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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode, So every episode

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Speaker 3: Welcome to you can happen here a podcast where so

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Speaker 3: many things are happening here that we frankly have borne

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Speaker 3: out the bit about trying to use this as our introduction.

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Speaker 3: I am your host, Bio Wong. One of the many, many, many,

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Speaker 3: many many crises that are unfolding in this country right

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Speaker 3: now is a rolling ethnic cleansing carried out by Ice

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Speaker 3: we have talked about this from a lot of angles.

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Speaker 3: But a thing I want to sort of draw attention

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Speaker 3: a community organizer, does many things, wears many hats. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Hello, I'm Ellie. And the reason I am

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Speaker 1: talking about tonight Alberto, who is a father and a

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Speaker 1: And you know, we are trying to get him out

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Speaker 3: Now the frequency of those raids has decreased because they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which, you know, not enormously happy to see people

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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, you need you need safety people too at home.

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Speaker 1: unquote illegally or not. Alberto is not here illegally, Okay,

438
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: he's going through the asylum process. When the immigration attorneys

439
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 1: on our organizing teams spoke with Alberto and specifically asked

440
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: about his conditions at Fay County. He said that and

441
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: granted this, I believe with some him in the last week.

442
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: I think they haven't spoken to him in maybe a week.

443
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: It's been hard too, But when they asked about his conditions,

444
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: he said that he had all the basics, is now

445
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: being given three meals a day, and was at least

446
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: at that point being administered medication. We don't have very

447
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: good context and accurate data on how often that's actually

448
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: been happening. He has a severe seizure disorder and he

449
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: requires medication to be administered at least I think twice

450
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: a day, and even one missed dose can be fatal.

451
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: It's been a while since they've been able to talk.

452
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: I do know that he checks in with his family

453
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: and a family friend every morning, only briefly. I spoke

454
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: to them just before this call to get any updated information.

455
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: There was a day this week where he didn't xt

456
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: first thing in the morning, and we were all really worried,

457
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: and we had no idea what that meant. It turns

458
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: out that the WiFi just was down, but oh my god,

459
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: how horrifying. Every day I wake up and I just

460
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still alive.

461
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: And he is.

462
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Only one of many many immigrants that I have worked

463
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: on cases for and that I am trying to bring

464
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: attention to. And it's terrifying to never know if he's

465
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: going to be one of the many, many people who

466
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: have died in there, because it's been weeks or months

467
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: or a year, and so, you know, as far as

468
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: as conditions go, we don't have a lot of information

469
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: about his specific condition. We know that he has been struggling.

470
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: We know that it's been very hard on his health.

471
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: It would be hard on anyone's health, whether they were

472
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: disabled or sick or not, because the conditions are inhumane.

473
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: We do know as reported by other clients of the

474
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: immigration attorneys on our team. We know that at different

475
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: attention centers, many have told her that it's very cold.

476
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: One who is with the gen pop and could only

477
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: speak with her from a tablet in the room while

478
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: other detainees were around. Several have told her that they

479
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: were denied access to nurses and medical care when they

480
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: had headaches or a sore throat. I also want to

481
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: tie this back to, you know, the global pandemic. We've

482
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people die of COVID or other

483
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: illnesses well in detention. This is a public health issue.

484
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: This is a public health and safety issue. Just the

485
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: same way that people who are in prisons are treated

486
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: poorly and not given the medical care they need, and

487
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: that faulty is part of the point. Immigrants and detention

488
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: are also completely deprived of medical care that they need,

489
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: and again that would be really dangerous for anyone, but

490
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: for Albero, he has a severe seizure disorder, Like one

491
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: thing could go wrong and he would be done. Yeah,

492
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: like his life hangs in the balance. There's another client

493
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: she has with castro intestinal problems told her that they

494
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: basically can't eat anything because the food quality is so

495
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: poor and coupled with their condition, they just vomit and

496
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: have diarrhea constant meat. This is what is happening in

497
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: IC attention facilities. They are just completely overrun with these

498
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: public health and safety disasters and they don't have the

499
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: care or attention because those conditions happening are orchestrated.

500
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they don't give a shit or they're orchestrated.

501
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: They're a part of the cool feed. They don't care. Yeah,

502
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: what's worse is they do care, but they care about

503
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: creating the suffering.

504
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's like like for them, it's like these

505
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: people's ultimate goal is to not have non white people

506
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: in the US, right you could. You can look at like,

507
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: you know, Stephen Miller's wife, like, yeah, last week was

508
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: like posting shit about what will happen when they deport

509
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: one hundred million Americans. It's like, yeah, right.

510
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: They want enough no estate, absolutely.

511
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: No, like they and they don't it doesn't really matter

512
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: to them, Like you know, it's it's kind of bad

513
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: PR if people die in their in their fucking camps,

514
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: but they don't give it gives. These people don't give

515
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: a shit whether if people die or like are sent away,

516
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: Like they don't fucking care, Like they care about hurting people.

517
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: They don't care where they live or die.

518
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: They don't care about bad PR either to an extent,

519
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, this is what the show

520
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: is about. Authoritarian regimes and fascism is about control. Yeah,

521
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean sure, I guess maybe if there's enough bad

522
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: PR and they can't literally control people on the streets

523
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: who are overtaking the situation and fighting back because they've

524
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: gotten bad PR. That's a problem, But in and of itself,

525
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't really know if they care about the bad PR.

526
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: They should care about the results of the bad PR,

527
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: which is why we should all keep giving them bad PR.

528
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of that. There are so many

529
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: things that have happened since the escalation in Minneapolis last

530
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: week where Renee and Good was shot and killed. Okay,

531
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: I was collecting notes before this call, and I'd already

532
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: had many, and then when I was collecting notes just

533
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: from today alone, I was like, oh my god, twenty

534
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: things have happened. We found out in the last day alone.

535
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: There was a huge piece published in Slate today that

536
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: ICE is doing zero background checks on their applicants. A

537
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: journalist got officially hired despite being a prominent person who

538
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: speaks about leftism online. They failed a drug test, They

539
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: didn't even complete all the proper paperwork. ICE has literally

540
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: no idea who they're hiring, and they don't care because

541
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: they'll take anyone who is willing to terrorize people like

542
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: that's going to cause it's already causing a lot of

543
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: community ruptors. It's going to ruin communities. And the reality

544
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: is they don't care if it does, because it's actually

545
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: the point. If this were about accuracy or a real

546
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: quote unquote justice or Americans who are you know, quote

547
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: unquote being wronged by immigrants or whatever their narrative is,

548
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: they would have a vetting process. They would want the

549
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: best of the best. But they don't because it's just

550
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: about annihilation and control.

551
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

552
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: Well, and the other part of that too, if you

553
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: want to look at the sort of more positive angle

554
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: of it, is like part of what's going on here

555
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: is that they can't find enough people who want to

556
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: commit an ethnic cleansing.

557
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: Here's my thing. I'm a little concerned that's not true.

558
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: They are incentivizing people to betray their values. And part

559
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: of what's going on in this country is that people

560
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: are out of work. People need to stay bet in house.

561
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's the thing, Like, if they were able

562
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: to really easily like recruit those people into doing this,

563
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: then they wouldn't be continuously upping the bonus rates, and

564
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: they wouldn't be trying to like store cops from other agencies,

565
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: Like I think they seem to be having legitimate problems

566
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: even in a shitty job market, and.

567
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: We should we should give them more. I think we

568
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: should give them more. I think that we should incentivize

569
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: I personally would love to figure out how to incentivize

570
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: ice agents to quit their jobs. Like, I don't know

571
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: what I have to do. Maybe I'll gather my like

572
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: sex worker friends to organize them kind of campaign. I

573
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I don't know.

574
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: Well, you can you just just make their lives miserable

575
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: until they quit, Like that's the that's the easy, sure. Yeah.

576
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: And I And by the way, I say sex worker

577
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: friends specifically because doms are tough and they would bully

578
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: ice agents to no end. And I say this as

579
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: a former DOBS.

580
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: I believe in US. I believe in US. We can.

581
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: We can. We can make these people's lives hell. We

582
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 3: could do this.

583
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: I really think that if we take collective action and

584
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: we all take stock of what are my skills and

585
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I and use that to put the pressure on the

586
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: people who are making this terror possible, I think that

587
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: we can. I think we can take them all down.

588
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

589
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: I think that we truly could convince people to quit

590
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: if we make their lives a living hell. Do not

591
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: let them stay at hotels, do not let them buy groceries.

592
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: Don't let them show their faces anywhere in public. Okay.

593
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: This is also another thing that happened today. I think

594
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: it was there was the largest data breach ever. There

595
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: was a data breach today or yesterday that was forty

596
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: five hundred names got leaked YEP, with info in them,

597
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: so they can't be anonymous. We have to take that

598
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: and run with it.

599
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, legal disclaimer, we are not advocating legal actions here.

600
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: We are simply not doing this.

601
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying anything is possible if you believe.

602
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, however, coma what other people do with this data

603
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: is or something we can really control it exists now, Yeah.

604
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: I actually think it would be a shame if we

605
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: did something with that.

606
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, now, speaking of doing things with our data,

607
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was probably supposed to have taken

608
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 3: like two outbreaks right now, but fuck it, we're gonna

609
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: We're doing one here. I believe in us, and we

610
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: are back now. One of the bleak things something that

611
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: you want to talk about, Alie, is that the conditions

612
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: that we're seeing here are things that have already killed people,

613
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: and that the danger here compounds. The more risk you're at,

614
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 3: the more you know, for a few again, but to

615
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: take to take it. To take a completely non abstract example,

616
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: if you need seizure meds twice a day when you

617
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: might die, the odds of terrible stuff happening to you increases.

618
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, can we talk a bit about the other

619
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: people who if this has already fucking happened to.

620
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's so many, and we can't name

621
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: them all because we don't know all of their names

622
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: because again we don't have all the proper data. We

623
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: only know some things. But that's why we're part of

624
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: a big part of this campaign has been asking people

625
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: to put pressure on congress people to release Albero, to

626
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: show that we're not going to give up on him

627
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: the way that other people have just been given up

628
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: on and died in detention, and that we're going to

629
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: work relentlessly to get him out because he matters. But

630
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, as ICE escalates its attainments across the country

631
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: and in the Midwest, specifically in Ohio and Minnesota and

632
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: all these places Chicago, Minneapolis, Columbus, what happens to him,

633
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: so that's a precedent for others, the same way that

634
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: what's been happening to other immigrants. Has set the precedent

635
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: that this is going to keep happening, you know, showing

636
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: that Ice can't just take someone and disappear and get

637
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: away with it really matters for everyone else. People are

638
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: watching for every immigrant detained recently and everything that ICE

639
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: is rolling out and this is God the I don't

640
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: even know I've lost pack because the numbers keep changing

641
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: and growing. I wanted to say that the second person

642
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: that we know of that that Renee was the second

643
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: person that we knew of that Ice had murdered since

644
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve. But it wouldn't be surprising if there are,

645
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, so many. There's just so many immigrants who

646
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: have died in Pestidina are currently dying in fusity, which

647
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: is what we're trying to prevent. For Alberto and like

648
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: in La I still keep Porter in his own home. Meanwhile,

649
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, in Chicago or now I guess Indiana, because

650
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: that's where they're keeping him. They're violating and detaining families

651
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: like Albero's who have done nothing to deserve this treatment.

652
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: We saw a forty four year old woman, Marie and

653
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: Blaze from Haiti who died in a US ice facility

654
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: two or three weeks ago, after being detained since February

655
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five, I believe who was captured and

656
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: taken into custody at an airport outside of US territories

657
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: and you know, once again showing ices lack of regard

658
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: for the law, just total lawlessness. She was transferred to

659
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: Louisiana and then somewhere else where she died after vocalizing

660
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: trust pain. And as far as I know, she didn't

661
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: go in with the disability, she didn't go in with

662
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: health condition. But the conditions are so horrifying there that

663
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: that is just to be expected, which is terrible, and

664
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: this dangerous pattern can't continue to unfold. We don't want

665
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: this to be Albero and his family's reality, nor any

666
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: immigrants living nightmare. You know, like this is such a

667
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: community issue across the world, Like every one of the

668
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: people connected to anyone who has died in ice attention

669
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: is impacted for the rest of their life by this,

670
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, Like it's what I was saying when I said,

671
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: people who have immigrant family, we can't just go about

672
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: business as usual. Every day I wake up and I

673
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: don't know if something is going to happen to one

674
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: or all of my loved ones who might be targeted

675
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: by virtue of having dark skin, which is not a crime,

676
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: but in America we're trying to make it one. And

677
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: like again, we don't want this to happen to Albero.

678
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: He's a community member. Everyone in the community is saddened.

679
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: He's a father, he is an uncle, he is a husband.

680
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: His wife is so upset and so worried and doesn't

681
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: understand why this is happening, because to her, he is

682
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: a man who goes to work day and night to

683
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: help his family, to provide for his family, and there

684
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: just is absolutely no reason for him to be in there.

685
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: And she was originally in detention too, they were both detained,

686
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: but they let her out, and that also feels like

687
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: part of the cruelty, you know, part of the cruelty,

688
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: and the conditions of dyeing in ice custody are also

689
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: rooted in being separated from hair.

690
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and love.

691
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: They let her out, you know. Probably we don't know,

692
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: We have no idea why. We can't begin to imagine

693
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: our guests, but it probably has something to do with

694
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: separating them because it makes the experience more expruciating.

695
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, as as bleak as the situation is,

696
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: and it's really really fucking bad, we do in terms

697
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: of being able to turn this a try to save

698
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: one person's life and be use this as a precedent

699
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: we can use to fucking try to get other people out.

700
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: There is a legal advantage we have here that we

701
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: don't in most places, which is, Yeah, as you were

702
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: talking about earlier, this stop was so illegal. They literally

703
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 3: did a whole bunch of things that they were specifically

704
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: ordered by a judge not to do. Yes, and that

705
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: gives us, That gives us a little bit of hope

706
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: in a situation where it allows us to put pressure

707
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: in ways that normally, like would be very very difficulty.

708
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: So can you talk a bit more about.

709
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: That the NAVA consent decree.

710
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like or how it can be deployed here.

711
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so right, there was nothing remotely legal

712
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: about what they did. The NAVA Consent decree that exists

713
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: in Chicago specifically, you know, limits ICE's ability to carry

714
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: out warrantless arrests and vehicle stops. They require predetermined fallible cause,

715
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: with the most recent rulings enforcing that despite constant violations

716
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: by ice, but you know, groups like the National Immigrant

717
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Justice Center used that to successfully challenge those violations, leading

718
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: to potential releases and actual releases for people who have

719
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: been detained and orders for officers being retrained.

720
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: Which I mean, they're just gonna be doing it, right,

721
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 3: but like they're just gonna keep doing it.

722
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: But you know, wait, what happened in Minneapolis for example

723
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: with Renee and good they got in trouble. Actually the

724
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: officers had something sent to them to remind them, like, hey,

725
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: so you actually like can't do things the way that

726
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: you did, and things like the NAVI consent decree. Right,

727
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: they cause problems because you can wave around a paper

728
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: and say hey, like you can't do this, and like

729
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: is it kind of as fake as the constitution in

730
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: some ways? Yeah, like they kind of don't care about it. Yeah,

731
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: But it is the tool that can be used by

732
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: lawyers like the wonderful immigration lawyers that we have on

733
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: our team, and we have Pala and and who are

734
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: or the immigration attorneys helping Alberto and his wife, and

735
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: they can use that like they've filed a habeas and

736
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: they can use all of this evidence of how they

737
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: were illegally detained and violated without any grounds to push

738
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: back and say you need to release him immediately.

739
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: The piece of paper for the judge does give us

740
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: a little bit of openings here. And could you explain

741
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: to people, like what you know what people listening to

742
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: the show right now can do to help here?

743
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I would say two folds. If we

744
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: are looking at Alberto's case and his family's case, they're

745
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: is a crowd fund that they can donate to. I

746
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: can send you the link that you can share.

747
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will link in the description.

748
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: We really need people to donate to that. Again, Renee

749
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: and Good was able to her wife was able to

750
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: raise one point four million dollars in a day, and well,

751
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: I am hoping and have faith that they will redistribute

752
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: that to other people in need who are impacted by

753
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: situations like this. It doesn't really feel great to see

754
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: white people get all that money when we can't even

755
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: push past fourteen thousand dollars for Albero. So we really

756
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: need people to donate. There is also a change dot

757
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: org petition for people to sign. We have a few

758
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: thousand people who have signed it, but we need more.

759
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: Asking for Congress to pressure Ice to release him. This

760
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: would also be monumental for other immigrants and attention. Yeah,

761
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: if we can use this as a case study, we

762
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: know what we can get done through people power, through

763
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: sheer will, and through not allowing things to just fall

764
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: through the cracks of social media because you're too busy

765
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: doom scrolling. That being said, what people can also do

766
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 1: is they can post. I mean, I think that people

767
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: should doom scroll less if it means that their nervous

768
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: systems will be more regulated so that they can go

769
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: up to defend community members and protect community members. But

770
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: if what you have is your phone in bed and

771
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: you're scrolling post fair, let people know what is happening.

772
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: Refuse to be silent, refuse to just go about your

773
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: day business as usual. Talk about things. Let them know

774
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: that people see what's happening and they're paying attention. And

775
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: we are not going to just let people be disappeared

776
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: or killed and die in detention. We are not going

777
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: to abandon vulnerable people. I every single one of us

778
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: as the opportunity to use our voice. You don't have

779
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: to be me, you don't have to be a well

780
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: known person who has large platforms. Every single one of

781
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: us has a community that we can activate at any time.

782
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: You text five people and tell them about something that

783
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: is being done to someone, and they text five people,

784
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: and they text five people. That's the entire world. Baby, Like,

785
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: we got this shit.

786
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: I believe we can appropriate pubids, keep tactics to help people.

787
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: I believe in us.

788
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: Pete Seeger said, solidarity forever. Okay, I believe that we

789
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: will win. If what you do is make memes, make

790
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: a meme, make a copy pasta, make a copy pasta

791
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: and send it to people. Like if your method is

792
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: shit posting, sure, take whatever you got and find a

793
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: way to spread the news. And you know, do it

794
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: for other immigrants too, you know, do it for do

795
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: it for whoever. But the more you speak out, the

796
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: more you make it possible for other people to speak out, Yeah,

797
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: because they realize they're not going to be the only

798
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: ones even if they're afraid to say something.

799
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's hard, it's harder to crack down on everyone. Sure.

800
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: And also the more you show people like I actually

801
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: have no idea. If he knows how much support he has,

802
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: I would love for him to know that so that

803
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: it helps him to get through. I know he knows

804
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: that he has his family's support, and that's a lot.

805
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: That's more than enough. But I would also, you know,

806
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: love for people to just really like hair for immigrants

807
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: and non white people in general right now who are

808
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: on this soil that we call, you know, the land

809
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: of the United States, because basically, anyone who is not

810
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: white right now is terrified of what might happen to

811
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: them if they're on the wrong street at the wrong time,

812
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: and they're rolling out these terror campaigns in Oregon and

813
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: Columbus and Minneapolis and Chicago and New York. I knew

814
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: they were going to escalate things in New York after

815
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: Zoron took office, because it's a great excuse. Everyone is

816
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: terrified right now. And the best thing that you can

817
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: do is show up every day and be human to

818
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: each other. Buy someone a coffee, like offer to just

819
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: listen to a non white person in your life, take

820
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: an anti racism course up as a human being who

821
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: cares about other human beings, because that is the thing

822
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: that matters most. When I think about stories that we

823
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: have from way back in history, like all just flag

824
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, Anne Frank, because that's the one that everyone knows.

825
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: The thing that mattered for her. The thing that kept

826
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: her alive for longer than she could have maybe been

827
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: alive is people being human to each other. Like, I

828
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: think that's such an underrated way to show up, and

829
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: we take it for granted every day because we don't

830
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: consider always how our smallest actions impact each other. And

831
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: the truth is that your smallest actions could be the

832
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: difference between someone losing their life or not.

833
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I'm to close this by doing

834
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: as this tradition about what in every twelve episodes I

835
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: do answer something from the fucking and Darnamic manifesto. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

836
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: this is the he has this lie, hecauys. Remember that

837
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: the frontiers of the rebellion is everywhere, and even the

838
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: smallest act if insurrection pushes our lines forward, and it does, right,

839
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: It's impossible to know until it happens what the single

840
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: push that makes the damn break is going to be.

841
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: But it will be something, yeah, And it is literally

842
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: impossible to tell what it's going to be until you

843
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: know the The The only way you can find out

844
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: if the action that you are taking is going to

845
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: be the one that knocks everything over is by doing it.

846
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: So go do.

847
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, we owe each other everything, and I'm gonna

848
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something kind of silly because I am

849
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: who I am. But this is one of my favorite

850
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: songs in the world. And this is a Shrek reference.

851
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: Oh my God, all.

852
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: Star by smash Mouth, Like you know all Flickwitters's gold

853
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: only shooting Stars, break the mold. You'll never know if

854
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: you don't go, You'll never shine if you don't go.

855
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: Like that, it's a directive. That's a directive. I think

856
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: we should listen to smash Mouth and we should try.

857
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: We should just try for each other. I take that

858
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: song very serious.

859
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: You know, I really, really truly. When I was planning

860
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: this episode like a week ago, it did not think

861
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: it was going to end with and Or and Shrek.

862
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: But you know, this is why you could never look.

863
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 3: You never know how things are going to go, and

864
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: sometimes they end well. Yeah, Allie, do you have anything

865
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: else that you want to make sure people know? And

866
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: where can people find you?

867
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't have anything else that I think people should know.

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Speaker 1: People can find me on Instagram at literally l I

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Speaker 1: T E R E l l Y like literally but

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Speaker 1: with my name E.

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Speaker 3: L L Y incredible. Well, we'll have this in the

872
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Speaker 3: description too great.

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Speaker 1: That's been my username everywhere on social media since I

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Speaker 1: was fifteen, so it's been sixteen years. People are always like,

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Speaker 1: how did you get that user name gil gil baby?

876
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: You had to you had to be on on Twitter

877
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: as a as a kid. But yeah, that's that's It's

878
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: my same username everywhere. I have a newsletter that you

879
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: could find on my social media where I write about

880
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: community care and what we owe to each other. I'm

881
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: way less concerned about people being able to find me

882
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: except to just, you know, go go share the campaigns

883
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: that I've shared on my page for Alberto and other immigrants,

884
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: because I am constantly sharing things. If you know, this

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Speaker 1: helps me to get more of a plot so that

886
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Speaker 1: people share more of the crucial campaigns that I share.

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Speaker 1: That is great. My main concern is I don't need

888
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: to be seen or heard or listened to any more

889
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: than is necessary to get people to take action to

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00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: help more vulnerable people than me. But if people also

891
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: want to listen to things I have to say, or

892
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: go for it. I quote Mashmouth a lot, and I'm

893
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: very gay.

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Speaker 3: We love to see it. Okay, this has been it

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Speaker 3: could happen here a podcast done by the girl who

896
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 3: posted iost be destroyed after every single post for eight

897
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: goddamn years. And now we're here, so let's go fight.

898
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: And now we're here, and for its ebooks, everything happens

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 4: Yes, welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis.

901
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 4: Last September, President Trump announced a federal crackdown on left

902
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: wing radical terrorism by signing an executive order dubbing quote

903
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 4: unquote Antifa a domestic terrorist organization and directing federal law

904
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Speaker 4: enforcement to investigate potential federal crimes related to political violence,

905
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Speaker 4: especially stemming from quote anti Americanism, anti capitalism, anti Christianity,

906
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 4: and hostility towards traditional American values. Last month, the FBI

907
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 4: claimed one of their first big victories against so called

908
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 4: Antifa terrorism since Trump's National security directive. On December twelfth,

909
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 4: the FBI arrested four people in southern California, who the

910
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: government claims are members of a far left group called

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00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 4: the Turtle Island Liberation Front. The criminal complaint, signed on

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Speaker 4: December thirteenth by an FBI agent working at the Joint

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Speaker 4: Terrorism Task Force office in Los Angeles, alleges that these

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Speaker 4: four individuals conspired to construct and detonate a series of

915
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Speaker 4: bombs in southern California on New Year's Eve twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: The four defendants were first charged with conspiracy and possession

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Speaker 4: of an unregistered destructive device. Then on December twenty third,

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Speaker 4: a federal grand jury indicted them on additional terrorism related felonies.

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Speaker 4: Here's a brief clip from the FBI press conference announcing

920
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Speaker 4: the arrests where First Assistant US Attorney Bill Assley compared

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Speaker 4: the Turtle Island Liberation Front group to Antifa.

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Speaker 3: This case is another reminder about the dangers that radicalized

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Speaker 3: Antifa like groups posed to public safety and the rule

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Speaker 3: of law.

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Speaker 4: In court documents, the defendants are not just referred to

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Speaker 4: by their eagle names, but also by their direct action

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Speaker 4: or signal code names. Audrey Eileen Carrol aka Asanach or

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00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 4: Black Moon, Zachary Aaron Paige aka ak Ash Carrington or

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00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 4: Cuthulhu's Daughter, Dante Garfield aka Nomad, and Tina Laie aka

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Speaker 4: kickwere The criminal complaint states that after forming the initial

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Speaker 4: bombing plan, Carol and Page recruited additional co conspirators who

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Speaker 4: participated in further planning meetings and helped procure bomb making materials.

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Speaker 4: On December twelfth, the four defendants traveled to a remote

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Speaker 4: location in the Mohave Desert with the alleged intent to

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Speaker 4: build and test explosive devices. An undercover FBI agent was

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Speaker 4: present at the testing site and a surveillance plane observed

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Speaker 4: from overhead. Before the defendants completed assembling a functional explosive device,

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Speaker 4: the FBI arrested Carol, Paige Garfield, and Lie. From the

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Speaker 4: court documents that are currently available, the earliest allusion to

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Speaker 4: this New Year's Eve bombing plot is in a signal

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Speaker 4: message dated November twenty fourth, twenty twenty five, allegedly from

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Speaker 4: one of the defendants, Audrey Eileen Carroll, to whom they

943
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Speaker 4: believed was a genuine co conspirator but was actually a

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Speaker 4: confidential human source working with law enforcement. According to the indictment,

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Speaker 4: this alleged signal message from Carol stated that she and

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Speaker 4: quote unquote four comrades were planning to go to the

947
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Speaker 4: desert from December eleventh to December thirteenth, twenty twenty five,

948
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Speaker 4: to quote test the items we are going to use

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Speaker 4: for those party plans unquote. This message references pre existing

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00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 4: quote unquote party plans, which any prior origin of has

951
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 4: not yet been elaborated on. This confidential Human Source appears

952
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 4: to be an individual embedded in the Los Angeles activist scene.

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Speaker 4: The criminal complaint describes them like this quote. The confidential

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00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 4: Human Source is cooperating with law enforcement and is a

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Speaker 4: validated and vetted source. The Confidential Human Source has been

956
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 4: a reliable source information since in or around August twenty

957
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 4: twenty one. The confidential Human Source is cooperating for financial compensation.

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00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 4: The confidential Human Source does not have any criminal history.

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00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 4: The Confidential Human Source provided past reliable reporting on other

960
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 4: cases and has provided reliable reporting in this case.

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Speaker 2: Unquote.

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Speaker 4: The quote unquote. Turtle Island Liberation Front appears to be

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00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 4: a relatively new group with a social media footprint that

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Speaker 4: only goes back to July twenty twenty five. The Instagram

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00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: bio for their LA chapter reads quote liberation through decolonization

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Speaker 4: and tribal sovereignty.

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01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 4: Their most recent post, from December twelfth, the day of

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Speaker 4: the arrests, is promoting a quote unquote Palestine pop up

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01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 4: market in Culver City. A post from November twenty eighth

971
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 4: reads quote if they hurt you, they hurt me too.

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01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 4: Our destinies are intertwined. Liberation for one must mean liberation

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01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 4: for all. The empire must fall, and from within the

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01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 4: belly of the beast, we must be the ones to

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Speaker 4: dismantle it. Revolution is the only way stop quote unquote

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01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 4: peaceful protesting, rise up, fight back. We are not outnumbered.

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 4: They are organize and be ready unquote. As news of

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01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 4: this group and the bombing plot spread around the Internet

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01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 4: last month among the left, there was a lot of

980
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 4: skepticism pointed at the authenticity of the story and the

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01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: Turtle Island Liberation Front grid group itself, with questions pointed

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01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 4: at its name and some language used in their social

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01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 4: media posts. The name derives from a term that some

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01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 4: Indigenous tribes used to describe the North American continent and

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01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 4: is common language among a certain sect of quote unquote

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 4: land back activists. The Liberation Front moniker has been used

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 4: by a collection of direct action based groups, most notably

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01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 4: the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front in

989
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 4: the two thousands. Though the Turtle Island Liberation Front group

990
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to have been a formalized activist group for

991
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 4: very long, there were genuine people involved with this group,

992
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 4: as evidenced by there being for defendants in this criminal case.

993
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 4: The Turtle Island Liberation Front Instagram account was run by

994
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 4: one of these defendants, and the language used in their

995
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 4: posts is not uncommon among the quote unquote anti imperialists

996
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 4: whose ideology is grown in influence among the American left

997
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 4: during Israel's genocide in Palestine. And though both an FBI

998
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 4: informant and an undercover employee played a part in this investigation,

999
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 4: the group seems to have contained a collection of genuine

1000
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 4: individuals who have participated in the wider Los Angeles activist

1001
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 4: scene and especially anti Israel protests. The indictment and criminal

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01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 4: complaint outlined the material steps that defendants allegedly took to

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01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 4: detail the plans of this bombing plot and procure materials

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01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 4: to construct explosive devices without material support from FBI sources

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01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 4: or undercover employees. All the information in the indictment and

1006
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 4: criminal complaint is alleged, and all the defendants should be

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01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 4: considered innocent until proven guilty. The indictment claims that Carol

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01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 4: set up an in person meeting for November twenty sixth

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01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 4: to discuss the bombing plot with another allegedly Island Liberation

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01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 4: Front member Zachary Aaron Page, and the Confidential Human Source,

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01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 4: who were instructed to quote where casual block no devices.

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01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 4: If you can't leave it at home, have it turned

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 4: off and wrapped in tinfoil makeshift Faraday bag.

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Speaker 2: Quote.

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Speaker 4: During this in person meeting, Carol allegedly distributed an eight

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01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 4: page handwritten document titled Operation Midnight Sun, outlining the plan

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01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 4: for the bombing to both the Confidential Human Source and

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01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 4: co defendant Zachary Page. Carol allegedly retained two to four

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01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 4: additional copies of the handwritten plan. The indictment says that

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01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 4: Carol explained that the document was handwritten because she quote

1021
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 4: did not want any traces of the attack plan on

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01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 4: a computer. After this meeting, Carol allegedly sent an encrypted

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01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 4: message to the Confidential Human Source about the bomb testing

1024
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 4: camp out in the desert. Quote this trip is very spicy, LOL.

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01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 4: Will be testing the things were going to make for December,

1026
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 4: like the things in the instructions on that document I

1027
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 4: gave you. Testing first is important so we know how

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01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 4: well they work, lol unquote. The plan was for teams

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01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 4: of four on the ground participants to plant backpacks containing

1030
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 4: quote unquote complex pipe bombs or IED's improvised closive devices

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01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 4: outside of buildings at five locations targeting two US companies,

1032
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 4: and then simultaneously detonate the bombs at midnight on New

1033
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 4: Year's Eve twenty twenty five. There would be one off

1034
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 4: the ground member assisting the teams remotely by listening to

1035
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 4: police scanners or stationed in a vehicle in case quote

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01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 4: an emergency getaway is needed unquote, and one member of

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01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 4: each on the ground team would create graffiti of quote

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01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 4: a red triangle and one message of the teams, choosing

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01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 4: on the sidewalk closest to the building while the other

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 4: three are placing the devices.

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 4: The indictment claims that the handwritten plan also instructed co

1043
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 4: conspirators quote, once you plant your IEDs, if there is

1044
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 4: any time to safely do so, dump an accelerant around

1045
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 4: the premises, such as gasoline for added effect. We want

1046
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 4: to do as much damage as possible unquote. The plan

1047
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 4: identified five target locations as quote unquote marks with five

1048
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 4: more blank slots captioned add more if enough comrades. The

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01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 4: criminal complaint states that these targets were quote property and

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01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 4: facilities operated by two separate companies that are used or

1051
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 4: engaged in activities affecting interstate and foreign commerce.

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01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: Unquote.

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01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 4: I'm going to quote from three sections of the criminal

1054
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 4: complaint that outline some of the opsec or operational security

1055
01:05:55,080 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 4: precautions that are allegedly included in this handwritten plan. Quote.

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01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 4: The plan described multiple operational security measures the co conspirators

1057
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 4: should take to conceal their identities, such as the use

1058
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 4: of a burner phone that would be disposed of after

1059
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 4: the bombings by quote submerging it in a concrete brick

1060
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 4: after destroying the sim and then disposing of the brick

1061
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 4: in a body of water unquote. The target date of

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01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 4: the operation, New Year's Eve, was identified as an opportune

1063
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,479
Speaker 4: time because quote fireworks will be going off at this time,

1064
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 4: so explosions will be less likely to be noticed as

1065
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 4: immediately as any normal day unquote. The plan emphasized that

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01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 4: quote absolutely no mistakes can be made.

1067
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: Quote.

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 4: The plans outline the use of quote unquote black block

1069
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 4: over top of a layer of quote gray slash casual

1070
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 4: block on top of normal street clothes, and noted to

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01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 4: keep hair very tightly concealed, and to wear gloves for

1072
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 4: the purpose of avoidance of leaving behind DNA. The plan

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01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 4: further instructed that participants should leave their personal devices at

1074
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 4: home and to make sure the devices were set up

1075
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Speaker 4: to stream a long movie during the time of the attacks,

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01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 4: as so to craft an alibi or quote unquote, plausible

1077
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 4: deniability by having it appear as though the actor was

1078
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 4: actively using their devices. The plan discussed pre operational surveillance

1079
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 4: of targets, identification of D block or D clothing locations,

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01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 4: and not leaving quote anything other than the IED's behind unquote,

1081
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 4: as they could not quote risk any evidence tracing back

1082
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 4: to us unquote. The plan also noted the benefit of

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Speaker 4: placing a small pebble in a shoe to alter natural

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Speaker 4: gait to obfuscate their identification. Instructions on how to purchase

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01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 4: materials to construct a pipe bomb suggested using cash only,

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01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 4: purchasing in small quantities to avoid suspicion, and splitting purchases

1087
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 4: amongst a team rather than individually. In addition into the

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01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 4: plan of action and operational security tactics, detailed instructions were

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01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 4: provided on the components required to build a pipe bomb,

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01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 4: as well as how to create homemade gunpowder. On December second,

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01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,480
Speaker 4: there was another in person meeting between the law enforcement

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01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 4: source Carol and Page, as well as two other co conspirators,

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01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 4: to go over the plan. They met again on December

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 4: seventh to review the bombing plot an allegedly discussed intent

1095
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 4: to conduct future attacks against federal offices. This meeting was

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01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 4: also attended by an undercover FBI employee who was being

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01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 4: recruited to join the operation. The undercover asked Carol about

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01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 4: the black powder instructions in the handwritten plan, and Carol

1099
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 4: responded that she conducted the recent search herself and discussed

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01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 4: wanting to test several different types of bomb to determine

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01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 4: which could quote unquote completely pulverize their assigned building on

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 4: New Year's Eve. To quote the criminal complaint quote, Carol

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01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 4: stated that she had acquired some components thirteen PVC pipes

1104
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 4: and that she had bought potassium nitrate on Amazon using

1105
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 4: a burner account that was scheduled to be delivered on

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01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 4: December eleventh, twenty twenty five. During this in person meeting,

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01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 4: Carol confirmed that she operated the Turnal Island Liberation Front

1108
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 4: Instagram account and that she had met a co conspirator

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01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 4: through said Instagram account. The indictment claims that Carol told

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01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,879
Speaker 4: co conspirators in this meeting quote what we are about

1111
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 4: to do that's gonna be like a Luigi level situation unquote,

1112
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 4: and that it was time for America to fall, and

1113
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 4: that America falling will make Israel fall. According to the indictment,

1114
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 4: during this December seventh meeting, Page told attendees again, including

1115
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 4: an undercover FBI employee, that they were doing everything quote

1116
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,799
Speaker 4: to be as clean as possible because one hundred thousand

1117
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 4: percent the FBI is gonna be like on that shit. Yeah,

1118
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 4: so we all know what we're getting into unquote. In person,

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01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 4: Page outlined some of the operational security precautions to avoid

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01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 4: law enforcement detection, like covering shoes with socks to cover

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 4: shoe prints, and burning shoes after the bombing. Page also

1122
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 4: allegedly asked attendees if they would like to receive firearms

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01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 4: training from a group that held a training about a

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01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 4: month prior, and Carol said that she had a contact

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 4: who could obtain unregistered ars. This wasn't the first time

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01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 4: Turtle Island Liberation Front members allegedly brought up firearms. The

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 4: indictment claims that on quote December third, twenty twenty five,

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01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 4: defended an page using an encrypted messaging application, asked the

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01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 4: confidential human source if the human source was interested in

1130
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:12,440
Speaker 4: receiving firearms training. Explaining his plan to shoot ICE officials

1131
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 4: in a voice message to the Confidential Human source, defendant

1132
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 4: Page stated quote, I just had this day dream. I

1133
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 4: was like, we're just patrolling or whatever, and we're strapped

1134
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 4: right and we see ICE trying to pull up on

1135
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 4: someone or a group of people, and we just like

1136
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 4: roll up on them, like strapped up, and we're like, nah,

1137
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 4: get the fuck out of here. They're gonna get shot

1138
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 4: if they try to do anything like, we shoot first,

1139
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 4: we ask questions later. That's the policy. I told that

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01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 4: too in Brackets Defendant Carol. Defendant Carol knows all about this,

1141
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 4: and Brackets Defending Carol was like, yeah, let's fucking do it.

1142
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 4: But I'm like, seriously, that is what's needed. Maybe if

1143
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 4: ICE agents they're like, wait, I don't want to get

1144
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 4: fucking shot right now, they ain't gonna do it. And

1145
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 4: if they still try to do it, well, well guess what.

1146
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 4: Welcome to the dirt, motherfucker.

1147
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 2: Unquote.

1148
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 4: After sending this voice message, Page told the Confidential Human source, quote,

1149
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 4: let me know when you listen. So I can delete

1150
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 4: it unquote. Small lines like that are part of what

1151
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 4: I find really interesting in this Turtle Island Liberation front case,

1152
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 4: because the indictment and criminal complaint are just full of

1153
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 4: the defendants recommending these security folklore practices like setting up

1154
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 4: your phone to stream a long movie to create an alibi,

1155
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 4: and placing a small pebble in your shoe to alter

1156
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 4: your gait, deleting these messages after you send them, which

1157
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 4: they're trying to do, all while working with not just

1158
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 4: an FBI informant but also an undercover agent. During the

1159
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 4: December seventh in person meeting, Page and Carol discussed plans

1160
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 4: for future attacks after this New Year's Eve bombing plot,

1161
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 4: specifically a plan to target ICE agents and vehicles with

1162
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 4: hype bombs starting around January or February twenty twenty six,

1163
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 4: with Carol noting in the meeting quote that would definitely

1164
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 4: take some of them out and would probably scare the

1165
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 4: rest of them unquote. Now, following this meeting, more co conspirators,

1166
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 4: including an undercover FBI employee, were added to the signal

1167
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 4: group chat called the Order of the Black Lotus, which

1168
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 4: Carol described as the radical faction of the Turtle Island

1169
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 4: Liberation Front and which Page described as quote unquote super underground.

1170
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,919
Speaker 4: The indictment contains some alleged messages sent to an encrypted

1171
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 4: group chat. It's unclear this is specifically the Order of

1172
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 4: the Black Lotus chat or another Turtle Island Liberation Front

1173
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 4: related chat, but I will read through some of these messages.

1174
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 3: Quote.

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01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 4: Page messaged co conspirators, including defendants Carol and Garfield quote

1176
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 4: death to Israel, death to the USA, death to colonizers,

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01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 4: death to settler colonialism. In response to defendant Pages message,

1178
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 4: defendant Carol stated, quote death to them all, burn it

1179
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,959
Speaker 4: all down, three burning heart emojis unquote. Defendant Carol messaged

1180
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 4: co conspirators, including Page and Garfield, quote I identify as

1181
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,520
Speaker 4: a terrorist and I am a Hamas fangirl.

1182
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 2: Unquote.

1183
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 4: Garfield messaged co conspirators, including Carol and Paige, quote I

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 4: am here to destroy Zionism by any means necessary. Real

1185
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 4: activism equals destroying Zionism by any means necessary, even if

1186
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 4: it's risky. If you aren't willing to die for or

1187
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 4: lose your freedom, then you're just another toy in the machine.

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01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 2: Unquote.

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01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,719
Speaker 4: Carol messaged. Quote glory to the martyr's death to Israel

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01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 4: three salute emojis, and on December third, defendant Carol told

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01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 4: the confidential human source quote, these fucking SJA you peaceful

1192
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 4: protest libs are insane, Like it's wild to me that

1193
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 4: I've seen state violence enacted on some people like that

1194
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,839
Speaker 4: and they still think they can keep going with peaceful

1195
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 4: protest bs and indirect roots unquote. Defendants used the BLACKLOADUS

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01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 4: group chat what Carol described as quote our group for

1197
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:24,759
Speaker 4: everything radical unquote, to discuss sourcing bomb making parts including

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01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 4: cotton string and PVC pipes, as well as coordinates for

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01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 4: the explosives testing site in the desert quote where we

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01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 4: will set up camp and where we will test unquote.

1201
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 4: On the afternoon of December tenth, Page messaged the group

1202
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 4: about just having acquired two parts for the bomb recipe

1203
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 4: and that starter would be picked up later that day.

1204
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 4: Page was under FBI surveillance around the time this message

1205
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 4: was sent, and fifteen minutes prior to sending this message,

1206
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 4: Page was seen grabbing a package from an Amazon pickup location.

1207
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 4: Hours later, FBI agent's watched Page by pistol primers from

1208
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 4: a store in Irving, California. Quote dressed in a manner

1209
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 4: to obscure pages identity, namely wearing a medical mask, gloves,

1210
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 4: ball cap, and longsleeve shirt. To quote the criminal complaint,

1211
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 4: Carol replied to Page's messages about obtaining more items from

1212
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 4: the ingredient's list, writing that another package was quote already delivered,

1213
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 4: got to pick it up tomorrow, but yay with four

1214
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 4: whys unquote. The criminal complaint says that quote. According to

1215
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 4: Amazon records, on December seventh, twenty twenty five, Carol purchased

1216
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,799
Speaker 4: two five pound bags of potassium nitrate ninety nine percent

1217
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 4: pure prilled Kno three five pounds for industrial and technical

1218
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 4: applications to be delivered to the Amazon counter at the

1219
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 4: Whole Foods located at three three seven seven South La

1220
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 4: Sienna Boulevard, Los Angeles, California. The potassium nitrate was delivered

1221
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 4: on December eleventh, twenty twenty five.

1222
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: Unquote.

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01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 4: In early December, Carol messaged the confidential human source on

1224
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 4: signal a list of components chemicals and tools, along with

1225
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 4: prices of the required items. Several of these components were

1226
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 4: either listed as already purchased or designated to be acquired

1227
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 4: by another quote unquote Comrade Carol advised the confidential human

1228
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 4: source quote with the list, write it and down when

1229
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 4: you have some time, then I'll delete that message, so

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01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 4: it's no in the chat, a'll well.

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01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 3: Quote.

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01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 4: Carol also told the confidential Human source that they should

1233
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 4: get some burner phones quote unquote bought with cash only

1234
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 4: for the bomb testing camp out in the desert. Page

1235
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 4: instructed the group to only bring two burner phones to

1236
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 4: use in case of emergencies and for directions on the

1237
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 4: way out to quote the complaint quote. Once everyone arrived,

1238
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 4: their phones would be put in a small cardboard box

1239
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 4: completely sealed with aluminum. The phones would not be returned

1240
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 4: until the caravan was out of the campsite and back

1241
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 4: on the main road. Quote forgetting to the desert, Page

1242
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 4: wrote that each navigator should have a burner phone, quoting

1243
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 4: page in the complaint quote no phones besides burners, and

1244
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 4: all phones except navigators to be wrapped in foil or

1245
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 4: a Faraday bag for the entirety of the trip and

1246
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 4: install OSM. And it is an open source maps, so

1247
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 4: no corporate tracking unquote. Garfield wrote, quote, I have a

1248
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 4: few burners, but I'm saving for the big event, the

1249
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 4: big party, celebrate emoji quote. On December tenth, Carol sent

1250
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,919
Speaker 4: the Confidential Human Source a message on signal, reading quote,

1251
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 4: I kind of hand this notebook where I wrote down

1252
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 4: multiple plans that never happened or got delayed, so it's

1253
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 4: like my terrorist diary. Lmaoooo. I have to get rid

1254
01:18:51,680 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 4: of that unquote. On the morning of December twelfth, twenty

1255
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Speaker 4: twenty five, Carol, Page, Garfield, and Lye traveled to the

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01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 4: desert in two vehicles, the Confidential Human Source in one

1257
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 4: car and the undercover in the other. To quote from

1258
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 4: the complaint quote. In the undercover vehicle, Page discussed using

1259
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 4: cigarettes as a delayed fusing device for the explosives. Once

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01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 4: they arrived in the desert, in the other vehicle, Carol

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01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 4: explained to Lie that the day's events were meant as

1262
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 4: a test run for the New Year's Eve bombing plot,

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01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 4: which Carol described in detail, stating, quote, what we're doing

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01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 4: will be considered a terrorist act unquote. In response to

1265
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 4: Carroll's detailing of the New Year's Eve plot, Lie asked

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01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 4: if there would be any people at the bombing target locations.

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01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 4: Carol responded in the negative, but noted that if they

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01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 4: saw any people such as a security guard at any

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01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 4: of the locations they would warn them. At approximately ten

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01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 4: one am, the co conspirators arrived at the desert and

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01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 4: began setting up a campsite including tents and tables based

1272
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 4: on information from the undercover and confidential human source. Carol

1273
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 4: Page and lie All brought bomb making components to the campsite,

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01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 4: including various sizes of PVC pipes, suspected potassium nitrate, charcoal,

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01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 4: charcoal powder, sulfur powder, and material to be used as fuses,

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01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 4: among others. After the undercover alerted law enforcement with a

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01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,799
Speaker 4: predetermined signal indicating that bomb testing was imminent, FBI personnel

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01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 4: intervened and placed Carol Paige, Garfield, and Lye into custody.

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01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 4: This is a clip from the law enforcement press conference

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01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 4: announcing the arrests with a Keel Davis, Assistant Director in

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01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 4: charge of the FBI Los Angeles Field Office.

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01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 7: On December twelfth, a group of individuals, again members of

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01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 7: this antigovernment group, traveled out to the desert to test

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01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 7: their explosive devices. They had precursor can mmicals there and

1285
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 7: they were going to make They were going to create

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01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 7: these these bombs in the desert. What they are starting

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01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 7: to do is put their chemicals and wares and the

1288
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 7: components out on the on the table on the table there.

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01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 7: This footage that you're watching is from our surveillance plane.

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01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,440
Speaker 7: And then what happened after this is the Los Angeles

1291
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 7: FBI SWAT team, along with the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team

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01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,799
Speaker 7: moved in and arrested all four subjects without without incident.

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01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 4: The criminal complaint notes at the end that quote based

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Speaker 4: on conversations with the bomb technician. While no quote unquote

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Speaker 4: end caps were found at the campsite, the co conspirators

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Speaker 4: could have improvised using other material to plug the end

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Speaker 4: of the PBC pipe, though such method would have been

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Speaker 4: less effective than using a proper end cap. As noted above,

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Speaker 4: there were also sufficient parts to create several molotov cocktail

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Speaker 4: devices quote. After the arrests, law enforcement also raided the

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Speaker 4: homes of the Turtle Island Liberation Front members. In Page's residence,

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Speaker 4: police found a copy of the handwritten attack plan Operation

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Speaker 4: Midnight Sun. That same day, December twelfth, another Turtle Island

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Speaker 4: Liberation Front related arrest was made all the way in Louisiana.

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Speaker 4: A former marine who was member of the Order of

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Speaker 4: the Black Lotus Signal group under the name Darkwitch. She

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Speaker 4: her who was also planning to instruct the group on

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Speaker 4: quote urban tactics, accuracy, and combat shooting. She was arrested

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Speaker 4: while driving from New Iberia to New Orleans with a rifle, handgun,

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Speaker 4: gas canister, and body armour. The FBI believes that she

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Speaker 4: was going to carry out an attack based on a

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Speaker 4: Facebook post commenting on a border patrol rest in New

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Speaker 4: Orleans captioned quote shit time to recreate Waco, Texas with

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Speaker 4: these fuckers thuck Ice unquote. Three of the defendants in

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Speaker 4: the Los Angeles case, Paige, Carol and Lai, have pled

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Speaker 4: not guilty. Garfield is set to be arraigned the day

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Speaker 4: that I'm recording this, and the Turtle Island Liberation Front

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Speaker 4: trial is currently scheduled for the end of February.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to It Could Happen? Here a podcast about which

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Speaker 3: calamity this country and many others are going through. This week,

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Speaker 3: I am your host, Mia Wong, and today we are

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Speaker 3: going to be talking about the Federal Reserve. Now, those

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Speaker 3: of you who have listened to Executive Disorder are aware

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Speaker 3: that a bit over a week ago, as this episode

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Speaker 3: is being released. Federal Reserve Chairman Jiromage Powell released what

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Speaker 3: again I can really only describe as someone escaping from

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Speaker 3: a kidnapping and releasing a video about it in which

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Speaker 3: he discussed a Justice Department grand jury subpoena and a

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Speaker 3: threat to indict him over cost overruns on a new

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Speaker 3: Federal Reserve building. Now, Jerome Powell has claimed that these

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Speaker 3: charges are really about removing him and about eliminating the

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Speaker 3: independence of the Federal Reserve. He also claims that he

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Speaker 3: was directly threatened with these charges unless he was willing

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Speaker 3: to adjust the Federal Reserve policy to fall in line

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Speaker 3: with the Trump administration. And this is an astonishing video

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Speaker 3: for a number of reasons. One is that it's, in

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Speaker 3: a lot of ways one of the most direct points

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Speaker 3: of defiance that a government official has taken directly to

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Speaker 3: the presidents. It's also astonishing because it is actually technically

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Speaker 3: the second time that Trump has tried to do something

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Speaker 3: like this to a member of the Federal Reserve Board.

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Speaker 3: Because as you're listening to this, the Supreme Court has

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Speaker 3: been hearing arguments about Trump's attempt to fire one of

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Speaker 3: the other members of the Federal Reserve Board, a woman

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Speaker 3: named Lisa Cook. Now, obviously I don't know yet what

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Speaker 3: the outcome of that deliberation is going to be. It

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Speaker 3: seems right now that the Supreme Court is uncompelled with

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Speaker 3: Trump's ability to fire a Federal Reserve board member over

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Speaker 3: really truly very trumped up charges about mortgage fraud. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to quote here from the Supreme Court in what

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Speaker 3: has become a very important statement. Quote, the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 3: is a uniquely structured, quasi private entity that follows in

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Speaker 3: the distinct tradition of the First and Second Banks of

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Speaker 3: the United States. The importance of this statement is that

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court has been willing to allow Trump to

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Speaker 3: fire the heads of other you know, what are supposed

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Speaker 3: to be independent entities, right, or fire members of what

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Speaker 3: are supposed to be independent federal agencies. He's been able

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Speaker 3: to just completely illegally, by the way, but with the

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Speaker 3: approval the Supreme Court, been able to fire a lot

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Speaker 3: of people who were appointed under the Biden administration to

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Speaker 3: posts in independent regulatory agencies. However, so far, the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court has balked at doing this for the Federal Reserve. Now,

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Speaker 3: why is that and why is this entire thing so

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Speaker 3: important to understand that question and to understand why I've

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Speaker 3: spent so much time talking about what in the grand

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Speaker 3: scheme of things seems like a kind of minor, you know,

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Speaker 3: just like another example of Trump attempting to use the

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Speaker 3: judiciary and investigations to go after as political enemies. We

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Speaker 3: need to talk about what the Federal Reserve is and

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Speaker 3: what it does, because this is our guably the central

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Speaker 3: institution of global capitalism, and its importance in maintaining the

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Speaker 3: global capitalist economy is to a large extent, the reason

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Speaker 3: why this is the point at which US senators, who

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Speaker 3: are aligned with Trump on every other issue have actively

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Speaker 3: taken a stand against this sort of prosecut of Jerome Powell.

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Speaker 3: It's why the Supreme Court seems to not be interested

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Speaker 3: in allowing Trump to wield the executive power. And this

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Speaker 3: is because fucking with the Federal Reserve is fucking with

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Speaker 3: the money. So what is the Federal Reserve? The Federal Reserve,

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Speaker 3: to put it mildly, is an extremely confusing entity. So

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Speaker 3: if you remember back to a few minutes ago when

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Speaker 3: I said that the Supreme Court said that the Federal

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Speaker 3: Reserve is a uniquely structured, quasi private entity, we can

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Speaker 3: ask the question. Okay, so it's a quasi private entity.

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Speaker 3: Is it a public entity or is it a private entity?

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Speaker 3: This is a relatively simple question. Here is the answer

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Speaker 3: provided by the Saint Louis Federal Reserve's website quote. The

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Speaker 3: Federal Reserve Banks are not a part of the federal government,

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Speaker 3: but they exist because of an Act of Congress. Their

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Speaker 3: purpose is to serve the public. So is the Fed

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Speaker 3: private or public? The answer is both. While the Board

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Speaker 3: of Governors is an independent government agency, the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 3: Banks are set up like private corporations. Member banks hold

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Speaker 3: stock in the Federal Reserve and earn dividends. Holding this

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Speaker 3: stock does not carry with it the control and financial

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Speaker 3: interests given to holders of common stock and for profit organizations.

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Speaker 3: The stock may not be sold or pleasures collateral for loans. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so here's the Federal Reserve's answer to is it a

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Speaker 3: public or private entity? Is both? The Board of Governors

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Speaker 3: is an independent agency. The Federal Reserve Banks are set

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Speaker 3: up like private corporations. So it's sort of both. Okay,

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Speaker 3: question settled, it's both. We can move on. Wait, hold on,

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Speaker 3: I am receiving word that the Federal Reserve has comments

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Speaker 3: on this idea. Hold on, hold on, let me, let me.

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Speaker 3: Let me turn to the Federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve's website,

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Speaker 3: which has a comment on the idea that the Federal

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Speaker 3: Reserve banks or private entities. Okay, here we go, here

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Speaker 3: we go quoting them. Now, some observers mistakenly consider the

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Speaker 3: Federal Reserve to be a private entity because the Reserve

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Speaker 3: banks are organized similar to private corporations. For instance, each

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Speaker 3: of the twelve Reserve banks operates within its own particular

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Speaker 3: geographic area or district of the United States, and each

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Speaker 3: is incorporated, is separately incorporated and has its own board

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Speaker 3: of directors. Commercial banks that are members of the Federal

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Speaker 3: Reserve system hold stock in their district's reserve bank. Now, okay,

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Speaker 3: let's look at what we have here. These are two

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Speaker 3: different websites run by two different parts of the Federal Reserve,

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Speaker 3: one of which says that the Federal Reserve Banks are

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Speaker 3: not part of the of the federal government, but they

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Speaker 3: exist because of an Act of Congress. So is the

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Speaker 3: Fed public or private? The answer is both, because the

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Speaker 3: Federal Reserve Banks are set up like private corporations. That's

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Speaker 3: the Saint Louis at are Reserve. Now the National Federal Reserve,

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Speaker 3: says quote, some observers mistakenly considered the Federal Reserve to

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Speaker 3: be a private entity because the reserve banks are organized

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Speaker 3: similarly to private corporations. So you can see that we

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Speaker 3: are dealing here with an absolute goddamn mess because if

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Speaker 3: you read the two websites of different federal versions of

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Speaker 3: the Federal Reserve, National and sort of branches of the

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Speaker 3: Federal Reserve, they say different things about what it is,

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Speaker 3: and they sound like they're arguing each other. Now, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I am doing this because it's funny. Technically both of

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Speaker 3: these agree with each other. But this is a shit

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Speaker 3: show because part of the purpose of the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 3: is to be an entity that does research and distribute

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Speaker 3: information to the public, and its websites can't agree on

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Speaker 3: what it is. Now again, I'm being slightly pedantic here.

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Speaker 3: Technically both versions of this story do you say that

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Speaker 3: this is both a public and a private entity? Sort of?

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Speaker 3: Now again, And this is a basic question about the

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Speaker 3: Federal Reserve. Is it a public or private entity? And

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Speaker 3: they can't agree on it. And this is, to use

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Speaker 3: a technical term, a fucking nightmare, because again, the actual

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Speaker 3: answer is that it is sort of both. The banks

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Speaker 3: themselves are like technically private, but they're run by the

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Speaker 3: Board of Governors, which is technically a government agency, and

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Speaker 3: they were established by the government. So tending to sort

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Speaker 3: out this colossal mess has inside of academia, this has

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Speaker 3: caused a change in the conception of what the state

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Speaker 3: is because what is this crap? So okay, let's actually

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Speaker 3: run through the structure of the Federal Reserve. So importantly,

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Speaker 3: the Federal Reserve is kind of three entities in a way.

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Speaker 3: You can think about this like the Holy Trinity. Right.

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Speaker 3: You have the twelve Federal Reserve banks, and those banks

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Speaker 3: are collectively managed by what are called governors, who serve

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Speaker 3: on what is called the Board of Governors, which is

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Speaker 3: the second entity. And then there's also the Federal Open

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Speaker 3: Market Committee, which for our purposes we don't care about

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Speaker 3: that much, but is composed of the seven members of

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Speaker 3: the Board of Governors, and this is the quote defend itself.

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Speaker 3: Is composed of the seven members of the Bord of Governors,

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Speaker 3: the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,

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Speaker 3: and four of the remaining eleven Reserve Bank presidents. You

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Speaker 3: serve one year terms on a rotating basis. So, okay,

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Speaker 3: we have three entities, right. We have the centralized Federal

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Speaker 3: Reserve banks, which there's twelve of them. They cover different

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Speaker 3: geographic regions of the country. We have the Board of Governors,

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Speaker 3: which oversees them. And the Board of Governors is the

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Speaker 3: part that is technically a government agency. And these governors

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Speaker 3: are importantly, for our purposes, nominated by the President and

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Speaker 3: confirmed by Congress. And this Board of Governors. The purpose

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Speaker 3: of this Board of Governors is to sort of run

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Speaker 3: all of it. Now they're running all of this at

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Speaker 3: a macro level. Each of those twelve federal reserve banks

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Speaker 3: also have their own border directors and their own structures

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Speaker 3: that each run all of the different banks. So this

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Speaker 3: is complicated. And again why talking about the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 3: is so complicated. If you just like start looking at

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Speaker 3: political stuff people have written about the Federal Reserve, it's

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Speaker 3: a nightmare. Like if you try to like do your

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Speaker 3: own research, your options are, I'll less you know where

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Speaker 3: to look, right, your options are at the Federal Reserve itself,

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Speaker 3: which is actually not a terrible resource for the most part,

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Speaker 3: because again, conducting economic research is one of the points

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Speaker 3: of the Federal Reserve, but it's not ideal. And then

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Speaker 3: also immediately you get a bunch of very weird, anti

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Speaker 3: Semitic conspiracy theories about sound money and the sort of

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Speaker 3: Rand Paull people who want to eliminate the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 3: because they're mad at the US dollar not being based

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Speaker 3: on gold. Nightmare, terrible, zero out of ten. We absolutely

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Speaker 3: hate it. Now, speaking of things that we absolutely hate,

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Speaker 3: it is not buying these products and services. We are back.

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Speaker 3: So all right, we've gone over the structure of the

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Speaker 3: Federal Reserve. So what does the Federal Reserve actually do?

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Speaker 3: And why are we talking about this at such length.

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Speaker 3: If you know one thing about the FED, it's that

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Speaker 3: the FED can print money. You may or may not

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Speaker 3: remember the FED printing money memes from twenty twenty in

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Speaker 3: that sort of era, and this is one of the

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Speaker 3: conceptions of the FED that is true. The Federal Reserve

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Speaker 3: is the entity given power by the US government to

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Speaker 3: print money. So when dollar bills are created, the Treasury

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Speaker 3: commissions the FED to print the bills. Technically speaking, coins

1505
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 3: are still minted by the Treasury, which is a whole

1506
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 3: side showed tangent that I had to cut out of

1507
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 3: the story because it's like twenty minutes long. But you know,

1508
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,759
Speaker 3: if you are holding a US dollar, basically the odds

1509
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 3: are very very very very very very very very good.

1510
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 3: The way you were holding is technically a Federal Reserve note.

1511
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 3: Now what does that mean? Be a what is happening here?

1512
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 3: Why is it the government doesn't print money? Why is

1513
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:03,759
Speaker 3: it this quas I private public entity that's printing the money. Now,

1514
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 3: what's happening here is slightly more complex than FED money printer.

1515
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 3: An American dollar is US debt. Right, what you are

1516
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 3: holding in your hands is a promise from the US

1517
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 3: government to pay one dollar to the Federal Reserve. The

1518
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 3: Federal Reserve is having this money distributed and is having

1519
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 3: this debt distributed. And this is what US currency is.

1520
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 3: It is based on debt held by in this case,

1521
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 3: the Federal Reserve banks, which have been given a monopoly

1522
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 3: to print this debt as Federal Reserve notes, and the

1523
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 3: Federal Reserve can just sort of create this. It's also

1524
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 3: worth noting that, you know, when we talk about the

1525
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 3: FED creating money, I mean obviously like it prints money

1526
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 3: for stuff commissioned by the treasury, so you can have

1527
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,799
Speaker 3: more bills in circulation, But most of the actual money

1528
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 3: that's being created or not created is you know, this

1529
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 3: is all happening digitally. It is funds appearing in the

1530
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 3: bank accounts of the banks that use the Federal Reserve.

1531
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 3: So the other thing you may have heard about the

1532
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 3: FED is the FED funds rate or what's called the

1533
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 3: FED interest rate, or you'll hear a bunch of talk

1534
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 3: about the FED setting interest rates. So to understand what

1535
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:22,679
Speaker 3: this is, we need to kind of take a step

1536
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 3: back and look at what these banks actually are. The

1537
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 3: way this is commonly described is that the FED is

1538
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 3: the bank of banks, right, which is when a bank

1539
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 3: needs alone, they go to the Federal Reserve, and banks

1540
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 3: put their money in the Federal Reserve and they use

1541
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 3: it to move their money around. That's true enough for

1542
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 3: our purposes. I should also state here that a lot

1543
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 3: of what I'm going to be saying this episode, particularly

1544
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 3: from here forward, is technically probably a simplification of what's

1545
01:38:54,600 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 3: actually happening, because the mechanisms here are very very compt located.

1546
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 3: But okay, so the FED interest rate, right, this is

1547
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 3: the thing that is the source of all of the

1548
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 3: tension here, right. What Trump is pissed about to a

1549
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 3: large extent is that he thinks that FED interest rates

1550
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 3: are too high and he wants them to be lower

1551
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:22,719
Speaker 3: because he thinks this will cause the economy to grow more. So, okay,

1552
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 3: what does that mean is what is the FED interest rate?

1553
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 3: The way this is explained to the public is that

1554
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 3: the FED sets the cost of borrowing. That's like true,

1555
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 3: kind of. Basically, there is a rate that is decided

1556
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 3: on by the Federal Reserve Board. On a more technical level, though,

1557
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 3: it's slightly more complicated than that. So when you hear

1558
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 3: someone talk about the Fed's interest rate, what they are

1559
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,600
Speaker 3: talking about is the Federal funds rate, And technically what

1560
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,760
Speaker 3: they're talking about is the target Federal funds rate. So

1561
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to quote from the Federal Reserve self quote.

1562
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 3: The effective Federal funds rate is the interest rate at

1563
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 3: which depository institutions, banks, savings institutions, thrifts, and credit unions,

1564
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 3: and government sponsored enterprises borrow from and lend to each

1565
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:21,759
Speaker 3: other overnight to meet short term business needs. The target

1566
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 3: for the Federal funds rate, which is set by the

1567
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 3: Federal Open Market Committee, has varied widely. Over the years

1568
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 3: in response to prevailing economic conditions. So yeah, Also, by

1569
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 3: the way, it is technically the Federal Open Market Committee

1570
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 3: that sets the fund rate. But okay, when we're talking

1571
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 3: about the FED setting the interest rates, right, there's kind

1572
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 3: of two things going on. So the effective Federal funds rate,

1573
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 3: which is the thing that they're trying to control, is

1574
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 3: the interest rate at which all of these different banks

1575
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 3: that have their money in here are all using it

1576
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 3: to lend to each other overnight. Through the money they

1577
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 3: have the Federal reserve, they're all lending it to each other.

1578
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 3: The average of the rate of interest that whist are

1579
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 3: lending to each other overnight, the average of that rate

1580
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 3: is the federal funds rate. When people talk about like

1581
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 3: the interest rates like three point two percent or whatever.

1582
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 3: What the FED is trying to do is make sure

1583
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,759
Speaker 3: that at the end of the night, this effective federal

1584
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 3: funds rate, which is the rate that all these banks

1585
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 3: are lending each other money at, is at that rate.

1586
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 3: But they don't actually technically directly have control of this,

1587
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 3: because it is to be clear, the average rate of

1588
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 3: which all of these banks are lending to each other

1589
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 3: what the FED is manipulating directly usually is the interest

1590
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 3: on reserve balances or IRB. So this is the thing

1591
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 3: the FED does control. The interest on reserve balances is

1592
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 3: how much interest they pay out for just putting your

1593
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 3: money in the FED and leaving it there. I'm going

1594
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 3: to quote the FED again. The Fed's primary tool for

1595
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 3: influencing the Federal funds rate is the interest the FED

1596
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 3: pays on funds that banks whole as reserve balances at

1597
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 3: their Federal Reserve bank, which is the interest on reserve

1598
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 3: balances rate. Because banks are unlikely to lend funds in

1599
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 3: the federal funds market for less than they get paid

1600
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,879
Speaker 3: on their reserve balances at the Federal Reserve, the interest

1601
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,759
Speaker 3: rate on reserve balances is an effective tool for guiding

1602
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 3: the federal funds rate. Okay, Mia, you've been spouting gibberish

1603
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:26,559
Speaker 3: for many minutes. Now what the fuck does that mean?

1604
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 3: So what the FED is normally doing is all right,

1605
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 3: so you put your money in a bank, right, and

1606
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 3: that bank has an interest rate, and it pays you

1607
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 3: out that amount of interest at the end of the year, right,

1608
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:41,599
Speaker 3: And that's the money that you are making for putting

1609
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 3: your money in this corporation. The FED also has their

1610
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 3: own interest on reserve balances, so that they have their

1611
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 3: own interest rate for how much money you can get

1612
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 3: from just leaving your money in the Federal Reserve. And

1613
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 3: the theory, and this is like you know, true, is

1614
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 3: that banks aren't going to lend each other money at

1615
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 3: interest rates that are lower than what you can get

1616
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 3: from the FED because otherwise you just leave your money

1617
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 3: in the FED and you get them out amount of money.

1618
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 3: So if you're going to you know, loan someone something, right,

1619
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 3: the interest that's being charged here is going to be

1620
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 3: higher than the FED rate. And that's when we talk

1621
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 3: about FED setting interest rates. That that's what's happening on

1622
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 3: a technical level, and this is actually very important in

1623
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 3: the global economy because what this does, and this is

1624
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 3: where everything gets extremely murky, and I'm going to go

1625
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 3: to a very very high level of abstraction down from

1626
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 3: sort of the very low technical details. Now in theory,

1627
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,639
Speaker 3: what this means is, this is how easy it is

1628
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 3: to obtain money to invest in stuff. Right, This sets

1629
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:52,679
Speaker 3: the rate at which you can borrow money. And in theory,

1630
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 3: if you have a very very low interest rate right

1631
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 3: the FED, if the FED funds rate is really low,

1632
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 3: then it's very read cheap and easy to get a

1633
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 3: bunch of money, and that money flows to the economy,

1634
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 3: and theoretically that money will you know, be used to

1635
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 3: invest in stuff and that will increase economic growth. Okay,

1636
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 3: so why wouldn't the FED rate just always be zero?

1637
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 3: And the answer to that is that the FED is

1638
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,759
Speaker 3: an institution and this this is part of its legal

1639
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:22,200
Speaker 3: framework that established it is also trying to control inflation.

1640
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 3: And the theory, effectively is that if you leave these

1641
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 3: things for too low for too long, it will cause inflation,

1642
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 3: and it will cause economic bubbles that are not actually

1643
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 3: supported by the return on investment. Because if you can

1644
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 3: just always continuously borrow money for zero dollars, then you

1645
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:41,759
Speaker 3: can just invest in anything as long as the return

1646
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 3: is like slightly more than like nothing. However, comma raising

1647
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,719
Speaker 3: interest rates used as a way to try to slow

1648
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 3: economic growth in order to not have inflation results, right

1649
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,639
Speaker 3: and also to not have there be sort of speculative bubbles.

1650
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 3: And right now we've entered period in which interest rates

1651
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 3: have been rising. After a pretty prolonged period of interest

1652
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 3: rates being effectively zero, like following the two thousand and

1653
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 3: eight financial collapse, they've been really low for like a while,

1654
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:13,600
Speaker 3: for some stuff in the nineties that we're going to

1655
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 3: get to you later. But this is basically the primary dispute,

1656
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 3: which is that Okay, now, obviously the FED is to

1657
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 3: some extent a political actor. But the question here is

1658
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 3: who is going to get to set these sort of

1659
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 3: interest rates? Right? Is it going to be the President

1660
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 3: of the United States? Right, is it going to be

1661
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump can just be like, oh, economy look bad,

1662
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 3: turned down the interest rate? Or is it going to

1663
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 3: be the Federal Reserve itself, which is how it presently

1664
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 3: functions running this And that's what FED independence means. So

1665
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 3: what is that stake here is one of the defining

1666
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 3: the defining mechanisms of sort of economic control, of control

1667
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 3: over the function of the economy. You know that this

1668
01:45:56,760 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 3: is called like a macroeconomic policy lever Right. This is

1669
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 3: one of the largest, most important and most powerful tools

1670
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:08,640
Speaker 3: that exists in the entire world economy for managing and

1671
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 3: regulating the American economy. And the question is is this

1672
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 3: going to remain with this sort of quasi technocratic independent

1673
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:19,800
Speaker 3: staff or is it going to be directly set by

1674
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,839
Speaker 3: the president. And that is a huge fucking deal because

1675
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 3: as you mentioned last time I talked about this, there

1676
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 3: have been times where presidents have gotten control over central banks.

1677
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 3: For example, the sort of scare story that everyone is

1678
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 3: talking about is Turkey where Airdwan, they're effectively dictatorial leader,

1679
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 3: managed to break the independence of his own central bank

1680
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 3: and inflation rates are now merely forty percent. So this

1681
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 3: is what's at stake. It's who gets to control this thing?

1682
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 3: Is it Donald Trump or is it the Federal Reserve?

1683
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 3: Now we are going to go to ads and we

1684
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 3: are going to come back and talk a bit more

1685
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 3: about some of the nightmares that can happen here. Now. Okay,

1686
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 3: so we've been talking mostly about the FED interest rate

1687
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 3: because that is most of what it does, or that's

1688
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 3: not most of what it does. That's the most important

1689
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 3: thing that it does on a political level in terms

1690
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 3: of you know, this is why Donald Trump wants it. However, coma,

1691
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 3: the FED does a bunch of other shit, like, for example,

1692
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of the world's gold supply owned by

1693
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 3: a bunch of countries across the world sits in a

1694
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 3: vault under the Federal Reserve building. The FED has a

1695
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,799
Speaker 3: balance sheet right of like the assets that it owns

1696
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 3: and that balance sheet is right now about six and

1697
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 3: a half trillion dollars. The payment system that the FED

1698
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 3: maintains has two trillion dollars a day moving through it. Right,

1699
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:08,640
Speaker 3: This payment infrastructure, the infrastructure of the Federal Reserve is

1700
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:14,599
Speaker 3: the core of the functioning of the entire American banking system.

1701
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 3: Like I kind of emphasize this enough, and this is

1702
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 3: also you know, important on a macro international level, right,

1703
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:26,879
Speaker 3: Like this institution functioning sort of normally is the difference

1704
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:30,719
Speaker 3: between capitalism working kind of normally, which is not good

1705
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 3: but is working, and it's not working, and Trump is

1706
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,640
Speaker 3: trying to take control of it. And again, this is

1707
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 3: a guy who wants to invade Greenland, and she is

1708
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 3: trying to take control over one of the most powerful

1709
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:50,559
Speaker 3: economic institutions that has ever existed in human history. So

1710
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 3: these are the sort of the stakes of the fight

1711
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 3: that's happening here, because again, the FED is supposed to

1712
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 3: be an independent entity, right The President is not supposed

1713
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 3: to be able to order the FED to just do

1714
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 3: whatever it wants. And this is what's at stake with

1715
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 3: Trump trying to fire one of these Reserve board presidents,

1716
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 3: with Trump trying to prosecute the current head of the

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01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 3: Federal Reserve and use that threat to bring the Fed

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01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:19,679
Speaker 3: into line with doing what he wants to do. Now,

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01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 3: Trump is also again attempting to install his own guy

1720
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 3: when Jerome Powell's term as the Chairman of the Federal

1721
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 3: Reserve Board ends. And Okay, in terms of could the

1722
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 3: Trump administration actually run this, right, I'm gonna read this

1723
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 3: quote from actually a very good Yahoo story about the

1724
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 3: search for Trump's knew who he wants to run the

1725
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 3: Federal Reserve. This is starting with a quote from Trump's

1726
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 3: Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett, Who's been the guy who is

1727
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 3: running the candidate search. Quote, who can bring the board

1728
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 3: along with them? Who has the gravitas, Bessett said, who

1729
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:06,799
Speaker 3: is going to have an open, green span like mind

1730
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 3: that we could be going through a productivity boom like

1731
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 3: we did in the nineties and not just throw the

1732
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 3: brakes because we're alarmed at a high GDP number. Okay,

1733
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 3: if you have spent your life closely following American macroeconomic policy,

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01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 3: that is nuts. That is a terrifying statement, utterly horrifying. Now, Mia,

1735
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 3: why is it scary to say that he wants a

1736
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 3: green span like mindset that doesn't throw the brakes on

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01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 3: the economy because they're alarmed by a GDP number. Why

1738
01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:42,639
Speaker 3: is that scary? And this is also you know, why

1739
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 3: is it scary for the Trump administration to have direct

1740
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,720
Speaker 3: control of the Federal Reserve. Part of the reason we

1741
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 3: haven't had a full scale economic collapse in two thousand

1742
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 3: and eight has been that there has been a bunch

1743
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 3: of very very careful management of the economy by the

1744
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 3: Federal Reserve. Right, they have done a lot of technical stuff.

1745
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 3: You know, I'm saying they've done a lot of technical stuff.

1746
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 3: Well when I say well, I mean for the functioning

1747
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 3: of capital, like you and me and everyone listening to this.

1748
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 3: Is it working for us? No, not really, but it's

1749
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 3: working for capital, right, And they've been able to prevent

1750
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:19,879
Speaker 3: an economic collapse through a lot of sort of technical means.

1751
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty, and you see this now, they did

1752
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 3: these things called overnight repo injections where they would pump

1753
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,599
Speaker 3: like one hundred billion dollars in liquidity into the bank

1754
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:32,799
Speaker 3: markets overnight in order to make sure there was liquidity

1755
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 3: to because that was one of the things that cost

1756
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight collapse so they've been doing a

1757
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 3: bunch of very careful management, some of it in these

1758
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 3: large swings that have very little public attention, some of

1759
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 3: it in just the way they've been doing policy. What

1760
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 3: these guys want to do is the Greenspan stuff from

1761
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 3: the nineties. So okay, meyah, what the fuck is that?

1762
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 3: So what he's talking about is the green Span put now,

1763
01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:58,640
Speaker 3: what happened to the nineties To simplify the story a

1764
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 3: little bit, but I'm not evenly simplifying it much. Every

1765
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 3: time the market went down, Greenspan would just lower the

1766
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 3: interest rate to make the market go back up. Right,

1767
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 3: So every single time it even sort of looks like

1768
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 3: the market might be going down, he makes the cost

1769
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 3: of borrowing from the Fed cheaper, so you can just

1770
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:18,679
Speaker 3: take more money out of the Federal Reserve and plunge

1771
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,599
Speaker 3: that money back into the stock market. Right, that's the

1772
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 3: theory here. The economist Robert Brenner called it asset Kanesianism.

1773
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 3: This is something we have talked about on the show many, many,

1774
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 3: many times, and it is to a large extent, the

1775
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 3: thing responsible for the two thousand and eight economic collapse,

1776
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 3: and also the dot com bo will before that, and

1777
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:43,879
Speaker 3: arguably also the Asian market collapses in the nineties. Okay,

1778
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 3: you know you're you're dealing with a problem, which is

1779
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,839
Speaker 3: that you don't have a manufacturing economy that can support

1780
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 3: economic growth. So what are you gonna do instead? Okay,

1781
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna give everyone a bunch of money so they

1782
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:56,880
Speaker 3: can do speculative investing in stocks. And we're gonna give

1783
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 3: him one a bunch of money so that they can

1784
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 3: go invest in housing market because housing prices will only

1785
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:05,479
Speaker 3: ever go up, and that's the thing that these people

1786
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 3: want to do. Right And in terms of why, okay,

1787
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 3: why should you be scared about this?

1788
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 6: Right?

1789
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 3: This is like saying that, Okay, we need to bring

1790
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 3: back the guys who did all of the mortgage backed

1791
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 3: securities in two thousand and eight that went up and

1792
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,360
Speaker 3: put them in charge of like the world's most powerful

1793
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 3: economic institution. So the candidates that Trump is talking about

1794
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 3: putting in place, I don't know if any of them

1795
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 3: are going to make it right now, because I think

1796
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 3: the kind of person Trump is looking for is not

1797
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:37,760
Speaker 3: the kind of person who like runs this kind of

1798
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:40,800
Speaker 3: thing normally. In terms of like what Trump would do

1799
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:43,840
Speaker 3: with the guy that he sort of installed there, we

1800
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:48,439
Speaker 3: can look at who they've already installed, right, And the

1801
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:52,400
Speaker 3: one Federal Reserve Board member that Trump has successfully gotten

1802
01:53:52,439 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 3: in place is Stephan Miren who, and I kind of

1803
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 3: emphasizes enough, I talk about how nuts this guy is

1804
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 3: all the time. This is this's the guy who wants

1805
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 3: other countries to pay taxes on holding US bonds. And

1806
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 3: this is the guy that, again, is now one of

1807
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 3: the governors of the Federal Reserve, war because Trump put

1808
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:12,639
Speaker 3: him there. I could spend another forty minutes ranting about

1809
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 3: how bad of an idea his Mara Lago Accords, which

1810
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 3: is his version of the Plaza Chords, would be. It's gibberish,

1811
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 3: it's atrocious. And these people are simply not good enough

1812
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 3: at technical economic management to be put in charge of

1813
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 3: the Federal Reserve, the most powerful economic agency in the

1814
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 3: entire world. And again, as I've been saying, right, this

1815
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 3: economic management has been good for capital. Has it been

1816
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:44,960
Speaker 3: good for us? Like? No, not really. However, putting that

1817
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 3: power directly into the hands of Donald Trump is an

1818
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 3: even worse idea. But it's also very important that this

1819
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 3: has been good for capital, because FED independence is the

1820
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 3: red line for a lot of very very powerful sectors

1821
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 3: of capital who would be fine with things like like

1822
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 3: you could, like Trump could do public executions in the streets,

1823
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:08,240
Speaker 3: and like GP Morgan eventually would be okay with it. Right,

1824
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 3: JP Morgan is like panicking over this Federal Reserve stuff.

1825
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 3: So this is actually a line at which segments of

1826
01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 3: capital are willing to break with Trump because this is

1827
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 3: an existential threat to them. Now, before I sort of

1828
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 3: close this out, you know, I've been giving what is

1829
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:30,800
Speaker 3: essentially a very conventional analysis of what the Federal Reserve is,

1830
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 3: because to some extent you need a conventional analysis of

1831
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 3: what the Federal Reserve is to understand what the fuck

1832
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 3: is going on with these board things. But I want

1833
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:43,640
Speaker 3: to give the final word to the anthropologist David Graper.

1834
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:48,200
Speaker 3: This is from his book Debt the First five thousand Years. Quote.

1835
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 3: One element, however, tends to go flagrantly missing in even

1836
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:56,560
Speaker 3: the most vivid conspiracy theories about the banking system, let

1837
01:55:56,600 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 3: alone in official accounts. That is the role of war

1838
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 3: and military power. There's a reason why the Wizard has

1839
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:06,800
Speaker 3: such a strange capacity to make money out of nothing.

1840
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 3: Behind him, there is a man with a gun. True,

1841
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 3: in one sense, he's been there from the start, I

1842
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 3: have already pointed out that modern money is based on

1843
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 3: government debt, and that governments borrow money in order to

1844
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:25,600
Speaker 3: finance wars. This is just as true today as it

1845
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 3: was in the age of King Philip the Second. The

1846
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 3: creation of central banks represented a permanent institutionalization of that

1847
01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 3: marriage between the interests of warriors and financiers that had

1848
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 3: already begun to emerge in Renaissance Italy, and that eventually

1849
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 3: became the foundation of financial capitalism. And this is something

1850
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:48,200
Speaker 3: that's very very important. Right. We've been talking about how

1851
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:52,839
Speaker 3: important the FED is as an economic institution, and obviously

1852
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:55,440
Speaker 3: the importance of the Federal Reserve is tied in with

1853
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:58,480
Speaker 3: the fact that the dollar is the world's reserve currency,

1854
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:01,480
Speaker 3: which makes it the most important currency on Earth. It

1855
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:04,680
Speaker 3: means that every other country is doing a bunch of

1856
01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:08,120
Speaker 3: transactions denominated in American dollars, and it turns out when

1857
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:10,680
Speaker 3: you can make American dollars that is an enormous advantage

1858
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 3: for you. But this is all based on American military power. Right.

1859
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 3: The reason that the dollar is the world reserve currency

1860
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 3: is because all of the countries that had competing currencies

1861
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:24,240
Speaker 3: that could have been the international standard were sort of

1862
01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:26,560
Speaker 3: annihilated during World War Two, and at the end of

1863
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 3: World War Two it was the United States left standing

1864
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:33,160
Speaker 3: with the richest and most powerful economy on Earth. Yes,

1865
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:36,920
Speaker 3: but also like it was the country with nukes and

1866
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 3: the largest army that wasn't the Soviets. Right. The element

1867
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 3: here that Graber is pointing out right is that the

1868
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:46,440
Speaker 3: debt that you and me and everyone is like carrying

1869
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:50,879
Speaker 3: out our day to day stuff with is war debt.

1870
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 3: Literally the thing that we used to like buy groceries

1871
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 3: is to a large extent, it's a tiny bit more

1872
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 3: complicated than this, but like loads that were taken out

1873
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:05,879
Speaker 3: to like go bomb Vietnam. And part of what's happening

1874
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 3: under the Trump administration is that all of the things

1875
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:13,959
Speaker 3: that used to be under the table, right, the US,

1876
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 3: you know, always had the kind of military power that

1877
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:19,760
Speaker 3: Trump is sort of throwing around to try to you know,

1878
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 3: invade Greenland or just kidnap the president of Venezuela and

1879
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:26,560
Speaker 3: like run the country by gunboat. The US has always

1880
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:29,800
Speaker 3: had the ability to do this. It's just that it

1881
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:33,920
Speaker 3: was largely agreed upon by everyone involved running the system

1882
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 3: that using this power under the table was more effective

1883
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:39,800
Speaker 3: than using it openly. The Trump administration thinks that, you know,

1884
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:44,600
Speaker 3: using soft power or not explicitly, just like saying we're

1885
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 3: going to invade you is like womanly pussy coock shit,

1886
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 3: Like that's effectively what's happening here, is it? And these

1887
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:54,160
Speaker 3: people think that these relationships need to be drawn out

1888
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 3: into the open, right, And so what we're left with

1889
01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:03,000
Speaker 3: here is a war between two sectors of capital, one

1890
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:05,480
Speaker 3: of which wants to immolate the world to satisfy the

1891
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:09,040
Speaker 3: ego of a tyrant, and the other of which wants

1892
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 3: to let climate change immolate the world slightly slower, because

1893
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:16,440
Speaker 3: doing anything about climate change would hurt their bottom line,

1894
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:19,800
Speaker 3: but allowing the god king to immolate the world by

1895
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 3: himself would hurt their bottom line too. And this is

1896
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:28,880
Speaker 3: effectively the problem with the moment that they're in, which

1897
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 3: is that neither of these institutions, right, Donald Trump is

1898
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 3: not on your side. The Federal Reserve is also not

1899
01:59:35,160 --> 01:59:39,600
Speaker 3: on your side. What is necessary here, though, is not

1900
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 3: for sort of comrade Federal Reserve to join us. What

1901
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:49,680
Speaker 3: is necessary here for our purposes is that enough sectors

1902
01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 3: of capital when the time comes right, when Trump finally

1903
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:56,440
Speaker 3: does something and when there's a popular reaction enough that

1904
01:59:56,560 --> 02:00:01,280
Speaker 3: forces a confrontration between Trump and the American people. When

1905
02:00:01,320 --> 02:00:06,440
Speaker 3: that time comes, what is necessary is that these massive

1906
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:12,200
Speaker 3: and powerful economic institutions stand aside and not defend the regime.

1907
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Speaker 3: As I've talked about to a significant extent on this

1908
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 3: podcast already, this is how the Bolsheviks won their revolution.

1909
02:00:18,600 --> 02:00:21,000
Speaker 3: It's also how the February Revolution won, which was that

1910
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 3: large portions of the populace, large portions of the ruling class,

1911
02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:29,480
Speaker 3: and to some extent, large portions of the state simply

1912
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 3: sat the conflict out because they didn't particularly like the revolutionaries,

1913
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 3: but they also weren't going to go die for some

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Speaker 3: random tyrant. And that, in the end, is what's important

1915
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 3: about this conflict. Right there is, on the one hand,

1916
02:00:45,120 --> 02:00:48,720
Speaker 3: the possibility of Donald Trump just immolating the entire economy,

1917
02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:51,800
Speaker 3: and on the other there is the possibility of these

1918
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Speaker 3: people standing aside when we attempt to build a world

1919
02:00:55,800 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 3: when we are not being lit on fire for profit. Husband,

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Speaker 3: it could happen here.

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Speaker 2: What's getting assaulted by federal agents?

1922
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Speaker 4: No, don't I love when we start episodes both sleepy and.

1923
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Speaker 2: I'm Wired, I'm awake, I'm wide awake, baby, I'm a

1924
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:30,400
Speaker 2: white awake.

1925
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Speaker 1: Will you will you start? Will you do you are?

1926
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: We already started, We already started.

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Speaker 1: We have it.

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Speaker 2: This is Executive Disorder.

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Speaker 4: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 4: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 4: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today

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Speaker 4: I'm joined by James Stout, Mio Wong, Robert Evans, and

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Speaker 4: Margaret Kiljoy. This episode, we are covering the week of

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Speaker 4: January fourteenth to January twenty.

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Speaker 2: First, you know a lot of news organizations don't go

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Speaker 2: woot woot geither cowards fucked up.

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Speaker 5: That's because they don't drink fago.

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Speaker 2: I know that's right.

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Speaker 8: The official beverage of this journalist. This episode's printed by

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Speaker 8: four Loco at tea mugget. You're a in allowed test.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of drinking, Actually, we will start this episode with

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Speaker 4: a big glass of whole milk. Everyone has one, right,

1945
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Speaker 4: let's all go up at the same time.

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Speaker 2: We finish it as we leave for the toilet.

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Speaker 4: There we go, delicious, delicious whole milk.

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Speaker 2: We drink a gallon every hour.

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Speaker 4: We are not sponsored by the dairy lobby. There's nothing

1950
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Speaker 4: fishy going on whatsoever. We're not a drinking whole milk now.

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Speaker 2: Not at all, not at all, Garrison Heifer, Davis.

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Speaker 9: Heffer, even even Margaret Yeah, who's been a vegan for

1953
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Speaker 9: how many decades?

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Speaker 2: Look, you can be a vegan and still have a

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Speaker 2: lot of money in the dairy industry, Sophie.

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Speaker 5: Well, all I'm saying is that if I increase my

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Speaker 5: meat diet by twenty five percent, it will stay the same.

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Speaker 2: Look, that's that's accurate.

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Speaker 4: We love we love that math Huber.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also, thanks to some of the new changes in

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Speaker 2: the way the Food and Drug Administration works, I can

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Speaker 2: guarantee you that American whole milk has almost no dairy

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Speaker 2: in it. It's mostly chalk and baby laxative, just like

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Speaker 2: our heroine.

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Speaker 8: I have a theory about this. Can I sham my

1967
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Speaker 8: bog theory? I think the grand unifying principle about which

1968
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Speaker 8: we could bring American people together is that there are

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Speaker 8: too many milks. Everyone agreed, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Principle, that's right, what should take over from class? Yeah, yeah, milks,

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Speaker 4: the great unifying milk principles.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the milk productionist.

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Speaker 2: You know what place loves milk? Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's turn to Minneapolis. The continuing ICE raids. In

1975
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Speaker 4: the fallout from ICE killing Renee Goody. On Wednesday, January fourteenth,

1976
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Speaker 4: ICE agents attempted to pull over a vehicle whose tag

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Speaker 4: was registered to someone illegally in the country. The driver

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Speaker 4: was not the owner of the vehicle and tried to

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Speaker 4: evade arrest. After a fifteen to twenty minute car chase,

1980
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Speaker 4: the driver crashed into a light pole, but continued to

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Speaker 4: run on foot. The man ran towards a nearby apartment building,

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Speaker 4: with agents now chasing on foot, catching up with him

1983
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Speaker 4: after the man tripped and fell. A fedral Affidavid claims

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Speaker 4: that another man watching from a porch named Julio Caesar

1985
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Speaker 4: Sosa Seles used a broom to assault the agents, while

1986
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Speaker 4: an unnamed individual hit the agents with a snow shovel.

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Speaker 4: After the man they were chasing freed himself, one of

1988
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Speaker 4: the ICE agents fired his pistol, hitting Soceles, who was

1989
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Speaker 4: then hospitalized with a non life threatening injury. This information

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Speaker 4: is from an FBI report, which contradicts initial statements made

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Speaker 4: by DHS, which claimed that ICE was conducting a targeted

1992
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Speaker 4: traffic stop for Julio Caesar Sosacelees, a Venezuelan national cool.

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Speaker 2: I think it's worth noting that this is essentially ice

1994
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Speaker 2: shooting the guy who saves the day at the end

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Speaker 2: of home alone. Just as a quick note, that's all

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Speaker 2: I've got to say.

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Speaker 3: So, we haven't gotten very much good information about the

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Speaker 3: shooting that's not from the government. What we do have

1999
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Speaker 3: is there is a livestream Facebook video of some of

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Speaker 3: the nine to one one call that the family member's

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Speaker 3: maids and I'm just going to quote from CNN here

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Speaker 3: in the video, the family tells a nine to eleven

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Speaker 3: dispatcher that agent shot so to sell Us as he

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Speaker 3: tried to enter his home. They were following my husband

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Speaker 3: for about thirty minutes. They were trying to crash into him.

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Speaker 3: He arrived at home, and because we closed the door

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Speaker 3: to them, they shot him. A woman can be heard

2008
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Speaker 3: telling the dispatcher it's not clear who is speaking or

2009
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Speaker 3: whether so sell Us is the person referred to as

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Speaker 3: being followed. So that's the only kind of independent thing

2011
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Speaker 3: that we have on this right now, which also significantly

2012
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Speaker 3: contradicts the story that they got attacked by a guy

2013
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Speaker 3: with a snowshovel or brim.

2014
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think it necessarily contradicts that there

2015
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Speaker 4: was a shovel getting moved in the direction of an

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Speaker 4: ICE agent at some point.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, attacked. It may have just been a guy

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Speaker 2: trying to create distance in space between itself and an

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Speaker 2: armed man.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, knocked it over as he ran past it, right,

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Speaker 8: and then they tripped over it.

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Speaker 2: Like, there's a wide variety of things that police officers

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Speaker 2: have framed as I was assaulted with this, and then

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Speaker 2: if you look at the video, it does not look

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Speaker 2: like someone assaulting a police officer.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It might have just literally been a snowshovel on the porch. Honestly,

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Speaker 5: they might have assaulted a police officer. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 5: care either way. I'm just saying we don't know what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The main report, which is in federal court documents that

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Speaker 4: were unsealed on Tuesday, have this FBI agent giving his

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Speaker 4: report based on his knowledge of the incident, which had

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Speaker 4: ICE chasing someone that bystanders used a broom and a

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Speaker 4: shovel trying to get the agents off a man who

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Speaker 4: was tackled on the ground. One ICE agent deflected a

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Speaker 4: shovel blow and it created a small gash in his hand.

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Speaker 4: The men that they were chasing was able to free

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Speaker 4: himself from being held, and as that man was running away,

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Speaker 4: an agent fired a pistol. That is the the most

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Speaker 4: detailed report that we have at the moment.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, sure, and like we can't categorically say what happened, right,

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Speaker 8: You can't report a law enforcement testimony as you only saw,

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Speaker 8: so what you shouldn't Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure, shouldn't.

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Speaker 8: I guess I can say that, like I'm in Minneapolis

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Speaker 8: right now, right, and so Margaret, you're comfortable with.

2048
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Speaker 2: Me saying you're also in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 5: It's true, I am in Minneapolis right now.

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Speaker 2: They are co located.

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Speaker 8: As they say, It's very hard to report on these

2052
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Speaker 8: things because essentially they happen extremely quickly, right and like

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Speaker 8: on almost every corner in most of the like dense

2054
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Speaker 8: urban parts of town, there are people hanging out just

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Speaker 8: trying to keep their neighbors safe. And these things happen

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Speaker 8: so fast that big crowds aren't even able to gather

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Speaker 8: for the most part. If you combine that with the

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Speaker 8: fact that these iceage de germanly aren't wearing body worn cameras.

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Speaker 8: You're only going to get a couple of accounts, and

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Speaker 8: it's going to end up in he said, she said, right, right,

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Speaker 8: and then they're going to go with the law enforcement testimony.

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Speaker 2: Which is what they want, which is exactly yep.

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Speaker 3: And I think it is also worth noting that the

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Speaker 3: last three shootings that we've gotten, like the federal agents

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Speaker 3: lied about what happened. Yeah, and we got the videos

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Speaker 3: later on it showed that they were lying about it.

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Speaker 2: So at this point, my default assumption is that, absent

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Speaker 2: other information, they are not telling the truth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Also they're framing the Asians, framing his decision to fire

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Speaker 4: as related to being afraid of his life, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: in the document, the fear would be based on the

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Speaker 4: presence of a broom handle and trumps.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: It is a broom based assault that he cites as

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Speaker 4: the reason that you fired.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's someone running away, right.

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Speaker 3: And the woman who says that her son was the

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Speaker 3: one being pursued by ice, I'm just gonna read the

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Speaker 3: quote here because this is something that does directly contradict

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Speaker 3: the testimony. But in an interview with CNN, Mabel Lajorna,

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Speaker 3: the mother of Alfredo Alejandro Aljerno disputed both of those

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Speaker 3: claims on the basis of her connection with her son.

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Speaker 3: Immediately after the shooting, Aljorna said her son told her

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Speaker 3: he was the one being pursued on foot by Ice

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Speaker 3: and that the other guy was already inside the building

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Speaker 3: when the agent shot him, not outside where Ice said

2089
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Speaker 3: the agent fired the shot.

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Speaker 2: Geez. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's the testimony that we have that's not

2092
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Speaker 3: from the ICE people, and I think we'll figure out

2093
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Speaker 3: in the coming weeks, like what happened.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe maybe three people were arrested after this incident.

2095
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Speaker 4: The person that they were chasing, who they have claimed

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Speaker 4: two different people at some point, the man that Mea

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Speaker 4: just referenced, as well as the person who was shot.

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Speaker 4: And there's also this third individual who is allegedly the

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Speaker 4: shovel wielder, which is not named in the BIAFFA David, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but all of these three people have been arrested.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: During a protest that same night, dozens of people broke

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Speaker 4: into two parked FBI vehicles, finding challenge coins and US

2104
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Speaker 4: Marshall documents. One person has been arrested for stealing a

2105
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Speaker 4: rifle from one of the vehicles.

2106
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Speaker 2: Bad challenge coins much safer, also safer.

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Speaker 4: Today on Saturday, Governor Walls mobilize the Minnesota National Guard

2108
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Speaker 4: and place them on standby to assist local law enforcement.

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Speaker 4: If deployed, the Guard will be wearing yellow reflective vests

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Speaker 4: to distinguish themselves from federal forces.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's this is an interesting moment in and of itself,

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Speaker 2: just the acknowledgment from the both the military command and

2113
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Speaker 2: the governor that like, yeah, you can't tell the difference

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Speaker 2: between a soldier and a cop anymore. Like we have

2115
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Speaker 2: to do this so that people don't think the army

2116
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Speaker 2: is the police. Yeah.

2117
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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: And it's a very like oraboris moment too, because you

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Speaker 5: have just like the cops are dressing up like the soldiers,

2120
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Speaker 5: so the soldiers are like, oh, well, I guess we

2121
02:11:04,200 --> 02:11:05,480
Speaker 5: got to change how we dress now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this could actually fuck up our ability to carry

2123
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Speaker 2: out our mission. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Further complicating matters, fifteen hundred soldiers from the eleventh Airborne

2125
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Speaker 4: Division at Fort Waynworth and Alaska have been placed on standby,

2126
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Speaker 4: with Pentagon officials telling CBS News that they are preparing

2127
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Speaker 4: to deploy to Minneapolis due to the Eleventh Airborne Division's

2128
02:11:27,120 --> 02:11:29,520
Speaker 4: Arctic Forte. There has also been public speculation that this

2129
02:11:29,560 --> 02:11:32,760
Speaker 4: activation may be related to rising tensions over Greenland, but

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Speaker 4: that has no basis based on what officials are saying

2131
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Speaker 4: at the moment. Yeah A Sunday protest in Saint Paul

2132
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Speaker 4: disrupted a church service because protesters believe that one of

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Speaker 4: the pastors is also the head of the Saint Paul

2134
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Speaker 4: ice Field Office, David Easterwood. Easterwood's profile on the church's

2135
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Speaker 4: website does appear to match the identity of the head

2136
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Speaker 4: of the local ice Field office. Later that day, Attorney

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Speaker 4: General Pambondi released a statement quote attacks against law enforcement

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Speaker 4: and the intimidation of Christians are being met with the

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Speaker 4: full force of federal law.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 4: The Department of Justice announced that it was launching an

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Speaker 4: investigation into the protesters, including TV journalist Don Lemon, who

2143
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Speaker 4: was streaming inside the church, for possible violations of the

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Speaker 4: Face Act, which makes it a federal crime to interfere

2145
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Speaker 4: with people trying to access reproductive clinic services or exercise

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Speaker 4: their Firstmendment right of religious freedom at a place of worship.

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Speaker 4: Harmet Dylan, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, has also

2148
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Speaker 4: invoked the Clan Act as a justification to bring conspiracy

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Speaker 4: charges against protest attendees, darkly ironic since this very protest

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02:12:42,760 --> 02:12:46,080
Speaker 4: was partially put on by Black Lives Matter Minnesota.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's also particularly well given like we've been driving

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02:12:50,760 --> 02:12:54,160
Speaker 8: around today and seen multiple churches with like ice go

2153
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:58,360
Speaker 8: home kind of messaging. Obviously those people are not going

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02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:00,280
Speaker 8: to be protected in the same way, right if they

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02:13:00,360 --> 02:13:02,760
Speaker 8: choose to take care of migrants, Like I don't think

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02:13:02,760 --> 02:13:05,919
Speaker 8: I've seen any churches with like anything other than that messaging.

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Speaker 2: And in time cruising around today, I.

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Speaker 5: Haven't seen any pro ice messaging anywhere, any pro Trump

2159
02:13:12,760 --> 02:13:17,000
Speaker 5: messaging period. I have never seen a more united this

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02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:18,839
Speaker 5: city in my life.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's genuinely remarkable, like to see people who's I

2162
02:13:23,240 --> 02:13:26,000
Speaker 8: don't think they would like identify as having radical politics,

2163
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:28,960
Speaker 8: but they are like out standing on street corners in

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02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:32,600
Speaker 8: the freezing cold just to try and keep their neighborhoods safe.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is the this is the warmer day of

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02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:36,440
Speaker 5: the week. And I went and got all this like

2167
02:13:36,520 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 5: extra snow gear, and I live in the mountains, right

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Speaker 5: that is like where I live, and I'm standing there

2169
02:13:42,480 --> 02:13:45,200
Speaker 5: in most of my extra snow gear and everyone's like,

2170
02:13:45,400 --> 02:13:48,800
Speaker 5: today's the warm day. Everything's fine, and I'm like I

2171
02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:49,960
Speaker 5: need to get inside soon.

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02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:53,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I will die. Welcome to walk to Minnesota.

2173
02:13:53,880 --> 02:13:55,160
Speaker 3: Winters die.

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Speaker 5: We're talking to a seventy six year old with no

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02:13:57,800 --> 02:13:58,120
Speaker 5: hat on.

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02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:04,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, degree is incredible, warmed by pure anger. I mean,

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Speaker 8: that is warm, but she was ready to take on

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02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:11,280
Speaker 8: the world. It was really Yeah, it's genuinely really wonderful

2179
02:14:11,320 --> 02:14:12,760
Speaker 8: to see Like we went out, we talked to these

2180
02:14:12,760 --> 02:14:15,520
Speaker 8: people for a while, some folks stop by and it's

2181
02:14:15,600 --> 02:14:20,040
Speaker 8: just feeding everyone. It's really nice to see a community

2182
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:23,680
Speaker 8: like entirely in lockstep taking care of one another.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like, to me so far, like the

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02:14:26,160 --> 02:14:30,560
Speaker 5: actual headline around Minneapolis is that, like, obviously there's like

2185
02:14:30,600 --> 02:14:34,920
Speaker 5: these instances of really horrific violence coming from the state

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02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:38,200
Speaker 5: or coming from the federal government, right, But the actual

2187
02:14:39,120 --> 02:14:41,640
Speaker 5: story that so far, the people we've talked to want

2188
02:14:41,880 --> 02:14:45,000
Speaker 5: to get across is this. They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2189
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:46,560
Speaker 5: journalists come here and just want to cover all the

2190
02:14:46,600 --> 02:14:51,760
Speaker 5: bad stuff that's happened here. But this horizontal organizing and

2191
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:55,960
Speaker 5: this like feeling of togetherness and also more than anything else,

2192
02:14:56,040 --> 02:14:58,080
Speaker 5: like I think even when you talk about the bad

2193
02:14:58,120 --> 02:15:01,800
Speaker 5: thing that's happening, it's federal occupation, right, and like people

2194
02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:04,560
Speaker 5: are very very aware of the fact that this is

2195
02:15:04,600 --> 02:15:09,800
Speaker 5: an outside force occupying the city and it and so

2196
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:13,320
Speaker 5: even like anything that's happening, like individual bad actions taken

2197
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:15,800
Speaker 5: by the federal police, I think it needs to be

2198
02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:18,880
Speaker 5: understood that, like, no one here is buying any other

2199
02:15:19,000 --> 02:15:23,320
Speaker 5: line besides, no, this outside force is here to steal

2200
02:15:23,320 --> 02:15:25,839
Speaker 5: our neighbors, right and us.

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Speaker 8: You'll go past like fancy coffee shops and random like

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02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:34,040
Speaker 8: like businesses, like I've seen businesses before having signs that

2203
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:37,000
Speaker 8: say like refugees welcome and we cherishow migrant neighbors. But

2204
02:15:37,200 --> 02:15:38,920
Speaker 8: the ones here will also say like Ice get out

2205
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:40,840
Speaker 8: of town, Ice, go home. We don't want you here,

2206
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:44,960
Speaker 8: Like people like yeah, yeah, yeah, Like people are not

2207
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:48,120
Speaker 8: having it to a degree, which like I don't think

2208
02:15:48,160 --> 02:15:51,040
Speaker 8: I've seen that. You know, I wasn't in Chicago during

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02:15:51,080 --> 02:15:53,200
Speaker 8: the time that Ice was there, was in Los Angeles.

2210
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:58,720
Speaker 8: But like every neighborhood here feels like the neighborhoods sort

2211
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:02,000
Speaker 8: of most in lockstep in those cities, right, every neighborhood

2212
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:05,240
Speaker 8: we've been to, right, like in heavily Latino neighborhoods where

2213
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:07,960
Speaker 8: I live. Yeah, everyone's watching out for each other. Meant

2214
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:10,400
Speaker 8: in San Diego that is, but like here and every

2215
02:16:10,480 --> 02:16:12,920
Speaker 8: single neighborhood, everyone is watching out for each other from

2216
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:17,280
Speaker 8: what we've seen, And like it is folks of every

2217
02:16:17,480 --> 02:16:21,600
Speaker 8: age and demographic standing on street corners in the freezing cold,

2218
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:24,160
Speaker 8: just pulling a shift to keep an eye out.

2219
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:25,120
Speaker 2: It's remarkable.

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02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2221
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:28,000
Speaker 5: I was like, there's no way. People are like, oh,

2222
02:16:28,080 --> 02:16:30,280
Speaker 5: every neighborhood has like a neighborhood watch, and I'm like, yeah,

2223
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:33,040
Speaker 5: I don't know. There's like two people per neighborhood wandering

2224
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:35,280
Speaker 5: at any given time. Like I was like, how can

2225
02:16:35,320 --> 02:16:37,360
Speaker 5: you watch a whole city? And like, oh, the answer

2226
02:16:37,480 --> 02:16:38,760
Speaker 5: is everyone in the city does it.

2227
02:16:39,560 --> 02:16:40,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2228
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:42,600
Speaker 8: That's the story that I want people to take from this,

2229
02:16:42,760 --> 02:16:47,440
Speaker 8: is that like nobody here wants this, and they're not

2230
02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:50,320
Speaker 8: just like angry and going on the internet. They're angry

2231
02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:53,760
Speaker 8: and getting to know their neighbors, going and organizing each other,

2232
02:16:53,920 --> 02:16:56,600
Speaker 8: taking care of one another, and doing the things that

2233
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:58,960
Speaker 8: they can do to keep each other safe.

2234
02:17:00,240 --> 02:17:03,920
Speaker 4: During Trump's three hundred and sixty five days in office

2235
02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:07,800
Speaker 4: press conference this past Tuesday, he discussed the killing of

2236
02:17:07,879 --> 02:17:12,400
Speaker 4: Renee Good and expressed hope that Good's parents would continue

2237
02:17:12,440 --> 02:17:14,279
Speaker 4: to support President Trump.

2238
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:17,279
Speaker 2: Let's watch amazing.

2239
02:17:17,560 --> 02:17:19,959
Speaker 8: Yeah, come damn, I haven't seen it.

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02:17:20,320 --> 02:17:23,959
Speaker 4: Well you are unlucky enough to see it now.

2241
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:25,520
Speaker 2: No, we'll do it live.

2242
02:17:26,200 --> 02:17:27,960
Speaker 4: It's gross, it's weird.

2243
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,400
Speaker 8: Garson'spootingaupex dot com the everything website.

2244
02:17:32,640 --> 02:17:34,400
Speaker 6: And you know they're going to make mistakes.

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02:17:34,400 --> 02:17:36,720
Speaker 10: Sometimes Ice is going to be too rough with somebody,

2246
02:17:36,879 --> 02:17:38,680
Speaker 10: or you know they're dealing with rough people.

2247
02:17:39,320 --> 02:17:41,800
Speaker 6: Are they going to make a mistake? Sometimes it can happen.

2248
02:17:41,879 --> 02:17:47,119
Speaker 6: We feel terribly. I felt horribly.

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Speaker 10: When I was told that the young woman who was

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Speaker 10: I had the tragedy. It's a tragedy. It's a horrible thing.

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02:17:54,600 --> 02:17:57,800
Speaker 10: Everybody would say. Ice would say the same thing. But

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02:17:58,680 --> 02:18:03,160
Speaker 10: when I learned her parents, and her father in particular,

2253
02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:05,840
Speaker 10: is like, I hope he still is, but I don't know.

2254
02:18:06,640 --> 02:18:10,160
Speaker 10: It was a tremendous Trump fan. He was all for Trump.

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Speaker 10: I loved Trump, and uh, you know, it's terrible. I

2256
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:18,720
Speaker 10: was told that by a lot of people. They said, oh,

2257
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:20,680
Speaker 10: he loves you, he he was.

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02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:21,480
Speaker 6: I hoped.

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02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:24,040
Speaker 10: I hope he still feels that way or that's hard,

2260
02:18:24,400 --> 02:18:28,119
Speaker 10: hard situation. But her father was a tremendous and parents

2261
02:18:28,640 --> 02:18:30,600
Speaker 10: were tremendous Trump fans.

2262
02:18:31,720 --> 02:18:34,520
Speaker 6: That's so sad it just happens. It's terrible.

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02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:37,920
Speaker 2: What is there even to say? You know, what do you?

2264
02:18:38,320 --> 02:18:43,160
Speaker 2: How do you the fuck? Yeah, it's it's interesting that

2265
02:18:43,240 --> 02:18:47,199
Speaker 2: he's he seems to be capable of, like legitimately being

2266
02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:49,160
Speaker 2: upset at the thought of one of his fans not

2267
02:18:49,240 --> 02:18:52,680
Speaker 2: liking him anymore. Yeah, Like that's weird the fact that

2268
02:18:52,720 --> 02:18:54,200
Speaker 2: he like he brings it up in a way that

2269
02:18:54,280 --> 02:18:58,400
Speaker 2: suggests like there's no artifice there, right, Yeah, like that

2270
02:18:58,400 --> 02:19:01,959
Speaker 2: that's the genuineness of like, oh, he actually seems to

2271
02:19:01,959 --> 02:19:04,200
Speaker 2: be slightly disturbed at the thought of one of his

2272
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:07,720
Speaker 2: fans no longer liking him, even though his secret police

2273
02:19:07,800 --> 02:19:13,000
Speaker 2: murdered that guy's daughter. That's fascinating. It doesn't change anything, Like,

2274
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's nothing to do with that information,

2275
02:19:15,640 --> 02:19:21,439
Speaker 2: but it's a fascinating understanding Donald Trump's mind data point. Yeah.

2276
02:19:21,640 --> 02:19:23,560
Speaker 4: No, it is one of the weird things where you

2277
02:19:23,720 --> 02:19:26,440
Speaker 4: kind of see him be sincere and genuine briefly, but

2278
02:19:26,440 --> 02:19:28,560
Speaker 4: it's for such a fucking weird thing.

2279
02:19:28,920 --> 02:19:29,200
Speaker 3: Weird.

2280
02:19:29,360 --> 02:19:33,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like he understands that You're like, well,

2281
02:19:33,879 --> 02:19:36,480
Speaker 5: you know, maybe maybe he doesn't like me anymore, but

2282
02:19:36,879 --> 02:19:37,520
Speaker 5: I hope he does.

2283
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this would be a reason to change his opinion

2284
02:19:40,040 --> 02:19:41,840
Speaker 2: of me. But yeah, I.

2285
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:42,959
Speaker 5: Murdered his child.

2286
02:19:43,400 --> 02:19:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I don't know what else to say about that.

2287
02:19:48,120 --> 02:19:50,119
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't either.

2288
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:53,320
Speaker 4: So part of the whole reason why ICE is doing

2289
02:19:53,440 --> 02:19:59,000
Speaker 4: this operation in Minnesota, Operation Metro Surge. This was started

2290
02:19:59,160 --> 02:20:02,119
Speaker 4: in part due to allegations of COVID relief of fraud

2291
02:20:02,200 --> 02:20:07,080
Speaker 4: among the Somali community in Minnesota. ICE Dirrector Todd LLINs

2292
02:20:07,240 --> 02:20:09,760
Speaker 4: went on Fox News earlier this month in the lead

2293
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:12,640
Speaker 4: up to ICE's mass deployment to address this.

2294
02:20:13,200 --> 02:20:15,640
Speaker 11: You know, one thing we're really focused on is the

2295
02:20:15,680 --> 02:20:20,039
Speaker 11: fact that unfortunately, with Minnesota's sanctuary laws and jurisdictions, it

2296
02:20:20,080 --> 02:20:21,640
Speaker 11: attracts these type of frousts.

2297
02:20:21,959 --> 02:20:24,080
Speaker 3: It attracts people that do take.

2298
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:26,240
Speaker 11: Money away from the hard working Americans in the people

2299
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:29,920
Speaker 11: of Minnesota. We want to help root out these people

2300
02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:31,959
Speaker 11: that are committing fraud. And you look at the billions

2301
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:34,440
Speaker 11: of dollars that potentially could have been stolen, that could

2302
02:20:34,440 --> 02:20:37,560
Speaker 11: have gone to foreign terrorist organizations that we're really focused on.

2303
02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:39,280
Speaker 11: So we're hoping to get to the bottom of that.

2304
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:43,160
Speaker 4: So as ICE is currently hoping to get to the

2305
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:48,080
Speaker 4: bottom of this fraud problem in Minnesota. Just this past week,

2306
02:20:48,200 --> 02:20:52,760
Speaker 4: Trump has pardoned at least eleven white collar fraudsters.

2307
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:55,280
Speaker 5: I think we can all agree the biggest problem with

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02:20:55,320 --> 02:20:58,920
Speaker 5: that clip was the type oe in ice at the

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02:20:58,959 --> 02:21:02,480
Speaker 5: bottom where they Fox News didn't put the period after

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02:21:02,520 --> 02:21:04,560
Speaker 5: the E in ice, but they put the period after

2311
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:06,840
Speaker 5: the I in the sea. I think we can all agree.

2312
02:21:07,400 --> 02:21:11,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, get on it, Todd. Actually, uh, Fox News is

2313
02:21:11,360 --> 02:21:14,720
Speaker 4: hiring is hiring a graphic design position in New York

2314
02:21:14,760 --> 02:21:16,680
Speaker 4: right now. So if you want to apply to fix

2315
02:21:16,840 --> 02:21:18,960
Speaker 4: the graphics, see you later, losers.

2316
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:23,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, can you use Chad Gpt They probably did.

2317
02:21:23,640 --> 02:21:24,480
Speaker 2: Here's a job for you.

2318
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2319
02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:28,920
Speaker 4: Let's go on break and then talk about as Trump

2320
02:21:28,959 --> 02:21:30,360
Speaker 4: calls it, Iceland.

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02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:49,039
Speaker 2: Jesus and we're back. First off, if you need to

2322
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:52,840
Speaker 2: tell the difference between Greenland and Iceland, just remember the

2323
02:21:53,080 --> 02:21:55,280
Speaker 2: words of wisdom from either the first or the second

2324
02:21:55,360 --> 02:22:01,080
Speaker 2: Mighty Ducks movie. Right, quack quack Greenland is and Iceland

2325
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,640
Speaker 2: is nice? Is the is the way to remember the two?

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02:22:03,800 --> 02:22:06,080
Speaker 4: Well, he can't spell nice without ice, Robert.

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02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:09,200
Speaker 2: That's rights in Iceland. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's how you

2328
02:22:09,240 --> 02:22:11,040
Speaker 2: tell the difference. That's a little that's a little tip

2329
02:22:11,080 --> 02:22:14,080
Speaker 2: for the president and everyone else, I guess trying to remember.

2330
02:22:14,120 --> 02:22:17,040
Speaker 5: That's probably that's how I've known the difference my entire life,

2331
02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:19,600
Speaker 5: and it's almost certainly because of watching The Mighty Ducks and.

2332
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:24,199
Speaker 2: The Mighty Ducks. Yeah, exactly, exactly the Mighty Ducks films. Sorry, yeah,

2333
02:22:24,280 --> 02:22:27,520
Speaker 2: shout out to my Iceland friends. I enjoyed Iceland very much.

2334
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:30,280
Speaker 2: Shout out to whoever made the Mighty Ducks. Yeah, I know,

2335
02:22:30,360 --> 02:22:33,000
Speaker 2: the knowledge of the creation has been lost in time.

2336
02:22:33,480 --> 02:22:35,800
Speaker 5: It was actually the whole thing was actually a propaganda

2337
02:22:35,800 --> 02:22:39,000
Speaker 5: film by the Iceland tourist industry, a little known in fact.

2338
02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:42,680
Speaker 2: That's right, big Iceland. We are reporting this on the

2339
02:22:42,760 --> 02:22:45,880
Speaker 2: day that it looks like Donald Trump may have just blinked.

2340
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:50,960
Speaker 2: He put up a truth announcing that he had reached

2341
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:54,440
Speaker 2: an arrangement with NATO and that tariffs would not be

2342
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:58,320
Speaker 2: necessary against all of Western Europe. Basically, it's kind of

2343
02:22:58,400 --> 02:23:02,480
Speaker 2: unclear the details of the deal. He's saying that it's

2344
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:06,440
Speaker 2: a big, permanent thing. The US has sorted out its

2345
02:23:06,480 --> 02:23:10,080
Speaker 2: security needs. Doesn't seem like we're going to be invading Greenland.

2346
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:12,440
Speaker 2: But you know, it's also Donald Trump, So we could

2347
02:23:12,440 --> 02:23:14,840
Speaker 2: be in a very different position tomorrow. But that's kind

2348
02:23:14,840 --> 02:23:16,600
Speaker 2: of the big update right now.

2349
02:23:16,840 --> 02:23:18,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about kind of the lead up to

2350
02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:23,520
Speaker 4: this ye moment. I suppose sure, multiple EU nations and

2351
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:27,920
Speaker 4: Denmark have sent troops to Greenland the past two weeks

2352
02:23:28,360 --> 02:23:32,680
Speaker 4: for the Arctic Endurance military exercise aimed at countering Russian

2353
02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:36,800
Speaker 4: security threats and to demonstrate that European NATO countries have

2354
02:23:36,840 --> 02:23:41,200
Speaker 4: the capacity to defend Arctic territory without the US needing

2355
02:23:41,240 --> 02:23:44,960
Speaker 4: control over Greenland. Now, Trump took this military deployment as

2356
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:49,080
Speaker 4: a personal slight and levied tariffs in retaliation, posting on

2357
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:53,280
Speaker 4: true social quote. Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the United Kingdom,

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Speaker 4: the Netherlands and Finland have journeyed to Greenland for purposes unknown.

2359
02:23:58,520 --> 02:24:01,600
Speaker 4: This is a very dangerous situation for the safety, security

2360
02:24:01,640 --> 02:24:05,879
Speaker 4: and survival of our planet. Those countries who are playing

2361
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:09,600
Speaker 4: this very dangerous game have put a level of risk

2362
02:24:09,720 --> 02:24:13,440
Speaker 4: in play that is not tenable or sustainable. Therefore, it

2363
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:17,680
Speaker 4: is imperative that, in order to protect global peace and security,

2364
02:24:18,040 --> 02:24:21,959
Speaker 4: strong measures be taken so that this potentially perilous situation

2365
02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:26,680
Speaker 4: and quickly and without question unquote. He then announced ten

2366
02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:30,440
Speaker 4: percent tariffs against all of these nations, which would increase

2367
02:24:30,480 --> 02:24:32,480
Speaker 4: to twenty five percent next month.

2368
02:24:33,160 --> 02:24:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess my gut feeling is, you know, to reef,

2369
02:24:37,640 --> 02:24:41,320
Speaker 2: you know, like it. But beyond that, this is kind

2370
02:24:41,360 --> 02:24:45,600
Speaker 2: of just what Trump does now, right, is he threatens

2371
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:48,920
Speaker 2: everyone with like whatever the nuclear option is, short of

2372
02:24:48,959 --> 02:24:51,480
Speaker 2: the literal nuclear option, which in this case is nuking

2373
02:24:51,560 --> 02:24:54,360
Speaker 2: global trade. And then it kind of blows up in

2374
02:24:54,360 --> 02:24:57,320
Speaker 2: his face because the EU actually has the ability to

2375
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:01,280
Speaker 2: collapse the dollar status as a reserve currency, and the

2376
02:25:01,360 --> 02:25:03,160
Speaker 2: money awardens of the world are aware of that, which

2377
02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:05,880
Speaker 2: is why the draft Dow plunged eight hundred points yesterday

2378
02:25:06,480 --> 02:25:09,440
Speaker 2: and probably why Trump felt pressured to come to an

2379
02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:13,080
Speaker 2: accommodation with NATO. I don't know that he ever literally

2380
02:25:13,080 --> 02:25:15,000
Speaker 2: planned on invading, although at this point I think you

2381
02:25:15,080 --> 02:25:18,000
Speaker 2: can't take that out of the equation. But like, this

2382
02:25:18,120 --> 02:25:21,280
Speaker 2: is just what he does now, right, Like none of

2383
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:24,920
Speaker 2: this is like it's wild because he might have literally

2384
02:25:25,080 --> 02:25:29,440
Speaker 2: bombed a fucking NATO member. But I don't know what

2385
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:30,400
Speaker 2: to say other than.

2386
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:33,240
Speaker 8: That, Yeah, I can I can explain a little bit

2387
02:25:33,240 --> 02:25:37,119
Speaker 8: more about the unhidden series of messages that Donald Trump

2388
02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:41,560
Speaker 8: has been sending to various world leaders. God, we know

2389
02:25:41,600 --> 02:25:44,920
Speaker 8: about these because they have all been released.

2390
02:25:44,600 --> 02:25:47,400
Speaker 4: Right, fantastic from Planetary Security.

2391
02:25:47,640 --> 02:25:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, thing is Fred's text?

2392
02:25:50,080 --> 02:25:54,600
Speaker 8: Well not just that, right, the Norwegians released the text

2393
02:25:55,080 --> 02:25:58,160
Speaker 8: that was sent by him to Norwegian Prime minister. Right,

2394
02:25:58,400 --> 02:26:01,640
Speaker 8: like the Norwegians, they're not normally like an impulsive nation.

2395
02:26:01,959 --> 02:26:04,160
Speaker 2: That's not what people know the Norwegians for now.

2396
02:26:04,600 --> 02:26:08,320
Speaker 8: No, they don't make big swings on the international scale

2397
02:26:08,720 --> 02:26:11,000
Speaker 8: very much, but they have done this time. So I'm

2398
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:13,359
Speaker 8: just going to quote write from his message to Norwegian

2399
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:17,480
Speaker 8: Prime minister quote, considering your country decided not to give

2400
02:26:17,480 --> 02:26:20,080
Speaker 8: me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped eight wars

2401
02:26:20,120 --> 02:26:23,560
Speaker 8: plus pluses all in caps, I no longer feel an

2402
02:26:23,560 --> 02:26:26,400
Speaker 8: obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always

2403
02:26:26,400 --> 02:26:28,920
Speaker 8: be predominant, but can now think about what is good

2404
02:26:28,959 --> 02:26:33,199
Speaker 8: and proper for the United States of America. Then Trump

2405
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:37,440
Speaker 8: released text from Mark Rutter, the NATO Secretary General, that

2406
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:41,680
Speaker 8: read quote, mister President, dear Donald, what you accomplished in

2407
02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:45,080
Speaker 8: Syria today is incredible. We will get onto that. Return

2408
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:47,120
Speaker 8: to the quote, I will use my media engagement to

2409
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:50,120
Speaker 8: Davos to highlight your work there in Gaza and in Ukraine.

2410
02:26:50,600 --> 02:26:53,160
Speaker 8: I am committed to finding a way forward on Greenland.

2411
02:26:53,320 --> 02:26:56,199
Speaker 8: Can't wait to see you. Do you have the French

2412
02:26:56,280 --> 02:27:00,440
Speaker 8: text as well? It's a French text.

2413
02:26:59,640 --> 02:27:00,039
Speaker 2: I do.

2414
02:27:00,600 --> 02:27:02,960
Speaker 8: I don't have it in here, but yes, the Macran

2415
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:05,320
Speaker 8: text message I'm more than happy to read because that

2416
02:27:05,320 --> 02:27:09,120
Speaker 8: one was pretty funny. Actually, so we are totally in

2417
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:12,440
Speaker 8: line on Syria. We can do great things in Iran. Interestingly,

2418
02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:15,279
Speaker 8: none of these sentences end with any punctuation. No punctuation,

2419
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:17,840
Speaker 8: no punctuation Macran rejoicing.

2420
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:21,720
Speaker 2: It not helpful, so I'll just read them in one

2421
02:27:21,800 --> 02:27:22,760
Speaker 2: continuous breath.

2422
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:25,680
Speaker 8: I do not understand what you're doing on Greenland. Let

2423
02:27:25,720 --> 02:27:29,840
Speaker 8: us try to build great things one lowercase. I can

2424
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:33,199
Speaker 8: set up a G seven lowercase G meeting after Davos

2425
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:36,640
Speaker 8: in Paris on Thursday afternoon. I can invite the Ukrainians

2426
02:27:36,640 --> 02:27:39,360
Speaker 8: to Danish Assyrians and the Russians in the margins.

2427
02:27:39,640 --> 02:27:39,879
Speaker 2: Two.

2428
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:42,280
Speaker 8: Let us have a dinner together in Paris together on

2429
02:27:42,400 --> 02:27:45,720
Speaker 8: Thursday before you go back to the US. I manuel

2430
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:48,400
Speaker 8: lots of flowercase in there. Actually, none of the countries

2431
02:27:48,440 --> 02:27:49,240
Speaker 8: getting up a case.

2432
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:52,680
Speaker 4: Imagine setting your situationship this text and then he just

2433
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:55,959
Speaker 4: posts it on true social Yeah, it's so violated.

2434
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:58,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's what's so weird to me is that this

2435
02:27:58,160 --> 02:28:00,920
Speaker 2: is almost word for word the text. I say, James,

2436
02:28:03,959 --> 02:28:04,640
Speaker 2: it's true.

2437
02:28:05,400 --> 02:28:07,720
Speaker 8: I've posted it on a new website.

2438
02:28:09,879 --> 02:28:13,160
Speaker 4: I do not understand what you were doing on Greenlands.

2439
02:28:13,240 --> 02:28:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2440
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:17,800
Speaker 8: I love that sentence, just floating on its own, like

2441
02:28:17,920 --> 02:28:19,519
Speaker 8: it's it's magnificent.

2442
02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:23,160
Speaker 2: It's magnificent. And it's also like, yeah, that is basically

2443
02:28:23,160 --> 02:28:25,080
Speaker 2: everyone feels like, man, I don't know what you're doing

2444
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:28,000
Speaker 2: on Greenlands, Like what is actually happening here?

2445
02:28:28,320 --> 02:28:29,800
Speaker 5: I mean, what do you do when like there's a

2446
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:32,720
Speaker 5: petulant child who also has a handgun or a nuke,

2447
02:28:32,879 --> 02:28:35,039
Speaker 5: you know, and you're just like shut up kid, Oh

2448
02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:37,720
Speaker 5: wait no, you could shoot me. Uh no, it's time

2449
02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:38,520
Speaker 5: for nap.

2450
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is why I have, like you know how

2451
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:43,840
Speaker 2: hotels have those like little sprinklers in the roof. I've

2452
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:47,240
Speaker 2: got one of those just for cs gas. Yeah, yeah,

2453
02:28:47,320 --> 02:28:49,160
Speaker 2: just to keep just to clear out the house in case,

2454
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:52,000
Speaker 2: you know, you gotta calm everybody down. That's what we

2455
02:28:52,040 --> 02:28:55,200
Speaker 2: need for the country. Yeah, we only need little holiday.

2456
02:28:55,640 --> 02:28:59,320
Speaker 8: Let's talk about Greenland, right, Greenland's a semi autonomous territory

2457
02:28:59,320 --> 02:29:02,279
Speaker 8: of denmarkt as a colony, and then over the twentieth

2458
02:29:02,320 --> 02:29:06,360
Speaker 8: century Greenlanders became Danish citizens and now they have like

2459
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:09,119
Speaker 8: the semi autonomous situation where that they have a lot

2460
02:29:09,160 --> 02:29:13,160
Speaker 8: of home rule, but they are still part of Denmark. Denmark,

2461
02:29:13,160 --> 02:29:15,279
Speaker 8: of course, is part of the EU and of NATO,

2462
02:29:15,440 --> 02:29:17,680
Speaker 8: so therefore they are part of the EU and part

2463
02:29:17,720 --> 02:29:18,240
Speaker 8: of NATO.

2464
02:29:18,360 --> 02:29:18,600
Speaker 3: Right.

2465
02:29:19,120 --> 02:29:22,200
Speaker 8: As we said earlier, Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, finn and

2466
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:25,039
Speaker 8: the Netherlands and the UK have also very small numbers

2467
02:29:25,080 --> 02:29:27,400
Speaker 8: of troops to the territory in the past couple of weeks.

2468
02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:31,320
Speaker 8: But the US is the one that has the most

2469
02:29:31,320 --> 02:29:33,880
Speaker 8: troops on Denmark, right, because the United States has a base,

2470
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:36,280
Speaker 8: so they've kept this base that since World War Two.

2471
02:29:36,480 --> 02:29:38,959
Speaker 8: It was there in World War two because the Nazis

2472
02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:43,520
Speaker 8: occupied Denmark, right, and then the United States garrison Greenland

2473
02:29:43,800 --> 02:29:46,160
Speaker 8: because it does have like they're not wrong in saying

2474
02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:49,879
Speaker 8: it has an important strategic position right where it is now, it's.

2475
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:52,680
Speaker 2: Really well located. And the reality of again this is

2476
02:29:52,680 --> 02:29:57,240
Speaker 2: another mark in the column of like conservatives pretending climate

2477
02:29:57,320 --> 02:29:59,640
Speaker 2: change isn't real and acting based on the realities of

2478
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:03,120
Speaker 2: climate change. Because of the warming oceans in that part

2479
02:30:03,160 --> 02:30:05,760
Speaker 2: of the world, it's going to become much more navigable.

2480
02:30:05,800 --> 02:30:08,440
Speaker 2: It used to not be as strategic because there was

2481
02:30:08,840 --> 02:30:12,119
Speaker 2: just less possibility of moving naval assets through the area.

2482
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:15,279
Speaker 2: And now that that's not going to be a problem

2483
02:30:15,320 --> 02:30:17,560
Speaker 2: because the world's warming and there's going to be less

2484
02:30:17,560 --> 02:30:21,359
Speaker 2: ice there, Greenland has much more much higher like strategic

2485
02:30:21,440 --> 02:30:24,879
Speaker 2: value just in terms of like as a place to

2486
02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:26,920
Speaker 2: have as a potential naval joke point.

2487
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:28,800
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, are you saying that the people who named

2488
02:30:28,840 --> 02:30:31,560
Speaker 5: it were actually being prescient ahead of the curve.

2489
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they were ahead of the curve. They weren't

2490
02:30:33,720 --> 02:30:35,840
Speaker 2: just trying to stop people from coming to Iceland. They

2491
02:30:35,879 --> 02:30:36,959
Speaker 2: foresaw it in the ruins.

2492
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:40,760
Speaker 8: So the US you speak, called Tula Air Force Base,

2493
02:30:41,080 --> 02:30:45,039
Speaker 8: and essentially the US has the right according to Defense

2494
02:30:45,080 --> 02:30:49,640
Speaker 8: Treaty creates Greenland to use Greenland to defend itself and

2495
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:50,840
Speaker 8: to defend the Arctic.

2496
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:51,160
Speaker 3: Right.

2497
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:53,760
Speaker 8: So what they previously had that during they kept the

2498
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:55,840
Speaker 8: base during the Cold War because it was where they

2499
02:30:55,879 --> 02:30:58,280
Speaker 8: would be able to identify missile launches coming from the

2500
02:30:58,320 --> 02:30:59,280
Speaker 8: former Soviet Union?

2501
02:30:59,720 --> 02:31:00,960
Speaker 2: Was it time the Soviet Union?

2502
02:31:01,040 --> 02:31:01,200
Speaker 12: Right?

2503
02:31:01,800 --> 02:31:04,200
Speaker 8: And then they could intercept from from there with their

2504
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:07,240
Speaker 8: air Force base. They now it is now a space

2505
02:31:07,320 --> 02:31:11,840
Speaker 8: Force space. Yeah, it's now the Petrifix Spaceport Space.

2506
02:31:11,920 --> 02:31:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2507
02:31:13,360 --> 02:31:16,360
Speaker 8: And the US can expand or garrison this base as

2508
02:31:16,400 --> 02:31:20,119
Speaker 8: it needs to write, like the majority of Greenland, it's

2509
02:31:20,200 --> 02:31:23,680
Speaker 8: all occupied, right, but it is not like I guess,

2510
02:31:23,879 --> 02:31:25,280
Speaker 8: urbanized or built upon.

2511
02:31:25,400 --> 02:31:25,520
Speaker 2: Right.

2512
02:31:25,560 --> 02:31:27,480
Speaker 8: The US could expand this base, it could add more

2513
02:31:27,480 --> 02:31:30,520
Speaker 8: assets to this base, but the United States has decided

2514
02:31:30,600 --> 02:31:33,720
Speaker 8: that it's not enough and that it needs total sovereignty

2515
02:31:33,800 --> 02:31:36,560
Speaker 8: over Greenland. So there are a few ways it could

2516
02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:39,480
Speaker 8: achieve that, and we should just be explicit about those, right.

2517
02:31:39,560 --> 02:31:43,840
Speaker 8: The first is obviously by direct military action. That still

2518
02:31:43,879 --> 02:31:46,840
Speaker 8: seems relatively unlikely, but who knows these days.

2519
02:31:46,840 --> 02:31:47,360
Speaker 3: Hopefully.

2520
02:31:47,760 --> 02:31:52,039
Speaker 8: Yeah, there is an influence campaign that they're trying, right,

2521
02:31:52,040 --> 02:31:55,800
Speaker 8: that they're attempting to influence Greenlanders into wanting to become American.

2522
02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:59,160
Speaker 8: The polling data I have shown so that Greenlanders do

2523
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:02,760
Speaker 8: favor in the hindants. But yeah, they do not favor

2524
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:06,119
Speaker 8: joining the United States. They wouldn't mind leaving Denmark, and.

2525
02:32:06,120 --> 02:32:09,760
Speaker 2: Also overwhelmingly when presented with a choice between the United

2526
02:32:09,800 --> 02:32:12,640
Speaker 2: States or Denmark, would prefer to remain part of death.

2527
02:32:12,680 --> 02:32:16,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that situation right now, it's one that like

2528
02:32:17,320 --> 02:32:18,920
Speaker 8: they don't want to go out the frying pan into

2529
02:32:18,920 --> 02:32:19,800
Speaker 8: the fire, so to speak.

2530
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:22,440
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, for reasons that make no sense to

2531
02:32:22,480 --> 02:32:24,720
Speaker 2: me as I text my friend about the doctor visit

2532
02:32:24,800 --> 02:32:25,959
Speaker 2: they can't afford.

2533
02:32:26,320 --> 02:32:29,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like it's interesting seeming as interviews where they're like,

2534
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:30,760
Speaker 8: why would we want that? We've seen what you people

2535
02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:31,480
Speaker 8: have for healthcare?

2536
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:35,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, what sucks? What is the appeal of being America?

2537
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:38,920
Speaker 8: If Denmark has any spaces, California you know will join you.

2538
02:32:39,640 --> 02:32:42,880
Speaker 8: So yeah, the other option will be to purchase it, right,

2539
02:32:42,959 --> 02:32:45,480
Speaker 8: which is not on the card. It's like Greenland is

2540
02:32:45,560 --> 02:32:48,680
Speaker 8: not for sale. So yeah, me, do you want to

2541
02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:51,840
Speaker 8: talk about this this tariff campaign they've been suggesting that

2542
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:52,760
Speaker 8: they're going to leverage.

2543
02:32:53,040 --> 02:32:58,480
Speaker 2: Wait a second, what's that, James? Did you say?

2544
02:33:00,560 --> 02:33:07,199
Speaker 4: Jazz rocky jazz, bot.

2545
02:33:07,360 --> 02:33:10,640
Speaker 3: Rock, jazz rocky jazz.

2546
02:33:10,400 --> 02:33:10,879
Speaker 9: Bob.

2547
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:15,000
Speaker 3: By God, it's Mia Wong's music.

2548
02:33:15,240 --> 02:33:16,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I bet you would have picked that.

2549
02:33:18,480 --> 02:33:20,840
Speaker 8: We asked me what she wanted. She wrote it so made.

2550
02:33:20,920 --> 02:33:22,760
Speaker 8: She went into a room, she wrote down music notes

2551
02:33:22,760 --> 02:33:24,280
Speaker 8: on a piece of paper, and she came out with

2552
02:33:24,320 --> 02:33:24,840
Speaker 8: something that.

2553
02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:26,520
Speaker 2: Turned out somebody else had done it before.

2554
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:29,760
Speaker 3: Well we couldn't. We couldn't licensed Barracuda. So this is

2555
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:31,039
Speaker 3: this is this is what we got.

2556
02:33:31,879 --> 02:33:34,080
Speaker 2: That we actually were not trying to make a parody.

2557
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:35,720
Speaker 2: This is one of those things like the evolution of

2558
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:38,280
Speaker 2: the bow and arrow. We just kind of independently recreated

2559
02:33:38,360 --> 02:33:41,400
Speaker 2: rock the kasba, but based around tariffs from fresh principles.

2560
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:43,160
Speaker 5: That's the carsonization of songs.

2561
02:33:43,280 --> 02:33:46,600
Speaker 2: That's right, carsonalization of songs. All music becomes rock the

2562
02:33:46,680 --> 02:33:49,119
Speaker 2: kasvo if you if you had given it up, give.

2563
02:33:48,959 --> 02:33:51,560
Speaker 8: It long enough on the Galapagos Islands. That's what we

2564
02:33:51,560 --> 02:33:52,920
Speaker 8: sent me here to write a song on. She was

2565
02:33:52,959 --> 02:33:54,320
Speaker 8: on the Glapica Islands for a long time.

2566
02:33:54,840 --> 02:33:57,920
Speaker 3: That's right, very nice there, so so speaker speaking of

2567
02:33:57,959 --> 02:34:02,840
Speaker 3: things changing very very quickly. So two days ago, as

2568
02:34:02,920 --> 02:34:06,280
Speaker 3: we are recording this, Trump was interviewed about these terrorists

2569
02:34:06,280 --> 02:34:08,760
Speaker 3: he was going to impose by I think it was NBC,

2570
02:34:08,959 --> 02:34:12,879
Speaker 3: and he said, quote, I will one hundred percent. It

2571
02:34:12,959 --> 02:34:16,560
Speaker 3: is now Wednesday, and he has backed off of the tariffs.

2572
02:34:17,480 --> 02:34:21,119
Speaker 2: Tomorrow truly another day, who knows.

2573
02:34:21,560 --> 02:34:24,720
Speaker 3: Who knows. I think it's kind of worth noting as

2574
02:34:24,760 --> 02:34:27,440
Speaker 3: of right now when we're recording this. Everyone is kind

2575
02:34:27,440 --> 02:34:30,120
Speaker 3: of treating this as if this is over. But except

2576
02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:33,440
Speaker 3: for the German finance minister who said, quote, it's good

2577
02:34:33,440 --> 02:34:35,800
Speaker 3: they are engaged in dialogue. We have to wait a

2578
02:34:35,800 --> 02:34:38,320
Speaker 3: bit and not get our hopes up so soon. Yeah,

2579
02:34:38,320 --> 02:34:42,280
Speaker 3: which is significant. That's that's the smart play too. Yeah. Yeah.

2580
02:34:42,320 --> 02:34:44,879
Speaker 3: And this is significant because Germany, as we'll get you

2581
02:34:44,920 --> 02:34:47,120
Speaker 3: in a second, Germany has been one of the major

2582
02:34:48,160 --> 02:34:51,480
Speaker 3: EU countries that does not want to deploy what is

2583
02:34:51,520 --> 02:34:53,800
Speaker 3: being called and I can't believe I'm saying this, the

2584
02:34:53,879 --> 02:34:58,920
Speaker 3: trade bazuka. So it's called the every single to go

2585
02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:01,760
Speaker 3: today it is called what is the trade bazuka?

2586
02:35:01,879 --> 02:35:04,400
Speaker 2: It's okay, we're all asking ourselves that, aren't.

2587
02:35:04,200 --> 02:35:07,800
Speaker 3: We I okay. So before we get to the trade

2588
02:35:07,800 --> 02:35:10,600
Speaker 3: of bazuka, it's worth noting that in terms of the

2589
02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:13,960
Speaker 3: retaliation that has been being planned by the EU against

2590
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:15,959
Speaker 3: the US for trying to do this, there's actually two

2591
02:35:15,959 --> 02:35:19,920
Speaker 3: different things on the table. One is a package of

2592
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:22,320
Speaker 3: tariffs that we've actually talked about before on this show.

2593
02:35:22,360 --> 02:35:24,840
Speaker 3: That was the package of tariffs that EU developed as

2594
02:35:24,920 --> 02:35:27,640
Speaker 3: part of the trade negotiations. Well, basically it was developed

2595
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:31,000
Speaker 3: in response to Liberation Day tariffs last year. They'd been

2596
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:33,840
Speaker 3: suspended as part of trade negotiations with the US, and

2597
02:35:33,879 --> 02:35:36,880
Speaker 3: the US and the EU had finally reached an agreement,

2598
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:40,360
Speaker 3: and then Trump said this and the EU backed out.

2599
02:35:40,760 --> 02:35:44,240
Speaker 3: So who knows what the tariff's status is going to

2600
02:35:44,280 --> 02:35:46,280
Speaker 3: be and if the EU and the US are going

2601
02:35:46,280 --> 02:35:48,760
Speaker 3: to continue to have come to this agreement that was

2602
02:35:48,760 --> 02:35:52,320
Speaker 3: supposed to stave these things. So these retaliatory terrorists were

2603
02:35:52,320 --> 02:35:55,240
Speaker 3: supposed to go into effect on February seventh. We had

2604
02:35:55,720 --> 02:36:00,200
Speaker 3: just negotiated it not coming in. These are there are

2605
02:36:00,200 --> 02:36:03,080
Speaker 3: a bunch of targeted tariffs on a bunch of US

2606
02:36:03,160 --> 02:36:05,520
Speaker 3: goods that are specifically designed to hit red States. The

2607
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:07,720
Speaker 3: most famous of these is, for example, there's there's specific

2608
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:12,640
Speaker 3: tariffs on like Kentucky bourbon and whiskey and stuff, but

2609
02:36:12,680 --> 02:36:16,080
Speaker 3: it also hits Boeing, a bunch of Rydom consumer goods.

2610
02:36:16,120 --> 02:36:19,520
Speaker 3: It's just like chewing gum. It's on roughly one hundred

2611
02:36:19,560 --> 02:36:22,600
Speaker 3: billion dollars of US goods. I think the biggest pressure

2612
02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:25,600
Speaker 3: points here are Boeing in general dynamics. There's tariffs on

2613
02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:28,640
Speaker 3: car companies. There's also very importantly there was a twenty

2614
02:36:28,680 --> 02:36:31,119
Speaker 3: five percent tariff in here on soybeans, which I think

2615
02:36:31,160 --> 02:36:34,240
Speaker 3: is a major leverage point because the US continues to

2616
02:36:34,280 --> 02:36:36,480
Speaker 3: need a market to sell all the soybeans that China's

2617
02:36:36,520 --> 02:36:37,039
Speaker 3: not buying.

2618
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:39,360
Speaker 2: And yeah, China ain't buying them right now. We just

2619
02:36:39,400 --> 02:36:41,760
Speaker 2: had another month where they bought none of our soybeans.

2620
02:36:42,200 --> 02:36:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2621
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:44,720
Speaker 4: So these are the tariffs that the EU was going

2622
02:36:44,760 --> 02:36:48,039
Speaker 4: to put into effect on February seventh in response to

2623
02:36:48,200 --> 02:36:49,920
Speaker 4: the Greenland tariffs.

2624
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:52,560
Speaker 3: No, okay, sorry, back this up. This is a tariff

2625
02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:55,840
Speaker 3: measure that was originally designed back in May of last

2626
02:36:55,920 --> 02:36:58,480
Speaker 3: year in response to Trump's original ride of tariffs a

2627
02:36:58,480 --> 02:37:02,320
Speaker 3: Liberation Day tariffs. Yeah, they've been suspended until now, and

2628
02:37:02,440 --> 02:37:04,920
Speaker 3: they were about to just not go into effect at all. However,

2629
02:37:04,959 --> 02:37:07,240
Speaker 3: the EU immediately has been like, okay, maybe we are

2630
02:37:07,320 --> 02:37:08,480
Speaker 3: going to impose these ones.

2631
02:37:08,560 --> 02:37:13,080
Speaker 4: Ah, got it because of Trump's new because greenlands leverage tariffs.

2632
02:37:13,240 --> 02:37:15,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see. So this is this is one of

2633
02:37:15,920 --> 02:37:18,560
Speaker 3: the two options that EU has. The other option and

2634
02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:22,039
Speaker 3: this is okay, getting those tariffs would be a little

2635
02:37:22,040 --> 02:37:25,440
Speaker 3: bit difficult, but that's significantly the more likely option. The

2636
02:37:25,560 --> 02:37:28,000
Speaker 3: other option, the thing you've been hearing about, which is

2637
02:37:28,080 --> 02:37:30,600
Speaker 3: the trade Bazuka, which.

2638
02:37:30,440 --> 02:37:33,560
Speaker 4: Was also my grinder screen name at the RNC.

2639
02:37:33,640 --> 02:37:36,560
Speaker 3: Trade bzuk you either get it?

2640
02:37:36,600 --> 02:37:37,160
Speaker 5: Are you deaf?

2641
02:37:37,320 --> 02:37:40,760
Speaker 3: You can? This is great? This is great. Okay, So

2642
02:37:41,080 --> 02:37:45,360
Speaker 3: all right, what is the trade bazuka? We're just going

2643
02:37:45,440 --> 02:37:46,039
Speaker 3: to move past that.

2644
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:50,039
Speaker 2: So it's what a lot of Republicans were asking themselves

2645
02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:51,000
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

2646
02:37:51,760 --> 02:37:55,720
Speaker 8: Oh god, gogo trending term in Minneapolis, ORGA.

2647
02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:59,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So the trade Bazuka is an anti coercion instrument

2648
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:02,720
Speaker 3: that was originally designed by the EU in the early

2649
02:38:02,760 --> 02:38:06,440
Speaker 3: twenty twenties as a response to some bullshit that China

2650
02:38:06,520 --> 02:38:11,039
Speaker 3: pulled with Lithuania over embassy stuff in Taiwan. It's a

2651
02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:13,280
Speaker 3: whole thing. I'm not going to explain it here, but

2652
02:38:14,360 --> 02:38:20,240
Speaker 3: these measures are I think maybe the most extraordinary measures

2653
02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:23,920
Speaker 3: that I've seen. These measures, if they went into effect,

2654
02:38:23,959 --> 02:38:27,080
Speaker 3: would be more serious than the Liberation Day tariffs. They

2655
02:38:27,160 --> 02:38:30,840
Speaker 3: are very, very difficult to enact. They require fifteen of

2656
02:38:30,840 --> 02:38:32,800
Speaker 3: the twenty seven EU members, there has to be an

2657
02:38:32,840 --> 02:38:36,560
Speaker 3: investigation process, there's a whole thing, and the negotiations have

2658
02:38:36,600 --> 02:38:40,680
Speaker 3: to actually break down. And this is where it's really difficult,

2659
02:38:40,720 --> 02:38:43,760
Speaker 3: because Germany in particular does not really seem to want

2660
02:38:43,800 --> 02:38:47,400
Speaker 3: to do this. However, Trump has played this very badly

2661
02:38:47,440 --> 02:38:49,600
Speaker 3: in the sense that two of his natural allies in

2662
02:38:49,640 --> 02:38:51,920
Speaker 3: the EU are the UK and Norway, who he just

2663
02:38:52,080 --> 02:38:53,680
Speaker 3: was threatening to leverage tariffs on.

2664
02:38:54,320 --> 02:38:56,720
Speaker 2: So you can't part of the EU anymore.

2665
02:38:56,720 --> 02:39:00,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, well for yeah, but those are those are

2666
02:39:00,440 --> 02:39:03,720
Speaker 3: his two European allies, and the UK still has significant

2667
02:39:04,040 --> 02:39:08,440
Speaker 3: leverage inside of their Now what is interesting is that

2668
02:39:08,520 --> 02:39:14,240
Speaker 3: Macron has called first deployment if Trump presses to move

2669
02:39:14,280 --> 02:39:16,560
Speaker 3: on Greenland. So the question sort of is what does

2670
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:20,120
Speaker 3: this thing do? And the short answer is everything. The

2671
02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:24,080
Speaker 3: long answer is incredibly long, and the medium answer is

2672
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:27,440
Speaker 3: if you go read the document. I read it, I'm

2673
02:39:27,440 --> 02:39:29,160
Speaker 3: going to roughly based by description of what it can

2674
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:32,959
Speaker 3: do on Willer Hail, which is a law firms version

2675
02:39:32,959 --> 02:39:35,720
Speaker 3: of it. So there's ten things they can do. They

2676
02:39:35,720 --> 02:39:38,640
Speaker 3: can put on tariffs. They can do important export restrictions

2677
02:39:38,640 --> 02:39:41,200
Speaker 3: on goods. They can impose trade restrictions in general. They

2678
02:39:41,200 --> 02:39:44,680
Speaker 3: can impose restrictions on government procurement and contracts and what

2679
02:39:44,720 --> 02:39:47,880
Speaker 3: goods are bought by governments. They can do services restrictions.

2680
02:39:48,400 --> 02:39:51,920
Speaker 3: They can do foreign direct investment restrictions. They can do

2681
02:39:52,040 --> 02:39:56,520
Speaker 3: restrictions on intellectual property. Right protections. They can do capital

2682
02:39:56,520 --> 02:40:00,440
Speaker 3: controls of financial services restrictions. They can do chemicals and

2683
02:40:00,480 --> 02:40:04,640
Speaker 3: like sanitary goods restrictions, so they can stop the US

2684
02:40:05,320 --> 02:40:08,360
Speaker 3: from importing goods to the EU. They can prevent EU

2685
02:40:08,400 --> 02:40:10,960
Speaker 3: governments from giving contracts to the US companies or buying

2686
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:14,280
Speaker 3: anything from the US. They can restrict American intellectual property rights,

2687
02:40:14,280 --> 02:40:15,680
Speaker 3: which I don't even know what that would do.

2688
02:40:15,800 --> 02:40:17,800
Speaker 5: I think that means that they can all pirate whatever

2689
02:40:17,840 --> 02:40:18,400
Speaker 5: they want.

2690
02:40:18,320 --> 02:40:20,760
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, that rules.

2691
02:40:20,840 --> 02:40:22,440
Speaker 2: Spain did this for a long time.

2692
02:40:22,840 --> 02:40:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like we're firing the trade Bizuka and now

2693
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:28,039
Speaker 3: you can use every Disney character like Disney would rise up.

2694
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, just flood the market with with Mickey Mouse pornography.

2695
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:34,800
Speaker 2: That that is that is part of the EU's response package.

2696
02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:37,400
Speaker 4: I mean that, No, that that already falls under fair

2697
02:40:37,480 --> 02:40:38,560
Speaker 4: you Strabert.

2698
02:40:39,160 --> 02:40:41,440
Speaker 2: Not the way I do it, Garrison, not the way

2699
02:40:41,480 --> 02:40:42,119
Speaker 2: I do it.

2700
02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:45,240
Speaker 3: These are technically two different Mickey Mouses.

2701
02:40:45,320 --> 02:40:48,560
Speaker 2: Technically, no, no, no, I've been very clear about which

2702
02:40:48,560 --> 02:40:51,880
Speaker 2: Mickey Mouse is in my pornography.

2703
02:40:52,120 --> 02:40:55,680
Speaker 3: So so the reason this is being called like the

2704
02:40:55,680 --> 02:40:59,200
Speaker 3: trade bizuk or the nuclear option is that the actual

2705
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:02,520
Speaker 3: once this is enacted, which is very difficult. The actual

2706
02:41:02,520 --> 02:41:04,560
Speaker 3: limits and what they can do are almost on existence.

2707
02:41:04,600 --> 02:41:07,480
Speaker 3: They can once they've targeted it, it can kind of

2708
02:41:07,560 --> 02:41:10,520
Speaker 3: do whatever you wanted to do to the extent that

2709
02:41:10,560 --> 02:41:12,720
Speaker 3: they could in theory basically shut down all trade with

2710
02:41:12,760 --> 02:41:13,840
Speaker 3: the US.

2711
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:16,480
Speaker 5: Why didn't they call it the trade death Star? I honest,

2712
02:41:16,520 --> 02:41:19,000
Speaker 5: Zook is not thinking big enough, like that takes out

2713
02:41:19,000 --> 02:41:21,240
Speaker 5: a tank, Jenny Widely.

2714
02:41:21,320 --> 02:41:23,400
Speaker 3: I think it's being called the Bazuko because the people

2715
02:41:23,440 --> 02:41:25,800
Speaker 3: reporting on this haven't actually read it and have not

2716
02:41:25,879 --> 02:41:28,320
Speaker 3: thought through the implications of what this thing does, which

2717
02:41:28,360 --> 02:41:31,240
Speaker 3: is that, like Jesus Christ.

2718
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:33,000
Speaker 5: The trade mutually assured destruction device.

2719
02:41:33,360 --> 02:41:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's isn't.

2720
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:38,480
Speaker 5: Mutually assured destruction? Is that what this whole thing is

2721
02:41:38,520 --> 02:41:39,080
Speaker 5: built around.

2722
02:41:40,120 --> 02:41:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the EU's economy will also plunge.

2723
02:41:44,360 --> 02:41:49,199
Speaker 3: But yeah, so this was originally designed around China specifically,

2724
02:41:49,959 --> 02:41:53,280
Speaker 3: but it's designed effectively as a nuke. Right, You're not

2725
02:41:53,480 --> 02:41:56,119
Speaker 3: supposed to have to ever get to the point where

2726
02:41:56,160 --> 02:41:58,360
Speaker 3: you're invoking it. It's designed to be a set of

2727
02:41:58,360 --> 02:42:00,160
Speaker 3: trade things that is so damaging that no one in

2728
02:42:00,200 --> 02:42:04,840
Speaker 3: their right mind would possibly risk it happening. Unfortunately, our

2729
02:42:04,920 --> 02:42:07,680
Speaker 3: president is Donald Trump. Heah, we are Yeah, yeah, so

2730
02:42:07,720 --> 02:42:11,039
Speaker 3: that's the sort of nuclear option here. I want to

2731
02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:14,520
Speaker 3: mention one other thing which Robert Bluefly touched on earlier,

2732
02:42:15,520 --> 02:42:19,320
Speaker 3: which is there's been a lot of discussion of a

2733
02:42:19,720 --> 02:42:23,440
Speaker 3: quote from a report by the guy who is Deutsche

2734
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:27,640
Speaker 3: Banks head of Foreign Exchange Research, and he's talking about

2735
02:42:27,640 --> 02:42:28,920
Speaker 3: how much treasury bond is owned.

2736
02:42:28,959 --> 02:42:31,800
Speaker 2: But you, I mean a lot. There are primary treasury

2737
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:34,199
Speaker 2: bond holders, right, like the four In terms of foreign

2738
02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:35,280
Speaker 2: treasury bond holders.

2739
02:42:35,360 --> 02:42:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, between that and stocks, it's like eight trillion dollars.

2740
02:42:38,640 --> 02:42:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and treasury bonds. By the way, the fact that

2741
02:42:41,360 --> 02:42:44,279
Speaker 2: the EU is like our primary foreign treasury bond holder,

2742
02:42:44,400 --> 02:42:47,720
Speaker 2: like treasury bonds and foreign countries holding them is why

2743
02:42:47,800 --> 02:42:51,560
Speaker 2: the dollar is the reserve currency. It's why if you

2744
02:42:51,640 --> 02:42:55,959
Speaker 2: are wanting to like ransom someone or buy illegal guns

2745
02:42:55,959 --> 02:42:58,600
Speaker 2: and drugs anywhere in the world, they're more likely to

2746
02:42:58,680 --> 02:43:02,040
Speaker 2: use dollars than euro. That is changing, you know, in

2747
02:43:02,120 --> 02:43:06,000
Speaker 2: the in the international crime game, but the dollar is

2748
02:43:06,040 --> 02:43:09,920
Speaker 2: still the default foreign currency. People around the world needed

2749
02:43:09,920 --> 02:43:13,160
Speaker 2: a currency that's universally valued, the dollar is is the

2750
02:43:13,160 --> 02:43:17,880
Speaker 2: best bet, and it's because of how treasury bonds work, right,

2751
02:43:17,959 --> 02:43:20,560
Speaker 2: Like that's I'm oversimplifying but that's.

2752
02:43:20,360 --> 02:43:23,240
Speaker 3: A big part of it. Yeah, so okay, I'm going

2753
02:43:23,320 --> 02:43:27,160
Speaker 3: to read the actual quote here. In an environment where

2754
02:43:27,200 --> 02:43:31,480
Speaker 3: the geoeconomic stability of the Western Alliance is being disrupted existentially,

2755
02:43:31,560 --> 02:43:34,000
Speaker 3: it is not clear why Europeans would be willing to

2756
02:43:34,080 --> 02:43:39,440
Speaker 3: play this part. To translate this from like banking into

2757
02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:42,720
Speaker 3: what is he actually saying. What he is arguing here

2758
02:43:42,840 --> 02:43:44,840
Speaker 3: is that there is the potential for these countries to

2759
02:43:44,840 --> 02:43:48,880
Speaker 3: stop buying US treasury bonds and effectively pull out of

2760
02:43:48,879 --> 02:43:53,640
Speaker 3: American assets. It's not quite that easy, but this, this

2761
02:43:53,760 --> 02:43:55,880
Speaker 3: would be the what we're talking about is like, is

2762
02:43:55,920 --> 02:43:58,160
Speaker 3: the is the end of the US al res reserve currency.

2763
02:43:58,200 --> 02:44:02,000
Speaker 3: And he's also very specific. This is about the fact

2764
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:05,119
Speaker 3: that the dollar status is reserve currency is a thing

2765
02:44:05,160 --> 02:44:07,400
Speaker 3: that is allowing the US military to carry out these

2766
02:44:07,480 --> 02:44:12,600
Speaker 3: kind of operations. Up until yesterday when he said this,

2767
02:44:12,760 --> 02:44:15,480
Speaker 3: the only people I have ever seen actually say this

2768
02:44:16,080 --> 02:44:18,440
Speaker 3: are you know, I mean economist who I like as

2769
02:44:18,440 --> 02:44:22,520
Speaker 3: people like David Hudson, David Graber talks about this, but like,

2770
02:44:22,840 --> 02:44:24,560
Speaker 3: this is a thing that you could only say if

2771
02:44:24,560 --> 02:44:27,360
Speaker 3: you were like a Marxist or an anarchist. And now

2772
02:44:27,400 --> 02:44:30,240
Speaker 3: you have Deutsche Bank analysts saying it. And this is

2773
02:44:30,280 --> 02:44:34,440
Speaker 3: something that was impossible like two days ago, that there

2774
02:44:34,440 --> 02:44:38,039
Speaker 3: would actually be serious discussion of, you know, using as

2775
02:44:38,040 --> 02:44:41,680
Speaker 3: a geopolitical tool like getting out of US Treasury bonds,

2776
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:43,920
Speaker 3: which means ending the US dollar as a reserve currency.

2777
02:44:44,760 --> 02:44:47,120
Speaker 3: And this was a big enough deal that the U

2778
02:44:47,120 --> 02:44:49,800
Speaker 3: s Secretary of the Treasury is claiming that Deutsche Bank

2779
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:53,320
Speaker 3: called him to disavow the analysis. Wow, it's unclear if

2780
02:44:53,320 --> 02:44:57,800
Speaker 3: that's true or not. But this, I think is one

2781
02:44:57,840 --> 02:45:00,440
Speaker 3: of the things that really panicked them in terms of

2782
02:45:00,480 --> 02:45:04,960
Speaker 3: why Trump backed off. Was there are multiple nuclear options

2783
02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:06,440
Speaker 3: that are being put on the table for the first

2784
02:45:06,480 --> 02:45:10,600
Speaker 3: time ever. And I think that that and the down

2785
02:45:10,640 --> 02:45:13,199
Speaker 3: route was enough to just panic them for at least

2786
02:45:13,240 --> 02:45:17,039
Speaker 3: one day. And we'll see what tomorrow holds. But yeah,

2787
02:45:17,080 --> 02:45:20,480
Speaker 3: this is a really significant shift in what is able

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Speaker 3: to be discussed in terms of reactions to what the

2789
02:45:24,280 --> 02:45:25,080
Speaker 3: US is doing.

2790
02:45:25,640 --> 02:45:29,040
Speaker 2: Well, you know what else is the United States?

2791
02:45:29,520 --> 02:45:41,360
Speaker 4: These ads another flawless Robert Evans molment everybody.

2792
02:45:44,720 --> 02:45:48,320
Speaker 2: And we're back, all right? What else we got to

2793
02:45:48,320 --> 02:45:50,520
Speaker 2: talk to? Anything else happened in the entire world?

2794
02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:51,440
Speaker 5: I don't think so.

2795
02:45:52,160 --> 02:45:55,560
Speaker 4: Yes, there actually there is two more Davos thinks very

2796
02:45:55,560 --> 02:45:58,200
Speaker 4: briefly that I think we should get to before we

2797
02:45:58,320 --> 02:46:01,400
Speaker 4: kind of end with some other updates on ongoing stories

2798
02:46:01,400 --> 02:46:03,600
Speaker 4: and situations that we've been covering on the pod for

2799
02:46:03,640 --> 02:46:08,520
Speaker 4: a while. But when Mia was talking about how this

2800
02:46:08,520 --> 02:46:10,720
Speaker 4: this sort of analysis was only used by you know,

2801
02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:13,440
Speaker 4: like Marxists or certain tymes of anarchists before that is

2802
02:46:13,480 --> 02:46:17,200
Speaker 4: now getting kind of paid lip service on the national stage,

2803
02:46:17,440 --> 02:46:21,199
Speaker 4: that reminded me a little bit of Canadian Prime Minister

2804
02:46:21,280 --> 02:46:27,160
Speaker 4: Mark Carney's Davos speech yesterday who which addressed some similar

2805
02:46:27,200 --> 02:46:32,440
Speaker 4: things on the fiction of the quote rules based international order.

2806
02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:37,240
Speaker 2: Christ, holy shit, I mean I agree with that description

2807
02:46:37,280 --> 02:46:39,800
Speaker 2: of the rules based international order. Mark conn has been

2808
02:46:39,800 --> 02:46:40,480
Speaker 2: reading my book.

2809
02:46:40,840 --> 02:46:43,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's take a lesson.

2810
02:46:43,840 --> 02:46:47,080
Speaker 12: We knew the story of the international rules based order

2811
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:52,040
Speaker 12: was partially false, that the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient,

2812
02:46:52,480 --> 02:46:58,520
Speaker 12: that trade rules were enforced asymmetrically, and we knew that

2813
02:46:58,600 --> 02:47:01,959
Speaker 12: international law applied with varying rigor depending on the identity

2814
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:05,480
Speaker 12: of the accused or the victim.

2815
02:47:05,800 --> 02:47:06,920
Speaker 2: This fiction was useful.

2816
02:47:07,640 --> 02:47:12,840
Speaker 12: An American hegemony, in particular, helped provide public goods, open

2817
02:47:12,879 --> 02:47:17,320
Speaker 12: sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and support

2818
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:22,160
Speaker 12: for frameworks for resolving disputes. So we placed the sign

2819
02:47:22,280 --> 02:47:27,160
Speaker 12: in the window, We participated in the rituals, and we

2820
02:47:27,280 --> 02:47:31,800
Speaker 12: largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality.

2821
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:34,760
Speaker 6: This bargain no longer works.

2822
02:47:35,879 --> 02:47:36,760
Speaker 2: Let me be direct.

2823
02:47:37,480 --> 02:47:40,440
Speaker 12: We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.

2824
02:47:41,640 --> 02:47:45,879
Speaker 12: Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy,

2825
02:47:45,879 --> 02:47:49,760
Speaker 12: and geopolitics have laid bare the risks of extreme global integration.

2826
02:47:50,520 --> 02:47:54,920
Speaker 12: But more recently, great powers have begun using economic integration

2827
02:47:55,160 --> 02:48:02,640
Speaker 12: as weapons. Tariffs's leverage, financial infrastructures, coercions, apply chains as vulnerabilities.

2828
02:48:01,879 --> 02:48:02,879
Speaker 2: To be exploited.

2829
02:48:04,560 --> 02:48:07,960
Speaker 12: You cannot live within the lie of mutual benefit through

2830
02:48:07,959 --> 02:48:13,400
Speaker 12: integration when integration becomes the source of your subordination.

2831
02:48:15,280 --> 02:48:16,160
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

2832
02:48:16,600 --> 02:48:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really remarkable to hear the political leader of

2833
02:48:20,440 --> 02:48:24,240
Speaker 2: Canada being like it was always very clearly a lie,

2834
02:48:24,400 --> 02:48:28,240
Speaker 2: the rules based international order where the United States exempted

2835
02:48:28,280 --> 02:48:32,200
Speaker 2: itself because it had power, but we pretended that this

2836
02:48:32,360 --> 02:48:35,760
Speaker 2: wasn't happening. We like acknowledging that, Like, we ignored them

2837
02:48:35,800 --> 02:48:39,039
Speaker 2: breaking the rules because it was convenient for Canada.

2838
02:48:39,120 --> 02:48:41,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it totally worked out well for us, until now

2839
02:48:41,000 --> 02:48:43,119
Speaker 5: it doesn't work out well for us anymore.

2840
02:48:42,959 --> 02:48:45,760
Speaker 3: Like I should invading a rock. It was fine, but

2841
02:48:45,879 --> 02:48:49,840
Speaker 3: now like that fucking it might invade us one day.

2842
02:48:49,920 --> 02:48:53,160
Speaker 4: So oh yeah, it's really interesting, just totally pulling back

2843
02:48:53,200 --> 02:48:55,680
Speaker 4: the curtain on this type of neoliberalism here.

2844
02:48:55,800 --> 02:48:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love too.

2845
02:48:57,040 --> 02:49:00,560
Speaker 2: Every time you get someone who would never ever give,

2846
02:49:00,840 --> 02:49:03,520
Speaker 2: like anarchists or anarchist political theory the light of day,

2847
02:49:03,920 --> 02:49:07,440
Speaker 2: like independently come to a conclusion very late. That is

2848
02:49:08,000 --> 02:49:10,360
Speaker 2: like that anarchists has been yelling after you, like, yes,

2849
02:49:10,440 --> 02:49:12,680
Speaker 2: it's a fiction. The rules based international order is a

2850
02:49:12,720 --> 02:49:16,279
Speaker 2: fiction all the like. Everyone's playing lip service to these ideas,

2851
02:49:16,280 --> 02:49:19,200
Speaker 2: knowing the US has exempted itself because hiding behind the

2852
02:49:19,240 --> 02:49:22,520
Speaker 2: big guy is convenient. But that's a bad idea. The

2853
02:49:22,560 --> 02:49:25,039
Speaker 2: thing that people who knew anything were saying when we

2854
02:49:25,080 --> 02:49:27,800
Speaker 2: invaded Iraq, which was if you let them get away

2855
02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:30,760
Speaker 2: with this, no one will ever be safe, that's the way.

2856
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:33,119
Speaker 2: And all those people got pushed aside is like, no,

2857
02:49:33,200 --> 02:49:36,039
Speaker 2: you're just being hysteric, Like you're just being like that

2858
02:49:36,360 --> 02:49:39,600
Speaker 2: you don't have like a real understanding of politics and

2859
02:49:39,640 --> 02:49:43,080
Speaker 2: how it works, and there will never be any kind

2860
02:49:43,120 --> 02:49:45,080
Speaker 2: of reckoning of people being like, oh yeah, all of

2861
02:49:45,200 --> 02:49:48,560
Speaker 2: like the all of the people who were like inconveniently

2862
02:49:49,560 --> 02:49:53,600
Speaker 2: critical were right twenty something years ago. They'll never say that,

2863
02:49:54,000 --> 02:49:56,480
Speaker 2: but it's fun to see them admit it, like, you know,

2864
02:49:56,640 --> 02:49:57,800
Speaker 2: kind of obliquely.

2865
02:49:58,080 --> 02:50:00,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, it sounds like he's been reading Charles Tilly. It's

2866
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:02,039
Speaker 8: kind of kind of remarkable.

2867
02:50:02,879 --> 02:50:05,560
Speaker 4: Carney did write this speech himself. That's something that he

2868
02:50:05,560 --> 02:50:07,080
Speaker 4: has come out and said that this was not like

2869
02:50:07,160 --> 02:50:10,160
Speaker 4: some speech writer who's pulling from like whatever, like you know,

2870
02:50:10,280 --> 02:50:12,920
Speaker 4: Neil Liberal bookshelf is popular right now, Like he specifically

2871
02:50:12,959 --> 02:50:13,760
Speaker 4: wrote this himself.

2872
02:50:13,879 --> 02:50:15,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he just crimmed from that book I

2873
02:50:15,720 --> 02:50:18,119
Speaker 5: read as a kid. The Emperor has no clothes.

2874
02:50:17,800 --> 02:50:19,199
Speaker 3: Like clothes.

2875
02:50:22,560 --> 02:50:27,400
Speaker 4: So before the announcement of this ambiguous Greenland deal, which

2876
02:50:27,720 --> 02:50:32,600
Speaker 4: neither the European authorities nor Trump has really given any

2877
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:35,600
Speaker 4: details of yet. But but before this, Trump did speak

2878
02:50:35,600 --> 02:50:40,039
Speaker 4: Outdavos on Wednesday, where he confused to Greenland for Iceland

2879
02:50:40,520 --> 02:50:45,080
Speaker 4: and said that they called him quote unquote, daddy, God

2880
02:50:45,200 --> 02:50:46,320
Speaker 4: damn it. Play the clip.

2881
02:50:46,520 --> 02:50:50,760
Speaker 13: I'm helping Europe, I'm helping NATO, and I've until the

2882
02:50:50,879 --> 02:50:53,720
Speaker 13: last few days when I told him about Iceland they

2883
02:50:53,800 --> 02:50:59,080
Speaker 13: loved me. They called me daddy right last time. Oh god,

2884
02:50:59,480 --> 02:51:02,840
Speaker 13: very smart man said he's our daddy. He's running it.

2885
02:51:02,959 --> 02:51:03,879
Speaker 13: I was like running it.

2886
02:51:03,920 --> 02:51:06,040
Speaker 10: I went from running it to being a terrible human

2887
02:51:06,080 --> 02:51:07,760
Speaker 10: being very cool.

2888
02:51:07,840 --> 02:51:12,240
Speaker 4: Mister President, based on the reporting, acknowledging that he multiple times,

2889
02:51:12,280 --> 02:51:15,280
Speaker 4: not just in this clip, said Iceland when he meant Greenland.

2890
02:51:15,840 --> 02:51:19,600
Speaker 4: Carolyn Levitt, pres Secretary, responded by saying no, his written

2891
02:51:19,680 --> 02:51:23,879
Speaker 4: remarks referred to Greenland as a quote unquote piece of ice,

2892
02:51:24,520 --> 02:51:27,680
Speaker 4: because that's what it is unquote, so saying that he

2893
02:51:27,800 --> 02:51:33,160
Speaker 4: was literally calling Greenland like an ice land. Anyway, the

2894
02:51:33,200 --> 02:51:35,800
Speaker 4: emperor is totally wearing clothes. I don't know what you're

2895
02:51:35,840 --> 02:51:36,520
Speaker 4: talking about.

2896
02:51:36,800 --> 02:51:39,040
Speaker 3: What's that mon moth? But quote about they don't even

2897
02:51:39,040 --> 02:51:40,600
Speaker 3: bother to lie badly anymore.

2898
02:51:40,879 --> 02:51:41,119
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2899
02:51:42,840 --> 02:51:45,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

2900
02:51:45,600 --> 02:51:47,840
Speaker 4: It's incredible ice Land.

2901
02:51:48,080 --> 02:51:51,240
Speaker 8: I mean, it's going to be a remarkable thing to

2902
02:51:51,320 --> 02:51:53,160
Speaker 8: be in her position right and just be like, what

2903
02:51:53,200 --> 02:51:54,600
Speaker 8: the fuck am I going to come up with?

2904
02:51:54,760 --> 02:51:54,880
Speaker 5: Like?

2905
02:51:54,920 --> 02:51:58,000
Speaker 2: How do I what? What are we going to spin here?

2906
02:51:58,520 --> 02:51:59,720
Speaker 3: Ice? Pause?

2907
02:52:00,600 --> 02:52:06,080
Speaker 4: Spacelaneah Land one word? It's incredible? Wait what you go?

2908
02:52:06,240 --> 02:52:06,520
Speaker 3: Girl?

2909
02:52:07,240 --> 02:52:07,720
Speaker 2: Go off?

2910
02:52:07,920 --> 02:52:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2911
02:52:08,800 --> 02:52:09,240
Speaker 1: Wow.

2912
02:52:11,600 --> 02:52:17,920
Speaker 4: Later at the CEO reception dinner, Trump said this, Oh god, we.

2913
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:19,360
Speaker 6: Had good reviews in that speech.

2914
02:52:19,440 --> 02:52:22,520
Speaker 10: Usually they say he's a horrible dictator type person.

2915
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:27,080
Speaker 6: I'm anna dictator, but sometimes you need a dictator. But

2916
02:52:27,160 --> 02:52:28,680
Speaker 6: they didn't say that in this case.

2917
02:52:29,640 --> 02:52:30,840
Speaker 3: Sure, my guy.

2918
02:52:32,200 --> 02:52:34,080
Speaker 4: Share oh man, of.

2919
02:52:34,040 --> 02:52:37,280
Speaker 2: Course they didn't. I wonder why. Yeah.

2920
02:52:37,440 --> 02:52:39,680
Speaker 4: Multiple times during this speech he was like, if it

2921
02:52:39,680 --> 02:52:41,480
Speaker 4: weren't for the United States and you'd all be speaking

2922
02:52:41,480 --> 02:52:44,920
Speaker 4: German and maybe a little Japanese, it's like incredible.

2923
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:48,480
Speaker 2: How did he think? Like, yeah, how did he think that,

2924
02:52:48,600 --> 02:52:52,160
Speaker 2: like control was going to break down between those two countries.

2925
02:52:52,320 --> 02:52:57,000
Speaker 8: Slowly giving Japan right on Sundays it's Japan and the

2926
02:52:57,040 --> 02:52:58,520
Speaker 8: rest of the time it's German.

2927
02:52:58,879 --> 02:53:02,360
Speaker 2: Incredible, Yeah, pan pulling up like your deadbeat dad to

2928
02:53:02,440 --> 02:53:04,720
Speaker 2: be like, look this weekend your mind.

2929
02:53:05,120 --> 02:53:08,520
Speaker 1: If it wasn't a horrific monster, be really funny.

2930
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:09,560
Speaker 2: We're eating sushi.

2931
02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:11,440
Speaker 1: He's so funny.

2932
02:53:11,720 --> 02:53:14,520
Speaker 2: He is really he's our funniest president by a wide margin.

2933
02:53:15,000 --> 02:53:17,760
Speaker 3: Evil, but he's so funny. Yeah.

2934
02:53:17,800 --> 02:53:21,039
Speaker 9: The way he pronounced dictator where there was like a

2935
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:22,640
Speaker 9: slight pause, like.

2936
02:53:22,840 --> 02:53:26,320
Speaker 2: He legitimately has good timing as a presenter. It's actually

2937
02:53:26,320 --> 02:53:27,119
Speaker 2: two words Sophie.

2938
02:53:27,160 --> 02:53:29,520
Speaker 8: He was saying dick and then tata like the contraction

2939
02:53:29,560 --> 02:53:30,720
Speaker 8: of potato like.

2940
02:53:30,800 --> 02:53:33,120
Speaker 1: It sounded like he was giving a recipe.

2941
02:53:33,600 --> 02:53:35,760
Speaker 2: I was like, what are we doing here?

2942
02:53:35,959 --> 02:53:39,959
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, here, do we have anything else from Davos?

2943
02:53:40,720 --> 02:53:42,360
Speaker 4: No, I think that's all for DeVos. One of the

2944
02:53:42,440 --> 02:53:46,680
Speaker 4: funnier DeVos isn't in recent memory. I agree, Yeah, Now

2945
02:53:46,720 --> 02:53:49,080
Speaker 4: we just have some sad news that James is probably

2946
02:53:49,080 --> 02:53:49,600
Speaker 4: gonna say.

2947
02:53:50,360 --> 02:53:52,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, I guess if we start with a run

2948
02:53:52,920 --> 02:53:57,000
Speaker 8: right protesta continuing. The BBC had a piece today where

2949
02:53:57,000 --> 02:53:59,879
Speaker 8: they were leaked to photos of hundreds of the people

2950
02:54:00,600 --> 02:54:03,879
Speaker 8: who have been killed. Jesus, there's three hundred and twenty

2951
02:54:03,920 --> 02:54:08,480
Speaker 8: six items, including eighteen women. The reason that they were

2952
02:54:08,560 --> 02:54:12,760
Speaker 8: able to get these images is it seems that people

2953
02:54:13,520 --> 02:54:16,360
Speaker 8: went to the mortuary and had to look through a

2954
02:54:16,440 --> 02:54:20,320
Speaker 8: slide show of the faces of people who have been killed,

2955
02:54:20,560 --> 02:54:25,200
Speaker 8: many of whom are so disfigured that they're unrecognizable, and

2956
02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:28,800
Speaker 8: they have to flick through hundreds of images of these

2957
02:54:28,840 --> 02:54:33,480
Speaker 8: brutalized human remains in order to try and identify their

2958
02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:41,520
Speaker 8: loved ones. Right, it is unimaginable the scale of state violence.

2959
02:54:42,440 --> 02:54:47,600
Speaker 8: Godoyen had an interview on his Twitter or his ex

2960
02:54:47,680 --> 02:54:50,800
Speaker 8: dot com right that with people with someone inside Iran,

2961
02:54:50,840 --> 02:54:52,520
Speaker 8: which I'd encourage people to read and which we will

2962
02:54:52,560 --> 02:54:56,120
Speaker 8: link in the show notes. But like people continue to

2963
02:54:56,240 --> 02:54:58,480
Speaker 8: be in the streets there and the state continues to

2964
02:54:58,520 --> 02:55:04,600
Speaker 8: meet them with absolutely horrific violence. And talking of horrific violence,

2965
02:55:04,720 --> 02:55:08,360
Speaker 8: I want to move now to Syria, right, specifically to

2966
02:55:08,440 --> 02:55:13,039
Speaker 8: Syrian Kurdistan and the I guess majority Arab parts of

2967
02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:15,920
Speaker 8: Syria that had previously been part of the Autonomous Administration

2968
02:55:15,959 --> 02:55:16,959
Speaker 8: of North and East Syria.

2969
02:55:17,080 --> 02:55:17,240
Speaker 2: Right.

2970
02:55:18,040 --> 02:55:22,160
Speaker 8: Last week we talked about fighting in Aleppo and then

2971
02:55:22,160 --> 02:55:26,080
Speaker 8: we spoke about like fighting moving towards Euphrates. Right, fighting

2972
02:55:26,120 --> 02:55:29,640
Speaker 8: has now moved past where it was last week, and

2973
02:55:29,720 --> 02:55:33,560
Speaker 8: it's moving dangerously closed to Comeichlo and Hesseka, which are

2974
02:55:33,840 --> 02:55:38,240
Speaker 8: the two biggest Kurdish cities. Hesseica is not just a

2975
02:55:38,280 --> 02:55:39,480
Speaker 8: city where Curdish people live.

2976
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:39,760
Speaker 2: Right.

2977
02:55:39,840 --> 02:55:41,920
Speaker 8: Arab people, I mean not neither of these are right,

2978
02:55:41,959 --> 02:55:45,920
Speaker 8: Arab people, are Syrian people, are Meinian people, right yuzds.

2979
02:55:46,520 --> 02:55:51,160
Speaker 8: The ANES was a multi ethnic project like that. That's

2980
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:54,400
Speaker 8: what distinguished the SDF from the from the YPG and

2981
02:55:54,440 --> 02:55:56,800
Speaker 8: the YPG right that they were multi ethnic, they weren't

2982
02:55:56,840 --> 02:55:57,440
Speaker 8: just Kurdish.

2983
02:55:57,560 --> 02:55:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2984
02:55:59,120 --> 02:56:02,560
Speaker 8: The the way that this has occurred is that the

2985
02:56:02,600 --> 02:56:08,119
Speaker 8: Syrian Transitional Government has been able to flip multiple tribal

2986
02:56:08,240 --> 02:56:12,039
Speaker 8: groups who are mostly Arab who had previously fought alongside

2987
02:56:12,240 --> 02:56:15,440
Speaker 8: the SDF as part of the SDF right, but have

2988
02:56:15,600 --> 02:56:18,400
Speaker 8: now flipped to the side of the Syrian Transitional Government.

2989
02:56:18,440 --> 02:56:22,240
Speaker 8: So it's leaves the SDF with previously units that have

2990
02:56:22,240 --> 02:56:26,000
Speaker 8: been there suddenly flipping, and they have lost huge amounts

2991
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:29,759
Speaker 8: of territory to include Raka, famously.

2992
02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:31,080
Speaker 2: Formber capital of the Islamic State.

2993
02:56:31,560 --> 02:56:35,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, the former capital where thousands died both as a result

2994
02:56:35,920 --> 02:56:38,360
Speaker 8: of is violence and in the fighting for the city

2995
02:56:38,400 --> 02:56:41,000
Speaker 8: and a result as a result of civilians died as

2996
02:56:41,000 --> 02:56:43,320
Speaker 8: a result of coalition bombing during the fighting for the city.

2997
02:56:43,400 --> 02:56:43,600
Speaker 2: Right.

2998
02:56:44,480 --> 02:56:50,400
Speaker 8: There have been absolutely horrific images of the brutalization of

2999
02:56:50,440 --> 02:56:54,959
Speaker 8: the remains of captured YPG and YPGA fighters.

3000
02:56:55,040 --> 02:56:55,920
Speaker 2: Right, men and women.

3001
02:56:56,720 --> 02:57:01,439
Speaker 8: We have seen executions. This is not just executions are happening.

3002
02:57:02,000 --> 02:57:06,000
Speaker 8: It is that people who are fighting not necessarily in

3003
02:57:06,040 --> 02:57:10,280
Speaker 8: the Syrian Arab Army, but in at least alliance with

3004
02:57:10,400 --> 02:57:14,720
Speaker 8: the Syrian Transitional Government, have been so comfortable carrying out

3005
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Speaker 8: summary executions that they have decided to film and share them.

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Speaker 8: So on Monday, muslium Abdi, right, the general of the

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Speaker 8: Syrian Democratic Forces, traveled to Damascus to attempt to negotiate

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Speaker 8: a peace and was not able to do that. It

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Speaker 8: seems that he was offered some kind of position, but

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Speaker 8: he didn't want the position. There was not also some

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Speaker 8: kind of autonomy backstops for the remaining areas of the

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Speaker 8: AA and E S right, and so as a result,

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Speaker 8: there was a general mobilization in the AAN E S.

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Speaker 8: People from Bakur so, people from northern Kurdistan have crossed

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Speaker 8: the border. There's a border wall, fence wall, depending on

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Speaker 8: where you're at, in between Turkish Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan, right,

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Speaker 8: And at one point people have broken that down and

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Speaker 8: young people have entered into Syrin Kurdistan to fight to

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Speaker 8: defend the cities that are still part of the A

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Speaker 8: and E S. The counter terrorism group of the p

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Speaker 8: UK has entered Syrien Kurdistan. That's quite surprising, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Which is the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, Yeah, which is

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Speaker 2: an Iraqi Kurdish political party effectively, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It is not aligned.

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Speaker 5: Oh, Yeah, they're not lefty, right, or they're not democratic

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Speaker 5: and federalist.

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Speaker 8: No, they I mean were at some point like.

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Speaker 2: They are now today basically like an arm of the

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Speaker 2: Kurdish quote unquote state in northern Iraq. Right, they were

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Speaker 2: originally more of an actual political party and did have

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Speaker 2: some socialist elements. That's not really super relevant to what's

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the ideology is not the same as the ideology

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Speaker 8: that you have seen in Imbrishava, right. Yeah, but like

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Speaker 8: I have not since Kabani have you seen more unity

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Speaker 8: of Kurdish people, regardless politics, right, Like a sort of

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02:59:02,040 --> 02:59:05,440
Speaker 8: statement from the gacy stuff from Bazani, from Talibani. So

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Speaker 8: these are the two major political figures in Iraqi Kurdistan.

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Speaker 8: I've seen Kurdish religious leaders making statements right because people

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Speaker 8: are afraid of an ethnic cleansing, because they have seen

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Speaker 8: the ethnic cleansings of the Drus and the Ala Whites

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Speaker 8: that have already happened under the STG. Right, it's worth noting.

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Speaker 8: I guess at this point, like for whatever reason, they

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Speaker 8: have not chosen to remove the name Arab from the

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Speaker 8: country's name, like the Syrian Arab Republic, And I think

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Speaker 8: like that Syria is a multi ethnic and very diverse country,

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Speaker 8: and if it is to succeed under any form of administration,

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Speaker 8: it needs to acknowledge that, right. And it's it's really

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Speaker 8: worrying to see this horrific inter ethnic violence, and it

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Speaker 8: is being massively accelerated by people in the media right

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Speaker 8: to include a lot of like people who who might

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Speaker 8: be referred to as experts. I don't think that's a

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Speaker 8: reasonable appalach like they're their expertise. It was pretty limited,

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Speaker 8: but nonetheless, people who like to include journalists, telegram influencers

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Speaker 8: and then think tankers in the West. People are sharing

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Speaker 8: things that are either not true or that have not

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Speaker 8: happened in this time, like telegram videos are actually not

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Speaker 8: taken in Syria this week, right, that have taken different

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Speaker 8: places and times, And we are careening towards this not

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Speaker 8: becoming a fight between two different administrative projects, but becoming

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Speaker 8: an inter ethnic conflict, right, And I think we're pretty

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Speaker 8: much there at this point, and nobody seemed to be

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Speaker 8: looking for an off ramp, which is tragic. Like I

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Speaker 8: was in Hesseca two years ago and I was conducting

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Speaker 8: interviews there and a member of this little kid whose

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Speaker 8: father had died fighting Isis and like it was dark outside.

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Speaker 8: You know, this was during a time when when Turkey

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Speaker 8: was bombing the region quite heavily, and the little kid,

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Speaker 8: I think had been struggling to sleep because he's.

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Speaker 2: Sleeping in the middle of the day.

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Speaker 8: And then when he woke up, we were just hanging

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Speaker 8: out with his mother and I gave a little kids

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Speaker 8: some toys to play with that I brought with me,

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Speaker 8: and like, I can't help but thinking how scared that

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Speaker 8: poor little guy is now, you know, and his dad's

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Speaker 8: not there, right, yeah, because like twelve thousand members of

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Speaker 8: the SDF. He died fighting the Islamic state, right and

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Speaker 8: now another state is coming to put his family, his

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Speaker 8: kid in danger. Like that's horrific. What people have gone

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Speaker 8: through in Syria already is too much. And like to

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Speaker 8: see more killing and dying there is heartbreaking for me. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 8: it's very briefly. On the immigration update, it appears that

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Speaker 8: immigration and Customs enforcement are now under the impression or

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Speaker 8: there they believe that they can enter homes without the

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Speaker 8: consent of the homeowner, so they can use force to

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Speaker 8: enter in order to remove someone with a final removal order,

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Speaker 8: so long as they have an administrative warrant that is

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Speaker 8: a different thing from a judicial warrant.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 8: This is often what people talk about when they talk

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Speaker 8: about does ICE have a warrant? They're looking for a

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Speaker 8: judicial warrant as opposed to warrant that they have issued

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Speaker 8: themselves at administrative warrant, and so this will obviously broaden

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Speaker 8: the amount of places that they can enter and times

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Speaker 8: when they end up entering people's homes by force. Right,

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Speaker 8: So we will likely be seeing more violence here as well. Yay,

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Speaker 8: I'm going to put a link to a have ASAW

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Speaker 8: fundraiser at the bottom of this if you'd like to

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Speaker 8: help people in Kurdistan.

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Speaker 2: There are people who have been displaced.

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Speaker 8: Four times now in the last few years versince twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 8: so if you'd like to help, you can do that.

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Speaker 8: Will also include a fundraising link for Minneapolis if you'd

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Speaker 8: like to spend some money closer to home. If you'd

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Speaker 8: like to email us, you can do so by emailing

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Speaker 8: cool Zone Tips at proton dot me. If you want

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Speaker 8: the email to be encrypted, you should send it from

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Speaker 8: a proton address.

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Speaker 2: Well, we look forward to hearing more from Margaret and

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Speaker 2: James in Minneapolis, and I don't know. I guess that's it.

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Speaker 5: We reported the news, did we We reported the news, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: all of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of how it feel.

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Speaker 6: Awesome.

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Speaker 5: We reported the news.

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