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Listen to Hello Somebody every Thursday on 27 00:01:28,569 --> 00:01:34,459 Speaker 6: the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,270 Speaker 5: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that shares 29 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:45,690 Speaker 5: the secrets of success experienced firsthand by marketing and branding expert, 30 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:46,449 Speaker 5: Rashawn McDonald. 31 00:01:46,810 --> 00:01:47,270 Speaker 7: I will know. 32 00:01:47,430 --> 00:01:49,570 Speaker 5: He's given me advice on many occasions, and in case 33 00:01:49,590 --> 00:01:52,669 Speaker 5: you didn't notice, I'm not broke. You know he'll be 34 00:01:52,710 --> 00:01:56,590 Speaker 5: interviewing celebrities, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and industry decision makers. It's what 35 00:01:56,610 --> 00:01:58,770 Speaker 5: he likes to do. It's what he likes to share. 36 00:01:59,230 --> 00:02:02,030 Speaker 5: Now it's time to hear from my man, Rashawn McDonald. 37 00:02:02,370 --> 00:02:03,500 Speaker 5: Money Making Conversations. 38 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:04,310 Speaker 3: Here we go. 39 00:02:05,020 --> 00:02:08,340 Speaker 8: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. I am your host, Rashawn McDonald. 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 8: I tell people every week as we start this show, 41 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 8: it's time to stop reading other people's success stories and 42 00:02:13,340 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 8: actually start writing your own. A lot of people are 43 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:18,220 Speaker 8: held back. I always tell people, you're here by gifts. 44 00:02:18,260 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 8: You're here by passion. I tell people to leave with 45 00:02:20,260 --> 00:02:24,630 Speaker 8: their gifts. And don't let their age, especially their age, friends, family, 46 00:02:24,650 --> 00:02:26,910 Speaker 8: or coworkers stop you from planning or living your dream. 47 00:02:27,450 --> 00:02:28,820 Speaker 7: My interviews I bring on Money Made in. 48 00:02:28,740 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 8: Conversations, you might see with celebrities, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and what 49 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:35,740 Speaker 8: I like to call industry decision makers. My next guest 50 00:02:35,860 --> 00:02:38,940 Speaker 8: is Craig Melvin. He's the co-host of the Today Show 51 00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:41,340 Speaker 8: and the author of the book, Pops, Learning to Be 52 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 8: a Son and a Father. 53 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:43,870 Speaker 7: You may know Craig. 54 00:02:43,889 --> 00:02:46,130 Speaker 8: He's an award-winning news anchor, as I said earlier on 55 00:02:46,150 --> 00:02:48,929 Speaker 8: the Today Show. You also have seen him on MSNBC 56 00:02:48,970 --> 00:02:51,510 Speaker 8: Live and a host of Datelines. He's on the show 57 00:02:51,530 --> 00:02:53,740 Speaker 8: to discuss this book, Pops, Learning to Be a Son 58 00:02:53,810 --> 00:02:55,980 Speaker 8: and a Father. It's the story of all the father 59 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 8: figures in Craig's life. And that includes inspiring men from 60 00:02:59,340 --> 00:03:03,220 Speaker 8: his program or his series called Dad's Got This Series 61 00:03:03,580 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 8: on NBC News Today. These experiences and encounters have shaped 62 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:09,860 Speaker 8: Craig's understanding of his own role as a dad. And 63 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 8: I'm sure I can be related. We'll have a nice 64 00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 8: conversation since Father's Day has recently passed. He has two 65 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 8: young children. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation, my man, 66 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:19,660 Speaker 8: Craig Milford. 67 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 7: How you doing, Craig? 68 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,500 Speaker 3: Sean, I'm well. I'm well. 69 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me. I always enjoy 70 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,310 Speaker 9: your conversation, so honored to be a part of one. 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,169 Speaker 7: Thank you, Romain. 72 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:35,510 Speaker 8: Southern boy, South Carolina. There you go. When I see 73 00:03:35,530 --> 00:03:38,850 Speaker 8: people on TV and you're so articulate, there are no y'alls, 74 00:03:38,890 --> 00:03:41,550 Speaker 8: there are no accents. How does a man come straight 75 00:03:41,610 --> 00:03:43,690 Speaker 8: out of Columbia, not no Columbia, because Steve Harvey and 76 00:03:43,710 --> 00:03:45,190 Speaker 8: I used to go down a lot performing at the 77 00:03:45,250 --> 00:03:47,550 Speaker 8: town center. selling that place out all the time. So 78 00:03:47,610 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 8: I'm very familiar with South Carolina, Charleston, that whole low country. 79 00:03:51,780 --> 00:03:55,620 Speaker 8: There's no low country in your tone. What's going on here? 80 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 8: How you break that low country accent? 81 00:03:58,540 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 9: It's funny because I never had it. My mom, you'll 82 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,930 Speaker 9: appreciate this, growing up in Houston, the way that you 83 00:04:06,940 --> 00:04:10,030 Speaker 9: grew up. My mom grew up in the projects and 84 00:04:10,610 --> 00:04:12,810 Speaker 9: first in the family to go to college and first 85 00:04:12,850 --> 00:04:14,370 Speaker 9: in the family to get a graduate degree. 86 00:04:15,010 --> 00:04:17,010 Speaker 3: So when we came along. 87 00:04:17,210 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 9: She wanted to expose us to things and places that 88 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,070 Speaker 9: she had not been exposed to. 89 00:04:25,029 --> 00:04:25,910 Speaker 3: And consequently. 90 00:04:26,930 --> 00:04:30,010 Speaker 9: I think I was probably 14 or 15, and she 91 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:31,470 Speaker 9: had us take. 92 00:04:31,310 --> 00:04:33,390 Speaker 3: Part in these oratorical contests. 93 00:04:33,450 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 9: Right. And that was kind of how it started. 94 00:04:37,660 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: So I. 95 00:04:39,860 --> 00:04:43,420 Speaker 9: Took some public speaking classes and then these oratorical contests. 96 00:04:43,820 --> 00:04:46,100 Speaker 9: And then the next thing you knew, I had what 97 00:04:46,339 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 9: they like to call in the business a nondescript dialect. 98 00:04:50,180 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 99 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:54,849 Speaker 9: You can't really tell based on listening to me where 100 00:04:54,910 --> 00:04:58,450 Speaker 9: I'm from. It's a blessing now. When I was growing up, 101 00:04:58,589 --> 00:05:03,150 Speaker 9: it was always, he's talking white. Absolutely. He talks like 102 00:05:03,190 --> 00:05:06,469 Speaker 9: a white boy. So it's, you know, it. 103 00:05:07,089 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: Was a curse. Now it's a blessing. 104 00:05:08,980 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's interesting because I knew in my 105 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 8: middle school, I remember my teacher used to always ask 106 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,859 Speaker 8: me to read, used to always ask me to read. And, 107 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 8: you know, people talk about bullying and, you know, when 108 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,380 Speaker 8: people talk about They call you Snowflake. That was a 109 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:24,910 Speaker 8: form of bullying. And then so it's popularized now because 110 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:26,669 Speaker 8: people are willing to talk about it. But we all 111 00:05:26,710 --> 00:05:29,190 Speaker 8: grew up in some form of physical or mental abuse 112 00:05:29,710 --> 00:05:31,810 Speaker 8: from high school kids or people in the neighborhood. 113 00:05:32,270 --> 00:05:34,740 Speaker 7: And I remember this girl, she. 114 00:05:34,660 --> 00:05:37,260 Speaker 8: Made such a big deal that I was always asked 115 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 8: to read that it almost, I have to say, traumatized 116 00:05:40,380 --> 00:05:44,210 Speaker 8: me because I went exactly the opposite. I wanted to talk. 117 00:05:44,430 --> 00:05:47,170 Speaker 8: I wanted to say ain't. I wanted to slur my words. 118 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:50,109 Speaker 8: I wanted to fit in. And so with you, I 119 00:05:50,130 --> 00:05:52,470 Speaker 8: bring that story up because you talk about it because 120 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:54,470 Speaker 8: you was hit with it. You was hit, you know, 121 00:05:54,529 --> 00:05:57,180 Speaker 8: talking wide, didn't want to act wide. You were calling 122 00:05:57,190 --> 00:06:00,500 Speaker 8: you a snowflake. What kept you focused? What kept you 123 00:06:00,580 --> 00:06:03,620 Speaker 8: from veering off like I veered off? I veered off 124 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:04,900 Speaker 8: and I said, hey, man, I want to fit in 125 00:06:05,220 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 8: and not be me. 126 00:06:06,980 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 9: You know, I think it was, when I write about 127 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 9: it in the book, my mother, my mother really, Rashawn, 128 00:06:12,339 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 9: I mean, she kept us on the straight and narrow. 129 00:06:15,740 --> 00:06:21,180 Speaker 9: At the time, we resented the strictness. I mean, my mom, 130 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,460 Speaker 9: she knew all of our friends. She knew all of 131 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,540 Speaker 9: the parents. We weren't allowed to stay out past, you know, 132 00:06:28,980 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 9: during the week, maybe nine o'clock, maybe on the weekends 133 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,500 Speaker 9: when kids were going to parties and having fun. I 134 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,870 Speaker 9: was doing oratorical contests and activities. 135 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,910 Speaker 3: And I went to in high school. 136 00:06:41,930 --> 00:06:45,130 Speaker 9: I think I probably went to maybe three high school 137 00:06:45,150 --> 00:06:46,370 Speaker 9: football games on Friday night. 138 00:06:46,450 --> 00:06:48,210 Speaker 3: I just I didn't I grew up on a very 139 00:06:48,250 --> 00:06:49,430 Speaker 3: tight leash. Right. 140 00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:53,310 Speaker 9: And part of it was my mother overcompensating for my 141 00:06:53,370 --> 00:06:55,390 Speaker 9: father not being the kind of dad that he should 142 00:06:55,430 --> 00:06:55,770 Speaker 9: have been. 143 00:06:56,490 --> 00:06:59,469 Speaker 3: But part of it was mom knew she knew back then, 144 00:06:59,529 --> 00:07:01,630 Speaker 3: I think. kind of what it took. She was a 145 00:07:01,670 --> 00:07:02,250 Speaker 3: school teacher. 146 00:07:02,270 --> 00:07:05,390 Speaker 9: Then she went into administration. She knew what it took 147 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,380 Speaker 9: to shape and mold young Black boys, especially. 148 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,540 Speaker 3: Right. And that was it. Had it not been for her, 149 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:16,260 Speaker 3: had I grown up in another house, we wouldn't be 150 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,540 Speaker 3: having this conversation right now. 151 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,430 Speaker 8: Well, you know, in writing your book, you know, the 152 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,210 Speaker 8: book we're talking about, interviewing Craig Melvin, his book, Pops, 153 00:07:22,290 --> 00:07:24,470 Speaker 8: Learning to Be a Son and a Father, is it 154 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:28,660 Speaker 8: because the fact that your father wasn't there, that she 155 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 8: may be overcompensated and wanted to make sure you didn't, 156 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 8: you had a better life or you pursued the options, 157 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,620 Speaker 8: even though I knew she went to college. And I 158 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 8: think at the age of 22 is when she became 159 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 8: pregnant with you. But talk about that in the middle 160 00:07:42,340 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 8: of this, because as we talk about trying to shape 161 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 8: you because of the fact that you've been shaped by 162 00:07:46,820 --> 00:07:49,270 Speaker 8: a lot of people, especially the stories. We're going to 163 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:51,530 Speaker 8: talk about the prison incident when you was out at 164 00:07:51,550 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 8: Camp Grace, how that really kind of like, started you 165 00:07:54,620 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 8: in this direction of humanizing all men, especially men who 166 00:07:58,180 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 8: are incarcerated. 167 00:07:59,260 --> 00:08:01,060 Speaker 7: Talk about your mom and her. 168 00:08:00,940 --> 00:08:03,810 Speaker 8: Role versus your dad role, because you mentioned it just 169 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:06,290 Speaker 8: a little bit, but that centers around us getting into 170 00:08:06,310 --> 00:08:08,730 Speaker 8: the story and your father changing his life at the 171 00:08:08,770 --> 00:08:09,210 Speaker 8: age of 67. 172 00:08:09,210 --> 00:08:13,890 Speaker 9: Yeah, mom had to play the role of mom and 173 00:08:13,930 --> 00:08:17,250 Speaker 9: dad for the. 174 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: Better part of my childhood. 175 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:21,660 Speaker 9: It was a role that she was Yeah, she was 176 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,340 Speaker 9: fortunately well prepared for it because she had to take 177 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 9: care of her three younger siblings when she was in college. 178 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,020 Speaker 3: And her father. 179 00:08:30,810 --> 00:08:33,740 Speaker 9: Skipped out of the family, ended up essentially dying on 180 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:39,179 Speaker 9: the streets in squalor. But no, a mom, because my 181 00:08:39,300 --> 00:08:45,170 Speaker 9: father was not physically present as often as I would 182 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:47,109 Speaker 9: have liked, and my younger brother would have liked, and 183 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:49,949 Speaker 9: my older brother as well, mom stepped in to fill 184 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:50,929 Speaker 9: the gap. 185 00:08:51,130 --> 00:08:51,929 Speaker 3: She filled the void. 186 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 9: And not just being present in the sense of, Sean, 187 00:08:56,740 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 9: Little League games or soccer games or concerts, not just 188 00:09:01,220 --> 00:09:06,540 Speaker 9: physically present, but emotionally present, spiritually present. I mean, the 189 00:09:06,580 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 9: relationship that I have with God is because of my mother's. 190 00:09:11,020 --> 00:09:13,300 Speaker 3: Relationship with God. 191 00:09:13,350 --> 00:09:19,110 Speaker 9: So it was divine intervention. Had I had any other mother, 192 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:24,210 Speaker 9: things would not have gone the way that they did. But, 193 00:09:24,250 --> 00:09:26,849 Speaker 9: you know, it's also, and I write about it in 194 00:09:26,870 --> 00:09:28,910 Speaker 9: the book, as you know, and I do appreciate the 195 00:09:28,929 --> 00:09:30,610 Speaker 9: fact that you read the book. You'd be surprised how 196 00:09:30,670 --> 00:09:32,850 Speaker 9: often we talk to people about books and they haven't 197 00:09:32,910 --> 00:09:36,750 Speaker 9: read word one. But I can tell you read the 198 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:39,250 Speaker 9: whole thing. And I write about it in the book. 199 00:09:39,770 --> 00:09:42,130 Speaker 9: My father, I asked him during the course of my 200 00:09:42,550 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 9: interviews with him for the book, I said, Pops, what 201 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,500 Speaker 9: was the most money you ever wasted? 202 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,090 Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. without missing a beat. 203 00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:51,110 Speaker 9: He said it was about $ 1, 500 back in 1986. 204 00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:54,140 Speaker 3: I said, well, that was a lot of money back then. 205 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: What'd you spend that money on? 206 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,850 Speaker 9: He said, that's how much it cost to put my 207 00:09:57,910 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 9: daddy in the ground. And in that moment, I realized 208 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:06,500 Speaker 9: that while I had been frustrated by the lack of 209 00:10:06,540 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 9: relationship I had with my dad, it was exponentially better 210 00:10:09,860 --> 00:10:12,020 Speaker 9: than the relationship he had with his own father. 211 00:10:12,140 --> 00:10:14,819 Speaker 3: He didn't even know who his dad was until he 212 00:10:14,860 --> 00:10:17,300 Speaker 3: was almost a teenager. So it was. 213 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,260 Speaker 9: It was wholly unrealistic of me to expect him to 214 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,140 Speaker 9: be the kind of dad that I had come to idolize. 215 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: He couldn't be it because he. 216 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,870 Speaker 9: Hadn't seen it. And you can't be something. 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So this season, give with all your heart 234 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 10: with great gifts from Kohl's or Kohl's.com. 235 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 11: What grows in the forest? 236 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: Trees? 237 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 9: Sure. 238 00:11:39,980 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 11: Know what else grows in the forest? Our imagination. Our 239 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,660 Speaker 11: sense of wonder. And our family bonds grow, too, because 240 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,980 Speaker 11: when we disconnect from this and connect with this, we 241 00:11:53,059 --> 00:11:56,740 Speaker 11: reconnect with each other. 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The forest is closer than you think. 250 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:31,790 Speaker 11: Find a forest near you and start exploring at discovertheforest.org 251 00:12:32,110 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 11: brought to you by the United States Forest Service and 252 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:35,500 Speaker 11: the Ad Council. 253 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:38,460 Speaker 8: Well, you know, when I, when I read the book, 254 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:41,380 Speaker 8: you know, um, you know, I heard Shotgun House. 255 00:12:41,929 --> 00:12:42,170 Speaker 3: Okay. 256 00:12:42,210 --> 00:12:42,949 Speaker 7: I grew up in it. 257 00:12:42,970 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 8: I was born in the Shotgun House, two bedroom Shotgun House. 258 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:46,939 Speaker 8: A lot of people, if you listen to Shotgun House, 259 00:12:47,260 --> 00:12:50,910 Speaker 8: Open the front door, shoot a shotgun, go out the front. 260 00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:52,309 Speaker 7: Back door, don't hit anything. 261 00:12:52,390 --> 00:12:56,250 Speaker 8: That's a shotgun house, okay? You referenced pig feet. Grew 262 00:12:56,270 --> 00:12:59,260 Speaker 8: up with pig feet, my man. Hey, I wouldn't touch them. 263 00:12:59,179 --> 00:12:59,820 Speaker 3: Now, Greg. 264 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 7: I wouldn't touch them now. 265 00:13:02,580 --> 00:13:05,420 Speaker 8: But pig feet were part of my lifestyle. And so 266 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 8: that's the Southern. I'm from Houston, Texas. I'm from the South. 267 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,890 Speaker 8: It was a lifestyle that was normal to me, but 268 00:13:10,929 --> 00:13:14,110 Speaker 8: it was also a community lifestyle that of people taking 269 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:14,890 Speaker 8: care of each other. 270 00:13:15,230 --> 00:13:16,470 Speaker 7: And that was really important. 271 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:19,470 Speaker 8: Not only your dad, even though there were some missteps, 272 00:13:19,710 --> 00:13:22,050 Speaker 8: there were still people there to take care of him, 273 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:24,910 Speaker 8: you know, to make sure he was focused, to shout 274 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,290 Speaker 8: at him as he became an adult. 275 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 7: There were people in the community. 276 00:13:28,580 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 8: That's really important in this book that no matter what, 277 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:35,580 Speaker 8: there's some form of family tied to your story and 278 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 8: the people in your life. 279 00:13:37,260 --> 00:13:37,900 Speaker 7: Talk about that. 280 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,910 Speaker 9: You know, it's a, it's, it's funny because long before, uh, 281 00:13:42,550 --> 00:13:46,650 Speaker 9: people started talking about it, taking a village, uh, to 282 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:47,309 Speaker 9: rear a child. 283 00:13:47,670 --> 00:13:48,410 Speaker 3: I had a village. 284 00:13:49,130 --> 00:13:52,370 Speaker 9: It wasn't called that back in the 80s in South Carolina. 285 00:13:52,390 --> 00:13:53,890 Speaker 3: Back in the 80s and 90s when I grew up, 286 00:13:53,929 --> 00:13:58,699 Speaker 3: but I had a village. And yes, there were a 287 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,500 Speaker 3: number of men who played the role of dad along 288 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: the way. My Uncle James, my Uncle Jake, my Uncle Frank. 289 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:09,630 Speaker 9: But there were also a lot of women that played 290 00:14:09,650 --> 00:14:10,430 Speaker 9: the part as well. 291 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:14,449 Speaker 3: I was disciplined, and I think that's the politically correct term. 292 00:14:16,890 --> 00:14:20,390 Speaker 9: I was disciplined by more women growing up than men, 293 00:14:20,430 --> 00:14:23,130 Speaker 9: whether it was my mom or one of my aunts 294 00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:25,500 Speaker 9: or my grandma. I spent a lot of time with 295 00:14:25,550 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 9: my two grandmothers growing up. And they really shaped me 296 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,140 Speaker 9: in myriad ways that I didn't fully appreciate until I 297 00:14:33,180 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 9: was older. 298 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:37,700 Speaker 3: Right. And then after that, I had coaches along the way. 299 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: I always. 300 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:45,370 Speaker 12: God always blessed me with people along the road that 301 00:14:45,450 --> 00:14:48,830 Speaker 12: gave me a little part of something that I was 302 00:14:48,910 --> 00:14:50,890 Speaker 12: able to take and build on. 303 00:14:51,450 --> 00:14:56,070 Speaker 9: It's difficult for young black men, especially, it's difficult to 304 00:14:56,190 --> 00:15:02,710 Speaker 9: learn how to carry yourself in this world. without examples 305 00:15:03,050 --> 00:15:07,700 Speaker 9: of it. And I had lots of examples, thankfully, along 306 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,380 Speaker 9: the way. But the reality is, as you know, Sean, 307 00:15:10,180 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 9: A lot of kids. 308 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,020 Speaker 3: Don't have that. A lot of kids don't. They just, 309 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: you know, through no fault of their own, mind. 310 00:15:15,380 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 9: You, they don't have a mother or a father or 311 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 9: an uncle or an aunt to take their hand on 312 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 9: this journey of life. And so they end up finding 313 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:31,570 Speaker 9: role models that should not be held up or that 314 00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:33,030 Speaker 9: should not be on a pedestal. 315 00:15:33,270 --> 00:15:35,110 Speaker 3: And they begin to emulate them. 316 00:15:35,890 --> 00:15:38,390 Speaker 8: You know, the thing I really like about your book 317 00:15:38,530 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 8: is that Sometimes, because my father was a truck driver, 318 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:48,610 Speaker 8: so when he wasn't driving trucks, he wasn't really connected 319 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:51,690 Speaker 8: to me. I can tell you he was my father. 320 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:53,690 Speaker 8: I can tell you that. My mom was there for me. 321 00:15:53,730 --> 00:15:56,430 Speaker 8: My mom pushed me. My mom always felt I could 322 00:15:56,450 --> 00:15:59,730 Speaker 8: be somebody special in life. When your father showed up 323 00:15:59,790 --> 00:16:02,530 Speaker 8: for your ball game, that memory, you don't know if 324 00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:05,350 Speaker 8: you got hit or home run or got struck out 325 00:16:05,390 --> 00:16:06,850 Speaker 8: every time you went up the bat, but you remember 326 00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:09,550 Speaker 8: that moment. And then when your mom rescued you when 327 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:15,810 Speaker 8: you thought you had entered early fatherhood, you know, those 328 00:16:15,870 --> 00:16:19,770 Speaker 8: are two moments that really, I bring up those two moments, Craig, 329 00:16:19,790 --> 00:16:22,609 Speaker 8: because despite of all the things we do in our life, 330 00:16:22,630 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 8: there are always memories that really, some haunt people, some 331 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 8: inspire people. Your father showing up for your game and 332 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 8: your mom basically coming to the rescue because she did 333 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:37,590 Speaker 8: something that enabled you to relax, right? Talk about those 334 00:16:37,630 --> 00:16:41,150 Speaker 8: two key moments of parenting. Even though your father wasn't there, 335 00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:44,010 Speaker 8: that was a key parenting moment that he provided for 336 00:16:44,050 --> 00:16:46,660 Speaker 8: you that stays with you today. It probably carries into 337 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,180 Speaker 8: your parenting with your children today. And then your mom 338 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 8: being there for you at a moment of doubt, frustration, fear. 339 00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 7: But both of them were there at different times. 340 00:16:56,850 --> 00:16:59,070 Speaker 9: I mean, you're talking about the part of my book 341 00:16:59,110 --> 00:17:03,630 Speaker 9: where I almost became a teenage father. 342 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:06,389 Speaker 3: I was almost a statistic at the age of 14. 343 00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:12,649 Speaker 3: No less. I made a bad choice. I made a 344 00:17:12,670 --> 00:17:13,950 Speaker 3: bad choice. And you know what? 345 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:16,930 Speaker 9: I write about it because I wrote about it because 346 00:17:16,950 --> 00:17:20,060 Speaker 9: I wanted people to understand there. But. 347 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:22,609 Speaker 3: For the grace of God, go I. 348 00:17:23,170 --> 00:17:25,980 Speaker 9: And I think a lot of folks can relate to 349 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 9: this idea that, you know, there's that night or sometimes 350 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,390 Speaker 9: that day, but usually it's that night. 351 00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:35,850 Speaker 3: Where you went left, but you could have gone right. Right. 352 00:17:36,930 --> 00:17:40,669 Speaker 9: And had you made a different decision, it would have 353 00:17:40,869 --> 00:17:43,830 Speaker 9: altered the course of your life in a dramatic way. 354 00:17:45,030 --> 00:17:47,709 Speaker 3: That almost happened to me. I got lucky. 355 00:17:47,790 --> 00:17:51,590 Speaker 9: And at that point in my life, I didn't have 356 00:17:51,630 --> 00:17:55,940 Speaker 9: much of a relationship with my father. I was afraid 357 00:17:55,980 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 9: of my mother, definitely afraid. 358 00:17:58,220 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 3: So I couldn't talk to her about it. 359 00:18:01,630 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 9: And it was a situation where, you know, this young 360 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,139 Speaker 9: lady was convinced she was pregnant. And I like I 361 00:18:07,180 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 9: had to I had to do something. This was not 362 00:18:09,820 --> 00:18:12,710 Speaker 9: one of those situations where inaction was an option. 363 00:18:12,869 --> 00:18:15,590 Speaker 3: Right. And and I write in the book about how 364 00:18:15,630 --> 00:18:16,750 Speaker 3: I went to my my aunt. 365 00:18:17,170 --> 00:18:19,390 Speaker 9: And it was my aunt that finally convinced me that 366 00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:21,330 Speaker 9: I had no choice but to talk to my mother. 367 00:18:21,550 --> 00:18:23,940 Speaker 3: Right. But my mom has always been. 368 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 9: Long before we started calling people fixers, my mom was 369 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 9: a fixer. That obviously was an extreme example, but there 370 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 9: were so many other times in my life where I 371 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 9: thought I. 372 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: Was out of options. 373 00:18:37,540 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 9: I didn't know what I was going to do. And 374 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,070 Speaker 9: I prayed to God and put trust in Betty Jo Melvin. 375 00:18:42,330 --> 00:18:45,510 Speaker 9: And Betty Jo Melvin always came through and still does now, 376 00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:49,669 Speaker 9: mind you, in a different way. My dad wrote about 377 00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:52,470 Speaker 9: that part in the book where he showed up at 378 00:18:52,510 --> 00:18:55,470 Speaker 9: my little league game And the memory stayed with me 379 00:18:56,250 --> 00:18:58,970 Speaker 9: because it was so rare to that point. My dad, 380 00:18:59,859 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 9: and again, now looking back on it, knowing what we 381 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,580 Speaker 9: know about addiction, about it being a disease and not 382 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 9: a weakness, I understand why he wasn't there. I understand 383 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:14,369 Speaker 9: why he had walled himself off from our family and 384 00:19:14,430 --> 00:19:15,389 Speaker 9: society at large. 385 00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:17,530 Speaker 3: But back then- I was a kid. 386 00:19:17,550 --> 00:19:20,230 Speaker 9: You know, I was a kid who wanted my dad 387 00:19:20,290 --> 00:19:23,429 Speaker 9: to be proud of me and see me and certainly 388 00:19:23,859 --> 00:19:26,140 Speaker 9: watch my Little League games. And so when he showed 389 00:19:26,220 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 9: up that evening and I saw him down the third 390 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,140 Speaker 9: baseline there on the fence, it's a memory that stayed 391 00:19:32,180 --> 00:19:34,620 Speaker 9: with me because it was so rare. That being said, 392 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 9: now he's everywhere. Like, you know, he was up two 393 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,190 Speaker 9: weeks ago. My son had a soccer game. My dad 394 00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:44,650 Speaker 9: was right there with me on the sideline. And 30 395 00:19:44,650 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 9: seconds in, my my boy hadn't scored a goal all season, 396 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,340 Speaker 9: 30 seconds in. 397 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,050 Speaker 3: Dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot, score. 398 00:19:53,030 --> 00:19:56,050 Speaker 9: First goal of the game. And me and my pops 399 00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:58,270 Speaker 9: are high-fiving. Like he had just won a green jacket 400 00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:58,870 Speaker 9: at Augusta. 401 00:19:59,030 --> 00:19:59,260 Speaker 3: Yes. 402 00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 13: And we're live here outside the Perez family home just 403 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:04,340 Speaker 13: waiting for the. 404 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:05,580 Speaker 7: And there they go. 405 00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:07,220 Speaker 3: Almost on time this morning. 406 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 13: Mom is coming out the front door strong with a 407 00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:13,020 Speaker 13: double-arm kid carry. Looks like dad has the bags. Daughter 408 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 13: is bringing up the rear. Oh, but the diaper bag 409 00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:21,869 Speaker 13: wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere. Ooh, but Mom 410 00:20:21,890 --> 00:20:25,210 Speaker 13: has just nailed the perfect car seat buckle for the toddler. 411 00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:28,010 Speaker 13: And now the eldest daughter, who looks to be about 412 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:30,910 Speaker 13: 9 or 10, has secured herself in the booster seat. 413 00:20:31,030 --> 00:20:34,909 Speaker 13: Dad zips the bag closed, and they're off. Ah, but 414 00:20:34,930 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 13: looks like Mom doesn't realize her coffee cup is still. 415 00:20:37,380 --> 00:20:41,379 Speaker 4: On the roof of the car. And there it goes. Oh, 416 00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 4: that's a shame. 417 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,750 Speaker 14: That mug was a fam favorite. Don't sweat the small stuff. 418 00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:48,050 Speaker 14: Just nail the big stuff. Like making sure your kids 419 00:20:48,109 --> 00:20:49,770 Speaker 14: are buckled correctly in the right seat for their age 420 00:20:49,790 --> 00:20:52,950 Speaker 14: and size. Learn more at NHTSA.gov slash the right seat. 421 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:58,300 Speaker 3: Visit NHTSA.gov slash the right seat. Brought to you by 422 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,419 Speaker 3: NHTSA and the Ad Council. 423 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:03,020 Speaker 11: Look through your children's eyes to see the true magic 424 00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 11: of a forest. It's a storybook world for them. You 425 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,700 Speaker 11: look and see a tree. They see the wrinkled face 426 00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:13,149 Speaker 11: of a wizard with arms outstretched to the sky. They 427 00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 11: see treasure in pebbles. They see a windy path that 428 00:21:16,410 --> 00:21:20,260 Speaker 11: could lead to adventure. And they see you, their fearless 429 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 11: guide through this fascinating world. 430 00:21:22,820 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 15: Find a forest near you and start exploring at discovertheforest.org. 431 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 15: Brought to you by the United States Forest Service and 432 00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 15: the Ad Council. 433 00:21:30,340 --> 00:21:33,260 Speaker 11: Look through your children's eyes to see the true magic 434 00:21:33,420 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 11: of a forest. It's a storybook world for them. You 435 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,940 Speaker 11: look and see a tree. They see the wrinkled face 436 00:21:39,980 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 11: of a wizard with arms outstretched to the sky. They 437 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:46,570 Speaker 11: see treasure in pebbles. They see a windy path that 438 00:21:46,650 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 11: could lead to adventure. And they see you. Their fearless 439 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 11: guide through this fascinating world. 440 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 15: Find a forest near you and start exploring at discovertheforest.org. 441 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 15: Brought to you by the United States Forest Service and 442 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,020 Speaker 15: the Ad Council. 443 00:22:00,740 --> 00:22:04,580 Speaker 7: You know, the book is an emotional book. 444 00:22:05,420 --> 00:22:08,270 Speaker 8: I say emotional because I told people, when I get 445 00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:09,790 Speaker 8: a book like this, I have to slow read it. 446 00:22:10,030 --> 00:22:13,070 Speaker 8: Because sometimes it'll hit points where I go, oh, I'm 447 00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:14,070 Speaker 8: about to go there. 448 00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:14,310 Speaker 3: I'm not. 449 00:22:14,790 --> 00:22:15,810 Speaker 7: Let me finish this moment. 450 00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:19,890 Speaker 8: And, um, cause I remember a moment with my dad, um, 451 00:22:19,890 --> 00:22:23,430 Speaker 8: 1992 when I owned a comedy club and my dad 452 00:22:23,470 --> 00:22:26,869 Speaker 8: had never, ever been to anything I've been. And he 453 00:22:26,890 --> 00:22:29,710 Speaker 8: just showed up at the comedy club and, uh, it 454 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,909 Speaker 8: was sold out. And I looked in the library. What 455 00:22:31,930 --> 00:22:33,430 Speaker 8: you doing here, dad? He go, I come to see 456 00:22:33,450 --> 00:22:36,380 Speaker 8: my son. And he looked around and he looked. 457 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 7: Wow, this you, this you, this you. And I went, uh, yes, sir. 458 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:41,860 Speaker 3: Yes, sir. 459 00:22:42,020 --> 00:22:44,260 Speaker 8: You know, cause I always said, sir, to my dad. And, uh, 460 00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:50,530 Speaker 8: And he said, I'm proud of you, son. And like 461 00:22:50,590 --> 00:22:52,830 Speaker 8: I said, because that's what the book did to me 462 00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:56,850 Speaker 8: as a dad. Because when you start talking about incarceration, 463 00:22:58,230 --> 00:23:00,629 Speaker 8: and you talk about, remember you said earlier, right turn, 464 00:23:00,730 --> 00:23:03,830 Speaker 8: left turn, those turns. I always say that when I 465 00:23:03,850 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 8: was in college, you know, you played as a fraternity, 466 00:23:06,130 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 8: I played as a mega sci-fi. 467 00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 7: And you always do stupid things. I remember the big 468 00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 7: brother said, we want some plants. Well, we didn't have 469 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,630 Speaker 7: no money. And so I remember this. 470 00:23:15,369 --> 00:23:18,140 Speaker 8: Giant open field where they had plants back in the day. 471 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 8: And me and my line brothers, we went and stole 472 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,810 Speaker 8: these plants, man. I mean, if you look back on it, Craig, 473 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 8: from the freeway, you would have seen us running across 474 00:23:27,290 --> 00:23:30,650 Speaker 8: this field with these plants, okay? So anybody could have went, 475 00:23:30,869 --> 00:23:33,670 Speaker 8: what are those black dudes, boys, doing running with all 476 00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:38,030 Speaker 8: these giant plants? And I had a little Fiat X19, 477 00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:40,540 Speaker 8: which is a two-seater, and the truck was in the front. 478 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,340 Speaker 8: So I had to put the plants in the front, 479 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,260 Speaker 8: and it was blocking my windshield. So all along the way, 480 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,179 Speaker 8: I could have stopped and stopped by the police and 481 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 8: been incarcerated. And my life could have changed on that 482 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,379 Speaker 8: right turn, left turn that you were talking about earlier. 483 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 7: You are meeting men who've done. 484 00:23:57,100 --> 00:24:00,090 Speaker 8: Something far worse than what I've talked about, but they 485 00:24:00,109 --> 00:24:03,169 Speaker 8: have made a mistake. And sometimes because they've made a mistake, 486 00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:05,150 Speaker 8: we don't give them a second chance because we feel 487 00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:07,430 Speaker 8: that they are unworthy of that second chance. 488 00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:09,910 Speaker 7: And then in your book, you talk about, guess what? 489 00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:12,990 Speaker 7: They are fathers, too. Let's talk about. 490 00:24:12,859 --> 00:24:17,020 Speaker 8: That journey of you doing a story. I think basically 491 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 8: changed your life. And it started with Camp Grace. 492 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, it was one of the most impactful stories I've 493 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 9: ever done. There's a, and I don't even remember how 494 00:24:25,420 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 9: we found out about this camp, but I was probably 495 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 9: reading some article in an obscure publication about this summer 496 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:40,030 Speaker 9: camp at a maximum security prison in California, Salinas State 497 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,370 Speaker 9: Valley Prison is the name of the facility. 498 00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:47,190 Speaker 3: And for one week every summer. 499 00:24:47,410 --> 00:24:51,820 Speaker 9: They bring in about a dozen or so kids to 500 00:24:51,859 --> 00:24:55,500 Speaker 9: basically have a camp experience with their dads. I mean, 501 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,740 Speaker 9: you know, arts and crafts and they play games and 502 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 9: they sing songs and they do all the stuff that 503 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 9: you would do at a camp. I mean, these kids 504 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,030 Speaker 9: are between the ages of, you know, seven or eight 505 00:25:06,290 --> 00:25:06,929 Speaker 9: and 15 or 16. 506 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:07,110 Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. 507 00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:12,620 Speaker 9: And the guys who are part of the program have 508 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,419 Speaker 9: to exhibit good behavior for a full year. The camp 509 00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:22,130 Speaker 9: is a privilege. And I went out and spent some 510 00:25:22,170 --> 00:25:24,410 Speaker 9: time talking to these guys. 511 00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:25,609 Speaker 3: And it ended up being great. 512 00:25:25,940 --> 00:25:29,620 Speaker 9: Just an emotional day because these are men, first of all, most. 513 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,310 Speaker 3: Of them are not going to be getting out of prison. 514 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:36,010 Speaker 9: I mean, some of them have been convicted of doing 515 00:25:36,030 --> 00:25:41,169 Speaker 9: some pretty heinous things. But the two women that started 516 00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:47,070 Speaker 9: the camp, both of their husbands were incarcerated and consequently weren't. 517 00:25:46,810 --> 00:25:49,709 Speaker 3: Really a part of the child's lives. 518 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 9: They would get the occasional visit, you know, on a 519 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 9: weekend and you've got the glass. But they weren't able 520 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,379 Speaker 9: to really be a part of the child's life. So 521 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,070 Speaker 9: they came up with this idea for a camp. And 522 00:26:00,109 --> 00:26:01,830 Speaker 9: I talked to one of the guys out there and 523 00:26:01,850 --> 00:26:03,250 Speaker 9: I asked him the question. I knew a lot of 524 00:26:03,290 --> 00:26:04,970 Speaker 9: people were going to be asking when they watched or 525 00:26:05,270 --> 00:26:11,899 Speaker 9: read the story. How can someone accused of some of 526 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,990 Speaker 9: the things these guys were accused of? in what universe 527 00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:21,970 Speaker 9: do they deserve the right to spend time with a child? 528 00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:25,650 Speaker 9: And without missing a beat, he said to me, tears 529 00:26:25,690 --> 00:26:30,210 Speaker 9: in his eyes, they might be right. I may not 530 00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:32,850 Speaker 9: deserve it, but you know what, Craig? My kids do. 531 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:36,350 Speaker 9: My kids deserve to know their father. They didn't do 532 00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:41,470 Speaker 9: anything wrong. They didn't make any bad choices. And his 533 00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:43,629 Speaker 9: larger point, and I think this was just as valid, 534 00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 9: if we're serious about stopping the prison pipeline that we 535 00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:50,780 Speaker 9: always talk about, then we need. 536 00:26:50,619 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: To make sure that kids... of incarcerated individuals, have relationships 537 00:26:54,820 --> 00:26:55,100 Speaker 3: with them. 538 00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:57,580 Speaker 9: He spent a fair amount of his time talking to 539 00:26:57,619 --> 00:27:02,540 Speaker 9: his daughter about choices, making good choices, not ending up 540 00:27:02,619 --> 00:27:04,420 Speaker 9: where he ended up. 541 00:27:04,619 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: It's a fantastic program and it moved me. 542 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:10,350 Speaker 9: It also moved me, Rashad, because my grandmother, and it's 543 00:27:10,369 --> 00:27:11,970 Speaker 9: the first line in the book, not to give away 544 00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:15,570 Speaker 9: too much, but my grandmother, now when I knew. 545 00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:20,530 Speaker 7: Her, She was going to church, at church, or coming 546 00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:21,850 Speaker 7: home from church. 547 00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:26,959 Speaker 3: She only loved the Lord. Apparently, long before I came along. 548 00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 7: Okay, well, Craig, let's just say she's a bootlegger. I 549 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,940 Speaker 7: don't want to give away no more than that. Just 550 00:27:30,980 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 7: say she's a bootlegger. I don't want to give away 551 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:33,310 Speaker 7: the earlier part, okay? 552 00:27:33,550 --> 00:27:36,030 Speaker 3: She's a bootlegger. She was a bootlegger. She was a 553 00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:40,550 Speaker 3: bootlegger and got a second chance. Yes, she did. 554 00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:45,129 Speaker 9: And had she not gotten a second chance, who's to 555 00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:47,370 Speaker 9: say whether I would be here right now, you know? 556 00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:50,450 Speaker 8: But here's the thing I want to point out about that. Now, 557 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 8: his grandmother was in the same jail that Martha Stewart 558 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 8: was in. So she got how many chances that she's got, okay? 559 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 7: But in the same facility now. 560 00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 8: And so when I read the book, and like I said, 561 00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:08,179 Speaker 8: it's an emotional journey because it's your story. But it's 562 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,820 Speaker 8: a relatable story because I remember when my younger brother 563 00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 8: was incarcerated in California, and glass talking. And I was 564 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,780 Speaker 8: in tears. And he told me he couldn't cry. He said, 565 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,460 Speaker 8: I can't cry. He said, I can't. And my nickname 566 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 8: is Ricky. He said, Ricky, I can't cry. Because they 567 00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:29,409 Speaker 8: see me crying out here, I pay a price when 568 00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:32,830 Speaker 8: I go back inside. And in that book, you know, 569 00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:35,130 Speaker 8: the gentleman you interviewed, he said, look, he said, thank 570 00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:39,010 Speaker 8: God I have a cell by myself. Because now I 571 00:28:39,070 --> 00:28:42,390 Speaker 8: can cry. And so I love the fact that you 572 00:28:42,410 --> 00:28:47,180 Speaker 8: were humanizing people because we see the violent side and 573 00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 8: nobody's trying to downplay that. But we have made mistakes. 574 00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 8: There are people on the other side of this that 575 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,980 Speaker 8: have to deal with it emotionally. 576 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 7: These are kids. 577 00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:58,470 Speaker 8: And like one of them said, look, it's all right 578 00:28:58,590 --> 00:29:01,530 Speaker 8: early on when you're playing cards and you're playing catch. 579 00:29:01,890 --> 00:29:05,709 Speaker 8: But when it becomes teens, the conversation becomes different. And 580 00:29:05,770 --> 00:29:08,550 Speaker 8: that's what fatherhood is all about, which leads to your 581 00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:11,330 Speaker 8: whole life of being a father. being connected to your 582 00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:13,230 Speaker 8: dad and now being a present day father. 583 00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:14,390 Speaker 7: Let's talk about that, Greg. 584 00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:21,620 Speaker 9: You know, I think that you can be shaped by 585 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 9: negative examples just as much as you can be shaped 586 00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:27,900 Speaker 9: by positive examples. In fact, I think in some instances, 587 00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:31,540 Speaker 9: maybe even more so. So, you know, growing up, I 588 00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:36,050 Speaker 9: didn't know the kind of man that I wanted to be. 589 00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:37,770 Speaker 9: I didn't certainly know the kind of father that I 590 00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:39,630 Speaker 9: wanted to be. But up until a few years ago, 591 00:29:39,650 --> 00:29:43,020 Speaker 9: I knew I didn't want to be anything like my dad. 592 00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: Yes. 593 00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 9: And that was what motivated me personally and professionally, probably 594 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 9: to a certain extent, now that I'm talking about it. 595 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,510 Speaker 9: It's funny because I have to remind my kids sometimes 596 00:29:57,530 --> 00:30:02,530 Speaker 9: that I have a job. And consequently, I cannot be 597 00:30:02,550 --> 00:30:06,910 Speaker 9: at their beck and call day and night. Because, you know, 598 00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:09,690 Speaker 9: when my dad was there, when we were younger, it 599 00:30:09,890 --> 00:30:12,870 Speaker 9: was big. Like it was a wedding or funeral or 600 00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:16,530 Speaker 9: graduation or that little league game that I write about 601 00:30:16,550 --> 00:30:18,970 Speaker 9: that I remember because it was so weird. Dad didn't 602 00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:21,570 Speaker 9: show up for stuff, in part because he worked third 603 00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:25,250 Speaker 9: shift at the post office, but in larger part because 604 00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:29,530 Speaker 9: of the addiction issues that he had. So as a result, 605 00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:32,060 Speaker 9: I've gone to the other end of the spectrum. So, 606 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,980 Speaker 9: you know, I'm there for soccer games and my daughter 607 00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 9: had a gymnastics recital last Sunday morning. And, you know, 608 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:43,180 Speaker 9: I'm physically present as often and as much as I can. 609 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,250 Speaker 9: You know, I do school pickup and I try to 610 00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:49,510 Speaker 9: do it all because, you know, my dad didn't do 611 00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:53,310 Speaker 9: any of it. Now, the problem that you create when 612 00:30:53,330 --> 00:30:55,090 Speaker 9: you do that, and it took me. 613 00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: A while to figure this out. I've created expectations. Yes. 614 00:30:58,460 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: So if I'm not there to go, Daddy's got to 615 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,420 Speaker 3: travel for work. 616 00:31:03,740 --> 00:31:06,700 Speaker 9: Well, Daddy, why can't you? Can you take a later flight? 617 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:08,810 Speaker 9: Can you go tomorrow? And I've had to say a 618 00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:13,490 Speaker 9: few times. You know, it's the job that pays for 619 00:31:13,810 --> 00:31:17,850 Speaker 9: all of this. You don't get to go to dance 620 00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:20,860 Speaker 9: or you don't get to go to soccer if daddy's 621 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,780 Speaker 9: not hopping on planes. 622 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 623 00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:28,460 Speaker 9: So that's the unfortunate part. But they're starting to understand. 624 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 9: But it's funny as you become a parent, how you 625 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 9: at some point become... you become the kind of, for me, 626 00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:37,860 Speaker 9: at least the kind of father that I used to mock. Yes. 627 00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:40,580 Speaker 3: He and my dad would talk about, you know, how 628 00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:45,250 Speaker 3: much something costs. You don't have money for this. And 629 00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 3: when we were younger, We didn't. He wasn't lying. 630 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,180 Speaker 9: We knew we didn't have a lot of money. We 631 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 9: knew we had enough. With my kids, I've said a 632 00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,050 Speaker 9: few times, we can't afford this. And my son without 633 00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:58,110 Speaker 9: missing a beat will say, yes, we can. 634 00:31:58,550 --> 00:32:03,410 Speaker 3: Yes, we can. And I'm like, and then you find 635 00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:06,810 Speaker 3: yourself trying to come up with a new excuse. Like, well, 636 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 3: maybe we can't afford it, but we don't need it. 637 00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 3: You don't need that. Right, right, right. 638 00:32:12,220 --> 00:32:14,900 Speaker 7: You know, so it's... It's hard. 639 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,230 Speaker 3: It's hard. I know we're about to wrap up. 640 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 8: I want to bring up a very fun moment as 641 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 8: a parent that I want to share with you because 642 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,430 Speaker 8: you wrote about it when your son climbed in the bed. Kids, 643 00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:30,150 Speaker 8: when they sleep, if you don't have kids, children, if 644 00:32:30,170 --> 00:32:33,370 Speaker 8: you've got a very young child, when they climb in the. 645 00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:34,610 Speaker 7: Bed, they forget you in bed. 646 00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:36,850 Speaker 3: Kids are the. 647 00:32:36,790 --> 00:32:38,930 Speaker 7: Worst sleepers in the world, especially when they get that 648 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:41,270 Speaker 7: six to ten years of age. They're the worst sleepers. 649 00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:43,940 Speaker 7: And so when you say that in the book, you 650 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,820 Speaker 7: say you may miss that. I remember when I talked 651 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,380 Speaker 7: to my daughter when she was like 17. 652 00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 8: I said, hey, won't you hop in bed and watch 653 00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:55,420 Speaker 8: a TV show? What you talking about? I said, you know, 654 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 8: can we not watch a TV? Can we not watch 655 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 8: TV together? Remember we used to go, I don't do 656 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:00,900 Speaker 8: that no more, Dad. 657 00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:01,350 Speaker 3: Uh-uh. 658 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,490 Speaker 8: No, no, we're not doing that. So I will tell 659 00:33:04,510 --> 00:33:06,570 Speaker 8: you this, Craig. That moment brought. 660 00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:07,110 Speaker 7: Laughter to me. 661 00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:08,450 Speaker 3: It brought back memories. 662 00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:12,020 Speaker 8: As your book, the amazingly good book, Pops, Learning to 663 00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 8: Be a Son and a Father, man, it's a great read. 664 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,420 Speaker 8: Like I said, it slowed me. When I say the 665 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,620 Speaker 8: word slowed me, because I was becoming emotional. Because like 666 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,340 Speaker 8: I said, my father was a beer drinker. My father 667 00:33:23,420 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 8: worked hard as a truck driver. My father, like I said, 668 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,900 Speaker 8: was he in my life? 669 00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:29,900 Speaker 7: I don't know. But did he shape me to be 670 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,850 Speaker 7: the man I am today? 671 00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:31,590 Speaker 1: Yes, he did. 672 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:34,130 Speaker 7: Because he had a role in it. And that role 673 00:33:34,170 --> 00:33:35,490 Speaker 7: has made me to be the man I am. 674 00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:37,850 Speaker 8: I like to believe I'm a good parent to my daughter. 675 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 8: a good husband to my wife. And those are the 676 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,780 Speaker 8: things that, the stories that you tell out of this book, 677 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,050 Speaker 8: from the incarcerated to individuals who raised you as a family, 678 00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:52,110 Speaker 8: the community, and whether teachers who shaped you as third 679 00:33:52,150 --> 00:33:55,190 Speaker 8: grade teachers who shaped you as you go through life 680 00:33:55,290 --> 00:33:58,310 Speaker 8: and you went to school and you didn't want to 681 00:33:58,350 --> 00:34:00,890 Speaker 8: shame your uncle when you didn't pledge Kappa Alpha Psi. 682 00:34:02,410 --> 00:34:03,690 Speaker 7: But it was all good, man. 683 00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:04,870 Speaker 3: I love your book, Craig. 684 00:34:04,890 --> 00:34:06,770 Speaker 7: I want to appreciate you for putting it out there, man. 685 00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:07,390 Speaker 3: Thank you. 686 00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 9: Thank you for your time. I've enjoyed this conversation. You're 687 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 9: very good at what you do. Thank you for having me. 688 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 3: Okay. 689 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 7: We talk soon, man. I'm going to put this on. 690 00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:16,890 Speaker 7: I got a nice little social media. 691 00:34:16,910 --> 00:34:18,850 Speaker 8: I'm going to put that out there in my newsletter. 692 00:34:18,870 --> 00:34:19,969 Speaker 7: We're going to get that out there for you. 693 00:34:19,989 --> 00:34:22,890 Speaker 3: Okay, Craig? Thank you, sir. Be well, okay? All right. 694 00:34:22,910 --> 00:34:23,230 Speaker 9: Bye-bye. 695 00:34:23,850 --> 00:34:25,350 Speaker 8: If you want to see or hear any of my 696 00:34:25,390 --> 00:34:29,470 Speaker 8: interviews on Money Making Conversation, please go to MoneyMakingConversation.com. 697 00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:31,650 Speaker 7: I'm Rashawn McDonald. 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