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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal ull that.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy. You

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Speaker 2: want to be happy for Dake Edo State?

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Speaker 3: Is that woo woo? And no them and tie Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 3: The calendar has turned to October, has it not?

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Speaker 2: It has? It was eighty degrees here yesterday, so I'm

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Speaker 2: not fully in the autumnal mindset yet, but it is

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Speaker 2: nice that we have a full month plus behind us

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Speaker 2: in the season. So I'm I'm giddy ty.

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Speaker 3: The burning question on everybody's mind over at verballers dot com.

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Speaker 3: Who is actually good, who is probably good?

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Speaker 1: Who is.

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Speaker 3: We think good but not great?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And which team is just a September sweetie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just came up with that term. It was

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Speaker 2: the most g rated term that I found to be

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Speaker 2: acceptable in my brain after crossing out several alternates that

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Speaker 2: may or may not be used on a Patriot League

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Speaker 2: Lightning Round description later in the season. September sweety is

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Speaker 2: somebody who jumps out to a quick, fun first month

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Speaker 2: of the season, but you see obvious flaws, but nevertheless

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Speaker 2: a fun, cool story. Colorado, Colorado, Okay, definitely September sweety,

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Speaker 2: And I mean it's a distant cousin or maybe even

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Speaker 2: a close cousin of the September Heisman as we.

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Speaker 3: Know, which is perfectly fine. Yeah, of course, if you're Colorado,

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Speaker 3: you'll take that. I mean, you'll take any accolades. After

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Speaker 3: going one and eleven a year ago and being like

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Speaker 3: very cool and exciting and a ratings magnet in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three, it's fine to be choice D in this case.

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Speaker 2: For Colorado, absolutely it'll take because there are a number

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Speaker 2: of teams who, from the jump Pittsburgh Panthers have just

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Speaker 2: been very depressing for it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, no, you'll you'll take September sweety if

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Speaker 3: you're Colorado. We've entered the stage with Colorado where say

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Speaker 3: anything remotely true but a little one flattering is frowned

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Speaker 3: upon by a great number of people who are just

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Speaker 3: fixated on the Colorado story.

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Speaker 2: And that's including like Tracy McGrady. Right, So I don't

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Speaker 2: know if Tray McGrady is a Colorado, but you get

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Speaker 2: the ire of a number of NBA names who are

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Speaker 2: suddenly interested in college football.

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Speaker 3: Listen, we're fans of coach pro Fine, we're fans of

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Speaker 3: the fans of the Colorado story. But there are some

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Speaker 3: flaws that we've talked through on the show, notable flaws,

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Speaker 3: and that's fine, that's fine, we'll continue to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: I suspect you've got a few teams on the tip

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Speaker 3: and play our game with.

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Speaker 2: So let's do it. Let's do it. Here we go.

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Speaker 2: So this is quite easy. This is multiple choice for you.

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Speaker 2: But I'm also in this discussion, and I will weigh

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Speaker 2: in because okay, that's who I am. First question. Here

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Speaker 2: we go, concentrate now here it is.

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Speaker 3: I didn't expect Regis is going to be part of this.

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Speaker 2: Regis is here. Regis is here. Richis is always watching

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Speaker 2: from above.

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Speaker 1: Rip.

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Speaker 2: We'll start in a personal fashion time. The Oregon Ducks

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Speaker 2: sit undefeated in a challenging PAC twelve, with a high

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Speaker 2: point of winning their first two conference matchups forty two

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Speaker 3: I mean what makes me say that is the fact

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Speaker 2: I like where Oregon's at defensively.

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Speaker 3: What I would really like to see from Org is

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Speaker 2: And Wazoo the Utah.

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Speaker 3: So I'd like to see better numbers on that side

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm with you with probably great And

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Speaker 2: as for your point, I think it's a worthwhile one,

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Speaker 2: especially with a running quarterback as we saw. I think

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Speaker 2: those numbers come a lot from Texas Tech, and they

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Speaker 2: The good news is the next team they play Washington,

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Speaker 2: They are the most talented team in the Pac twelve.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean they're the best team, but I think they're

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Speaker 2: any other team that they're going to face, that includes USC,

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Speaker 2: that includes Washington. Their receiving group is not as good

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Speaker 2: overall there's reason to believe that they're great and we'll

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Speaker 2: win this conference. So I'm with you, probably great b

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Speaker 2: next team, Dan, I should take this opportunity to remind

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Speaker 2: you that you have one lifetime. It's like a lifeline,

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Concentrate now here? It is Thanks reach, I'm also reaching.

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Speaker 2: You got to reach. I'm deech Michigan is five and

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Speaker 2: zero and hasn't for even a second been challenged this season,

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Speaker 2: thanks in large part due to the nation's one hundred

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Speaker 2: and twelfth rank schedule. Thus far, they lead the nation

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Speaker 2: have a clue who Michigan is. Are they definitely great,

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Speaker 2: probably great, good, but not great, or a September sweetie,

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Speaker 2: Michigan is a definitely great.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they are definitely great. And I am fed up with.

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Speaker 3: Some of the negative press that I have seen out

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Speaker 3: State definitely has some weakness. You mentioned Maryland if you

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Speaker 3: want to talk about Maryland, Maryland definitely has some weakness

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Speaker 3: I have seen nothing thus far that has talked me

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Speaker 3: off of that point. So I'm all in on Michigan.

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Speaker 3: I remain all in on Michigan. This is definitely a

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Speaker 2: If there is a definitely great team in college football

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Speaker 1: Hi, Bill, how are you? I'm great? How are you? Bill?

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Speaker 3: The Georgia Bulldogs are five to zero, but struggled for

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Speaker 3: that I made that comment was because they looked at

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Speaker 3: passer grades against the better teams quote unquote better teams

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Speaker 3: on the schedule, and before last week it was Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: and it was SMU, and in both of those games

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Speaker 3: I watched them in their entirety. He was missing open guys,

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Speaker 3: he was sailing balls over the middle, and there were

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Speaker 3: definitely plays that he should have converted on that he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Now that is not to say Dylan Gabriel has taken

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Speaker 3: a giant step back. I do not mean to imply

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Speaker 3: that that is the case. Dylan Gabriel threw for three

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Speaker 3: sixty six last week against an Iowa State defense that

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Speaker 3: we thought was pretty good. So maybe, like a lot

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Speaker 3: of those subjective measures, it's all a bunch of bs,

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Speaker 3: and maybe it's not something I should put much sock in.

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Speaker 3: I happened to think just that Texas is better than Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: I think Texas is better than Oklahoma, and I'm very

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Speaker 3: curious still about the state of this defense as they

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Speaker 3: play against better offenses.

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Speaker 2: I think Texas is ahead of Oklahoma, which is a

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Speaker 2: big reason why, because Sarka has just been there longer

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Speaker 2: and the coaches. I think Texas is ahead of the

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Speaker 2: point stands. I think Texas is ahead of Oklahoma. I

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Speaker 2: think they're going to beat Oklahoma this weekend. And what

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see from Oklahoma as we get deeper

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Speaker 2: into this thing. First off, can Dylan Gabriel stay healthy,

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Speaker 2: because Dylan Gabriel's got a bit of a checkered pass

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the injury bug. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: see him out there on the field. And secondly, what

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Speaker 2: does it look like when they go up against teams

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Speaker 2: with better offenses? Is it going to be one of

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Speaker 2: those deals again like it's been, where they got to

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Speaker 2: outscore the opponent or can they continue using this defense

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Speaker 2: as a tool to hold down an opponent and then

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Speaker 2: slowly get separation with their offense. That is the outstanding

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Speaker 2: question for me on Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: None of what I'm saying, by the way, should relegate

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Speaker 3: them to a three loss team. I think they're probably

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Speaker 3: ten and two at worst. Okay, I just don't get

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Speaker 3: the warm fuzzies about Oklahoma in the way that I expected.

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Speaker 3: We are entering the meat of their quarterback schedule. So

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Speaker 3: it's Quen Yours likely, John Rice Plumbley, Jalen Daniels for

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Speaker 3: camps provided provided he's healthy, even if he's not.

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Speaker 2: Jason Bean with a by thrown in there between Texas

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Speaker 2: and UCF and then after that, I'll due respect to

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, West Virginia by U TCU not quite on

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Speaker 2: the level of this next stretch that's gonna be huge

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Speaker 2: for me. It's the Oklahoma defense. It's the Oklahoma pass defense,

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Speaker 2: It's the Oklahoma pass rush. I think they're going to

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Speaker 2: continue to improve an offense that has largely been good

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Speaker 2: but has had some slow down moments. That's where I

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Speaker 2: have Oklahoma right now. I think they have more ways

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Speaker 2: to win, certainly than they did last year. They do,

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Speaker 2: and I think they will they will continue to develop

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Speaker 2: those ways over the course of the season. So I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm in on Oklahoma. I think the juice is real,

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Speaker 2: sweet and acidic. Sweet, real, an acidic. What I'm most

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Speaker 2: curious to see on the defensive side of the ball

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Speaker 2: is the one kind of red stat Let's say, when

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Speaker 2: we look at the spreadsheet and we see the red

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Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball, where is it

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Speaker 2: right now? When they blitz you what we'd consider.

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Speaker 3: A big play as a result of a blitz, they've

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Speaker 3: given up some of those, and though I don't think

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Speaker 3: their competition thus far has been good enough to truly

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Speaker 3: punish them in that sense, we'll find out against some

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Speaker 3: of these better quarterbacks. You know, if they start bringing

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Speaker 3: pressure against quin Ewers, and he's able to hit a

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Speaker 3: bomb down the sidelines to whoever. We'll know if Kansas

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Speaker 3: can take advantage. There are some moments here on the schedule,

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Speaker 3: as you said, they get into the meat of their

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks that they're playing. We'll find out if their blitz

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Speaker 3: is ineffective or if this is just a mirage.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, as it relates to the Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: offense moving forward against this schedule, do you know how

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Speaker 2: many top forty defenses they face after Texas?

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Speaker 3: After Texas top forty defenses.

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Speaker 2: Zero zero Top forty defenses per sp plus are now,

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Speaker 2: dear lifetime friend Bill Connolly, they do not face a

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Speaker 2: top forty defense as it stands now after Texas.

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Speaker 3: Okay, pretty good, all right, so let's continue this conversation

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Speaker 3: over on Patreon. I know you still want to talk

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Speaker 3: about Florida State. We can do that. We also need

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Speaker 3: to dip into our verballer burning questions. We've talked a

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Speaker 3: lot about good and great teams. Today we need to

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Speaker 3: talk about secretly decent teams.

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Speaker 2: Dan ooh.

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Speaker 3: Also some assumptions we had in the preseason that now

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Speaker 3: we're going to challenge a month into the season, and

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Speaker 3: more specific questions about the better way to rank teams,

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Speaker 3: and even what the heck happened to two Lane so

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Speaker 3: far this season. All those questions came in from our

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Speaker 3: patrons out at verbalers dot com. You've been listening to

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Speaker 3: the preview of the full episode. Before we go any further, though,

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Speaker 3: we do need to take care of some housekeeping that

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Speaker 3: we did not get to on Saturday night. We went

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Speaker 3: so fast through all of the action on Saturday night

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Speaker 3: that we forgot to do our doodle words, which has become,

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Speaker 3: you know, one of the tent pole segments on every

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Speaker 3: Reaction episode. Do you have any names of dudes from

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Speaker 3: week five that we should call out here?

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Speaker 2: I'm loading them up now, but yes I do. This

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Speaker 2: is from some of the listeners. Cooper de Jene, Brock, Bauers,

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Speaker 2: Zane Durant. He was all over the place for Penn State,

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Speaker 2: was he not?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Squirrel White for Tennessee, Sam Hartman. Just because

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Speaker 2: of that run that fourth and sixty, that's a dude run.

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Speaker 2: That was a dude right now. Know you own dudrun

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Speaker 2: dot org tie, but that's a dude run. So I'm

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Speaker 2: going to say that next one, I have Howard Cross

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Speaker 2: Ray Davis, L. Ray, Oh my God, L Ray and Smith,

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Speaker 2: Troy Franklin for Oregon Absolute Dude, Jonathan Brooks for Texas,

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart played like a dude for Ole miss Those

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Speaker 2: are your dude of Week five.

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Speaker 3: Join us over at verbalers dot com for the full

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Speaker 3: episode as we answer a few more questions about where

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Speaker 3: things stand in the world.

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Speaker 2: Of college football.

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