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Speaker 1: Please don't politicize this virus. If you want to have
Speaker 1: many more body bugs, then you do it. If you
Speaker 1: don't want many more body bugs, then you refrain from
Speaker 1: politicizing it. Oh, the guy in charge of the World
Speaker 1: Health Organization blasting all of us. Don't politicize this so
Speaker 1: there'll be more body bags. Though he has politicized at
Speaker 1: all from the very beginning. His name is complicated. It's
Speaker 1: tedro sumthing or other something or other, so people are
Speaker 1: starting to call him t g H his initials and
Speaker 1: our our friend Lawn he Chan wrote a piece in
Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal which we read from yesterday, which
Speaker 1: he said the World Health Organization isn't just China centric
Speaker 1: it is broken and compromised, and goes through an explanation
Speaker 1: of that, and we thought, why not talk to Lon
Speaker 1: he about it. Lan he Chen is the David and
Speaker 1: Diane Stephy Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Director of
Speaker 1: Domestic Policy Studies and Lecture of the Public Policy Program
Speaker 1: at Stanford University, joins us. Now, Lan he how are you? Hey? Guys?
Speaker 1: Always good to do with you? Hey, that was a
Speaker 1: firm handed spanking you gave the wh o uh the
Speaker 1: other day and well done? Uh? What is it that
Speaker 1: bothers you most about the way they're doing? What they're doing? Well? Gosh,
Speaker 1: you know, where do we start? I mean that that
Speaker 1: clip you guys played, I mean, he doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: the director of a public health agency. He sounds like
Speaker 1: a pod dictator. And you know, one shouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if you look at the background of where Dr Tedros
Speaker 1: came from and why it is that he seems so
Speaker 1: interested in in in placating China's view on this UM.
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of challenges. First of all,
Speaker 1: the who Is has been for many years a public
Speaker 1: health organization that countries around the world have looked to
Speaker 1: for guidance on critical issues, and they've done a lot
Speaker 1: of good work. I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 1: to let that go. They've done a lot of good work.
Speaker 1: The problem is that in the last ten years or so,
Speaker 1: the organization has basically been co opted to launder the
Speaker 1: public health agenda of the Chinese government. And that's not
Speaker 1: a problem if you don't first of all, don't care
Speaker 1: or be if you're not in a state of pandemic
Speaker 1: as we are now and in the current crisis. What
Speaker 1: the World Health Organization has done is basically to simply
Speaker 1: accept without questioning or investigation, everything that the Chinese government
Speaker 1: has said about coronavirus. And now we actually no, because
Speaker 1: the U. S. Intelligence community has reported this. The Chinese
Speaker 1: have repeatedly lied, obvious, skated, and hidden the truth about coronavirus.
Speaker 1: And so when you have the Public Health Organization of
Speaker 1: the world supposedly basically taking those statements and saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're true, uh, and you know, spreading those around the
Speaker 1: rest of the world, it's a problem. It's a problem
Speaker 1: for us, and it's a problem not just for US,
Speaker 1: but for nations around the world. Well, of course, the
Speaker 1: IC on the cake is that the World Health Organization,
Speaker 1: like NATO and like the U n N of the
Speaker 1: United States, is the biggest financial contributors who are paying
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of money to have some guys spout
Speaker 1: nonsense straight out of the mouth of the communist Chinese. Well, right,
Speaker 1: so four million dollars a year is what we send
Speaker 1: the World Health Organization. We are the world's largest supporter
Speaker 1: of the w h O. By the way, the world's
Speaker 1: second largest supporter of the w h O is the
Speaker 1: Gates Foundation. It's not even another government. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not even close. And the Chinese by comparison, So we
Speaker 1: give four hundred, the Chinese give about forty four million
Speaker 1: in year. So how are they able to get control
Speaker 1: of the organization. The answer is quite simple. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing that they've done with a lot of other
Speaker 1: international organizations. They've tried to make sure that the leadership
Speaker 1: of those organizations is sympathetic to their point of view.
Speaker 1: So this guy, ted Ros was a leader in Ethiopia
Speaker 1: at a time when China invested heavily and gave a
Speaker 1: lot of money to Ethiopia to develop infrastructure and all
Speaker 1: sorts of other projects. Ted Ro's has always been accused
Speaker 1: of being too close to China and then to put
Speaker 1: icing on the cake. He puts in charge of the
Speaker 1: Coronavirus Task Force at the w h O, a guy
Speaker 1: who is completely bought into China's agenda, has not criticized
Speaker 1: China once during this entire coronavirus crisis, and instead, both
Speaker 1: he and Tedro's have criticized the United States for our
Speaker 1: policy response. Now, you can say what you want about
Speaker 1: Trump and what he's done, but there is no question
Speaker 1: in my mind that shutting down travel early to China
Speaker 1: bought us some time. Now, we didn't use the time
Speaker 1: as well as we probably should have, but it bought
Speaker 1: us time. So to criticize the US for that striking
Speaker 1: a thing completely off base, Well, what does it deal
Speaker 1: with these guys in the w h O though, are did?
Speaker 1: Did they? And I hope that good journalists look into this.
Speaker 1: This Tedros du dude back in Ethiopia. Does he have
Speaker 1: a giant house that the Chinese bought or right around
Speaker 1: a bent Ley? Or does is he holding his daughters?
Speaker 1: They are they holding his daughter's captive? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: one thing to not investigate as fully as they should
Speaker 1: early on whether or not there was human to human
Speaker 1: transmission to the virus. They did a horrible job on
Speaker 1: that and lied about it. But but to make these
Speaker 1: statements about we would just like to point out China's
Speaker 1: amazing transparency. I mean, they've gone above and beyond covering
Speaker 1: for China. What the hell? Well, right, not so, so
Speaker 1: if you look at the timeline, which is something I
Speaker 1: go through in my piece, this is really important to know.
Speaker 1: So they basically said on January fourteenth, before they had investigated.
Speaker 1: For the WHO had investigated itself, they basically said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we agree with China, there's no human to human transmission.
Speaker 1: Then a couple of weeks later, the WHO and Dr
Speaker 1: Tedro specifically applaud the Chinese Communist leadership for transparency. Then
Speaker 1: the WHO goes out and says, oh, no, don't worry.
Speaker 1: The transmission of this virus is quote minimal and slow,
Speaker 1: and in time and time again they fall down on
Speaker 1: the job. They don't even declare this thing a pandemic
Speaker 1: until March eleventh, when there are over a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: cases around the world. So the WHO, it seems to me,
Speaker 1: has failed not just in terms of its basic public
Speaker 1: health responsibilities, but in terms of being just an organization
Speaker 1: that tries to do what is best for if the
Speaker 1: rest of its member states. The other thing I'll bring
Speaker 1: up is that very early on and back in December,
Speaker 1: Taiwan had informed the WHO of this strange pneumonia like
Speaker 1: virus and asked it to produce information and to distribute
Speaker 1: information about it. Those warnings, those warnings from Taiwan of
Speaker 1: completely ignored. Now why did they go ignored because Beijing's view,
Speaker 1: China's view is that Taiwan is a renegade province and
Speaker 1: is not his own entity and therefore should not be
Speaker 1: in the w h O. So what does the WHO
Speaker 1: do Instead of investigating for the good of our public health,
Speaker 1: they accept the political argument of the Chinese government and
Speaker 1: ignore the Taiwania that that to me is unforgivable as well.
Speaker 1: Lani Chen of the Hoover Institution and Stanford University on
Speaker 1: the line, Listen, I understand that the need to say
Speaker 1: overlook some of the sins of the Saudi regime are
Speaker 1: necessary if you're going to be allied with the Saudi regime.
Speaker 1: And you could argue, well, the w h O needs
Speaker 1: to be operating in China, and like Apple and a
Speaker 1: thousand other firms is realized. Look, if I call him
Speaker 1: on all our crap, I won't even be able to
Speaker 1: do business there. But it seems to me that the
Speaker 1: who has gone so far beyond going along to get along?
Speaker 1: I'm with Jack. I mean, are they just specifically on
Speaker 1: the take? Are they communists? Are they just drawn to
Speaker 1: the great power of chairman he got? I don't get it,
Speaker 1: since they're they're the very reason for existence is to
Speaker 1: keep people from dying of diseases. Well, I do think,
Speaker 1: first of all, the leadership matters a lot. I think
Speaker 1: ted Ros is completely bought into what the Chinese government
Speaker 1: is doing and saying. Now we can speculate on why
Speaker 1: that is. And I think one of the things we
Speaker 1: ought to demand is a transparency and accounting around ted
Speaker 1: ross compensation structure, what he's being paid. You know, I
Speaker 1: think you guys raised us on the show yesterday. Is
Speaker 1: the guy flying around in like a gulf stream everywhere
Speaker 1: he goes, you know? Or is he is he swept
Speaker 1: in it in coach? You know? I mean that those
Speaker 1: will be good things to know, right And and though
Speaker 1: if we're gonna send four million dollars this organization every year.
Speaker 1: I do think it's fair for us to ask what
Speaker 1: are we getting for our money? And and right now
Speaker 1: it just seems pretty suspicious that Dr ted Ros and
Speaker 1: his cronies are walking around not having said a single
Speaker 1: You cannot find in the record a single negative thing
Speaker 1: they have said about China's handling of coronavirus, the way
Speaker 1: in which the Chinese have have essentially obfuscated the truth,
Speaker 1: or uh, the way in which you know China has
Speaker 1: responded to this internally, you will you will not see
Speaker 1: a single criticism of that. But I guarantee you you
Speaker 1: will find plenty of criticisms about the United States and
Speaker 1: about other countries that have followed the same approach that
Speaker 1: we have. Not enough criticism out of the mainstream media
Speaker 1: of the w h O and Tedros in particular, in
Speaker 1: my mind, either the New York Times had the story
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago that you could have a
Speaker 1: reduction in the damage that was done by this by
Speaker 1: this dead zinique and economically uh late at the foot
Speaker 1: of China if they had let the world know what
Speaker 1: was going on earlier on. Well, you gotta put that
Speaker 1: at the feet of Tedros himself. Don't you. Oh, you
Speaker 1: absolutely have to. He's the leader of the organization. He's
Speaker 1: the one responsible for not disseminating more information, sounding the
Speaker 1: alarm earlier, trying to do a better job of taking
Speaker 1: seriously that this was going to be a big public
Speaker 1: health challenge. And I think the who has to bear
Speaker 1: some fundamental responsibility to that. Look about the mainstream media,
Speaker 1: let me just say this, I think the reason why
Speaker 1: they they see this as Trump trying to draw a
Speaker 1: distraction away from whatever it is, but they then refused
Speaker 1: to look seriously and carefully at this organization. And I
Speaker 1: bet you if they took if they were willing to
Speaker 1: take a serious look instead of just dismissing it as
Speaker 1: some kind of stunt, they would see exactly what I saw,
Speaker 1: which is absolutely appalling. It is upon This guy is appalling,
Speaker 1: and you heard it in his response, the way that
Speaker 1: he you know, this stupid blood on their hands argument.
Speaker 1: There's another part of that clip you guys ought to
Speaker 1: find well, he says that the US needs to behave
Speaker 1: He uses the worst page. This guy, this guy is,
Speaker 1: this guy is beyond the pale, and and the first
Speaker 1: thing we need to do is we need to remove
Speaker 1: this guy, and then we can talk about organizational reform,
Speaker 1: because while this guy is there, there is no way
Speaker 1: the World Health Organization becomes a better organization. Just not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Oh though those are fighting words, dude, that
Speaker 1: stolen words out of my mouth. You know. The thing
Speaker 1: with the media, and we've observed this for a long time, Lonnie,
Speaker 1: is that they're so proud of not beings xenophobic. They've
Speaker 1: crossed some sort of line. There's xenophiles, there's zeno pheliax.
Speaker 1: They believe if it is international, if it is foreign,
Speaker 1: it's by definition superior to the ugly, ugly United States.
Speaker 1: And I think, and tell me if I'm wrong. My
Speaker 1: metaphor is like a Western movie maybe, where you know
Speaker 1: you've got the big tough gunfighter and he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to worry about anything. He just kind of lets things
Speaker 1: go because he's the biggest, toughest nobody and everybody knows
Speaker 1: it until the other the new big tough gunfighter comes
Speaker 1: to town. And I think we have just been kind
Speaker 1: of flabby and not paying attention to international institutions because
Speaker 1: we ran them. But now China is big enough and
Speaker 1: tough enough. They've come to town. They're trying to utilize
Speaker 1: these organizations to their own ends. You know, only have
Speaker 1: like twenty seconds. But if you want to comment, oh,
Speaker 1: that's right. And and the problem is we we're still
Speaker 1: spending the most amount of money in the world on
Speaker 1: these organizations, so we need to demand some accountability. I
Speaker 1: have no problem with multilateral action. There's sometimes when you
Speaker 1: need organizations like this, But if you're gonna send hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions dollars a year to an organization like this,
Speaker 1: you better be sure that we're spending it for good
Speaker 1: and not for evil. And right now, this tedros guy
Speaker 1: in the w h show are rotten to the core.
Speaker 1: Lan j h N, he thanks a million, great time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good stuff, keep preaching, my brother. And ln h N
Speaker 1: is not the kind of guy that you know, calls
Speaker 1: someone appalling. I mean that's common on cable news and
Speaker 1: and talk radio. He's not the kind of guy that
Speaker 1: says that sort of stuff unless it's true, and in
Speaker 1: this case it is very true. For all your food.
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