Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another additional club. Sha I am your host,
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor the guy that's coming
Speaker 1: by for a drinking conversation today. Is a Super Bowl champ.
Speaker 1: He's a National champ. He was a unanimous All American.
Speaker 1: He's a Heisman Trophy finance in nineteen ninety four, a
Speaker 1: seven time pro bowler, four time first Team All Pro,
Speaker 1: NFL Defensive Player of the Year, an NFL All Decade Player,
Speaker 1: Teams of the nineties, and the two thousand Bucks Ring
Speaker 1: of Honor retired number ninety nine Hall of Famer first ballot.
Speaker 1: One of the few defensive tackles get I can say
Speaker 1: I went in on the first ballot. My dog ward
Speaker 1: South O Jesus did no. I'm just asking you. Got you?
Speaker 1: I like to win this South on the All Florida team.
Speaker 1: One of the top thirty three thousand. All my life,
Speaker 1: running all my life, second fights, cusack fights. One slice
Speaker 1: got the bron dice to swap all my life. I've
Speaker 1: been grinding all my life, rush all my life, grinding
Speaker 1: all my life. Sacond fice, tustle back to prices. One
Speaker 1: slice got the bron dice to swap all my life.
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life. How are you doing? Bro?
Speaker 1: I am excellent brother. Right now. This is the first
Speaker 1: March Madness that we didn't have. Or you have your
Speaker 1: own team. And it said vive in the dance, surviving
Speaker 1: the dance. So that's what I'm doing right now. So
Speaker 1: I know you're a big fisherman. Tail about the last
Speaker 1: time you've been fishing anything you called worth mentioning? Brother?
Speaker 1: I went on my birthday, which was December of the
Speaker 1: nineteen Okay, skate, I escaped down the coast of Ricord,
Speaker 1: which is flat calm. I can take you out there
Speaker 1: because your love if flat calm, if you want to
Speaker 1: go on the front, because I can't be doing all that,
Speaker 1: all that, all that rocket. No, no in the rocket,
Speaker 1: flat calm. I mean I take the old lady with me,
Speaker 1: flat calm. Okay, one hundred pound tuna fifty five inches dog? What? Yes?
Speaker 1: And we cut him up. We cut him up. You
Speaker 1: gotta eat it on the boat. Come on, you gotta
Speaker 1: freeze him up real good, about a good forty five
Speaker 1: hour and then buddy go slicing that thing. Put that
Speaker 1: with savvy and that so exhaustion now, oh, my god,
Speaker 1: don't get the fresher in that? When when the last
Speaker 1: time you called it a trophy fish? Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: know you're a big trophy fisherman. You know what. I
Speaker 1: got in the water with a nice hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: pounds sail and went swimming with him, and you know,
Speaker 1: and other than that, I don't. I don't take him
Speaker 1: out of the water, and I don't. I don't keep
Speaker 1: him unless I'm eating. If I ain't, If I ain't,
Speaker 1: if I look it, I'm cooking it. If I'm not,
Speaker 1: then I'm releasing him because it's for somebody else. Votes.
Speaker 1: So you hadn't had anything, You had to back the
Speaker 1: boat down to it a minute, nahn just sail, we
Speaker 1: back down because that's just how you do it. But
Speaker 1: I ain't. I ain't had no maling on the line
Speaker 1: in a minute. Boy, I want one too. Dog dog dog,
Speaker 1: You know idea that that dog that thing go to
Speaker 1: screaming and the cap look at you and they go
Speaker 1: to rail and everything down and you over the end
Speaker 1: of that thing and he says, get wet. It's nothing
Speaker 1: better than that water. I don't staff. I don't think
Speaker 1: people that's never been deep s it's deep sea fishing.
Speaker 1: I don't think they understand how tedious, how tired, because
Speaker 1: you have to understand that fish. No, something is trying
Speaker 1: to get him up out that water. So he's fighting
Speaker 1: for his life and he's like, okay, well I got him.
Speaker 1: Now he's tired. And then all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: hit it. Hey, that's that's when he breaks you. Right now,
Speaker 1: that's when I ask for the coolest life. And I
Speaker 1: tell him pull it right here, pull it right in
Speaker 1: my mouth, dog, because I'm gonna keep really, I'm not
Speaker 1: letting about this. Look, I'm gonna keep that line tight.
Speaker 1: And he don't. He gotta come to the We're gonna start.
Speaker 1: This is what we're gonna do. We're gonna start forward.
Speaker 1: It will work out. Believe back to the early years.
Speaker 1: Who is your twenty twenties, who you got going to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the NFC representative, AFC representative, and who
Speaker 1: wins when it's all setting done in your home talent,
Speaker 1: in your backyard of Tampa. The first time in NFL
Speaker 1: history a hundred and one years, we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: home team playing in their home stadium, and all my
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Bucaneers versus them is the City Chiefs. That's
Speaker 1: where I'm going. I'm not dog. We are in sync
Speaker 1: right now. Tom Brady can hit a B on that
Speaker 1: post route. Now it ain't off no more, and we are. Well,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need forty to beat us. You're gonna need forty.
Speaker 1: You like it, You like the win, your defense, player,
Speaker 1: because you ain't about my defense right now, the new
Speaker 1: NFL ain't buy no defense. Defense don't win no championships.
Speaker 1: Defense gives you a chance. No no listening to me. Now.
Speaker 1: Defense gives you a chance. In your offense, in your
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars, quarterback has to win it for you.
Speaker 1: That's that we keep track of fourth quarter comeback. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many fourth quarter games saving game in
Speaker 1: the second call from us I've got. I don't know
Speaker 1: nothing about that. They don't keep track of that, but
Speaker 1: they keep tracking Brady fourth quarters. All I want to know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how I get to a
Speaker 1: man that's a two time All Decade player, NFL Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, and this man go tell me
Speaker 1: he ain't talking about no defense, about offense. Offense. Dog,
Speaker 1: what game you've been watching for the last twelve years
Speaker 1: since we've been sitting around this thing. Dog they've built
Speaker 1: the out of bloods down the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: Ain't him up? John list hit him under the chair? Uh.
Speaker 1: They run across the middle of the field waving their
Speaker 1: hand dog. They don't know if it's man zone. They
Speaker 1: just know that they could catch it and they're not
Speaker 1: gonna get hit. And you can't punish the quarterback. That's
Speaker 1: that's why you see all these that's all you see
Speaker 1: all these video game numbers. The quarterback. No, I'm protected.
Speaker 1: I only I can only hit him right here, sap.
Speaker 1: I can only hit him in the lettering of the uniform,
Speaker 1: and you can't landing on him. That was the pillow. Dog.
Speaker 1: That was the reason why I brought you brought the
Speaker 1: quarterback cube. That was my pillow. You got the dogs
Speaker 1: wild right now? How much how much credit, how much
Speaker 1: influence of having Tom Brady in dot Tampa Bay locker
Speaker 1: room has been? You know, when you look at the
Speaker 1: success that they've had this year eleven and five, the
Speaker 1: first time in the playoffs and in almost two decades,
Speaker 1: how much credit does Tom Brady deserve? All of it?
Speaker 1: All of it? I mean, when Tom's not. When Tom
Speaker 1: throwed a couple of picks sixes early in the year,
Speaker 1: it looked like he had a little glimpses of Jamimes
Speaker 1: Winston and the forty three year old quarterback aren't gonna
Speaker 1: be able to do what he does. It was all
Speaker 1: over Tom. That defense hasn't changed. They were talking about
Speaker 1: how much stopping the run they do. I'm like, we
Speaker 1: don't run the ball in this league no more. This
Speaker 1: is a fifty pass league. And if you can't rush
Speaker 1: the passer or stop the quarterback, you're in trouble. And
Speaker 1: a lot of defenses are in trouble every week in
Speaker 1: this league. Jennet, when you when you look at the
Speaker 1: quarterback position, now are Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Josh Allen, what quarter what quarterback
Speaker 1: do you like? If you like? You know what, if
Speaker 1: I'm on the team, I won't help Patrick Mahomes for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love I love what Aaron Rodgers does,
Speaker 1: and we always talk about he liked that and all
Speaker 1: of this, but this boy is doing some stuff that
Speaker 1: we've never seen in this game. Dog, I was watching
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay because you know me, I like to
Speaker 1: get in the film and I like to look up
Speaker 1: big butts because that's that's the way we would talk
Speaker 1: to look at it, right, So that's seventy five yard passed.
Speaker 1: He threw the tarik. He was looking at Kelsey and
Speaker 1: the other boy and peaked over and saw it and
Speaker 1: just lust it. No, look, man, you don't do that
Speaker 1: seventy five yards like that. Help was sick with it.
Speaker 1: He's special with it. So let me ask your question.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't lose championships with Anon Rogers Livon though.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, right, all Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: who's doing a who guinea at in Houston with nobody
Speaker 1: around it? Right, do you believe the numbers that we're
Speaker 1: seeing and all I'm talking about for the quarterback position?
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a direct reflection of how they've
Speaker 1: handcuffed the defense and their inability to punish the receiver,
Speaker 1: the quarterback or anybody. You can't hear the soul. We
Speaker 1: are playing a wide open seven on seven game, and
Speaker 1: you know you wouldn't. We watched An Donald sought the
Speaker 1: quarterback and have four sacks and they still score fifty
Speaker 1: four points in that ball game. I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: there's no quarterback that would be alive after the third
Speaker 1: stay because if I if I sat there three times,
Speaker 1: that'd be I hit him six or seven times. He is, Oh,
Speaker 1: he is, he loves it right now. He's spinning room,
Speaker 1: spinning like he's dropped you. You grew up in a
Speaker 1: small town called Plymouth, Florida. Oh, tell me a little
Speaker 1: bit about your upbringing. You know when I was raised
Speaker 1: by five black women, my grandmom, my mom my, U,
Speaker 1: my two sisters. And you know what that was. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of hard, tough love. You you don't get
Speaker 1: no break like that around black women in the South,
Speaker 1: did you know that? Boy? And orders, duties and more
Speaker 1: more orders, more duties, more chores. And you know they
Speaker 1: kept me on the straight and narrow. And when I
Speaker 1: found football. I mean, my older brothers are twelve, nine,
Speaker 1: and seven years older than me. I'm the baby at six.
Speaker 1: So when I got to finally play with somebody my
Speaker 1: own eight, it was like taking candy from a baby.
Speaker 1: I was like that all you got. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the only movie you've got. I mean like like like
Speaker 1: like you and your brother. You know, dog, I never
Speaker 1: wanted my backyard dog. When I was watching your speech, Dog,
Speaker 1: I was crying with you, dog because I felt you.
Speaker 1: I never wanted my old backyard dog. My brother tortured me,
Speaker 1: all three of them. It wouldn't let you. Oh, we
Speaker 1: won't let him win. Let him win, and you better
Speaker 1: not cry. Though. They won't play with you for about
Speaker 1: a month. Dog, it's over. But it kept you coming
Speaker 1: back because you wanted to win so bad. You just
Speaker 1: want to have one. I just want to wear one game.
Speaker 1: Just no, no, I just want to be in the day.
Speaker 1: Why I got a shot them in this sucker, because
Speaker 1: then I'm going out to talk about all the good
Speaker 1: players I had and need to go hit me with
Speaker 1: did you win? And you know you gotta just going
Speaker 1: by this time, but I'm gonna come back tomorrow. So,
Speaker 1: growing up, what was your favorite sport to play of
Speaker 1: a kid? Football? Football was that? Man? Just come on, man,
Speaker 1: if you were anything like me growing up in the
Speaker 1: seventy you're a little older than me, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was the Cowboys stealers out west, it was the Raiders,
Speaker 1: and if you were in South Florida, you were mesmerized
Speaker 1: by this mythical team that nobody else saw play. I
Speaker 1: ain't never seen a Doffing player. I seen no seventy though,
Speaker 1: so I was a Cowboy fan, but I always thought
Speaker 1: I needed to stall my help man. And Tony said,
Speaker 1: Tony Hill, jis you know Robert new House the line
Speaker 1: that moved you know that that would it? Come on? Man?
Speaker 1: Thats I mean, that's why I look at kids nowadays
Speaker 1: and they don't know the history of the game, Like,
Speaker 1: how could you not This is the richest, deepest game
Speaker 1: that will last you two lifetimes. How could you not
Speaker 1: immerse yourself in it? But the thing is not set
Speaker 1: back then guys stayed basically until twelve years they retired
Speaker 1: and maybe they went one year somewhere else. Robert new House,
Speaker 1: those guys stayed different property, property of it wasn't no
Speaker 1: after three years, four guys moving on. So you you
Speaker 1: you got an opportunity, it was you got an opportunity
Speaker 1: to know the guys and to know the teams. It's
Speaker 1: not like that anymore. Yeah, But with the Internet, whynot?
Speaker 1: I mean, because I mean you can keep up with
Speaker 1: the NBA. They shuffle him and change them like underwear.
Speaker 1: But the NFL we hold him for at least four years,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna franchise. If you that kind of players,
Speaker 1: right the trust me, they don't, They'll just let him
Speaker 1: out to those now they hold on to their property
Speaker 1: every nine year. Here. So you played linebacker, tidy in
Speaker 1: place kicker pun in high school at two thirty? Uh,
Speaker 1: you got in high school record for science, tackle for
Speaker 1: losses and the longest field goal. Hello, how do you?
Speaker 1: How do you feel? How do you feel? Go kick
Speaker 1: it at your thirty? Stop? Stop? What? Okay? What what
Speaker 1: I mean? I was? I was the emergency kicker. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're emergency. I was the emergency kicker. My kids of
Speaker 1: Steve Barnhardt went to Michigan State on scholarship as a
Speaker 1: place as a field goal kicker. But this he couldn't
Speaker 1: punt to save his life. So I was the punner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was the punn of never left the field, never
Speaker 1: left the field. So I'm just trying to fake out
Speaker 1: at two or thirty? How how y'all got a two
Speaker 1: on the thirty pound? H you're supposed to play. You
Speaker 1: supposed play offensive line, defensive line? No hold on? How
Speaker 1: you the biggest dude on the line? Do you play
Speaker 1: a tight ends. Stop I'm not the biggest dude on
Speaker 1: the line. Lobama million all my boys, Richard close, you played.
Speaker 1: I had some big old monster dogs. I played six
Speaker 1: eight football. This ain't that eight man football. This ain't
Speaker 1: one you're talking too. Okay, no, no, no, no, we played.
Speaker 1: We played big boys football at the big boys football.
Speaker 1: We eight eight now were six five day when I
Speaker 1: was in high school. It's not going our way up
Speaker 1: to eight eight now. Dog, they're big boys football. Trust
Speaker 1: you played baseball? No, you've been on Wikipedia. Tell your
Speaker 1: producer stop that. Okay, no baseball. Play no baseball? Basketball
Speaker 1: thousand points thousand old World War War. Hold on? You
Speaker 1: played basketball? Yes, and you had a five points in
Speaker 1: your career thousand points thousand thouars. So okay, let me
Speaker 1: guess you a power forward in your game with like
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley. What else how I was supposed to be?
Speaker 1: I mean the round mouth to rebound, I mean, what
Speaker 1: else would you want to be? Baby with a nice
Speaker 1: smile and dump that thing? I mean, dog, you don't
Speaker 1: get back here? Why I'm gonna sing it? Te I
Speaker 1: got an old dunk my home, but dug up an
Speaker 1: old cape for me, baby, I want to dump contest
Speaker 1: my rookie year in college, so we win some money.
Speaker 1: You know you had to. You had to put a
Speaker 1: lot your skills. Baby, come on out to eighty doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the job. Let my mama house. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this now. It says that you played against
Speaker 1: former MLB star Johnny Damon and you tackled him and
Speaker 1: you knocked him out. Other way around, he was the shafety.
Speaker 1: I was a tight end. Oh you ran him over.
Speaker 1: Gun and Jason there Tech got both of on them,
Speaker 1: got a both of them, got both of the baby.
Speaker 1: You don't play. You don't bring no baseball player out
Speaker 1: here to this football field. We stomp on that baby.
Speaker 1: So you so another word. You weren't looking at it.
Speaker 1: Run past anybody. You look at it run over people
Speaker 1: you were trying to No, no, no, no, it was
Speaker 1: certain ones, you know, like you know, like the baseball
Speaker 1: all Americans, Jason very Tech, the oh twice I got
Speaker 1: him first time. I shook him. First time I shook
Speaker 1: him and then ran him over second time. I just
Speaker 1: I just said he he ain't got enough to stop it,
Speaker 1: so I just went ahead. Just black. Uh, your boy,
Speaker 1: your boy, Johnath Damon had the angle on me and
Speaker 1: I saw him late and I lifted up the thoph
Speaker 1: he was going. He said that every time I see
Speaker 1: him too. Dog, and man, you knocked me out in
Speaker 1: the hospitol. I stood, dog. I didn't leave it you, dog,
Speaker 1: I really did. I really did you chose the University
Speaker 1: of Miami. There were I want to know why did
Speaker 1: you choose Miami? And who were your top three teams
Speaker 1: that you were going to that you that you were
Speaker 1: thinking about going to before you chose Miami. I only
Speaker 1: took four business, You only took four. I went to
Speaker 1: Michigan State to go see snow and I wanted to
Speaker 1: see Steve Smith play basketball because I was real basketball.
Speaker 1: You know, the little freaking move he had. She didn't
Speaker 1: do that, bad boy. Steve Smith was my guy. And
Speaker 1: Bobby Williams, who's down in Alabama with Nick saying right now,
Speaker 1: was recruiting me. My mother loved this man. I mean
Speaker 1: this dude. He almost got me to go to Michigan State.
Speaker 1: And then it was the three Florida schools and I
Speaker 1: couldn't go to Florida because my mother backed me out
Speaker 1: of the football office. What happened I was feeling to
Speaker 1: commit because this was funny done and Kirkpatrick had just
Speaker 1: caught sixty six balls at tight End. I bury it
Speaker 1: took me back to his office. Shane Matthews walks in
Speaker 1: the meeting room and says, who you got in the room?
Speaker 1: And coach, he said, I got you guy from a
Speaker 1: poker Shane Matthew, you say, sapping here. I'm like, Shane Matthew,
Speaker 1: you know my name? What? So what do I sign
Speaker 1: a dog? I test this, I do that, I do
Speaker 1: that seventh right, baby? You know that, you know the
Speaker 1: little seventh round shouting up? Put that thing right now?
Speaker 1: Well that's that that that's the tightiest favorite around that seventh. Baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: push him in. Let me push him and go to
Speaker 1: the car to baby right. I was in the side
Speaker 1: and Spurry said, it's one more person I need for
Speaker 1: you to meet. He went down the hall and get
Speaker 1: to tight End coach. God bless her. So John Reeves
Speaker 1: the only time I met John Reeves, one of them.
Speaker 1: I saw him in Tampa one other time. He came
Speaker 1: out of this office. He looked down the hall and
Speaker 1: he said how And my mama said no and walked
Speaker 1: me backed me out of the football offices. My visit
Speaker 1: was over the right then Shannon we go home, got
Speaker 1: in the car. I tried to turn the music on,
Speaker 1: she slapped my hand. I had to look out the
Speaker 1: wonder for nineteen minutes until we got back to Okay.
Speaker 1: I've never asked her Florida State? Did you be to
Speaker 1: Florida State? Bobby Bounton wouldn't come to my house. Bobby
Speaker 1: Bounton told me he'd meet my mother at Phyllis Wheeler
Speaker 1: Elementary where she worked. I'm like, I live in the country,
Speaker 1: though I don't live in nowhere, you know, because ninety
Speaker 1: ninety one they were doing a lot of drive by
Speaker 1: shoes and Bobby. I guess Bobby didn't feel safe in
Speaker 1: the country. But you know, if your country going, you
Speaker 1: talk about Passacule of Mississippi and that boy Mama bother
Speaker 1: that even though the boy Bounce showed he doing on
Speaker 1: Sunday morning. You know, I be rather about little Roule dog. I.
Speaker 1: Sammy Smith had went down from my high school, so
Speaker 1: my girl was gonna go to FAMI you the next year.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Florida State, but then he
Speaker 1: badmouth is two tight ends. He told me warm heart
Speaker 1: was a fat f and Lennie Johnson couldn't catch a cold,
Speaker 1: but naked in the last day, he was soaking wet,
Speaker 1: So you said, I said to myself, I said, when
Speaker 1: I'm when I'm not the hot new freshman and I'm
Speaker 1: a junior, what is he gonna say about me to
Speaker 1: get the next guy to come to the school? I really,
Speaker 1: I really didn't like that at all. Okay, now you
Speaker 1: nives down to Nives, down to Miami and Michigan State. No, no,
Speaker 1: Michigan State. Fut it's true. Damn cold that snow. I
Speaker 1: checked in that snow. Brother. Oh my god, I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, I can't do this for four or five
Speaker 1: months on my car. I'm a Florida Boys by People
Speaker 1: self truck. So I go to Miami, grew to Miami.
Speaker 1: Then it's Eric and calls me and say he want
Speaker 1: to come visit me. I said, well, I lived twenty
Speaker 1: eight miles from Orlando International Airport, and thing you gotta
Speaker 1: do is get on one and just heading off and
Speaker 1: get it. Gonna get jetlack dark when you pass a
Speaker 1: popeer And then I was sudden, you gonna see some
Speaker 1: flashing like said girls girls. Girls. It's a little topless
Speaker 1: go go joint for the drive truck drivers if they
Speaker 1: get ready going on up the road. You live right
Speaker 1: up right behind that there, you know, about two hundred
Speaker 1: yards right coach. He said, I'm getting in the college
Speaker 1: with Craig Smith. I ain't believe I'm at the basketball
Speaker 1: I was at the high school basketball gym watching my
Speaker 1: girl Keisha Brown play the You know you could call
Speaker 1: a payphone back in the day, Yes, yeah, pay phoning
Speaker 1: the jam and the squeeze after yeah, Oh, hold on,
Speaker 1: it's my mama on the phone. He comes yelling, yeah shop.
Speaker 1: I'm like, your mama on the phone. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: run down to the phone. I picked up the phone.
Speaker 1: My mom said, this man sitting on my couch breaking
Speaker 1: my teeth. Where's you at. I'm like, oh shit, hang
Speaker 1: up the polle yo, my home boy. We lived like
Speaker 1: four miles from the high school. We raced to the house.
Speaker 1: Jump I man. I come in the living room. Coach.
Speaker 1: He's sitting in my chair with a big cup of teeth.
Speaker 1: Man talking to my mom. Him and Coach Smith, And
Speaker 1: now I go to university. Man and my mom fall
Speaker 1: in love with enterprise. It's oh, oh, you go to
Speaker 1: do you know you go to the to the U
Speaker 1: to play tight end? Yeah? What happened? And then why
Speaker 1: did they move you to? Hey? Me and my home boys,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, was the private stop
Speaker 1: to barbecue or what? But from June to tenth to
Speaker 1: August to six, I gained forty six pounds. What dog,
Speaker 1: I go from two twenty five to two seventies, let's
Speaker 1: just say two seventy. Let a manch wile number two seventy. Dog,
Speaker 1: I stand on this skate two sevenday, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: the hell of the fifth grader that I ATE's going on?
Speaker 1: So they put me out there and they told me
Speaker 1: go running forty, So I gotta run forty. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what this is, you know. I come down
Speaker 1: and line they I don't want to go back over there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what was that? It? Like you just ran
Speaker 1: for your scholarship. I'm like, oh my god, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? I know what hardest drop? The like, man,
Speaker 1: we didn't recruit No. Two hundred and seventy thousand guys
Speaker 1: recruited two U twenty five two thirty. At the moment,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, but you you lefty, you can still run.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I'm good there. Let's let'sten. Let's let's
Speaker 1: go on with this process. There. Okay, so you you
Speaker 1: gained seventy pounds and they moved. So how did how
Speaker 1: did they tell you, Warren, we want you to move
Speaker 1: to the other side of the football and not playing linebacker,
Speaker 1: play d line. Oh no, I was going with the
Speaker 1: intent purposes to go take Jessie Armstairs line back the
Speaker 1: position because okay you no, Miami really didn't throw to
Speaker 1: tight end, so I was just gonna go play the linebacker.
Speaker 1: So I didn't gain I sew up at two seventy.
Speaker 1: They put me on a three thousand calorie day diet.
Speaker 1: I gained thirty more pounds. I'm three hundred now. Just
Speaker 1: this we three in the stees you know, were known
Speaker 1: with bet Arkansas ninety nine yard pressed. I'll come back.
Speaker 1: So Bob cap millerways walks up to me, God bless
Speaker 1: her soul and says, young man, I've seen Cortez and
Speaker 1: Russell and another be capital, he said, and you're better
Speaker 1: than all three of them. I said what I said, Man,
Speaker 1: you lost your man. Man, I'm gonna go over here
Speaker 1: and play tight end. I'm gonna lose me some weight.
Speaker 1: I'm catch me a couple of ball and those your
Speaker 1: own comes in the national champion coach at LSU. Listen,
Speaker 1: big fella, I haven't seen Russell j Rown and all up.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I got to film in them in
Speaker 1: the cars. It over there. I'm telling you, country boy,
Speaker 1: to be better than all of 'em. So they truck.
Speaker 1: They convinced me to go run with them for you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Just run. They don't put me
Speaker 1: in no run drill, Shannon. They only allowed me to
Speaker 1: rush the past. They only got me in past rustrill.
Speaker 1: No first team or second team guy will go against me.
Speaker 1: They only give me the the the bottom of the
Speaker 1: baron right. So you know I'm whooping them right. I
Speaker 1: got I got sneaky long arms, and you know I'm
Speaker 1: pretty I'm pretty athletic. So man, I was I was thinking,
Speaker 1: this is like playing tight in. I just got the
Speaker 1: moving one way going up and then yeah, I just
Speaker 1: got a movie. You know, I moved them hips. I
Speaker 1: can get where I want to go. Man, All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I got a taste in my mouth, and
Speaker 1: off I went though, did you know the history of
Speaker 1: the U D. Lineman because that you mentioned Jerome Brown,
Speaker 1: Jay Bugget, they got tears, tears came out with me
Speaker 1: with the sick of pick in the draft Russell Maryland.
Speaker 1: But they had they had Danny Jill Bert, Jim Burt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the original three folk knows, Ruben Carter. Yeah, they're on
Speaker 1: the wall in the Griddis room when you walk in here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the story that Dwayne Johnson tells all the time.
Speaker 1: When I walked in the room because Oceano told me
Speaker 1: going the room, just sit down and wait for everybody
Speaker 1: to pick their seat, and then you pick a seat
Speaker 1: in the Grittis room because these are cherrysh spots. They
Speaker 1: don't just don't let anybody in the grinds. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in the first chair. Dwayne Johnson coming through the
Speaker 1: woman and ask me what are you doing here? And
Speaker 1: I looked at himself. I'm here for your job, you
Speaker 1: know me, I gotta have something come back. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was just here, come here from your job. So
Speaker 1: so then there's a freshman that comes in Ray Lewis.
Speaker 1: What was your first impression when you met Ray and
Speaker 1: did you know he was gonna be what he became. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know you don't pay no attention to no freshman
Speaker 1: when they come in, and especially the last one that
Speaker 1: I gotta stop Ray that was the last one ratated.
Speaker 1: He was the last kind of ship they gave up
Speaker 1: that we playing, and we're trying to, you know, go
Speaker 1: up in the season because you know, we were fighting
Speaker 1: for national championship. All of a sudden, my middle linebacker
Speaker 1: gets hurt. We gotta go to Colorado, go play the
Speaker 1: bus in Colorado on the road. I ain't got no
Speaker 1: middle Lineback of a sudden, seventeen year old ray lewis
Speaker 1: walking here, still got sand souls in the back of
Speaker 1: the head channel. I ain't lying to your brother, still
Speaker 1: wet behind the ear, stands in front of this huddle
Speaker 1: and tries to call the defense and go. You can't.
Speaker 1: I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I said, son,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna stand in front of this thing, you're
Speaker 1: gonna stand like a man, You're gonna talk like a man,
Speaker 1: You're gonna play like a man. Did you hit me?
Speaker 1: He looked at me. S I got you a big dog,
Speaker 1: change too, ready, ship, I said, I asked, what it
Speaker 1: sounds like, twenty tackles and it'll step shit later. He
Speaker 1: was on his way to becoming that monster that we know,
Speaker 1: the dog. Is it safe to say to start middle linebacker?
Speaker 1: Never got a job at never Wally Pippton Dog. We
Speaker 1: never heard from Basiclyain did you recruit right? No? No,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. The hot recruit that year was Jamie German.
Speaker 1: Me and Rohan Lali drove all the way over the
Speaker 1: Fort Myers when he played back. Yeah, yeah, the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: That was the hot recruit in that year. Ninety three
Speaker 1: it was Jamie German and the year but it was
Speaker 1: heferd Jamie German something like that. Oh Dfert was in
Speaker 1: ninety two and then Jamie German and uh Ray was
Speaker 1: in that class. But he was the last one. He
Speaker 1: really wouldn't know, Hollywood, Holly Tyler got He just grew
Speaker 1: into the monster that we know because he worked so
Speaker 1: damn hard at it. That's what's his thing. He worked
Speaker 1: at it. Dwayne Johnson And I don't know if people
Speaker 1: know this the Dwayne Johnson we're talking about. If the
Speaker 1: Duwayne Johnson you think we're talking about the rock, he
Speaker 1: said Warren sapp was is the reason that I meant
Speaker 1: acting stop that. What type of player was it? On
Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten, he was a six
Speaker 1: and I was and I was an aid in college,
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, right, so he's two steps down.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just he was an adequate player. But
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna make that play for you, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, he wasn't gonna dominate the game.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna take it over, but he holy he'd
Speaker 1: be good enough for you to, you know, not lose
Speaker 1: the game for me, right, I put it in that time.
Speaker 1: So that wasn't like to be on a field, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I played up with a small college and
Speaker 1: I'm the dominant guy, and so I know every day
Speaker 1: I'm the best player out there. But you go out
Speaker 1: there and then you see all these other five star
Speaker 1: recruits and you see all these other guys that's gonna
Speaker 1: be future first round picks, some of them gonna be
Speaker 1: Hall of famers. What is practice like? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Because you know back then practice and practy we thunding up.
Speaker 1: We put people on the ground. They don't know no,
Speaker 1: no we hit, we hit They gotta they gotta call
Speaker 1: us all you Clay, don't take him to the ground.
Speaker 1: We gotta get thug, but don't take him to the ground.
Speaker 1: You're crazy. Dog. In college, it was a dog eat
Speaker 1: dog treat practice field. We go out there, man and
Speaker 1: just obliterate each other. I mean just oh Rohan, Molly Ray.
Speaker 1: They loved to hit. And then C. J. Richardson was
Speaker 1: in the back of my safety. Dog. You would get
Speaker 1: licked up because you know what's up. And I tell
Speaker 1: people it wasn't about about well, I don't need to
Speaker 1: like hurt him because we got a game to play. Nah, bro,
Speaker 1: it is what it is, and we're playing this game. Dog,
Speaker 1: you better protect yourself. That's why I was called bang
Speaker 1: ag as soon as you it was a bag get
Speaker 1: big because you go get hit regardless if you catch
Speaker 1: it or not. When when when you were in college
Speaker 1: and you're playing with Dwayne Johnson, did you know he
Speaker 1: would turn out to beat what he became? Did he
Speaker 1: have that kind of personality? Did he have that kind
Speaker 1: of Careersma, listen, he did, but he kept it hidden.
Speaker 1: He's the kind of guy that you'd let your sister date.
Speaker 1: I mean, real good guy, real charismatic. But the thing
Speaker 1: about him was we always used to say it to him,
Speaker 1: like do it this football fan, don't work out, you're
Speaker 1: gonna go wrestling. He'd be like you damn right. And
Speaker 1: I mean Rocky Johnson was his daddy and the Flying
Speaker 1: Snooker Brothers was his uncle's, so it was in his blood.
Speaker 1: He just took all those sayings that was ed Ocean,
Speaker 1: that candy ass and shoving it sideway. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's what ed Ocean used to talk to us if
Speaker 1: we had a bad practice or a bad game. That's
Speaker 1: how he used to talk to us, just like that.
Speaker 1: So when I first saw it, because Brooks is the
Speaker 1: wrestling fan, Brooks Brooks like, you gotta see this set,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what? What? Man? You took over the TV,
Speaker 1: got Tony Dungy to make me late to the room.
Speaker 1: I was gonna watch something else on the TV tonight. Man, No, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta watch this. So you know you gotta wait
Speaker 1: the whole hour until you get to the main the bit, right,
Speaker 1: So I didn't do it a whole forty minutes of
Speaker 1: wrestling at twenty nine years old. I want to kill
Speaker 1: Brooks at this point, right, come on Man Brooks, Derry Brooks, Now,
Speaker 1: I'm fifty five in your program number nine hundred forty
Speaker 1: two in your heart when it's wrestling time, because he's
Speaker 1: gonna watch it and all of us. A sudden, the smoke,
Speaker 1: the lights, everything sets off, and oh my god, my
Speaker 1: mouth hit the flow. Dog, my mouth hit the flow.
Speaker 1: I was watching my teammate and he was no longer
Speaker 1: the guy that was behind me. He was up front,
Speaker 1: the spinner. The stage was his, and he was giving
Speaker 1: it to h I fell in love it. I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, dog, we can watch the Rock on
Speaker 1: Thursday nights in here. Now you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I guess won't watch the other forty minutes, so I
Speaker 1: just watch, said to him. And then, oh, he coming
Speaker 1: on is about to be over, So I can deal
Speaker 1: with that. Of all the great players, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be I want to I want to get you on
Speaker 1: this one. Who's on your mind? Rushmore of you and players? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got you got Ray Lewis, you got every you
Speaker 1: got Jay Bugett, you got casts, you got Jester Birdie.
Speaker 1: There's one right here. Jam motto, okay, yeah, jam motto.
Speaker 1: And then I'm going with Jerome Brown, okay, representing the
Speaker 1: defensive line. I'm gonna go, oh, Michael Irving, because you
Speaker 1: can't have you, can't have you you you, you would
Speaker 1: have to play me. And then then I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: it to the to the new School. I'm gonna put it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Sean Kayle up there because nobody is
Speaker 1: going on with the great Sean Taylor's sitting on the
Speaker 1: much more. That's my fault right there. Go on old
Speaker 1: line d line wide receiver in dB because you guys
Speaker 1: had them. I mean you think about you and mentioned
Speaker 1: Benny Blade hog smell. Nope, come on, Andre James number three,
Speaker 1: three six, going into the Hall of Fame with us
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson, who's about to crush every Rose Bowl regularly,
Speaker 1: the history of the one. They had to call him off.
Speaker 1: The boys out there in two thousand and one, I mean,
Speaker 1: we got some dogs. Now, we got some dogs. The
Speaker 1: Kynes team of old one. I believe that is the
Speaker 1: greatest team in college football history. When you look at
Speaker 1: who they had on their roster, you look at the
Speaker 1: guys that went in the draft in the first round,
Speaker 1: and you look at what they became in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Now if I give you the ninety five corn Huskers,
Speaker 1: the old four Trojans, eighty eight Notre Dame, two thousand, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: where would you rank that two thousand and one Kings team?
Speaker 1: Number one? I mean number one. I just can't see
Speaker 1: a weakness that football team. I mean, it took a
Speaker 1: referee throwing the latest flag we've ever seen in the
Speaker 1: National Championship game to get to take that trophy away
Speaker 1: from us. But you know, Ohia, they played a good game.
Speaker 1: But boy, that was an immense amount of talent on
Speaker 1: a football fielding You talk about Brian McKinney, Shocky mc gayheat, poorness,
Speaker 1: all of it. In the back. I mean the back
Speaker 1: in the backfield got what sixteen, sixteen, eleven and ten,
Speaker 1: they got thirty four I'm on forty thousand yards in
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's crazy. And you think about Sean Taylor
Speaker 1: was on that team, Ed Reid and Trail Roll, that's
Speaker 1: John You Bilma was a middle backer, Billau. They had
Speaker 1: Viz Walforck, yep Klais Campbell, Jimmy Green. That team was load.
Speaker 1: I don't think people really how good that team was
Speaker 1: because you're running back with Frank Gore Williams mcgahey and
Speaker 1: Clinton port Port Us. And you do realize that two
Speaker 1: and here there was twenty twenty and Frank Gore is
Speaker 1: still in the NFL, the third all time leading rush
Speaker 1: the sixteen thousand yards. There's only two other men to
Speaker 1: say that in their life on two repair days, DL
Speaker 1: needs and one of them happening in high school. Yeah, Stap,
Speaker 1: you go, you go to the combine, O, What's what's
Speaker 1: your process? He's like, Okay, I did this. I'm a
Speaker 1: unanimous All American. I won the Lombardy. I'm the baddest
Speaker 1: defensive player here. Okay, talk about the interview process, the testing,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Nothing. I was just there. I epped up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean with Sean Saloon, God bless
Speaker 1: his soul. That's a good buddy of mine. And you
Speaker 1: know we hadn't went through the whole little banquet US,
Speaker 1: you know, All American team. He was the offensive player
Speaker 1: of year, was a defensive player to year, all up
Speaker 1: to the heisman, you know, off to camp, all these things.
Speaker 1: And my brother won the Heisman that night and he
Speaker 1: pulled out a little little joint and men him hit
Speaker 1: it to Catherin and I put it down. I said,
Speaker 1: that's I gotta go to combine twenty three nanograms Shannon
Speaker 1: in the cutoff was twenty That's stuff, and that's my
Speaker 1: life story in a in a nutshell right there, one
Speaker 1: silly night, one bad mistake. Wasn't about the interviews, because
Speaker 1: what were you gonna say to me? I tell you
Speaker 1: look at to take. I had twelve games and pick
Speaker 1: the game you want to watch. At six foot two,
Speaker 1: three hundred and twelve pounds, you ran a four six nine.
Speaker 1: Did you think going into the combine that you were
Speaker 1: going to be the number one pick in the draft? Two? Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Carolina. Wasn't nothing about me.
Speaker 1: Carolina and number of prisons in pig phones in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: That's right. In colleges and a bunch of colleges. I
Speaker 1: give him that, But Carolina wasn't a spot for me.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Jacksonville. I be in the
Speaker 1: state of Florida, have a chance to play in front
Speaker 1: of my home state, my home mom gets drive buck
Speaker 1: drive back. You know that old old thing. You know,
Speaker 1: you want to be home. You know it's country boy.
Speaker 1: If you're like being right when you look at it.
Speaker 1: Kajana Carter ends up going first overall to UH to
Speaker 1: the Bengo, Steve McNair's third to Houston, and then there's
Speaker 1: a run on defensive lineman Kevin Carter, Mike Mamula, Derek Alexander.
Speaker 1: What you're sitting you you're sitting in at home, and
Speaker 1: so I'm at the draft. I'm in the draft. I
Speaker 1: was the first and Rogers. But in two thousand and
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, baby, they did you boy rolled up
Speaker 1: and left. I would tell you like this said, I
Speaker 1: looked up and you know when Kevin Carter went UH
Speaker 1: six after after carry Collins went. I looked at the list.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, Kajanna Carter had eighteen hundred yards. But
Speaker 1: Shelley was a big bad boy over there. You have
Speaker 1: to see a mcnah ran and threw the ball all
Speaker 1: over the world. So I can't I can't complain with
Speaker 1: that death. Folk was Michael Westbrook. That was the mistake
Speaker 1: by the Washington for ball team. We won't call them
Speaker 1: what they was at the time. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be completeically correct. You know I'm saying, we
Speaker 1: gonna stop it right there and I was just looking
Speaker 1: at the list. So I leaned over to my mama.
Speaker 1: When we got to h mister Brady and the jet screaming,
Speaker 1: we won't sat because that was that was when the
Speaker 1: building was about to cover loops right then, if you know,
Speaker 1: jet fans wanted to kill somebody, and like, why we
Speaker 1: got a chance to get saving. We take a guy
Speaker 1: who caught how many times out I don't know how
Speaker 1: many hands, but it wasn't very many still outbreak. So
Speaker 1: I leaned over to my mother, said, they can take
Speaker 1: all the receivers, tight ends and whatever they want, but
Speaker 1: if they take one defensive tackle, we gonna get up
Speaker 1: and were walking out of here. That's that's the line
Speaker 1: I drew Shan Okay said you can take all the
Speaker 1: ded line back and whatever you think y'all need is
Speaker 1: go take it. But if you take Ellis Johnson, I'm
Speaker 1: walking about it here because that's a disrespect and I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna stand for that. They take Mike Mamula with
Speaker 1: the sell the pick Philly. He was the first workout
Speaker 1: warrior at the combine that blew everybody the way he
Speaker 1: ran four three five, jump, lifted all that rod jumped
Speaker 1: ten eight, all this, yeah, all that, Yeah, put the
Speaker 1: tape on. So it's going out. Obviously you said two
Speaker 1: almost three hours. You're sitting there. Tampa is on the clock.
Speaker 1: Oh man, listen, Rosa House got a call. He tell me, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got I think this, Tampa. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm done. I'm like Tampa, boy, and
Speaker 1: Tampa Tampa, y'all got eleven straight double digit lost season,
Speaker 1: and y'all questioning whether to take the best player. It
Speaker 1: ain't even on the board in the whole damn draft
Speaker 1: that's left right now. You kidding me? You couldn't trade
Speaker 1: away three picks right now for me, boy, And one
Speaker 1: was Guinny Green was sitting right there and told the
Speaker 1: people the night before the only person worrited to move
Speaker 1: up in this draft, the draft is one step he took.
Speaker 1: Derek Alexander I took out with personally, God bless you're
Speaker 1: so did I want to talk bad about you to day?
Speaker 1: So I told him. So I get on the phone. Sam,
Speaker 1: wife's like we're thinking about taking I was like, Drew,
Speaker 1: get this phone. I'm like, you just get this phone. Man.
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore. I don't care anymore right now.
Speaker 1: You know I won't out of here right now. I
Speaker 1: wasn't even planning on going to the draft. I was
Speaker 1: gonna be at home, a country born in the back
Speaker 1: yard with the barbecue. They then gave me the whole
Speaker 1: top floor to marry out. My key laid me out.
Speaker 1: I got a broom with a hot tub and everything
Speaker 1: in it. I ain't never had nothing like that looking
Speaker 1: out over New York. They didn't bad. You get drafted
Speaker 1: by the Bucks. You going to town for twelve, Like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, they had at least a decade of double
Speaker 1: digit losing Caesars. You have some I liked the cream
Speaker 1: Sikle uniform because you got it. They had the cream fickle.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a newer the cream fickle real nice.
Speaker 1: I made a deal. I traded harder Ni because from
Speaker 1: where you had the pro bowl. I got with him
Speaker 1: cream fickle helmet. I get you. I get you A
Speaker 1: nine nine. I need I need that? Yeah? That would
Speaker 1: I need that? Would I need that? Nine nine? I
Speaker 1: got you? What was the first thing Warren sat bought
Speaker 1: with some of that NFL money My mama house and
Speaker 1: my Mama Mercedes being three twenty s class. I remember
Speaker 1: taking my mama to the Mercedes being placed dog because
Speaker 1: I was gonna get her to drive her a new
Speaker 1: car over to the house, right, you know, because my
Speaker 1: mama had never had a new car, and I like,
Speaker 1: you know, my my mom got a funny said, but
Speaker 1: I ain't never had a car. Nobody else else farted in, so,
Speaker 1: you know, we had to get that second hand car. Weet,
Speaker 1: you gotta do what you gotta do, sad. And then
Speaker 1: pallet that laid down in the back. That when you
Speaker 1: had to let the seat up and get in the back.
Speaker 1: That nobody want to sit in the back. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. So and the LTG,
Speaker 1: that long cuffing dangerous dog. I went and got. I
Speaker 1: went to the Mercedes ben dealing ship with my mama.
Speaker 1: Had a line up, I said, Mama, picked the color
Speaker 1: you want? What? What? What? Mam gonna pick the color
Speaker 1: you want and the car you want and then you
Speaker 1: got to go catch dry. Then my home boys sitting
Speaker 1: in the back, you know, the being big back then,
Speaker 1: you know, but big on fire. My home boy wasn't
Speaker 1: by five seven. He back that swinging his feet up
Speaker 1: in the air. He said, man, it's like sitting down
Speaker 1: the city bus, man, I do I had to buy,
Speaker 1: I said, we buy this day dog. Then we gonna
Speaker 1: drive around to the house. So I got my mom
Speaker 1: in a brand new car. I say, drive over here
Speaker 1: to this address. Okay, she's driving over there. We over
Speaker 1: on Pop the violent road that's over there in the
Speaker 1: good part of the time when the back lake city
Speaker 1: amongst the lakes, told my mom up on a four
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars crib upstairs, a little spot hide the
Speaker 1: way where I can get it. I can come in
Speaker 1: the garage and go up there. She won't even know
Speaker 1: him in there, and four of the bedrooms over there,
Speaker 1: big nasty pool on the back end covered in. Walked
Speaker 1: up to the door and I had the lady standing there.
Speaker 1: And the lady standing there, she said, you want to
Speaker 1: come inside and look. I'm gonna saying I want to
Speaker 1: look inside. I brought the keys from the lady. I said, Mom,
Speaker 1: you ain't got to go look inside. This one is yours,
Speaker 1: skinking GINGI She said, what I said, that was jo
Speaker 1: the dude you walk there. She went in there with
Speaker 1: the crime and you know how they dog They just
Speaker 1: of course, just one of the moments that you just
Speaker 1: live for. And that was my day. You mentioned rest
Speaker 1: his soul. Slam White drafted you, but Tony Dungeon comes in.
Speaker 1: Tell me the impact that Tony had not only on Tampa,
Speaker 1: but on you. I was at the Super Bowl with
Speaker 1: John Randall and Derek Thomas, God bless your soul. We're
Speaker 1: doing a line of challenge down in the waters, and
Speaker 1: everybody came up to him. It was like, oh, you
Speaker 1: got the man, you got the man. I'm like, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Tony down Jamano. And you know, I'm a young player.
Speaker 1: I don't know who Tony Dungeon was in Kansas City
Speaker 1: with Neil Smith and Derek Thomas doing all that. You know,
Speaker 1: I went to Minnesota and him and money is you know,
Speaker 1: riching this this, this two things together. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I'm a young player, just trying to get m feet wet,
Speaker 1: trying to you know, not not fall out the league
Speaker 1: in three years, you know what I'm saying. Right, So
Speaker 1: they're telling me all these good stuff about ton So
Speaker 1: I got to go home. I gotta go si this
Speaker 1: man and your brother. So you know, I ain't never
Speaker 1: had no black coach in my life, you know, never,
Speaker 1: So I just shoot back to tamp I walk in
Speaker 1: this thing. I'm plowing through the building. He meets me.
Speaker 1: I guess somebody told him I was somewhere coming in
Speaker 1: the building. He say, I'm looking for you. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for you. I had to come to my office. So
Speaker 1: we went around to his office. I sat in the
Speaker 1: coaches off, the first time I ever sat in the
Speaker 1: coaches I was looking at another brother. I'm like, boy,
Speaker 1: it's damn good. I can't wait to tell my mother.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know what kind of man
Speaker 1: he is, you know right. No, he looks at me
Speaker 1: and he said, I want you to do the same
Speaker 1: thing you did at my end. I said, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa coach? Do you know what that entails? He said,
Speaker 1: what does that entail? I said, that's trump or a
Speaker 1: run on my way to the quarterback. He said, I
Speaker 1: like the way that sounds. And we never had another
Speaker 1: discussion about one shot play though he turned me a loose.
Speaker 1: You do realize, I think the thing is is that
Speaker 1: he envisioned you like the Steelers. You Joe Green. They're
Speaker 1: gonna put him at that under tackle and the dog
Speaker 1: he told me, and Brooks this after you know, he
Speaker 1: got us both together. He said, you're you are Joe
Speaker 1: Green and you are Jack Hammon. Joe Green had ten
Speaker 1: straight Pro Bowls, four World Championships, and two Defensive Players
Speaker 1: of the Year. That's what you're chasing and need, he
Speaker 1: read off, Jack Hammon Brooks. Me and Brooks looked at
Speaker 1: each other and say, let me got some work to do.
Speaker 1: I said, it gonna be fun. Brooks, Hey, let's see
Speaker 1: what we got. If he's gonna let us play, it
Speaker 1: had the freedom that he says, he don't let me go.
Speaker 1: I play this man he did a week or twice
Speaker 1: on something. You start, they play your company. You know,
Speaker 1: you got a defense named after they call it Tampa two.
Speaker 1: He got a d and then you become an All
Speaker 1: Pro for fourth grade years, you make the playoffs, you
Speaker 1: win Defensive Player of the Year. Why why? What was
Speaker 1: some of the reasons you feel you weren't able to
Speaker 1: get over the hut with coach Dudget. I thought coach
Speaker 1: was a little too nice. And the thing about Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: He gave him Peyton Manning, so Peyton Manning would drive
Speaker 1: the offense, and then he could come over and do
Speaker 1: what he did to us, turn us into a fine
Speaker 1: tune defense that understands the nuances in the situational football,
Speaker 1: in the timeout and all the little you know, all
Speaker 1: the little things, that little pebble in your shoot that
Speaker 1: will drive you crazy in the football game. He could
Speaker 1: teach that to the net, but he really didn't demand
Speaker 1: what he demanded from this defense. From our offense. He
Speaker 1: asked trying to just three yards and punk the ball
Speaker 1: and don't turn it over. That that isn't what we needed.
Speaker 1: We needed. We needed, We needed some drive. We need
Speaker 1: you needed somebody to hold him accountable. Hold on coach too.
Speaker 1: Dog Tony used to walk in the room and tell
Speaker 1: Man Nearly, I expect nine sacks this week, and I'm
Speaker 1: walking down to your man. There have the head now,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, what's up, coach Man? I looked at
Speaker 1: the take Babe, I'm coming here. I'm gonna try how
Speaker 1: to get DIBs eating all this case this week. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm I got some people about to take
Speaker 1: to the ouse. Coach O specs nine sides. I'm like, nah,
Speaker 1: I said, wait, wait, if I get three, what the
Speaker 1: hell the other sticks coming from this? Before? Sid me?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that I'll send you there ship.
Speaker 1: What a hell? Then other six come come on, man,
Speaker 1: he say nine. Then he had one. He said nine, sap,
Speaker 1: you're in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The Brooklyn
Speaker 1: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Lanches up, So
Speaker 1: is run Day. What was it like playing with those guys?
Speaker 1: A pleasure, a privilege and an absolute pleasure. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, just dog, the work that they put in
Speaker 1: Run Day. You know me and Run Day haven't looked in.
Speaker 1: He'd be ready to jump the route in the first
Speaker 1: half the first quarter. I said, run Day, not What
Speaker 1: if you jump this route and they double me there's
Speaker 1: nobody over the top, And he'd look at me, go, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. I said, Dog, you can't have it right now. Baby,
Speaker 1: you got you gotta give me time enough to figure
Speaker 1: out where slide is going and I'll let you know
Speaker 1: when I can let you go. I he was like,
Speaker 1: he was like that that little banch. You get to
Speaker 1: hold him back, because boy, he was gonna go jump
Speaker 1: and bite that ball and go get his hands on it.
Speaker 1: Boy and Lynch. Lynch would not accept not hitting a
Speaker 1: man in his face, you know, like we you know,
Speaker 1: put your face masks on it right, none of this,
Speaker 1: none of this. Go low, hits you in the knee,
Speaker 1: get you right square in your mouth and let Lynch
Speaker 1: would have been out the league. Dad took all mental money.
Speaker 1: You can bandit. That's why. That's why when you a
Speaker 1: dinosaur like that, can they put him in the museum
Speaker 1: with us? You know all of it. We can't play
Speaker 1: out there like we used to play the ball man as.
Speaker 1: You can't slap. You don't do that old hat slaps
Speaker 1: you used to do at the top of your route
Speaker 1: and push out. You can't do that no more. They're
Speaker 1: throwing flats. Nineteen ninety nine, you do the defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year, But I believe you think you had
Speaker 1: a better year a couple of years later. Was that
Speaker 1: your best that was your best seat? Do you believe
Speaker 1: your defensive Player of the year was your best defensive season? No?
Speaker 1: Two thousand, US two thousand. My my wife is pregnant
Speaker 1: with my son, and I had winning that thing. In
Speaker 1: the off season. Shan and I had worked. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was having me a boy. I'm gonna name any
Speaker 1: more and st after second baby, I'm gonna calling Deuce.
Speaker 1: I had it all mapped out and I was over there.
Speaker 1: I was at the house eating ice cream and south
Speaker 1: cream and onion and pickles. You know, the pregnant lady year,
Speaker 1: pregnant lady lake that after I'm figuring I didn't win,
Speaker 1: worked out out the day long, I could do all this.
Speaker 1: I'm going back tomorrow. Dog. I stood on this scale
Speaker 1: week when I was three hundred and twenty six pound.
Speaker 1: I looked around. I was like, damn, where's the fifth
Speaker 1: the sixth grade that I ate? Maybe if somebody but
Speaker 1: Tony Dungy didn't say a word to me that Friday,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he could have come back here and
Speaker 1: get on this week thing. Man, I'm gonna didn't say
Speaker 1: a word. I left up. I let that Friday came back. Saturday,
Speaker 1: we flied up Foxborough, flying up that time, flew up
Speaker 1: that head, say a word. Sunday morning we got the
Speaker 1: one o'clock a gain. He ain't say the water dog,
Speaker 1: I'll go out here and Belichick got Max Lane out
Speaker 1: here with a big cut chick on his right hand.
Speaker 1: I said, I was shoved that in your ear as
Speaker 1: I go kill your quarterback there. I think I think
Speaker 1: I missed Drew Blessed so six times that day, but
Speaker 1: I got him like one and a half. So we
Speaker 1: fly back to Tampa. We have a good time. We
Speaker 1: wanted over. Sitting in the back of the you know,
Speaker 1: Monday Monday stretch, I look up. There's no Brad copepper beshithing,
Speaker 1: so I'm back here by myself. They just drafted mc fall,
Speaker 1: so I'm back here by myself. Sitting back here, I
Speaker 1: ain't got nobody to talk to on Monday. After the
Speaker 1: good wind, I look around him. Here he comes. I said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're gonna have some conversation on Monday.
Speaker 1: After wind. He walked up to me. He walked up
Speaker 1: to me and said three twenty six hundred. I said, coach,
Speaker 1: you watch me coming here every day. It worked my
Speaker 1: butt off. I was not going back in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: eight when I wasn't effective. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I said, but wouldn't come off. Coach, I don't know
Speaker 1: what it did. He said. He said, if you play
Speaker 1: like you played Sunday, we don't need to talk about
Speaker 1: your week. Dog about eight, I had ten half sat though,
Speaker 1: and that was you know, that was the year Ray
Speaker 1: one defensive Player of the year. We went back to back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back to back to back to back. I think he
Speaker 1: won another one. Yeah, we went back and back nine
Speaker 1: to nine, two thousand, back to back. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: that's a year he went it came to my stadium
Speaker 1: and won him a championship with my old quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a very memorable year for me. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: also did something that very very few defensive tackles get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do. You caught a couple of touchdown passes. Now,
Speaker 1: I remember the one against Atlanta, and you think you
Speaker 1: should have seen the dance and practice. Dog. That was
Speaker 1: a real g version of what I was doing in practice.
Speaker 1: You just know this. You know I was cutting up
Speaker 1: in practice. So when they when they called, okay, you
Speaker 1: running in practice, I mean, you know, you practice a
Speaker 1: lot of things, but sometimes after they practice and you
Speaker 1: don't call him in the game, And I'm like, hold on,
Speaker 1: why did y'all call that in the game. They worked
Speaker 1: in practice calling in the game. So John Groom says
Speaker 1: to me on Wednesday, I'm gonna grow the legend. I said, what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw you the football this week. So we
Speaker 1: practice it Wednesday Thursday. By the time Friday roll around,
Speaker 1: Brooks and them ain't even playing defense when I go
Speaker 1: on offense. They just prevented me from doing this dance though.
Speaker 1: That's how bad it's the guy that's how bad at
Speaker 1: that guy. I mean, we practice it two three times
Speaker 1: a day, you know, short yard, and they put me
Speaker 1: in there and do it. Then go lie, we do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm scoring this thing because you know, this little
Speaker 1: this little young boy, he don't he don't really know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I'm faking. I'm an old tight end.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm faking like I'm blocking him good, you know,
Speaker 1: give him a good punch he pushed back. I throw
Speaker 1: him on the ground. You know, I'm going up with
Speaker 1: this bad They don't know no about the old tightens day.
Speaker 1: So I just score full times. So Friday roll around,
Speaker 1: no way. I told John, I said, don't even call
Speaker 1: it the day. He's like, I gotta practice my play.
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, they're not gonna let me score Man
Speaker 1: Brooks and lint over the garden. I'm like, dog, y'all
Speaker 1: not playing the defense that we played around here, just
Speaker 1: so I can't store. You ain't doing that dance no more.
Speaker 1: So that's what started it. That's what started you won't
Speaker 1: do that dance in the Landa. The whole flight, the
Speaker 1: whole Saturday flight. You know, they ever fifty six minutes
Speaker 1: from Campa Atlanta, the whole flight. Is she gonna do today?
Speaker 1: He is she gonna do today? I'm like, God, I'm like, John,
Speaker 1: do not call his play. He's like, I want to
Speaker 1: see the dance. Oh it was. It was across the
Speaker 1: board that he's gonna call it, and I gotta do
Speaker 1: the dance. So it was already set. So Jesus go
Speaker 1: back a little bit. They relieve coach Dunge of his duty.
Speaker 1: They're gonna bring a new coach in. Did you have
Speaker 1: a conversation with coach Dungeon after they let him go. No,
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Tony Dungeon before they let
Speaker 1: him go. That was That was a scary part because
Speaker 1: we were leaving Philadelphia after getting beat thirty one ten
Speaker 1: or thirty one nine, I think that was the two scores.
Speaker 1: It was going to get back to back game years
Speaker 1: and he was the last one to get on the bus.
Speaker 1: And that's never Tony always ahead of us. Then Tony
Speaker 1: is there, Brooks is beside him, and I'm behind him.
Speaker 1: I get on the bus and he ain't there, and
Speaker 1: I look at Brooks. Brooks like, I don't know, so
Speaker 1: I sit down. So we get a little worried. You
Speaker 1: know that they finified him in Philly at the bed
Speaker 1: after the game. Long story short, he gets on the
Speaker 1: bus and he says, us, we're safe. We're good. I
Speaker 1: just talked to the owners. We're good. Nothing's gonna happen. Man,
Speaker 1: we get back in. I think there was that Monday
Speaker 1: they fired him. Tuesday, I I I went to I
Speaker 1: went to seet Richard McKay. I say, dog, you gotta
Speaker 1: get me out of here. I said, because this ain't
Speaker 1: this ain't no no no bat dog, bat down, bat dot,
Speaker 1: come down, come down, come down. We're gonna get a coach.
Speaker 1: We gonna get we gonna, I said. I said, one
Speaker 1: other time I came in your office and I actually
Speaker 1: getting me out of here. And that was gonna Sam
Speaker 1: White after my rookie year told me he'll be a
Speaker 1: better situation. So I'm gonna see who you hire and
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Before I asked you to trade
Speaker 1: me the kids so fat because that I mean, you man,
Speaker 1: they had. Then they cut our chest out, They cut
Speaker 1: the heart out of our chest. I mean that man,
Speaker 1: that man had taught us how to be prosed, how
Speaker 1: to be dass, how to be fathers, how to be men,
Speaker 1: and he didn't deserve that. They bring in John Gruden.
Speaker 1: They have to give a kings Rastom two first rounds
Speaker 1: eight million dollars, which I never heard of somebody trading
Speaker 1: for a coach. But that's not the you know, and
Speaker 1: you know he asked for me too, Oh did it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then the Glaciers said, we'll give you the money,
Speaker 1: the draft picks everything, but Warn, we'll give you everything
Speaker 1: you asked for a butt. Warn. What a concept. Dog.
Speaker 1: That's why I love a Glacier. February to the day
Speaker 1: I died that dog. I was the first pick and
Speaker 1: they would trade me with L David's born. To the kids,
Speaker 1: Rastom Dog, it was like, we trades you everything, but
Speaker 1: I Jack. You finally get an opportunity because you know
Speaker 1: how you're gonna be defined if you want to be
Speaker 1: one of these premier tackles and to go down in
Speaker 1: history and be legendary. You got to win the chill.
Speaker 1: You got to win the chill. So you make it.
Speaker 1: You go on the road, you beat feeling and feeling
Speaker 1: for the championship game. Ronde Barber jumped that stick route,
Speaker 1: which y'all call a yogi. He went to that, he
Speaker 1: housed it. You get to the Super Bowl. What is
Speaker 1: your thought process going into the game. Did you think, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta work cut out for us. Are you like
Speaker 1: we're gonna beat the brakes up there? We were just
Speaker 1: gonna go one play at a time, because that was
Speaker 1: always our model. One player at a time, never know
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, coal ahead behind, no matter what the goal,
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna play this thing for sixty minutes,
Speaker 1: and then were gonna look him and see what happened.
Speaker 1: It was just because we were the last team to
Speaker 1: go straight from a championship to a Super Bowl. There
Speaker 1: was no bodyweek right, You had no We had no
Speaker 1: time to fit. And then we were living off East
Speaker 1: Coast time on the West coast. So we woke up
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning shading the folk. Thirty in the morning, suck
Speaker 1: our head out the door, me run day Brooks Lynch,
Speaker 1: Sean Cause, Simeon, Rice, uh D white Smith. We had
Speaker 1: a meeting at six o'clock in the morning. We went
Speaker 1: to go turn on the field because we were just
Speaker 1: sitting there twiddling our thumbs in the middle car. We
Speaker 1: were up. Dog. The white Smith looked at that table
Speaker 1: and sure, I'm gonna pick that pass off that sluggo
Speaker 1: scene when yeah, we're just standing there and throw it
Speaker 1: back on the Hige Twhite seating into the house. Dog.
Speaker 1: It was, it was set in stone. It wasn't one
Speaker 1: of those were gonna have an easy night. We just
Speaker 1: had to go put it in the work that we
Speaker 1: needed to put in, because you know how it is
Speaker 1: in a football game at that big mo get to
Speaker 1: swing on you at all health break loose you exactly right.
Speaker 1: So the old two bucks defense, we got the seventy
Speaker 1: six stealers, eighty five Bears, two thousand Ravens, thirteen Seahawks,
Speaker 1: fifteen Broncos. Ravens. You like that, you like that? I
Speaker 1: always hit that two thousand Ravens. D Dog, y'all want
Speaker 1: y'all y'all wants going touchdown, And that little fluke player
Speaker 1: and that little flue pass you called and took off
Speaker 1: a night of seven yards after wireless play every playoff history, Dogs,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell I mean? It's what that dog.
Speaker 1: I used to tell Ray, we invented buckball, but y'all
Speaker 1: wouldn't affected that thing. Dog and get it with my
Speaker 1: old quarterback to dog, y'all even talk gift for how
Speaker 1: not to throw the pick six. Believe it. At that
Speaker 1: point in time, you know all we had to do
Speaker 1: is not turn the ball over. The likely would if
Speaker 1: you drive about seventy eighty yards against that defense. It
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen. It wasn't gonna happen. Do you think
Speaker 1: somebody will ever break the Ravens scoring? They gave up
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five points in sixteen games. Do
Speaker 1: you think something? You don't think that. No, they didn't
Speaker 1: build the Automa in the middle. I'm sure they're talking
Speaker 1: about Tom Brady gonna leave forty to beat it. But
Speaker 1: I'm a defensive tackle. You're crazy. We got a whole
Speaker 1: new little we enjoyed right now. Baby, this thing wide over,
Speaker 1: so let's let's get the over. Let's ride on. Things
Speaker 1: did not end the way you would have liked it too.
Speaker 1: In Tampa? Why did you leave Tampa? And then why
Speaker 1: did you go to the Raiders. They made a decision
Speaker 1: that after McFarling with be able to do my job.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know how to say there's a business decision.
Speaker 1: I mean John Gruten told me when I got on
Speaker 1: the phone. When I you know, woke up that morning
Speaker 1: it was free agency. Marvin Lewis made an offer that
Speaker 1: Drew rosen House two minutes before free agency open. They
Speaker 1: had a Florida State workout somewhere. Marvin Lewis is on
Speaker 1: the phone. I'm like, well, go give me twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars for four years, and I'm retiring after that. Because
Speaker 1: I want to play. I wanna do four years and
Speaker 1: I'm retiring. I had already mapped out my retirement. After
Speaker 1: I was leaving Tampa, John Gruten. I got on the phone.
Speaker 1: Gruten told me give me an hour. Paul Mike Brown
Speaker 1: said give him an hour for me to accept his offer.
Speaker 1: So I waited fifty six minutes. Carl rosen House back,
Speaker 1: I said, take Mike Brown's offer. I jumped in my car,
Speaker 1: went down to one Buck place. I cleaned out my luck.
Speaker 1: It was over in Tampa that fast. Are you disappointed
Speaker 1: they didn't make a better attempt to keep you. You
Speaker 1: are a cornerstone player, No, no, I had I'm like
Speaker 1: a bad cold when I didn't run my course, let
Speaker 1: me go. I ain't wasn't nothing. You know, we we
Speaker 1: had won a championship together. My name was gonna be
Speaker 1: on the wall. And you know my what, I didn't
Speaker 1: temple with sketch and they had them put a statue
Speaker 1: of me in the one butt place. I was happy.
Speaker 1: So it's a choice between the Bengals and the Raiders.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Al Davids got on the phone
Speaker 1: and saying, and I woke up. I mean I went
Speaker 1: down to Miami. I was at the Heat game and
Speaker 1: Frozen House called me six o'clock in the morning, said
Speaker 1: Al Davis is on the phone. He said, he's not
Speaker 1: hanging up in two years. Raider Mike Brown didn't have
Speaker 1: a chance. Mike Brown said, he would, you know, hitting
Speaker 1: against himself and all kind of the foolishness. That's why
Speaker 1: the Bengals out of bagles Il rested soul. He always
Speaker 1: he would always ask, you'd be out there scratching and
Speaker 1: you see you run by. Specially with great players. You
Speaker 1: would always come and put you and put his hand
Speaker 1: on your shoulder. So you want to be Raider? Yeah? Yeah. Oh.
Speaker 1: He loved collecting love collecting. He did love collecting great players.
Speaker 1: So you you played, I think it wouldn't play two
Speaker 1: years or three years in Oakland four four you let
Speaker 1: it go. You says I'm done. And you were coming
Speaker 1: off a great season your last season. You played really
Speaker 1: really well well a year before that. I had ten
Speaker 1: sex too. But Dog, trust me, when you walk in
Speaker 1: the locker room and they're talking about how much money
Speaker 1: to got on the chief making and how much distion
Speaker 1: that and whatever, it wasn't it wasn't about winning. I
Speaker 1: want fifteen games in four years, and trust me, it
Speaker 1: was not about winning and over I want five po
Speaker 1: two and four games in four years. I didn't lose
Speaker 1: like that in Tampa, Dog, and I damn showed one
Speaker 1: gonna fly thirty three hundred miles to go get beat
Speaker 1: like that. And it ain't no sunny place over there
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area, baby, And I was living in
Speaker 1: sad Frere other than the lazy Deman Topino on Tuesday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Over had to walk that out every Tuesday. Nothing else
Speaker 1: would keep me going back to San France. You were
Speaker 1: also and open when Randy Moss came, who talked to
Speaker 1: us about that situation and why didn't it work out
Speaker 1: with Randy and Open. They ran the hell out of
Speaker 1: Randy Man. They made this man run so many goat
Speaker 1: routs in practice that it didn't make sense. And then
Speaker 1: Carry Collins got there and Carry didn't want to throw
Speaker 1: him the ball because he didn't believe that this was open.
Speaker 1: When Randy did this, he was open. I said, Carry,
Speaker 1: throw the ball. Well, he's not open. I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Either he gonna catch it, they gonna pass
Speaker 1: in the fence, or the balls gonna hit the ground.
Speaker 1: They're not picking it off. Throw him the ball. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't throw it. He wouldn't throw it. He would not
Speaker 1: throw it. And then we went to Andrew Waters and oh, no, dog,
Speaker 1: you know I had eleven of them, seventeen quarterbacks they
Speaker 1: talking about, from rich Gannon up to Jamacus Russell or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right I had it. Oh boy, back, go back. You
Speaker 1: were tired. Thirteen seasons, four hundred and thirty four solo tackles,
Speaker 1: ninety six and a half sacks, second high four defensive
Speaker 1: tackle behind Johnny ram Of nineteen fourths, fumble four in exceptions.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to get to a hunt. You didn't
Speaker 1: want to get to that that scene. No, what did
Speaker 1: you think I was doing that last year? I was
Speaker 1: looking right at it. I had I had ninety four,
Speaker 1: and I had I had ninety four, and then I
Speaker 1: get two and a half, ninety three something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ninety four and then nine with ninety six and a half,
Speaker 1: I had ninety four shacks. I only needed six though, right,
Speaker 1: it was only two years of my career. I didn't
Speaker 1: have six sacks. Well three my my rookie year, my
Speaker 1: first year in Oakland, in the year I told my
Speaker 1: rotator cuff in Oakland, three years of my thirteen years,
Speaker 1: I hadn't had six shacks. I was like, I kicked
Speaker 1: this at midway. Oh, and then you're like, when when
Speaker 1: did you When did you know? It was over Monday night?
Speaker 1: All right, we're going to see al this week fifteen
Speaker 1: that night, random mouse dropping the ball on money that football,
Speaker 1: I mean, dropped by four or five on them. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Yeah, we's up there. We's
Speaker 1: up there playing Mike Hunger. You know, Mike Hunger loves
Speaker 1: to play that wide over style dog. I had my
Speaker 1: all white Jordan's own patent leather his Monday Night football.
Speaker 1: I know my mama watching dog. I'm finn to do
Speaker 1: with Michael Jackson. Dog my White pat level he heard this,
Speaker 1: that dog. I sat Seneca Wallace three times that night.
Speaker 1: I'm dancing all over the field. I called my ins
Speaker 1: my birthday too. You know, be simple, baby. So I'm
Speaker 1: driving across the Bay Bridge that that. That Monday morning,
Speaker 1: I called my mama on speaker phone. I'm like, Mama,
Speaker 1: I know you saw your boy last night cutting up
Speaker 1: on Monday night football. My mama said, Boy, if I
Speaker 1: want to watch somebody get killed, I watch lawing Order.
Speaker 1: What my mama said, if I want to watch somebody
Speaker 1: get killed, I will watch the Law and Order. She
Speaker 1: was worried about you hurting Seneca Wallace. No, she was
Speaker 1: telling about Andrew Waters getting sat nine times my quarterback.
Speaker 1: Oh the boy made they made My mama turned off
Speaker 1: the night football. Dog. My mama couldn't even enjoy me
Speaker 1: up that doing my thing because she was so worried
Speaker 1: about Andrew Waters. I called him Andrew the frame the
Speaker 1: toughest screw to ever do a turn and shot shot. Baby.
Speaker 1: They get they put that boy through some thing, but
Speaker 1: one time for do frame, Baby, put up the stick,
Speaker 1: the shot had us own the stick? Baby? You you
Speaker 1: were tired, and then you get the call the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. What were your emotions like when you got
Speaker 1: that call? Because you're going to football, Heaver? You know
Speaker 1: what it's like, Dog, You can't you can't control it.
Speaker 1: You can't stop you trying to figure out what to
Speaker 1: put on. Who the call? You know, the home boys
Speaker 1: yelling that shit. I mean, I don't know what you
Speaker 1: had because you know, I didn't have this knock on
Speaker 1: the door thing. You didn't have it either, You had
Speaker 1: knock no See, I didn't have no knock on the
Speaker 1: door either, So I mean I was. I was with
Speaker 1: my homeboys, you know what I'm saying. We had that
Speaker 1: went to two sisters and had a crawfish broad down
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. You know, I had to take my
Speaker 1: mind off this thing, dog, because somebody was gonna get
Speaker 1: told some very choice words if they were gonna tell
Speaker 1: me that. You know what I'm saying, that that that
Speaker 1: that guy that you got away the year What for what? For? Who?
Speaker 1: You know? My first game in the NFL was the
Speaker 1: who for What? Game? By Ricky Waters? Baby said, you
Speaker 1: know me, I was there to ask a for Whogle
Speaker 1: for w but no, I was just so happy and
Speaker 1: felt so blessed to be put in that position. Dog
Speaker 1: because you know, I've seen Chris Carr. You know I
Speaker 1: I hear Chris Carter. Chris Carter was in year six,
Speaker 1: Dwayne Robinson was in year thirty, Curry Carr was in
Speaker 1: year twenty seven. You know what I'm saying. So we
Speaker 1: have a whole band. We got three first ballots and
Speaker 1: then we got twenty seven thirty years Bill Parcels, you
Speaker 1: know Chris Carter, you know, a whole mixing in my class.
Speaker 1: So I got a true appreciation when you get to
Speaker 1: the hall of what it is to be in that
Speaker 1: VP brough Well, you know, Sathing you you know a
Speaker 1: you know you couldn't be without incident. You know you
Speaker 1: you kept some ish going, skipping through, skipping through the
Speaker 1: basket going. Tony Tony Dungee was there with me for
Speaker 1: eight years when I was in Tampa, and I ran
Speaker 1: out that locker room the same way every time. Tony
Speaker 1: knew I was coming out there, and Tony laid him
Speaker 1: out that when I went bouncing through that I looked
Speaker 1: at him and he smiled at me, and I nodded
Speaker 1: and he died it. I was this was nothing about
Speaker 1: intimidating anybody. It was just my route to work. Dog.
Speaker 1: The fastest point between any two the passagition between any
Speaker 1: two points a straight line. I used to go from
Speaker 1: this corner to that camp. And I'm not stopping for nobody.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bump into sap. You know how that
Speaker 1: faith folded to work? What you know? And let me
Speaker 1: ask your question. What if somebody came skipping through tampas
Speaker 1: am I at home or in my way? You have
Speaker 1: you have, it doesn't matter they come get me through
Speaker 1: you brook list. They just come gip it in the back.
Speaker 1: I'm alway at the end zone and I'm alway in
Speaker 1: the back. I mean somebody else got a hell of that.
Speaker 1: But don't worry about it. We've been had sixty minutes
Speaker 1: to worry about this. Don't worry about it. We finn
Speaker 1: get up close and personal. Don't worry. Don't worry about
Speaker 1: all that. Bruahad you know what, it's so much brew
Speaker 1: haha brought in the foolishness and LaVar Arrington played into
Speaker 1: it and Chris Collins were bigged up. It was nothing,
Speaker 1: man I'm not FINNI fighting no football game. I'm finn
Speaker 1: to go assault your quarterback. You have an incident with
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. Oh you get a pick and
Speaker 1: you do the crackback or Chad Cliff tell the people
Speaker 1: at home and they don't know. Give him the backdrop
Speaker 1: of the story. It was transpired. Listen. It was an
Speaker 1: interception and he was being lazy because when when when
Speaker 1: Brian picked it off, first thing I do is look
Speaker 1: at the quarterback, because that's the guy you want. I mean,
Speaker 1: I look at Brett and bread take off running. He laughed.
Speaker 1: I'm like some of her and I look and I'm
Speaker 1: on the outside and the rest of them and all
Speaker 1: they took off to the side line. So I look,
Speaker 1: and Clifton was being a little lazy. I'm like, so
Speaker 1: I take off running and go get it, and my
Speaker 1: Spidey ships go off something saying he's in range. So
Speaker 1: I so I, so I peek out. So I turned
Speaker 1: and here the food. You know, because you know the
Speaker 1: rule that the old alignment ain't in the screen, they
Speaker 1: get fined like fifteen hundred dollars. They gotta be in
Speaker 1: the screen on the interception at the time. So I
Speaker 1: know this because the other old lignment have told us.
Speaker 1: So I peek out the call in my eye and
Speaker 1: he right there. So I'm an F sixteen fighter pilot.
Speaker 1: I got toned. I give him a nice little He
Speaker 1: goes and takes off, and it's unfortunately that he hit
Speaker 1: the ground that hard and he tore us hip pump.
Speaker 1: Than that, other than that, other than that, damn him.
Speaker 1: You know that man three first of all linemen. They
Speaker 1: used to flying in the air like that. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: my fault. He used to keep your seat on the
Speaker 1: ground and keep your head on the swimble. He's got
Speaker 1: a responsibility to protect himself too, though he does dog.
Speaker 1: You can't do that, though, bo I got a couple
Speaker 1: of rules. You can't do that as you can't run
Speaker 1: through the stressed up you know. You know the reason
Speaker 1: why they pat you down. They used to take the
Speaker 1: turn people and rub them down. Icon Me and Brad
Speaker 1: Colepepper go to Indianapolis in nineteen ninety eight. He telled me, hey,
Speaker 1: I got some silicone. I'm like, what is that? He's like, yo.
Speaker 1: He put the towel over his heads and strain me back,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what are you talking about? So I go.
Speaker 1: We go out there. Jay Lewisburgh put his hand on
Speaker 1: Brad the first play. The next play he shoot his
Speaker 1: ball fifteen yards sideways. We recover this thag on like
Speaker 1: the fifteen yard lot of driving in for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: We win the game thirty one to twenty eight dollar. Dog.
Speaker 1: They come looking for Brad, looking for me, I mean, dog,
Speaker 1: that we the reason why they checked people for silicone.
Speaker 1: That was that was an old trick back in the day.
Speaker 1: I don't wanted the ball toot me the secret. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of secrets that go that you and
Speaker 1: I both know. We did that. It wasn't supposed I
Speaker 1: don't was silical. I was not gonna put it on me. Dog.
Speaker 1: I was not putting a foreign substance on me to
Speaker 1: go play this game. Dog, I wouldn't. If you can
Speaker 1: block me, you can block me. But I don't think
Speaker 1: you want to change over the life. Let me ask
Speaker 1: your question, Sap. In today's game, it's a lot different
Speaker 1: than when you and I played. They got this thing
Speaker 1: called social media. How would you have handled it? And
Speaker 1: do you believe? Because I think, and I tell people
Speaker 1: all the time, I say, it's more difficult to play now,
Speaker 1: given the set of circumstances that these young athletes have
Speaker 1: to deal with, we didn't have any of that. Dog.
Speaker 1: They have their own personal little cheering section. But it
Speaker 1: also could turn pretty damn nasty too, because you know
Speaker 1: that Twitter is a cesspool. You just gotta be able
Speaker 1: to weed through it with your little boat oil and
Speaker 1: figure out where the clean water and a clean conversation,
Speaker 1: cause boy, it's a whole another animal. But it also
Speaker 1: gives them a chance to really do their branding thing.
Speaker 1: Though that really and we could have did something special
Speaker 1: with that, but none of us would have been married,
Speaker 1: though I don't think I think that. I think the
Speaker 1: biggest thing is is SAP is that it gives each
Speaker 1: individual player his opportunity to show a side of him
Speaker 1: that they don't normally wouldn't yeah you yeah, yeah, But
Speaker 1: I think they take it too far. Antonio Brown took
Speaker 1: it too far U from Pittsburgh and then Jiuju shoot
Speaker 1: it with Hey, how you got these people hyped up
Speaker 1: about the game and I don't know about it? What
Speaker 1: the hell did you put it? At? More up on
Speaker 1: the poet you got the times up and I'm over
Speaker 1: here thinking we got a duck this week because you
Speaker 1: over here tiktoking, what the hell you played? You used
Speaker 1: to be in the the NFC North and that division
Speaker 1: with the Green Bay Packers. You have some historic battles
Speaker 1: with bread, Farr. What made your battles with bread so legendary?
Speaker 1: It was just two country boys gotta get Todday friends
Speaker 1: and come out and play until the sun go down.
Speaker 1: You know how that is? You know you keeping score?
Speaker 1: It's seventy seventy seventy, we got the ball man. It's
Speaker 1: dark out here now, Dog, you got to give us
Speaker 1: one more shot. That's that's that's how it was, Dog.
Speaker 1: That's what it really reminds me of because the talking
Speaker 1: and the back and forth, Panther, it was about what
Speaker 1: was in the program. We were talking about what was
Speaker 1: in the program, how much I waited, all this other stuff,
Speaker 1: and I mean it just was just silly stuff. That
Speaker 1: is that is that what you love most about Bret?
Speaker 1: Because Brett was a talker. He's like, that was a
Speaker 1: good shot, sap he threw a touchdown. I got that
Speaker 1: with it is your turning. He kept it going, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And whenever you got somebody like that, it's just for tat.
Speaker 1: It's almost like that school yard. Let's go, let's go
Speaker 1: for tat, buddy, I'm gonna be right here waiting on
Speaker 1: you when you come back in here. So it was
Speaker 1: just two country boys that just loved the game im
Speaker 1: mensely and just loved to compete though. And he was
Speaker 1: the best. He was the best, three time MVP and
Speaker 1: a world champion right in my own division. And I
Speaker 1: got him twice a year. I'm gonna get real acquainted
Speaker 1: with him. What the lineman reminds you Warren Sapp of
Speaker 1: Warren Sapp today and Rogers, I mean Aaron Donald, Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald and Donald it ain't even funny. But he does
Speaker 1: it in a different way. Yes, yeah, he does it
Speaker 1: so much more finesse. But bo, when he get to
Speaker 1: that quarterback boy, he matched it with it. When he
Speaker 1: get to that quarterback boy, oh boy, I mean he
Speaker 1: bang him fast. Stapp. Let me tell you the first
Speaker 1: time I saw him, the first time I saw Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him and I'm like, I love Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: But now he too little be Aaron Donald. Ain't no
Speaker 1: way that, no way he gonna play detail on that
Speaker 1: side of the size of the dogs that bite. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him. I was like, nah, nah, he too,
Speaker 1: he too, he too, little man, I want to jo
Speaker 1: in the games man the wait. I think the thing
Speaker 1: is skipped our skipped snapped. The thing that he can
Speaker 1: do that you guys can do and the really good
Speaker 1: we can do. They can be in and they can
Speaker 1: turn the corner. See a lot of people they got
Speaker 1: to run that big old art. But but this dude
Speaker 1: can run that tight. He can get pass you and
Speaker 1: then and then being and he's right there on the
Speaker 1: quarterback definitely around that corner, like Tupac said, baby like
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith used to drag knuckles when you talk dt
Speaker 1: that leave Barnville. That's that's an art to be able
Speaker 1: to play with that kind of leverage and too and
Speaker 1: you know this out more times than not, you're getting
Speaker 1: double the center gonna hit you and then he's gonna
Speaker 1: lean you for the guard and I got it on
Speaker 1: ping pong with you think and it ain't trip of
Speaker 1: the points for you either. So you get into the business,
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about football. Now, what was it like
Speaker 1: transitioning and how difficult was it to make the transition,
Speaker 1: because you know, like when you're in the fraternity. To
Speaker 1: be really good, you would have to be really honest.
Speaker 1: Do they playing well? Do they good? So I can't
Speaker 1: just sit there and say he played well? Would he not?
Speaker 1: And you're gonna rub a lot of people the wrong
Speaker 1: a lot of former players and former you know, teammateson
Speaker 1: Piers the wrong way. And you know what I always said, brothers, well,
Speaker 1: I try to fit in when I obviously stand out.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you what the tape said. I
Speaker 1: was one of them dudes who always looked at the tape.
Speaker 1: I want to watch the tape because I watched Michael
Speaker 1: Lover and I watched Marshall. I watched them build those relationships,
Speaker 1: the where they called guys every week and they had
Speaker 1: that conversation. I don't want to hear the lies, because
Speaker 1: you know, the tape ain't gonna lie. I understand a
Speaker 1: gonna lie. After I watch your tape, I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: it out there. And I think I was one of
Speaker 1: those guys that was too honest for the youth. For
Speaker 1: the youth because I put a tape together one time
Speaker 1: for J. J. Watt and I showed him. I said,
Speaker 1: you don't want to put tape out like this dog,
Speaker 1: and I didn't get a reply back after that, so
Speaker 1: I left the lord. I said, I guess I just
Speaker 1: got to do my job and they accept it or
Speaker 1: they don't accept it. But I ain't got to be
Speaker 1: friends with well. See that that's how I am. I
Speaker 1: don't do a whole lot of calls. Now if in
Speaker 1: the off season you want to ask me about the
Speaker 1: critique or what's something that you need to do, but
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna really call you during the season because
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna lie. I don't know. I know
Speaker 1: what I'm listening, I know what I'm looking for. You
Speaker 1: make you make it seem like I've always been in
Speaker 1: the media. You forget I played now, you guys, don't
Speaker 1: lie what I'm looking at that, Scott, I know exactly
Speaker 1: what's going on. Dog, Come on, stop playing. What's been
Speaker 1: the most rewarding part or playing in the National Football
Speaker 1: League and what's been the most rewarding part of your
Speaker 1: post career. Most rewarding part is the ability to take
Speaker 1: care of my family and the people like yourself, your brother,
Speaker 1: and all the great people I met in the game.
Speaker 1: Because there's so many people around the game that you
Speaker 1: get to meet and the doors that it opened up
Speaker 1: for you. Saying for a little country boy that was
Speaker 1: raised on a dirt road that is named after you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, just just the whole experience and
Speaker 1: my post. Just the freedom dog to be able to
Speaker 1: go where I want to go. Go, put my fishing
Speaker 1: pole in a rod, you know, go in a holder,
Speaker 1: sitting around, Go if I wanna go, shit, if I
Speaker 1: want to ship, that's three from dog. Because when you
Speaker 1: pull like we was, you got handed down your jeans,
Speaker 1: you got handed down your car, everything you had with
Speaker 1: somebody else. So right now, I don't eat what I
Speaker 1: want to eat. I go where I want to go,
Speaker 1: and I get that how I want to get that baby,
Speaker 1: Nothing like that, sap. We gotta do a fishing trip.
Speaker 1: We want to take off. You know, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: the most fishing we can do the biggest. What you want,
Speaker 1: what you want lake? You want the lake, or you
Speaker 1: want to go out there with a mine here and
Speaker 1: the tune whatever. You make it even on yourself. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I I make it even on you, because not everybody
Speaker 1: likes to get out when you can't see land. We'll
Speaker 1: see first of all. I already know you can't beat
Speaker 1: me fishing in like a pond or a river setting.
Speaker 1: That's not what you do. I'm gonna come to your backyard.
Speaker 1: I know you like to get out in the water. Stop.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you to the barren money punn. There's
Speaker 1: eight thousands. You ever call a bearren money? There's only
Speaker 1: two places you catch them in Australia or Saint Cloud, Orlando,
Speaker 1: where I'm from. I'm gonna take you there, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna go there. We're going for the biggest though, we're
Speaker 1: going most the most. It's like football, we want the most. Okay,
Speaker 1: well you've done the most catches, don't you you want
Speaker 1: the most touchdown, you the most yards? Say? Let's I
Speaker 1: didn't know this thing. It will be posted, I will
Speaker 1: will be live. I'm I'm I'm gonna streaming. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be gonna find a place for the people to stream.
Speaker 1: We got Instagram. As long as we got no music
Speaker 1: playing that somebody's gonna report. It'll go on. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: us do the thing. Bro. You know I appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming over with it. We talked all the time anyway,
Speaker 1: so I figured our boys will get you on the podcast,
Speaker 1: cause we talk every every we talk talk too much.
Speaker 1: Both of us talk too much. And I got this
Speaker 1: for you. We're gonna do this after super Bowl week
Speaker 1: because for sixty miles from Tampa to Orlando. Okay, we
Speaker 1: were getting done then yeah, and then we're gonna go.
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna go out there and we're gonna catch.
Speaker 1: We're gonna fish for a marling or two. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we got gonna go. We can do the big group
Speaker 1: of if you want to do the big group of No,
Speaker 1: I don't want that because you can't keep it. Man.
Speaker 1: I don't want that life. I don't want that out
Speaker 1: Oh so you so we all gonna catch fish then
Speaker 1: we can eat. Yeah. What ain't you a country one? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I ain't really I ain't really trying to clean.
Speaker 1: Somebody else gonna do all the cleaning, you know what?
Speaker 1: This country club fishing what? Okay, I gonna fake it,
Speaker 1: you know. I ain't no scales, none of that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: none of that. I just do the eat. Baby, I
Speaker 1: told you you're coming on today. Man, Thank you anytime, brother,
Speaker 1: thank you for having holler bro all my life, runding
Speaker 1: All my life. Sa fights custrice one slice, one got
Speaker 1: the bron the dice swad all my life. I've been
Speaker 1: grinding all my life, all my life, and running all
Speaker 1: my life. Sacrifice, hustle bay the price. Want a slice
Speaker 1: that the brawling dice to swap all my life? I've
Speaker 1: been running all my life,