WEBVTT - PGA Pro Patrick Cantlay Discusses The Upcoming U.S Open, Winning The Memorial & How Visualization Helps Him On The Course

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready for this? Sean Merriman A one a

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<v Speaker 1>hand effect. Boom boom boom, out go the light. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Lights Out with Sean Merriman. Now, what's up, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back again with another Lights Out podcast with me

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Merriman, and we're going golf today. Look, I know

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<v Speaker 1>I post my golf swing on on Instagram from time

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<v Speaker 1>in social media, and I know it's terrible, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit better than Charles Barkley, but I do enjoy going

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<v Speaker 1>to the matches, especially the one that is coming up

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<v Speaker 1>at the US Open here. Uh. And we got Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>Cantley coming on. Um, just a hell of a player.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations him to a for one at the Memorial That

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<v Speaker 1>was awesome. Uh. And his next one up will be

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<v Speaker 1>in a few weeks at Tory Pines. Now there's only

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<v Speaker 1>about four or five golf courses I enjoy playing because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just terrible. I suck, period. I guess got tight shoulders,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm too big, I'm a meat head. I lift weights.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just what is it is what it is not

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<v Speaker 1>that great at golf. Um. But we do have a

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<v Speaker 1>great one coming up with Patrick Kenley, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get into a little bit about what he has coming

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<v Speaker 1>up with markets by go to mis Sacks. You also

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<v Speaker 1>how he's filling up about in a few weeks Father's

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<v Speaker 1>Day weekend. That Tory Pines one of my favorite golf

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<v Speaker 1>course to go to and attend to. It gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a great weekend there. So Patrick Kenley, hushan, Hey, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? I'm doing well. How are you good man?

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<v Speaker 1>How about you? Yeah, I'm just in California, Gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>down to Tory Pines Thursday Friday, So relaxing a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit and then off to work. Man. Look, you know

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<v Speaker 1>I played for the Charges in San Diego, so I

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<v Speaker 1>only played a couple of courses a year. I'll play

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<v Speaker 1>at I'll go to Tim Tebows event, I'll play in

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<v Speaker 1>his charity golf thing he has in Jackson every Yet

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<v Speaker 1>saw Grass. Obviously I'm a top golf expert. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a top golf expert. But Tory Pines, Man, Tory Pines,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's my course. I love. I love going out there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a cool spots, really pretty and I'm sure it

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<v Speaker 1>will be as difficult as they get it for the

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<v Speaker 1>US for next week. It'll be fun. When do you

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<v Speaker 1>when are you hitting down for that? I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>play a couple of times this week, UM, Thursday, Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, then I'll come back up here to Newport

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<v Speaker 1>Beach and then I'll probably head down on Monday and

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<v Speaker 1>play nine holes Tuesday, nine holes Wednesday. So is that

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<v Speaker 1>is that the normal? Because I always wonted that? Right

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<v Speaker 1>when you guys travel, because you're you know, every weekend

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<v Speaker 1>you're gone. So how many how many days before do

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<v Speaker 1>you go before the actual you know, course happens like

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<v Speaker 1>we used to go two days before our games? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so we play at East Coast, West Coast, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>wherever we go, we'll we'll go two days before our games.

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<v Speaker 1>How many how many days before the actual match? When

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<v Speaker 1>you go to the course and get get working. I

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<v Speaker 1>think for a golf course that I've been to a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of times and may go just a couple of days,

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<v Speaker 1>so play nine holes Tuesday, nine holes Wednesday, or the

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<v Speaker 1>pro am Wednesday. UM usually travel on Monday, but for

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<v Speaker 1>a major, especially because they'll usually set the golf course up.

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<v Speaker 1>Different majors, like, for example, or a golf course that

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't been to before, I like to play at

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<v Speaker 1>least a couple of rounds before tournament week, just to

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<v Speaker 1>see it and get comfortable, and then travel on Monday

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<v Speaker 1>and do my regular routine Tuesday Wednesday, play nine holes

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<v Speaker 1>each and kind of treat it like a regular week,

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<v Speaker 1>but get my work done before. So when I show

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<v Speaker 1>up on Tuesday Wednesday, I'm just doing my normal deal

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't have to really learn the golf course

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<v Speaker 1>when I look at that. So like we're going and

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<v Speaker 1>play you know, Kansas City, right, so I know we

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<v Speaker 1>play the Chiefs. Back when I was playing, I would

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly, like in December, what the field's gonna feel like, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll go there and i'll you know, run before

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<v Speaker 1>the game or Friday or Saturday, whatever day we had

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<v Speaker 1>to walk through, I'll change my clicks. I'll depending on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the length of the grass, with the grass

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that day. Is it more wet as it dry?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the same? Is it the same type of

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<v Speaker 1>deal for you in a way? It is? Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean every once a while you're doing an equipment change,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on what the church's like or what the conditions

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<v Speaker 1>are like, how firm or stoft it is. And I

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<v Speaker 1>do think that like you said about running on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Just for me at least before I get there. Really

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<v Speaker 1>tournament week, I want to know what it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, what it's gonna be like, so I can

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<v Speaker 1>have just the the least amount of new input going

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<v Speaker 1>on in my brain, so I can just focus on

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<v Speaker 1>me and my game and how I can visualize shots.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if I already know where to hit the shots,

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<v Speaker 1>now all I have to do is focus on visualizing

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<v Speaker 1>and getting comfortable hitting those shots, then that's a lot easier.

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<v Speaker 1>So for example, like these Majors, I'll try and play

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of rounds before so I'm not surprised by

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<v Speaker 1>any changes or tweets come tournament week. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>at the same thing and Memorial, because you know you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it before, right, So I started looking at um

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<v Speaker 1>and I talked to my my boy Jimmy Johnson about

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<v Speaker 1>this whole But you know in NASCAR and he kills

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<v Speaker 1>it at Fontana every year, right, So he got these

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<v Speaker 1>certain tracks that he knows like the back of his hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, they got their systems set up and

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<v Speaker 1>everything set up. What was it the same type of

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<v Speaker 1>deal at a Memorial? Similar It's a golf course I

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<v Speaker 1>feel really comfortable on, and they did a few renovations

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<v Speaker 1>UH this last year, but a majority of the shots

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<v Speaker 1>are UM pretty much unchanged, and so I do think

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<v Speaker 1>there's something to being really comfortable around a particular golf course,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you can see that in my scheduling every year.

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to play similar golf courses, similar places every year,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do think there's an advantage to UH having

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<v Speaker 1>hit all the shots required and seeing all the different

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<v Speaker 1>winds and conditions at a certain place. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>it really does benefit me to go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>same place as every year. And then if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a place like Murfield Village where I feel comfortable, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's even more of a bonus. So I have all

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<v Speaker 1>those good feels and um, you know, it's easier to

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<v Speaker 1>draw on those emotions, those good feelings and then visualize

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<v Speaker 1>the shots and be like, well, I hit this exact

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<v Speaker 1>shot to this whole location a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to play that over and over in

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<v Speaker 1>your head, all those good shots that you've hit makes

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<v Speaker 1>it a little easier when the pressure is on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep hearing you say like visualized and seen him

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<v Speaker 1>before because it was it was something I always idea

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<v Speaker 1>before I played. I would visualize having six, seven tackles,

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<v Speaker 1>two sacks, force fumble, fumble recovery. But I also was

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<v Speaker 1>working with a guy on the mental aspect of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you have you worked with somebody, because I keep

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<v Speaker 1>hearing you visually it's it's almost like I've I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>you know the kind of steps to this process before.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you worked with somebody like that. I'm curious. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't worked with anybody in particular on the mental side

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<v Speaker 1>of things. But my coach, Jamie Mulligan is uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he definitely approached He's my my golf coach, swing coach,

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<v Speaker 1>but he definitely looks at it very holistically. So every

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<v Speaker 1>part of it's important, not just getting your swing in

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<v Speaker 1>the right position, but you being able to feel comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>And he is very good. Uh, he's very good at

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<v Speaker 1>taking up what he likes to say as a macro approach.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's all very important. It's not just about where

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<v Speaker 1>your swing, where your club positions are. And I've been

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<v Speaker 1>working with him since I was nine years old, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think, uh, a lot of how I approached the game,

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<v Speaker 1>uh is through his wisdom that he's been uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>putting in my years since I was a little good.

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<v Speaker 1>relationship change like over the years? Like my my high

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<v Speaker 1>school coaches, my boys and girls club coaches, I still

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<v Speaker 1>called them, you know, coach, and I still look at

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<v Speaker 1>the same way no matter how old I get. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you guys relationships kind of changed over the years. And

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<v Speaker 1>because he's seen you at nine years old and now

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you've kind of grown up. And how how

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<v Speaker 1>has that relationship been over the years. Yeah, Well he

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<v Speaker 1>ran the country club my grandpa was a member at

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<v Speaker 1>and I kind of was fortunate enough to grow up

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<v Speaker 1>at and so I was a lot more scared of

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<v Speaker 1>him when I was nine than I am now. But

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<v Speaker 1>it is interesting, you know, Uh, we have become great friends.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know before he was definitely very much a

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<v Speaker 1>mentor and an authority figure um running the country club,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we he would tell me what to

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<v Speaker 1>do and I would just do it. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>as we've gotten older, we work a lot more together.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's just the natural progression of of

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<v Speaker 1>me getting older and us becoming very good friends that

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<v Speaker 1>also work together at a high level. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any other mentors, like kind of guys that you watch

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, because one thing I see, especially you know

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, it's more of an individual sport for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, a football like the Half of Mighty

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<v Speaker 1>taking onto your wing. And I looked up to Ray Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>I looked up, you know, to these to these players,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, anybody kind of take you on a day

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<v Speaker 1>way when you were at young coming up. For sure,

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<v Speaker 1>growing up at Virginia Pency Club, there were a number

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<v Speaker 1>of players that Jamie worked with, John Merrick and John Mallinger,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Thomas Huo, and John Cook. John Cook probably being

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous of those guys. He won a number

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<v Speaker 1>of times on tour, more than more than ten times

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<v Speaker 1>on tour. And so I'll still trade text with Cookie,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, definitely when I first came out

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<v Speaker 1>and was starting to play some of the golf courses,

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<v Speaker 1>that asked him what he thought of the golf courses

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<v Speaker 1>and ask him how he approached um, you know, certain holes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so growing up, all four of them were extremely

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<v Speaker 1>welcoming and always open about sharing any little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>information that could help me. And so I first started

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<v Speaker 1>playing UM p J cour evince when I was maybe nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I was still in college. I would get some sponsor exemptions,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't tell you how much easier it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to a tournament and John Merrick would be there

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<v Speaker 1>or John Mallinger would be there and they'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, we'll play I practice round and they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of showed me around, and uh, it felt so much

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<v Speaker 1>more like normal because we played at home all the time. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>even though now I was out on playing PJ Tour events.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I can't thank them enough. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they really accelerated my ability to feel comfortable out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And and none of those guys did like, look at

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<v Speaker 1>you as competition, because I know some time you're coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you're you know, you started nine years old,

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<v Speaker 1>you got hot pretty early, Like you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>competition for some of these guys. Have you ranted anybody

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<v Speaker 1>that was like, no, I'm not I'm not helping you,

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<v Speaker 1>damn with that kind of kind of the attitude and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was cool about it. Most most of them were

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<v Speaker 1>really cool most, I said, you said most, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's somebody. Yeah. Uh, you know, Mallinger can get a

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<v Speaker 1>little a little upset sometimes if you beat them, if

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<v Speaker 1>you beat them too often, but uh, he's he's very competitive.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, in general, they treated me like like their

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<v Speaker 1>little brother. And uh, you know, I, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't thank him enough. And there's you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>always kind of treated us. If I can learn a

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<v Speaker 1>little something from someone else, I mean, I'm gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of it. So uh and that's true today even

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<v Speaker 1>with with some of my buddies. You know, I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>good buddies with Xander. And if I can learn something

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<v Speaker 1>from him just from picking his brain, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>will and and I'll take his brain if I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Um uh. And so you know, I think that's part

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<v Speaker 1>of I think that's part of golf. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>best players hanging together, and I really truly believe they

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<v Speaker 1>make each other better just from being around each other

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. No, absolutely, So Father's Day is coming up, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same, It's the same weekeness is Tory Pots.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you and your dad Man, you guys have

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<v Speaker 1>a great and close relationship. I gotta let me your

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<v Speaker 1>old boy. So, um, this Father's Day for me is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. It's gonna be special. But how is that

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be for you? Man? If you can get that

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<v Speaker 1>w on Father's Day, you know that would be nice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>be very special, especially being relatively close to home. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure my my mom and dad will be there

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<v Speaker 1>on the weekend. And you know, my dad was such

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<v Speaker 1>an influential um person, definitely in my in my junior

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<v Speaker 1>golf days and college golf days growing up. Uh, he

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<v Speaker 1>taught me the right way to go about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was a really good player himself, and he spent

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of time, you know, taking me to lessons,

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<v Speaker 1>taking me to the golf course, taking me to tournaments

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<v Speaker 1>on the weekend. A lot of times they were an

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<v Speaker 1>hour to drive away, and so, uh they were really

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<v Speaker 1>special times, you know, driving a couple hours to a

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<v Speaker 1>golf tournament, just my dad and I and then we'd

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<v Speaker 1>go play practice round. Sometimes he'd play, sometimes he'd just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of uh show me how to how to go

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<v Speaker 1>around in a practice round, and then uh we'd play

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<v Speaker 1>the tournament and drive home. And so those are really

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<v Speaker 1>special times. I think I probably took it for granted

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<v Speaker 1>when I was little, um, but I mean those you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he spent Friday, Saturday, Sunday with me a lot, spending

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<v Speaker 1>his whole weekend taking me to golf tournaments, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was obviously huge in my development. That's awesome, man. The

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<v Speaker 1>last thing, and I'll let you go tell me about

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus about Goldman Sacks. You guys got this year, the

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<v Speaker 1>second year working working with them, right, yes, my second

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<v Speaker 1>year working with the Marcus by Goldman Sacks. And how

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to explain it is, I try and put

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<v Speaker 1>the best possible team around me, um to succeed out

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<v Speaker 1>on the golf course. And so whether that's the right

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<v Speaker 1>coach or trainer, um, you know, putting coach or short

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<v Speaker 1>and coach, whatever it is. And Marcus by Golden Sacks

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<v Speaker 1>is no different. I feel like they helped me in

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<v Speaker 1>every possible way they can. And they are such a

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<v Speaker 1>great uh financial advisor and they make they make managing

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<v Speaker 1>your money so simple and so um. That's a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of everybody's life is being able to be in

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<v Speaker 1>control of their finances. And so you know, they've just

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<v Speaker 1>been a great partner to me, and they're great people

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<v Speaker 1>and they're excellent what they do, and so it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a great partnership and I'm really happy and proud to

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<v Speaker 1>represent them. Awesome on man, Wait, good luck at Tory Pines.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be shocked if you look up and you see

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<v Speaker 1>six five pound uh big dude over there with tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>staying in the corner. I love that place, Manda, what's

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<v Speaker 1>you'all the best a few weeks? Thanks very much. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate Sean. Thanks guys for listening to another lights Out podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Me Shawn Merriman, and uh, I really appreciate Patrick for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on. Um much much much luck to him coming

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<v Speaker 1>up to the US Open, and Tory Pond is one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite golf courses to go to, not just

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<v Speaker 1>because it's okay, all right, I'm a little by San Diego. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>good luck to him. Father's Day week is coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>His dad's gonna be there. I know he's gonna put

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. Uh So, anyway, thank you guys listening

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<v Speaker 1>to another lights Out podcast. Me Sean Merriman. Keep listening,

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<v Speaker 1>keep leaving those great reviews. I keep checking them out

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing them. I trying to respond to you guys

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<v Speaker 1>as much as possible to. The subscriptions are going crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>uh mainly because of you guys, so I appreciate on

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<v Speaker 1>the support. We'll be back again with another one next week.