Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Sean Merriman A one a
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Speaker 1: is Lights Out with Sean Merriman. Now, what's up, guys.
Speaker 1: We're back again with another Lights Out podcast with me
Speaker 1: Sean Merriman, and we're going golf today. Look, I know
Speaker 1: I post my golf swing on on Instagram from time
Speaker 1: in social media, and I know it's terrible, a little
Speaker 1: bit better than Charles Barkley, but I do enjoy going
Speaker 1: to the matches, especially the one that is coming up
Speaker 1: at the US Open here. Uh. And we got Patrick
Speaker 1: Cantley coming on. Um, just a hell of a player.
Speaker 1: Congratulations him to a for one at the Memorial That
Speaker 1: was awesome. Uh. And his next one up will be
Speaker 1: in a few weeks at Tory Pines. Now there's only
Speaker 1: about four or five golf courses I enjoy playing because
Speaker 1: I'm just terrible. I suck, period. I guess got tight shoulders,
Speaker 1: I'm too big, I'm a meat head. I lift weights.
Speaker 1: That's just what is it is what it is not
Speaker 1: that great at golf. Um. But we do have a
Speaker 1: great one coming up with Patrick Kenley, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into a little bit about what he has coming
Speaker 1: up with markets by go to mis Sacks. You also
Speaker 1: how he's filling up about in a few weeks Father's
Speaker 1: Day weekend. That Tory Pines one of my favorite golf
Speaker 1: course to go to and attend to. It gonna be
Speaker 1: a great weekend there. So Patrick Kenley, hushan, Hey, what's
Speaker 1: going on? I'm doing well. How are you good man?
Speaker 1: How about you? Yeah, I'm just in California, Gonna go
Speaker 1: down to Tory Pines Thursday Friday, So relaxing a little
Speaker 1: bit and then off to work. Man. Look, you know
Speaker 1: I played for the Charges in San Diego, so I
Speaker 1: only played a couple of courses a year. I'll play
Speaker 1: at I'll go to Tim Tebows event, I'll play in
Speaker 1: his charity golf thing he has in Jackson every Yet
Speaker 1: saw Grass. Obviously I'm a top golf expert. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a top golf expert. But Tory Pines, Man, Tory Pines,
Speaker 1: that's that's my course. I love. I love going out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a cool spots, really pretty and I'm sure it
Speaker 1: will be as difficult as they get it for the
Speaker 1: US for next week. It'll be fun. When do you
Speaker 1: when are you hitting down for that? I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: play a couple of times this week, UM, Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: and uh, then I'll come back up here to Newport
Speaker 1: Beach and then I'll probably head down on Monday and
Speaker 1: play nine holes Tuesday, nine holes Wednesday. So is that
Speaker 1: is that the normal? Because I always wonted that? Right
Speaker 1: when you guys travel, because you're you know, every weekend
Speaker 1: you're gone. So how many how many days before do
Speaker 1: you go before the actual you know, course happens like
Speaker 1: we used to go two days before our games? Right,
Speaker 1: so we play at East Coast, West Coast, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: wherever we go, we'll we'll go two days before our games.
Speaker 1: How many how many days before the actual match? When
Speaker 1: you go to the course and get get working. I
Speaker 1: think for a golf course that I've been to a
Speaker 1: bunch of times and may go just a couple of days,
Speaker 1: so play nine holes Tuesday, nine holes Wednesday, or the
Speaker 1: pro am Wednesday. UM usually travel on Monday, but for
Speaker 1: a major, especially because they'll usually set the golf course up.
Speaker 1: Different majors, like, for example, or a golf course that
Speaker 1: I hadn't been to before, I like to play at
Speaker 1: least a couple of rounds before tournament week, just to
Speaker 1: see it and get comfortable, and then travel on Monday
Speaker 1: and do my regular routine Tuesday Wednesday, play nine holes
Speaker 1: each and kind of treat it like a regular week,
Speaker 1: but get my work done before. So when I show
Speaker 1: up on Tuesday Wednesday, I'm just doing my normal deal
Speaker 1: and I don't have to really learn the golf course
Speaker 1: when I look at that. So like we're going and
Speaker 1: play you know, Kansas City, right, so I know we
Speaker 1: play the Chiefs. Back when I was playing, I would
Speaker 1: know exactly, like in December, what the field's gonna feel like, right,
Speaker 1: So I'll go there and i'll you know, run before
Speaker 1: the game or Friday or Saturday, whatever day we had
Speaker 1: to walk through, I'll change my clicks. I'll depending on
Speaker 1: you know, the length of the grass, with the grass
Speaker 1: feel like that day. Is it more wet as it dry?
Speaker 1: Is it the same? Is it the same type of
Speaker 1: deal for you in a way? It is? Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean every once a while you're doing an equipment change,
Speaker 1: depending on what the church's like or what the conditions
Speaker 1: are like, how firm or stoft it is. And I
Speaker 1: do think that like you said about running on the field.
Speaker 1: Just for me at least before I get there. Really
Speaker 1: tournament week, I want to know what it's going to
Speaker 1: feel like, what it's gonna be like, so I can
Speaker 1: have just the the least amount of new input going
Speaker 1: on in my brain, so I can just focus on
Speaker 1: me and my game and how I can visualize shots.
Speaker 1: And so if I already know where to hit the shots,
Speaker 1: now all I have to do is focus on visualizing
Speaker 1: and getting comfortable hitting those shots, then that's a lot easier.
Speaker 1: So for example, like these Majors, I'll try and play
Speaker 1: a couple of rounds before so I'm not surprised by
Speaker 1: any changes or tweets come tournament week. And it was
Speaker 1: at the same thing and Memorial, because you know you
Speaker 1: wanted it before, right, So I started looking at um
Speaker 1: and I talked to my my boy Jimmy Johnson about
Speaker 1: this whole But you know in NASCAR and he kills
Speaker 1: it at Fontana every year, right, So he got these
Speaker 1: certain tracks that he knows like the back of his hand,
Speaker 1: and you know, they got their systems set up and
Speaker 1: everything set up. What was it the same type of
Speaker 1: deal at a Memorial? Similar It's a golf course I
Speaker 1: feel really comfortable on, and they did a few renovations
Speaker 1: UH this last year, but a majority of the shots
Speaker 1: are UM pretty much unchanged, and so I do think
Speaker 1: there's something to being really comfortable around a particular golf course,
Speaker 1: and so you can see that in my scheduling every year.
Speaker 1: I tend to play similar golf courses, similar places every year,
Speaker 1: because I do think there's an advantage to UH having
Speaker 1: hit all the shots required and seeing all the different
Speaker 1: winds and conditions at a certain place. So I think
Speaker 1: it really does benefit me to go back to the
Speaker 1: same place as every year. And then if you have
Speaker 1: a place like Murfield Village where I feel comfortable, you know,
Speaker 1: that's even more of a bonus. So I have all
Speaker 1: those good feels and um, you know, it's easier to
Speaker 1: draw on those emotions, those good feelings and then visualize
Speaker 1: the shots and be like, well, I hit this exact
Speaker 1: shot to this whole location a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and being able to play that over and over in
Speaker 1: your head, all those good shots that you've hit makes
Speaker 1: it a little easier when the pressure is on it.
Speaker 1: I keep hearing you say like visualized and seen him
Speaker 1: before because it was it was something I always idea
Speaker 1: before I played. I would visualize having six, seven tackles,
Speaker 1: two sacks, force fumble, fumble recovery. But I also was
Speaker 1: working with a guy on the mental aspect of that.
Speaker 1: Have you have you worked with somebody, because I keep
Speaker 1: hearing you visually it's it's almost like I've I've heard
Speaker 1: you know the kind of steps to this process before.
Speaker 1: Have you worked with somebody like that. I'm curious. I
Speaker 1: haven't worked with anybody in particular on the mental side
Speaker 1: of things. But my coach, Jamie Mulligan is uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he definitely approached He's my my golf coach, swing coach,
Speaker 1: but he definitely looks at it very holistically. So every
Speaker 1: part of it's important, not just getting your swing in
Speaker 1: the right position, but you being able to feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: And he is very good. Uh, he's very good at
Speaker 1: taking up what he likes to say as a macro approach.
Speaker 1: So it's all very important. It's not just about where
Speaker 1: your swing, where your club positions are. And I've been
Speaker 1: working with him since I was nine years old, so
Speaker 1: I think, uh, a lot of how I approached the game,
Speaker 1: uh is through his wisdom that he's been uh, you know,
Speaker 1: putting in my years since I was a little good.
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Speaker 1: Search f s R to listen live. Does you guys
Speaker 1: relationship change like over the years? Like my my high
Speaker 1: school coaches, my boys and girls club coaches, I still
Speaker 1: called them, you know, coach, and I still look at
Speaker 1: the same way no matter how old I get. Have
Speaker 1: you guys relationships kind of changed over the years. And
Speaker 1: because he's seen you at nine years old and now
Speaker 1: you know, you've kind of grown up. And how how
Speaker 1: has that relationship been over the years. Yeah, Well he
Speaker 1: ran the country club my grandpa was a member at
Speaker 1: and I kind of was fortunate enough to grow up
Speaker 1: at and so I was a lot more scared of
Speaker 1: him when I was nine than I am now. But
Speaker 1: it is interesting, you know, Uh, we have become great friends.
Speaker 1: And you know before he was definitely very much a
Speaker 1: mentor and an authority figure um running the country club,
Speaker 1: and you know, we he would tell me what to
Speaker 1: do and I would just do it. And I think
Speaker 1: as we've gotten older, we work a lot more together.
Speaker 1: And I think that's just the natural progression of of
Speaker 1: me getting older and us becoming very good friends that
Speaker 1: also work together at a high level. Do you have
Speaker 1: any other mentors, like kind of guys that you watch
Speaker 1: growing up, because one thing I see, especially you know
Speaker 1: you guys, it's more of an individual sport for you.
Speaker 1: But you know, a football like the Half of Mighty
Speaker 1: taking onto your wing. And I looked up to Ray Lewis,
Speaker 1: I looked up, you know, to these to these players,
Speaker 1: I mean, anybody kind of take you on a day
Speaker 1: way when you were at young coming up. For sure,
Speaker 1: growing up at Virginia Pency Club, there were a number
Speaker 1: of players that Jamie worked with, John Merrick and John Mallinger,
Speaker 1: Peter Thomas Huo, and John Cook. John Cook probably being
Speaker 1: the most famous of those guys. He won a number
Speaker 1: of times on tour, more than more than ten times
Speaker 1: on tour. And so I'll still trade text with Cookie,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, definitely when I first came out
Speaker 1: and was starting to play some of the golf courses,
Speaker 1: that asked him what he thought of the golf courses
Speaker 1: and ask him how he approached um, you know, certain holes,
Speaker 1: and so growing up, all four of them were extremely
Speaker 1: welcoming and always open about sharing any little bit of
Speaker 1: information that could help me. And so I first started
Speaker 1: playing UM p J cour evince when I was maybe nineteen,
Speaker 1: I was still in college. I would get some sponsor exemptions,
Speaker 1: and I can't tell you how much easier it was
Speaker 1: going to a tournament and John Merrick would be there
Speaker 1: or John Mallinger would be there and they'd be like,
Speaker 1: come on, we'll play I practice round and they kind
Speaker 1: of showed me around, and uh, it felt so much
Speaker 1: more like normal because we played at home all the time. Uh,
Speaker 1: even though now I was out on playing PJ Tour events.
Speaker 1: And so I can't thank them enough. I feel like
Speaker 1: they really accelerated my ability to feel comfortable out there.
Speaker 1: And and none of those guys did like, look at
Speaker 1: you as competition, because I know some time you're coming up.
Speaker 1: I mean you're you know, you started nine years old,
Speaker 1: you got hot pretty early, Like you're going to be
Speaker 1: competition for some of these guys. Have you ranted anybody
Speaker 1: that was like, no, I'm not I'm not helping you,
Speaker 1: damn with that kind of kind of the attitude and
Speaker 1: everybody was cool about it. Most most of them were
Speaker 1: really cool most, I said, you said most, And yeah,
Speaker 1: there's somebody. Yeah. Uh, you know, Mallinger can get a
Speaker 1: little a little upset sometimes if you beat them, if
Speaker 1: you beat them too often, but uh, he's he's very competitive.
Speaker 1: But no, in general, they treated me like like their
Speaker 1: little brother. And uh, you know, I, like I said,
Speaker 1: I can't thank him enough. And there's you know, I
Speaker 1: always kind of treated us. If I can learn a
Speaker 1: little something from someone else, I mean, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: advantage of it. So uh and that's true today even
Speaker 1: with with some of my buddies. You know, I'm really
Speaker 1: good buddies with Xander. And if I can learn something
Speaker 1: from him just from picking his brain, I mean I
Speaker 1: will and and I'll take his brain if I can.
Speaker 1: Um uh. And so you know, I think that's part
Speaker 1: of I think that's part of golf. Some of the
Speaker 1: best players hanging together, and I really truly believe they
Speaker 1: make each other better just from being around each other
Speaker 1: all the time. No, absolutely, So Father's Day is coming up, right,
Speaker 1: it's the same, It's the same weekeness is Tory Pots.
Speaker 1: I know you and your dad Man, you guys have
Speaker 1: a great and close relationship. I gotta let me your
Speaker 1: old boy. So, um, this Father's Day for me is
Speaker 1: coming up. It's gonna be special. But how is that
Speaker 1: gonna be for you? Man? If you can get that
Speaker 1: w on Father's Day, you know that would be nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be very special, especially being relatively close to home. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure my my mom and dad will be there
Speaker 1: on the weekend. And you know, my dad was such
Speaker 1: an influential um person, definitely in my in my junior
Speaker 1: golf days and college golf days growing up. Uh, he
Speaker 1: taught me the right way to go about it, and
Speaker 1: he was a really good player himself, and he spent
Speaker 1: a ton of time, you know, taking me to lessons,
Speaker 1: taking me to the golf course, taking me to tournaments
Speaker 1: on the weekend. A lot of times they were an
Speaker 1: hour to drive away, and so, uh they were really
Speaker 1: special times, you know, driving a couple hours to a
Speaker 1: golf tournament, just my dad and I and then we'd
Speaker 1: go play practice round. Sometimes he'd play, sometimes he'd just
Speaker 1: kind of uh show me how to how to go
Speaker 1: around in a practice round, and then uh we'd play
Speaker 1: the tournament and drive home. And so those are really
Speaker 1: special times. I think I probably took it for granted
Speaker 1: when I was little, um, but I mean those you know,
Speaker 1: he spent Friday, Saturday, Sunday with me a lot, spending
Speaker 1: his whole weekend taking me to golf tournaments, and that
Speaker 1: was obviously huge in my development. That's awesome, man. The
Speaker 1: last thing, and I'll let you go tell me about
Speaker 1: Marcus about Goldman Sacks. You guys got this year, the
Speaker 1: second year working working with them, right, yes, my second
Speaker 1: year working with the Marcus by Goldman Sacks. And how
Speaker 1: I tried to explain it is, I try and put
Speaker 1: the best possible team around me, um to succeed out
Speaker 1: on the golf course. And so whether that's the right
Speaker 1: coach or trainer, um, you know, putting coach or short
Speaker 1: and coach, whatever it is. And Marcus by Golden Sacks
Speaker 1: is no different. I feel like they helped me in
Speaker 1: every possible way they can. And they are such a
Speaker 1: great uh financial advisor and they make they make managing
Speaker 1: your money so simple and so um. That's a big
Speaker 1: part of everybody's life is being able to be in
Speaker 1: control of their finances. And so you know, they've just
Speaker 1: been a great partner to me, and they're great people
Speaker 1: and they're excellent what they do, and so it's been
Speaker 1: a great partnership and I'm really happy and proud to
Speaker 1: represent them. Awesome on man, Wait, good luck at Tory Pines.
Speaker 1: Don't be shocked if you look up and you see
Speaker 1: six five pound uh big dude over there with tattoo
Speaker 1: staying in the corner. I love that place, Manda, what's
Speaker 1: you'all the best a few weeks? Thanks very much. I
Speaker 1: appreciate Sean. Thanks guys for listening to another lights Out podcast.
Speaker 1: Me Shawn Merriman, and uh, I really appreciate Patrick for
Speaker 1: coming on. Um much much much luck to him coming
Speaker 1: up to the US Open, and Tory Pond is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite golf courses to go to, not just
Speaker 1: because it's okay, all right, I'm a little by San Diego. Anyway,
Speaker 1: good luck to him. Father's Day week is coming up.
Speaker 1: His dad's gonna be there. I know he's gonna put
Speaker 1: on the show. Uh So, anyway, thank you guys listening
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