform, like everyone can 161 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: just immediately fucking show up and fight them. Right. And 162 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: so this is something that I don't think is understood 163 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: very well, which is that their tactics have been forced 164 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: to evolve based on what we're doing to them, and 165 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: even the increases in budget they're doing. Yeah, the attention 166 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: facility stuff is extremely bad. Even with ten thousand more agents, 167 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: they don't have enough people to like fundamentally change the 168 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: numbers game here. Right, this is all very bad. It 169 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: is just straight up evil. It is like hideously destructive 170 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: and painful. That is the point of this is to 171 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: be hideously destructive and painful. But every single day, every 172 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: single day, in places like Los Angeles, there are a 173 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: bunch of ordinary people who every time fucking eye shows up, 174 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of like messages go out and people 175 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 2: start putting up fucking wheat posts of shit on telephone poles, 176 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: and suddenly a bunch of people show up to try 177 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: to resist these people. And if we keep doing that, 178 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: and if we intensify that, that none of the worst 179 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: case scenario shit from this budget has to happen. I 180 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: want to make that very clear before we go to break. 181 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: I want to get through a little bit more of 182 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: the just like straight cruelty stuff, because there's just stuff 183 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: in here that's just like they just hate immigrants, like 184 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: they want everyone to suffer, and they also want you 185 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: to just suffer in bureaucratic hell. So one of the 186 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: things that they're doing is they're setting a cap. This 187 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: this bill sets a cap on the number of immigration 188 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: judges in the country at eight hundred, So there's only 189 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: seven hundred right now. Right seven hundred immigration judges is 190 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: not enough immigration judges to process everyone. They want people 191 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: to go on process, and they want to be able 192 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: to just fucking grab those people and kick them out. 193 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: They want people stuck in this process forever. They are 194 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: trying to create a backlog. They are also massively increasing 195 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: the application fees for every single stage of the immigration process. 196 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: AIC calculates it would quote result in at least fifteen 197 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: hundred dollars in filing fees during the five year weight 198 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: And like, these people have no fucking money, right, Like, 199 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: that's why they're coming here. And we talked about this, 200 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: James talked about the Nadarian series. Most of these people 201 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 2: have used all of their money just getting to the 202 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: US because it's incredibly expensive and dangerous, and these policies 203 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: don't generate a significant amount of revenue. It's just inflicting 204 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: hardship and suffering on people who want to live in 205 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: this place. Yeah, do you know who else wants to 206 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: live in this place? 207 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: I don't like that. 208 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: I couldn't come up with the transition there. It's too bleak. 209 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: I don't know products and services go. We are back 210 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: speaking of things being terrible. Let's talk Medicaid. So Medicaid 211 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: is getting a trillion dollars of cuts over the next 212 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: ten years. They are imposing an eighty hour a month 213 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: work requirement from Medicaid in food stamps. This is going 214 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: to kick off unbelievable numbers of people. The Congressional Budget 215 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: Office estimates in the next nine years it will kick 216 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 2: off eighteen point three million people. This is particularly devastating 217 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: to people with disabilities because again there are lots of 218 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: people who can't work that number of hours, and again 219 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: it's devastating people who can't find jobs is a fucking horrific, 220 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: horrific thing. This is also particularly bad for trans people 221 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: because that work requirement is also now applied to food stamps. 222 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: So like, if you just fucking can't find a job, 223 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: like fucking eat shit, they're kicking you off of Medicaid 224 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: and food stamps. They're estimating about three million people get 225 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: kicked off of SNAP. And again, trans people use Medicaid 226 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: and SNAP at enormous rates, significantly higher form the general 227 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: population because our poverty rates are much much higher. And 228 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: this is something we talked about in the last executive disorder. 229 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: But like, this is going to just destroy vast swaths 230 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: of the Royal hospital system because again, one in four 231 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: people in rural areas get their healthcare paid for by Medicaid. 232 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: Kaiser Family Foundation is estimating that it's going to be 233 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty five billion dollars decrease in rural 234 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: regions over the next decade. These hospitals have already been closing. 235 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: My estimates on this is I think it's actually the 236 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: actual damage to healthcare in these communities is going to 237 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: be significantly worse than what's being projected right now because 238 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: hospital margins are absolutely terrible and they're just built to 239 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: be increasingly more profit extractive. You know, this is creating 240 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: a system where if you are rich and in urban areas, 241 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: you can get health care, but if you're fucking poor 242 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: in urban areas, eat shit. And if you're in rural 243 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: areas and you don't have the money to like fucking 244 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: take a private jet or some shit, or you can't 245 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: pay for like verys private medical care, they're leaving you 246 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 2: to die. This is going to just absolutely devastate the 247 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: rural economy. And also that's not even the only sort 248 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: of like devastation healthcare thing. Center for American Progress wrote 249 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: a good article about this. This bill also is very 250 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: very laser targeted at defunding Planned Parenthood. It has a 251 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: ban on using Medicaid at any clinic that provides abortions, 252 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: so that money already can't go to abortions, right, that's 253 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: the High Amendment. It fucking sucks, we hate it. It's terrible. 254 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: But this is just a ban on any clinic that 255 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: provides abortions taking Medicaid, which is just like, you know, 256 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: just annihilates Planned Parenthood. It makes it really really fucking 257 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: hard to do abortions. Planned Parenthood is estimating that they're 258 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: going to have to close two hundred clinics, largely in 259 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: blue states, in urban areas there are a lot of people. 260 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: And this is also again trans people who get their 261 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: coverage from Plant Parenthood. It's really really, really fucking bad. 262 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: And it's yeah, I mean that Plant Parenthood is calling 263 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: it like a crypto abortion ban, which it kind of 264 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: is in a lot of ways, because they're just going 265 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: after the ability to actually like fund. 266 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: Clinics, runa function in clinic. 267 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is again, you know, like the strategies 268 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: they use against trans healthcare, the strategies they use against 269 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 2: abortion care. Yeah, and so you know, we're seeing all 270 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: of these things combined together as like this budget bill 271 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 2: and like a lot of what this budget bill is. 272 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: I mean, there's obviously always policy shit in budget bills, 273 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: but this is a budget bill full of just shit 274 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: that like could never get passed normally, like would just 275 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: impossible to pass through Congress. But they're just sort of 276 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: like ramming through these a bunch of like hideously unpopular 277 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: procedures like in this in this fucking bill, because it's reconciliation. 278 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: You can't fill a buster it. They're just like putting 279 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: all of this shit in. They've also eliminated programs that 280 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: made it easier to enroll in medicaid because they want 281 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: you to be stuck in bureaucracy forever, both on just 282 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: the level of like if you're stuck in bureaucracy forever, 283 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: you can't actually access medicaid, and then also the more 284 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: stuck in bureaucracy you are, the easier it is to 285 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: sell these like conservative like anti bureaucracy budget cut things. 286 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: So it's this like spiraling thing of like everyone in 287 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: the world is increasingly trapped in these bureaucratic hellholes trying 288 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: to get literally anything out of the state, which is 289 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: that and the only critique of this is from the right, 290 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: And because the only critique of this is from the right, 291 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: they use it to build their power while making everyone 292 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: else's fucking lives miserable. There's also a provision in this 293 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: that says that if you make the federal poverty line 294 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: to one hundred and thirty eight percent of the federal 295 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: poverty line, so that's like fifteen thousand, six hundred a 296 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: year of fifteen thousand and six fifty a year to 297 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: like eighteen thousands for a single person, there's like a 298 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: mandatory copay increase for each time you'd like visit a doctor, 299 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: like up to thirty five dollars, which is fucking hideous 300 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: because like again, the people on Medicaid, like in a 301 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: lot of places, it's been possible to use Medicaid without 302 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: paying any money for a visit, right, and that makes 303 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: people go to the doctor. But if you have to 304 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: pay any money, because the people who are this fucking poor, 305 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: like you don't have thirty five dollars like fucking laying 306 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: around to go to the hospital, you fucking defer, and 307 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: you defer, you defer, and you defer in your healthcare 308 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: until it becomes until you hit something that either kills 309 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: you or is so devastating you have to go to 310 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: the hospital. And that's the situation that the GOP wants here, Like, 311 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: these cuts are not about saving money, they're about just 312 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: inflicting incredible cruelty on people. And yeah, this is just 313 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: another absolutely devastating sort of outcome of this bill. So 314 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: there's also a whole bunch of rollbacks of like all 315 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: of the existing climate policy we've had, which has never 316 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: been like super good but was like something. But they've 317 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: eliminated the tax credit for electric cars. There's now tax 318 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: credits for like auto loans and shit in very like 319 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: you can like write off auto loans in very weird ways. 320 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: Wait are you serious to some extent, Yeah, it's fucking weird. 321 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: Finally, finally I'm gonna get that Mazda Miata. It's finally happening. Oh, 322 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: thank goodness, thank you, thank you Trump, Sorry Elon, thank 323 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: you you Trump. 324 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: It's interesting because there's like one or two things that 325 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: are like kind of okay, like okay, But my favorite 326 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: one is one of the things they gets a lot 327 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: of press is is like, oh, there's no taxes on tips, 328 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: but that's only a temporary. 329 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: Thing that goes for like the next what four years. 330 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but then it just expires. Yeah, so it's 331 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: just like literally a payoff. 332 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: You know based Actually, I think tips should be tax 333 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: low key. 334 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah wow wow petit bourgeois garrison. 335 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: That's right. 336 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. So one of the provisions of this is that 337 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: like the Medicaid cuts like only go into effect in 338 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. 339 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 3: Which is very curious because if you think about it, 340 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: so much of this bill is just trying to like 341 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 3: midterms proof the GOP m hm. So as soon as 342 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: the midterms happen, and they expect the Democrats to do 343 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: very well despite the broken state of the Democratic Party currently, 344 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: but that's that's probably still what they're forecasting. But this 345 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: bill is built so that the Medicaid cuts only go 346 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: into effect after the mid yep, yep, yep. They're trying 347 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: to make sure it won't hurt them during mid terms. 348 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 3: But also if Democrats do take power, then they can 349 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 3: use the fact that medicaid is doing really bad to 350 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: help Republicans in the next general which is insane because 351 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 3: they're the ones that ruined Medicaid. So there's a lot 352 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: of stuff like that in the bill where they're trying 353 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: to make certain things go into effect specifically to help 354 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 3: them in future elections and hurt Democrats in future elections, 355 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 3: including the tax on tips thing. Yep. I will say 356 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: it does give us a little bit of room to maneuver. Yeah, 357 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 3: because this entire bill is a threat. 358 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they have to actualize it. 359 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: And unless they follow through on the threat, then that's 360 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: all it is. So people have to keep challenging them 361 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: on this and defaying their ability to implement this. And 362 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: we do have a year and a half to nullify 363 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: at least some of the worst aspects of this bill, 364 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: and that includes strengthening local healthcare systems, food stamps, but 365 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 3: also continuing to mobilize popular resistance to ice and border patrol. 366 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 3: We cannot afford to surrender here. 367 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: No, no, And you know, back at the beginning of 368 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: the administration, the phrase I was using could talk about 369 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: what this is going to do. I think we were 370 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: all sort of using this was like the state is 371 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: going to retreat and become more hostile, and this is 372 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: like the ten times mega like acceleration of this. Right, Yeah, yes, 373 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: like the state is becoming a thing withoud that it 374 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: exists only to like kill you. Right. But the thing is, 375 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: it is also worth noting these programs are not just 376 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: there because like they're good for people. They were there 377 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: to buy people off, right, Like the carrot and the 378 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 2: stick are both parts of maintaining each other. Right. The 379 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: reason you can have the stick is because you have 380 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: the carrot to pacify enough people to be able to 381 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 2: deploy the stick. They seem to believe that they can 382 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: only fucking use the stick now, and they can give 383 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 2: you the tiniest fucking carrots that have ever existed. And 384 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: we are going to get to see whether they can 385 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: do that and whether our ability to like fucking produce 386 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: our own carrots allows us to generate a situation where 387 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: they fucking can't keep controlling you more. 388 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 3: The other thing that they demonstrated the past few months 389 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: is the unilateral ability to shut down government agency. 390 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: Oh, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. 391 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 3: And this is something that a smart future candidate could 392 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 3: weaponize because Ice is younger than most people listening to 393 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 3: this podcast, It's younger than me. 394 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 2: Abolishing ICE is now the conservative position. If you are 395 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: a moderate conservative, you are you now must be in 396 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: favor of abolishing ice like that's that's that's simply where 397 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: we are now. 398 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: I was at this somewhat cursed Fourth of July party, 399 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: I guess full of some of MEA's old Twitter enemies. 400 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: Oh no, I will not name names, but multiple, multiple 401 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 3: people apologize to me for making fun of ice must 402 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: be destroyed in the past. 403 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: I'm so fucking vindicated. 404 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: I am the most vindicated of all time. They wanted 405 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 3: me to pass off the message to you that they 406 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 3: are sorry and that you were right the whole time. 407 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: I was fucking right. So I'm realizing there's a lot 408 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: of people who actually don't know this. I am the 409 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: person who, until I deleted my Twitter account last year, 410 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: ended every post with moreover, ice must be destroyed. I 411 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: also do this on Blue Sky now, and I want 412 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: to specifically, if you want to apologize to me, specifically 413 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: send that apology in the form of money to the 414 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: Trans Income Project. We will link the Trans Income Project's 415 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: fundraiser below below. Here they give money directly the trans people. 416 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 2: They do a whole bunch of unbelievably cool shit. It rules. 417 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 2: We're going to have episodes talking about them at some 418 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 2: point in the next couple of months. They are fucking awesome. 419 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: So direct direct, direct your apologies to the Trans Income Project. 420 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: Give trans people money. 421 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: I will inform the people at the next cursed for 422 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 3: the time. 423 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: All right, you know who else wants your money? 424 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 3: These products and services that support this podcast. 425 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: Yep, we are back. So there's another part of this 426 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: bill that has been getting very very little coverage that 427 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: it really sucks shit, which is a national voucher tax 428 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: credit program for private schools. So the way this works 429 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 2: is really convoluted. You can get tax credits by giving 430 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,239 Speaker 2: money to organizations that supports private and religious schools and 431 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: give out school vouchers. So the reason it's set up 432 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: like this is this is a way to get around 433 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: the ban on like giving money to religious schools. Why 434 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: just giving money to organizations that give money to religious schools. 435 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 2: But what this does, right, So these vouchers let you 436 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: pull your kid out of public school and send them 437 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: to a private school. And what this does it allows 438 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: you to spend seventeen hundred dollars like to these organizations 439 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 2: and get a one one hundred percent tax credit. Literally, 440 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: nothing works like this. Charitable donations don't work like this. 441 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: Nothing else like that we have ever had works on 442 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: a one hundred percent tax credit like this, Like no 443 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: donation fucking happens at all. This is a massive tax 444 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: cut for money that goes to fucking rich family whose 445 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: kids are ready go to private schools. It is a 446 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: massive attack on the public education system. These voucher programs 447 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: are hideously unpopular, fucking they keep failing in red states. 448 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: Everyone hates them. They fail in blue states. There is 449 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: literally zero chance they could ever get this pass through 450 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: Congress normally, but they stuck it into the budget bill 451 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 2: and forced everyone to vote for it. Now, it's worth 452 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: noting that this is again, this is a fulfillment of 453 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: like the ancient dream of the right, which is to 454 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: destroy the public education system and replace it with private 455 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 2: a private education system that is resegregated. They have been 456 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 2: trying to do this for as long as the like 457 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: the modern right, has been around. This has been their thing. 458 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: You know, we have talked endlessly on the show about 459 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: the ways in which the ways in which the modern 460 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: right is built, specifically on the opposition to desegregation, and 461 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: how this has been their plan, So this also starts 462 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty seven. It is important to note the 463 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: states have to opt into this program, so they can 464 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: still be killed in most places on the state level. 465 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: But it fucking sucks. It is an attempt to destroy 466 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: the public education system and a maxim tax cut to 467 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: rich assholes. There's also, and this is fun, potentially increases 468 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: the student loan payments. So SAVE was the Biden administration's 469 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: like loan repayment plan. Lots of this stuff never took 470 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 2: an effect because it was held up by the courts. 471 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: But this gets rid of SAVE and other like a 472 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: lot of other like loan repayment programs and combines them 473 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 2: into this thing that's called the Repayment Assistance Plan. And 474 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 2: this quote from MSN would set borrowers' payments to one 475 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: to ten percent of their income, depending on their income level, 476 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: with a monthly minimum payment of ten dollars. Unpaid interest 477 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 2: is waived under this plan, and any remaining balance is 478 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 2: forgiven of for thirty years. So this is like compared 479 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: to say, this is a pretty massive increase in how 480 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: much you would have to pay for your student loans. 481 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: You also can't defer payments if you're unemployed or dealing 482 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 2: with economic problems, which is a complete shit show. It's 483 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: also it also is worth noting that like mass non 484 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: payments of student loans is already pretty normal. If you 485 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 2: go back to like the Occupy era and you read 486 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: stuff from the Debt Collective, there's a lot of talk 487 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 2: then about organizing student loan debt strikes, and then they 488 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: just found out that like huge numbers of people already 489 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: weren't paying, So you know, there's there's potential for resistance here. 490 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of work done on this front 491 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: over the past fifteen years. It also gets rid of 492 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: the Graduate Plus program for people without kids, so there's 493 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 2: just like a bunch of fucking horrible shit happening. There's 494 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: also in this in this thing, one hundred million dollars 495 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: for the Office of Management and Budget to do more 496 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 2: dode shit. And again, OMB right now is as as 497 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: centertor America Park is points out literally ran by the 498 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 2: director and author and co author of Project twenty twenty five, 499 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: and they're giving him one hundred and twenty five million 500 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: dollars to figure out how to cut more government agencies. 501 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, one hundred million, sorry, hundred million dollars sea. 502 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: Oh that that twenty five will make such a big difference. Yeah, 503 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 3: I have some ideas for some futures if we want 504 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 3: to save approximately forty billion dollars a year. Just at 505 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: Democrats on on on Twitter and blue Sky and and threads, 506 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: let me know. I can give you some ideas. 507 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: Ice Border Patrol. 508 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 3: It's possibly billions of dollars in savings. 509 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security. 510 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: So let me know at at DNC on all platforms 511 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: I can. I can advise for a very very fair 512 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: pay rate review. 513 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: Of all DoD military contracts. 514 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 3: Competitive consulting rate. I can let you know what things 515 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: you too can doge in the future. Postal cops. It's 516 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 3: about time ACAB includes the post Office. 517 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: Both beliefs it does. It's motherfucker suck ass right. There's 518 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: also four point five trillion dollars and cuts tax cuts 519 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: mostly for rich people. There's a bunch of extremely stupid 520 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: shit in here. This just it's just a giant wealth 521 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: transfer from poor people to rich people, which is very bad. 522 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: It's also notable that it puts, like over the next decade, 523 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: like another a three trillion dollar hole in the deficit. 524 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: And this is worth noting because this has pissed off 525 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 2: a lot of Silicon Valley fascists. Because a lot of 526 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 2: the Silicon Valley people, and this is something I've talked 527 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: about this before, but it's very important to understand a 528 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: lot of these people are completely obsessed with the deficit, 529 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: right because they want the government to run like a business. 530 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: Well yeah, but there's a second thing going on here too, 531 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: which is like they think that like that US deficit 532 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: payments are going to like basically overwhelm the US budget 533 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: and they're just become increasingly large percentage GDP, which will 534 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: cause the US to just like be destroyed. And those 535 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: people are genuinely very pissed at this about this budget. 536 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: And Elon Musk is kind of like one of the 537 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: avatars of this, right me, I. 538 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: Think, I think, I think you mean elongated muskrat God. 539 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 3: I should call him by his real. 540 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: Name, fucking god. 541 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 3: Ah. 542 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, he is the kind of like 543 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: rallying point of the people who are genuine only ideologically 544 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 2: committed to just like doing all of these budget cuts 545 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: because they're like weird, actual like true leaver deficit hawks, 546 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: unlike the people who want to do it because they 547 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: also want to do it because they hate poor people, 548 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: but like. 549 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: They hate poor people differently, they have a different type 550 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: of hate. 551 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have different Yeah. Well, and it's also like 552 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: the question basically is are you willing to like massively 553 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: increase the deficit to give corporations spending cuts or do 554 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: you think that if you do that, you also need 555 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: to do even more cuts. And that's that's the cant 556 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: that Elon's in. It's worth noting before we get to 557 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: the Elon angle of this, I'm just going to read 558 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: this from The New Republic. A survey by The Washington 559 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: Post found that forty two percent of Americans opposed the bill, 560 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: while only twenty three percent supported it, leaving the legislation 561 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: with a net favorable rating of minus nineteen. And that 562 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: was the most positive that the results got. A Pure 563 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: Research Center poll found the bill had a net favorability 564 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 2: rating of minus twenty. Fox News found a net favorability 565 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: rating of minus twenty one. I mean, quinit pack found 566 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: a net favorability of minus twenty six and KFF found 567 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: ability rating of minus twenty nine. 568 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: Those do sound low, but on the other hand, that's 569 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: a very high number for Matt Gates. So for the GOP. 570 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's not that low. 571 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, nineteen is like the top of his range. 572 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: Thank you for that cutting edge, Matt Gates pedophile joke 573 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: right right right on the right, on the cusp of culture. 574 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 3: We're just really writing the zeitgeist. 575 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: So everyone fucking hates this bill is the thing. Right, 576 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: And in this kind of climate, Elon Musk has decided 577 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: to create a new political party called the America Party 578 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: to run against the GOP. 579 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 3: Many such cases, many such cases times just time as 580 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: a flat circle. Once again, this is like. 581 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: The farsest farce version of the Reform Party, Like who 582 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 2: fucking knows what this is going to do in the end, 583 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: Like we just don't know. Probably nothing, nothing, Yeah, it's 584 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: actually going to do nothing. Maybe slightly put a tiny 585 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: dent in the GOP. But yeah, I mean, I will 586 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: say I will say this. The actual important thing about 587 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: Elon opposing Trump is that it it gives a wedge 588 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: to pry away different sections of Trump's base, like of 589 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: Trump's elite base from him. Like again, like as you 590 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: talked about, like the one moment where it's ever been 591 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 2: possible to talk about like the Trump Epstein shit was 592 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: when that happened. So I don't know. I think there's 593 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: potential for the future where like stuff can you know, 594 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: it's possible for there to be larger riffs in that 595 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: sort ofly collision and that can possibly be exploited. Yeah, 596 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: there's also just like a bunch of unhindshit that I think, 597 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if people understand didn't get in the bill. 598 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: All of the like government land transfer stuff got cut. 599 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: That they wanted to put a proposal in to make 600 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: it so that you had to like pay a bond 601 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: if you sued the governments, and that didn't make it in. 602 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: Thankfully we stopped them from doing the trans medicaids of 603 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: bullshit for episode forthcoming. But yeah, this bill really fucking sucks. 604 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: There's a lot of just unbelievably terrible provisions in it. 605 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: But Comma, everyone hates it and it can be stopped. 606 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: And that's all I got on Genocide Bill. It could happen. 607 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: Here is a production of cool Zone Media. For more 608 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website all right 609 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: Polson Media dot com, or check us out on the 610 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts 611 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: you can now find sources for It could happen here, 612 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: listed directly in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.