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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The so called worst case

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Speaker 1: of hazing in US history. You can judge that for yourself.

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Speaker 1: But a teen boy is left blind and unable to walk.

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Speaker 1: Why is this happening in our country? I was just

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Speaker 1: telling Jackie that we're actually talking about putting a space

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Speaker 1: college campuses. I'm Nancy Grace, this Iscribe Stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and series

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Speaker 1: Exam one eleven. Listen to this. Hundreds of students who

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Speaker 1: participated in that protest gathered right here last night. They

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Speaker 1: came together to protest the actions of Phi Gamma Delta.

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Speaker 1: Now the fraternity has also been suspended by its national

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Speaker 1: organization MU. Police in the Office of Student Accountability are

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Speaker 1: currently investigating to determine if any criminal statutes or university

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Speaker 1: regulations were violated. One MU student we spoke with was

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Speaker 1: also protesting the way the university has been trying to

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Speaker 1: prevent misconduct on campus. It's just ridiculous, like something needs

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Speaker 1: to change, and the things that they're doing to try

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Speaker 1: and change it is not working. Based on an initial investigation,

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Speaker 1: several fraternity members who are believed to have consumed quote

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Speaker 1: significant amounts of alcohol during a party at the fraternity.

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Speaker 1: Now MU says it plans to conduct an internal review

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Speaker 1: of its entire Greek system. The current status of the

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Speaker 1: hospitalized student is unknown. This isn't just drinking at a party.

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Speaker 1: This is being force said alcohol, an entire bottle of

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Speaker 1: that this teen boy was six times over the legal limit.

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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friends at Fox nine. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm here at the now abandoned five Gamut Delta fraternity

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Speaker 1: house and this is where it all happened that night

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Speaker 1: back in October. What happened that night left Danny Santouli

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Speaker 1: and lawyer are asking why prosecutors aren't charging active members

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Speaker 1: University of Missouri Police outlines the events of the night

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Speaker 1: Danny Santouli got alcohol poisoning from a five gamma delta

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Speaker 1: pledge event. This statement says active members taped a bottle

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Speaker 1: It also says security footage shows many of the events

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Speaker 1: as they happened inside the frat house. Now, if you're

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Speaker 1: not going to enforce the hazing laws in Missouri under

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Speaker 1: these circumstances, then you're never going to enforce them. You

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Speaker 1: know what I learned, and I'm not proud to say this.

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Speaker 1: When I first went to the District Attorney's office to

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years for two sessions, sent me with the

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Speaker 1: office lobbyist to push anti crime issues. I'm proud because

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Speaker 1: I got to help write the rape shell law. So

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Speaker 1: couldn't wait to get out of there. Can I tell

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Speaker 1: you why? Because the Assembly was made up largely of

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Speaker 1: Defense Attorney's no offense to defense attorneys, but you expect

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Speaker 1: them to pass laws that would hurt their clients. That's

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Speaker 1: not going to happen. Same thing here. Why have the

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Speaker 1: and you're not going to use them now. Earlier you

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Speaker 1: were hearing from our friends Sarah Moyers at KOMU eight.

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Speaker 1: now to Hannah Flood Fox nine. The injury sustained by

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Speaker 1: Danny Samtoli is the worst hazing injury that I've ever

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Speaker 1: the last four years. Now, this lawsuit alleges the fraternity

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Speaker 1: and some of its members are responsible for Danny's injuries,

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Speaker 1: every parent's dream, and so many others. Before I go

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Speaker 1: to David Bianci joining us build as America's leading hazing lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Jim Piazza, father of Timothy Piazza. You know, even when

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Speaker 1: because Jim is the father of Timothy, who lost his

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Speaker 1: Hazing it's called push push Jim, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking. I just can't imagine what that family is

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Speaker 1: Timothy before I even get to Danny Sintouli, what happened

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Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. I know what you are doing, Jim,

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Speaker 1: But it's not stopping. We keep saying it's got to stop.

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Speaker 1: What happened is something that should have never happened in

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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Mark Slavitt, and no offense

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. Okay, parties don't get out

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Speaker 1: because if it is, they should have been there. What happened?

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Speaker 1: joining us from KRCGTV thirteen. I mean David Bianci build

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Speaker 1: When Mark Slavitt correctly reports the party was out of control,

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Speaker 1: They just completely ignored the sanctions that were in place.

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Speaker 1: see Danny start to wobble and then he collapses. You

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Speaker 1: see him fall backwards over a piece of furniture and

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Speaker 1: onto the ground. They then pick him up, they carry

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Speaker 1: him into the house and they put him in a

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Speaker 1: TV room where they have couches, and a couple of

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00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: guys bring him in and they PLoP them down on

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Speaker 1: the couch and he's still alive. He's moving around, but

433
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: you can tell he's in distress. And then some more

434
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: people come in later in the evening. There are four

435
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: pledges totally collapsed on couches in that room. It's like

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Speaker 1: a holding cell for people who are near dead. And

437
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: then they abandoned him, and we know exactly when that

438
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: happened because the surveillance video is timestamped. So now Danny

439
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: has totally left alone. He's now flat on the couch.

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00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: He slides off the couch with his face planted on

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Speaker 1: the floor and his feet on the couch, and he's

442
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: not moving at all. Somebody comes walking through the room,

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Speaker 1: sees him, picks him up, froze him back on the couch,

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00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: and they don't do anything else. And then later somebody

445
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: else comes in and they see that he's unresponsive on

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Speaker 1: the couch and they think, oh my god, maybe he's dead,

447
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: and they go to pick him up, and he's having

448
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: a hard time picking Danny up, so they get some

449
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: big guy to pick him up and they scoop him

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Speaker 1: up off the couch and they're not going to call

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Speaker 1: nine one, but they have another fat member, one of

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Speaker 1: the officers, who has a car and says, I'll drive

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Speaker 1: him to the hospital. So they take him down the

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Speaker 1: hallway to the exit door, all on video, and they're

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Speaker 1: holding him upside down, if you can picture such a thing.

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Speaker 1: And as they're getting to the exit door, they drop

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Speaker 1: him on his head and then they have to get

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Speaker 1: him back up again and they carry him outside, put

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Speaker 1: him in the car. He's now technically dead. They get

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Speaker 1: him over to the hospital to the ar somebody comes

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Speaker 1: running out from the ear. They do CPR and there

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Speaker 1: Westart his heart. What do you mean he was technically dead? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't heart people. Doctor Michelle Dupree, explain to me what

464
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: happened to Danny's system, his body. Nancy, this is it's

465
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Speaker 1: just atrocious. I can't think of another word to describe this.

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Speaker 1: But alcohol is a CNS depressant, so it depresses your

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00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: whole central nervous system. Your breathing is decreased, and we

468
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: talked about the lack of oxygen. Your temperatures goes down,

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00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: you certainly lose consciousness. Things that can happen when you're

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Speaker 1: in that state, you can have seizures, you can vomit,

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Speaker 1: and you can aspirate. You need to be in a

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Speaker 1: position where if you do vomit, you're not going to

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00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: swallow that or inhale that, and that goes into your lungs.

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Speaker 1: Alcohol has absorbed very quickly into the body. It's the

475
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Speaker 1: removal of alcohol is much slower. And so while this

476
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: is going on, your gag reflex is actually inhibited, which

477
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Speaker 1: means that it doesn't work properly, and you begin to

478
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Speaker 1: have respiratory distress, which I think was evidenced by the

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Speaker 1: account that we just heard, not putting him in the

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Speaker 1: proper position, not getting him medical care you know, when

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Speaker 1: he needed it, when he's in such distress. Now all

482
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Speaker 1: this is just it's unforgettable. Trying to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what you just said with me is a renowned pathologist,

484
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Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree. So when we hear alcohol poisoning, is

485
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Speaker 1: your system actually poisoned or is it that you your

486
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Speaker 1: central nervous system is so depressed that you don't breathe,

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00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: you lose your gag reflex, the air doesn't get oxygen

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00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: doesn't get to your body, or lips turn blue and

489
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: you die. Which are you actually poisoned or do you

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Speaker 1: just have such a depressed like an for Dosa pills

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Speaker 1: your body just quits working well. Essentially, it is the

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Speaker 1: same thing. It is toxic, It is detrimental, It is

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Speaker 1: harmful to the body. It is a poison when you

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Speaker 1: have too much of it. And because you are poisoned,

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00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: all of those things happen to the body, that extraordinary

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Speaker 1: depression of the respiratory system and all of that that follows.

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Speaker 1: So yes, it is toxic. It is poisoned to the body.

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Speaker 1: In that large amount crime stories with Nancy Grace, the

499
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: condition of Danny Sintulo is so distressing, permanent brain damage.

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Speaker 1: He can't see. Why is that data debris? Why can't

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00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: he see? And he again he can't see because the

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00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: blood is not getting to his eyes. Was opsing nerve

503
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: again through that central nervous system depression that can cause blindness,

504
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: as if when you have a stroke. It's the same

505
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: kind of effect. Guys, take a listen to our cut five.

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Speaker 1: Samantha Jones Kamov, Danny Zantouli's family lawyer, says he had

507
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Speaker 1: a bright future. He was a wonderful young man, it's

508
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: a future that was almost cut short. For some reason,

509
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: these things always seem to happen to the best kids,

510
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: and I don't understand why. The freshly filed fifty two

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Speaker 1: page lawsuit details the night last October when Danny, a

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Speaker 1: pledge of the Phi Gamma Delta fraternity at the University

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Speaker 1: of Missouri, was allegedly told to drink an entire bottle

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00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: of vodka during an event. Hours later, fraternity members took

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Speaker 1: him to the hospital, where he was resuscitated and placed

516
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: on a ventilator unconscious. His blood alcohol level nearly six

517
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: times the legal limit. He needs twenty four hour care.

518
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: He can never be left alone. And that's the kind

519
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: of care he's getting right now. He's going to need

520
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: rebilitation care forever. Rehabilitation care forever, twenty four hour care.

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Speaker 1: He can never be left alone. David Bianchi, what do

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00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: you mean by that, Well, he's absolutely incapable of doing

523
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Speaker 1: anything for himself. So somebody has to be there to

524
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: make sure that he doesn't aspirate while he's in the bed.

525
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: He's got to be cleaned multiple times a day. He

526
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: has to be fed, he has to be groomed. As

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00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: they try to stimulate him in various ways. They try

528
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: to massage him. He's got to make sure that he

529
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: doesn't get bed sores. He has to be rolled over

530
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Speaker 1: to whose skin can be checked. This is a full

531
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Speaker 1: time job, twenty four hours a day, and missus Santoulli

532
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: has decided to devote herself to this, and she quit

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00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: her job as an executive with a bank so that

534
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: she can personally do it. Because while they now have

535
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: the funds to hire whoever they need to hire, she

536
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: thinks that this should be done by her, along with

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00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: the help of the family. And that's what she's going

538
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: to do. As you just heard from Jim Piazza, the

539
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: father of Timothy Piazza, who lost his life in a

540
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: hazing incident. That's what it's called. It's certainly not the

541
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: first time. And without charging these guys with a crime

542
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: and banning their fraternity from campus forever permanently, I don't

543
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: see how anything is going to change. Jim, Well, I

544
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: think a way it's going to change is if law

545
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: enforcement really does its job. So people need to be charged.

546
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: The judges need to let those charges stick. It needs

547
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: to get in front of the jury. The juries need

548
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: to do those jobs. Their jobs, and then the judges

549
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: need to properly sentence when these people are found. I

550
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: agree with the comment earlier this term hazing is kind

551
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: of it's a very elane term. I believe in Missouri

552
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: has a pretty strong hazing law, and it's a felony.

553
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: As somebody is seriously injured. Why isn't that being charged.

554
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: Why isn't that felony being charged? What about it? David Biancy?

555
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: Why not? Oh, that's the best question of the whole

556
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: program here. I agree without one hundred percent. We have

557
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: been asking repeatedly for the prosecutor to file these hazing charges.

558
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: It's such an obvious hazing case. It should have been

559
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: done many, many months ago. It is mystifying as to

560
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: why they're refusing to enforce the law. If you're a

561
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: prosecutor and you refuse to enforce the law, you shouldn't

562
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: be a prosecutor. That law is on the books, and

563
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: somebody needs to dig into what's going on behind the

564
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: scenes as to why they were refusing to enforce this law. David,

565
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: there's a new twist here in Columbia with the prosecutor too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard. Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar

567
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: with that, right, I'm not telling me. Well, Saturday morning,

568
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: police found our prosecutor dead in his house with a

569
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Speaker 1: gunshot wound, and the way they would not say it

570
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: was a suicide. They said it was there is no

571
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: foul playing involved. And so now our prosecutor has died

572
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: and we have an interim prosecutor appointed now and they

573
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: performed him an autopsy on the prosecutor Tuesday, and they

574
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: is still not confirmed whether it was a suicide or not.

575
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: But the police chief told me he said he believes

576
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: no one else was involved. So the prosecutor that was

577
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: handling Danny Santouli's case is no longer with. What does

578
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: that mean for the case? David Bianchi? It should not

579
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: mean anything because there's already been someone appointed to take

580
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: his place, and there are other prosecutors in the office.

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00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: There are assistant district attorneys exactly. Guys, Again, this is

582
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: not the first time that this has happened. Take a

583
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: listen to our cut thirteen. Does the name stone faults

584
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: ring about? Because I will never forget the name. The

585
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: one that we know is nonresponsive ajink alcohol, a lot

586
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: of alcohol. So where is he at um? Where how

587
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: old is your friend. Uh, he's twenty twenty okay, And

588
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: what's he doing right now? Um? He's laying down on

589
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: his side and his ears are his face is really purple,

590
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: and his people aren't responsive. Okay. Is he breathing? Yeah,

591
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: he's breathing, but j really shallow and he's been drinking,

592
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, okay. Is he taking anything else we

593
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: need to know about? No? What's your name? Okay? Can pata? Okay?

594
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: Are you positive he's breathing? Um? Yeah, yeah, I'm pally

595
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: his chest rising up and down. No, don't right now?

596
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: What happened to Stone Vaults? Take a listen Our cut

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Speaker 1: fourteen Our Friends at NBC four. According to the families

598
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: a turn Rex Elliott. At nine o'clock that night, Stone

599
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: was blindfolded, put in a basement, and told to drink

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00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: a bottle of alcohol before he could leave. By ten thirty,

601
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: members of the fraternity dropped him off at his apartment,

602
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: leaving him unresponsive and alone. Those brothers that said they

603
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: were going to be there with Stone who were not,

604
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Speaker 1: so he was left alone after he began turning blue,

605
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Speaker 1: much the same as the case with Danny Sintuli that

606
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Speaker 1: we're covering right now, and take a listen to our

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00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: cut seventeen, Dan Harris, ABC News the horror that played

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Speaker 1: out inside a frat house at Penn State University as

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Speaker 1: a nineteen year old lay dying after a night of

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Speaker 1: alcohol fueled hazing. The fraternity brothers allegedly did little to help. Instead,

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Speaker 1: their concern was reportedly how to cover it all up.

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Speaker 1: Tonight we hear from the one student who says he

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Speaker 1: tried to help that actually lost it. I was like,

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00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: I was screaming and yelling. I was saying, we need

615
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: to even to the hospital. We should call an ambulance.

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Speaker 1: Style nine. One one one those plays fell on deaf ears.

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Speaker 1: Another young man died and with us today is his father,

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Speaker 1: Jim Piazza. Jim, how are we going to make a

619
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: difference again? I think we need law enforcement to step up.

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Speaker 1: Enforcement needs to understand what this is and that the

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Speaker 1: hazing laws we're trying to strengthen across the country. But

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Speaker 1: if they don't, if they don't get enforced, and the

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Speaker 1: sentences aren't aren't proper, it's the message is just not

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Speaker 1: Harrison students, what about it? Susan Lukins, doctor Lukins joining US,

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Speaker 1: author of Preventing Hazing you know, the beat goes on

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00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: and this just continues over and over. I don't think

627
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: that it's going to be responded to by just changing laws,

628
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: because even if the laws are enforced, the kids don't learn.

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Speaker 1: They always think it's not going to be met. I

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00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: believe that hazing is going to change when the kids

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Speaker 1: themselves say we're not going to do this anymore. We're

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Speaker 1: just not going to participate in. How do we get

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Speaker 1: to that? To Monique, you've investigated similar cases. How do

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Speaker 1: we get to the point where I wouldn't call them kids,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're eighteen through twenty two years old, other

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Speaker 1: than prosecuting them criminally. Well, I agree. I mean maybe,

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Speaker 1: first of all, get rid of the word hazing, call

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Speaker 1: it what it is. Charge these people, any of these

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Speaker 1: this outside of the fraternity. Chances are most of these

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Speaker 1: crimes they would charge them criminally, but because they're in

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Speaker 1: a fraternity, it's categorized differently. I guess, Mark Slavitt, what

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Speaker 1: about it? Is there any move to move to go

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Speaker 1: forward with criminal charges in this case? You sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's up to Like what we're saying earlier, it's up

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Speaker 1: to the prosecutor. I know it's up to the prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: We know it's up to the prosecutor. Right, have they

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Speaker 1: done anything? Have they called a grand jury? Have they

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Speaker 1: level to charge and they've done anything? Are they investigating

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Speaker 1: it as a crime. They've done it with one person

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Speaker 1: so far, and that's all and it looks like that's

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Speaker 1: all they're going to do. Well. There's also another person

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Speaker 1: named Samuel Gandhi who chose not to help Santuli. That's

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Speaker 1: added to David Bianki's list of defendants. He had twenty

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Speaker 1: three originally settled with those that the two other ones

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Speaker 1: are Wetsler and Gandhi, and Gandhi has not been charged

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Speaker 1: by the prosecutor's office. Season what about a David Bianki

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Speaker 1: Because a money settlement is not gonna work. That's gonna

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Speaker 1: be paid up by some insurance company or the mom

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Speaker 1: and dad will fit the bill I'm talking about. How

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Speaker 1: do we stop this from happening? Final thoughts. We have

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Speaker 1: to aggressively pursue criminal charges to put these guys in jail.

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Speaker 1: In the Andrew Coffee case, we had a wonderful prosecutor

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Speaker 1: in Tallahassee, and within sixty days of Andrew's death, criminal

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Speaker 1: that because nothing else works. Can I add something, Jeff Hannes,

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Speaker 1: couldn't this be categrais is premeditated? I mean they keep

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Speaker 1: visa bottles to their hands. Absolutely, We just need a

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Speaker 1: prosecutor with the backbone to do it, to have a

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Speaker 1: serious felony charge and then don't settle it for a

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Speaker 1: cheap plea, go forward and take it to a jury.

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Speaker 1: Timothy Piazza is dead. So many others are dead, beautiful

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Speaker 1: young college students with their life in front of them,

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Speaker 1: their parents devastated. But yet we are not seeing the

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Speaker 1: action necessary to stop this crime. Now as we all

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Speaker 1: go about our days. Danny Sentulli, a teen boy is

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Speaker 1: brain damaged, and these twenty or seven care. What is

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Speaker 1: the district attorney going to do about it? Nancy Grace

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