1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Everybody Bobby here, and we're now going to count d 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: ten greatest alternative songs of all time for the most 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: part of their nineties songs. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: Also for the most part, this is. 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: Not my real hair, and this could probably be confused 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: as an eighties wig too. But now for the sake 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: of this, think of like nineties alternative Seattle grunge. 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: I haven't washed this thing in a month. 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Don't think about the fact that I just ordered it 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: from Amazon and open up the package and put it 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: on my head right now, although probably equally as grungy. 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: All right, here we go. 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: Now, before I get into the biggest alternative songs, I'm 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: gonna tell you that I did. 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: Kind of create. 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Statistics, and so I based these songs off of thirty 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: five percent cultural impact, twenty five percent influence, meaning did 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: other bands almost say copy, but did they build from it? 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Twenty percent longevity, ten percent critical acclaim, and then ten 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: percent quality. Is it simply a great song? And we're 21 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: gonna start at number ten, which I think is simply 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: a great song. Now, they didn't have a lot of 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: other massive songs, especially here in the States, but the 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: band is the verve and this song is Bittersweet Symphony. 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 1: If you watched I Don't Know Cruel Intentions with Sarah 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Michelle Geller, you were like, dang, two girls just kissed. 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: That's a big part of that movie. Especially as a teenager, 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: you're like, what the heck? That's awesome. And then also 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: this song plays bitter sweet symphony. What a jam And 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: this song belongs mostly because alternative music had gotten really 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: will go grungy and hard, but this song kind of 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: shifted a bit. Let music be a little more cinematic, 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: a little more massive sounding. 34 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: That the song is or stroll. The lyrics are personal. 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: It's also like just whiny enough to be alternative because 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: it's winding about being trapped in modern life. I mean, 37 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: it was everywhere in nineteen ninety seven, and so I 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: put this song at number ten because it was an 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: awesome song and it was in a movie where the 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: girls kiss, and I thought that was awesome when I 41 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: was seventeen years old. Fun fact about this song, The 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: Verve lost nearly all the songs royalties for years because 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: they got into a dispute about the orchestra that sampled 44 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: in it with the Rolling Stones. Decades later, the rights 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: were returned to the band. That's a lot of missed 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: out money. So that's a number ten at number nine 47 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: Pearl Jam. Jeremy Jeremy with Pearl Jam's third single, Alive 48 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: was number one Jam, even Flow who was number two Jam, 49 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: but Jeremy was number three and the song was played 50 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: on MTV lot and because it was played on MTV 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: a lot, it helped the band get to. 52 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: A new level of success. Now the story about this song. 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: There was a kid named Jeremy Wade Dell, fifteen years 54 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: old from Texas. He died by suicide in front of 55 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: his classmates in nineteen ninety one, and Eddie Vedder read 56 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: an article about that and wrote this song. And so 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people still confuse this song is a 58 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: song about school shooting. 59 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: It's not. It's about another tragedy. 60 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: And Eddie Vedder did an experience it himself, which is 61 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: another confusing part of the song. But he read about 62 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: it was so moved that he wrote the song. Fun 63 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: fact about Pearl Jam, they were already named before Eddie 64 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: Vedder joined the band. The band had several different names 65 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: before settling on Pearl Jam. And maybe you've heard of 66 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: Mookie Blaylock. If you haven't look it up ballplayer and 67 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: former band name at number eight the Red Hot Chili 68 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: under the Bridge. Remember those ads back in the day 69 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: that said get ten CDs for a penny, man I 70 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: do for anyone under thirty five years old. This is 71 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: gonna sound completely made up, but it was real. Back 72 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: in the eighties and the nineties, companies like Columbia House 73 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: and BMG Music Club would advertise these deals where you 74 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: could get. 75 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: Ten CDs for one penny. 76 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: You'd fill out the form, you picked the albums you wanted, 77 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: You mailed the four men, and a few weeks later, 78 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: a box full of CDs would show up at your house, 79 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: all bound by three really strong rubber bands. 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: It was amazing. So what was the catch. 81 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Well, when you signed up, you agreed to buy a 82 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: certain number of additional CDs over the next couple of years. 83 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: Usually it was around five or six more albums, and 84 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: those albums weren't cheap. They were often more expensive than 85 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: buying them at a regular store. But again, that wasn't 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: the sneaky part. The sneaky part was the album of 87 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: the month. Every month, the club would send you a 88 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: catalog if you wanted that month's featured album. You did nothing. 89 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: If you didn't want it, you had to mail back 90 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: your card saying nah, no thanks. If you forgot to 91 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: send the card back, they automatically ship you the CD 92 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: and then charged you for it. So a lot of 93 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: people accidentally ended up with a lot of albums they 94 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: never really wanted to begin with. But here's why everybody 95 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: loved it anyway, including myself, because I had so many 96 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: CDs from this thing. For a teenager in the nineties, 97 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: it was the way to build a music collection. If 98 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: you did not have any money. 99 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: One day, you. 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: Struggled to have two CDs in your collection. A few 101 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: weeks later, you had like twelve. You couldn't even listen 102 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: to all of them because you had so many. And 103 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: of course people figured out the loophole pretty quick. People 104 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: started signing up under their mom's names, the dad's names, 105 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: the brothers' names, fake names, dogs' names. You just wanted 106 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: to get that deal over and over again for an 107 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: entire generation. Columbia House and that massive box being delivered 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: felt like Christmas. 109 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: It was the coolest thing. 110 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: It was basically the Spotify free trial of the nineteen nineties, 111 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: except instead of streaming music, it was this really cool 112 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: rubber band bound box of CDs that you really couldn't afford, 113 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: and that's where I got this CD, Blood Sugar, Sex Magic. 114 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: With this song the Red Hot Chili Peppers under the Bridge, 115 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: I think there are probably three artists that I have 116 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: seen double digit times, John Mayer, Food Fighters, and the 117 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili Peppers. Now, before Under the Bridge, the 118 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: Chili Peppers were just that funk rock energy band, wild performances. 119 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: The song kind of changed it for them. 120 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: Anthony Keatis he had written a poem about loneliness and 121 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: feeling disconnected from the people around him in Los Angele List. 122 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: Another thing that I really didn't know about until I 123 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: watched the documentary on Netflix. 124 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: The original guitarist, whose. 125 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: Name was Halel, died from a heroin overdose in nineteen 126 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: eighty eight. So there was another kid who ended up 127 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: joining the band. He was eighteen years old, and so 128 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: John Forshanti joined the band. He had been a Chili 129 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: Peppers fan. He had even studied Hallel's playing style for 130 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: years since he was a young kid. So with this 131 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: song and You're Gonna see where it all comes together, 132 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: he had this poem. Rick Rubin, who produced the record, 133 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: and Rick Rubin of Beastie Boys. Rick Rubin of Well 134 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: named just about anyone jay z Fame got with the 135 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: Big Beard. He said, Okay, read this poem to the band. 136 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: So Anthony Ketis kind of read, kind of sang the poem, 137 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: which ended up being the lyrics, and then John for 138 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: Shanti created the guitar chords in that part ended up 139 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: being the real backbone of the song. You do see 140 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: that in the Netflix documentary as well, which is really great. 141 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: So that's why the. 142 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili Peppers Under the Bridge makes the list. 143 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: One shout out to Columbia House and then two shout 144 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: out to the Chili Peppers. At number seven, Weezer Buddy Holly. 145 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: If I were just going off a personal taste alone, 146 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: if that was a large percentage, the song would have 147 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: definitely been on the top three. 148 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: But I'm not totally biased. I'm only somewhat biased. 149 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: But Buddy Holly was a song on an album that 150 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: freaking rocked my face off, that Blue album, the Weezer album. 151 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: When I was able to see that like nerdy guys 152 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: could be cool too, that changed it for me, and 153 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: Buddy Hawley showed that alternative rug didn't have to be 154 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: dark or angry or serious, and. 155 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: Weezer was able to kind of be funny. 156 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: And MTV launched this song as well, because not only 157 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: was it a good song, but the music video was 158 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: inside the World of Happy Days, and there was even 159 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: some footage of the original. 160 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: Cast, So Weezer, Buddy Holly. 161 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: You can't see it, but I got a poster right 162 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: over there of the Blue Album. I have a blue 163 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: album album. It's a little repetitive there, but it is 164 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: the vinyl and Weezer was coming to play American Idol, 165 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: and I was on the show for a few years. 166 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: And I never want to bother celebrities when they come 167 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: to do anything work wise. But this is one of 168 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: my favorite bands of all time. It's why I wear 169 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: my glasses like I do. These are sunglasses, but my 170 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: normal glasses are very much Rivers Cuomo inspired glasses. Weezer's 171 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: tour bus is outside the sound stage. We're all going 172 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: on in a matter of hours. There was a record 173 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: store in Los Angeles near the sound stage, so I 174 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: go over and I buy the Blue Album, thinking I 175 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: might see them backstage. I see one of the producers 176 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: and they say, hey, you should go over and just 177 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: knock on the bus door. They seem nice, all right, 178 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,599 Speaker 1: So that's what I do. I take my blue vinyl 179 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: and I walk over and I knock on the bus 180 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: door and the guitarist looks out and says hey, And 181 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I work on the show, like 182 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm one of the on camera talent. 183 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: Is there any chance I can get this signed? And 184 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, come on in. Like crap, that was easy. 185 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: So I got the vinyl and I walk in and 186 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: there are three guys in there, three Weezers, but Rivers 187 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: Cuomo is not in there, and I'm like, oh no, 188 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to get this record signed to not 189 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: have Rivers Cuomo signed the record. 190 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: He's the lead singer of Weezer. 191 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: And so they sign it, and I'm just hanging out 192 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: still see no Rivers, and I see in the bus 193 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: there's this door that opens and closes, and I see 194 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: the door just slowly open and a little eye looks 195 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: out and then the door closes again. 196 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: But the little eye had the glasses on. I knew 197 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: that was Rivers. 198 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: And he said, hold on, I'll go back and say 199 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: if I can get Rivers to sign this, and so 200 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: he takes the record and he goes back and he 201 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: opens it, and the door opens, and Rivers looks and 202 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: he goes, hey, he signs it, hands it back, door shuts. 203 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: That was my Rivers Cuomo experience on a tour bus. 204 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: Very little, but exactly what I would have hoped for. 205 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: And number six, Green Day basket Case. I would have 206 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: thought this album came out before nineteen ninety four. Honestly, 207 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: this album feels to me like it's been out for 208 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: one hundred years. And you could say to yourself, well, 209 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: Green Day's punk, yeah, but kind of everything's alternative that 210 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: wasn't mainstream at the time. And I think this record Dukie, 211 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: which is sold over twenty million albums. I think that 212 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: pop punk that ended up being radio friendly kind of 213 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: opened some doors for some other alternative music. But you 214 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: gotta think Nirvana was like earlier than this. To me, 215 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: Green Day Dukie has always existed. It's kind of like 216 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: Stone Hinge. There just wasn't a time where this music 217 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: didn't exist. But I'm putting this at number six. And 218 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: I went back to this album Longview, Welcome to Paradise, Basketcase. 219 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: She When I Come around Basketcases, the song we're focused 220 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: on here, but so. 221 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: Many massive songs longview. All I remember is the baseline 222 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: boom bom b. 223 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Paradise, basket Case. Obviously she tunes in silence 224 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: when I come around, When I come around. Awesome record. 225 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: But not only that, if you let it play long enough. 226 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: Like one of the. 227 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: Real great things about having CDs back in the day 228 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: is sometimes they would put a hidden track on a CD, 229 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: meaning when that last song finished, if you just let it, 230 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,479 Speaker 1: it would just play in silence. We'd just play in silence, 231 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: in silence, in silence, in silence, until all of a 232 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: sudden four or five six minutes later, a hidden track 233 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: would start to play. And I do believe that all 234 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: by myself, sang by Trey Coole of Green Day, was 235 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: the greatest hidden track. 236 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: Of all time. I was alone, I was all by myself, 237 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: no one was looking. 238 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: I was thinking of you. It was perverted, and you 239 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: know how Green Day are. But I think that's the 240 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: greatest hidden track of all time. But at number six 241 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: is Green Day. Basket Case at number five, And this 242 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: is a band that I would say that I was 243 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: never really a fan of. I understood why people were 244 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: fans of them, but it just wasn't for me. 245 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: It's Lincoln Park. 246 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: In the end, I put that out at number five 247 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: of the Greatest alternative Songs because what made this song different, 248 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: and what made the band different, is that. 249 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: They ignored all the rules. 250 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: Rock bands weren't supposed to rap rap songs, weren't supposed 251 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: to have huge rock choruses. You were supposed to have 252 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: one lead singer, not two. But they both weren't lead singers. 253 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: One was a rapper, one was a singer. The one 254 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: that could rap actually did rap stuff by himself after 255 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: he was good enough to do that. Chester Bennington a 256 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: great freaking vocalist. Rest in peace. So linkoln Park had 257 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: it all, but you weren't supposed to have that much, 258 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: because that means it was anti any music that already existed. 259 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: When this song came out, everybody knew it even if 260 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: you didn't love it, and rock fans liked it, rap 261 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: fans liked it, kids liked it, adults liked it. It 262 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: was one of those songs that kind of crossed over 263 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: to everyone, and they did a whole album like an 264 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: MTV with Live with Jay Z. It's awesome. It's still 265 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: one of the better live MTV performances. The other thing 266 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: is if you go back and you listen to it, 267 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: which I did, it doesn't sound like it's trapped in 268 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: two thousand and one. A lot of songs from that 269 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: era feel and sound dated. I feel like this one 270 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: still holds up. Also, this is one of the only 271 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: songs from the two thousands on my top ten list, 272 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: but Lincoln Park in the end at number five. Fun fact, 273 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Lincoln Park originally called Zero before they changed their name 274 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: and signed a record deal number four. One of the 275 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: big ones here Radiohead Karma Police come. A lot of 276 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: bands have a sound, especially successful bands, a really cool sound, 277 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: and they keep making versions of it, changing a little here, 278 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: changing a little. 279 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: There, but they kind of know where their moneymaker is. 280 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: Radiohead always seemed like they were trying to figure out 281 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: what was next before everybody else got there, even for themselves, 282 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: like they would switch it up hard, they would have 283 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: their own fans yelling at them, but that's how revolutionary 284 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: Radiohead was. Karma Police is probably the easiest Radiohead song 285 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: for the average person to listen to for the first 286 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: time and get into it, but it's also the song 287 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: that hinted that they probably weren't going to make straightforward 288 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: rock music forever. 289 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: They were going to experiment a bit. 290 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: It was weird enough to be interesting, it was still 291 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: catchy enough to be a hit and. 292 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: Make people want to hear it again. 293 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: And the thing that I always come back to is 294 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: how many bands from that era had a couple of 295 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: really big songs and then people really love those songs. 296 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: Radiohead had songs that other bands studied. The other bands 297 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: that got really big studied Radiohead and their songs, and 298 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: not even just the hits, and so fans didn't just 299 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: listen to them. They kind of obsessed over them if 300 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: they loved them or if they hated them, and if 301 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: they hated them, they studied them until they actually love them. Now, 302 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: this came from Okay Computer, which is one of those 303 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: albums that shows up on pretty much every list of 304 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: greatest albums ever made. 305 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: And so you can agree with that or not. And look, 306 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: I'm not a massive Radiohead head. Here we go again. 307 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a massive radio Head head, but I do 308 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: understand their cultural significance. Karma Police fun fact started as 309 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: an inside joke within the band. Whenever somebody was acting out, 310 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: they'd be like, hey, I'm gonna call the Karma police 311 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: on you. Somehow that joke turned into one of the 312 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: other important alternative songs of the nineteen nineties. A second 313 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: fun fact about Radiohead. They took their name from the 314 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: song Radiohead by the Talking Heads, So Radiohead respect. 315 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. 316 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: I would think, as we're getting to the top three 317 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: songs here that a lot of people feel that I'm 318 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: going to pick Nirvana smells like teen Spirit at number one. 319 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: That'd be the easy one, right, kind of what launched 320 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: it all massively. You'd be wrong, because I have it 321 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: at number three. That's right, Nirvana smells like teen Spirit. 322 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: You could argue it's number one, most do. It did 323 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: completely change the music industry. Within months, grunge replaced hair 324 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: metal as the dominant force in rock music, and then 325 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: eventually pop music record labels scrambled to find the next Nirvana. 326 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: It's like they all moved to Seattle to find well, 327 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: all the bands that had hair like this. Very few 328 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: songs ever can honestly claim they changed the direction of 329 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: popular music. This is one of those songs that completely 330 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: changed pop music, and it's weird to call Nirvana pop music, 331 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: but you have to remember pop music is just popular music, 332 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: and in the nineties, alternative music ended up being very popular. 333 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: So Nirvana Smells Like Teen Spirit is at number three. 334 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: The title of the song is from a joke a 335 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: friend wrote, Kurt smells like Teen Spirit on a wall, 336 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: referring to the deodorant brand. Kurt Cobain thought it was funny, 337 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: kept it and thought it felt like a revolutionary slogan, 338 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: so I wrote a song about it later. Weird Al 339 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: did Smells Like Nirvana and mostly just sang where you 340 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: couldn't understand what he was saying. And that was the point, 341 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: because through a lot of this song you don't really 342 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: know what Kurt's saying unless you look it up. I think, 343 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: as a kid, I think I just sangho hind in 344 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: gott oh. I just kind of did the melody thing forever, which, 345 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: by the way, I was a massive Nirvana fan. Not 346 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: my favorite Nirvana song because I don't really feel like 347 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: you can be a massive fan of a band and 348 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: have their biggest song be your number one song. 349 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: Kind of a loser theory. 350 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: But one of my top five albums of all time 351 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: is Nirvana Unplugged and mostly I'm a guy too that goes, 352 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: you can't have a greatest hits is a favorite album, 353 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: and that's not really your greatest hits. 354 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: It's an acoustic. 355 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: Album where they did David Bowie, meat Puppets, their own songs, 356 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: et cetera. 357 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: But a little bit. If I'm picking that as one 358 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: of my favorite albums, I'm kind of a poser. That's okay. 359 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: I love Nirvana And number three smells like teen Spirit 360 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: I think about it, I only have two songs left. 361 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: Before I even started this, one of the guys in 362 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: the room said, I hope you have some. 363 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: Nine inch nails. Who'd you, guys. 364 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: Say, Allison Chains? 365 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hmm not the Rooster did not make the list, sorry. 366 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: And number two Coldplay Yellow What a song? Really one 367 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: of the greatest songs in my lifetime period. You can 368 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: be a Coldplay hater if you want. I'm not gonna 369 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: be a Coldplay hater. I'm gonna be a Coldplay respector. 370 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to remember how big this song 371 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: was back then because Coldplay has become one of the 372 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: biggest bands on the planet. They've become so big that 373 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: their backlash is big. Like that's how you know somebody 374 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: is so big. Backlash only happens when you get so 375 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: popular that it's cool to not say you like someone, 376 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: and that's what happened with Coldplay. When Yellow came out 377 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: and that music video hit, my life changed. I was 378 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: living in a little rock Arkansas. I could not believe 379 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: it. It was the greatest song and the greatest empty video 380 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: because you kind of just saw him walking on the beach, 381 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: but you didn't really know. 382 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: But the song doesn't try too hard. 383 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: There's no big trick, there's no crazy production, there's no 384 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: complicated lyrics. It's just a great melody. It's a great 385 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: vocal and a feeling that almost everybody could relate to. 386 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's why it connected so much. 387 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: A lot of alternative music in the nineties was built 388 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: around angst and frustration and being on the outside. To me, 389 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: Yellow felt very different than that because it was hopeful. 390 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: It was also very vulnerable. It wasn't trying to be 391 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: cool at all. It was just honest. And when the 392 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: song hit, it just didn't launch a band, it kind 393 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: of launched the next era of alternative music. I mean, 394 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: suddenly there were a lot of bands that were willing 395 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: to be more emotional, more melodic, a little less concerned 396 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: with looking tough and flannel and hair like this. 397 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: I mean. 398 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: The other thing that stands out to me is how 399 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: many massive Coldplay songs came after this one. I mean, 400 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: most bands would love to have one song as big 401 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: as Yellow. For Coldplay, it was basically their introduction. I 402 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: love Coldplay. I did a science experiment with myself on 403 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: their second album, or Russia, Blood to the Head. I 404 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: would listen to it every night as I was going 405 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: to sleep to see if I heard it random times 406 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: during the day would make me sleepy. 407 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: It didn't. 408 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: I heard it at Kroger once in the meat aisle, 409 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: and I did not think about going to sleep. The 410 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: title kind of came by accident during recording. The band 411 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: was looking at the sky at night, and a nearby 412 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: object that happened to be yellow inspired the name, and 413 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: so they said, let's let's. 414 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: Do the song Yellow with all the same meaning and emotion. 415 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: We're now at number one. 416 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to my guys sitting behind the table here. 417 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: I've listed a lot of songs. What do you think 418 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: my number one song is going to be? 419 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: How You Remind Me nickelback. 420 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: Almost It came in at seven hundred and nineteen. Bummer, 421 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: what do you think is mine? 422 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: Or what would you put it? One? 423 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 3: Oh man, that's a tough one. That is a really 424 00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: tough one. 425 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: Mmm, he's thinking about it. He got his finger over 426 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: his lips. 427 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 3: The Green Day, the Green Day one was was up 428 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: there for me. 429 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 2: Like too high? 430 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: No, I was Green Day was like number one for me. 431 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 3: So you hit you hit that one on the on 432 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 3: the head for sure. 433 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: What about the argument that it's punk not alternative. 434 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: No, there's It was just as mainstream as all the 435 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: other stuff at the time. So what is your number one? 436 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: So you're not gonna guess anything else. Dylan's too young. 437 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: Dylan was born like four years ago. 438 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 5: And I feel like you guys have known each other 439 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 5: for a decade. 440 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I thought the number one song is 441 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety one my list. 442 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: The number one song is not a repeat of any 443 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: band that I have listed so far. The number one 444 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: song focused on an instrument that isn't often focused on 445 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: in alternative music. I would say this instrument is more 446 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: focused on in bluegrass music. 447 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: Oh wait, talking about. 448 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: The mandolin, I'm talking about the mandolin, mandolin. My number 449 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: one song is focused on the mandolin, and it is iris. 450 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 5: No. 451 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: No, if it was Google Doll's Iris, its not like 452 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 2: that song. 453 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: You should just turn this off. I was gonna say 454 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 3: this off and go. That's only what I can think 455 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: of right now that that had mandolin in it. 456 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: Think about a band from Georgia. Think about a band 457 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: that other alternative bands look at as their inspiration. Kurt 458 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: Cobain even credited this band with being an inspiration to 459 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: never changing who you are and to continue experimenting. Think 460 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: about Athens, Georgia. I'm shocked, Brandon that you even when 461 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: I say Athens Georgia, it's not coming to you. 462 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: Widespread. They were not widespread. Panic. No. 463 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: This band had so many hits, but this one is 464 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: the one that launched them because it was played on 465 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: MTV so much. This band had a guy that I 466 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: really didn't know is having hair, but had hair in 467 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: the video and didn't have hair the rest of his career. 468 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: To me, keep going, keep going. The band is rim 469 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 2: The song is losing my religion. 470 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: Oh that's such a good one. 471 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety one. If you're trying to explain alternative music 472 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: to somebody in one song. It gets no more alternative 473 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: than this because this was before alternative music really became 474 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: so easy to package is grunge and you know, guitar tones. 475 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: This should not have worked. It was built around a mandolin. 476 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: Losing My Religion helped make popular alternative music popular. And 477 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: again this video, Michael Stipe had hair that was crazy 478 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: to me because I really only know Michael Stipe other 479 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: than this video and maybe shiny happy people looking at 480 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: it back in time as being bald. And the song 481 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: is not actually about religion. If you're from the South, 482 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: you may have heard that before Losing my Religion. It 483 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: is very much a Southern expression meaning you're kind of 484 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: at the end of Europe, you're losing your patients that 485 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: type thing. So number one is the most alternative, yet 486 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: least alternative based on what we've learned. It is ram 487 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: losing my religion. 488 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: Yes, Brandon, I can't believe I didn't connect those dots. 489 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: I feel like I walked it to it. 490 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 3: You did, And I have to admit I was very 491 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 3: I was so I was born in like eighty seven, Okay, 492 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: so first time I saw this video I was probably five, 493 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: and it's scared me for some reason when he was like, 494 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 3: that's me in the corner, that's me on the spot, 495 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 3: and he's like kind of like in the dark, and 496 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: like like, I don't know. 497 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you use your age as an 498 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: excuse because you are one of the better musicians that 499 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: I know, and you've written with pretty much. Have you 500 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: written Michael Stipe? I wish have you written with Bill Barry? No, okay, 501 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: I'll let it pass, okay. 502 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 3: But what I love about Arium as I grew as 503 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 3: I grew up, and I didn't even realize it focused 504 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 3: around the mandolin. That's so funny. 505 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 2: That's a mandolin. 506 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 3: I don't even think about that. But as I got older, 507 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 3: I respected Arim so much more, you know, like, uh, 508 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 3: it's the end of the world as we know it. 509 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: Like they they I realize, like, oh, they're like capable 510 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 3: of everything. 511 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: A very culture driven song, which you know that song 512 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: incorporates a lot of Andy Kaufman, you know, Andy Coffin dying. 513 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: They use that in the movie that Jim Carrey did. 514 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: About Andy Kaufman. What was that called my favorite movie ever? 515 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: Man on the Moon, Man on the Moon, Thank you 516 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: very much. The name of the song too, Thank You. 517 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 3: Athens, Georgia. 518 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: Did I say that? I think I said Adams Losing 519 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 2: my religion? 520 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: Everybody hurts. Who's crawling on top of all the cars 521 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: on the highway when the day is gone? 522 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: And then I. 523 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Played that song so much when I was like alone 524 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: and a loser, which is most of my life. 525 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 2: Shiny happy people, man on the moon. Yeah, it's the 526 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: end of the world. 527 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: This one goes out to the one eye Jam Drive 528 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: Orange Crush. 529 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: Once. 530 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: I went to an r em ACL live taping, so 531 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: it was back whenever. They had it on the campus 532 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: at the University of Texas, so there were probably eighty 533 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: people in there, and they only played their brand, brand, 534 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: brand new album at the time, and they played no hits. 535 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to stab my eye out with a fork. 536 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: They were also playing the ACL Music Festival and I 537 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: went to that and they only played their new album 538 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: no hits. If I'd had eyes left after the first stabbing, 539 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: I would have stabbed my eyes out with a fork 540 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: for the second. But my number one alternative song of 541 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: all time ram Losing My Religion. Now I did have one. 542 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: It was honorable mentioned. 543 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 3: Is this right here? 544 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: Let me show you this for those that aren't watching 545 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: on Netflix. This is a It's a canvas and on 546 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: it looks like a smushy circle and it's signed at 547 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: the bottom. Can you guys see that in the frame. 548 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: So this is the music file of County Crows mister Jones, 549 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: smushed up into a circle, and then Adam Durrett signed it. 550 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: And I have this because I bought it because I'm 551 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: such a Counting Crows fan. I never really hung it anywhere, 552 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: so it's just kind of square and weird, but I 553 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: put County Crows mister j It's a number eleven, just 554 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: because I love the count grow so much. 555 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 2: That's right. 556 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: And google Doll's iris since you guys thought that could 557 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: possibly be the number one alternative song because of Mandlin. 558 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: That's the only reason that's it. Thank you everybody. Those 559 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: are my top ten alternative songs ever. 560 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: And if you're new and you're watching this for the 561 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: first time, this is not my real hair. I suggest 562 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: you go back a couple episodes and see what my 563 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: real hair looks like, because it is a treat. I 564 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: got good hair. I just thought i'd wear this for 565 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: this show today. I could also repurpose this for ever 566 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: do like, whoa big thunder. We're about to have a storm, 567 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna get out of here. That was my 568 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: name in college, by the way, Big Thunder. Yeah, all right, 569 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: big Thunder and little Thunder. We're out of here. 570 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, 571 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 572 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: Okay, we're off Netflix now, and so now we'll talk 573 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: about the list. How did you feel about my selection 574 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: of Rim Losing my Religion is the number one greatest 575 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: alternative song of all time? 576 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's definitely your thing, Like, that's yours. 577 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 5: I mean, it's not the greatest of all time, but 578 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 5: it's yours. 579 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: But there is no greatest of all time. 580 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 5: You're kidding me, of course there is. 581 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: But there is no greatest of all time. Meaning that's 582 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: not a trophy that you can give something based on 583 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: any sort of hard factor data. It's all right, opinion, right. 584 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 5: It is. 585 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: It is. 586 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 5: And I think RAM would be in the back of 587 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 5: a lot of people's minds because I don't know. I 588 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 5: just feel like there are diehard Rim fans, but I 589 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 5: don't think anyone immediately goes to Ram as being the 590 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 5: number one all time alternative. 591 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: I think because people don't understand the root of alternative music. 592 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 5: You're right, You're right, yeah, And I don't think I 593 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 5: do either. Like to me, alternative music, I don't even 594 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 5: know where it started, Like, is grunge alternative? Yes, so 595 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 5: anything before grunge have been or guns n' Roses is 596 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 5: guns and Roses alternative? 597 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: That was metal, Yeah, that was actual metal. Like they 598 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: only named things after they became popular, so they didn't 599 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: have a name for it, and then people fit into it. 600 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: A sound becomes popular and. 601 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: Then for example, yacht rock, yeah, and that happened way later, 602 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: but that sound existed with all that music, and then 603 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: way later they were like, we'll just call this yacht 604 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: rock now without as big a time gap. The same 605 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: thing happened with alternative music. 606 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 5: And then where does it end in your mind? Because 607 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 5: like I feel like it could keep going all the way. 608 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: To it also has to be alternative from what the 609 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: mainstream is, which is why that name existed. It was 610 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: alternative from the guitar rock that was happening, the hair 611 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: band and it was absolutely alternative from any sort of 612 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: pop music for sure. 613 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: So that's where the label came from. And I think alternative. Probably, 614 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 2: I think. 615 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 5: It's still do you think it's still there? 616 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: I think now though, it is just so ever present 617 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: that if you're just a little different, it can be 618 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: called alternative. There's even country music that's alternative. 619 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 4: H h. 620 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 5: It's just funny because my kids call it like Dad's music. 621 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like we talked about dad rock in another. 622 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: Episode alternative is Dad's music. I thought some people would go, 623 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: h I am. And I like putting it at number 624 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: one because I think even Kurt Cobain credited Michael Stipe 625 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: for not like the guitar tone, but for the idea 626 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: of how different you can be and to stay committed. 627 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: Because never Mind wasn't their first album like I had 628 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: all so, I wasn't a Nirvana fan prior to never Mind. 629 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: I was a child. I was eleven and then I 630 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: came out. 631 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 5: And it was hard to discover music like that on 632 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 5: your own. 633 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: But I became a massive Nirvana fan of the music 634 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: prior to Nevermind. After I learned Nirvana and would listen 635 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: to the Bleach all those records, I'd find them, yeah, 636 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: or we download them on Napster. 637 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 5: Were you ever part of the bootleg culture. 638 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 2: The culture of Napster where you could get every eating 639 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: bootleg on a download. 640 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 5: See this was before I was part of the male bootleg. 641 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 5: Oh no, I wasn't like I will trade you my 642 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 5: bootleg for your bootleg of what bands? Pearl Jam and 643 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 5: they were all live, live shows from their very first 644 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 5: show in Seattle in nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety to 645 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 5: all the way to you know, like two thousands. 646 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 1: What would you have put as the number one alternative song? 647 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: I should say the greatest alternative song of all time. 648 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 5: I would put it have to be Pearl Jam for me. 649 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 2: You're not going to be wrong, I. 650 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 5: Know, but there's a lot of pressure because a lot 651 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 5: of really good alternative songs out there. I would put 652 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 5: Jeremy A live Pearl. 653 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: Jam so alive didn't make my list, but I love 654 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: that Pearl Jam major list, but Jeremy did. 655 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I loved how you described Jeremy. You were 656 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 5: spot on. You nailed it. Did you have to do research? 657 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 5: Did you know that was af from the dome? 658 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: It was only partly from the dome. If you were 659 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: to ask me, I think I would have messed up 660 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: with some of those facts. I knew it wasn't a 661 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: school shooting. 662 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people thought it was I 663 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 2: think I only didn't know that because you told me 664 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 2: that at one point. 665 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: But everything was research. So I go from the dome 666 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: on my list, and then I just want to make 667 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: sure I'm saying things right through research. 668 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,959 Speaker 5: So it's crazy because like when I first started listening 669 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 5: to Pearl Jam, I listened to all these songs and 670 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 5: just loved them for what they sounded like. It wasn't 671 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 5: ntil later and then I just kind of did research 672 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 5: on like, well, what does that even mean? Like Jeremy 673 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 5: spoke in class today, and then you started, you know, 674 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 5: really kind of deep diving into it, and like, dang, 675 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 5: that's deep stuff. Alive is deep, but well, I don't know. 676 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: I didn't go into that. 677 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 5: Live is not knowing his real his dad that he 678 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 5: thought was his dad is not his real dad? 679 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 2: Is that true? 680 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 5: Yeah? And then and then once finding that out, deciding 681 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 5: whether you're gonna you want to still live? 682 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: I'm still is it still a life? I'm still alive? 683 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 5: Yeah you should. 684 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: You should go back and listen to it knowing that, Yeah, 685 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 2: I think it would hit different. 686 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 5: It would definitely hit different. And then daughter too, I 687 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 5: mean daughter is no call. 688 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 2: Me daughter, don't daughter. I never know words, so it's 689 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: don't call me daughter, not fair too, not fair? Oh 690 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 2: that's what it says. Yeah, yeah, why what's that about? 691 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 5: So it's about a dad who's sexually assaulting his own 692 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 5: child and the child saying like, you don't deserve to 693 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 5: call me daughter. 694 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 2: I did not know that, did you know that? 695 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 5: No idea? So much of Pearl Jam. There was even 696 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 5: one that's like a later song. It's called I Got Id, 697 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 5: I Got ID and I Again And I just found 698 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 5: this out through a TikTok video of that song was 699 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 5: written in the perspective of one of his stalkers, one 700 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 5: of Edievedder stalkers. Dude, I mean the writing is so good. 701 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 5: Once you understand that, it's like, oh this is a 702 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 5: different Wow, this is a deep song. 703 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a massive Pearl Jam fan. 704 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 5: I love Pearl Jam. I love Eddie Vedder. I loved 705 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 5: just the way he writes and how he sounds when 706 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 5: he sings. I love the whole thing for you to. 707 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 2: Put Pearl Jam alive alive at once. 708 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I talked about it, but their first single 709 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: ever from that album was. 710 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 5: The very first single was alive. I feel like I 711 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 5: think too alive, then jorm me and then even flow. 712 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 2: No even second. 713 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 5: Okay, because you did say this in the video. 714 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah I did, and that yeah yeah yeah. 715 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 5: Because dude, we were so young when all that happened. Like, 716 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 5: as far as singles come, when they came out, I 717 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 5: had no idea. 718 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: Hey, Mike, how'd you feel about putting Green Day and 719 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 2: uh like I have a basketcase in the top ten 720 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 2: as one of the greatest alternative songs ever. You're a 721 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 2: punk guy, though. 722 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, I see it more as a punk song. I 723 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 6: don't see them as an alternative band. 724 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: Don't you feel that their brand of pop punk, though, 725 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 2: was so alternative because it went mainstream. Yeah, I guess. 726 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 6: Since it went so mainstream and they adds up on 727 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 6: the radio, I could see where you classify it as alternative. 728 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 6: But to me, they're a punk rock band through and 729 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 6: through me too, by the way, I think they are 730 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 6: a pun Agreed. 731 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 2: I think they're a punk band as well. 732 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: But I guess with my whenever I was like making 733 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: my list, if you did music to guitar, you made 734 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: rock songs and they became wildly popular. It was alternative 735 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: of what was being played that to me was alternative. 736 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: It really wasn't a vocal style, a guitar tone from Seattle. 737 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: So but I can understand when people will go, well, 738 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: green Day not alternative. I guess for the requirements of 739 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: my stupid list. How they did it and what they 740 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: did felt like alternative, and it was played alternative radio. 741 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, And then you look at the name alternative, right, 742 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 5: it's an alternative to what was being played. 743 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: In pop music and metal and guitar music. Sure, because 744 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 2: it was alternative hair metal. 745 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 5: At the beginning, yes, but even like later on, because 746 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 5: even talking about Coldplay, it's like Coldplay was an alternative 747 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 5: sound to what was happening at that time. Because Green 748 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 5: Day was an alternative sound. 749 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: People will look at Coldplay and go, that's alternative. That's 750 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: like hot a C that's like easy listening. 751 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 5: Now. 752 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: At the time when Coldplay came out, it was definitely 753 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 2: more say like symptomatic even I want to say orchestral, 754 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 2: but they had a lot of instruments. 755 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 5: It was hard to describe it was. 756 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: It was soft at times, so it almost was if 757 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: you had more than three soft songs, you can't be 758 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: alternative because every alternative record just I had like one ballance, right. 759 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 2: You couldn't really do it more maybe two? But yeah, 760 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: Coldplay was an alternative band. 761 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 5: I remember listening to the radio and I was in 762 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 5: like Houston at the time, and they were playing the 763 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 5: Strokes last Night, and then right after that was Yellow 764 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 5: and I remember specifically thinking, what what is this? 765 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 2: Like? 766 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 5: Hold on like whatever this sound is, it's different and 767 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 5: I like it. 768 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 2: It was a whole shift. 769 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like de verve bittersweet symphony, same deal, 770 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: complete shift. Does it sound soft now? But it was 771 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: rock but done again with orchestral instruments, and. 772 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 5: And that's how I felt too. Mike with Green Day, 773 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 5: same kind of feeling. When I heard basket Case for 774 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 5: the first time, it was just like, what that's so different? 775 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 5: What is that? You had? 776 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,760 Speaker 1: The hidden try with their harmonies. I was not by myself, 777 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: no one was looking. I was thinking of you did. 778 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 5: You discover this is my favorite on those because people 779 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 5: don't understand, like the kids don't understand hidden tracks on CDs, 780 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 5: which it's cool that they still have them on streaming. 781 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 5: So if you do stream that last song on the hidden. 782 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: First seventeen minute songs, yeah, you mean on greene eighth 783 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: you mean artists aren't making them now you're saying if 784 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: you go back, correct. 785 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 5: If you go back and listen to the original. It 786 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 5: was the end of our CD, and you sometimes you 787 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 5: would discover it because saying like, oh wow, that's seventeen 788 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 5: many we just. 789 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 2: Let it play. You forget to turn at all, or 790 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 2: that thing would start. 791 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 5: Do you remember if you discovered I was all by myself, 792 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 5: or did somebody. 793 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,879 Speaker 2: Tell you My cousin had my older cousin, I didn't 794 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 2: know that well, remember being in his house and he 795 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 2: had the album and he said, there's a song on 796 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 2: after the last song, and he would like push fast 797 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 2: forward down halfway, not full way, so you could fast 798 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 2: forward to CDC, wish it all the way, skipped the 799 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 2: next track, and if you sold it down a little bit, 800 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 2: it would hear the go fast forward and then it 801 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 2: came on same. 802 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 5: I had a friend of mine tell me about it. 803 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 2: Mike, would you have put a number one on the list? 804 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 6: I had to put Foo fighters ever long? 805 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 2: And I love food fighters. Yeah, and that wouldn't be wrong. 806 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 5: That's they're so impressive because just the idea of that. 807 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 5: Dave Groll was part of the beginning of alternative and 808 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 5: is now still part of alternative, still making music to 809 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 5: the highest level. It's pretty impressive. 810 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 2: Why would you have picked that song, Mike? 811 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 6: I think that's the best alternative rock song ever made. 812 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 6: Like every time I hear that song, it puts me 813 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 6: in a good mood. And they play that like every night, 814 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 6: and they crush it every single night. 815 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was like the sixth drummer for 816 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 2: I didn't know that really. I think turnover was high 817 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 2: in those bands. Yeah, first when you're making no money 818 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 2: and you're driving. 819 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 5: Around Parljium had had a drummer problem. They still have 820 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 5: a rummer problem. They just fired their drummer, or didn't 821 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 5: fire him, he quit And they're now in the process 822 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 5: of hiring a new drummer. At age what are how 823 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 5: old are they they're almost sixty. 824 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 2: Foo Fighters drummer Taylor Hawkins died. 825 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 5: I know who is their current drummer. 826 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: Well, they got a guy and then he ended up 827 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: quitting too, like a prolific drummer that played with a 828 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: lot of other bands. 829 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,240 Speaker 5: Josh Free. 830 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,879 Speaker 1: Oh Josh, he's not with them anymore right now, he's 831 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: out too. 832 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 2: But I didn't put any smashing bunkins. 833 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 5: In that's so such a big part of alternative music. 834 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 5: Battled it. 835 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: I was watching an interview with Billy Corgan where he 836 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: was talking about the first time that he heard that 837 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: album never Mind and smells like teen Spirit because the 838 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,240 Speaker 1: producer of that album is I want a Garbage which big? 839 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 2: But no? 840 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 3: The other guy? 841 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Butch though, right, he's won a garbage 842 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: Charlie Manson, he. 843 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 2: Is Butcher big. Who's the other Buch? I'm thinking of 844 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 2: the Dea Punk. I'm sure you're right. 845 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 5: I don't know, guys, who's it. 846 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 2: Like s R seven to one? Who's that? But it 847 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. 848 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,479 Speaker 5: What's our seven to one SR se one? That sounds 849 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 5: like a microphone? 850 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 2: Hold on, let me look at garbage garbage the band 851 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 2: you're you're You're probably right? It probably what's your big garbage? 852 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 2: The band it is Shirley Manson and Butch Big. You're right, 853 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 2: I play right, Butcher big, but big, Butcher big. 854 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 855 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: So he produced the record and he also was a 856 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: big Smashing Pumpkins guy. M Billy Corgan said, the first 857 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: time I heard it, I knew he stole my guitar 858 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: like it sound Oh no, but Billy Corgan thinks everybody 859 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 1: took everything from him. 860 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, he seems like an interesting fella. 861 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wonder if I'm tired, I'm stupid one 862 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 2: of the two. Do you ever like garbage? 863 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 5: Never got into garbage? 864 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 2: Stupid girl? 865 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 5: Yeah I know. 866 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm only happy when it rains. Yeah, I mean yeah, No, 867 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 2: what else the Butcher Big produce? 868 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 5: Did you get into? 869 00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 3: Hole? 870 00:43:59,760 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: No? 871 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 2: I felt like I knew like celebrities, celebrity skin. That's 872 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 2: pretty good. Not really, Courtney Corney Corney love, that was 873 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 2: that good? 874 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 5: Yeah? 875 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 2: She was good in the movie Handler. 876 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 5: Moon, Oh man in the Moon. No, you didn't think 877 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 5: she was good? 878 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 2: A man in the Unleah, she's fine. But she was 879 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 2: in the movie but Hustler, the guy that started Whustler. 880 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 2: She played like prostitute. 881 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 5: Oh Larry Flint, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, the world America 882 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 5: versus whatever. 883 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 2: I guess she was a pretty good actress. Butch Big 884 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,720 Speaker 2: produced albums. Let's see what he's got here, Nirvana's never Mind, 885 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 2: Smashing Pumpkins, Siamese, Dream Food, Fighters, Wasting Light. It just 886 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 2: goes to it. It's a ton sonic youth. 887 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 5: That's crazy. 888 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did it all, all right, Anyway, I just wanted. 889 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 5: Your feedback on that was fun. 890 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 2: What I didn't want to said, I war wig the 891 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 2: whole time. 892 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 5: I head hitched, dude. Honestly, it was almost like I 893 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 5: couldn't take you serious, but it didn't look bad like 894 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 5: it worked like you could off as someone to where 895 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 5: that's just your hair. 896 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 2: You haven't seen the wig, go to Netflix and you 897 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 2: can watch me do it on Netflix. Where for the 898 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 2: one we did last week where we did duets and 899 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 2: the one before that we did Garth Brooks, I wore 900 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 2: cowboy hat, which I don't wear cowboy hats. I also 901 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 2: don't have long hair. 902 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 5: I'm not a bad luck either. 903 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, I felt like people that were seeing it 904 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: and not knowing it was a joke were saying, you're 905 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: not a cowboy? Why are you posing? 906 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 5: Is it cut up? It's a joke. It's a joke. 907 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 2: I don't wear cowboy hat. 908 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 5: So are they saying that about the wig too? 909 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 2: Right now? I haven't posted one. 910 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,720 Speaker 5: You don't have long hair, man, you're not a metal head. 911 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 2: They haven't posted one yet. 912 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,720 Speaker 5: I don't know if you look more like Howard Stern 913 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 5: or like if you were in Bon Joviet. Haven't decided 914 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,280 Speaker 5: it yet. 915 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to look alternative. It did end up kind 916 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 2: of looking like White Snake. 917 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 5: It was wild like those dude all right. 918 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 2: Thank you guys for checking out the list, Thanks for listening, 919 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 2: Thanks for watching on Netflix, and we got another Good 920 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 2: Way coming up next week. 921 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.