WEBVTT - Ghislane Maxwell’s Private Prison Emails Leaked; Why is She Talking about Diddy?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there, folks, it is Sunday, November the ninth. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Gallaine Maxwell in her own words, but some folks are

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<v Speaker 1>pissed we are hearing these words at all, and with that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and Tjbes.

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<v Speaker 2>She just won't go away.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we people can't get enough.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't supposed, This isn't even a feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a big deal, But it's making headlines because

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<v Speaker 1>Galaine Maxwell's personal emails have now made it out into

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<v Speaker 1>the public. And this is some fascinating stuff, including she

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<v Speaker 1>was keeping an eye on Biddy's trial as well. Just

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<v Speaker 1>one of the funny I say, funny but interesting little

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<v Speaker 1>things in her emails.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, there's so much mystery surrounding her, her role in

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<v Speaker 4>the whole Jeffrey Epstein scandal. She's denied any involvement in

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<v Speaker 4>any criminal activity, but certainly we have so many of

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<v Speaker 4>these young women saying very different things. And obviously she

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<v Speaker 4>was found guilty, convicted, spending twenty years behind bars. She

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<v Speaker 4>is a convicted period, Yes, a convicted child molester or

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<v Speaker 4>you know, she is the worst of the worst and

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<v Speaker 4>not a woman that most people want in this low

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<v Speaker 4>security prison camp.

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<v Speaker 1>So to speak and can she be the only she

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<v Speaker 1>is a type of offender like this at that place.

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<v Speaker 1>People in there for financial.

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<v Speaker 4>Crime, nonviolent offenders at this facility. And so a lot

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<v Speaker 4>has been leaked about what her life is like, the

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<v Speaker 4>treatment she's getting, and there are now allegations about special treatment,

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<v Speaker 4>VIP treatment, and certainly her just being in that facility

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<v Speaker 4>in and of itself hasn't been.

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<v Speaker 3>Hasn't been answered, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Never been explained. Never she did the interviews that weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>she got moved and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the end of the story.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you hear how she describes where she is now,

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<v Speaker 4>it's gonna piss people off because and it's certainly pissing

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<v Speaker 4>off the other inmates who have spoken and though and

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<v Speaker 4>a few who have spoken out have been moved, have

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<v Speaker 4>been have been taken out of this apparently posh facility

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<v Speaker 4>and moved to harsher facilities. So people inside the prison

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<v Speaker 4>now are afraid to even talk about what it's like

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<v Speaker 4>with her there, how she's being treated, what they've witnessed,

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<v Speaker 4>what they've noticed, And so now there is some real

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<v Speaker 4>there are some real questions by Congress and.

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<v Speaker 3>They have, yes, they've gotten their hands on these emails.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, allegations about like special treatment or suggestions about

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<v Speaker 1>how nice the place is or whatever. Oh she is

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed it now, she has explained in these emails. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go pretty good here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, so my situation is improved by being at Brian.

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<v Speaker 4>But I wanted to read this one was sent in August,

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<v Speaker 4>so shortly after she was moved.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, how we explained how we're getting these. Essentially, this

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<v Speaker 1>is about a congressional investigation.

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<v Speaker 4>Congressional investigation, so they were able to somehow, and we

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<v Speaker 4>don't know how they got their hands on her private

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<v Speaker 4>personal emails, but somehow NBC News did as well. So

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<v Speaker 4>NBC News is now releasing the contents of these emails,

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<v Speaker 4>much to the chagrin of her lawyer and her family

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<v Speaker 4>members who were writing these emails back and forth with her.

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<v Speaker 4>They're extremely upset about it. And but man, they do

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<v Speaker 4>lift the veil and they are fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I have right though you're not. Are you entitled

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<v Speaker 1>to any privacy as a federal inmate? Don't they monitor

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<v Speaker 1>all your phone calls? Don't they monitor everything you do electronically?

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<v Speaker 1>This is not necessarily a VI excuse I'm saying, what

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<v Speaker 1>a suggestion they monitor you so correct, they might be.

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<v Speaker 4>Pissed, but exactly, and everything as an inmate, you know

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<v Speaker 4>you do say is obviously subject to being heard, recorded,

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<v Speaker 4>acknowledged and used against you. I mean, that's just that's prison,

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<v Speaker 4>one on one. Not that I would know, but I

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<v Speaker 4>would think if you were an inmate, you should know

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<v Speaker 4>that by now. I want some privacy here, please, I'd

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<v Speaker 4>like to have a private phone call. Yes, And I

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<v Speaker 4>do believe if you're speaking to your lawyer. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if there's some sort of privilege there, but if

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<v Speaker 4>you're putting it in an email using a prison computer,

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<v Speaker 4>I do think you might lose that benefit.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>This is from Glene to one of her relatives. They

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<v Speaker 4>didn't distinguish which one sent on August eighth. Brian is

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<v Speaker 4>a different beast in every possible respet It is a

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<v Speaker 4>well managed, well run institution with an excellent warden who

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<v Speaker 4>leads from the top. She is a true professional and

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<v Speaker 4>the best representative of the BOP I have met.

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<v Speaker 3>The food is.

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<v Speaker 4>Legions better, the place is clean, the staff responsive and polite.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my favorite.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen or heard the usual foul language or

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<v Speaker 4>screaming accompanied by threats leveled at inmates by anyone. I

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<v Speaker 4>have not seen a single fight, drug deal, passed out person,

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<v Speaker 4>or naked inmate running around, or several of them congregating

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<v Speaker 4>in a shower exclamation point. In other words, I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like I have dropped through Alice in Wonderland's looking glass.

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<v Speaker 4>I am much happier here and more importantly safe. So yes,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone can breathe a sigh.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds better than our apartment building. Jesus. Every once

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<v Speaker 2>in a round we see a naked dude outside.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know what, when people really reacted to that,

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<v Speaker 4>they got even more upset when they read another email

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<v Speaker 4>to her attorney.

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<v Speaker 3>So this one is to Maxwell's attorney. This was just

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<v Speaker 3>in September.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm cure, how does that work?

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<v Speaker 1>A correspondence between her and her attorney yep, is put

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<v Speaker 1>out publicly yep, and me as doesn't matter. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>discussing a legal case, is it okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder?

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<v Speaker 4>No, they are discussing how they're handling their legal case, though,

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<v Speaker 4>which is interesting. So, and that's why this has This

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<v Speaker 4>email in particular, has drawn the ire of a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of folks and has some members of Congress asking more

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<v Speaker 4>questions and wanting more answers, so Glaine writes to her

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<v Speaker 4>attorney September sixteenth. Hello, I spoke to the warden about

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<v Speaker 4>the problem with the mail, telling her the documents have

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<v Speaker 4>not arrived yet. We're now on day seven. I explained,

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<v Speaker 4>we have a deadline that hinges on the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was hoping to have two turns of the

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<v Speaker 4>document before it files with the court, possibly as soon

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<v Speaker 4>as the end of the month.

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<v Speaker 3>Her creative solution.

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<v Speaker 4>Was that you em scan it to her and she

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<v Speaker 4>will scan back my changes exclamation point. Of course, that

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<v Speaker 4>is fantastic as it saves us days and days. I

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<v Speaker 4>assume you're fine with this. So criminal defense attorney's point,

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<v Speaker 4>who have clients in that same facility at FPC. Brian says,

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<v Speaker 4>this should never happen. The warden does not help inmates

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<v Speaker 4>figure out issues with correspondence with legal briefings or.

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<v Speaker 3>With your lawyers.

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<v Speaker 4>So he said it like this, It would be like

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<v Speaker 4>the head of a large corporation of a manufacturing plant

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<v Speaker 4>regularly having contact with people on the assembly line.

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<v Speaker 3>He just doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You would call that person a good CEO.

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<v Speaker 1>Good CEOs hands on one of the people. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know this warden at all as a woman, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's slaves.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the one you read previous almost sounded like she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it to get out publicly.

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<v Speaker 2>She was praising her in such.

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<v Speaker 1>A way that like, wait a minute, she trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure this message is seen by someone.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a little effusive.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, correct, And so Congress now looking into those emails.

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<v Speaker 4>In addition to a Wall Street Journal article last month

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<v Speaker 4>that described the commendations that Glene has, that she has

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<v Speaker 4>visitors and other perks, She has meals sent to her room,

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<v Speaker 4>she doesn't have to go down and eat with everyone else,

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<v Speaker 4>late night workouts, her ability to shower after other inmates

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<v Speaker 4>are already in bed for the night.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are a lot of inmates.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what they are telling the Wall Street Journal

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<v Speaker 4>and other outlets, that she is getting to do things

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<v Speaker 4>that other inmates aren't able to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But does it make any sense that they're doing that

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<v Speaker 1>for her safety and not for just her convenience.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be the justification, but it still certainly doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>look right and smell right to a lot of other

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<v Speaker 4>folks who are watching this.

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<v Speaker 2>So your point, Yes, that is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>If I heard the warden say it having her here

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<v Speaker 1>has been so disruptive to our population that we're keeping

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<v Speaker 1>her away, And didn't we hear at some point other

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<v Speaker 1>inmates didn't want anything to do with the want to

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<v Speaker 1>be around here.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there was somebody who actually fired a shot, and

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<v Speaker 4>other inmates were actually concerned about their own safety.

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<v Speaker 3>They've had to add security.

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<v Speaker 4>They've had to put back up a black tarp that

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<v Speaker 4>they had taken down so inmates were able to look

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<v Speaker 4>out beyond the barbed wire and the gates, and now

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<v Speaker 4>they can't because they've had to They've had to make

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<v Speaker 4>significant adjustments and security and certain like logistics because Gleen

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<v Speaker 4>is there, so certain perks that the inmates had they

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<v Speaker 4>don't have anymore. And that's certainly interesting. But yes, you

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned the other emails. There were some other just interesting ones.

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<v Speaker 4>She was voicing frustration with the media and with other people,

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<v Speaker 4>perhaps fellow inmates, selling rubbish stories and making money from

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<v Speaker 4>their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>We understand that frustration.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you can imagine you're in there.

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<v Speaker 1>You have access to the person that everybody wants access to,

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<v Speaker 1>Glaane Maxwell. You just looking at her walking through the

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<v Speaker 1>place somebody would pay money to have that information.

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<v Speaker 4>The Wall Street Journal admitted that they sent I believe

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred letters or emails to inmates trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>information about.

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<v Speaker 3>What the situation was like there.

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<v Speaker 4>So, yes, there are active reporting going on where they

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<v Speaker 4>are trying to get other inmates to talk about what

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<v Speaker 4>it's like with Glene.

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<v Speaker 2>How many responses that they get from the.

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<v Speaker 4>They had quite a few in their article. Some were named,

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<v Speaker 4>some were unnamed, but certainly, yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was really the inmates are bringing their name on them.

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<v Speaker 4>The one who did got moved next day, she once,

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<v Speaker 4>once it was published. Within days, her lawyer said she

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<v Speaker 4>was moved to a harsher facility for speaking out or

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<v Speaker 4>for at least speaking to the media.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's my question, Yeah, are you not allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>do that as an inmate or do you have to

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<v Speaker 1>get permission to do it as an inmate, because of

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<v Speaker 1>course we have inmates to interviews from the jail house

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<v Speaker 1>all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>But one so it's interesting you asked that.

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<v Speaker 4>So Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland, he's one of the

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<v Speaker 4>ones who's made an inquiry about this VIP treatment and

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<v Speaker 4>about the Washington Journal, sorry, the Wall Street Journal article,

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<v Speaker 4>and he specifically talked about the retaliation that these inmates

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<v Speaker 4>have been threatened with if they speak about Maxwell to

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<v Speaker 4>the media.

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<v Speaker 3>And so here's what he said.

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<v Speaker 4>While prison officials may limit inmates' First Amendment rights to

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<v Speaker 4>preserve security and order, you have provided no such justification

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<v Speaker 4>for why prison security requires a Gallaine Maxwell gag order.

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<v Speaker 4>And he wrote that to the prison camp warden, who

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<v Speaker 4>we've been talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About a Glaim Maxwell gag order, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>they're allowed to do.

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<v Speaker 4>And so Representative Raskin has actually given Warden Hall a

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<v Speaker 4>deadline November thirteenth, So next Thursday, he's saying, you need

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<v Speaker 4>to provide documentation to Congress and coordinate a visit with

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<v Speaker 4>me to speak so that we can go and speak

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<v Speaker 4>with inmates about their experiences. So now members of Congress

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<v Speaker 4>want to go to this facility in Texas to speak

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<v Speaker 4>directly with inmates so that they can actually understand whether

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<v Speaker 4>or not Maxwell is getting unfair VIP treatment.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where we are right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Our government is shut down, we have flights being canceled,

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<v Speaker 4>we have workers missing a full month's pay. But we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to have members of Congress travel to Texas to

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<v Speaker 4>interview inmates to see if Galaiine Maxwell is getting special treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I didn't put that together. Yea.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you put all you and you say that

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<v Speaker 1>out loud, give me a break. I know how important

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<v Speaker 1>some but if it's the most important thing to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure she doesn't have a plush blanket in prison, that's

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<v Speaker 1>low on the list.

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<v Speaker 2>Of priorities right now. Don't don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get pissed that she's there. Find out why she's

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<v Speaker 1>there before you go talk to other And what is

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<v Speaker 1>the point of this?

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<v Speaker 3>It's politics?

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<v Speaker 4>What?

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<v Speaker 1>But this is because you win points by saying I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going after Glaine mat No, no, no, they're not even

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<v Speaker 1>going Yes, they are going after her.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, well they're going after the special treatment that is

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<v Speaker 4>alleged to have been given to her by the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Ding ding ding ding.

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<v Speaker 4>So obviously, just to point out for everyone, just a

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<v Speaker 4>quick refresher, but I'm sure you need no refreshing that

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<v Speaker 4>Glaine was moved within days of speaking to Assistant Attorney

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<v Speaker 4>General Todd Blanche. She gave that two day, nine hour

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<v Speaker 4>session where she gave all the information she says she

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<v Speaker 4>had about Epstein's clients. Interestingly, again, if you don't remember,

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<v Speaker 4>she had wonderful things to say say about President Trump

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<v Speaker 4>and the fact that he never acted in any way

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<v Speaker 4>untoward towards any of the girls, that he was a gentleman,

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<v Speaker 4>and woila he She within days is then moved to

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<v Speaker 4>this posh prison camp.

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<v Speaker 3>I say posh, but cush whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>She she praised Trump about as much as she praised

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<v Speaker 1>as warden. This woman is a survivor. I mean nah,

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<v Speaker 1>but some of the words she reserved for this warden.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember she didn't just have to say I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see Trump do anything wrong or illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's a wonderful leader. He's done so impressive

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<v Speaker 2>what he's done.

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<v Speaker 1>She went a little far, but he's the Is he

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<v Speaker 1>now her only option for getting out of prison?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? And you can understand why now some of these

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<v Speaker 4>Democrats are going after this because they see this as

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<v Speaker 4>a way to keep the Jeffrey Epstein conversation in the zeitgeist,

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<v Speaker 4>and that doesn't bear well for Trump, and so at

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<v Speaker 4>least that's what they're hoping that it makes Trump look

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<v Speaker 4>because all the connections between Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, so

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<v Speaker 4>they can keep this story alive, the more emails they

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<v Speaker 4>can get a visit down there to show, Hey, we're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna make sure that this inmate isn't getting special treatment

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<v Speaker 4>by the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 3>That is what this is all about.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh okay, I hear everything you're saying. I can't disagree with.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we started this, my head wasn't there. I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, oh, yeah, these things are come out. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little interesting, but you piece it all together. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you said shut down, that was the part that stings.

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<v Speaker 1>We are what forty day forty now longest in history,

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<v Speaker 1>snap benefits, dried up people are struggling. Is anybody in

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<v Speaker 1>Middle America given a god damn whether or not she's

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<v Speaker 1>getting a smoothie every morning or just a shower by herself. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I know who the families, and they don't want her

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<v Speaker 1>to have something nice, to have a luxury life if

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<v Speaker 1>you will, behind bars.

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<v Speaker 2>But right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear you on the timing.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think people care, if people of power and

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<v Speaker 4>people a position. This was a woman who was wildly

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<v Speaker 4>wealthy and had so much, and I know she had

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<v Speaker 4>some a downfall of her father, but she was raised

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<v Speaker 4>in how many bedrooms of a house like fifty something

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<v Speaker 4>something room. So you have this very powerful woman who

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<v Speaker 4>now is getting it seems as though she's getting preferential treatment.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's nothing that people hate more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Even behind bars, they are living privileged lives. That's important,

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<v Speaker 1>that's worth looking into, that is worth noting for a

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<v Speaker 1>person who who is convicted now doing some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most monstrous things you can imagine, which is abusive children.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, exactly, and that her fellow inmates feel the same

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<v Speaker 4>way because they actually don't want to be associated with

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<v Speaker 4>be around someone who committed a crime like that. They

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<v Speaker 4>don't feel like they're they should be subjected to being

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<v Speaker 4>around someone like that.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, I guess if I say to everybody

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<v Speaker 1>right now, heye, folks, quick, who are the two most

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<v Speaker 1>famous inmates in the country, you would probably come up

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<v Speaker 1>with the two names, certainly Gallainne Maxwell and the other

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Diddy Combs. And apparently we all weren't the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones keeping an eye on that trial. We'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what Gallaine Maxwell had to say about Didty, his trial

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<v Speaker 1>and his sentence. All right, folks, will continue now. Gleaine

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<v Speaker 1>Maxwell apparently is living it up in prison and Congress

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<v Speaker 1>wants to do something about it. Yes, we've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about her emails being released now, some interesting stuff in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but she certainly made clear in some of these emails

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<v Speaker 1>that have now been released that things are going better

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<v Speaker 1>for in this low minimum security prison.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you call it prison club?

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<v Speaker 4>Mech club effet is what it's called club fed And

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<v Speaker 4>I actually wanted so. Gallaine's attorney has been dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of incoming now with folks upset about these emails,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're upset that they've been released. It's unclear how

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<v Speaker 4>the House Committee these emails, and it's absolutely unclear how

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<v Speaker 4>NBC News got these emails, so that is unknown. But

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<v Speaker 4>her family has spoken out they're very upset about the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that their private emails have now been made public,

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<v Speaker 4>which I get, and her attorney also said the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did appreciate this line.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, it's time to get over the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>she is in a safer facility. We should want that

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<v Speaker 4>for everyone. What do you say, that's a hard thing

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<v Speaker 4>to refute that.

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<v Speaker 2>Period point blank?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, fine, but yeah, there's a there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of inmates who are deserving of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Why does she get it exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And look, we've heard complaints she was complaining about in

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<v Speaker 4>her previous facility, the food, the fighting, the fear that

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<v Speaker 4>she had.

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<v Speaker 3>She talked about how.

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<v Speaker 4>Disgusting the situation and her living conditions were very similar

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<v Speaker 4>to what we heard from Sean Diddy Combs.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you say, fear, food, and fighting.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much the three f's you don't want to be around.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been in prison, but if you asked me

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<v Speaker 1>to describe it those I would have described that people

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<v Speaker 1>are usually scared and the food socks.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't, okay exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like we heard the exact same thing from Didty,

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<v Speaker 4>though he was complaining about the food, and that does

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<v Speaker 4>not again, doesn't make other people see these folks of

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<v Speaker 4>privilege who've probably had Michelin star meals their entire lives,

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<v Speaker 4>complaining about the rubber chicken they're getting in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but he was at MBC in Brooklyn. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>notorious facility.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying it was easy, yes, but we did.

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<v Speaker 4>Among the many emails that we got from Glenda, we

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<v Speaker 4>were able to see there was an excerpt from one

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<v Speaker 4>where apparently Gahlene Maxwell was following the Sean Diddy Cums trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 2>She was probably listening to our podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure she was, Yes, so she she was paying attention.

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<v Speaker 4>She wrote this in an email. What an interesting sentence

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<v Speaker 4>for ditty exclamation point.

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<v Speaker 3>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Would she write that one too?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't know, but that's so bizarre to me,

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<v Speaker 4>like she's almost being cheeky about his sentence, comparing his

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<v Speaker 4>to hers.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe obviously she had a much longer sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the one in all the emails, you've say,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was just a short little line, little qui.

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<v Speaker 1>Of all of them, that was the one I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to follow up with her about. So tell me,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you really think?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think he deserved all that time behind bars?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I guess, look, there aren't similarities, and yet

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<v Speaker 4>there are still sex crimes involved. Just yeah, very different.

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<v Speaker 4>But maybe some people might say no, so it is.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess it would make sense that maybe she wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to see what a jury would throw at him versus

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<v Speaker 4>what she was faced with. Because her attorney, her family members,

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<v Speaker 4>she all, they all claim she did nothing wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>She's been fighting this whole time.

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<v Speaker 4>But remember in October, the Supreme Court declined to hear

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<v Speaker 4>her appeal. So that email that we saw her sending

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<v Speaker 4>to her lawyer where the warden was helping her with

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<v Speaker 4>all of yeah, that material or at least getting it expedited,

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<v Speaker 4>that was all in preparation for this Supreme Court appeal

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<v Speaker 4>that didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is it for her. There is no more,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no legal avenue she is pursuing at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court say, when you're trying to hear the

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<v Speaker 1>appeals are.

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<v Speaker 4>Done exactly, So presidential clemency is her only option at

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<v Speaker 4>this point. Right now, her projected release date is twenty

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<v Speaker 4>thirty seven. So and look, the latest wee for from

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is still up in the air. He's kept the

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<v Speaker 4>Diddy thing going, and he's kept the Gleane Maxwell thing

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<v Speaker 4>going because right shut it down, No, because of he didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Right after the Supreme Court made their decision not to

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<v Speaker 4>hear her appeal, he told reporters he would speak with

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<v Speaker 4>the Justice Department and quote would have to take a

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<v Speaker 4>look at whether he would consider a pardon.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't shut They refuted a TMZ report that he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to pardon Didty, but they didn't say no

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<v Speaker 1>he won't be partning Didty. He has not said no,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't be pardoning Gleaine Maxwell. Why maybe he but

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<v Speaker 1>this you have to come to the conclusion he's considering it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not off the table.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I absolutely agree. He one hundred percent is considering it.

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<v Speaker 4>If he didn't want to do it, if he wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>going to do it, he would tell us. He's a

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<v Speaker 4>pretty straight shooter when it comes to that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>If he doesn't want to do something, he will tell

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<v Speaker 4>you he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Deciding and what this means to him, what it does

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<v Speaker 1>for him. Which one would hurt him more politically?

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<v Speaker 4>I think Glamee Maxwell would hurt him more significantly. I

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<v Speaker 4>think he could pardon Diddy and UHL and feel like

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of folks might say that was the right

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<v Speaker 4>thing to do. He spent a little bit of time

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<v Speaker 4>in prison, but now he shouldn't have to serve the

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<v Speaker 4>rest of it out.

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<v Speaker 3>So I actually don't think that would hurt him very

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<v Speaker 3>much at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Make a good point, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I was shocked. I have to say I was shocked

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<v Speaker 4>when he did not shoot that down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, internet might explode if he pardoned.

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<v Speaker 4>So then the question becomes why would he write? And

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<v Speaker 4>that's when people start.

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<v Speaker 2>To really, why would he?

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<v Speaker 3>Why would he?

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<v Speaker 4>And the and the reasoning behind it, people would say,

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<v Speaker 4>is that he knows Galaine knows something, and she's being

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<v Speaker 4>cool and praising him and saying all the right things

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<v Speaker 4>because she knows.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows that she knows. But that's just what some

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<v Speaker 3>folks say.

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<v Speaker 4>Clearly, no one can possibly know what really has gone

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<v Speaker 4>on between those two, but it does. It is a

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<v Speaker 4>head scratcher that he has not come out and said

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<v Speaker 4>we're done. I am not pardoning her, but we shall

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<v Speaker 4>see and we will certainly keep our eye on all

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<v Speaker 4>of this. We thank you for listening to us on

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<v Speaker 4>this Sunday. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.