WEBVTT - WHO Broken and Compromised.  Lanhee Chen Talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>Please don't politicize this virus. If you want to have

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<v Speaker 1>many more body bugs, then you do it. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want many more body bugs, then you refrain from

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<v Speaker 1>politicizing it. Oh, the guy in charge of the World

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<v Speaker 1>Health Organization blasting all of us. Don't politicize this so

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be more body bags. Though he has politicized at

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<v Speaker 1>all from the very beginning. His name is complicated. It's

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<v Speaker 1>tedro sumthing or other something or other, so people are

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<v Speaker 1>starting to call him t g H his initials and

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<v Speaker 1>our our friend Lawn he Chan wrote a piece in

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<v Speaker 1>The Wall Street Journal which we read from yesterday, which

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<v Speaker 1>he said the World Health Organization isn't just China centric

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<v Speaker 1>it is broken and compromised, and goes through an explanation

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and we thought, why not talk to Lon

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<v Speaker 1>he about it. Lan he Chen is the David and

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<v Speaker 1>Diane Stephy Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Director of

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<v Speaker 1>Domestic Policy Studies and Lecture of the Public Policy Program

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<v Speaker 1>at Stanford University, joins us. Now, Lan he how are you? Hey? Guys?

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<v Speaker 1>Always good to do with you? Hey, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>firm handed spanking you gave the wh o uh the

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<v Speaker 1>other day and well done? Uh? What is it that

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<v Speaker 1>bothers you most about the way they're doing? What they're doing? Well? Gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where do we start? I mean that that

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<v Speaker 1>clip you guys played, I mean, he doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 1>the director of a public health agency. He sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a pod dictator. And you know, one shouldn't be surprised

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the background of where Dr Tedros

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<v Speaker 1>came from and why it is that he seems so

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<v Speaker 1>interested in in in placating China's view on this UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a couple of challenges. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>the who Is has been for many years a public

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<v Speaker 1>health organization that countries around the world have looked to

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<v Speaker 1>for guidance on critical issues, and they've done a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of good work. I don't want to I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to let that go. They've done a lot of good work.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is that in the last ten years or so,

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<v Speaker 1>the organization has basically been co opted to launder the

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<v Speaker 1>public health agenda of the Chinese government. And that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a problem if you don't first of all, don't care

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<v Speaker 1>or be if you're not in a state of pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>as we are now and in the current crisis. What

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<v Speaker 1>the World Health Organization has done is basically to simply

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<v Speaker 1>accept without questioning or investigation, everything that the Chinese government

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<v Speaker 1>has said about coronavirus. And now we actually no, because

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<v Speaker 1>the U. S. Intelligence community has reported this. The Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>have repeatedly lied, obvious, skated, and hidden the truth about coronavirus.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you have the Public Health Organization of

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<v Speaker 1>the world supposedly basically taking those statements and saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're true, uh, and you know, spreading those around the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the world, it's a problem. It's a problem

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<v Speaker 1>for us, and it's a problem not just for US,

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<v Speaker 1>but for nations around the world. Well, of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>IC on the cake is that the World Health Organization,

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<v Speaker 1>like NATO and like the U n N of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, is the biggest financial contributors who are paying

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of money to have some guys spout

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<v Speaker 1>nonsense straight out of the mouth of the communist Chinese. Well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so four million dollars a year is what we send

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<v Speaker 1>the World Health Organization. We are the world's largest supporter

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<v Speaker 1>of the w h O. By the way, the world's

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<v Speaker 1>second largest supporter of the w h O is the

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<v Speaker 1>Gates Foundation. It's not even another government. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even close. And the Chinese by comparison, So we

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<v Speaker 1>give four hundred, the Chinese give about forty four million

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<v Speaker 1>in year. So how are they able to get control

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<v Speaker 1>of the organization. The answer is quite simple. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing that they've done with a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>international organizations. They've tried to make sure that the leadership

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<v Speaker 1>of those organizations is sympathetic to their point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>So this guy, ted Ros was a leader in Ethiopia

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<v Speaker 1>at a time when China invested heavily and gave a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money to Ethiopia to develop infrastructure and all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of other projects. Ted Ro's has always been accused

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<v Speaker 1>of being too close to China and then to put

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<v Speaker 1>icing on the cake. He puts in charge of the

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<v Speaker 1>Coronavirus Task Force at the w h O, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who is completely bought into China's agenda, has not criticized

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<v Speaker 1>China once during this entire coronavirus crisis, and instead, both

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<v Speaker 1>he and Tedro's have criticized the United States for our

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<v Speaker 1>policy response. Now, you can say what you want about

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and what he's done, but there is no question

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<v Speaker 1>in my mind that shutting down travel early to China

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<v Speaker 1>bought us some time. Now, we didn't use the time

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<v Speaker 1>as well as we probably should have, but it bought

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<v Speaker 1>us time. So to criticize the US for that striking

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<v Speaker 1>a thing completely off base, Well, what does it deal

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<v Speaker 1>with these guys in the w h O though, are did?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they? And I hope that good journalists look into this.

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<v Speaker 1>This Tedros du dude back in Ethiopia. Does he have

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<v Speaker 1>a giant house that the Chinese bought or right around

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<v Speaker 1>a bent Ley? Or does is he holding his daughters?

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<v Speaker 1>They are they holding his daughter's captive? I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing to not investigate as fully as they should

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<v Speaker 1>early on whether or not there was human to human

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<v Speaker 1>transmission to the virus. They did a horrible job on

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<v Speaker 1>that and lied about it. But but to make these

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<v Speaker 1>statements about we would just like to point out China's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing transparency. I mean, they've gone above and beyond covering

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<v Speaker 1>for China. What the hell? Well, right, not so, so

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the timeline, which is something I

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<v Speaker 1>go through in my piece, this is really important to know.

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<v Speaker 1>So they basically said on January fourteenth, before they had investigated.

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<v Speaker 1>For the WHO had investigated itself, they basically said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we agree with China, there's no human to human transmission.

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<v Speaker 1>Then a couple of weeks later, the WHO and Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Tedro specifically applaud the Chinese Communist leadership for transparency. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the WHO goes out and says, oh, no, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>The transmission of this virus is quote minimal and slow,

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<v Speaker 1>and in time and time again they fall down on

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<v Speaker 1>the job. They don't even declare this thing a pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>until March eleventh, when there are over a hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>cases around the world. So the WHO, it seems to me,

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<v Speaker 1>has failed not just in terms of its basic public

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<v Speaker 1>health responsibilities, but in terms of being just an organization

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<v Speaker 1>that tries to do what is best for if the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of its member states. The other thing I'll bring

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<v Speaker 1>up is that very early on and back in December,

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<v Speaker 1>Taiwan had informed the WHO of this strange pneumonia like

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<v Speaker 1>virus and asked it to produce information and to distribute

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<v Speaker 1>information about it. Those warnings, those warnings from Taiwan of

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<v Speaker 1>completely ignored. Now why did they go ignored because Beijing's view,

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<v Speaker 1>China's view is that Taiwan is a renegade province and

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<v Speaker 1>is not his own entity and therefore should not be

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<v Speaker 1>in the w h O. So what does the WHO

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<v Speaker 1>do Instead of investigating for the good of our public health,

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<v Speaker 1>they accept the political argument of the Chinese government and

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<v Speaker 1>ignore the Taiwania that that to me is unforgivable as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Lani Chen of the Hoover Institution and Stanford University on

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<v Speaker 1>the line, Listen, I understand that the need to say

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<v Speaker 1>overlook some of the sins of the Saudi regime are

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<v Speaker 1>necessary if you're going to be allied with the Saudi regime.

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<v Speaker 1>And you could argue, well, the w h O needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be operating in China, and like Apple and a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand other firms is realized. Look, if I call him

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<v Speaker 1>on all our crap, I won't even be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do business there. But it seems to me that the

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<v Speaker 1>who has gone so far beyond going along to get along?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with Jack. I mean, are they just specifically on

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<v Speaker 1>the take? Are they communists? Are they just drawn to

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<v Speaker 1>the great power of chairman he got? I don't get it,

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<v Speaker 1>since they're they're the very reason for existence is to

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<v Speaker 1>keep people from dying of diseases. Well, I do think,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, the leadership matters a lot. I think

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<v Speaker 1>ted Ros is completely bought into what the Chinese government

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<v Speaker 1>is doing and saying. Now we can speculate on why

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<v Speaker 1>that is. And I think one of the things we

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<v Speaker 1>ought to demand is a transparency and accounting around ted

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<v Speaker 1>ross compensation structure, what he's being paid. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you guys raised us on the show yesterday. Is

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<v Speaker 1>the guy flying around in like a gulf stream everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, you know? Or is he is he swept

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<v Speaker 1>in it in coach? You know? I mean that those

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<v Speaker 1>will be good things to know, right And and though

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<v Speaker 1>if we're gonna send four million dollars this organization every year.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's fair for us to ask what

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<v Speaker 1>are we getting for our money? And and right now

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<v Speaker 1>it just seems pretty suspicious that Dr ted Ros and

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<v Speaker 1>his cronies are walking around not having said a single

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot find in the record a single negative thing

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<v Speaker 1>they have said about China's handling of coronavirus, the way

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<v Speaker 1>in which the Chinese have have essentially obfuscated the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>or uh, the way in which you know China has

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<v Speaker 1>responded to this internally, you will you will not see

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<v Speaker 1>a single criticism of that. But I guarantee you you

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<v Speaker 1>will find plenty of criticisms about the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>about other countries that have followed the same approach that

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<v Speaker 1>we have. Not enough criticism out of the mainstream media

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<v Speaker 1>of the w h O and Tedros in particular, in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, either the New York Times had the story

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago that you could have a

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<v Speaker 1>reduction in the damage that was done by this by

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<v Speaker 1>this dead zinique and economically uh late at the foot

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<v Speaker 1>of China if they had let the world know what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on earlier on. Well, you gotta put that

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<v Speaker 1>at the feet of Tedros himself. Don't you. Oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely have to. He's the leader of the organization. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the one responsible for not disseminating more information, sounding the

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<v Speaker 1>alarm earlier, trying to do a better job of taking

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<v Speaker 1>seriously that this was going to be a big public

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<v Speaker 1>health challenge. And I think the who has to bear

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<v Speaker 1>some fundamental responsibility to that. Look about the mainstream media,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just say this, I think the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>they they see this as Trump trying to draw a

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<v Speaker 1>distraction away from whatever it is, but they then refused

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<v Speaker 1>to look seriously and carefully at this organization. And I

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<v Speaker 1>bet you if they took if they were willing to

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<v Speaker 1>take a serious look instead of just dismissing it as

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of stunt, they would see exactly what I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>which is absolutely appalling. It is upon This guy is appalling,

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<v Speaker 1>and you heard it in his response, the way that

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, this stupid blood on their hands argument.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another part of that clip you guys ought to

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<v Speaker 1>find well, he says that the US needs to behave

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<v Speaker 1>He uses the worst page. This guy, this guy is,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is beyond the pale, and and the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing we need to do is we need to remove

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, and then we can talk about organizational reform,

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<v Speaker 1>because while this guy is there, there is no way

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<v Speaker 1>the World Health Organization becomes a better organization. Just not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. Oh though those are fighting words, dude, that

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<v Speaker 1>stolen words out of my mouth. You know. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>with the media, and we've observed this for a long time, Lonnie,

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<v Speaker 1>is that they're so proud of not beings xenophobic. They've

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<v Speaker 1>crossed some sort of line. There's xenophiles, there's zeno pheliax.

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<v Speaker 1>They believe if it is international, if it is foreign,

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<v Speaker 1>it's by definition superior to the ugly, ugly United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, and tell me if I'm wrong. My

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<v Speaker 1>metaphor is like a Western movie maybe, where you know

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the big tough gunfighter and he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about anything. He just kind of lets things

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<v Speaker 1>go because he's the biggest, toughest nobody and everybody knows

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<v Speaker 1>it until the other the new big tough gunfighter comes

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<v Speaker 1>to town. And I think we have just been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of flabby and not paying attention to international institutions because

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<v Speaker 1>we ran them. But now China is big enough and

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<v Speaker 1>tough enough. They've come to town. They're trying to utilize

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<v Speaker 1>these organizations to their own ends. You know, only have

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty seconds. But if you want to comment, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. And and the problem is we we're still

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<v Speaker 1>spending the most amount of money in the world on

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<v Speaker 1>these organizations, so we need to demand some accountability. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no problem with multilateral action. There's sometimes when you

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<v Speaker 1>need organizations like this, But if you're gonna send hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of millions dollars a year to an organization like this,

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<v Speaker 1>you better be sure that we're spending it for good

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<v Speaker 1>and not for evil. And right now, this tedros guy

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<v Speaker 1>in the w h show are rotten to the core.

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<v Speaker 1>Lan j h N, he thanks a million, great time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff, keep preaching, my brother. And ln h N

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<v Speaker 1>is not the kind of guy that you know, calls

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<v Speaker 1>someone appalling. I mean that's common on cable news and

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<v Speaker 1>and talk radio. He's not the kind of guy that

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<v Speaker 1>says that sort of stuff unless it's true, and in

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<v Speaker 1>this case it is very true. For all your food.

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<v Speaker 1>He's out there, I'm unwrapping a McDonald's steak, egg and

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<v Speaker 1>cheese bagel. Look at this steak and the juice running

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<v Speaker 1>down the sign. Get a little bit on a wrapper here,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the fluffy egg and real cheese flowed over

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<v Speaker 1>the all right, looking just so good. M m Griled

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<v Speaker 1>onions and a butt of bagel too. Thumbs off of mcdonald'

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<v Speaker 1>steak gagg and cheese bagel for Breakfast, Love It mbotu,

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<v Speaker 1>I participate in McDonald's