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Speaker 1: Your tuns About Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Steeler Nation. How we doing well? That's good

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Speaker 2: us too, our number two here on the drive on

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Speaker 2: this Thursday, as we roll along getting ready for the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, you know, crossing t's and dot and i's

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers coaching staff. A whole bunch going on,

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Speaker 2: but an exercise that we also have to continue, and Matt,

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Speaker 2: we'll find things like this to do, like throughout the

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Speaker 2: off season, and you know, kind of themes or benchmarks

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Speaker 2: throughout the week that you know that kind of the

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Speaker 2: listeners can can expect in a series.

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Speaker 3: Of different as.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a yeah, good way to put it. And

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Speaker 2: of course this week we've been doing position group report

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Speaker 2: cards if you if you maybe haven't heard throughout the week,

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Speaker 2: real simple, just position group or we're gonna do two

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Speaker 2: kind of combined today because they're a little thinner like

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Speaker 2: running backs that's really only a two man conversation. Tight

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Speaker 2: so I figured we'd combine running backs and tight ends today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but we've been just taking position groups on each side

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Speaker 2: of the ball and kind of report card style grading

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Speaker 2: them for the year. We have done both sides of

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Speaker 2: the trenches. We have done wide receivers, and we have

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Speaker 2: done cornerbacks. So let's start here today on the offensive

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Speaker 2: side of this series with running backs and tight ends.

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson, let's start start with the running backs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I think that's a pretty that's just a neat.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's two guys really because.

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Speaker 3: But that influences the grade, because I think Johnson's an

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Speaker 3: f till now, you know, and you were counting on them,

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Speaker 3: and that's not I think we all understood how the process.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they got lucky, but I think the

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Speaker 3: process was a very sound one. Let Nausey walk get

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Speaker 3: a bigger back, keep Warring basically in his role, plus

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean the Warren role with nause but

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Speaker 3: just a third down back. You gave him a contract

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Speaker 3: is Jimmy's on top. If it's keep a Pittsburgh ask.

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Speaker 3: And the plan didn't work, but the results were good.

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Speaker 3: You know that plan. You never were able to trust Johnson.

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Speaker 3: We'll see where his future is. I don't know, but

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Speaker 3: I bet he's glad that there's a new coaching staff

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Speaker 3: evaluating him. We've said this a couple of times that Roman,

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Speaker 3: Wilson and Johnson are two that are probably happy to

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Speaker 3: get a new lease on life. Yes, they were digging

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Speaker 3: didn't go to plan. So I think that's part of

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Speaker 3: the equation. But Warren's a really good player.

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Speaker 2: He was ranked as the tenth best running back in

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Speaker 2: the NFL this season by PFF, really number ten overall.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that's crazy. And I've been telling

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Speaker 3: just from doing advanced stat stuff like his receiving, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's top five every year he's in here, and he's

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Speaker 3: a really good pass blocker. Warren's a really good player.

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Speaker 3: So his season has not surprised me at all.

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Speaker 2: If we talk about guys on this offense that stand

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Speaker 2: Jalen Warren might be the one. I mean, he might

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Speaker 2: be the guy that might most improve from an overall

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't argue that one bit. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: He's an A for what you signed him for and

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Speaker 3: Well, yes and no. I mean, like again, I people

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Speaker 3: I get what you're treadwells or treadwell. Gain Well's not

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Speaker 2: Pleasant surprise of any running back in the NFL LEA right, right, right,

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Speaker 2: But I get what you're saying. What I mean, it

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Speaker 3: You're saying, Like, I can't give the running wats A. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not giving the running backs in a I mean.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, but I've given him a bee.

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Speaker 2: Well, are you saying both guys the position as a whole?

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Speaker 2: I think that's fair, yes, because again you have to

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Speaker 2: give Caleb Johnson a failing grade. But I also don't

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Speaker 3: No, that's not like being so hard on the receivers

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. Jalen Warren was what you got

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Speaker 2: I think that's I think we were on the same

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Speaker 2: page as Yeah, Jalen Warren tenth highest rate running back

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Speaker 2: by PFF, number one rated Steelers offensive player from last

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Speaker 3: I've said this before that since he's been a Steeler,

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Speaker 3: he's in content tension over that stretch to be their

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Speaker 2: An undrafted you know, little guy. Yeah, that's impressive, really impressive.

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Speaker 2: It'd be really nice if you could get Caleb Johnson

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Speaker 3: See, that's the thing that this is more of a

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Speaker 3: I still like the plan to be have somebody bigger

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Speaker 3: Lighter in the running back room than I want. So

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Speaker 2: That's going to be very telling. Yeah, because at least

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Speaker 3: And one of the problems with Johnson this is in

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Speaker 3: And usually and and as you know, like in the

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Speaker 3: If you're the fifth receiver active, you got. If you're

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Speaker 3: And that's true of tight end too, But I mean

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Speaker 2: So when I take a look at the tight ends group, Matt,

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Speaker 2: they're a tough grade. I lean more towards your line

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Speaker 2: because I don't think this group gets graded on a curve.

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Speaker 2: Because this group was supposed to be the strength of

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Speaker 2: we expected this group to take off. We expected this

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Speaker 3: Nearly is tight end centric.

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Speaker 2: Nearly is is tight end centric or tight end productive.

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Speaker 2: I think as we expected were now in hindsight, as

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Speaker 3: Like if everyone knows you're not starting any of these

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Speaker 3: I bet the Steelers had top five tight end receptions

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Speaker 2: He went from nine hundred yards nine touchdowns ninety receptions catches.

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Speaker 3: I mean, people get old quick in this league too.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he's doesn't have it anymore or you know whatever,

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Speaker 3: I adore him.

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Speaker 2: I know you, I know you.

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Speaker 3: I think he's in a he Actually we haven't had

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Speaker 3: this conversation. I think Friar move is going to be

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Speaker 3: the primary tight end going forward in a Jake Ferguson

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Speaker 2: Back on the drive here our number two, and we

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Speaker 2: continue to do our best impersonation of teachers and hand

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Speaker 2: out some report cards here. As we have stated earlier

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Speaker 3: They're an interesting conversation too, because I know this is

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Speaker 2: You're not high on him this time last.

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Speaker 2: He is not maybe the best football player in the

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Speaker 3: He was not in competition for Defensive MVP. That's where

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Speaker 2: No, that's fair that he he's yeah, one hundred percent,

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Speaker 3: And I'm much sold that he can't continue to be

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think he's going to get nineteen

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Speaker 3: Probably not. I don't think he'll win another Defensive MVP,

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I don't know he's on break

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes he is.

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Speaker 3: High Smith might be getting better quietly.

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Speaker 2: I think so. And thirteenth highest graded edge rusher by

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Speaker 3: I met Herbig's even higher on that list sixth.

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Speaker 3: It is but if maybe I'll do it someday in

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Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll do top at some point this summer.

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Speaker 3: Love it. But if I were to top twenty five

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Speaker 2: They had forty eight total. Ki Smith had nine and

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Speaker 3: That's twenty four and Sawyer of NY I got right.

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Speaker 2: Five totally because you would have thought TJ is gonna

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Speaker 3: judging it against all the other teams, not expectations or

437
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 3: any of that stuff. You know, Sawyer exceeded expectations what

438
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 3: fell Shorts like insanely high, the highest expectations going. But

439
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 3: in terms of edge defending rooms, who would you trade

440
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Speaker 3: it with? Right, Yeah, it's about it, you know, and

441
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 3: their third guys not nearly good.

442
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: I'm I'm with you, my like, I feel like the

443
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 2: knock only Jack Sawyer played all seventeen games, high Smith

444
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: played thirteen. High Smith played thirteen, her big paid fifteen.

445
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: TJ played fourteen.

446
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, durability is not the three of their best.

447
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,239
Speaker 2: So, like, I might lean more towards a minus than

448
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 2: A but it but it absolutely has to be. It

449
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: has to start with an A.

450
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 3: The grade for that group you convinced me. I think

451
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: just not being on the field is enough. To make

452
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 3: it a minus.

453
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's an A plus. No, I don't

454
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Speaker 2: think it's a B plus. But if you tell me

455
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Speaker 2: A or A minus, I think I think I think

456
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 2: either is fair. Yeah, I mean high Smith, Herbig, and

457
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: TJ all had double digit TFLs as well, which is.

458
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Speaker 3: Oh, and they created a lot.

459
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 2: Just Big high Smith with a forced fumble, her Big

460
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: with three forced fumbles, TJ with three forced fumbles.

461
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 3: That's a lot TJ.

462
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 2: TJ also had two interceptions, her Big had an interception.

463
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Speaker 2: So I mean all double digits and TFLs. Three interceptions

464
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Speaker 2: between those guys. Uh, seven forced fumbles between those.

465
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 3: Guys, occasional coverage snaps. You know, there are some edge

466
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Speaker 3: defenders that never go backwards, right, you know?

467
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Speaker 2: Right, I think an A or an A minus.

468
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Speaker 3: Is I think that's the call there is, right man.

469
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Speaker 2: It is crazy how they got stack contributions from everywhere

470
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: this year, everywhere, Betton five and a half, Cam three

471
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: and a half, Harmon three, Ramsey three, Peyton, Wilson two,

472
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: a bunch of people chipping in with one. Matt. I

473
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: do think we have time here if you want to

474
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Speaker 2: talk about these talk about these inside linebackers, This one.

475
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Speaker 3: To me.

476
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Speaker 2: Is interesting.

477
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because just on the surface, I don't know how

478
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Speaker 3: to grade Queen.

479
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: It's tough.

480
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Wilson for that man, because the other two

481
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Speaker 3: I find grading.

482
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Speaker 2: We all know Queen misses some tackles a lot, but

483
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Speaker 2: he but he misses tackle. Part of it, when you're

484
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Speaker 2: when you're looking at the full picture, is because he

485
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Speaker 2: gets to the ball so often.

486
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: He gets to some that others don't get to. We

487
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 3: had this Shazier conversation a million.

488
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: Years ago, exactly right, It's very similar. So does he

489
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: miss tackles, Yes, but he's in position to miss tackles

490
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: more often than most, if that makes sense.

491
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Speaker 3: If you're the shortstop that has crazy range, you might

492
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Speaker 3: have a few more airs. They might botch one off

493
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Speaker 3: the second glove that no one else gets to.

494
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Speaker 2: That's a great example. That's a great example. I think

495
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Speaker 2: I go be.

496
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say B minus C plus.

497
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Speaker 2: I think I would want. I think I wanted a

498
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Speaker 2: little more from Wilson and Queen than we got. But

499
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Speaker 2: I also don't think that either was terrible or no crazy,

500
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: underwhelming or anything like that. And B B minus I

501
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Speaker 2: think would be would be my answer.

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Speaker 3: I'm really hard on Harrison, almost to a Johnny Smith level.

503
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Speaker 3: You are, And I know he wasn't brought in here

504
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Speaker 3: to be an every down guy. He was built. He

505
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 3: was brought into play special team. He was brought in

506
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Speaker 3: to be a combination of a land In Roberts and

507
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Speaker 3: Matty Kavic, good special team er. That's a banger against

508
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: Derrek Henry. You know, basically that's your old team. And

509
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: for that matter, he was fine. But when he's out there,

510
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: he's the epitome of the other coordinators happy about it

511
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: because boy, he gets targeted when he's out there because

512
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: he's not a modern day linebacker and everyone knows it,

513
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: but you're not asking him to be all the time.

514
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: But he still played a lot more snaps than I

515
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: was comfortable with quick, which I think is a poor

516
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Speaker 3: reflection on Wilson too. I thought Wilson would be at

517
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Speaker 3: the point where, like, nobody's gonna knock him off the

518
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Speaker 3: field no matter what at this point, and he's an

519
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Speaker 3: easy We thought, yeah, yeah, And I'm not saying I

520
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Speaker 3: wouldn't extend him when the time comes, but I thought

521
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Speaker 3: he'd be an easy one. Took a huge step forward guy,

522
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Speaker 3: and he might have just taken a little step forwards.

523
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Speaker 3: That a huge step forward. Maybe he's almost an incomplete.

524
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Speaker 2: He's almost an incompletely. We saw him this year than

525
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Speaker 2: I thought we were. Yeah, uh, did.

526
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Speaker 3: He play even one hundred snaps? I mean, I bet

527
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Speaker 3: it's low.

528
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Speaker 2: I could look for you here real quick.

529
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Speaker 3: I got those guys stayed out healthy most of the

530
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Speaker 3: year and they didn't really need them.

531
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Speaker 2: I got it right in front of me, Hulk them

532
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 2: played one hundred and ninety eight snaps this year. But

533
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: that includes that's all, that's all in compa No, that's

534
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: defensive snaps only, not special. Okay, so that's even Still,

535
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Speaker 2: that's higher than I thought it would have.

536
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of games.

537
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Speaker 2: Or Queen played nearly twelve hundred.

538
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: You had to be near the top of the team.

539
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson seven sixty two, Malik Harrison three twenty. Let's see,

540
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: I can tell you Patrick Queen, Yes, uh, just barely

541
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Speaker 2: out out edge Jalen Ramsey for most snaps Jalen Ramsey

542
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Speaker 2: seventeen games. Man didn't miss a game, played well over

543
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Speaker 2: eleven hundred snaps. Yeah to that, So that was I

544
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Speaker 2: think I kind of started with a little more pessimistic

545
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: on the off ball linebackers. Two feathers in their cap

546
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: though Matt for both Queen and Wilson is one they

547
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Speaker 2: both played all seventeen games, and two. I forget what

548
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: my number two was, but one they both both played.

549
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: They both played all seventy the game. The edge guys

550
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Speaker 2: for that, I think, listen, that's there's a reason why

551
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: we say the best ability is availability and you can't

552
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: make the club and the tub and all those things. Oh,

553
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: I remember what the second one was. If we're doing

554
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: the in the scope of the league thing, Yeah, I

555
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: do think they're clearly above average. Like that is a

556
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Speaker 2: position group off ball linebacker right now, it's hurting in

557
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Speaker 2: the NFL. So it's kind of like what you said

558
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: with the tight ends, like how many groups would you

559
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: really trade for? Like, yeah, they're they're clearly they're clearly

560
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Speaker 2: in the top sixteen, Like they are above league average.

561
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Speaker 2: I think so, and and might even be in the

562
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Speaker 2: top ten of linebacker rooms. Yeah, because it's just it's

563
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Speaker 2: a position of need around the NFL.

564
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Speaker 3: But once again, they gave up a lot of yardage

565
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the field. They did a passing game,

566
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Speaker 3: they did and I this is like the worst of

567
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Speaker 3: the thirty two networks to have this conversation on because

568
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: you see people attack the middle of the field against

569
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Speaker 3: your defense, but your offense doesn't do it to the

570
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Speaker 3: opponent over the last couple of years, so it stands

571
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: out even more. But most teams, believe it or not,

572
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: Folks attack the middle of the field a lot, and

573
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: this isn't uncommon for linebacker rooms to give up a

574
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: lot of the artists in the middle of field in

575
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Speaker 3: today's NFL.

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Speaker 2: Not, you know, not many people have Fred Warner. No,

577
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: he's just stallions off a couple of these stallions off

578
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: ball linebackers.

579
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Speaker 3: And there's definitely a shortage of just future Hall of

580
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: Fame linebackers in the league right now. Like my whole lifetime,

581
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: there was Lambert and Singletary and it's a great call.

582
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only one, like Roklan Smith has had a

583
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: good career, but he's not.

584
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner's over the hill. But he's gonna go. But

585
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 3: he's like in the Keekley era, he's not in this era.

586
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: You know, agree, he's not playing Hall of Fame football

587
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: for five years.

588
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: Agree, Yeah, I mean from that era alone. Patrick Willis, Luke, Keigley,

589
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner are all going to be Hall of famers.

590
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: That's three at Erlacker.

591
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Speaker 3: And Lewis, and they were the big name dudes. They

592
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: made all the plays and easy hall of famers and

593
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: they were the face of the defense. Like, that's not

594
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: how it works now.

595
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: No, it is not unless you're Fred Warner, because that

596
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: dude is just an absolute freak. He is a freakazoid.

597
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: So that was fun. That's our position group report card

598
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Speaker 2: exercise for today. We will maybe wrap it up tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: We might have to take it into next week. We

600
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: still have just quarterbacks on offense. Oh and I guess

601
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: so we have quarterbacks, safeties and special teams left. We

602
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: can do that tomorrow probably whatever.

603
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not a hurry. We're not going nowhere.

604
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: We ain't going anywhere when we come back on the

605
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Speaker 2: other side, though, we will close this thing down with

606
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Speaker 2: some of your tweets over the last couple of days

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Speaker 2: to put a bow on the day's proceedings. Wes sh Uler,

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. It is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio.

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Speaker 1: Netw your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to

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Speaker 1: seven Home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 2: Radio final segment of this Thursday Here on the Drive,

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Speaker 2: Big Thursday, Matt Big Thursday.

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Speaker 3: What I've noticed in the off season, I don't know

615
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Speaker 3: what day it is because you know, like Thursday, I

616
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Speaker 3: did a night show at pursued A. Wednesday did the

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Speaker 3: show we talked about with Wolf and like, okay, I

618
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Speaker 3: got my way. Every day is different now. It's like

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Speaker 3: is it Wednesday or Thursday? Like I haven't adapted yet.

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Speaker 2: And you'll you'll laugh to like I get into building

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Speaker 2: my because obviously our content calendar, and by that I

622
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: mean the stuff that you and I do for a

623
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Speaker 2: living is much more manageable this time of year than

624
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Speaker 2: it is during the fall. During the fall, it's crazy,

625
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Speaker 2: and I literally like every night of the week is

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Speaker 2: planned out. Monday and Wednesday we record our WVU shows. Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: we're doing this, Thursday, we're doing this, you know, And

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Speaker 2: I know you have the same thing with your podcast

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Speaker 2: and your shows and all that. This time of year

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Speaker 2: it's always funny for me because I start to get into, like,

631
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Speaker 2: especially after the Super Bowls over, you'll let like I

632
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: build my schedule around like college basketball. You know what

633
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Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, when the Mountaineers play and things like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch pensanight, yeah yeah.

635
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: And Olympics starting today in Italy, so for the next yeah, next,

636
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: next couple of weeks. United States women's hockey team beat

637
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Speaker 2: the Checks five to one today.

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Speaker 3: I may try to tune in over a couple of

639
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Speaker 3: other things.

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Speaker 2: That's a great I love when the Olympics are in

641
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Speaker 2: a different time zone, especially one that's ahead of us,

642
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: like Italy and in Europe are because you wake up

643
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: and there's stuff going on, something, there's something, something, and

644
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Speaker 2: there's just I love anytime there's live sports on in

645
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Speaker 2: like the morning, in the early afternoon, just something to

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Speaker 2: throw on. I can only do so much air.

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Speaker 3: Who wins or you're casually watching.

648
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Speaker 2: Especially if it's something like downhill skiing that I think

649
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: is awesome but I watch once every four years.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure the SAME's true in your house too. Like

651
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Speaker 3: my wife always gets up before me, she turns on

652
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Speaker 3: the TV and it just like stays on all day,

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00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: probably the same channel. No one ever, everyone comes and goes.

654
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: I can only do the daily news talk shows or

655
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: the daily sports talk shows so much before before I'm like,

656
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: there's a sporting event on in Europe right now, Yes,

657
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: put it on Saturday.

658
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: When I wake up and come down and the TV

659
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: has been on Katie k or whatever all day, I'll

660
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: definitely put the Olympics. Putting the Olympics for eight hours. Yeah,

661
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: we sit down and watch something that night or whatever.

662
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: You know, Wait, can't wait? Excited for that NFL Awards tonight.

663
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: Who a whole bunch? I think a fun Thursday here

664
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: in the sports world certainly, and of course getting closer

665
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: and closer to the Super Bowl. All right, let's get

666
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: into some of these tweets before we get up out

667
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: of here today. This is an interesting one from frankie z.

668
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: A question about quarterback development in the NFL. How much

669
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: of it is directly related to the lack of snaps

670
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: and reps these guys get when they aren't the clear

671
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: cut number one walking into an organization. How much of

672
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: that on field stuff is combined with classroom film study stuff,

673
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: and why does it just seem like there's such a

674
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: league wide issue with developing quarterbacks.

675
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: There is a really good question, absolutely, and it's probably and.

676
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: Is there any way then our remedy that situation yeah,

677
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: we could probably we could. This is something in the

678
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: off season we could probably discuss for a whole hour.

679
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: I mean, in fantasy land, I've always made the joke

680
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: that if I was king of the world and I

681
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: would cure world hunger right after, I had an NFL

682
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: developmental minor league, you know, like, and that would be

683
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: great if you could send your goalie down to the

684
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: miners to learn and then bring them up, you know, like,

685
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: that would be great, But it doesn't exist. So the

686
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: Steelers are a perfect example though. And I know there's

687
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: probably a million questions about Will Howard I understand that,

688
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: but they drafted Howard to develop him in the preseason

689
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: and then sit in a quarterback room with two veterans,

690
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: one of them's the smartest, one of the smartest guys

691
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: ever and learn kind of through osmosis, and then when

692
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: he goes on the practice field, he runs a scout team.

693
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: And that's a good that's a good year. One. Well,

694
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: you were robbed of all the important preseason snaps, which

695
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: is critical in this conversation and is critical in the

696
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: whir and everybody counting on Will Howard because you didn't.

697
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: The plan didn't work because he got when the developmental

698
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: time on the field was robbed. Now he developed mentally

699
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: and whatnot. You know, he's he's further along now than

700
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: the day he drafted him. There's no question about that. Yeah,

701
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he's watching tape with Aaron Rodgers and understanding

702
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: game plans and how you know NFL work. But what

703
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: would shock people is even when Mahomes was a rookie

704
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: and Alex Smith was the starter, they weren't spending time

705
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: developing him during the season.

706
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: They've got a couple hours to practice and get ready

707
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: for the Denver Broncos.

708
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 3: The Bronco It's it. It's all the matters, right, And frankly,

709
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: I also think that coaches aren't as at least it

710
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: used to be. No better than me. But college coaches

711
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: were better teachers than NFL coaches. NFL coaches are better

712
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: schemers and preparing for the next week, you know.

713
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: And so often these guys now are jumping from system

714
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: to system year to year on a college basis, which

715
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: in some ways, like I remember, we talked about this

716
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: last year at the Combine with Omar Khan about his

717
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: thoughts on the portal era stuff and how these guys

718
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: are making money now coming into this process. They're playing

719
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: from multiple teams now, And he said, one of the

720
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: good things about it is like, look at someone like

721
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels. He played at Arizona State in a certain system,

722
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: and then he played at LSU in a certain system,

723
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: So it gives you more data points. From that standpoint,

724
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a good thing, but it also there's

725
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: not the same continuity and development that there has been

726
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: in the past.

727
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: That's interesting because you're going to have a scout go

728
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: in Arizona State, whether Daniels is there or not. Oh,

729
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: you better and I mean because they have other guys, right,

730
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: you know, someone's walking in that building every year, but

731
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 3: you might as well ask about Daniels.

732
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You get you can get the you know,

733
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: the the angles from from both ends of the you know,

734
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: the the spectrum.

735
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 3: You asked about bo Nicks, you know, and maybe they

736
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: didn't get along. Maybe they're saying great things or at

737
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: least you get their side of the.

738
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: Story and they're like, we love Jayden Daniels.

739
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: It's to miss him.

740
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: Oh, but he liked the LSU and you know, was

741
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: one of the heisman, Like how could we how can

742
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: we knock them for it?

743
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 3: But to take what you said a step further too,

744
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: In some ways it's good because I learned the system

745
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: at Arizona State and I was reasonably successful, and then

746
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: I go to LSU and learned that system quick and

747
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 3: was very, very successful. It implies that I can learn

748
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: the NFL system. Okay, I learned French pretty easily. Maybe

749
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: I can learn Spanish pretty easily next year, you know

750
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: what I mean? Oh we we you know. So it

751
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: shows that you're adaptable, you know, SI signor yeah, if

752
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: you were at the same school for six years, like

753
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 3: the old school guys used to be only a one system.

754
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if he can learn the new system,

755
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: you know.

756
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: So I do think there's certainly a lot of benefits

757
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 2: to it from Italian it talent evaluation standpoint. But they're

758
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: with with everything. There's there's two sides of the equation and.

759
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 3: The other thing now it's way more prominent than ever.

760
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: That makes all sense in the world is what these

761
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: guys do away from the facility, especially at the quarterback position.

762
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: You know, they all have quarterback coaches and.

763
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know if like the fifth round rookie

764
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: has a quarterback code. It should though, I mean because

765
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: it's expensive. I mean it's hundreds of grand a year

766
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: and they may not have it.

767
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: But all right, funny and we do this like you

768
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: you tell funny Dale stories and we love it still,

769
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: like I tell Funny Motes stories from the past. Motes

770
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: talks about when he got to the Steelers and Deebo

771
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: said to him, what do you spend on your body

772
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: every year? And Motes was like like one hundred grand,

773
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: you know, like something.

774
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 3: Like that, which sounds like a lot on my body.

775
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: And and and Debo's like you got to add a

776
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: zero to that number, like you got to pump that up.

777
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: And Motes is like, dude, I'm making a million bucks

778
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: a year. Like that's every for you to say you're

779
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: making twenty million a year. But he was like that

780
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: was one of the first things when I got there

781
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: was Debo's like, how much you invest on yourself? How

782
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: much you spend on your body every year? And Deebo's like,

783
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: you got to pump those numbers up. Away from the

784
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: phot was like, that's one hundred percent of my income,

785
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: Like I'm working for free. If I think I'm not

786
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: making debo Defensive Player of the Year money here, dude.

787
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: But that's you better in some capacity. You better be

788
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: getting some advantage, something extra somewhere.

789
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: And I've brought this up a thousand times, Like and

790
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: I scouted for the Browns. No one on the planet

791
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: thought you could go to the NFL and get more accurate.

792
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: No one, because there weren't the biomechanics and all that kind.

793
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 2: Of Josh Allen, Josh Allen is the poster boys.

794
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: Hurt Stack, I mean, Lamar, I mean a lot of

795
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: these guys have gotten much more accurate because it's body

796
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: mechanics and repeatable mechanics and things of that nature.

797
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: Jeff tweets us and says, what's one thing specifically, you know,

798
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: last year we had the conversation about getting that sack

799
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: number back up for the defense, improving the yards per

800
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: carry number for the offense. What's one thing you want

801
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: to see for the offense and the defense and dress

802
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: addressed and improved upon for this year? He says, for

803
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: the off for the defense, need to be better against

804
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: the pass in the middle of the field. For the offense,

805
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: need to get off the quicker starts and not playing

806
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: from behind. So often and maybe you know, force your

807
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: opponent to play from behind against your Steelers defense.

808
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: I'm a little rusty, but yeah, it's they got a

809
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: lot better at the beginning of games this year than

810
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 3: they were in previous years, right.

811
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: Just for the first half ish of the season. Yeah,

812
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 2: it kind of. There was a period where they did.

813
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: There was a period where they but then down the

814
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: stretch it was a lot of seven to six against

815
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: Buffalo at halftime and little lead over Green Bay, but

816
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: not the same.

817
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: I know they still don't score a lot of first

818
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 3: possession touchdowns. I mean over the course of the year,

819
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: they broke the streak finally, but the obvious one is

820
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: explosive to play the French and I know that's so

821
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: it's both sides, both sides. Yeah, Yeah, you can't beat

822
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 3: the WAMA League there. You're not gonna have a good record.

823
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's hard to pull out.

824
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: I would like to see the offense utilize their wide

825
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: receivers more. And I know that's a very generic and

826
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: very blanket, but I will.

827
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: Think you can already check that point.

828
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: I think you could check that box, like the wide

829
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: receiver production better skyrocket.

830
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: And the opposite of what he said, though, I want

831
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 3: to see them attack the middle of the field through

832
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: the air much more they did as the season went on.

833
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: By the way, Yes, the last month six weeks of

834
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: the season, Rogers through the middlefield a lot more than early.

835
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I that's one of those ones we have to

836
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: We'll have. We'll have some more concrete answers to that

837
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: by the time we see what the roster looks like

838
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: and we get the training camp and all those things.

839
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: But explosive play differential is right off the for both

840
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: both units. That's an easy one, right off the right,

841
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: off the top of the the.

842
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: Point of that tweet. Two. They have been for like

843
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: five years in a row. In terms of percentage of

844
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: passes against the Steelers defense, that percentage has been really

845
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: high in the middle of the field. Part of it

846
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: is because people don't want to hold the ball for

847
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: the Steelers pass rush right, yeah, right, right right, and

848
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: drive the ball outside the numbers.

849
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: Andre tweets us and says, hi, friends, you may have

850
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: talked about this, and I might have missed it, but

851
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: is there any chance you could see the Steelers trading

852
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: for Dak Prescott this off season? Or is next year's

853
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: starting quarterback Aaron Rodgers or from a different roster. I

854
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: want to see what Will Howard has And I'm still

855
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: on the fence about running it back with Aaron. The

856
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: Steelers aren't trading for Deck.

857
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: I would saying we could talk about the other stuff

858
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: We've talked about a lot, you know, quarterback option.

859
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 2: If you could tell me right now that Dak Prescott

860
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: is the Steelers starting quarterback Week one in September, sign

861
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: me up. Oh yeah, that's it's not.

862
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: I don't think Dallas has any interest in trading. I

863
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: think they've set up just judging Dallas from their moves

864
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 3: last year and the Parson's trade.

865
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: They're pushing some chips in here in twenty twenty secent.

866
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: They're trying to win in the second half of Dak's career.

867
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: But it's not the end.

868
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, this quarterback in the NFL.

869
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but he's not going nowhere.

870
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: No, I think so. Now, if if Dallas would have

871
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: completely fallen apart, there was a time, maybe earlier this season,

872
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: that you thought they could be blowing that whole thing up.

873
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, not anymore. No, I think they're going to try

874
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: to try to win. I may haven't tried to win,

875
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 3: but I think they think they can win.

876
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: I think you and I are in the same boat.

877
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: If we have to put a chip on the name,

878
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: if we have to bet on a pony, if we

879
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: have to bet on the horse that's going to be

880
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: out of the gate for the Steelers at starting quarterback

881
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: in September. I think it's Aaron Rodgers, but I'm not.

882
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: That's like I bet Vegas odds that's the shortest one, but.

883
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: I still don't like I would still say that those

884
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: odds aren't short the shortest one. But it's not short

885
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: odds because he needs.

886
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: Three things to happen. He need. First off, he needs

887
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: to play football. Second, you gotta want him back and

888
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: he's got to want to be back. And third you

889
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: have to come to the conclusion that that's your best

890
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: option too. It might be like I won't Willis.

891
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: Let's also not forget Aaron Rodgers at the end of

892
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: the season said I think there's one or two teams

893
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: that could want my services. So what if Air What

894
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: if Aaron Rodgers says I'm going to Minnesota.

895
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 4: See Yeah, So I still think that's the I still

896
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 4: think that's the favorite, but the odds for the field

897
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 4: are pretty large too.

898
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: They're higher than Rogers, yes.

899
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: Not by much.

900
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. Is he fifty fifty in your boat? Yes?

901
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: But man, I mean he's higher than any other name

902
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: for sure. Yes, but if bursts of field.

903
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: Although you know what, I think Mason Rudolph could be

904
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: pretty close for Week one starting quarterback. I don't think

905
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy would want to do that.

906
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that.

907
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: I don't either. But what if, Okay, so Aaron Rodgers retires.

908
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: I mean, if you take Simpson in the first round,

909
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: then I'm fine with Rudolph.

910
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: That's the situation, guy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, where you take

911
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 2: Tye Simpson in the first round, or you take Trinidad

912
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: Chamberlains in the second round, whatever, and it's it's not

913
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph all season, but it's Mason Rudolph week one.

914
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: Side note, I think today's day we feel find out

915
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: about Chambliss.

916
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 2: You might be right.

917
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: I think I remember being a Thursday, and I think

918
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: it's this year actually, So that's something we should bring

919
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: up tomorrow.

920
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: Let me see if I can find a quick quick

921
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: any whether.

922
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: He's a Steeler or not, you want him to be

923
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: in this draft.

924
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: According to Yahoo's Sports, Uh, Trinidad Chamberlass reportedly denied appeal

925
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: for six year of NCAA alegibility. Wow.

926
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: Again, you know this better than me. But the people

927
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: I listened to.

928
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: A denies eligibility appeal for old miss quarterback Trinidad Chamberless.

929
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 3: Wow. The people I listened to and trust thought Mississippi

930
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 3: thought he was definitely coming back, that he had a

931
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: really good caves.

932
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: I think it's uh draft. Everyone knows the NCAA. Ay,

933
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: they shoot this stuff in the dark. You know what

934
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: I mean? Because I think if if Diego Pavia got

935
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: his JUCO years waved, Trinidad chamberss should get his d

936
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: two years wave. But technically those are different.

937
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: It's not the same.

938
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: It's not the same, but it kind of his.

939
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 3: That's actually good news for Steelers, but.

940
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: It's absolutely for another quarterback into that.

941
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: Man, you don't need to throw another one in the

942
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 3: next year into that mix.

943
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: There definitely money, but that's that's a that's a converse.

944
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: We should at some point, maybe post combine, we should

945
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: do like a an odds list of Steelers starting quarterback

946
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: in Week one.

947
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: We may know by then. That's also true late to

948
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: do it. If Rogers returns.

949
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: Maybe we do it the week before the combine.

950
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess combines pretty soon. Maybe we

951
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: wouldn't know the combines like months away.

952
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: It's not real quick. I did just want to give

953
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: a shout out to Jared on Twitter, who tweeted us

954
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: a picture of two bottles of that stadium mustard that

955
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: you and I talked about.

956
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: Good stuff, said.

957
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 2: He said he ordered it and it got delayed because

958
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: of the weather, but he said, I'm glad I didn't

959
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: cancel the order. You guys know your food and condiments.

960
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: It was definitely worth the weight.

961
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: I'm big. I get yelled at because we have wigh

962
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: too much pickles and mustard in my fridge. Yeah, my

963
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: wife's like, can we get rid of something? You just

964
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: keep adding to it. But that's maybe number one on

965
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: the mustard list, Golden's or Stadium.

966
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: That's uh, that's what my wife says about, like barbecue rubs. Okay,

967
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: because you know, not this time of year, but every

968
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 2: other time of year. I'm big into the smoking meats.

969
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: There's a lot of I got. Our pantry is just

970
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: two dozen different This is for chicken, This is for port.

971
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: This is for seven, This is for steak, This is

972
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: for pulled pork.

973
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: This is a tang on to rule a lot of

974
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: my pickles away, because when we're hosting Christmas, there's no

975
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: rooms like these are ben here for three years. They

976
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: get it out of here.

977
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: Hey, good German, in you some pickles, some mustards, you

978
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: can't go wrong. Fun show today Tomorrow on the program,

979
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: it'll be Super Bowl Friday. Uh here. On the show,

980
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: we will dive into some matchups, into the quarterbacks, all

981
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: the different angles of the big Game, and we will

982
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: of course do another stirring rendition of our position group

983
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: report cards. We will do all of that and more

984
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: tomorrow and we will talk to you then. Big thanks

985
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: to Nate Dogg on the ones and twos and mister

986
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: TV on the video side of things, pumping up those

987
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: YouTube numbers. Take care, everybody. We will talk to you tomorrow.

988
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: You know where to find us. As always, it's on

989
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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