1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Hey, there, folks, it is Sunday, November the ninth. Then 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell in her own words, but some folks are 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: pissed we are hearing these words at all, and with that, 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and Tjbes. 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: She just won't go away. 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 3: I mean, we people can't get enough. 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: This wasn't supposed, This isn't even a feel like it 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: would be a big deal, But it's making headlines because 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: Galaine Maxwell's personal emails have now made it out into 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: the public. And this is some fascinating stuff, including she 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: was keeping an eye on Biddy's trial as well. Just 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: one of the funny I say, funny but interesting little 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: things in her emails. 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 4: Look, there's so much mystery surrounding her, her role in 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 4: the whole Jeffrey Epstein scandal. She's denied any involvement in 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 4: any criminal activity, but certainly we have so many of 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 4: these young women saying very different things. And obviously she 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 4: was found guilty, convicted, spending twenty years behind bars. She 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 4: is a convicted period, Yes, a convicted child molester or 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: you know, she is the worst of the worst and 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 4: not a woman that most people want in this low 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 4: security prison camp. 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: So to speak and can she be the only she 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: is a type of offender like this at that place. 25 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: People in there for financial. 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 4: Crime, nonviolent offenders at this facility. And so a lot 27 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 4: has been leaked about what her life is like, the 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: treatment she's getting, and there are now allegations about special treatment, 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: VIP treatment, and certainly her just being in that facility 30 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 4: in and of itself hasn't been. 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: Hasn't been answered, it's. 32 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: Never been explained. Never she did the interviews that weekend, 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: she got moved and. 34 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 2: That's the end of the story. 35 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 4: And when you hear how she describes where she is now, 36 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,279 Speaker 4: it's gonna piss people off because and it's certainly pissing 37 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: off the other inmates who have spoken and though and 38 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: a few who have spoken out have been moved, have 39 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 4: been have been taken out of this apparently posh facility 40 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 4: and moved to harsher facilities. So people inside the prison 41 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: now are afraid to even talk about what it's like 42 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 4: with her there, how she's being treated, what they've witnessed, 43 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 4: what they've noticed, And so now there is some real 44 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 4: there are some real questions by Congress and. 45 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: They have, yes, they've gotten their hands on these emails. 46 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: You said, allegations about like special treatment or suggestions about 47 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: how nice the place is or whatever. Oh she is 48 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: confirmed it now, she has explained in these emails. Yeah, 49 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: go pretty good here. 50 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 4: Yes, so my situation is improved by being at Brian. 51 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: But I wanted to read this one was sent in August, 52 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: so shortly after she was moved. 53 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Again, how we explained how we're getting these. Essentially, this 54 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: is about a congressional investigation. 55 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 4: Congressional investigation, so they were able to somehow, and we 56 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 4: don't know how they got their hands on her private 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 4: personal emails, but somehow NBC News did as well. So 58 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 4: NBC News is now releasing the contents of these emails, 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 4: much to the chagrin of her lawyer and her family 60 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 4: members who were writing these emails back and forth with her. 61 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: They're extremely upset about it. And but man, they do 62 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 4: lift the veil and they are fascinating. 63 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: Do I have right though you're not. Are you entitled 64 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: to any privacy as a federal inmate? Don't they monitor 65 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: all your phone calls? Don't they monitor everything you do electronically? 66 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: This is not necessarily a VI excuse I'm saying, what 67 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: a suggestion they monitor you so correct, they might be. 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: Pissed, but exactly, and everything as an inmate, you know 69 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 4: you do say is obviously subject to being heard, recorded, 70 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 4: acknowledged and used against you. I mean, that's just that's prison, 71 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: one on one. Not that I would know, but I 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: would think if you were an inmate, you should know 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: that by now. I want some privacy here, please, I'd 74 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 4: like to have a private phone call. Yes, And I 75 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 4: do believe if you're speaking to your lawyer. I don't 76 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 4: know if there's some sort of privilege there, but if 77 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 4: you're putting it in an email using a prison computer, 78 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: I do think you might lose that benefit. 79 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: Okay. 80 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: This is from Glene to one of her relatives. They 81 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: didn't distinguish which one sent on August eighth. Brian is 82 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 4: a different beast in every possible respet It is a 83 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: well managed, well run institution with an excellent warden who 84 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: leads from the top. She is a true professional and 85 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 4: the best representative of the BOP I have met. 86 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: The food is. 87 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 4: Legions better, the place is clean, the staff responsive and polite. 88 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: This is my favorite. 89 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: I haven't seen or heard the usual foul language or 90 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: screaming accompanied by threats leveled at inmates by anyone. I 91 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 4: have not seen a single fight, drug deal, passed out person, 92 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 4: or naked inmate running around, or several of them congregating 93 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: in a shower exclamation point. In other words, I feel 94 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 4: like I have dropped through Alice in Wonderland's looking glass. 95 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 4: I am much happier here and more importantly safe. So yes, 96 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 4: everyone can breathe a sigh. 97 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: That sounds better than our apartment building. Jesus. Every once 98 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: in a round we see a naked dude outside. 99 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. 100 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: And you know what, when people really reacted to that, 101 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 4: they got even more upset when they read another email 102 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 4: to her attorney. 103 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: So this one is to Maxwell's attorney. This was just 104 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: in September. 105 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 2: Now, I'm cure, how does that work? 106 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: A correspondence between her and her attorney yep, is put 107 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: out publicly yep, and me as doesn't matter. They're not 108 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: discussing a legal case, is it okay? 109 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: I wonder? 110 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 4: No, they are discussing how they're handling their legal case, though, 111 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 4: which is interesting. So, and that's why this has This 112 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 4: email in particular, has drawn the ire of a lot 113 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: of folks and has some members of Congress asking more 114 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 4: questions and wanting more answers, so Glaine writes to her 115 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 4: attorney September sixteenth. Hello, I spoke to the warden about 116 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 4: the problem with the mail, telling her the documents have 117 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 4: not arrived yet. We're now on day seven. I explained, 118 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 4: we have a deadline that hinges on the Supreme Court, 119 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: and I was hoping to have two turns of the 120 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 4: document before it files with the court, possibly as soon 121 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 4: as the end of the month. 122 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 3: Her creative solution. 123 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: Was that you em scan it to her and she 124 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 4: will scan back my changes exclamation point. Of course, that 125 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 4: is fantastic as it saves us days and days. I 126 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 4: assume you're fine with this. So criminal defense attorney's point, 127 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: who have clients in that same facility at FPC. Brian says, 128 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 4: this should never happen. The warden does not help inmates 129 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 4: figure out issues with correspondence with legal briefings or. 130 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: With your lawyers. 131 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 4: So he said it like this, It would be like 132 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 4: the head of a large corporation of a manufacturing plant 133 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 4: regularly having contact with people on the assembly line. 134 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: He just doesn't happen. 135 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: You would call that person a good CEO. 136 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: Good CEOs hands on one of the people. I don't 137 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: know this warden at all as a woman, right. 138 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: Yes, it's slaves. 139 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know at all. 140 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: Now, the one you read previous almost sounded like she 141 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: wanted it to get out publicly. 142 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: She was praising her in such. 143 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: A way that like, wait a minute, she trying to 144 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: make sure this message is seen by someone. 145 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: That was a little effusive. 146 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 4: Correct, correct, And so Congress now looking into those emails. 147 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 4: In addition to a Wall Street Journal article last month 148 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 4: that described the commendations that Glene has, that she has 149 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 4: visitors and other perks, She has meals sent to her room, 150 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 4: she doesn't have to go down and eat with everyone else, 151 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 4: late night workouts, her ability to shower after other inmates 152 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: are already in bed for the night. 153 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: So there are a lot of inmates. 154 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: This is what they are telling the Wall Street Journal 155 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: and other outlets, that she is getting to do things 156 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 4: that other inmates aren't able to do. 157 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: But does it make any sense that they're doing that 158 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: for her safety and not for just her convenience. 159 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: That would be the justification, but it still certainly doesn't 160 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: look right and smell right to a lot of other 161 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: folks who are watching this. 162 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: So your point, Yes, that is correct. 163 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: If I heard the warden say it having her here 164 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: has been so disruptive to our population that we're keeping 165 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: her away, And didn't we hear at some point other 166 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: inmates didn't want anything to do with the want to 167 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: be around here. 168 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: Well, there was somebody who actually fired a shot, and 169 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: other inmates were actually concerned about their own safety. 170 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: They've had to add security. 171 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 4: They've had to put back up a black tarp that 172 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: they had taken down so inmates were able to look 173 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: out beyond the barbed wire and the gates, and now 174 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: they can't because they've had to They've had to make 175 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: significant adjustments and security and certain like logistics because Gleen 176 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 4: is there, so certain perks that the inmates had they 177 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 4: don't have anymore. And that's certainly interesting. But yes, you 178 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 4: mentioned the other emails. There were some other just interesting ones. 179 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 4: She was voicing frustration with the media and with other people, 180 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 4: perhaps fellow inmates, selling rubbish stories and making money from 181 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 4: their lives. 182 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: We understand that frustration. 183 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: Well, you can imagine you're in there. 184 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: You have access to the person that everybody wants access to, 185 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Glaane Maxwell. You just looking at her walking through the 186 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: place somebody would pay money to have that information. 187 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: The Wall Street Journal admitted that they sent I believe 188 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 4: one hundred letters or emails to inmates trying to get 189 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 4: information about. 190 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: What the situation was like there. 191 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: So, yes, there are active reporting going on where they 192 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: are trying to get other inmates to talk about what 193 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 4: it's like with Glene. 194 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: How many responses that they get from the. 195 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: They had quite a few in their article. Some were named, 196 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 4: some were unnamed, but certainly, yeah, it. 197 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: Was really the inmates are bringing their name on them. 198 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: The one who did got moved next day, she once, 199 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 4: once it was published. Within days, her lawyer said she 200 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: was moved to a harsher facility for speaking out or 201 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 4: for at least speaking to the media. 202 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: And so that is interesting. 203 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: And here's my question, Yeah, are you not allowed to 204 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: do that as an inmate or do you have to 205 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: get permission to do it as an inmate, because of 206 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: course we have inmates to interviews from the jail house 207 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: all the time. 208 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: But one so it's interesting you asked that. 209 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 4: So Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland, he's one of the 210 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: ones who's made an inquiry about this VIP treatment and 211 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 4: about the Washington Journal, sorry, the Wall Street Journal article, 212 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: and he specifically talked about the retaliation that these inmates 213 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 4: have been threatened with if they speak about Maxwell to 214 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 4: the media. 215 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 3: And so here's what he said. 216 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 4: While prison officials may limit inmates' First Amendment rights to 217 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 4: preserve security and order, you have provided no such justification 218 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: for why prison security requires a Gallaine Maxwell gag order. 219 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 4: And he wrote that to the prison camp warden, who 220 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 4: we've been talking. 221 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: About a Glaim Maxwell gag order, I don't know what 222 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: they're allowed to do. 223 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: And so Representative Raskin has actually given Warden Hall a 224 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: deadline November thirteenth, So next Thursday, he's saying, you need 225 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 4: to provide documentation to Congress and coordinate a visit with 226 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 4: me to speak so that we can go and speak 227 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 4: with inmates about their experiences. So now members of Congress 228 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 4: want to go to this facility in Texas to speak 229 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: directly with inmates so that they can actually understand whether 230 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 4: or not Maxwell is getting unfair VIP treatment. 231 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: This is where we are right now. 232 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 4: Our government is shut down, we have flights being canceled, 233 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 4: we have workers missing a full month's pay. But we're 234 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 4: going to have members of Congress travel to Texas to 235 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 4: interview inmates to see if Galaiine Maxwell is getting special treatment. 236 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't put that together. Yea. 237 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: But when you put all you and you say that 238 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: out loud, give me a break. I know how important 239 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: some but if it's the most important thing to make 240 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: sure she doesn't have a plush blanket in prison, that's 241 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: low on the list. 242 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: Of priorities right now. Don't don't. 243 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: Don't get pissed that she's there. Find out why she's 244 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: there before you go talk to other And what is 245 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: the point of this? 246 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 3: It's politics? 247 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 4: What? 248 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: But this is because you win points by saying I'm 249 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: going after Glaine mat No, no, no, they're not even 250 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: going Yes, they are going after her. 251 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 4: Yes, well they're going after the special treatment that is 252 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 4: alleged to have been given to her by the Trump administration. 253 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: Ding ding ding ding. 254 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 4: So obviously, just to point out for everyone, just a 255 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: quick refresher, but I'm sure you need no refreshing that 256 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 4: Glaine was moved within days of speaking to Assistant Attorney 257 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: General Todd Blanche. She gave that two day, nine hour 258 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 4: session where she gave all the information she says she 259 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 4: had about Epstein's clients. Interestingly, again, if you don't remember, 260 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 4: she had wonderful things to say say about President Trump 261 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 4: and the fact that he never acted in any way 262 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 4: untoward towards any of the girls, that he was a gentleman, 263 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: and woila he She within days is then moved to 264 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 4: this posh prison camp. 265 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: I say posh, but cush whatever. 266 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: She she praised Trump about as much as she praised 267 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: as warden. This woman is a survivor. I mean nah, 268 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: but some of the words she reserved for this warden. 269 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: And I remember she didn't just have to say I 270 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: didn't see Trump do anything wrong or illegal. 271 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: I think he's a wonderful leader. He's done so impressive 272 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: what he's done. 273 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: She went a little far, but he's the Is he 274 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: now her only option for getting out of prison? 275 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 4: Yes? And you can understand why now some of these 276 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 4: Democrats are going after this because they see this as 277 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 4: a way to keep the Jeffrey Epstein conversation in the zeitgeist, 278 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: and that doesn't bear well for Trump, and so at 279 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: least that's what they're hoping that it makes Trump look 280 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 4: because all the connections between Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, so 281 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 4: they can keep this story alive, the more emails they 282 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 4: can get a visit down there to show, Hey, we're 283 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 4: gonna make sure that this inmate isn't getting special treatment 284 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 4: by the Trump administration. 285 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: That is what this is all about. 286 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: Uh okay, I hear everything you're saying. I can't disagree with. 287 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: But when we started this, my head wasn't there. I 288 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: was thinking, oh, yeah, these things are come out. It's 289 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: a little interesting, but you piece it all together. And 290 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: when you said shut down, that was the part that stings. 291 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: We are what forty day forty now longest in history, 292 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: snap benefits, dried up people are struggling. Is anybody in 293 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: Middle America given a god damn whether or not she's 294 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: getting a smoothie every morning or just a shower by herself. Look, 295 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: I know who the families, and they don't want her 296 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: to have something nice, to have a luxury life if 297 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: you will, behind bars. 298 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: But right now. 299 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: I hear you on the timing. 300 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 4: I do think people care, if people of power and 301 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 4: people a position. This was a woman who was wildly 302 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 4: wealthy and had so much, and I know she had 303 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: some a downfall of her father, but she was raised 304 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 4: in how many bedrooms of a house like fifty something 305 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 4: something room. So you have this very powerful woman who 306 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 4: now is getting it seems as though she's getting preferential treatment. 307 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 4: And there's nothing that people hate more than that. 308 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: Even behind bars, they are living privileged lives. That's important, 309 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: that's worth looking into, that is worth noting for a 310 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: person who who is convicted now doing some of the 311 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: most monstrous things you can imagine, which is abusive children. 312 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, and that her fellow inmates feel the same 313 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: way because they actually don't want to be associated with 314 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 4: be around someone who committed a crime like that. They 315 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: don't feel like they're they should be subjected to being 316 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 4: around someone like that. 317 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I guess if I say to everybody 318 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: right now, heye, folks, quick, who are the two most 319 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: famous inmates in the country, you would probably come up 320 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: with the two names, certainly Gallainne Maxwell and the other 321 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs. And apparently we all weren't the only 322 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: ones keeping an eye on that trial. We'll tell you 323 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: what Gallaine Maxwell had to say about Didty, his trial 324 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: and his sentence. All right, folks, will continue now. Gleaine 325 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: Maxwell apparently is living it up in prison and Congress 326 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: wants to do something about it. Yes, we've been talking 327 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: about her emails being released now, some interesting stuff in there, 328 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: but she certainly made clear in some of these emails 329 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: that have now been released that things are going better 330 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: for in this low minimum security prison. 331 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: What do you call it prison club? 332 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: Mech club effet is what it's called club fed And 333 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 4: I actually wanted so. Gallaine's attorney has been dealing with 334 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 4: a bunch of incoming now with folks upset about these emails, 335 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 4: and they're upset that they've been released. It's unclear how 336 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 4: the House Committee these emails, and it's absolutely unclear how 337 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 4: NBC News got these emails, so that is unknown. But 338 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: her family has spoken out they're very upset about the 339 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: fact that their private emails have now been made public, 340 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 4: which I get, and her attorney also said the same thing. 341 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: But I did appreciate this line. 342 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: He said, it's time to get over the fact that 343 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: she is in a safer facility. We should want that 344 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: for everyone. What do you say, that's a hard thing 345 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 4: to refute that. 346 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: Period point blank? 347 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: Well, okay, fine, but yeah, there's a there's a lot 348 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: of inmates who are deserving of that. 349 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: Why does she get it exactly. 350 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 4: And look, we've heard complaints she was complaining about in 351 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 4: her previous facility, the food, the fighting, the fear that 352 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 4: she had. 353 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: She talked about how. 354 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: Disgusting the situation and her living conditions were very similar 355 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 4: to what we heard from Sean Diddy Combs. 356 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: Did you say, fear, food, and fighting. 357 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: Pretty much the three f's you don't want to be around. 358 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: I've never been in prison, but if you asked me 359 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: to describe it those I would have described that people 360 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: are usually scared and the food socks. 361 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, okay exactly. 362 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 4: I felt like we heard the exact same thing from Didty, 363 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 4: though he was complaining about the food, and that does 364 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 4: not again, doesn't make other people see these folks of 365 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 4: privilege who've probably had Michelin star meals their entire lives, 366 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 4: complaining about the rubber chicken they're getting in prison. 367 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: Okay, but he was at MBC in Brooklyn. That's a 368 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: notorious facility. 369 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it was easy, yes, but we did. 370 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 4: Among the many emails that we got from Glenda, we 371 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: were able to see there was an excerpt from one 372 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 4: where apparently Gahlene Maxwell was following the Sean Diddy Cums trial. 373 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 3: Just like the rest of us. 374 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: She was probably listening to our podcast. 375 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 4: I'm sure she was, Yes, so she she was paying attention. 376 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: She wrote this in an email. What an interesting sentence 377 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 4: for ditty exclamation point. 378 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 3: Hmm. 379 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 2: Would she write that one too? 380 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: No, I don't know, but that's so bizarre to me, 381 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: like she's almost being cheeky about his sentence, comparing his 382 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 4: to hers. 383 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: Maybe obviously she had a much longer sentence. 384 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: That is the one in all the emails, you've say, 385 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: and that was just a short little line, little qui. 386 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: Of all of them, that was the one I would 387 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: like to follow up with her about. So tell me, 388 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: what did you really think? 389 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 3: Do you think he deserved all that time behind bars? 390 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, look, there aren't similarities, and yet 391 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 4: there are still sex crimes involved. Just yeah, very different. 392 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 4: But maybe some people might say no, so it is. 393 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 4: I guess it would make sense that maybe she wanted 394 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 4: to see what a jury would throw at him versus 395 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 4: what she was faced with. Because her attorney, her family members, 396 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 4: she all, they all claim she did nothing wrong. 397 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 3: She's been fighting this whole time. 398 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 4: But remember in October, the Supreme Court declined to hear 399 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: her appeal. So that email that we saw her sending 400 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 4: to her lawyer where the warden was helping her with 401 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 4: all of yeah, that material or at least getting it expedited, 402 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 4: that was all in preparation for this Supreme Court appeal 403 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: that didn't happen. 404 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: And that is it for her. There is no more, 405 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: there's no legal avenue she is pursuing at this point. 406 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court say, when you're trying to hear the 407 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: appeals are. 408 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 4: Done exactly, So presidential clemency is her only option at 409 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 4: this point. Right now, her projected release date is twenty 410 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 4: thirty seven. So and look, the latest wee for from 411 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 4: Trump is still up in the air. He's kept the 412 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 4: Diddy thing going, and he's kept the Gleane Maxwell thing 413 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 4: going because right shut it down, No, because of he didn't. 414 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 4: Right after the Supreme Court made their decision not to 415 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 4: hear her appeal, he told reporters he would speak with 416 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: the Justice Department and quote would have to take a 417 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 4: look at whether he would consider a pardon. 418 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: He hasn't shut They refuted a TMZ report that he 419 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: was going to pardon Didty, but they didn't say no 420 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: he won't be partning Didty. He has not said no, 421 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: I won't be pardoning Gleaine Maxwell. Why maybe he but 422 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: this you have to come to the conclusion he's considering it. 423 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: It's not off the table. 424 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 4: Oh, I absolutely agree. He one hundred percent is considering it. 425 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 4: If he didn't want to do it, if he wasn't 426 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: going to do it, he would tell us. He's a 427 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 4: pretty straight shooter when it comes to that kind of thing. 428 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: If he doesn't want to do something, he will tell 429 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 4: you he's. 430 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: Deciding and what this means to him, what it does 431 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: for him. Which one would hurt him more politically? 432 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 4: I think Glamee Maxwell would hurt him more significantly. I 433 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 4: think he could pardon Diddy and UHL and feel like 434 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 4: a lot of folks might say that was the right 435 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 4: thing to do. He spent a little bit of time 436 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 4: in prison, but now he shouldn't have to serve the 437 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 4: rest of it out. 438 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 3: So I actually don't think that would hurt him very 439 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: much at all. 440 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: Make a good point, but I don't. 441 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 4: I was shocked. I have to say I was shocked 442 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 4: when he did not shoot that down. 443 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, internet might explode if he pardoned. 444 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 4: So then the question becomes why would he write? And 445 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 4: that's when people start. 446 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: To really, why would he? 447 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 3: Why would he? 448 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: And the and the reasoning behind it, people would say, 449 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: is that he knows Galaine knows something, and she's being 450 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 4: cool and praising him and saying all the right things 451 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: because she knows. 452 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 3: He knows that she knows. But that's just what some 453 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: folks say. 454 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: Clearly, no one can possibly know what really has gone 455 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 4: on between those two, but it does. It is a 456 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 4: head scratcher that he has not come out and said 457 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: we're done. I am not pardoning her, but we shall 458 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 4: see and we will certainly keep our eye on all 459 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 4: of this. We thank you for listening to us on 460 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: this Sunday. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. 461 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.