Speaker 1: Hey, there, folks, it is Sunday, November the ninth. Then
Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell in her own words, but some folks are
Speaker 1: pissed we are hearing these words at all, and with that,
Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and Tjbes.
Speaker 2: She just won't go away.
Speaker 3: I mean, we people can't get enough.
Speaker 1: This wasn't supposed, This isn't even a feel like it
Speaker 1: would be a big deal, But it's making headlines because
Speaker 1: Galaine Maxwell's personal emails have now made it out into
Speaker 1: the public. And this is some fascinating stuff, including she
Speaker 1: was keeping an eye on Biddy's trial as well. Just
Speaker 1: one of the funny I say, funny but interesting little
Speaker 1: things in her emails.
Speaker 4: Look, there's so much mystery surrounding her, her role in
Speaker 4: the whole Jeffrey Epstein scandal. She's denied any involvement in
Speaker 4: any criminal activity, but certainly we have so many of
Speaker 4: these young women saying very different things. And obviously she
Speaker 4: was found guilty, convicted, spending twenty years behind bars. She
Speaker 4: is a convicted period, Yes, a convicted child molester or
Speaker 4: you know, she is the worst of the worst and
Speaker 4: not a woman that most people want in this low
Speaker 4: security prison camp.
Speaker 1: So to speak and can she be the only she
Speaker 1: is a type of offender like this at that place.
Speaker 1: People in there for financial.
Speaker 4: Crime, nonviolent offenders at this facility. And so a lot
Speaker 4: has been leaked about what her life is like, the
Speaker 4: treatment she's getting, and there are now allegations about special treatment,
Speaker 4: VIP treatment, and certainly her just being in that facility
Speaker 4: in and of itself hasn't been.
Speaker 3: Hasn't been answered, it's.
Speaker 1: Never been explained. Never she did the interviews that weekend,
Speaker 1: she got moved and.
Speaker 2: That's the end of the story.
Speaker 4: And when you hear how she describes where she is now,
Speaker 4: it's gonna piss people off because and it's certainly pissing
Speaker 4: off the other inmates who have spoken and though and
Speaker 4: a few who have spoken out have been moved, have
Speaker 4: been have been taken out of this apparently posh facility
Speaker 4: and moved to harsher facilities. So people inside the prison
Speaker 4: now are afraid to even talk about what it's like
Speaker 4: with her there, how she's being treated, what they've witnessed,
Speaker 4: what they've noticed, And so now there is some real
Speaker 4: there are some real questions by Congress and.
Speaker 3: They have, yes, they've gotten their hands on these emails.
Speaker 1: You said, allegations about like special treatment or suggestions about
Speaker 1: how nice the place is or whatever. Oh she is
Speaker 1: confirmed it now, she has explained in these emails. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go pretty good here.
Speaker 4: Yes, so my situation is improved by being at Brian.
Speaker 4: But I wanted to read this one was sent in August,
Speaker 4: so shortly after she was moved.
Speaker 1: Again, how we explained how we're getting these. Essentially, this
Speaker 1: is about a congressional investigation.
Speaker 4: Congressional investigation, so they were able to somehow, and we
Speaker 4: don't know how they got their hands on her private
Speaker 4: personal emails, but somehow NBC News did as well. So
Speaker 4: NBC News is now releasing the contents of these emails,
Speaker 4: much to the chagrin of her lawyer and her family
Speaker 4: members who were writing these emails back and forth with her.
Speaker 4: They're extremely upset about it. And but man, they do
Speaker 4: lift the veil and they are fascinating.
Speaker 1: Do I have right though you're not. Are you entitled
Speaker 1: to any privacy as a federal inmate? Don't they monitor
Speaker 1: all your phone calls? Don't they monitor everything you do electronically?
Speaker 1: This is not necessarily a VI excuse I'm saying, what
Speaker 1: a suggestion they monitor you so correct, they might be.
Speaker 4: Pissed, but exactly, and everything as an inmate, you know
Speaker 4: you do say is obviously subject to being heard, recorded,
Speaker 4: acknowledged and used against you. I mean, that's just that's prison,
Speaker 4: one on one. Not that I would know, but I
Speaker 4: would think if you were an inmate, you should know
Speaker 4: that by now. I want some privacy here, please, I'd
Speaker 4: like to have a private phone call. Yes, And I
Speaker 4: do believe if you're speaking to your lawyer. I don't
Speaker 4: know if there's some sort of privilege there, but if
Speaker 4: you're putting it in an email using a prison computer,
Speaker 4: I do think you might lose that benefit.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: This is from Glene to one of her relatives. They
Speaker 4: didn't distinguish which one sent on August eighth. Brian is
Speaker 4: a different beast in every possible respet It is a
Speaker 4: well managed, well run institution with an excellent warden who
Speaker 4: leads from the top. She is a true professional and
Speaker 4: the best representative of the BOP I have met.
Speaker 3: The food is.
Speaker 4: Legions better, the place is clean, the staff responsive and polite.
Speaker 3: This is my favorite.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen or heard the usual foul language or
Speaker 4: screaming accompanied by threats leveled at inmates by anyone. I
Speaker 4: have not seen a single fight, drug deal, passed out person,
Speaker 4: or naked inmate running around, or several of them congregating
Speaker 4: in a shower exclamation point. In other words, I feel
Speaker 4: like I have dropped through Alice in Wonderland's looking glass.
Speaker 4: I am much happier here and more importantly safe. So yes,
Speaker 4: everyone can breathe a sigh.
Speaker 2: That sounds better than our apartment building. Jesus. Every once
Speaker 2: in a round we see a naked dude outside.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: And you know what, when people really reacted to that,
Speaker 4: they got even more upset when they read another email
Speaker 4: to her attorney.
Speaker 3: So this one is to Maxwell's attorney. This was just
Speaker 3: in September.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm cure, how does that work?
Speaker 1: A correspondence between her and her attorney yep, is put
Speaker 1: out publicly yep, and me as doesn't matter. They're not
Speaker 1: discussing a legal case, is it okay?
Speaker 2: I wonder?
Speaker 4: No, they are discussing how they're handling their legal case, though,
Speaker 4: which is interesting. So, and that's why this has This
Speaker 4: email in particular, has drawn the ire of a lot
Speaker 4: of folks and has some members of Congress asking more
Speaker 4: questions and wanting more answers, so Glaine writes to her
Speaker 4: attorney September sixteenth. Hello, I spoke to the warden about
Speaker 4: the problem with the mail, telling her the documents have
Speaker 4: not arrived yet. We're now on day seven. I explained,
Speaker 4: we have a deadline that hinges on the Supreme Court,
Speaker 4: and I was hoping to have two turns of the
Speaker 4: document before it files with the court, possibly as soon
Speaker 4: as the end of the month.
Speaker 3: Her creative solution.
Speaker 4: Was that you em scan it to her and she
Speaker 4: will scan back my changes exclamation point. Of course, that
Speaker 4: is fantastic as it saves us days and days. I
Speaker 4: assume you're fine with this. So criminal defense attorney's point,
Speaker 4: who have clients in that same facility at FPC. Brian says,
Speaker 4: this should never happen. The warden does not help inmates
Speaker 4: figure out issues with correspondence with legal briefings or.
Speaker 3: With your lawyers.
Speaker 4: So he said it like this, It would be like
Speaker 4: the head of a large corporation of a manufacturing plant
Speaker 4: regularly having contact with people on the assembly line.
Speaker 3: He just doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: You would call that person a good CEO.
Speaker 1: Good CEOs hands on one of the people. I don't
Speaker 1: know this warden at all as a woman, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's slaves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know at all.
Speaker 1: Now, the one you read previous almost sounded like she
Speaker 1: wanted it to get out publicly.
Speaker 2: She was praising her in such.
Speaker 1: A way that like, wait a minute, she trying to
Speaker 1: make sure this message is seen by someone.
Speaker 2: That was a little effusive.
Speaker 4: Correct, correct, And so Congress now looking into those emails.
Speaker 4: In addition to a Wall Street Journal article last month
Speaker 4: that described the commendations that Glene has, that she has
Speaker 4: visitors and other perks, She has meals sent to her room,
Speaker 4: she doesn't have to go down and eat with everyone else,
Speaker 4: late night workouts, her ability to shower after other inmates
Speaker 4: are already in bed for the night.
Speaker 3: So there are a lot of inmates.
Speaker 4: This is what they are telling the Wall Street Journal
Speaker 4: and other outlets, that she is getting to do things
Speaker 4: that other inmates aren't able to do.
Speaker 1: But does it make any sense that they're doing that
Speaker 1: for her safety and not for just her convenience.
Speaker 4: That would be the justification, but it still certainly doesn't
Speaker 4: look right and smell right to a lot of other
Speaker 4: folks who are watching this.
Speaker 2: So your point, Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 1: If I heard the warden say it having her here
Speaker 1: has been so disruptive to our population that we're keeping
Speaker 1: her away, And didn't we hear at some point other
Speaker 1: inmates didn't want anything to do with the want to
Speaker 1: be around here.
Speaker 4: Well, there was somebody who actually fired a shot, and
Speaker 4: other inmates were actually concerned about their own safety.
Speaker 3: They've had to add security.
Speaker 4: They've had to put back up a black tarp that
Speaker 4: they had taken down so inmates were able to look
Speaker 4: out beyond the barbed wire and the gates, and now
Speaker 4: they can't because they've had to They've had to make
Speaker 4: significant adjustments and security and certain like logistics because Gleen
Speaker 4: is there, so certain perks that the inmates had they
Speaker 4: don't have anymore. And that's certainly interesting. But yes, you
Speaker 4: mentioned the other emails. There were some other just interesting ones.
Speaker 4: She was voicing frustration with the media and with other people,
Speaker 4: perhaps fellow inmates, selling rubbish stories and making money from
Speaker 4: their lives.
Speaker 3: We understand that frustration.
Speaker 2: Well, you can imagine you're in there.
Speaker 1: You have access to the person that everybody wants access to,
Speaker 1: Glaane Maxwell. You just looking at her walking through the
Speaker 1: place somebody would pay money to have that information.
Speaker 4: The Wall Street Journal admitted that they sent I believe
Speaker 4: one hundred letters or emails to inmates trying to get
Speaker 4: information about.
Speaker 3: What the situation was like there.
Speaker 4: So, yes, there are active reporting going on where they
Speaker 4: are trying to get other inmates to talk about what
Speaker 4: it's like with Glene.
Speaker 2: How many responses that they get from the.
Speaker 4: They had quite a few in their article. Some were named,
Speaker 4: some were unnamed, but certainly, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was really the inmates are bringing their name on them.
Speaker 4: The one who did got moved next day, she once,
Speaker 4: once it was published. Within days, her lawyer said she
Speaker 4: was moved to a harsher facility for speaking out or
Speaker 4: for at least speaking to the media.
Speaker 3: And so that is interesting.
Speaker 1: And here's my question, Yeah, are you not allowed to
Speaker 1: do that as an inmate or do you have to
Speaker 1: get permission to do it as an inmate, because of
Speaker 1: course we have inmates to interviews from the jail house
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 3: But one so it's interesting you asked that.
Speaker 4: So Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland, he's one of the
Speaker 4: ones who's made an inquiry about this VIP treatment and
Speaker 4: about the Washington Journal, sorry, the Wall Street Journal article,
Speaker 4: and he specifically talked about the retaliation that these inmates
Speaker 4: have been threatened with if they speak about Maxwell to
Speaker 4: the media.
Speaker 3: And so here's what he said.
Speaker 4: While prison officials may limit inmates' First Amendment rights to
Speaker 4: preserve security and order, you have provided no such justification
Speaker 4: for why prison security requires a Gallaine Maxwell gag order.
Speaker 4: And he wrote that to the prison camp warden, who
Speaker 4: we've been talking.
Speaker 1: About a Glaim Maxwell gag order, I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're allowed to do.
Speaker 4: And so Representative Raskin has actually given Warden Hall a
Speaker 4: deadline November thirteenth, So next Thursday, he's saying, you need
Speaker 4: to provide documentation to Congress and coordinate a visit with
Speaker 4: me to speak so that we can go and speak
Speaker 4: with inmates about their experiences. So now members of Congress
Speaker 4: want to go to this facility in Texas to speak
Speaker 4: directly with inmates so that they can actually understand whether
Speaker 4: or not Maxwell is getting unfair VIP treatment.
Speaker 3: This is where we are right now.
Speaker 4: Our government is shut down, we have flights being canceled,
Speaker 4: we have workers missing a full month's pay. But we're
Speaker 4: going to have members of Congress travel to Texas to
Speaker 4: interview inmates to see if Galaiine Maxwell is getting special treatment.
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't put that together. Yea.
Speaker 1: But when you put all you and you say that
Speaker 1: out loud, give me a break. I know how important
Speaker 1: some but if it's the most important thing to make
Speaker 1: sure she doesn't have a plush blanket in prison, that's
Speaker 1: low on the list.
Speaker 2: Of priorities right now. Don't don't.
Speaker 1: Don't get pissed that she's there. Find out why she's
Speaker 1: there before you go talk to other And what is
Speaker 1: the point of this?
Speaker 3: It's politics?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: But this is because you win points by saying I'm
Speaker 1: going after Glaine mat No, no, no, they're not even
Speaker 1: going Yes, they are going after her.
Speaker 4: Yes, well they're going after the special treatment that is
Speaker 4: alleged to have been given to her by the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: Ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 4: So obviously, just to point out for everyone, just a
Speaker 4: quick refresher, but I'm sure you need no refreshing that
Speaker 4: Glaine was moved within days of speaking to Assistant Attorney
Speaker 4: General Todd Blanche. She gave that two day, nine hour
Speaker 4: session where she gave all the information she says she
Speaker 4: had about Epstein's clients. Interestingly, again, if you don't remember,
Speaker 4: she had wonderful things to say say about President Trump
Speaker 4: and the fact that he never acted in any way
Speaker 4: untoward towards any of the girls, that he was a gentleman,
Speaker 4: and woila he She within days is then moved to
Speaker 4: this posh prison camp.
Speaker 3: I say posh, but cush whatever.
Speaker 1: She she praised Trump about as much as she praised
Speaker 1: as warden. This woman is a survivor. I mean nah,
Speaker 1: but some of the words she reserved for this warden.
Speaker 1: And I remember she didn't just have to say I
Speaker 1: didn't see Trump do anything wrong or illegal.
Speaker 2: I think he's a wonderful leader. He's done so impressive
Speaker 2: what he's done.
Speaker 1: She went a little far, but he's the Is he
Speaker 1: now her only option for getting out of prison?
Speaker 4: Yes? And you can understand why now some of these
Speaker 4: Democrats are going after this because they see this as
Speaker 4: a way to keep the Jeffrey Epstein conversation in the zeitgeist,
Speaker 4: and that doesn't bear well for Trump, and so at
Speaker 4: least that's what they're hoping that it makes Trump look
Speaker 4: because all the connections between Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, so
Speaker 4: they can keep this story alive, the more emails they
Speaker 4: can get a visit down there to show, Hey, we're
Speaker 4: gonna make sure that this inmate isn't getting special treatment
Speaker 4: by the Trump administration.
Speaker 3: That is what this is all about.
Speaker 1: Uh okay, I hear everything you're saying. I can't disagree with.
Speaker 1: But when we started this, my head wasn't there. I
Speaker 1: was thinking, oh, yeah, these things are come out. It's
Speaker 1: a little interesting, but you piece it all together. And
Speaker 1: when you said shut down, that was the part that stings.
Speaker 1: We are what forty day forty now longest in history,
Speaker 1: snap benefits, dried up people are struggling. Is anybody in
Speaker 1: Middle America given a god damn whether or not she's
Speaker 1: getting a smoothie every morning or just a shower by herself. Look,
Speaker 1: I know who the families, and they don't want her
Speaker 1: to have something nice, to have a luxury life if
Speaker 1: you will, behind bars.
Speaker 2: But right now.
Speaker 3: I hear you on the timing.
Speaker 4: I do think people care, if people of power and
Speaker 4: people a position. This was a woman who was wildly
Speaker 4: wealthy and had so much, and I know she had
Speaker 4: some a downfall of her father, but she was raised
Speaker 4: in how many bedrooms of a house like fifty something
Speaker 4: something room. So you have this very powerful woman who
Speaker 4: now is getting it seems as though she's getting preferential treatment.
Speaker 4: And there's nothing that people hate more than that.
Speaker 1: Even behind bars, they are living privileged lives. That's important,
Speaker 1: that's worth looking into, that is worth noting for a
Speaker 1: person who who is convicted now doing some of the
Speaker 1: most monstrous things you can imagine, which is abusive children.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, and that her fellow inmates feel the same
Speaker 4: way because they actually don't want to be associated with
Speaker 4: be around someone who committed a crime like that. They
Speaker 4: don't feel like they're they should be subjected to being
Speaker 4: around someone like that.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I guess if I say to everybody
Speaker 1: right now, heye, folks, quick, who are the two most
Speaker 1: famous inmates in the country, you would probably come up
Speaker 1: with the two names, certainly Gallainne Maxwell and the other
Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs. And apparently we all weren't the only
Speaker 1: ones keeping an eye on that trial. We'll tell you
Speaker 1: what Gallaine Maxwell had to say about Didty, his trial
Speaker 1: and his sentence. All right, folks, will continue now. Gleaine
Speaker 1: Maxwell apparently is living it up in prison and Congress
Speaker 1: wants to do something about it. Yes, we've been talking
Speaker 1: about her emails being released now, some interesting stuff in there,
Speaker 1: but she certainly made clear in some of these emails
Speaker 1: that have now been released that things are going better
Speaker 1: for in this low minimum security prison.
Speaker 2: What do you call it prison club?
Speaker 4: Mech club effet is what it's called club fed And
Speaker 4: I actually wanted so. Gallaine's attorney has been dealing with
Speaker 4: a bunch of incoming now with folks upset about these emails,
Speaker 4: and they're upset that they've been released. It's unclear how
Speaker 4: the House Committee these emails, and it's absolutely unclear how
Speaker 4: NBC News got these emails, so that is unknown. But
Speaker 4: her family has spoken out they're very upset about the
Speaker 4: fact that their private emails have now been made public,
Speaker 4: which I get, and her attorney also said the same thing.
Speaker 3: But I did appreciate this line.
Speaker 4: He said, it's time to get over the fact that
Speaker 4: she is in a safer facility. We should want that
Speaker 4: for everyone. What do you say, that's a hard thing
Speaker 4: to refute that.
Speaker 2: Period point blank?
Speaker 1: Well, okay, fine, but yeah, there's a there's a lot
Speaker 1: of inmates who are deserving of that.
Speaker 2: Why does she get it exactly.
Speaker 4: And look, we've heard complaints she was complaining about in
Speaker 4: her previous facility, the food, the fighting, the fear that
Speaker 4: she had.
Speaker 3: She talked about how.
Speaker 4: Disgusting the situation and her living conditions were very similar
Speaker 4: to what we heard from Sean Diddy Combs.
Speaker 2: Did you say, fear, food, and fighting.
Speaker 3: Pretty much the three f's you don't want to be around.
Speaker 1: I've never been in prison, but if you asked me
Speaker 1: to describe it those I would have described that people
Speaker 1: are usually scared and the food socks.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, okay exactly.
Speaker 4: I felt like we heard the exact same thing from Didty,
Speaker 4: though he was complaining about the food, and that does
Speaker 4: not again, doesn't make other people see these folks of
Speaker 4: privilege who've probably had Michelin star meals their entire lives,
Speaker 4: complaining about the rubber chicken they're getting in prison.
Speaker 1: Okay, but he was at MBC in Brooklyn. That's a
Speaker 1: notorious facility.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it was easy, yes, but we did.
Speaker 4: Among the many emails that we got from Glenda, we
Speaker 4: were able to see there was an excerpt from one
Speaker 4: where apparently Gahlene Maxwell was following the Sean Diddy Cums trial.
Speaker 3: Just like the rest of us.
Speaker 2: She was probably listening to our podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm sure she was, Yes, so she she was paying attention.
Speaker 4: She wrote this in an email. What an interesting sentence
Speaker 4: for ditty exclamation point.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 2: Would she write that one too?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know, but that's so bizarre to me,
Speaker 4: like she's almost being cheeky about his sentence, comparing his
Speaker 4: to hers.
Speaker 3: Maybe obviously she had a much longer sentence.
Speaker 1: That is the one in all the emails, you've say,
Speaker 1: and that was just a short little line, little qui.
Speaker 1: Of all of them, that was the one I would
Speaker 1: like to follow up with her about. So tell me,
Speaker 1: what did you really think?
Speaker 3: Do you think he deserved all that time behind bars?
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, look, there aren't similarities, and yet
Speaker 4: there are still sex crimes involved. Just yeah, very different.
Speaker 4: But maybe some people might say no, so it is.
Speaker 4: I guess it would make sense that maybe she wanted
Speaker 4: to see what a jury would throw at him versus
Speaker 4: what she was faced with. Because her attorney, her family members,
Speaker 4: she all, they all claim she did nothing wrong.
Speaker 3: She's been fighting this whole time.
Speaker 4: But remember in October, the Supreme Court declined to hear
Speaker 4: her appeal. So that email that we saw her sending
Speaker 4: to her lawyer where the warden was helping her with
Speaker 4: all of yeah, that material or at least getting it expedited,
Speaker 4: that was all in preparation for this Supreme Court appeal
Speaker 4: that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And that is it for her. There is no more,
Speaker 1: there's no legal avenue she is pursuing at this point.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court say, when you're trying to hear the
Speaker 1: appeals are.
Speaker 4: Done exactly, So presidential clemency is her only option at
Speaker 4: this point. Right now, her projected release date is twenty
Speaker 4: thirty seven. So and look, the latest wee for from
Speaker 4: Trump is still up in the air. He's kept the
Speaker 4: Diddy thing going, and he's kept the Gleane Maxwell thing
Speaker 4: going because right shut it down, No, because of he didn't.
Speaker 4: Right after the Supreme Court made their decision not to
Speaker 4: hear her appeal, he told reporters he would speak with
Speaker 4: the Justice Department and quote would have to take a
Speaker 4: look at whether he would consider a pardon.
Speaker 1: He hasn't shut They refuted a TMZ report that he
Speaker 1: was going to pardon Didty, but they didn't say no
Speaker 1: he won't be partning Didty. He has not said no,
Speaker 1: I won't be pardoning Gleaine Maxwell. Why maybe he but
Speaker 1: this you have to come to the conclusion he's considering it.
Speaker 2: It's not off the table.
Speaker 4: Oh, I absolutely agree. He one hundred percent is considering it.
Speaker 4: If he didn't want to do it, if he wasn't
Speaker 4: going to do it, he would tell us. He's a
Speaker 4: pretty straight shooter when it comes to that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: If he doesn't want to do something, he will tell
Speaker 4: you he's.
Speaker 1: Deciding and what this means to him, what it does
Speaker 1: for him. Which one would hurt him more politically?
Speaker 4: I think Glamee Maxwell would hurt him more significantly. I
Speaker 4: think he could pardon Diddy and UHL and feel like
Speaker 4: a lot of folks might say that was the right
Speaker 4: thing to do. He spent a little bit of time
Speaker 4: in prison, but now he shouldn't have to serve the
Speaker 4: rest of it out.
Speaker 3: So I actually don't think that would hurt him very
Speaker 3: much at all.
Speaker 2: Make a good point, but I don't.
Speaker 4: I was shocked. I have to say I was shocked
Speaker 4: when he did not shoot that down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, internet might explode if he pardoned.
Speaker 4: So then the question becomes why would he write? And
Speaker 4: that's when people start.
Speaker 2: To really, why would he?
Speaker 3: Why would he?
Speaker 4: And the and the reasoning behind it, people would say,
Speaker 4: is that he knows Galaine knows something, and she's being
Speaker 4: cool and praising him and saying all the right things
Speaker 4: because she knows.
Speaker 3: He knows that she knows. But that's just what some
Speaker 3: folks say.
Speaker 4: Clearly, no one can possibly know what really has gone
Speaker 4: on between those two, but it does. It is a
Speaker 4: head scratcher that he has not come out and said
Speaker 4: we're done. I am not pardoning her, but we shall
Speaker 4: see and we will certainly keep our eye on all
Speaker 4: of this. We thank you for listening to us on
Speaker 4: this Sunday. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.
Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.