Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bats and iHeartRadio podcast
Speaker 1: What's going on Everybody? I'mrew Liche, a member of ninety
Speaker 1: eight degrees, the Season two Dancing with the Stars Champion.
Speaker 1: It was only eighteen years ago, and I've done a
Speaker 1: couple of Broadway shows. I have, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: been on reality TV a little bit. And today I'm
Speaker 1: hosting Frosted Tips, and I thought it would be only
Speaker 1: appropriate if I interviewed the person who, back in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety six was responsible for giving me my first Frosted Tips. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She This is my beautiful wife, Leah Lasha.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jill, thank you so much. Thank you. So.
Speaker 1: How you doing today?
Speaker 2: I'm great.
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing great. I'm great. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask you a couple of questions.
Speaker 2: I'm slightly terrified.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason I wanted to interview you today is
Speaker 1: because there are certain times as married couples where you,
Speaker 1: I'll say we, but married couples in general might not
Speaker 1: necessarily be as open and honest with each other as
Speaker 1: they possibly could be, and not necessarily in a negative way,
Speaker 1: just more of a you know, maybe not give compliments
Speaker 1: when compliments might be deserved or might not be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, that really does get on my nerves, you know,
Speaker 1: you know those kind of things. So I thought I
Speaker 1: might be able to take this opportunity to get you
Speaker 1: on the record talking about how awesome I am.
Speaker 2: So this is why I'm here.
Speaker 1: That is the only reason is to feed my ego
Speaker 1: and make me feel great about myself.
Speaker 2: You're not friend, I will be completely honest.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you will be. So let's just not daily diet.
Speaker 1: Let's just jump jump right into it. So what is
Speaker 1: it that you remember about our meeting? How do you
Speaker 1: how do you remember our meeting?
Speaker 2: Like us? Yes? Like who else?
Speaker 1: What do you remember about me and Lance's meeting? You
Speaker 1: weren't there?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Me? Okay, well we were we were really young. I
Speaker 2: mean so the first time I met you, I was
Speaker 2: I was ten. We were ten? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What grade?
Speaker 2: Fifth grade?
Speaker 1: Fifth grade?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Fifth grade?
Speaker 2: Where I mean the the biggest visual that I have
Speaker 2: is English class or that might have been seventh grade.
Speaker 2: I can't I don't remember. I do know that what
Speaker 2: Drew may want some people to know he was a
Speaker 2: new Kids on the Black fan and would which I
Speaker 2: was to listen? That was my first concert. But he
Speaker 2: was a skateboarder, and he would skate in his driveway
Speaker 2: listening hang in talk.
Speaker 1: No, you weren't even that barely. You are telling a
Speaker 1: story that Nick told me.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I remember, I remember you skateboarding. I
Speaker 2: remember you like running down the hallway with like, you know,
Speaker 2: your backpack on one.
Speaker 1: Shoulder, very dashingly handsome.
Speaker 2: Dashingly handsome. I mean like I have like bits and
Speaker 2: pieces like memories from you know, ten eleven, twelve. But
Speaker 2: then I think, I mean, I remember when we first
Speaker 2: started dating, which was we were juniors in high school.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'll lead you a little bit.
Speaker 2: Oh please lead me.
Speaker 1: I'll try and do it subtly.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: When when was the first time that we went out?
Speaker 1: So terrified? But do you not remember?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I'm saying, is like junior in
Speaker 2: high school.
Speaker 1: No, the first time we went out.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, are you're talking about when I dumped you?
Speaker 1: No, that was time we went out. The first time
Speaker 1: we went out. I was in the sixth grade. Okay, jeez,
Speaker 1: clearly not enough. So we were in the sixth grade,
Speaker 1: and we were we were both part of the Cincinnai
Speaker 1: Ballet Nutcracker, right.
Speaker 2: And then I and then I broke up with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was more like so she was going
Speaker 1: out on the road to be a part of a
Speaker 1: touring production of a theater show, and she left town
Speaker 1: in the sixth grade, and so it was it was
Speaker 1: more like, you know what, I can't do a long
Speaker 1: distance relationship. You know, I think it is his best
Speaker 1: if we take a break. That that wasn't really like
Speaker 1: a dump. That was really like a breakup. That was
Speaker 1: more just like, you know, I'm gonna be gone for Yeah,
Speaker 1: you spread your wings, all spread mine and we'll see.
Speaker 1: You know, if you love something, let it go and
Speaker 1: if it returns to you. It was meant to be
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So then that was the sixth grade.
Speaker 1: Seventh grade, I banged up my knee and I was
Speaker 1: on I was on crutches, and we had an in
Speaker 1: school performance at the symphony. Like we were going to
Speaker 1: go see the symphony, and I mean, you remember every
Speaker 1: detail I do. And we were going to the symphony.
Speaker 1: And before we went to the symphony, I said, hey, Leah,
Speaker 1: you want to go out with me? She said, sure,
Speaker 1: left you that'd be great. You're dationally handsome. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: I want to go out to you? Yes, And then
Speaker 1: when we came back from the symphony back to school
Speaker 1: two hours later, she told me that she didn't want
Speaker 1: to go out with me anymore. And she just told me. So,
Speaker 1: do you remember that? Yes, So that was where the
Speaker 1: first two times we went out. Then the third time
Speaker 1: we went out after you know, like.
Speaker 2: I don't remember the third die.
Speaker 1: The third time we went out was wed juniors. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I do remember that. Yeah, so if she remembers that one,
Speaker 1: that's well, because that we were together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, as the story goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, then from junior year on, we've
Speaker 1: been on many many journeys together and you know, seeing
Speaker 1: the world, and I had two beautiful children, and you know,
Speaker 1: now they're grown up and you're just gonna be stuck
Speaker 1: with me all over.
Speaker 2: I like being stuck with the act, just the two
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: All right. So so we started dating as juniors in
Speaker 1: high school. You started, you know, you went to college.
Speaker 1: You quit college because you got hired, yes, as a
Speaker 1: dancer by the Radio City Rockets.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: At that point, do you remember what I was doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were working on an ambulance in New York
Speaker 2: gold Stars.
Speaker 1: She remembers that she doesn't remember us going out, but
Speaker 1: she remembers she remembers my job. All right, So when
Speaker 1: once you started working for Radio City, and then I
Speaker 1: started with driving the ambulance and I got the beep
Speaker 1: on my beeper from Nick. He was in LA. I
Speaker 1: was driving ambulance to New York. He beat me, and
Speaker 1: I pulled the ambulance over. I went to a payper
Speaker 1: and called him back and he said, hey, we're starting
Speaker 1: this group. I want to join, And I said yes,
Speaker 1: and I left New York where you were as well.
Speaker 1: What what was that thought process like for you?
Speaker 2: Like, I mean I think I've always been a big dreamer,
Speaker 2: you know that. So for me at that age nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, I mean, the world is at your fingertips,
Speaker 2: So what an amazing opportunity. I mean I don't even
Speaker 2: I don't even think the thought and it shouldn't really
Speaker 2: when you're young, like that like cross your mind of
Speaker 2: like oh man, this is a big jump, Like what
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work, I say, go all in. So
Speaker 2: I was thrilled. I was excited for you. I mean
Speaker 2: I was I was clearly sad that we weren't going
Speaker 2: to be this is what he wants. I was trying
Speaker 2: every night. No, I was. Of course I was sad,
Speaker 2: and we were long distance for years.
Speaker 1: But how sad?
Speaker 2: So sad? Just one so so so so so.
Speaker 1: Sad, so sad.
Speaker 2: No, of course it's hard. And then we kind of
Speaker 2: bounced from like coast to coast and I'd be working
Speaker 2: in LA and you were in New York, and then
Speaker 2: vice versa, and then you guys, we were in Asia all
Speaker 2: the time. I feel like, so that was you know,
Speaker 2: that was a little crazy. But then we got married
Speaker 2: really young, like now I will get that, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe we I mean we were twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes, we were twenty four, but we had
Speaker 1: already been together for eight years absolutely, so yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So when I moved out to LA and I started,
Speaker 1: you know, singing before we even got signed, did you
Speaker 1: have any idea of kind of what you were like
Speaker 1: signing up for? Like now, no, I does anybody? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I had no idea what I was signing
Speaker 1: up for.
Speaker 2: So no, and I and I say this all the time,
Speaker 2: like the world was the pop world. You know, boy
Speaker 2: band and pop groups and all of that. I mean
Speaker 2: it was. It was a wildly fun time and crazy.
Speaker 2: But I can't imagine, like I always think, like we
Speaker 2: didn't have social media, we didn't have that added stress.
Speaker 2: So I just remember the time being fun. But you know,
Speaker 2: did I like being on our honeymoon remember that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And we had to come back like what like two
Speaker 2: days early from our honeymoon. Yeah, because the guys had
Speaker 2: a video that they needed to shoot. So I think
Speaker 2: that it's, you know, it's a little give and take
Speaker 2: when you're in the business. I mean, I think once
Speaker 2: you get older, you can kind of, you know, be like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna set some boundaries. Now. Obviously when we started
Speaker 2: having kids, there were a lot more boundaries that we set.
Speaker 2: But when you're young, you're kind of like you're jumping
Speaker 2: at any opportunity, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So once once things started happening, like once we
Speaker 1: got signed, once single started coming out, once you know,
Speaker 1: people started adoring you. Adoring might be an understatement loving.
Speaker 2: I mean with the fact tat with the one year out,
Speaker 2: remember that.
Speaker 1: It's so cute, that's how it works. Still got it, folks. No,
Speaker 1: I mean like once once things start blowing up for us,
Speaker 1: and and how did how did that affect.
Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, as a as a young girl,
Speaker 2: it was hard. I mean it was hard. I'd be
Speaker 2: lying if I said it wasn't hard. I mean, I
Speaker 2: even though I mean it's crazy to see that. Like,
Speaker 2: I think we had a really good relationship, like in
Speaker 2: those early stages, which I think again about all of
Speaker 2: the things that were added onto our plate where the
Speaker 2: relationship could have just crumbled right the long distance, the
Speaker 2: the fans, the girls, all of that. But I mean
Speaker 2: I had some nasty things said to me, and I
Speaker 2: think sometimes, you know, in those early stages, I apologize
Speaker 2: for those things. I'm just kidding, no, But I mean
Speaker 2: I also think, like me, No, I think that the
Speaker 2: guys I mean ninety eight obviously is family, and so
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I always felt safe in
Speaker 2: that bubble. But yeah, you have to you have to
Speaker 2: have thick skin. I hate that term, but you do.
Speaker 1: I mean you do.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: brush stuff off.
Speaker 1: But you have great skin.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You were dancing, you were performing, you were living your dream,
Speaker 1: and you were dancing for music videos and rockets and
Speaker 1: radio sitting and all that stuff, and I was doing
Speaker 1: my my very you know, sophisticated boy band dancing.
Speaker 2: It's sophisticated because I choreographed it.
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, So if you could put if you
Speaker 1: could put your one of your other dance numbers from
Speaker 1: your career on me and set it and set it
Speaker 1: on me? Who are you laughing? Which one? Would it be?
Speaker 2: Like? Anything?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, so definitely I would put you in a pair
Speaker 2: of Laduca heels three inch I can do, and I
Speaker 2: would have you do. I mean, name a combo that
Speaker 2: that we do here at the studio. I would have
Speaker 2: you do that.
Speaker 1: But oh, you have me to do one of these,
Speaker 1: not even like back like I thought you were going
Speaker 1: to throw it like.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I would have to do something now like
Speaker 2: really current, throw yourself around on the floor, roll around,
Speaker 2: kick your legs all that, because that would be we
Speaker 2: should do that anyway, because that would be good. I
Speaker 2: just want to see what it looks like. But I
Speaker 2: also think if you're if you're talking back in the day,
Speaker 2: I would put you one hundred percent in a Rockuet
Speaker 2: kick line all right.
Speaker 1: For the record, my leg would not go very high
Speaker 1: you would you would be on the end. I fully,
Speaker 1: fully yes, because the short so it's especially the same
Speaker 1: because I'm short, i'd.
Speaker 2: Be on the end.
Speaker 1: I mean i'm too, but I will say that because
Speaker 1: of my army experience, I can hold I can hold
Speaker 1: a formation. I can I can if I can do
Speaker 1: it in combat boots, I can do it in eels.
Speaker 2: Come on, I feel like we're going to need to
Speaker 2: try this, Okay, Okay, Well, that would be the challenge
Speaker 2: I would have, because I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't understand how incredibly difficult it is to work in
Speaker 2: that line like that.
Speaker 1: It's hard on shoulder to shoulder. I got this, gotta
Speaker 1: use your peripher roll legs ninety oh, then higher, and
Speaker 1: I know what that foot would look like. It would
Speaker 1: probably be sickle turn it. It's okay, it would work out. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now there's some people that will kind of say, all right,
Speaker 1: you guys have had kind of like this this storybook,
Speaker 1: you know, romance, and my response that would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's married to me. Of course it's been fantastic for her.
Speaker 1: I mean people might even say it's like a movie,
Speaker 1: like made for like movies, you know, the high school
Speaker 1: sweetheart stuff, the boy that did good.
Speaker 2: The boy that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. All right, So if they
Speaker 1: made a movie about us, who do you think would
Speaker 1: play you? And in return? And in return, but even
Speaker 1: more importantly, which dashing leading man would play me?
Speaker 2: And it's like our life story.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can pick an era, you know.
Speaker 2: The Okay, Well, I mean I don't know. I honestly
Speaker 2: never really thought thought about this, but I'm I'm kind
Speaker 2: of I'm I'm obsessed with Pink, you know that, So
Speaker 2: I can only hope that I'm as much of a
Speaker 2: badass as she is. I also love Lady Gaga, so
Speaker 2: that would be like right in there. So Pink, Lady Gaga,
Speaker 2: if you want to play me, that'd be fantastic. You.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Who would you have play you?
Speaker 2: I want to hear, actually kind of want to hear
Speaker 2: what you think?
Speaker 1: He'll be good?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So if mm hmm for somebody to play you, I
Speaker 1: would say, like, like like a Rachel mcaddam's kind of
Speaker 1: but like I think that's like, okay, I think that
Speaker 1: would be a good fit. So after we were married
Speaker 1: for a while and we were living in La We
Speaker 1: lived in La for how long we started having a
Speaker 1: family and you know, Dance with the Stars. It happened,
Speaker 1: and you know, I had already done Brent, and we
Speaker 1: were like, all right, where's our where where's our life? Like,
Speaker 1: what's our life? And we decided we were going to
Speaker 1: move back here to Cincinnati, big back home. What do
Speaker 1: you think was the main reason for you.
Speaker 2: To makeamily being part of a community, like I love
Speaker 2: our I love our community here, And I think that
Speaker 2: that was probably not that we didn't like have our
Speaker 2: tribe of people from the industry that that we adore
Speaker 2: and still miss, you know, not living close to But
Speaker 2: I think I was pregnant with Hudson and Izzy was
Speaker 2: three and a half and so so and who is
Speaker 2: Izzy our oldest daughter who is now yeah, in in college.
Speaker 2: And then wis Hudson our son, our beloved son, who
Speaker 2: was fourteen, our freshman in high school, freshman in high
Speaker 2: school soccer and lacrosse player, which is crazy, No, I
Speaker 2: think I think for me, we always said we were
Speaker 2: super close to our grandparents, and it was weird to
Speaker 2: even think about that we were going to be so
Speaker 2: far and removed from them, and it was just going
Speaker 2: to be kind of like oh here, you know, Grandma,
Speaker 2: Grandpa visiting. You know, if we're lucky five times a year,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, whatever it is holiday wise. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm still like, I'm very very happy that we
Speaker 2: made that decision.
Speaker 1: And once we moved back to Cincinnati, you know things
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say, it was like, oh.
Speaker 2: No, it's a big, big decision, lots of adjustment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we took our time, we talked to people,
Speaker 1: we tried to figure it out loud. I you know,
Speaker 1: every time I talked to Tumbrs around still, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're the reason I felt good moving back home, because
Speaker 1: he was basically like, you can work from anywhere, you know,
Speaker 1: you got to take care of your family and make
Speaker 1: sure that your your family is the priority. So thanks Tom.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, once we came back,
Speaker 1: we were always trying to like, all right, how do
Speaker 1: we how do we make a difference in Cincinnati? How
Speaker 1: do we make a change. How do we find out
Speaker 1: who we are in this in this community? Because LA
Speaker 1: and Cincinnati they might sound like they're very very similar,
Speaker 1: you know, but there there there are some differences. Feel
Speaker 1: other than Cincinnati losing to LA in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: which I'm still we can't talk about. I'm still bitter
Speaker 1: about I can't talk about that. Yeah, So you know,
Speaker 1: we moved back, we started Lache Arts, which is our
Speaker 1: nonprofit which has been going for twelve plus years. Now,
Speaker 1: what type of change and difference do you feel like
Speaker 1: that has made in our lives?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that I think the biggest change like
Speaker 2: when you start out to do something like that and
Speaker 2: just what you said like a like a give back mentality,
Speaker 2: and it was more of like us getting involved with
Speaker 2: the performing arts high school that you know, we graduated
Speaker 2: from Nick and Justin graduated from and you know, it
Speaker 2: starts like that and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 2: realize that you're getting more than you could have ever
Speaker 2: imagined out of something like this. And so I think
Speaker 2: for us we kind of just not kind of we
Speaker 2: still to this day pour our hearts and souls into
Speaker 2: the share arts because we do we believe in this
Speaker 2: next generation of artists. And so you know, when I
Speaker 2: look back, I don't think that that's ultimately like I
Speaker 2: didn't know at that time that that's what we would
Speaker 2: be doing. So and then it's turned into our musical reveless.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in twenty eighteen, as part of a Lache
Speaker 1: Art's theater class, you know, we wrote we had our
Speaker 1: students right down on pieces of paper ways that they
Speaker 1: felt like they weren't being seen, or they weren't valued,
Speaker 1: or they were discriminating against and we were just going
Speaker 1: to drop them on the hat and shake them up
Speaker 1: and honymously and have people pull them out and then
Speaker 1: they were going to have to put themselves in someone
Speaker 1: else's shoes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, was empathy exercise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so from there, how did labels come out of
Speaker 1: that exercise?
Speaker 2: Well, again, it was one of those things where we
Speaker 2: had no idea what would come of it. And then
Speaker 2: as we were reading those pieces of paper and crying
Speaker 2: and for like, for me personally, I can one percent
Speaker 2: say that the one that I read about my uncle
Speaker 2: says that I belong in the kitchen and that's where
Speaker 2: women belong. Is where I said, I'm sorry, like this
Speaker 2: is actually this is actually happening. So I felt like
Speaker 2: I was maybe a little out of touch with what
Speaker 2: was going on. And so I don't know, I well,
Speaker 2: you know how I think I think art moves people.
Speaker 2: I think we can you know, learn from it. And
Speaker 2: grow from it. And I think from that, with the
Speaker 2: permission of that first class, which was the first cast
Speaker 2: of label lists in twenty eighteen, we started to create
Speaker 2: a show. And even then it wasn't like we didn't
Speaker 2: set out to be like, oh, we're going to we're
Speaker 2: gonna build a musical right and then it and I
Speaker 2: say this all the time too, like the best stuff
Speaker 2: happens organically and naturally and it just it just happened
Speaker 2: and it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in twenty eighteen, we had all covers. You know,
Speaker 1: we had literally every every every song, every subject that
Speaker 1: we were trying to tackle, we used a cover song
Speaker 1: to try and highlight it. You know, we used like
Speaker 1: a Rachel plattin fight song is like the closer, We
Speaker 1: used who Said by Selena go Man he was Beautiful
Speaker 1: by Christina Aguilera, And you know, there's just a variety
Speaker 1: of different of different songs since then, you know, we
Speaker 1: went from you know, fourteen sixteen covers to seventeen songs,
Speaker 1: but over sixty percent of them now our originals, so and.
Speaker 2: Written by our friends that are songwriters in the industry.
Speaker 2: So it's actually also really cool because we get to
Speaker 2: work with our friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Jamie Jones from Off for One wrote a song.
Speaker 1: Paul Duncan, who is a very good friend of ours,
Speaker 1: very successful songwriter, written for Yeah. He wrote I don't
Speaker 1: even know what the count is now or co wrote
Speaker 1: with me many songs. Aaron Space, who is another friend
Speaker 1: of ours, wrote a song, and we still have a
Speaker 1: couple of covers in there. But how do you feel
Speaker 1: like putting the original music into the show has has
Speaker 1: changed the trajectory of it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean the show, and the show has grown
Speaker 2: immensely from that. So I feel like because when you
Speaker 2: start to write your own material, then you're actually really
Speaker 2: locking into that story you're telling. So it's so great
Speaker 2: right to match it up with covers, and that's exciting
Speaker 2: because people know the songs, and like you said, we
Speaker 2: still have some covers in there. But I think when
Speaker 2: you start writing those original pieces, you're really tapping into
Speaker 2: those stories. So each cast member has a story in
Speaker 2: the show, and it's a wide variety of everything from classism, bullying, racism, homophobia,
Speaker 2: the list goes on mental health. And so I think
Speaker 2: that when you're really truly listening to that person's story
Speaker 2: or monologue, if you want to say in the show
Speaker 2: and then it goes into that original song. There's nothing
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: So as we go through all these different stories of
Speaker 1: the cast, is there I mean, I know I have
Speaker 1: ones that have that have hit me very, very hard.
Speaker 1: Is there one one story that kind of stands out
Speaker 1: to you as either like very moving or opened your eyes,
Speaker 1: brought you something.
Speaker 2: I think that they I mean, I have to say this,
Speaker 2: that they've They've all taught me lessons in different ways.
Speaker 2: And each new cast member that comes in and you know,
Speaker 2: tells their story and the show, you know, you you
Speaker 2: start to look at the world differently, and that's the
Speaker 2: whole point of the show, right is to put yourself
Speaker 2: in their position and walk in their shoes. So obviously,
Speaker 2: I I mean sexism self worth is huge for me
Speaker 2: mental health. But I I think learning so much over
Speaker 2: the years would be Alyssa's story. And Alyssa is in
Speaker 2: a wheelchair and just really I think dives in to
Speaker 2: her story of you know, see me for who I am.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm a person. But then the well I
Speaker 2: adore her, but the day to day learning from her
Speaker 2: in the rehearsal process of I mean, I was guilty
Speaker 2: at the very beginning. And I will say, and this
Speaker 2: is how you learn and grow of you know, people
Speaker 2: are moving set pieces around and Alyssa said, what about me?
Speaker 2: I can do that, and so it just kind of
Speaker 2: it changes your mindset and it changes the way you know,
Speaker 2: you view things. So I would say, I would say
Speaker 2: Lissa's story, Yeah, yeah, I would agree she's a badast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I think there's like I catch myself
Speaker 1: still like there's certain things that I think as society
Speaker 1: we're all kind of still learning and you know, adjusting
Speaker 1: to and you know, saying all right, male cast members
Speaker 1: or female cast members, and you know, so just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, making it more inclusive to you know, a
Speaker 1: non binary or people that might not identify with one
Speaker 1: or the other, or just male presenting female presenting pronouns,
Speaker 1: being more aware of that, and.
Speaker 2: Also just asking a question. I feel like I've learned
Speaker 2: so much from the cast and this you know generation
Speaker 2: of artists where they're just like, if you have a
Speaker 2: question and you don't know how to address something, or
Speaker 2: you don't know how to ask it, just calmly, just
Speaker 2: just ask how how would you how would you like
Speaker 2: me to address you. It's that simple. And I think
Speaker 2: I think people when they start being fearful of things, right,
Speaker 2: they shut down. And well, that's why I love the
Speaker 2: show is I feel like it brings topics to light
Speaker 2: in a very creative way and you leave the theater
Speaker 2: going I can do that. I can, I can have
Speaker 2: more empathy and it can be a better person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean I think, yeah, there's definitely stories
Speaker 1: that have hit me, you know, harder than others, but
Speaker 1: like just musically, like coming from like a song, a
Speaker 1: song point of view, Clearly, the finale together is better.
Speaker 1: I mean every time I he cries every time I do.
Speaker 1: There's something about that song and when the cast comes
Speaker 1: together and they sing it, there is such a sense
Speaker 1: of community and love that it. Yeah, it makes me
Speaker 1: cry every time. And I've seen the show hundreds and
Speaker 1: I could, I could, I think about it hundreds and
Speaker 1: hundreds of times. But then if I look at at
Speaker 1: the you know, the show as a whole. I mean
Speaker 1: you Are Seen, which is a song that kind of
Speaker 1: that kind of goes with with a list of story.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of that one. I love the message
Speaker 1: of that one. But there's the song Hands, which talks
Speaker 1: about how you know, we're all making it's in our hands.
Speaker 1: We have we have a choice, like we can, you know,
Speaker 1: we have two options. And so that song to me always,
Speaker 1: you know, makes me makes me think and feel because musically,
Speaker 1: I feel like the arrangement is very beautiful and that
Speaker 1: the lyrics are great, but I feel like just the
Speaker 1: way the cast comes together and sings it together, that
Speaker 1: one always always gets me emotional too.
Speaker 2: I love hearing that you get emotional too from it,
Speaker 2: because there's nothing better than, you know, working and giving
Speaker 2: your heart and soul again to the writing and the
Speaker 2: music and the choreography and then feeling super proud of it.
Speaker 1: And when we were talking about songwriters, there's we love
Speaker 1: you know one out and that's Yeah, a former student
Speaker 1: of ours at Lache Arts who is an aspiring songwriter
Speaker 1: kind of a prodigy. We we were looking for a
Speaker 1: song to replace Beautiful by Christian Aguilera in the show,
Speaker 1: and we went to her and she was eighteen at
Speaker 1: the time, senior in high school. And the whole tead, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole song is about you know, self worth and
Speaker 1: when you look in the mirror, what do you see?
Speaker 1: How do you feel? How do you feel about like
Speaker 1: the pressures of you know, society and having to do
Speaker 1: with beauty and what is what is the right size?
Speaker 1: What is the right number? What is you know? All
Speaker 1: that stuff? And she wrote a song that is so
Speaker 1: moving and inspirational. Yeah, well, well, well beyond her years,
Speaker 1: that song is so Yeah, so I hope she's as
Speaker 1: proud of that song as she should be. All Right,
Speaker 1: So we've been working on labels for over six years now.
Speaker 1: Is there one moment that stands out to you as
Speaker 1: like that is that is that moment of pride, that
Speaker 1: is where yeah, something something happened where you just one
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, what what is? What is that that
Speaker 1: biggest moment?
Speaker 2: I mean it's so hard to answer because again when
Speaker 2: we started, never knew how much work. I mean, I
Speaker 2: knew it would be hard, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 2: just all the ins and outs of like producing and
Speaker 2: directing and choreographing and songs come in and out and
Speaker 2: what works and what doesn't, and proud moments each each phase.
Speaker 2: I'm proud because you know, catapultsy to the next level.
Speaker 2: I think performing the show in New York and an
Speaker 2: off Roaway theater in November was one of those moments
Speaker 2: where deep down while I was crying and like hugging
Speaker 2: our team, and you know, the audience just kind of
Speaker 2: like leapt to their feet and there's nothing better than that,
Speaker 2: and the energy in that room was incredible. But to
Speaker 2: have just that little tiny dream, little tiny tiny dream,
Speaker 2: and then to push push, push, push, and then to
Speaker 2: get it to that that point is I will remember
Speaker 2: that moment for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: For me, there's you know, it was one moment during
Speaker 1: one performance, and it was during the finale of this
Speaker 1: last run Sinanta Plaus in the park and the finale
Speaker 1: was going on, and it was getting like we were into
Speaker 1: the It was in the bridge and then it was
Speaker 1: building out of the bridge and and the whole cast
Speaker 1: was coming forward, and this one lady that was kind
Speaker 1: of sitting like a little bit house left and I
Speaker 1: was at the sound booth and and Leah was Leah
Speaker 1: was right there too. This one lady literally just jumped
Speaker 1: out of her seats mid song, like the song was
Speaker 1: still going on, and she literally just stood up and
Speaker 1: put her hands towards towards the cast, like giving all
Speaker 1: her love and energy back towards them. And then one
Speaker 1: by one, the entire audience started popping up and literally
Speaker 1: it was a standing ovation before the song song was
Speaker 1: even over. Yeah, people were up out of their out
Speaker 1: of their seats, like literally just giving so much love
Speaker 1: and energy to the cast where it made me like like,
Speaker 1: you're like, holy shit, and.
Speaker 2: Then we I have to say this to you and
Speaker 2: I have to interject that, like the cast is so
Speaker 2: brave and courageous and so to see to see their
Speaker 2: reaction when something like that happens too. I mean we've
Speaker 2: both been on stage as well, and so I can't
Speaker 2: imagine what that is like to receive that. And then
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that the one woman
Speaker 2: jumped up and grabbed in a in a you know,
Speaker 2: polite way. I was like, do we need security, but
Speaker 2: just was so moved needed to hug one of the
Speaker 2: cast members, I mean stage like so yeah during the show.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, we might need to bring
Speaker 2: in security out, but that or yeah, it's it's yeah,
Speaker 2: like we said, so proud, it's amazing, all right.
Speaker 1: So we just finished up a run at the playoffs
Speaker 1: in the Park. We just did a showcase in New
Speaker 1: York City at Chelsea Table on stage Yeah, we have
Speaker 1: a couple of things this fall. We're starting to book
Speaker 1: out dates for a spring of twenty twenty five. If
Speaker 1: there is one thing I love this question. There's one
Speaker 1: thing that you want LABELSS to do, to accomplish, to
Speaker 1: to be a place that you wanted to be performed, Oh,
Speaker 1: be performed, be performed? Yes, Like where where is that dream?
Speaker 1: What is that dream scenario?
Speaker 2: World domination?
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, doctor Evil.
Speaker 2: I just believe in the message so much so I'm torn,
Speaker 2: And I know you're going to say one place. I
Speaker 2: can't pick one place because the you know, Big Dream
Speaker 2: obviously is Broadway. Why why wouldn't it be that would
Speaker 2: be incredible to just have the show sit down in York.
Speaker 2: There's just that's just pure magic. But I also think
Speaker 2: touring it is so important because the whole point of
Speaker 2: the show is to get people to think outside of
Speaker 2: the box. So I think the best way to do
Speaker 2: that is touring it all of the country, all over
Speaker 2: the world, right, and then I and then third the
Speaker 2: West End London. I would love that. I would love
Speaker 2: love that so so so basically the answers everywhere.
Speaker 1: So this is this is I think everybody's kind of
Speaker 1: getting a glimpse into what I deal with on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. So I ask a fairly simple question like
Speaker 1: where would you where do you see the show going?
Speaker 2: That's not a simple question.
Speaker 1: That's simple.
Speaker 2: No, it's not because if I answer just one place, like,
Speaker 2: that's not what I want.
Speaker 1: But it basically becomes oh, we're just going to take
Speaker 1: over the world. That that is what? That is?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Why not? I get? Yeah, So it's not just there's
Speaker 1: never just a simple answer. And you know, people are
Speaker 1: always asking, you know what what how do you guys
Speaker 1: work together? So how do you how do you how
Speaker 1: do you view our our our working relationship?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I do think that we I think we
Speaker 2: work well together.
Speaker 1: Do you well, yes, no, I absolutely do. I think.
Speaker 2: But you're like, how do how.
Speaker 1: Do I view it?
Speaker 2: Like in in the process, in the room and the Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just so so everybody understands, we produce label less, we
Speaker 1: direct label less. We produce it together. We directed together.
Speaker 1: I write most of the the monologues. We have a
Speaker 1: couple other writers on it, but mostly me. You do
Speaker 1: all the choreography except for the racism section, which which
Speaker 1: is my best friend. Yeah, we have multiple songwriters meeting
Speaker 1: one of them. Then we also are the fundraisers, we
Speaker 1: are the tech crew, We are whatever whatever has to
Speaker 1: be done for the show.
Speaker 2: Now that's the story.
Speaker 1: We we do it. So it's not just like, oh,
Speaker 1: we go to the office together and you.
Speaker 2: Know, it gets it gets stressful.
Speaker 1: Is that you're saying, Yes, I'm just trying to let
Speaker 1: everybody know that it's not just like this, oh one
Speaker 1: of us is in sales and the other one's distribution. No,
Speaker 1: it is like and it's also the time.
Speaker 3: We would be lying if we said that the time
Speaker 3: we would be lying if we didn't say that. There
Speaker 3: were times that we were.
Speaker 2: Like like, right now.
Speaker 3: Well I can sell when you're mad, and Mike, one
Speaker 3: of our cast members, says, it actually does a really
Speaker 3: great Yeah, we'll have.
Speaker 1: To do it for you.
Speaker 2: But like when Drew gets mad when we were on
Speaker 2: tour in the fall, and there were there were sometimes
Speaker 2: that were very stressful getting the set up, you know,
Speaker 2: in time and all that fun stuff, and you would
Speaker 2: put your hands on your waist and just do the
Speaker 2: pacing during sound check and then the and then like
Speaker 2: walk up stage and then do the I was like,
Speaker 2: it's pissed, he's pissed, and so you have to, you know,
Speaker 2: keep it calm, keep it gone. And then I got
Speaker 2: him a snack. It didn't help.
Speaker 1: How simple minded am I? It's like it's like like
Speaker 1: Mango from Blazing Saddles, Mango bad unless you give like Mongo.
Speaker 2: Like well, diet cokes sometimes help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some times, but not always.
Speaker 2: Pissed and rightfully, so you were pissed.
Speaker 1: We don't even need to go into all that things
Speaker 1: were happening. Yeah, yeah, But honestly, I feel like we
Speaker 1: work well together because we there's a mutual respect for
Speaker 1: each other's contributions and skill set and what we bring
Speaker 1: to the table. But I think also we are complimentary
Speaker 1: to each other in the way that we approach situations.
Speaker 1: Like you are very much a big idea person. That's
Speaker 1: why you were like, oh, what how do you want
Speaker 1: the show World Domination, Broadway, West End Boom. You know,
Speaker 1: I am much more of a You're more macro in
Speaker 1: your thinking like big, and I'm more micro, like, all right,
Speaker 1: what are the fifteen steps that have to happen to
Speaker 1: get to you know this first this first goal? And
Speaker 1: I feel like because we were not both just dreaming big,
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, we are, but we're able to compliment
Speaker 1: each other because if I was, if it was just
Speaker 1: on me, I would just literally be so caught up
Speaker 1: in all the little details just to get to the
Speaker 1: next show that I couldn't be focusing on what the
Speaker 1: long term goal is. And you we are more long
Speaker 1: term goal and you know, so you know, some of
Speaker 1: the details might not be quite as important, you know.
Speaker 1: So I feel like because we're kind of ying and yang,
Speaker 1: it works. So a lot of our cast members in
Speaker 1: labels started off in the Lache Arts program, so we've
Speaker 1: been working with them and training them. Clearly, now the
Speaker 1: cast has expanded. We got people from literally all over
Speaker 1: the globe at this point. But if you had to
Speaker 1: give those young performers, those young cast members one bit
Speaker 1: of advice for you know, kind of taking on this
Speaker 1: industry and their life in this industry, what would be.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't have just one answer, So I'll go
Speaker 2: listen more. I mean, I think that's that's advice for
Speaker 2: myself too. I think when you when you listen, you
Speaker 2: you learn so much. But also to take every opportunity
Speaker 2: you know and put your best foot forward so you know,
Speaker 2: you never know how you leave one job, how it's
Speaker 2: going to affect that next job because this industry is
Speaker 2: so very small and we all know each other pretty much,
Speaker 2: I mean, just right, I mean I think and then
Speaker 2: and the third thing is, and I didn't do this
Speaker 2: at nineteen or twenty because you know, it was probably
Speaker 2: too nervous or scared or whatever. But that networking matters, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: As long as you don't do it in a douchey way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not in it, not not in that.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 2: No, I just think that, like, you know, if you're
Speaker 2: if you're in that work environment, you're doing not only
Speaker 2: good work, but and you also treat people the way
Speaker 2: you want to be treated, you know. I think I
Speaker 2: think we've been lucky in that for the most part.
Speaker 2: That you know, we have for the most part cast
Speaker 2: members that want to be in the room and want
Speaker 2: to be a part of something that is, you know,
Speaker 2: an original musical. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think for me it would be you know, don't
Speaker 1: don't tie your own self worth two? Which what job?
Speaker 1: Oh god, you're working, you know, I mean I think
Speaker 1: that's like.
Speaker 2: That's what you do, that is what you do in
Speaker 2: your twenties.
Speaker 1: So let's be real, honestly, yeah. I mean I think
Speaker 1: back in all the time, I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: so you know it is you know Bastery and Sync
Speaker 1: in US and you know, oh, they sold this many.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, we gotta we got to sell
Speaker 1: that many now. And then it's like all right, there's
Speaker 1: there was that. And then if you didn't get there,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, or if your song didn't go
Speaker 1: number one, your song went you know, broke top ten,
Speaker 1: but you know somebody else it didn't. It didn't achieve
Speaker 1: what you would initially hope to would achieve, you know,
Speaker 1: not carrying that that weight of like yeah, it just
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough, I'm not good enough, or you know,
Speaker 1: take it one step further, like auditioning. You know, it's
Speaker 1: there's so many different reasons why things can work or
Speaker 1: not work. And so if you just train and you
Speaker 1: work hard and you you do your best you can
Speaker 1: in that room or whatever job, whatever job, interview, you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't get it, you you have to be
Speaker 1: okay with all right, I did everything I could. It
Speaker 1: just didn't work out this time. As opposed to carrying that.
Speaker 2: Yes, that weight, I just think in your twenties, it's
Speaker 2: so hard to hear that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm staying I'm still in my twenties.
Speaker 2: M M. Yeah, yeah, you just reminded me of and
Speaker 2: he I don't even know if he remembers saying this
Speaker 2: to us because it was years ago, but I say
Speaker 2: it all the time Donald Baison when he said stay
Speaker 2: in your lane, and at the time, I don't even
Speaker 2: nobody was referencing, but I say it all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm like, just stay in your line, just stay in
Speaker 2: your line. Do you work on you right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Mind your business. Now.
Speaker 1: When we when we started this interview, I said, one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I wanted to interview you was
Speaker 1: because there might be some some opportunity to get straight
Speaker 1: no bs answers to to some things.
Speaker 2: No, did I succeed?
Speaker 1: No, not really. You kind of danced around a couple
Speaker 1: of things. But there is there's one question that I'm
Speaker 1: kind of curious because we've been together for geez, how
Speaker 1: long we've been married for twenty four years? Been together
Speaker 1: for well, it'll be twenty four it'll be twenty four years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been so that means we've been together for thirty
Speaker 1: two years.
Speaker 2: Good Lord, all mine together for seventy five years.
Speaker 1: All right, now in those thirty two years, you know
Speaker 1: me fairly well. Is there is there anything? And I
Speaker 1: know probably not, but is there anything I do that
Speaker 1: just really annoys you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is there is there one? Is there one thing?
Speaker 2: That? There are two things that's like and you're not
Speaker 2: going to say what? No, I get the two things
Speaker 2: right now. The you know this, and so do all
Speaker 2: the guys. Drew whistles and it is like I want
Speaker 2: to claw his face off.
Speaker 1: I'm a really good whistler. I'm just I'm just saying no.
Speaker 2: See it actually makes me. I get so annoyed because
Speaker 2: it's like a yodel whistle no like no, it's bad.
Speaker 1: As Billy Joe. Billy Joe's got a whole intro. You know,
Speaker 1: it's all whistling, but it's.
Speaker 2: Always in the car. He's also started to add this
Speaker 2: weird like foot tap with the yodel.
Speaker 1: You don't even know you do that with the yodel.
Speaker 2: Yoda whistle whistle, yoda, a yoda whistle with a foot
Speaker 2: a strong foot tap while we're driving. I literally I
Speaker 2: want to I see red. So that's the first thing.
Speaker 2: The other thing, and I bet you there are other
Speaker 2: people out there that are in relationships with people and
Speaker 2: they do this Drew somehow. It's always at night, will
Speaker 2: take like his socks off and leave them right by
Speaker 2: the door of the bedroom. That is odd to me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, can't you take those socks and put them
Speaker 2: in the hamper? But I mean, I get on our
Speaker 2: son about that song. I don't put it in the hamper.
Speaker 2: I don't understand. It's like and so in the morning,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are the socks for? Are they no?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Are the sock are you can put them on again?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Are they're dirty? Or you can put them on again?
Speaker 2: Are you saving them? No?
Speaker 1: I probably wore the socks into the bedroom and as
Speaker 1: opposed to walking like down back down to the hamper,
Speaker 1: I just took them off there. Okay, So and in
Speaker 1: the morning you walk past them and leave them. Well,
Speaker 1: I was planning on coming back and getting them. I'm
Speaker 1: sure just my eyes. It was dark in the room.
Speaker 1: I didn't see them.
Speaker 2: This is not a one time occurrence. I'm this is
Speaker 2: this is easily three or four times a week, easily,
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, I just want to know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I changed my socks three or
Speaker 1: four times a week.
Speaker 2: So you take them off, you put them right there
Speaker 2: by the door, you get in bed, you wake up
Speaker 2: in the morning, you walk past them. So then when
Speaker 2: I go back in the morning, because I always make
Speaker 2: the bed every morning, I'm like, what do I do
Speaker 2: with these? What I do with these socks?
Speaker 1: And what do you do with them?
Speaker 2: Put him in the hamper? But why there it is?
Speaker 1: You know what to do with it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 1: They don't bother me, sitting right there bother me. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what to tell you. I
Speaker 1: don't know. And there there is one conversation that we've.
Speaker 2: Try and get the industry under the with the socks.
Speaker 1: Damn you, Drew, you can't put your socks in the hamper.
Speaker 1: Curse you to hell. No, We've had this conversation for
Speaker 1: a long long time, and it's it's a common conversation
Speaker 1: that a lot of married couples have. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's the whole toilet seed thing. And so my I
Speaker 1: get it. Why can't you put the toilet seat down?
Speaker 1: I get it. You don't feel like that's because because
Speaker 1: the toilet seats always down. So my question is, if
Speaker 1: it is up to me to always put the toilet
Speaker 1: seat down when you're done, why can't you put it up?
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: It's just it feels wrong.
Speaker 1: So if I'm saving saving you from from either having
Speaker 1: to touch the toilet sea or not looking and falling
Speaker 1: into the.
Speaker 2: Toilet, but who's to say that if I do that
Speaker 2: and I put it up and get it ready for you,
Speaker 2: how do I know that you're in the next one?
Speaker 2: But what if it's not me?
Speaker 1: How do I know you're going to be the next one?
Speaker 1: But yet I still have to put the thing down.
Speaker 2: You're ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it. If it's a partnership, if it's
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty, if I got to put it down,
Speaker 1: why can't you put it up?
Speaker 2: I can get down with other things. But that to
Speaker 2: me just sounds I mean, I get what you're saying,
Speaker 2: but it's not it's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: See, it's not fair. This is this is not this
Speaker 1: is not right. But you love me, I do. I'd
Speaker 1: love you more if you put the toilet set up,
Speaker 1: all right. So, a lot of a lot of our
Speaker 1: experiences in the industry have have kind of been around
Speaker 1: different reality shows, you know. So there was there was one.
Speaker 1: There was one reality show that we were on, were on.
Speaker 1: There was one that I was on dancing, you know.
Speaker 1: There were been other ones that we participated in. Our
Speaker 1: families done a ton of them, you know. There was
Speaker 1: Nick and I did one about, you know, building a barn. Right,
Speaker 1: So if you and I as a as a married couple,
Speaker 1: we're competing on a reality show, which one do you
Speaker 1: think it would be?
Speaker 2: Can you do? Can you do the one you've done before?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like we'd crushed Dancing with the Stars?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we we we would except for neither of
Speaker 1: us a ballroom dan, So we would just be like
Speaker 1: doing us but we wouldn't be like, oh and doing
Speaker 1: the chowhaw, you know. It would be like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: would just be out there, you know, kicking ass and
Speaker 1: taking names. Okay, but so a different way. Let's take
Speaker 1: that one off the table. What is there another one?
Speaker 2: I feel Okay, I love the like amazing race stuff,
Speaker 2: but I know that I would be.
Speaker 1: So stressed out. Yeah I don't really. I do necessarily
Speaker 1: think like you're great at many things, almost everything.
Speaker 2: That would be good at that. I feel like I would.
Speaker 1: I would be dirty. I would playing in the mud
Speaker 1: and doing all that.
Speaker 2: That kind of episode where they're walking through Madrid, like
Speaker 2: looking for a certain statue. Yeah, that's what I want
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like the traveling aspects and trying to figure out
Speaker 2: like what plane, what train, what right? Like that I
Speaker 2: think we would be good at.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So no, I don't want to no naked and afraid.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no, please know that would no alone, No,
Speaker 2: that would be horrible.
Speaker 1: Homestead Rescue we could do.
Speaker 2: Oh we do like Homestead Rescue.
Speaker 1: I'd have to grow my mustache out more, you would,
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 2: You think that show's fascinating? But I don't know. That's
Speaker 2: not like a it's not like competition. No, it's like
Speaker 2: just like helping build, which I think is pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this year we are celebrating twenty four years of marriage,
Speaker 1: which means next year is twenty five. Now we're already
Speaker 1: you know, talking about, Okay, what are we gonna do
Speaker 1: for our twenty fifth anniversary? It's a big one. But
Speaker 1: if we look back in the past, is there one
Speaker 1: Is there one date.
Speaker 2: You're gonna say one again. I hate doing just.
Speaker 1: One trip or moment that you know, one one room,
Speaker 1: antic moment that you can like, We've.
Speaker 2: Had so many amazing trips. I don't know how to pick.
Speaker 1: What is there one that is like your favorite, like
Speaker 1: one scenario when setting one spot that you're.
Speaker 2: Likerew, life is about me.
Speaker 1: That is why.
Speaker 2: That's why I married him. Okay, so we are going
Speaker 2: to do something big twenty five. We will. We just
Speaker 2: have to plan that.
Speaker 1: We have to plan.
Speaker 2: But I like when stuff is like loosely you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like a loose plan, like loosely scripted,
Speaker 2: loosely scripted. And then I mean because I think because
Speaker 2: we're always so busy and everything is so scheduled all
Speaker 2: the time that when something is just like hey, we
Speaker 2: got the whole day, like when we were in Dublin
Speaker 2: comes to mind, like when it's like we only have
Speaker 2: nowhere to be, we have no schedule to keep and
Speaker 2: what are we in Dubling for? Okay, we were there
Speaker 2: because he was working, but we were working.
Speaker 1: I was doing name that too, Yeah, and I competed
Speaker 1: against how from from Backstreet and I won. All right,
Speaker 1: I'll continue with your.
Speaker 2: Story, Okay, so.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I like days where it's kind
Speaker 2: of like it just just kind of flows right. Like
Speaker 2: one of our favorite dates, and I know it's not
Speaker 2: like this big, like you know, grandiose thing or travel thing,
Speaker 2: because I don't think it needs to be is we
Speaker 2: were downtown Cincinnati and it was snowing and it wasn't
Speaker 2: planned and we had we had like a staycation kind
Speaker 2: of thing planned downtown.
Speaker 1: And it was Valentine's Day, I remember.
Speaker 2: And one of our favorite restaurants here in Cincinnati Soto.
Speaker 2: You know, every nobody could get to the restaurant because
Speaker 2: it was like blizzard conditions, and so we were there
Speaker 2: and we just kind of like walked past the street
Speaker 2: and we had the whole place to ourselfs and we
Speaker 2: just it's the it's the best restaurant. And we sat
Speaker 2: there and just had a nice bottle of wine and
Speaker 2: good food and just like nowhere to be And I think,
Speaker 2: I don't know, connection like that is awesome.
Speaker 1: That was actually my favorite date that I was going
Speaker 1: to say that you didn't know that I did, But
Speaker 1: it was just like that, like it was so romantic,
Speaker 1: Like the city was so quiet, because anytime you're in
Speaker 1: an urban area and it's snowing. It's just quiet. It's
Speaker 1: you know, you look up at the street lights you
Speaker 1: see like the snow falling. And then it was literally
Speaker 1: right across the street from like the hotel where we
Speaker 1: were staying for our staycation, and we literally walked in
Speaker 1: and this place is impossible to get into. It's always crowded,
Speaker 1: it's always packed. And we literally walked in there and
Speaker 1: there was like nobody in there and we just sat down.
Speaker 1: We sat at the bar and yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 1: We sat at the corner of the bar, so it
Speaker 1: was like we were just sitting like this the whole time,
Speaker 1: just like eating and drinking and just relaxing and just
Speaker 1: and nowhere to be and know where to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the best. I think that, I think that would be.
Speaker 2: So what we're I think what we're getting to summing
Speaker 2: it all up is the fact that we need to
Speaker 2: do more of that.
Speaker 1: But that's laughing, more vacation.
Speaker 2: Because everything is so planned, not gonna happen for a second.
Speaker 2: But maybe we need.
Speaker 1: To make it and we'll make it a priority. I'll
Speaker 1: make it a party. All right. Well, I want to
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