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Speaker 2: Well, Hannah, first of all, you know, welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Renee Substowns podcast. I finally, finally, it's only taken like

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Speaker 2: But but before we get going, people are probably like,

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Speaker 2: You're killing it, Hannah, You're killing it. You had a

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Speaker 2: at Looking at All Your shit on Uh, You've got

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Speaker 2: Giggly Squad with Paige Desorbo. You were just on Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Seriously, he could tell you. It was like I got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I mean if many people I saw that,

432
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 2: Andy Rottick sord have talked about that on his podcast

433
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: because the week before and everyone's like Andy Rotic doesn't

434
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 2: need to be talking about this. I'm like, he's married

435
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: to a woman, like get over it. Like also, yes,

436
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 2: Andy Roddicks should be talking about it. I love that

437
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 2: he's like I brought it up and saying how difficult

438
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 2: it is for women and all the things about having

439
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: to deal with that. I mean, I didn't play an

440
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: Olympics doubles one year, my first ever Olympics, because of

441
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 2: my period was so bad. I was on the first

442
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 2: time it happened to me, and then after that, I subsequently,

443
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 2: you know, I knew how to deal with it. I

444
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 2: couldn't get up. I was in so much pain that.

445
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: Would you would you ever take pills to like skip

446
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: that week?

447
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I went on the pill immediately, and clearly,

448
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: as everybody knows, I didn't worry about getting pregnant. So

449
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 2: I was like, that's how I had to deal with

450
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 2: my professional career.

451
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: But no one talks about it. I had no idea

452
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: about it. And there's this thing about sports betting that

453
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 1: apparently they're trying to track women's periods to know fs.

454
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Speaker 1: I know, well they're doing it with a w B A.

455
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: And then I started doing stand up jokes about it,

456
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: being like the w B A if you're in your period.

457
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: There should be more points, you know, you should have

458
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: he heat heated pads on the benches for all the girls.

459
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: I said, do you know you see them put it

460
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 2: on their back right they sat down, they had it

461
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: on their stomach.

462
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, put it right in your stomach. Also, I feel

463
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: like you should be able to to foul out. You

464
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: can't fill out if you're pms like unlimited fouls.

465
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: Should have at least two extra fouls.

466
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Speaker 1: You're like, she's having a day, like, let her go.

467
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: I just know, and then you see your talk to

468
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: her buddy us, I'm sorry, man, just like a little

469
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: bit out there. Wanted so, I wanted so, I wanted

470
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: to bring up cocoa. Like it's been a struggle, right,

471
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: she wins the French open. Everyone's like, yes, like this

472
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: is it. But but I you know, and I've talked

473
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: about it on the podcast a lot. Clay helps her

474
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: so much. Right, it gives a timer a forehand. She

475
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: can hit kind of a shitty second serve and get

476
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: away with it by using her athleticism around the court

477
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: to get the balls back in the court and frustrate

478
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 2: her opponents. And on Clay, as you know, and as

479
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: I know, it's a patient game. You can't just go

480
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: for winners. You can't smash a serve and get a

481
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: free point. So why Serena only won a couple of

482
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: French opens, like her serve was nullified a little.

483
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: Bit on I know, only a couple of French opens.

484
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: Like that's terrible, terrible, But you're right.

485
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: People can't hit a winner on Coco when it's clay

486
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: and she can do have time with her forehand to

487
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: kind of guide it gets away with way more on clay.

488
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: But my thing with Coco the complete champion mindset. But

489
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: it must be exhausting every I joke, oh it's another

490
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: cocoa match, But every single match she's pulling out by

491
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: the skin of her teeth because you know, she's battling

492
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff within herself, which is the most

493
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: relatable thing ever. But it's exhausting.

494
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean listen when I watch her. I mean,

495
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: and obviously I know her pretty well, and she's a

496
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: great kid. Works so hard, like put in the hours,

497
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: does the work off the court.

498
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: She's a very special person.

499
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this great kid, like great kid. You know, it's

500
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: always even well before she was like super famous, she

501
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: would look me in the eye having a conversation, and

502
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: like people go big deal. I'm like, you have no idea,

503
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: like for a fifteen year old to stand there and

504
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: talk to you and look at you in the eye

505
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: and take in what you're saying. And she's just always

506
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: been like that. She stands up for the right things

507
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: on social media all this stuff, But my god, like perserve,

508
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: I don't understand why now she has literally two coaches,

509
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: nothing has changed on her serf like Hannah, like the

510
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 2: ball toss is so far ahead of her on the

511
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: second serve. I don't understand. There's a couple of basic things.

512
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: I tweeted it out the other day. I think she

513
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: gets too forward on her serve too early, right, so

514
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: she's already sort of leaning into the court. So if

515
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: you're leaning into the court, you're going to fall into

516
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: the court, which she does. And then she're going to

517
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: always hit down on the.

518
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: Ball, and you have to hit up.

519
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: You have to hit up, and you have to stay

520
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: up and you have to hit And I call it

521
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: seven pm on a ball, right, if you think about

522
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: a ball o'clock, she hits at like one pm. She

523
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: needs to hit at seven pm right on the under

524
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: the ball to get the k She needs a better

525
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: kicksurf and I don't understand how they haven't worked on that.

526
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: I mean her grip is messed up as well. It's

527
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: way too far around, So it must be. It must

528
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: be so stressful because I used to have a little

529
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: bit of a yip on my toss for a little while. Yeah,

530
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: to have literally before the Wimbledon final, on my first one,

531
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 2: I was having a like I was literally having an

532
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: anxiety attack about my bald toss on record at Wimbledon.

533
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: In the fire, I managed to deal with it, but like,

534
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: I just got a I got a feeling just now,

535
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: like oh, like not a Chelsea Handler feeling, but like

536
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: a feeling of like Pannick. Yes, because she's on. Every

537
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: match is on cenecor, every match is on Tennis Channel,

538
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: every match on ESPN. It's like, what a fucking nightmare

539
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: for anxiety to deal with.

540
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: That, and having me on as a non professional, I

541
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: can speak on someone who had a lot of mental

542
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: stuff on the court. I was the queen of yips

543
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: and I actually feel very connected to Coco, not because

544
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: I won any Grand Slams, but because I had an

545
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: extreme forehand grip and I was ranked like top fifteen

546
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: in the nation at fourteen, and then I went to

547
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: a tennis academy and changed my grip and I never

548
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: felt comfortable swinging through, which is why I became incredible

549
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: at fourhand slicing, which is for a whole other podcast does.

550
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: And she's throwing a slice, so I'm like, what.

551
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: The fuck was it's and it's not a shot. It's

552
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: a shot that she could easily set up. But I'm

553
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: the one. I'm hitting my forehand on the back foot,

554
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm decelerating. And I would argue, based on what she's

555
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: saying where she said I'm practicing so well, I think

556
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: she's probably hitting crazy great kick serves in practice, but

557
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: her yip is kind of like leaning forward and trying

558
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: to push it down in and then with the forehand

559
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: you just start slowing. It's it's so fucking mental. Excuse

560
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: my French, oh, I swear all the time, but with

561
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: her yet we're Aussies. But for her, it's like she

562
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: has so many brand deals and she's on social media,

563
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: which I hope, I hope her team is just letting

564
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: her post but not consuming it, because I would argue

565
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: Osaka is one of them. There's a lot of people

566
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: who I think are on social media too much and

567
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: it's affecting right before they serve. They're listening to tweets

568
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: in their head of people talking shit, which tennis players

569
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: never had to deal with in the past. Just I mean,

570
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: they'd have the press, but you could just don't read

571
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: the newspaper. Nowadays you're getting notifications every second every day.

572
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 1: So I'm also Coco, she's busy. I just got, you know,

573
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: some emails. She's doing a dinner, she's doing whatever. She

574
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: has all these brand deals. Other girls aren't doing this,

575
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: but she's creating, you know, generational wealth. But she has

576
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: a lot on her plate. And but you're right with

577
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: the serve. Other people they'll even if they're the best

578
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: serve ever, they change it every year, like Alcrez changing

579
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, little tweaks all the time. So I agree

580
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: with everything you're saying.

581
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, my suggestion to her would be after

582
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: the US Open, no Asia, just shut it down like Serena.

583
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: She didn't play Asia, she didn't even play the WTA

584
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: finals like Because you also have to look at the

585
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: surface right now, if at the end of the year

586
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: was on Clay go for it, play right, but it's

587
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 2: on fast, hard courts in China and in Asia or

588
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: in Europe indoors, which none of them are going to

589
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: be great for her surf. So I think you you

590
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: either decide that you're going to break it down like

591
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: big time and change it and check everything about it,

592
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: the grip, the ball toss, everything. Now, if she like

593
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: as you said, if she's hitting it great in practice

594
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: and never misses it, I still believe and I will

595
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: believe this till the day I die, and Billy Jean

596
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: King ossis bad technique breaks down under pressure. So I

597
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: don't care if she's hitting it. If a coach is

598
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: saying but she's hits it great in practice, I'm like, Okay,

599
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: that's fine, but her technique is not good. Her elbow

600
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: is down, her grip is wrong, she's hitting on the

601
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: wrong side of the ball, the ball toss is in

602
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: the wrong position, all those things, and with no pressure,

603
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: it's going to go in in practice. But in a match,

604
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: if you have bad technique, it is going to break

605
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: down a.

606
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: Well, look what Sabalinka did. Yeah, she had she had

607
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: a good enough serve until she got the yips with it.

608
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: And she changed the entire kind of technique behind it,

609
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: and now it's it's been solid. The thing with Cocoa two,

610
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: which is something I dealt with at a low, much

611
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: lower level, was that I was winning a lot. So

612
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: like when you're winning your matches, getting way, I'm getting

613
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: away with it. So and I'm playing one. I don't

614
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: want to go down to floor. So I'm like, I

615
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: don't want to restructure, and like, she's number two in

616
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: the world right.

617
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Now, She's just want a slam.

618
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: She's in major contention everywhere she goes, so it's difficult.

619
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: But I do you think her maybe not doing the

620
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: Asian swing and making some subtle changes and sticking to

621
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: it could be really good base.

622
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that would be my advice for her.

623
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: You know, look, if she goes and Whin's the US Open,

624
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, who am I?

625
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: Right?

626
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: But I mean the bottom line is on the problem

627
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: is these players, like you know the Towsons and you

628
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: know the Mumbaco we're going to get to oh yes,

629
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: like these are tall, tall girls. Go after the return.

630
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: You know this? She on Texas Sabalancas, the rebarking all

631
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: these players are beat Cocoa on a fast cord was

632
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: a nightmare matchup on grass for us. Any chick that

633
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: goes after the return big time is going to always

634
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: threaten Coco on a fast cord.

635
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. We're not questioning how incredible Coco is.

636
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: It's that she wants to be bigger than Serenda Williams.

637
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: So if you want to do that and you're dealing

638
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: with this must much stress in a first round at

639
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: a one thousand three after three setter after three setter.

640
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it's sustainable. Emotionally, it's not so like.

641
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: But I also I don't know if her fourhand will

642
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: ever be you know, solid, But I think if she

643
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: could get that served down, it'll make her life so

644
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: much easier one hundred percent.

645
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: I think if she serves better and more consistently and

646
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: has that feeling of like, oh I'm okay, his first

647
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: service massive, it's over one hundred and twenty miles an hour.

648
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. I mean I had a decent serve and

649
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: if I got up one sixteen, I was pretty happy.

650
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: You know, I'm five Hans, Coco is about my height.

651
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's big. But if you're not hitting that

652
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: in panic stations.

653
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Coco can beete everyone, but it's about

654
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: can you do it every day? Like her ability is there,

655
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: but like how Sabalanca could just blow people off the court.

656
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: Every match with Coco, I get a stomach ache. I

657
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: get so stressed, and I can't imagine how her team

658
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: and her are feeling. And I just want her to

659
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: have a long, happy career.

660
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: We all trust me. We all do because I can

661
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: tell you from a TV standpoint as well, there's about

662
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: three players that bring really good numbers and it's Novak

663
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: and Alcarez and Coco. Wow, that in and of itself,

664
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: we need her in the game and we need to

665
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: do to work. And on top of it, she's a

666
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: great kid. So I just want her to, as you said,

667
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: not go on the court feeling so anxious all the time. Mumbaco, Well,

668
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: let's just chat about that. I mean, as a player,

669
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: I do see some some things on her serve as

670
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: well that it's working now and it's massive. The first

671
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: over the second serves a little predictable elbows, lots of

672
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: things I pick on the little She has.

673
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: Quite unique kind of head movement on her grounds jokes.

674
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: Have you noticed she kind of she jerks her head,

675
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: but I guess it helps her with acceleration and she

676
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: hits a flatcome to the WTA, there's it just flies.

677
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: I love her her maturity on the court.

678
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love her. Yeah, she's chill.

679
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: You're right, she's like laughing with her coaches after missing beforehand.

680
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: I really like her. She's also she's a child. Yes,

681
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: she's a child, but she's I think she's here to stay.

682
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think she can get way better. Like

683
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: I think technique why she's going to get better and better.

684
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 2: I think, as I said, the surf I think can

685
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: get better and if it does, look out because to

686
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: keep can playing. She moves well for her height, like

687
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: she's she's certainly wont to watch. She'll be pushed today

688
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: against the Rabacchino. We'll see where she stands up in

689
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: that situation. I want to chat about Naomi Osaka. When

690
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: if your matches in Montreal, New coach on board with

691
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: Thomas Witchgrousie got rid of your Pemo.

692
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: You know Osaka. I watched her in the beginning of

693
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: this tournament and she still had this kind of like

694
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: depression over her like she still seemed frustrated, but she

695
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: pulled out the matches, and I think enough matches, she's

696
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: gonna wake up one day and just be like back

697
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: in it. I would argue. It's funny though, I when

698
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: they cut to like her previous matches, like winning slams

699
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: in like twenty nineteen, her footwork was different.

700
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: Oh it was better.

701
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that she was She had a very

702
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: diligent footwork, and then it cuts back to the current

703
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: match and she's still slappy on the footwork a bit.

704
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the one thing. And I

705
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: watched to lose to Emma Ratikano last week in DC,

706
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: and the one thing I noticed about her because she

707
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: looks great, Like she looks fit. She's like out of

708
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: shape or anything like that. She's in shape. For her

709
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: footwork and her just it's not good and she's missing

710
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: shots that she wouldn't have. Maybe working now with Thomas Witchgroowski,

711
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: because he's like he's a task master man. I mean

712
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: he's tough, and he's got a personality of like my pen.

713
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Right, I mean he's not messing around.

714
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: He's not a rah rah guy, right, And clearly going

715
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: from working with egostrion Tech and Radvanska who she was.

716
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: He was working probably, I mean two great feet footwork. Yeah,

717
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: worked hard, we're quick around the court. Like he's probably

718
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: gonna get that in order because you're so right, Hannah,

719
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: Like that's the area that she's just not good at anywhere.

720
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: And if you're a super aggressive player, your footwork has

721
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: to be even better because you're going for bigger shots

722
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: and you can't go for the big shots if your

723
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: footwork isn't there. So it's really critical. I feel like

724
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: Coco could get away with, you know, slap your footwork

725
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: because she's hands, she's she's just getting stuff back sometimes.

726
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: But Naomi needs to get her footwork right to dominate

727
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: like she did before. I also, can I bring up

728
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: my American girls?

729
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: I have some I was literally about to say before.

730
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: I can't let you go without talking about Maddie Keys,

731
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: just like suffering through some matches. But also before we

732
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: get to the good stuff. Yes, Piccola, what's going on

733
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: your buddy?

734
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: I know. Just also my claim to fame as I

735
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: played doubles with Jesse Pegoula when we were like fifteen sixteen.

736
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: We lost the match definitely because of me, and I

737
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: bring it up all the time. I honestly like she's

738
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: been so consistent for so long. I just I think

739
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: it's okay that you know she's having some losses, take

740
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: the loss and try to get in your groove again,

741
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: get in your mojo again. Did you tell her this,

742
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to DM her?

743
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I mean, I listen, what do you

744
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: think that it's link?

745
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Okay?

746
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean listen, I think that. Look, Jesse's whole game

747
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: is is talk about hitting the ball flat, and you know,

748
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: she has to be she has to be really confident

749
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: because that ball, she hits it deep, she hits it

750
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: very close to the net. There's not a lot of

751
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: room for her to be playing badly. She's not. She's

752
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: not going to start rolling it in. She's not going

753
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: to start hitting more top spin. That's just not how

754
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: So she has to be confident in her game. And

755
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 2: she's lost some tough ones. I mean, the Layla Fernandez

756
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: class in Washington was probably that was that was the

757
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: tough loss. And I got to give kudos because I

758
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: didn't do a pod last week. Laila Fernandez was awesome

759
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: last week. I mean, she had some unbelieva. Was so

760
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: nice to see her win a couple of matches.

761
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: It was a la the US Open energy.

762
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: We almost had the US Open final like each other

763
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: since that final, so it was kind of bummed to

764
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: Emma loss at semi, but she had a good web

765
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: in Naomi. But yeah, it's nice to see them back

766
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: when I do.

767
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: Think with Jesse, I haven't been like tracking all her results,

768
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: but it comes a point where you know, Coco is

769
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: winning some Grand Slams and I feel like she wants

770
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: to have a breakthrough in the Grand Slam. And I

771
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: don't know how mentally every week they show up when

772
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: they have some like frustrations, like Jesse wants to win

773
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: the Slam. She saw Maddie do it like she's ready,

774
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: and it could kind of weigh on you maybe, but

775
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: I think she has it in her. She just needs

776
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: a pop of a tournament, like she needs to remind

777
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: these girls who she is.

778
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: Well US So I mean obviously Cincinnati, she'll do well

779
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: the other courts and Court's really good for her. Shout

780
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: out to Cincinnati. Oh my god, the new grounds look

781
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: unbelievable and everybody said to me, there's like it feels

782
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: like a grand slam, Amnavaras. Yes, it's put a lot

783
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: of money with the Cincinnati. It's Mason. Okay, it's not,

784
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: but it's Mason the Cincinnati, and you know, they put

785
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 2: a lot of money into it, and apparently it looks unbelievable.

786
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: So maybe Jess has her breakout week they're going into

787
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: the US Open, because she's defending finals points at the

788
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: US Open. Well.

789
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: Also also Emma, she's in her like sophomore year, some

790
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: would say, and people know her game now, but I

791
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: think she's due also for a heart result.

792
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: Do you think that it's coming in the next couple

793
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: of weeks.

794
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just know that she's so good

795
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: coming in as the underdog and just like being like,

796
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: you guys don't even know how good I am. And

797
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: then now that she's seated, it's a whole different mentality,

798
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: and I think she's getting comfortable with that.

799
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that that's what people don't really understand.

800
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: It's like she came into you know, out of college,

801
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: you know, a good college player, very good, very good

802
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: college player, into the pros and it's like it's a

803
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: different world. It's profecttionals, it's people that are literally it's

804
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: their job to be on a tennis court two three

805
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: four hours a day in the gym two hours a day,

806
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: like it's a job. And Emma, bloody hell, she came

807
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: in like as president. She came in like I'm gonna

808
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: be a pro her.

809
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: She wasn't intimidated by anyone.

810
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: No, no, and she has that such cool swagger and

811
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: she's such a funny kid. That's so funny. Yes, she

812
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: looks very chill on the court, and everyone's like, does

813
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: she have a personality on? Like, trust me off the court.

814
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: So I heard the de grape Vine that she listens

815
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: to Giggle Squad, which is my podcast to calm down.

816
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna need to make her lap. Yeah, I know,

817
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out. So she'll every now and then message

818
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: me that she's a giggler, which is really really really cool.

819
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm you know what I'm saying. I'm getting into the WTA.

820
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: I recently was dming Jennifer Brady, who also is hilarious.

821
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: I said, Babe, you gotta get that big ice forehand

822
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: back on tour. Let's get it together. So I'm I'm

823
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: doing some mental rehab with her. Also, can I just say,

824
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: Peyton Steren's struggling, though, man, when she do you remember

825
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: if she had like a ton of really close losses

826
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: in the beginning, when she was like really confident, it

827
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: really took a toll on her. I feel like and

828
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: hurt her confidence when I want her to get back

829
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: to I feel like if she had won one of

830
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: those three setters, she could have been like popping off.

831
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: But I tell you, Hannah, her issue is her serf.

832
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: It is not good. Like her first service, okay, her

833
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: second serve against Venus. I say, Everyone's like, do you

834
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: think Venus has a chance to even come close in

835
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: this match? And I was like, in this match, she

836
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: actually can win. And I said, and the reason is

837
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: if she serves well, if Venus serves well enough, which

838
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: she served great in that match, like was still popping

839
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: down one eighteen miles an hour, Like, okay, she hit

840
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: the first time that Peyton hit a second serf, which

841
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: was the first point of her service game, Venus hit

842
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty mile an hour, fourhand down the

843
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: line winner, And I went, that's why she can win

844
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: this match because Peyton's second serve is not good.

845
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: A coach once told me You're only as good as

846
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: your second serve, which is why I'm sitting here today

847
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: as a podcaster. But it is valid and that's what

848
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: breaks down shut out to Venus, I was texting you

849
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: throughout that whole match. I'm so excited to see her

850
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: out there. And I mean, her footwork was great, her

851
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: the sound of the ball coming off her racket couldn't

852
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: have been crisper. How happy are you about this?

853
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean it was great. I mean just

854
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: to see her, like with that smile on her face

855
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: after she won, because she's always been proud of me.

856
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: You know, she's always sort of given that like I'm

857
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: too cool, Like I'm not going to get too excited

858
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: about stuff. You know, even in the postmatch interview, she

859
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't give you that much. I mean, the joy on

860
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: her face when she won that match was like she'd

861
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: won a Grand Slam. It was. It was so nice

862
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: to see someone who'd been putting in the work clearly

863
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: to get that win. Like, even if it's the last

864
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: one she ever wins, at least she got a win.

865
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: And I also think she's such a Hall of Famer

866
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: and like everything for the sport. But she happened to

867
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: have a sister who was freaking everything. So sometimes I

868
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: feel like she, like people not forgot about Venus, but

869
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: sometimes she was, you know, behind the scenes with the

870
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: Serena stuff. But now her being able to at this

871
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: age accomplish this, I think is such a beautiful moment

872
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: for her and what she represents for the sport.

873
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 2: I just hope, you know, playing at the US Open

874
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: she has like a decent week and or a match

875
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: or two or whatever, and that she gives the crowd

876
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: what the crowd got with Serena a couple of years ago.

877
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: But more importantly for her, she's got her WTA health

878
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: insurance for at least another year.

879
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: Thank goodness.

880
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: This is America as a self employed person, as probably

881
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: you are, yes, getting insurance. Health insurance is some bullshit

882
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: or you get it, and it's horrible.

883
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: Venus needs to get her teeth cleaned too.

884
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all right. Last thing that I want to

885
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: talk to you about, because I tweeted this out the

886
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: other day about the frustration level I have with producers

887
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: show the crowd every single goddamn point, and on top

888
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: of it, they don't show the handshakes or they don't

889
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: show player's reaction when they win matches. It drives me crazy.

890
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: Why do you think this is I don't they're trying

891
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: to be like cinematographers.

892
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: No, My biggest grape with golf is like after someone

893
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: hits a bad shot, they always they always leave it,

894
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: and I'm like, show me the guy being frustrated, show

895
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: me him cursing on his caddy, Like this is the

896
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: drama I want. The tennis reactions is so important. I

897
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: love when they show player, then they show the other player.

898
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: That's what I want to see.

899
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: We miss that Koboli Ben Shelton thing because we went

900
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: from showing Ben sort of going oh what the book,

901
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: and then we never showed Coboli's reaction and that was

902
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: the whole They showed the crowd. I'm like, no, Caboli's reaction.

903
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: If you're on it, that's what you would have shown.

904
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Do you think it's like golf where they're trying to

905
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: like keep it as classy as possible and like god

906
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: forbid someone curses or something.

907
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I think they would. No one was looking at

908
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 2: Ben Shelton going The commentators were like, well, we don't.

909
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: We can't really work out why he's getting frustrated. I

910
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: was listening to the World feed on that one. I

911
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: don't know what the Tennis channel guys said, but I

912
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: was just like, what what do you mean. He's obviously

913
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: gestured something's pissed him off with Koboli. Yeah, never showed

914
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: Coboli's reaction. So towards the end they're like, oh, I

915
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: don't know what's going.

916
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: On, and they were all confused, and then it's like,

917
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: go find a replay of what they're referring to. I

918
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: want to be in the drama, and you know it's

919
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: gonna have tons of articles about it, so you might

920
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: as well at the facts. So we all have opinions.

921
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: I would go as far as I say, like it

922
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: and you know, night to my own horn, But like

923
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: an ESPN, we would say to the produce because sometimes

924
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 2: our producers are on it right. They would have seen

925
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 2: it as well, and they would have had their cameras

926
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: on and they would ah his reaction boom, and they

927
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: would have got that up right. Sometimes or a lot

928
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: of times, it's also on us as commentators to be like,

929
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: get hey, hey, get get Cabaldi's reaction. We'll talk back

930
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: to the producer Andy, get that and that'll tell the

931
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: story and oh, this is why here it is. And

932
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: so when they're shaking hands and they're having that moment,

933
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, this is why.

934
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: I also dislike when for some reason the mic doesn't

935
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: capture like a full conversation to the ref and like

936
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: no one knows what the person's mad at. I'm like,

937
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: I want to get the te can. I also have

938
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: one hot take too about filming. I'm obsessed with when

939
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: they have the camera kind of more behind the players, yes,

940
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: and you get to feel like you're playing oh.

941
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah with the lower camera.

942
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: Whenever they do that, for like return a serve like awesome.

943
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: I love it, like to feel what it's like to

944
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: return like Opelka serve like I. Whenever it's in that position,

945
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: I love it. So if any your producers are listening,

946
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: put a couple more behind the player. Yeah, I agree.

947
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: It's amazing how many people write to me about that

948
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: as well. And it was just like, hey, that that

949
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: camera position is amazing, Like can we see it again?

950
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: What do you think about the make being on the coaches.

951
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: Well as a as a coach, from time to time,

952
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: you got to watch what the f you're saying because again,

953
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: the producers have the ability to put that up or

954
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: down right, and so if you're saying this and f

955
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 2: and that, they'll probably lower it because I don't want

956
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: that on there on their TV. But but yeah, I

957
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: think I think it's great. I think it's great when

958
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: you hear like Ben Shelton's dad saying stout stuff to him,

959
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: or like the other day he said on match point,

960
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: he goes, if you go down the two, it'll be

961
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: an ace. I'm thinking, mate, if he hits it anywhere

962
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: on the court, it's gonna be And you know what

963
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: he did, He went out wide and hit it because

964
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: his dad, you should have dead boy turned around, was like,

965
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: But I thought that was kind of hilarious. But anyway, Hannah,

966
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I could keep you here all day, all day.

967
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: I just want everybody to know the last time I

968
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: hit tennis balls, Hannah. And this is a true story because,

969
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: as you know, I went to Wimbledon to play in

970
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: the in the legends, but oh, there's my soup. He's

971
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 2: dropping something off. But I didn't get to play because

972
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: I had to go home for my mom's funeral and stuff.

973
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: So it was a bit of a disaster. So the

974
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: last time I hit tennis balls was with you, Hannah

975
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: Burner in New York.

976
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: Can we do it again?

977
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: Please?

978
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: I would love to. I had so much fun. You

979
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: were helping me with my back in Vali, and we

980
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: got into quite a groove, like we had some really

981
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: good rallies.

982
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hadn't hit for like five months, and I

983
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: was like, oh I still got it.

984
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm okay, thank god, but I had so much fun.

985
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

986
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: Definitely do it again. Let's actually, should we get a

987
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: wildcard to the US Open?

988
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's start pleading now, like Alex d. Minor

989
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 2: is pleading to get a wild card with his soon

990
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: to be wife.

991
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: I didn't.

992
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he he is, like he is, like if

993
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: he could write a resume, he would. It's a classic

994
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: what he's trying to do right now. But anyway, I

995
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: hate given props, and he deserves one, because that guy

996
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: is unbelievable. Yes, Hannah, you have your None of Your

997
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: Business tour. Oh yes, starting in two days, and if

998
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 2: you want to go to it in the first five shows,

999
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: bad fucking luck because it's sold out.

1000
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: Go at Hanniburn dot com. I'm probably coming to your

1001
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: state in the in the fall. Check it out and yeah,

1002
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so happy to be on this part

1003
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 1: and I have to come back. Maybe you is open,

1004
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: we'll talk.

1005
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do something that us open, because you know,

1006
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: you know your tennis. You watch your tennis. I love that.

1007
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: Yourself so into it. It's my favorite thing. And if

1008
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: you follow Hannah on Instagram Hannah Burner, all she posts

1009
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: are her fucking videos hitting tennis balls. It's so you

1010
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: play more tennis than anybody I know, other than maybe

1011
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 2: my other podcast partner Caitlyn Thompson, who plays.

1012
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: Oh look, we love the game. It's a game for life.

1013
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 2: You frustrated, D one and college.

1014
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: That's of my biography.

1015
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: We cannot let go of the dream. Oh well, Michael

1016
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: Kosta wrote a book as you and I know Michael

1017
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: quite well, and I have his book here because he

1018
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: sent it to me called Lucky Loser. I read it. Yeah,

1019
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: So anyway, I just love the fact that the two

1020
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: of you are killing it so much in comedy and

1021
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: tennis is such a great way to not only stay

1022
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: fit and healthy, but also I don't know, you just

1023
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: you understand the ups and downs and getting out there

1024
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: in front of a crowd and just doing what you're doing.

1025
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: It's it's amazing. So August seventh, the tour starts. So

1026
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: proud of you. Hit some tennis balls and I was

1027
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: a little surprised that you had the start of the

1028
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: tour before the US Open, thinking that you might start

1029
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: it after.

1030
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: But you're a pro, you know. I took that week

1031
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: off for the US Open.

1032
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: There you go. That's when you know's I would have

1033
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 2: to see you there again, desk, That's that's my goal.

1034
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would pee myself and.

1035
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 2: Make sure Dan is there, Santa in the studio.

1036
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: Shout out to Dan, Shout out to Dan.

1037
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: Hannah, I love you so much that I.

1038
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: Love you dude, Thank you, Renee.

1039
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: I'd have a good rest of your day. And by

1040
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: what's the cat's name, oh boos has been spooting around

1041
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: you the whole time. Ye