WEBVTT - Bigger Bodies Can Have Eating Disorders Too with Eleni Agresta, MS, RD 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.960 I won't lend my body out out everything that I'm 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:08.800 made do. Won't spend my life trying to change. I'm 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.440 learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong, 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.840 I feel free, I know who every part of me. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:24.000 It's beautiful and I will always out way. If you 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.640 feel it with your eyes in the air, she'll s 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.480 love to the mood. I am there. Say good one 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:35.280 day and time did you and die out? Welcome back 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.760 to Outweigh Today it's just me Lisa, and I'm joined 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.080 by an amazing guest, a Lennie, who's a registered dietitian. 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.720 Welcome a Lennie, Thank you so much for having me. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.080 I'm super excited to be here. I'm so excited, and 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:52.320 I just keep meeting amazing health professionals on Instagram like you, 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.440 and you happen to be local to where I live, 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.080 which is on Long Island, so even better. Hopefully we'll 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.880 meet when things come down a little bit with COVID 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.320 over here. But I think that it's really easy when 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.880 you're on social media to get sucked down the rabbit 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.880 hole of one way nutritionists perform and think that's what 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.360 nutrition is. And it's really great to know that obviously, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.039 or maybe not so obviously. The trend has become a 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.760 lot more anti diet. But once you kind of foray 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.919 into that world by way of Instagram, you keep finding 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.520 more and more people, so it's it's such an exciting 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.039 time for sure. It's definitely um. I've been on Instagram 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.479 like professionally for a few years now, but when I 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.760 first started, this anti diet movement was not there, and 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.479 I found as a dietitian in a larger sized body, 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.440 I was definitely like I had never seen another dietitian 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.320 on Instagram that wasn't a larger sized body. My original 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.760 name before All Bodies Nutrition was the Curvy Dietitian, and 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.160 that's how I started it, and I ended up changing 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.840 it because I felt like excluded bodies that were not curvy. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.240 So I like, on my journey of you know, wanting 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.840 to promote diversity of body size, I found that I 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.000 wanted to use the name that was all encompassing because 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.000 we are all not meant to have the same type 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.680 of body and so in general, definitely, this anti diet 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.960 trends has been very prevalent for the past year, which 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.520 is really great to meet other dietitians not just locally, 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.200 but like across the country and even across the world 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.400 who have this message in this outlook, and how it's 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.040 really changing the face of what you would think nutrition 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.560 should be quote unquote. So it's super cool. Yeah, I 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.079 wish we met earlier. Like like you said, I I 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:42.080 started using Instagram professionally to speak about I don't know 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.040 if I was calling it an anti diet message, but 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.880 I mean it was starting to look a lot like 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.920 what you hear me say today. But I too was, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.280 you know, in my sphere, the only person that was 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.000 saying it. But I was a smaller body. So it's 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.760 really great to kind of I think, being juxtaposition to 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.359 who you know. I think as as quote unquote hard 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.120 a time as I had showing up to a platform 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.840 where all dietitians we're not saying what I was saying, 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.880 it was probably still more well received than perhaps you 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:22.960 because of you know the implications of what curvy means 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.960 or what bigger bodies might mean in terms of health, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:27.800 which we're going to break down. What I love is 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.520 that you've really been owning your own personal body for 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.480 a long time, and you said specifically that when you 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.960 came to Instagram, you didn't see other bodies that looked 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.680 like yours as registered dietitians showing up. But I'm curious, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.160 what about in real life? Did you have any registered 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.960 dietitians who were model behavior that looked like you, that 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.480 you looked up to. I would say definitely, like just 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.000 going through dietetics like the DPD, which are the requirements 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.400 we had to take to be able to apply for 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.000 the dietetic internship, Like there were maybe one or two 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.400 other girls that were in larger sized bodies. It was 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.520 definitely different. I mean, I guess thankfully, like at that time, 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.599 like it wasn't something that bothered me. But throughout the 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.840 years of like having interns when I used to work 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.880 in clinical and I did receive interns that were in 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.160 different sized bodies, they expressed to me how like hey, 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.120 like how did you how did you feel? And I 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.720 was like, you know, I was never treated differently by professors, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.280 but definitely when I was in my internship, certain preceptors 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:39.000 that I had had a bias towards me, and uh, 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.000 it definitely felt not so great. But as I've gotten older, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.680 I realized, like it just comes down to their their 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.920 inability to see outside of themselves and like what nutrition 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.640 is supposed supposed to quote unquote look like. And you 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.680 know I have to say, like, um, I went to 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.719 l U Post which is on Long Island for my 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.359 internship and my masters and everything, and like I was 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.400 never made to feel any different. But you know, there 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.120 are times where I'm sure I saw a new patient 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.040 who didn't know what I looked like and they came 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.080 in to me. And this was before I was a 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.280 wait inclusive dietitian, and I'm sure they had some sort 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.760 of bias. But you know, that's why I do what 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.720 I do to try to spread the message of like, 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.279 everyone's body is different and even if we all ate 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.039 the same exact things and move the same way, we 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.240 would still look completely differently. Yeah, And I mean, I 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.599 think when you're talking about your preceptors, you have the 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.640 preceptors if you're unfamiliar. When we go through our training 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.320 to become a registered dietitian, we do an internship and 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.280 it's supervised by other registered dietitians. So the dietitians that 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.800 are above us, so to speak, that are training us, 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:46.320 are called our preceptors. And a lot of older generations 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.400 as well as current generations have weight stigma, so the 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:54.880 belief that a bigger body means that you are less 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.240 healthy and therefore your behaviors are less healthy. And there's 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.960 this idea that you know, you just make the healthy 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.960 choices and we'll all look the same. But hopefully we're 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.760 continuing to break this down in the podcast. But there's 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.360 something about your personal confidence I think that has kind 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.719 of carried you through probably difficult moments that would have 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.840 otherwise broken somebody else down in your same exact body. 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.360 So I think there's something about your personal confidence that 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.920 you know, really shines through or your self worth or 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.320 something that has maybe not always been tied to your 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.960 body tracts definitely like from my whole life, and I 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.599 mean that's something that maybe we'll progress talking about, like 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.800 my personal journey, which like I don't highlight on my 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.200 feed anymore because it's not relevant to other people, Like 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.120 what body weight my body has gone through or changes 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.000 my body has gone through has nothing to do with 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.840 what anyone else's body should or should not do, and 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.680 that's just you know, how my body works. But definitely 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.880 self worth where I realized like I am a worthy 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.800 person and I am a competent person regardless of what 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.720 size I am, or what weight I am, or whether 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.520 or not my stomach is flat or not. And as 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.360 far as my knowledge goes of nutrition and working with 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.480 clients depending on like what their situation is is totally 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.640 separate from that. That's awesome. So your work, if it 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.560 hasn't come through, is really centered around eating disorders in females, 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.560 specifically in larger bodies. And I love that you're targeting 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.560 that because we do hear from a lot of our 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:30.120 audience that they feel unseen and unheard either on our 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:34.760 podcast or in real life, because they relate to everything 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.840 we talked about on this podcast when it comes to 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.640 overthinking about food all the time, obsessing, you know, using 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:47.120 exercise for the wrong reasons, rumination, guilt, dieting. But they 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.559 look different than me and Amy, my co host, and 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.920 some of the guests that we have on also, we 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.200 try to really have all guests on that I think 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.920 bring valuable information. We don't, you know, judge based on 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.480 body size, but ultimately people need to see people that 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.520 look like them to understand. But essentially it boils down 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.400 to the fact that yes, what we're saying speaks to them, 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.080 but they still don't think they deserve to raise their 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.680 hand and say I have a problem because they're still 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.080 occupying a bigger body where their doctors are telling them 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.920 to lose weight and their family friends are telling them 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.080 to lose weight, And how could that be an eating disorder? Yeah, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.240 for sure. And I realized prior to becoming a dietitian, 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.480 I did a lot of like bonds here work dealing 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.760 with eating disorders. It just so happened that the dietitian 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.720 that I was previously working with, she did specialize in 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.959 working with eating disorders. So I spent many years and 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.920 outpatient eating disorder program for adolescents, and a lot of 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.800 the things that I saw there, I started to see 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.200 in clients that were coming to me wanting to lose 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.000 weight because their b m I was a certain size, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.440 or their weight was a certain size, or the doctor 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.360 said they had to lose weight, whatever the thing may 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.000 have been, and they were exhibiting the same symptoms as 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.680 the eating just our patients that I had worked with. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.319 And it kind of made me please and say, like, okay, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.840 regardless of your body size, if you come to me 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:12.120 with disordered eating habits, or an eating disorder. My recommendations 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.319 are going to basically be the same thing whether or 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.720 not you're considered underweight by the b m I skill 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.560 or overweight or obese. And that's when I really started 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.760 to make that switch from not promoting intentional weight loss, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.000 because what I explained to people is that your body 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.160 is smart and it knows what to do. But if 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.160 you have all these years of trauma surrounded by food, 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.160 if you've been trying to lose weight your whole entire 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.760 life and you're constantly on a diet, you're so out 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.520 of touch with what your body is natural like hunger 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.120 and satiety cues are, or what your body's natural affinity 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.400 for movement is or isn't. And so if you've spent 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.880 so much time and energy focusing on these things and 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.760 you're still in a larger sized body, you need to 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.480 heal whatever that may be. And in the end, your body, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.319 your body weight may decline, but it may go up 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.840 or may stay the same. We're not really sure, you know, 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.760 But it's just healing those issues or obstacles like I 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.280 like to call them. It's really the main focus. So 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.800 whether it's someone who is diagnosed clinically with an eating disweater, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.120 or someone who just comes to me who had disweatered 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:20.280 eating symptoms. And I think that that's just so important 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.679 for everyone to hear. Whatever body size you currently occupy 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.679 or have occupied in the past, you are worthy of 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.400 coming home to your body first and foremost. And coming 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:35.080 home does not mean effort, force, restriction, discipline will plower. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:41.719 It means love, compassion, care, nourishment, um support. And it's 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.760 important to know that if you're listening and you're a 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.200 bigger body or you let I think it's important for 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.560 also smaller all bodies to really hear this message because 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.360 we we all bring the stigma. I bring the stigma, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.760 you know, we all bring the stigma that somebody can 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.760 do more. But what if they've already done the most 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.079 and we don't know it and they're really hurting. So, 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.600 I mean, the main takeaway I really want to be 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:08.800 loud and clear on this podcast is that anybody, any 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.440 physical body and anybody, any person can have an eating 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.240 disorder act a hundred percent. And I think it's important 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.040 for us to do this work and to continue to 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.120 do you know, there's a lot of research that's being 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.240 done that's really reshaping how things are looked at in 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.960 a clinical like hopefully it will trickle up to a 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:32.800 clinical setting um and how it's viewed there, because right now, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.160 I haven't worked in a clinical setting in a few 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.920 years now, but when I did, there's just a lot 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.360 of as you know, like wait, stigma and bias, and 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.760 people are not getting adequate care. But at the end 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.439 of the day, like, regardless of your body size, you 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.040 should feel good with what you're eating, and you should 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.000 feel good in the way that you move your body, 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.719 and forcing yourself to do something is not going to 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.559 just make a difference your your body is smart. It's 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.440 always gonna end up where it's supposed to end up 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.040 as long as you're listening to it. Yeah, what are 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.720 some of the stigmas that exist around eating disorders and 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:10.800 bigger bodies, both from the healthcare practitioner, the individual, and 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.640 just society. As far as the individual who doesn't feel 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.840 that they're allowed quote unquote to have an eating diswater 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.880 or or have disordered eating because they are in a 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:26.200 larger body is really dangerous because there are like medical 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.840 implications of you know, whatever the habits, maybe regarding restriction 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.679 or any like actual eating, diswater behaviors as far as 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.800 the practitioner goes. And I know when I was working 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.800 with various physicians and like the local error gardens City 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.640 Manhattan things like that, they don't look at the individual 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.040 as a whole and they just say like, oh, this 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:54.720 person is pre diabetic, so tell them to lose weight, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.160 Like that's what they would tell me. And I would say, well, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.239 what if someone comes to me and they're pre diabetic 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.120 and they're at a quote unquote normal weight, what are 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.920 my recommendations done? Has nothing to do with your weight. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.920 My recommendations whether you're a normal weight or overweight or 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.960 obese and you're pre diabetic, it's going to be the 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:15.320 same thing. So doing more like health centered recommendations and 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.800 not weight centered recommendations will improve patient outcomes. So this 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.199 is definitely something that practitioners and physicians should be paying 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.120 attention to. But it's just reframing people's understanding of like 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.280 what actual health is and it's not one size. And 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.240 I mean I've had hundreds of patients back when I 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.400 used to work like in a physician's office, and I 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.880 would just see back to back patients people with high cholesterol, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.640 you know, not taking care of themselves, but their weight 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.720 was considered normal, So what would someone's recommendation be. Then 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.800 you know there's no weight recommendations for those patients. There's 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.760 obviously other recommendations that will actually improve their lab values 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.920 and things like that. So just refocusing how we look 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.280 at health and how to actually improve health. And you 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.400 have a really unique background because you were on the 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.040 track for premed transition to becoming an r D and 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:13.400 you have PCOS where the general recommendation is to lose weight. 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.960 That being said, I feel like we could sub that 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.880 into an entire episode, So we're not going to dive 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.720 too deep on that just yet. But if you're listening 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.320 right now and you're super interested on dealing with pcos 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:29.360 or why doctors may say just lose weight and things 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.560 will improve, join us when a Lenny comes back, which 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.840 is going to be in about two weeks from this 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.560 episode's air date, So just so you know, that's why 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.720 I'm not diving a little bit further now, but I 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.920 really want to dive into that on our second episode, 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.760 where we could get a little bit more nitty gritty 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:49.560 into disease states managing them with weight and outcomes related 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:54.040 to do so, So why are the symptoms of an 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:59.440 eating disorder more important to really think about rather than 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.520 just way or b AM I well weight and b 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.440 M I. Both of those things are not actual habits, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.200 and the symptoms are the habits that you form. And 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.640 so what I find is a lot of individuals, whether 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.440 they're quote unquote considered a normal sized body or a 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.040 larger sized body, a lot of times those symptoms are 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:25.360 encouraged like restriction, cutting out food groups, motivational Monday, let's restart, 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.400 let's reset Monday, cheat days, all those things. Those are 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:34.440 disordered habits to have, and all of those disordered habits 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:38.320 are geared towards shrinking your body. And so when we 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:42.920 talk about shrinking our bodies just scientifically, like I explain 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.680 to people, your body isn't just like selectively loose fat. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.800 It doesn't just say this person has a lot of 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.280 fat on their body and we're just gonna use that 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.400 up as energy. It's very taxing on the body to 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.560 actually burn fat for fuel when you aren't giving it 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.200 adequate energy and carbohydrates. It actually may be easier for 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.840 it to use your own muscle mass, which we know 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.479 is important for so many different things, not just strengthen 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.040 things like that, but your immune system all these different things. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.040 So when you're losing weight and you're forcing your body 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.720 to shrink itself in a in a very unhealthy, disordered manner, 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.720 you're lowering your b min and you're lowering your weight, 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.800 but you're also lowering your lean body mass and then 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.760 your your immunity, like you said, beautifully. Yeah, So I 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.920 always recommend to people like people are always so concerned 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.480 with like calories and how much on burning and this 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.360 and that, and the worst thing that you could do 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:40.360 is essentially like starving your body from adequate nutrients, adequate carbohydrates, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.520 adequate protein, et cetera, and shrink your lean body mass 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.760 because we know it's hard, especially as we get older, 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.240 to build up that lean body mass. So reframing what 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.080 people think of in terms of weight loss and what 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.560 it actually really means, some of my clients are like, Wow, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.640 I never even thought about that, because all you hear 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.440 is like, oh, let's get healthy and lean and happy, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.400 and no one thinks about what it actually means and 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.600 what the consequences on the body actually are. You just 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.480 triggered a memory and it's a little off tangent, but 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.320 I have. You know, I'm pretty selective in who I 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.520 follow when it comes to people what they'll say about 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.840 food and bodies like I have. You know, I don't 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.119 want a feed that doesn't reflect. Not that I'm not 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.200 open to hearing other people's thoughts, but it can be 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.400 even I wouldn't say triggering for me, but it's kind 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.560 of just like, oh, I can't I can't see this, 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.960 you know. But recently I follow a trainer that I 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.000 worked with one time in d C. The only time 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.320 I ever saw a trainer one it is literally one time, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.240 and then I was like no, but he was a 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.960 good trainer when it came to movement, functional movement. You know, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.680 we didn't talk about anything nutrition wise, and I never 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.080 really heard him speak about anything nutrition wise. And he 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:54.160 did a post recently about you know, should you intermittent 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.000 fast or not? And I thought he was going in 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.600 the direction that was going to be great, and it 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:05.040 pivoted into it's all about the calories, calories in verse, 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:10.119 calories out, and I was really shocked because it's really 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:14.720 shows how insidious social media can be when it comes 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:19.040 to following health professionals because it was so posed like 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.560 I was going to really like cheer him on and 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.280 be proud of what he was putting out, and yet 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:31.359 it boiled down to just old science and treating everybody 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.600 like we're the same, Like if you and I just 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.240 ate the same amount, first of all, we shouldn't eat 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.800 the same amount. Not that I deserve less or more 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.280 than you or you more than me, but who knows, right, 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.760 Like who knows what's going on in my body and 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.199 what's going on in your body? That that we're just 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:51.240 a simple math equation. And I found it so dangerous 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.359 and scary that this is, you know, obviously rampant. I 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.040 don't see it as much because of where my head 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.960 is at, but it's still rampant. But imagine someone who 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.919 isn't you with your education and your outlook. It prays 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.440 on these individuals. And we could talk about how many 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:12.520 different celebrities push these you know, unrealistic or even just 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.800 trainers that maybe you like how they train and you 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.000 like the recommendations training wise that they make, but then 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.240 they are still rooted in diet culture, and you know, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.000 to send out that message to so many people just 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.560 further makes it more difficult for voices like hours to 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.200 like reach as many people as pos. They just don't know, right, 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.400 Like they don't know. He doesn't know that he's saturated 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.719 in diet culture or that he's perhaps suffering, like I 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.080 even mean it like compare, like I had to unfollow 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.080 because it just I just couldn't. And I have a 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.640 really high tolerance. I really don't just unfollow somebody when 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.159 I disagree with them. I don't believe in that personally. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.480 But it just really upset me that this is still, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.440 you know, going on. And I know you don't really talk, 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.520 like you said, like you don't tell your personal story 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.160 so much, but I did go back on your feet 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.760 a little bit, and I think it's actually really helpful 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.720 when you do tell parts of your personal story. And 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.200 you told one story about how you were lifting at 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:17.000 the gym and you faced some sort of stigma in 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.679 doing so. Do you remember this? Which one was it? 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:24.600 That someone was like approaching me in regard? Yeah? Oh yeah, 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.960 for sure. I mean that has definitely happened, like the 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:31.760 fat phobia environment of a gym. So what happened exactly 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.320 if you're comfortable talking about it? Yeah, So essentially I 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.439 was I had been trained by my sister who is 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.520 also a dietician and a personal trainer, but she had 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.919 trained me for like maybe a few years prior to 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.159 me just working out on my own. So not that 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.639 I'm a personal trainer by any means, but I have 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.800 an idea about you know, good form, and I had 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.040 a plan and all these sorts of things. I was 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.960 at my gym and it had happened a few times, 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.240 but that one specific, big time that you're referring to 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:05.040 was this trainer. This was obviously pre covid um. This 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.920 trainer had come up to me, and he didn't have 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:12.320 a great bedside manner, even though he wasn't a physician, 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:14.159 but like, you know, just the way he came up 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.399 to me, it was just very abrupt in the middle 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.520 of my set and was like, oh, you're working out 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.399 one part of your body, but I believe I was 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.399 working out another, which was bizarre in itself. And he 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.800 basically was like targeting me because I was in a 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.399 larger sized body and I and I didn't want to 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.280 come to that conclusion and make that judgment, but I 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.959 watched him throughout my hour there, however long it was. 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.080 He did not go up to anyone else and there's 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.399 a bunch of other people there. So in gym's they're 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.879 like meant to target. They're literally told to target people 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.280 who they think could become clients for you know, weight loss. 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.679 And I went to the manager and the manager wasn't there, 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:55.320 but there was someone behind the desk and I kind 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.000 of got into like a little bit of a fight 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:58.840 with her, and I was like, listen, like this has 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.280 happened before. I've never said anything before, but I just 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.080