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Speaker 1: with him and was fan girling at every table read.

428
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: I mean, those two were both daughters, but you know,

429
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 1: in in my mind, I just tried to make them

430
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: very like different, and like you said, I have a

431
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: variety of different characters, and that's kind of what I

432
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: thrive on, is like like I don't want to have

433
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: little jobs, but I do like the sense of kind

434
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: of moving on to something and like playing something completely

435
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: different than I have. And I'm always looking for something

436
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: that I haven't done before, Like I would love to

437
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: be a killer instead of getting killed. All right, we'll

438
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: see if we can make that happen or like some

439
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 1: like crazy person, like I don't know, intense intensity in

440
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 1: a different way than anything I've done before. I don't

441
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: know a killer just like got brought to my mind

442
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: dark something dark, something dark. Yeah, well you don't shy

443
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: away from drama for sure. I want to talk a

444
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: little bit about thirteen reasons why I am told you

445
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: auditioned for season one of the show. I did too, Really,

446
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: I did too. What character? I think Stephen Webber's part.

447
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 1: I think it was the principle. Okay, yeah, I think

448
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: the office was still going. It was right around that time.

449
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you auditioned for season one, you didn't

450
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: get it? Spoiler alert. I'm sorry to be the ones

451
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: to tell you that again all these years later. Yes,

452
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: but I did. I did go to New York and

453
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: meet Brian Yorkie, which, you know, an actor world, it's

454
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: always like, you know, the people that get to meet

455
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: the creators and stuff or get far enough on a project,

456
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: they kind of remember you a little bit for future

457
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: roles that they're gonna do. Is that what happened? I'm

458
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: guessing so okay, I don't know. Okay, Yeah, Well, we

459
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: had a lot of people in the office right that

460
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: eventually came back, you know, they auditioned for Pam or

461
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: Jim or whatever and then didn't get it and then

462
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: eventually came back for other roles. Did you audition in

463
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: season two or were you asked to do it because

464
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: of that meeting. No, I definitely auditioned, and they were complete,

465
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: like bogus sides. I had no idea what character I

466
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: was going to be even interacting with or anything even

467
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: until I got on set that day, which is when

468
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about that before, like I don't know where

469
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: the bathroom is even on on this show. I showed

470
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: up the first day and had no idea like who

471
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: I was even interacting with that day. Yeah, it was weird,

472
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: but I knew like my story, you know, that's all

473
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: I auditioned, you know, a couple of times in person. Gosh,

474
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: I remember those days. Miss it so much better, so

475
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: much better. What were some of the most difficult scenes

476
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: or storylines that you had on that show. I mean, definitely,

477
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, the intimate scenes that I had with my

478
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: boyfriend on the show bryce his character. Those were pretty intense,

479
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: and that was kind of the first time that I

480
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: had ever gotten to play something that deep on camera

481
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: or like kind of be that vulnerable on camera. So

482
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: it really did push me. That was kind of difficult

483
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: to film. But I will say that the director and

484
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: um Justin Prentice who plays who plays the character, it

485
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: was just so calming. I mean, it really didn't feel

486
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: like it felt very safe and everyone was there to

487
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: make something great and it's just felt very homey, I

488
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: guess as much as it could in those uncomfortable moments.

489
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: And the abortion, I guess my yeah, my abortion scene.

490
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: That was like one of my favorite things to film,

491
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: which is kind of I know it sounds bad, but

492
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: like anything that I haven't really done or have to

493
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: kind of put myself in a different mindset and let

494
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: go in a way is fun to me. That's why

495
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: I said the intensity and like, you know, but that

496
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: abortion scene was very intense and that to me was

497
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: really challenging and fun to do as an actress and

498
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: kind of sad. You know, I'm glad, I'm happy how

499
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: it turned out. Yeah. Are you proud of that show? Yeah?

500
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: I think it really was the first show to pave

501
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: a way for this kind of new teen drama. Um

502
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: that we were saying like euphoria and I mean not

503
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, we are the reasons why euphoria

504
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: is euphoria, but I think we were kind of one

505
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: of the first shows on TV to show something dark

506
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: that was very controversial, and since then it's you know,

507
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: it's made it's made away. I agree. I mean there's

508
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: always been quote unquote teen drama, but I thought that

509
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: the complexity and depth with which thirteen reasons why, how

510
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: it dealt with real issues. I mean, you mentioned you

511
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: for you, I think that's spot on. It's sort of

512
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: said okay, we're okay, we can go this deep and

513
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: actually potentially change people and give you know, the young

514
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: people who are watching the show like, Oh, okay, that's

515
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: actually really like the experiences that I have. Oh, that's

516
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: really some of the challenges that we're going through. I

517
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: give that show a tremendous amount of credit for that. Yeah,

518
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: I think it did. It did start a lot of

519
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: conversations and made people more open to talk with their

520
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: parents or friends about different things that they thought they

521
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: were alone in. You know, yeah, I think so. I

522
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: mean bringing up conversations you said, I mean, to me,

523
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: what great art does is about asking questions, right. It's

524
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: not about preaching or telling people what you should do

525
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: or what you shouldn't do, which I think, quite frankly,

526
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: to be honest, most drama does that, right, Like the

527
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: After School Special is the obvious example of that. But

528
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: like really bringing up difficult topics that tortured people are

529
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: dealing with, and to give a voice to that and

530
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: to ask those questions I think is really valuable and

531
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: important too. I also but I also still think that

532
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: the comedy and the lightness of things is still very important.

533
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: And that's actually with the Orville, I think it kind

534
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: of does both. It has like those questions that you

535
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: can kind of talk about in a way that you

536
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 1: don't really like you know you have. These aliens are

537
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: different kind of species and different worlds and galaxies, but

538
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: it still brings up important questions based on your takeaway

539
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: from it. But it also is very uplifting in light

540
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of funny moments as well. We

541
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: all love comedy too, you know. I mean, I don't

542
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: want every if every show was you know, dark sad.

543
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: We need the office, we need, we need to last too.

544
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. Let's talk about the Orville seth

545
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: McFarland's gigantic production season three. It's coming right now, moved

546
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: to Hulu. You've joined the cast in season three. Now,

547
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't want any spoilers for myself or anybody listening,

548
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: but tell me a little bit about Charlie Burke and

549
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: how she she fits into the show or is introduced

550
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: in the show in this new season. Right. So, um,

551
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, in the previous season they had that big

552
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: blow up with the Kalon and basically Charlie is coming

553
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: onto the Orville as a new navigator. That was the

554
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: one person who survived one of their their ships and

555
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: got away and she lost her best friend and she

556
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: has a vengeance for she basically hates the Kalon, and

557
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: since Isaac is on our ship, we have a lot

558
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: of interaction. But I'm a badass navigator when it really

559
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: comes down to it and simple, in simple terms, that's

560
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: what we're looking for. Badass navigator, badass navigator. That's the

561
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: sound clip right there. Somebody marked that one to put

562
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: it simply. That is me, yes, and me and Gordon

563
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: sitting at the front. We had a blastphelming together. He's hilarious.

564
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: I also have a gift in this world too, um

565
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: see things four dimensionally or multidimensionally. And I still, after

566
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: even all the YouTube videos that I've watched to just

567
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: kind of grasp it doesn't really make sense. But basically

568
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: I can see what's coming ten steps this way if

569
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: we do this, or ten steps this way if we

570
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: do this. So I'm the one that is always in

571
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: the front that it's you know, because I'm smart. This

572
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: is this is where we don't have similarities. I'm pretty

573
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: sure I see things two dimensionally. Actually, I'm pretty sure

574
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't even given the third dimension. So this is interesting.

575
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Did you watch the Rville before, Like, were you a

576
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: fan of it or were you aware of it or

577
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: absolutely not. No, when I know I did not. Then

578
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: when I got called into an audition and then a meeting,

579
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: I binge watched it all in like two days. Of course, okay, research,

580
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm very big into research. But no, I didn't. I

581
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: didn't really watch the show before. And after watching it,

582
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: I was like, this is hilarious, and it's like now

583
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: my parents favorite show, Like they rewatched the first three

584
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: seasons multiple times. They love it. So yeah, I'm glad

585
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: I got introduced to it my good, good old friend Jess's.

586
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Or speaking of Gossip Girl before, do you have a

587
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of makeup? Are you in the

588
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: chair for seventy two hours a day or whatever? No?

589
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Thank god. I I feel for the people that have

590
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: to sit in that makeup chair so long for makeup.

591
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean it looks incredible, but I am so grateful. No.

592
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: I was maybe in the makeup and hair chair for

593
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: like an hour total natural, just hair and a pony's hail. Easy. Same.

594
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it was the same look the whole time.

595
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: You know, we're in uniform, no changes to anything. It

596
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: was very simple for me at least right now. Was

597
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: that difficult for you? I mean, I know you have

598
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: done it now a couple of times, joining sort of

599
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: midway through. How how was your relationship with Seth and

600
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: and the gang as you started filming. Yeah, this is

601
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: a good example of that. I was definitely kind of

602
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: nervous because they had been together for a long time

603
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: and they were very close. But I don't know, I

604
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: just kind of really focused on my character, who was

605
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: had kind of a chip on our shoulder anyway, for

606
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks and then um, so before

607
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: we went on set, No, Seth had a dinner with

608
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: the whole cast, and I got to meet everyone and

609
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: got to know everyone really well. So by the time

610
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: we got to set, it was I felt like we

611
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: had already kind of hung out a couple of times. Okay,

612
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: that's cool, But I to be honest, I am one

613
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: of those actors who likes to be behind the cameras.

614
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: So I'll usually be in the room where you know

615
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: the director is watching and everything and kind of be

616
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: silent and watch what's happening and here the direction and

617
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: see where it's going, because I want to do that eventually.

618
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: So when you're not when you're not on screen, you

619
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: prefer to not just go to your trailer. But watch, Yeah, yeah,

620
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: that's cool. Why do you think that helps you or

621
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: how do you think it helps you? Well, first of all,

622
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: it's for an actor. You you get to see kind

623
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: of what they were trying to say, especially when you're

624
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 1: working with a certain director whatever, When you see them

625
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: say something too an actor and what they actually are

626
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: wanting to get them to do, it just brings more clarity.

627
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. And also you just learn about the cameras.

628
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: You learn about really how long a lightning setup is

629
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: going to take from behind from behind the scene when

630
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: they're saying it's gonna be two minutes, the different shots

631
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: and stuff. I don't know. It's just more interesting. It's

632
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: more interesting than getting behind Cameron reading a book to me, right,

633
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: So I try to take advantage of the opportunity of

634
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: like being able to be behind the camera and see. Well,

635
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: it's truly you know. I get asked all the time,

636
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: either by young actors or students or or whatever, like

637
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, what should we do? How can we learn?

638
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: And in this brief conversation with you, you have said

639
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: two of the things that I always say, which is

640
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Speaker 1: one in terms of the Orville and you were going

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Speaker 1: to have a meeting one. Watch television. Watch as much

642
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Speaker 1: television as you can if you have an opportunity. The

643
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Speaker 1: only way you're going to truly succeed is if you

644
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Speaker 1: understand what the aesthetic of that show is, how the

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Speaker 1: actors behave on that show, how big it is, how

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Speaker 1: small it is. I think that's vitally important, and not

647
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Speaker 1: just for a particular show, but as you have opportunities

648
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Speaker 1: to go out for a multitude of shows, having that

649
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Speaker 1: wide base of experience is so important. And the second

650
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Speaker 1: thing is is that you know what you're saying. It

651
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Speaker 1: makes so much sense every director and in television right

652
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Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know, you almost have

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Speaker 1: a new director every week, or you often have a

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Speaker 1: new director every week who has their own vocabulary and

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Speaker 1: way of speaking and way that they're trying to get

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Speaker 1: the actors, and so watching that when you're not on

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Speaker 1: screen and understanding what his or her particular culture is

658
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Speaker 1: to create this episode, this story, within this world, even

659
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Speaker 1: if you understand the world is really really important. So

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Speaker 1: good for you. Yes, yes, great, that's exactly exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Although in the or vote they switched off only between

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Speaker 1: Seth and John Kassar they would take turns directing, so

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Speaker 1: that was nice, but it is challenging when it changes

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Speaker 1: every single week. Yeah, I remember that being challenging on

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Speaker 1: Grand Hotel on ABC, they changed every very single week.

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Speaker 1: That was hard. Yeah, well the office was, I mean

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Speaker 1: we had we had directors that would come back, but

668
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Speaker 1: rarely was there any uniformity or regularity. So but even

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Speaker 1: with two different directors, I'm sure their vocabulary was slightly different.

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Speaker 1: And you being introduced to the show watching, I just

671
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Speaker 1: think that is is so important. I mean, I'm also

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Speaker 1: I'm also wanting to produce too. I just optioned a

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Speaker 1: book and I'm going to be producing and acting in that.

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Speaker 1: So I figured that, you know, before getting really started

675
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Speaker 1: in that too. Just the more knowledge you have, the

676
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Speaker 1: more experience, like you said, is the best class you

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Speaker 1: can put yourself in the Unraveling of Cassidy Holmes you're

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Speaker 1: referring to you optioned the book. Why this book? What?

679
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Speaker 1: What was it about this book that got you so

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Speaker 1: excited and interested? Well, during quarantine, I read a lot

681
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Speaker 1: and I was kind of searching for for something that

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do in acting because I actually, like

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Speaker 1: my first couple of weeks working on the Oraville Seth

684
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Speaker 1: and Fuzzy Door were really impressed by me, and they

685
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Speaker 1: had me come into their office and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: down the line Orville or not, you know, we would

687
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Speaker 1: love to work with you. So if you ever find anything,

688
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: bring it to us kind of thing. So I was like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 1: So that pushed me a little bit to be aware

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Speaker 1: of different things. Anyway, I was reading this book and

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Speaker 1: it kind of just reminded me of that perfect in between,

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Speaker 1: like we were talking about of the drama, the real

693
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: questions and topics and a little bit dark, but also

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Speaker 1: the fun and it's funny. And the genre is in

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Speaker 1: the nineties, which is my favorite era. Now we're seeing

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Speaker 1: it all over, I mean, this era is popping up

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Speaker 1: all over with new shows. It just really hit me

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Speaker 1: as like, you know, I would love to be in this.

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Speaker 1: This is something I would watch and it's something I

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Speaker 1: would love to act in. And it's like a dream role.

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Speaker 1: Like if I got the script, I would be like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I hope to god I get this.

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Speaker 1: So to be able to create that on my own

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Speaker 1: is very you know for tonight, that's awesome. Where are

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Speaker 1: you at right now in the process. So we have

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Speaker 1: a show runner. Her name is Karen and she was

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Speaker 1: actually in the girl band that did you g l

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Speaker 1: y You ain't yeh, I mean you can't. You can't

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Speaker 1: remember that song. Well, I'm not going to discuss my

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Speaker 1: age because I'm over eighteen and I'm going to keep

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Speaker 1: it that way wherever me too. By the way, I'm yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's all you need. That is all you need to say. Yep,

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Speaker 1: we're basically the same. But she's our show runner, which

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about because it's kind of in that

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Speaker 1: era and she's dealt with a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: that we talked about in the book. We have a pitch,

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Speaker 1: we've we have everything ready, we're waiting on a couple.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the first time that I'm not in

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Speaker 1: control of like the other parts of that go into

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Speaker 1: play with this. So it's like you do all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: you get everything ready, and then you have to kind

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Speaker 1: of wait on a couple other people to do other things,

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Speaker 1: and then you're going to get really busy. Right So

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Speaker 1: I'm in a little waiting waiting phase right now. We'll

725
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that because I think that's

726
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Speaker 1: interesting to people. So what what are the things that happened.

727
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Speaker 1: I mean, I was really shocked at getting a show

728
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Speaker 1: runner was my biggest learning lesson because I have optioned

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Speaker 1: the book and then it was I had to read

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Speaker 1: a bunch of spec scripts, which I didn't know is

731
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Speaker 1: basically writers auditions. It was so interesting to see how

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Speaker 1: that process was. You're reading a ton of different scripts

733
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Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with your vision of what

734
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Speaker 1: your book is about, but you have to kind of

735
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Speaker 1: judge a writer based off of just their story and

736
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Speaker 1: in just general. That was pretty tough. I was reading, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, five six scripts a day and like

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Speaker 1: taking notes and I'm like, this has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with what I'm seeing in for my show. So how

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Speaker 1: am I supposed to judge this? You know? Right? Well

741
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Speaker 1: I am. I'm so excited for you that you found

742
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Speaker 1: something that you're interested in and that you're going through

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Speaker 1: this new creative process with Fuzzy Door. By the way,

744
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Speaker 1: he's doing Orville, which I'm excited about. Oh, Fuzzy Door

745
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Speaker 1: is a part of it. Yes. Oh, so this wasn't

746
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: so seth. This wasn't an empty promise. When he said

747
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Speaker 1: bring me something, you brought him something and you're doing

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Speaker 1: it with them. Well, good for you. That's awesome. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: on that. Thank you to take ownership of material and

750
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Speaker 1: to be able to guide something that's awesome. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited for you for season three of The Orville. I

752
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: know you guys worked so hard on that show and

753
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: to finally have it come out for other people to

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00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: be able to see that's uh. Check it out on

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Speaker 1: Hulu The Orville season three. It has been such a

756
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Speaker 1: pleasure getting to know you a little bit. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: my Dallas, Texas compadre. And uh, listen, if this doesn't

758
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: work out, okay, I mean The Orville is gonna be huge.

759
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: If it's terrible and then your book doesn't, then go

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Speaker 1: back to s m U. Yeah, I'm not begging on that. No,

761
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: will not happen. Will not happen. Congratulations on all of

762
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: your success. I'm so happy for you, and uh, I

763
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch The Orville. I'm excited. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Thank you for having me. I don't know, Annie,

765
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: don't count out s m you two fast. It's a

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Speaker 1: magical place some of my best times. But no, I

767
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to be happening. You are thriving

768
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Speaker 1: on the Orville. Obviously, it is going to be huge.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me today, and listeners,

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00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. Make sure to

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Speaker 1: follow us on the end stuff. I think that's what

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Speaker 1: people call it, and uh like subscribe, you know the drill.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch you next week for another episode, a

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Speaker 1: very special episode of Off the Beat. We'll see you then.

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Speaker 1: Off the Beat is hosted an executive produced by me

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00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Lang Lee. Our producers

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Speaker 1: are Diego Tapia, Liz Hayes, Emily Carr, and Hannah Harris.

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Speaker 1: Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary. Our theme song

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Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak performed by my great friend Creed Bratton,

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Speaker 1: and the episode was mixed by seth Olandski