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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Ans. Come to you from a
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Speaker 1: What's up, boys? Hey, Dan, Hey, Mondays with West, a
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Speaker 1: which includes our iconic go Get My Lunch season predictions segment,
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Speaker 1: game to come in Week one. West you listen, it's
Speaker 1: been a fight for us. You have so much going
Speaker 1: on in your life, But how about football back. That's
Speaker 1: a nice thing, even in a heat wave. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like football in September, October, not so much in May
Speaker 1: and June. But yeah, the calendar sets, it's time for football.
Speaker 1: So all of the hype that we've gone through the
Speaker 1: past few months out the window and now we just
Speaker 1: play games and there was less of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was kind of nice. On some it wasn't nice
Speaker 1: the reason why, but the reality that there was a
Speaker 1: little less hype feels like, Okay, just this season's here.
Speaker 1: That's good. So much attention we're about to take me
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Speaker 1: door right now. All right, go go get my lunch
Speaker 1: coming up a little bit later. But first we got
Speaker 1: to get caught up on all of the news, and
Speaker 1: there's lots of it. Let's do it, Ricky, I'll turn
Speaker 1: down in ten good protection here. That will god a day.
Speaker 1: Want to start for blow touchdown? Yes, you want to
Speaker 1: start for Blow touchdown? Detroit? M it's cut down. It
Speaker 1: was cut down weekend in the NFL, and uh, Mark,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it to you right now. Obviously a
Speaker 1: somber moment here. David Blow does not make the team
Speaker 1: in Detroit. A setback for blow Hard Nation, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Well it is a setback. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we all go through chapters in our life that represent
Speaker 1: wins and losses, and I just think that the Blowhards, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I know, I know a lot of these
Speaker 1: people personally. It is a resilient group and David Blow
Speaker 1: is a resilient player and it's not just like, oh
Speaker 1: oh what you know what happened in Detroit is the
Speaker 1: end It is the beginning of of of the rest
Speaker 1: of David Blow's life. And if you think the newsletters
Speaker 1: are gonna stop, no, we're on issue sixty one. It's
Speaker 1: a thirty seven page hand typed letter that I worked
Speaker 1: on over the weekend. I'm sending it out. Um. You
Speaker 1: know that you have the saying they're taking mailboxes away
Speaker 1: all over the place. I see one up my street
Speaker 1: and that's still there. And so these newsletters are getting
Speaker 1: to the blow hards and we you know what, Just
Speaker 1: like Adrian Peterson lashed on somewhere else, I think the
Speaker 1: same is gonna happen in David Blow. When the bullets
Speaker 1: start flying and quarterbacks start going down, it's just the beginning. Well,
Speaker 1: here's a lead for your next newsletter. He's on the
Speaker 1: lions again. Already, he's on the practice squad. So I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got a job, David Blow. It's not over. I
Speaker 1: mean maybe maybe that was the concern that you mentioned.
Speaker 1: You know that, I know the Post Office is concerned
Speaker 1: with like a surge of potential mail in November. The
Speaker 1: Blow newsletter has not helped with that. It's just been
Speaker 1: a lot. It's been a lot for the handle. You're right.
Speaker 1: And the problem is when an update like that occurs.
Speaker 1: You know, and I this is a hand typed letter.
Speaker 1: I've got to go do the thing where you put
Speaker 1: like you could you tape You get a little little
Speaker 1: type written line and put it with a piece of
Speaker 1: tape over you know, the existing newsletter. It's very old school,
Speaker 1: but it's Um, it's for the it's for the real
Speaker 1: type of news junkies out there. You can always find
Speaker 1: a company and steal their mail. Um. Oh wait, you've
Speaker 1: already done that and got in trouble for it. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's be careful with the federal government. Mark. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: not the beginning of the end for David Blow. It's
Speaker 1: the end of the beginning. And it is the beginning
Speaker 1: of the Jeff Davian Clowney era in Nashville. The defensive
Speaker 1: Lindman size on one year, fifteen million dollar contract that
Speaker 1: there's incentives in there. But uh, he signs a deal.
Speaker 1: That's not too bad considering how poorly his free agency
Speaker 1: hunt turned out. Um over the past few months. And yes,
Speaker 1: Clowney to the Titans West, that's something that you would
Speaker 1: connect to the dots on that that always made sense.
Speaker 1: They certainly had the need there when Darrell Casey was
Speaker 1: traded to Denver. What were your thoughts on what Clowney
Speaker 1: could bring to Tennessee. Thank you. I believe I did
Speaker 1: have that all offseason. Clowny to the Titans. There's a
Speaker 1: connection with Mike Vrabel, who used to um be with
Speaker 1: the defensive coaching staff in Houston when Clowney was there,
Speaker 1: so there's some familiarity. They needed addresser's badly in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: We talked last week about how you can't expect the offense,
Speaker 1: even if they have really good players, to be at
Speaker 1: peak efficiency like they were the last two months of
Speaker 1: the season last year. So a lot of their improvement's
Speaker 1: gonna have to come on defense, and they'd eed impact players.
Speaker 1: We can get into um clowney sack totals in a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I think he is an intact player.
Speaker 1: And then there's the other part of the story, Greg,
Speaker 1: which is really where it gets fun from a football
Speaker 1: insider perspective, is that the Saints wanted Clowney badly, but
Speaker 1: the Saints had an issue with their salary cap. They
Speaker 1: couldn't afford what Tennessee was willing to pay, so the
Speaker 1: Saints that will out of work in Ian Rappaport and
Speaker 1: Tom Peli Sera worked together on building out the backstory. Uh,
Speaker 1: do you want to explain it to the audience? Great,
Speaker 1: so I don't have to. Yeah, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I totally understand it either. But basically, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they were they were going to make a trade, uh,
Speaker 1: in which um, now I'm blanking. You know, the mystery team,
Speaker 1: which supposedly was the Browns in the case of the Saints,
Speaker 1: trade was gonna give Clowney a five million dollar signing
Speaker 1: bonus and then trade them over the to the Saints
Speaker 1: for a second round pick. So the Browns pay five
Speaker 1: million dollars, the Saints pay the rest of Clowneys contract,
Speaker 1: which let's say it's a base salary about ten million,
Speaker 1: and then they get in at fifteen million. The Browns
Speaker 1: will have paid five they get a second round pick
Speaker 1: from the Saints, the Saints pay ten there under the
Speaker 1: salary cap. Everyone's happy. It's a two part trade. The
Speaker 1: NFL reportedly did not allow it. They didn't like what
Speaker 1: the look was in it. Uh. Now. Pro Football Talk
Speaker 1: reports there was a whole other set up with the
Speaker 1: Jaguars and where the Jaguars were gonna get the pick,
Speaker 1: and the Ravens were gonna get clowney, so they were
Speaker 1: working this on multiple fronts. I think the Saints one
Speaker 1: got further, at least from the sound of our reporters.
Speaker 1: I en Rapp report Tom Pellicero. I don't really understand
Speaker 1: why the NFL didn't allow it when um, I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's a clear rule against it. And so
Speaker 1: I don't blame the Browns and the Saints if they
Speaker 1: are upset that this did not happen for being upset,
Speaker 1: because I don't think the rules are that clear, and
Speaker 1: maybe they'll make them clear now that you can't do this.
Speaker 1: I mean, other sports do this all the time. Uh.
Speaker 1: And this would have just been like a two part trade.
Speaker 1: I mean the deal a couple of years ago where
Speaker 1: the Browns uh took a second round pick from the
Speaker 1: Texans to take on brock Osweidler's you know salary and
Speaker 1: you can you can song and dance that and say
Speaker 1: that he was actually part of a competition. No one
Speaker 1: really bought it. I mean that was essentially no less
Speaker 1: vague than this would have been. It was two parts.
Speaker 1: This one was two parts, so it was a little
Speaker 1: different in that Clowney would have been traded literally the
Speaker 1: day after he signs with the Browns. You know, he's
Speaker 1: on the roster for one day, and it is different.
Speaker 1: But um, I don't love you know, why why squash creativity?
Speaker 1: Why captain? Well, you could say that in any sport too,
Speaker 1: there are ways to work around it. In in the NFL,
Speaker 1: it's about a slippery slope and making sure that in
Speaker 1: the NFL, the most egalitarian, the most socialist sport, that
Speaker 1: the rich teams aren't able to already open up their
Speaker 1: pocket but and spend way more money. But it's already
Speaker 1: like that. That's I guess that's that's where I have
Speaker 1: a You say it's a sliding scale and that that
Speaker 1: is true West, and I think that's the argument against it.
Speaker 1: But you also look at the way that the revenues
Speaker 1: that teams generate is a huge advantage because teams like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and and Washington or whoever, they they front
Speaker 1: load money all the time where they're operating, Like money
Speaker 1: that they give to teams is way bigger than the
Speaker 1: small market teams. And that's a way that they take
Speaker 1: advantage and they push the cap stuff into the future
Speaker 1: of having more money. Um so it's something like lawyers
Speaker 1: are gonna get involved with I suspects sounds fun, you know,
Speaker 1: and I did. I got. I was being a little
Speaker 1: bit of a Stinky Davis on Twitter last week and
Speaker 1: I mentioned that, you know, simply, Jadamon Connie had three
Speaker 1: sacks last year. Uh. And I know all you nerds
Speaker 1: out there, I understand you real tape dogs West, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about you. Uh. That tell us what a
Speaker 1: huge impact he has. But you're still getting a guy.
Speaker 1: If you think that he makes the Titans better, I agree,
Speaker 1: if you think he's the guy that's gonna put him
Speaker 1: over the top. I don't know if we've seen that
Speaker 1: in his six or seven years in the league to
Speaker 1: be able to make that comment. Biggest week spot though
Speaker 1: for the Titans. That's the thing is he's filling a
Speaker 1: huge week spot. I don't think this move happens unless
Speaker 1: Vic Beasley has a disastrous camp where he shows up late,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been on the field, he's hurt. There's some
Speaker 1: questions about motivation, and now they're getting like another chance
Speaker 1: to get a pass rusher. I fully expected Dan to
Speaker 1: have some fire breathing sack takes. So I had Ricky
Speaker 1: cut this clip from Packers outside linebackers coach Mike Smith. Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened a long time ago. Somebody
Speaker 1: you know it's probably started recording sex or or some
Speaker 1: you know, fans coaches, whoever it may be. UM defined
Speaker 1: a great pass rusher having a great season or effective
Speaker 1: pass rusher office sex. And that's the one that I hate.
Speaker 1: These words stupid. The superest things I've ever seen when
Speaker 1: they're in the game. Are they affecting the quarterback with
Speaker 1: the with the pressures the cause sacks are important. Do't
Speaker 1: get me wrong. People think I don't care about sex.
Speaker 1: They just can't believe that that's the only way to
Speaker 1: be successful, because you're gonna a disappointing room, I think. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess all reasonable minds here can agree that Clowney
Speaker 1: may not have the sack totals that you thought he
Speaker 1: would coming into the league. But Dan, you and I
Speaker 1: and Greg and Mark, we've all sat here on nationally
Speaker 1: televised games and watched him disrupted offense, like single handedly
Speaker 1: taking offense out of what it wants to do and
Speaker 1: regardless of what the sack totals say at the end
Speaker 1: of the year, there aren't that many guys who can
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, Also, he goes to a Titans
Speaker 1: team that they were eleven in d v O A
Speaker 1: against the run last year, and I think the Clowney
Speaker 1: and this isn't this, you know, maybe the sexiest part
Speaker 1: of his game, but it's one of the more ferocious
Speaker 1: run stoppers in the A f C. And I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see what happens when it's Clowney verse Laramie
Speaker 1: Tunsil with Bill O'Brien on the other sideline having a
Speaker 1: deal with the player that he moved out of Houston
Speaker 1: two times a year. But an answer to whoever that
Speaker 1: defensive coaches, who was it again, Mike Smith? The other
Speaker 1: Mike Smith? Yeah, I just I guess my my counter
Speaker 1: that is okay, yeah, that I get that. You know,
Speaker 1: sacks don't tell the whole story. But then why does
Speaker 1: Aaron Donalds have twenty every year and all the great
Speaker 1: guys on the defensive lines not They not only disrupt games,
Speaker 1: they also end up with double digit sacks year after year.
Speaker 1: When I think the answer would be, like Aaron donald
Speaker 1: can be just as good getting ten sacks as he
Speaker 1: does getting twenty sex just based on beating double teams
Speaker 1: and causing destroy But hey, Jenavon Cloudy, give me ten sex.
Speaker 1: That's never happened before. Here's the question, Dan, I think
Speaker 1: Clowney needs to answer. Stupid Mike Smith. I'm sorry as
Speaker 1: he gets sold, there are we gonna see Pete Clowney Because, yeah,
Speaker 1: he took over a game or two last year. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that. I think it was the forty Niners took
Speaker 1: over um. But he's had these injuries that he plays
Speaker 1: through and he's coming up not practicing in camp again,
Speaker 1: which has been a habit for him. He's had slow starts.
Speaker 1: He's a streaky player, and as you get older, you
Speaker 1: do worry about okay or is he gonna be able
Speaker 1: to do it week after week? And that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons he didn't get the big contract he wanted.
Speaker 1: Here what he got a one million dollars a one year,
Speaker 1: twelve million dollar contract. Vick Beasley got one for nine
Speaker 1: point five, Floyd from the Rams got one for ten
Speaker 1: or eleven. That's a massive disappointment for clowning. Clowney got
Speaker 1: one year, fifteen millions million to go back on the
Speaker 1: market reason incentives. I mean that doesn't a lot of
Speaker 1: people have incentives. He got one year twelve million, um.
Speaker 1: It's a little better than Floyd and easily, but it's
Speaker 1: a disappointment for him, and I think it's a good
Speaker 1: value for the Titans. Mcclowney also gave up. There was
Speaker 1: reports that Cleveland offered him eight team million a year,
Speaker 1: and not just for one year, but over two or three.
Speaker 1: So his own business handling is a little suspect this offseason.
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep moving here. Mitchell Trobinsky is the
Speaker 1: Week one starter in Chicago. Adam Schefter was the first
Speaker 1: to report this. We'll see how long that last. Mark
Speaker 1: because Nick Foles is in the building, He's got a
Speaker 1: guaranteed contract. He's Nick Foles. But why do you think
Speaker 1: they chose Trabinsky? Well, I mean, first of all, I
Speaker 1: don't think that we really got a chance to watch
Speaker 1: the only real quarterback battle around take place the way
Speaker 1: that it would have been a normal season, where I
Speaker 1: think preseason games would have been um watched closely and
Speaker 1: maybe really separated these two guys. The reports are the Trabinsky,
Speaker 1: you know, played better in camp than some expected that
Speaker 1: he wasn't a total disaster. The last last year's camp
Speaker 1: was flooded with those reports that Traubinsky was a hot mess.
Speaker 1: So I think that probably that combined with the fact
Speaker 1: that you're general manager and coach Um you know, want
Speaker 1: to probably confirm their own bias that Metell Trobinsky can
Speaker 1: be a starter, and you know, that's fine. My problem
Speaker 1: is is that you're still in a sticky situation with
Speaker 1: Nick Foles behind you, that you traded a fourth round
Speaker 1: compensatory pick and offered twenty one million guaranteed to Um
Speaker 1: who's now on the bench. In the minute that Rabinsky struggles,
Speaker 1: which will be about fifteen minutes into Week one, Like,
Speaker 1: it just creates a very uncomfortable situation for a player
Speaker 1: who I think has probably um, you know, confidence wise,
Speaker 1: has been dealing with more than most young quarterbacks out there.
Speaker 1: I do. I think he's the better quarterback. I don't know.
Speaker 1: My thing is this, like Nick Foles is unreliable in
Speaker 1: terms of probably lasting sixteen games, but he's still sitting
Speaker 1: there and they're going on to see him the minute
Speaker 1: Mitch struggles. I feel like this is kind of a
Speaker 1: non story in a way because it makes sense that
Speaker 1: the Bears would keep Trabinsky as the ardor yeah, they didn't.
Speaker 1: They declined his option. Yeah, they don't believe in him
Speaker 1: the way they They don't think that he's gonna be
Speaker 1: maybe the superstar that they hoped he was gonna be.
Speaker 1: But also, you know what, why not give him one
Speaker 1: last shot here? But on the terms of it's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be the shortest leash you've ever seen as in
Speaker 1: come a week from today, head coach Matt Naggie announced
Speaker 1: that Nick Foles will be starting Week two against the Giants.
Speaker 1: Like that's the type of leash we're working with, and
Speaker 1: I fully expect us, just like I think everyone in
Speaker 1: this room, uh virtual room, feels that Nick Foles is
Speaker 1: probably playing by Halloween at the very latest. They're opening
Speaker 1: against the Bears and the Packers, so they're two big
Speaker 1: division rivals right off the bat. I think their schedule
Speaker 1: of opposing defenses is overall very forgiving, especially after those
Speaker 1: first two games, so that might be a spot where
Speaker 1: Drabinsky can't go oh and two against their two biggest rivals.
Speaker 1: It's not surprising either that falls didn't look great in camp,
Speaker 1: but supposedly neither of them look great in camp, and
Speaker 1: so the Tai went to Drabinsky since he's been there.
Speaker 1: Um Eagles reporters always say full for whatever reason, never
Speaker 1: really let it up and can't be there. He's he's
Speaker 1: lit it up in some games and he hasn't, and
Speaker 1: others like it's it's not that surprising that he didn't
Speaker 1: totally impress. I think we see one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why they signed Fools, and I thought maybe it was
Speaker 1: because of familiarity, but just as much it's about he
Speaker 1: can credit Trabisky concredibly beat Fools in a competition, and
Speaker 1: he can't credibly beat Cam Newton and competitions. Let's talk
Speaker 1: some money matters. The Texans get an important contract. On
Speaker 1: the most important contract, it's Deshaun Watson who signs a
Speaker 1: four year, one hundred and sixty million dollar deal takes
Speaker 1: him through five hundred and eleven million guaranteed. Get that bag,
Speaker 1: and this feels like west a best case scenario for
Speaker 1: all parties. For Deshaun Watson. He gets paid a massive
Speaker 1: amount of money that sets him up for the next
Speaker 1: ten lifetimes and he gets another bite at the apple
Speaker 1: by the time he's third d And then for the
Speaker 1: Texans and Bill O'Brien, you don't have this anvil hanging
Speaker 1: over your head that after the DeAndre Hopkins, uh, the
Speaker 1: righteous anger about that trade, that they could somehow maybe,
Speaker 1: let's hypothetically say, have a really bad season and Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson is unhappy and he's not under contract, and then
Speaker 1: you have a potential mess on your hands. This kind
Speaker 1: of calms things down in Houston, doesn't well. I think
Speaker 1: Watson is one of the biggest no brainer guys to extend.
Speaker 1: I mean, what more do you want out of a
Speaker 1: guy from a face of the franchise perspective? Um? And
Speaker 1: I immediately went back to one of my favorite football articles,
Speaker 1: Who a rad was a I think a two thousand
Speaker 1: fourteen interview with Steve Young in the San Francisco Chronicle,
Speaker 1: and he's just talking about running quarterbacks. UM. Paragraph in
Speaker 1: verse about how most most quarterbacks in the NFL who
Speaker 1: run are dual threat quarterbacks. They can run outside the
Speaker 1: pocket uh and pick up yards with their legs, but
Speaker 1: they can also run outside the pockets pass. He was saying,
Speaker 1: they can change the position forever. Quarterbacks can change the
Speaker 1: position forever when they become triple option. When you can
Speaker 1: bind those first two things with exhausting the play from
Speaker 1: the pocket and staying in there. And I think about
Speaker 1: Cornell greg when you first started, and there was this
Speaker 1: stubbornness about picking up the spin because you can do
Speaker 1: just fine, like you can stay competitive without picking up
Speaker 1: the spin. That's how running quarterbacks are coming into the NFL.
Speaker 1: They tread water. They stay alive by running their way
Speaker 1: out of trouble, and there's no urgency. Peyton Manning has
Speaker 1: to learn to win the play from the pocket, but
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson did not have to learn to. He did
Speaker 1: that of his own volition. And good for him for
Speaker 1: doing that. Putting in the time. I think he is
Speaker 1: a triple threat quarterback. I mean he can almost stay
Speaker 1: there too long. He has a little like me, I
Speaker 1: go with the back spin. You know, it's just it's
Speaker 1: almost like hat he's halfway there, which is a little
Speaker 1: bit like Russell Wilson, who I think is the best
Speaker 1: comparison for Watson, because man, he does stay in the pocket.
Speaker 1: You're right, he wins from the pocket. Sometimes he stays
Speaker 1: back there so long you're like, all right, get rid
Speaker 1: of it. But the reason he can do that is
Speaker 1: because of one of those three options he has, which
Speaker 1: is at the very last minute he can make one
Speaker 1: of those heartbreaking plays that beat the Bills last year,
Speaker 1: where three guys are coming at him and he just
Speaker 1: makes magic. And you're right, he's put it all together.
Speaker 1: I loved watching the emotions from him, um and what
Speaker 1: it means for him and his family and how how
Speaker 1: far he's come and what he's lost. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's not many guys he root for more than him,
Speaker 1: and and it gives Billy b I think a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of security, you know. I
Speaker 1: know he's always gonna be on the hot seat, but
Speaker 1: he was heavily involved in the trade up for Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: And as long as that offense and Deshaun keeps playing
Speaker 1: well under Billy b and there's really no reason to
Speaker 1: think it won't like that's gonna help Billy Be keep
Speaker 1: his job. I'll never forget the first time we really
Speaker 1: saw Deshaun Watson, you know, Thrive for the Texans was
Speaker 1: at West's house and it was a Thursday night game
Speaker 1: against the Bengals, and by the end of that game,
Speaker 1: you know that, you know, we're not big college football guys.
Speaker 1: But at the beginning was like, how is this going
Speaker 1: to work? And by the end you just think of
Speaker 1: all the hideous quarterbacks that Bill O'Brien dealt with with
Speaker 1: the Texans, I mean, just a laundry list of of
Speaker 1: trash bags, and then you knew, right then they have something.
Speaker 1: They have something for a long time going forward, and
Speaker 1: it's not changed since. And then maybe it's good for
Speaker 1: all of us to remember when again all that righteous
Speaker 1: anger and it was deserved. The DeAndre Hopkins trade was terrible,
Speaker 1: but they're their floor in Houston is always gonna be
Speaker 1: higher than people realize it because Deshaun Watson is the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So in December, when we're trying to figure out who's
Speaker 1: gonna win the a f C South, when the Texans
Speaker 1: are in the mix, like I expect them debate, it's
Speaker 1: gonna because of the guy behind center. Other business matters,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen signed a four year extension with the Chargers
Speaker 1: that is worth more than eighty million, per RAP reports.
Speaker 1: So they lock up their number one receiver twenty eight
Speaker 1: years old, and uh, Tyron Taylor is gonna need Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen to keep that offense moving. Also, today, Avious White
Speaker 1: of the cornerback of the Bills gets four year seventy
Speaker 1: million UH fifty five million guaranteed and finally, the most
Speaker 1: underrated player on the Pittsburgh Steelers difference defense, Cam Hayward,
Speaker 1: he gets a four year seventy one This is all
Speaker 1: in the same ballpark. Interesting four year seventy one point
Speaker 1: four million dollar extension through four west the tape dog,
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward. What makes him so special and why does
Speaker 1: he help the Steelers the way he does well? He's
Speaker 1: a good all around and in a three four I
Speaker 1: mean he plays the run, occupies blockers, and gets after
Speaker 1: the passer. And when you do All Pro list every
Speaker 1: year you pencil and Aaron Donald first, and then after
Speaker 1: that there's a group of guys and Cam Hayward is
Speaker 1: always in that group every year for the past three
Speaker 1: or four years. He's in the next group down as
Speaker 1: a guy who's an obvious pro bowler and might just
Speaker 1: be an All Pro as well. Keenan Allen was a
Speaker 1: big contract for him. He's only and he ate still
Speaker 1: somehow he's been so productive you think of him were
Speaker 1: getting hurt a lot, but he's played six in games
Speaker 1: three straight years and that was a big offseason, big camp.
Speaker 1: I think for Talasco so much for the pandemic. Like
Speaker 1: you know, chowderheads like me are like, well, in this
Speaker 1: pandemic and the salary caps going down, next year not
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of big business. You know, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able, You're not gonna see these contracts
Speaker 1: they're gonna roll over the next year. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: there's tons of huge contracts. They're not worried about next year.
Speaker 1: They're getting they're getting people signed, and the charges especially
Speaker 1: getting posted and Keenan Allen signed avoided some some problems
Speaker 1: for next year. If Devil's Advocate, what if all these
Speaker 1: teams are making massive mistakes are going to be right?
Speaker 1: Point is wait, let me finish my point. My point
Speaker 1: being that it gets set at one seventy five and
Speaker 1: then you the market gets flooded next year with all
Speaker 1: these veterans that no one would expect it to be
Speaker 1: on the free agent market. Actually sounds kind of fun.
Speaker 1: Maybe not for them, well that's interesting, but I mean
Speaker 1: for me. You know, there's a lot of bills fans
Speaker 1: saying well, this is what we couldn't do with Stefan
Speaker 1: kill More we have he got away from us and
Speaker 1: that and it shows that with White, that that this
Speaker 1: is a whole different type of deal. And it is
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to see good teams. That was
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott's first draft pick. And it isn't just confirmation
Speaker 1: bias the same way you know with Mitchell Trobiski and
Speaker 1: other guys that you know don't deserve all the third
Speaker 1: and fourth chance. I like the signing here because to me,
Speaker 1: it just shows that this this organization is as stable
Speaker 1: as it's been since the nineties. And and you're gonna
Speaker 1: develop and keep talent, and bad teams don't. Bad teams
Speaker 1: draft poorly and then when they hit on someone they
Speaker 1: can't keep them around. In other news, the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: have added yet another running back to their stable. It's
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson. He made a herd of that guy, No,
Speaker 1: not the defensive back that used to be on the
Speaker 1: Bears that he was running there from Georgia. Southern messed
Speaker 1: up a lot of drafts that brutal time. In fact,
Speaker 1: the most we just like, uh lack of respect for friends.
Speaker 1: My cousin Eric once told me that he accidentally took
Speaker 1: the wrong Adrian Peterson first over all years ago, and
Speaker 1: they didn't let him change it trying to. It's like
Speaker 1: someone who took the Lamar Jackson defensive back on the Jets.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for that Lamar Jackson because everyone like
Speaker 1: makes a joke every time he loses his job. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: calm down, there was a Cam Newton who was a guard.
Speaker 1: I mean, what happens all right? Adrian Peterson signed a
Speaker 1: one year, one million dollar contract with the Lions. Reunites
Speaker 1: Peterson with Darryl Bevel, the offensive coordinator. They both together
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. A lot of guys, uh in that backfield.
Speaker 1: You have, uh carry on Johnson to start a last
Speaker 1: year rookie DeAndre Swift, both Scarborough, and now you have
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson. I only thought on this one, Greg, is
Speaker 1: the bars very low for Peterson. You could even say
Speaker 1: he might just be ahold of fourth guy until these
Speaker 1: other guys got healthy. But we'll see. Maybe he surprises
Speaker 1: us and gets more playing time in Detroit. Well, to
Speaker 1: to West's credit, who's never stopped flying that Peterson flag.
Speaker 1: Peterson ran really well last year. I mean he's not
Speaker 1: a third down guy, but he was a I think
Speaker 1: at least an average, probably better than average, just starting
Speaker 1: running back in terms of his pure running. And you're right,
Speaker 1: Scarborough is going to injured reserve for three or four
Speaker 1: weeks and DeAndre sit Swift is banged up, so that's
Speaker 1: probably part of it. But it won't be surprising to
Speaker 1: me if like we get to December and Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: is taking big carries and meaningful games for Mark Sessler's
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. Well, I mean, if you're Carrie On Johnson,
Speaker 1: if you're carry On Johnson like number one last year
Speaker 1: when he was the dude, like Matt Patricia and no
Speaker 1: one inside the organization talked about Carrie and Johnson as
Speaker 1: the the answer or never healthy you don't like yeah,
Speaker 1: but they also then you go out and draft like
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift and I think that they're just camp did
Speaker 1: not go right for them. They wanted Swift to be
Speaker 1: the dude, and he's he's Mike g said. Mike Garret
Speaker 1: Folo said that, you know, the knee issue that he
Speaker 1: has right now gives sets Adrian Peterson up for a
Speaker 1: really big week one workload, So you know, it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens there. Darryl Bello trust him away.
Speaker 1: Was interesting that the Chiefs wanted to reunite Peterson with
Speaker 1: Eric b Enemy, but they didn't think with the Thursday
Speaker 1: night game there was enough time there to get him
Speaker 1: on the roster and get him ready to play by
Speaker 1: Thursday night. M uh. In other news, Adrian Peterson's former team,
Speaker 1: the Washington Football Team. Guess what Alex Smith is on
Speaker 1: the roster? How about that the veteran quarterback coming off
Speaker 1: seventeen legs surgeries. We'll open the season as a part
Speaker 1: of the quarterback's room in Washington. It is actually you'll
Speaker 1: see this with the final cutdowns that happened all through
Speaker 1: the weekend, more teams are keeping three quarterbacks because of
Speaker 1: pandemic fears. Alex Smith beyond that, had a ton of
Speaker 1: guaranteed money coming his way. But he'll be in there.
Speaker 1: Ale Allen is the backup behind Dwayne Haskins, who was
Speaker 1: officially announced as the starter as expected. Uh so, just
Speaker 1: you know, obviously a great story West. Alex Smith will
Speaker 1: be uh on a roster to start the season. Whether
Speaker 1: he plays or not, we'll see. I thought we see
Speaker 1: every September guys who make the final roster and then
Speaker 1: immediately get caught um or resigned after week one. And
Speaker 1: I always think at the time, you know, we make
Speaker 1: too big of a deal about the final roster. But
Speaker 1: I think there's a ritual to it in football circles.
Speaker 1: And for Alex Smith what he's been through, credit alone
Speaker 1: just for making this roster. I mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: care what he goes on to do the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. Just the ritual nature of making surviving cuts
Speaker 1: in football, that's a big thing. And and he did it.
Speaker 1: Um My hats off to him. I know, when you're
Speaker 1: going through something awful like this, um, working hard and
Speaker 1: keeping your mind active keeps you young and keeps your
Speaker 1: mind off of other things. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: lot of what drives him. I mean, and think of
Speaker 1: the value he brings. Just you know, you're telling me
Speaker 1: that they're not like a better quarterback room with him there.
Speaker 1: I mean, having him there is gonna make should make
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen, Dwayne hasking, but it should make a lot
Speaker 1: of people better. I mean, just to to have that
Speaker 1: sort of example. And who knows, it would be fun
Speaker 1: if he I guess if he plays. If it gets
Speaker 1: that point, I mean, you're a little anxious about it
Speaker 1: or I am. But but if not, what was said
Speaker 1: is absolutely true. It's an amazing way. If this is
Speaker 1: how his career ends, it's kind of an amazing way
Speaker 1: that he did it on his own terms. And on
Speaker 1: the subject of veteran quarterbacks that can help teams in
Speaker 1: different ways, the Eagles signed Josh McCown to their practice squad,
Speaker 1: the oldest practice squad player in the history of the
Speaker 1: NFL at forty one years old. Again, this would not
Speaker 1: have happened if it weren't a pandemic year. They had to, uh.
Speaker 1: They jumped up the practice squad this year from ten
Speaker 1: to sixteen players, and McCaw and McCown will live in Texas,
Speaker 1: join the team in virtual meetings, and then serve as
Speaker 1: the emergency quarterback if something bad happens. How about that
Speaker 1: Mark a platy something bros out there have a reason
Speaker 1: to celebrate. I love it and I still I still
Speaker 1: believe strongly that he will start a game this year
Speaker 1: and have to be you know, shipped in from Texas.
Speaker 1: That would be good. He's making twelve k a week,
Speaker 1: so the new practice squad, you're making twelve thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a week. He's just showing up to zoom. He's still
Speaker 1: like coaching his kids in football. It's a pretty good
Speaker 1: deal to be able to swing the little passive income there.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be nice for all you old guys born
Speaker 1: in the seventies to have another seventies guys still hanging around.
Speaker 1: It's so nice. God. I remember when I first moved
Speaker 1: back in l A and um, Josh McCown was coaching
Speaker 1: high school football way back and now he's not even
Speaker 1: retired yet. He hadn't even been your making the lead
Speaker 1: candidate yet. What a weird career, uh. In other news,
Speaker 1: speaking of weird career, Josh Rosen is on the street.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and eighteen, he was the tenth overall
Speaker 1: pick in the NFL Draft by the Arizona Cardinals. They
Speaker 1: traded him after one year to the Miami Dolphins. And
Speaker 1: this I kind of forgot about this part, Greg that
Speaker 1: the Dolphins gave up a second round pick and a
Speaker 1: fifth rounder to get Josh Rosen. They give him three starts,
Speaker 1: he makes about a hundred past attempts, and then they
Speaker 1: say we're done with him too. So at some point,
Speaker 1: you know, I know, everyone seems to be. Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: woe is Josh And you know he he's never had
Speaker 1: a chance. But I don't know, he probably could have flashed,
Speaker 1: probably had an opportunity last year to keep himself in
Speaker 1: the mix in Miami, and it even if it was
Speaker 1: a small sample size, it was a chance. And now
Speaker 1: he's on the street. Well, the Dolphins told you what
Speaker 1: they think of him. I mean they have they think
Speaker 1: he has no value they had. They think he has
Speaker 1: no future potential to be to his backup, or there's
Speaker 1: other reasons why they just feel more comfortable with him
Speaker 1: not there anyways, obviously you want the roster spot. Um,
Speaker 1: but he still was under contract for a couple more years.
Speaker 1: As you said, they sunk that draft pick, and Dolphins
Speaker 1: fans will come at yet. Well, they had moved down
Speaker 1: in the second round before they did it. And you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't think it was a bad trade.
Speaker 1: I think it was worth taking a swing. I always
Speaker 1: say that keep taking swings at quarterback until you get one,
Speaker 1: and if you're gonna miss it doesn't matter, it's worth it.
Speaker 1: They're they're gonna miss plenty of these draft picks that
Speaker 1: they made, and they apparently missed on rosen Um. But
Speaker 1: it's pretty it's pretty telling that they think he has
Speaker 1: that little value that they don't even want to keep
Speaker 1: him on their fifty three man roster. He supposedly had
Speaker 1: some active offers, but he's joining the bucks um where
Speaker 1: Byron Leftwitch is who really stuck up for him after
Speaker 1: their year in Arizona together. And so that to me
Speaker 1: is it's not about Tom Brady, It's about the relationship
Speaker 1: I think between Byron Leftwich the coordinator there, and Josh Rosen,
Speaker 1: and Rosen really seen that situation as if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be saved, it's by this guy as a coach, and
Speaker 1: obviously Bruce Arians too. I'm with Dan on this snobby
Speaker 1: because you look at like someone like Steve Kim, who
Speaker 1: was you know, Q rating, you know, not high for
Speaker 1: Steve Kim back when he even took Josh Rose. He's
Speaker 1: had some he had some issues off the field himself,
Speaker 1: but he was convinced by you know QB guru Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury too eat the l on the Josh Rosen draft pick,
Speaker 1: move him and then draft an entirely different quarterback. Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury didn't believe in Josh Rosen Steve Kim was willing
Speaker 1: to go there. Now a second front office and coaching
Speaker 1: staff feel the same way at some point, And it's
Speaker 1: easy to feel bad for the circumstances been in, but
Speaker 1: at some point Josh Rosen, a top ten pick at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, is going to have to prove to
Speaker 1: someone that he has what it takes to survive in
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's unprecedented. I mean, if he doesn't, it's
Speaker 1: it's unprecedented. There have been no top ten quarterback, really
Speaker 1: no first round quarterbacks with with this happened that happened
Speaker 1: to them in their first years just is just never
Speaker 1: ever happened. Speaking of weird stuff, West, how about this one.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins acquire running act Lynn Bowden and a sixth
Speaker 1: round pick from the Raiders in exchange for a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick. Okay, so two things here. Number One, the
Speaker 1: um Raiders get back a draft pick that they had
Speaker 1: already sent to the team. And also, Lynn Bowden is
Speaker 1: a rookie. He got traded before his rookie season a
Speaker 1: third round pick. I mean that is pick eight. It's
Speaker 1: like one of those weird compensatory where it's like one
Speaker 1: oh two or something like. Now, it's like pick eight.
Speaker 1: All we ever hear, all we ever hear if you
Speaker 1: read read people leading up to a draft is oh,
Speaker 1: everybody touched out the first round, but the second and
Speaker 1: third round that's where true champions are built. Well, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And over there in Vegas, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: so they had him at running back, but Miami is
Speaker 1: gonna make him a wide receiver, which I think they
Speaker 1: view to be, you know, where the more upside is.
Speaker 1: And you know, the Athletic reported that bout in Uh
Speaker 1: did not have a good camp and that they there
Speaker 1: was this line from our friend Vic Tafer. I believe,
Speaker 1: I still don't know how we're saying that name, but
Speaker 1: Vic Tafer said that some inside the building thought he
Speaker 1: was more concerned with picking up new cars than a playbook. So, yes,
Speaker 1: it's a loss for the Raiders. The Raiders like basically
Speaker 1: were saying, we don't want certain types of players in
Speaker 1: our building necessarily. And so you got value back to
Speaker 1: some degree. Yeah, that was a project picked to begin with.
Speaker 1: When you're taking a guy who played quarterback and you
Speaker 1: assume you can just switch is enough talent where you
Speaker 1: can just put him at running back a receiver? They
Speaker 1: had him at running back, like Mark said, and Vic
Speaker 1: Tafer wasn't the only one who said he had a
Speaker 1: bad camp. Just about everyone who Well, yeah, the trade said, so,
Speaker 1: I mean they done them. I also don't want to hear, well,
Speaker 1: they got something back. Okay, you didn't get a pick back,
Speaker 1: you got a pick swap. You got a day three
Speaker 1: pick swap from round four to six. You didn't get
Speaker 1: an extra player. You're moving up sixties spots on the
Speaker 1: on the third day of the draft. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: when they've got you know, people in the interviewing fans
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the street and not even
Speaker 1: paying attention to the picks. I mean, honestly, and we went.
Speaker 1: Everyone likes Mike Mayock and he was a nice guy
Speaker 1: when he worked with us. But if the Browns did this,
Speaker 1: if the Jets did this, it would have been laughing
Speaker 1: stock type stuff. And it's it's just it's not a
Speaker 1: great look. And yeah, maybe he's interested in cars this
Speaker 1: summer in quarantine or whatever. I don't even know how
Speaker 1: they would know so much about that, But like, you know,
Speaker 1: you have an entire pre draft process to find out
Speaker 1: if the guy is a knucklehead. Apparently that they didn't.
Speaker 1: If that's indeed the case, they did a bad job
Speaker 1: on that front. To Gruden, gives up on mistakes and
Speaker 1: changes his mind emotionally very quickly. That happened all the
Speaker 1: time in Tampa. And they signed two veterans this offseason
Speaker 1: to Marius Randall and Mukamura, one of whom got big
Speaker 1: money guaranteed salary. They both didn't even make the team.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the Patriots are like that too. They'll
Speaker 1: give up on guys quickly when they decide this guy
Speaker 1: is not for me. I make a statement, no reverse
Speaker 1: gears in this tank. Dan wants to put Bill Belich
Speaker 1: into Davian Clowney into a car that's just gonna careen
Speaker 1: off a cliff. I mean, when you're done with people,
Speaker 1: you are done with them. You know what an actor?
Speaker 1: I mean? Did you remember that old p s A Mark?
Speaker 1: I learned it from watching you. I think it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I learned it from watching you, dad, where the dad's like,
Speaker 1: why did my son start smoking at sixteen? While he
Speaker 1: has like his fifth cigarette in his mouth. Alright, two
Speaker 1: quick transaction things before we get to the sandwich props.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, Uh, there's a report out there that he's
Speaker 1: been reinstated. He hasn't played since two thousand and eighteen,
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys now have them have him in the building.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna play right away. There's an
Speaker 1: acclamation period. Apparently he'll miss at least six games, and
Speaker 1: the Giants are going to release cornerback DeAndre Baker there
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen first round pick. Overall. Of course, he's
Speaker 1: caught up in a very uh ugly legal situation involving
Speaker 1: a robbery with a firearm. If he's convicted, it's a
Speaker 1: minimum mandatory minimum sentence of ten years. And when you
Speaker 1: factor in his legal issues and the fact that he
Speaker 1: was even caught up in this, the Giants are washing
Speaker 1: their hands of Baker. That's what's happening in the news,
Speaker 1: all right, it's time. Oh oh, ricky, oh, you know what.
Speaker 1: The people the people that fake misopenia, misoponia, it is
Speaker 1: not it is notts How is it fake? It's phony.
Speaker 1: You don't experience it, so it doesn't exist to you.
Speaker 1: You tell me what we're listening to right now is
Speaker 1: not hideous? That is hideous to the ears. And just
Speaker 1: throw a clinical name onto something and then it's it's fine,
Speaker 1: Like if people are people are pathological, then that's that's
Speaker 1: excusable behavior. But honestly, Mark miso phony. Uh, it's right
Speaker 1: there on the tile. You don't have to buy it.
Speaker 1: You could have come up with a better name. UM.
Speaker 1: But I will say that, like one of my happiest
Speaker 1: um aspects to you know, working remotely is that I
Speaker 1: do not have to sit in that newsroom and I
Speaker 1: can hear someone from four like rows of cubes away eating,
Speaker 1: So I know I stopped. I stopped like bringing yogurts
Speaker 1: to work after I realized it was getting on getting
Speaker 1: on Mark Trader. It's ironic, though, Mark, that on on
Speaker 1: Friday on our broadcast, UM, that you are the one
Speaker 1: that had, you know, one of the most troubling coughs
Speaker 1: into which I think we learned what you had eaten
Speaker 1: for the last four time days and everyone on the
Speaker 1: on the call and the on the show was listening to.
Speaker 1: It was so bad that I like thought about it
Speaker 1: for hours after and I sent a text apologize, and
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking of all the people behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: whose text like whose numbers I don't have, and how
Speaker 1: much they I What I had done was just just
Speaker 1: I'm not some barbarian. I knew I had been the
Speaker 1: cost that day. I hit the mute button, didn't muted,
Speaker 1: but I had been muted, and un muted myself and
Speaker 1: then let out this hideous, disgusting sounding let me call,
Speaker 1: and then muted myself afterwards. What a disaster. I thought
Speaker 1: about it all weekend. Why would you think about it
Speaker 1: all weekend? Why don't think about the whole thing? Different
Speaker 1: you talk about like in your right west it is
Speaker 1: probably pathological to have musophonia, But I have like many
Speaker 1: pathogens or whatever you wanna call it, other than others
Speaker 1: do not. It's not a great thing. It's one of
Speaker 1: the things. And you know, thinking about the cough all
Speaker 1: weekend is not something that you would do. You'd be
Speaker 1: over written about four minutes. You love to make this
Speaker 1: gross sound effect in general. So I felt embarrassed. It
Speaker 1: was not a good look. It was just like, it's like, how,
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry I brought it a month. We are
Speaker 1: down a dark wormhole here, all right? So here we
Speaker 1: go go get my lunch. It is a game we
Speaker 1: love to play. We track it with the help of
Speaker 1: the great Nick Fourtier, who for years now his run
Speaker 1: his own website dedicated to this particular segment, Go get
Speaker 1: my Lunch dot org, and it has everything every prop
Speaker 1: proposition we've ever made on this show, Uh, in terms
Speaker 1: of predictions, sandwich props, uh, and what does it? What
Speaker 1: does it mean? The sandwich props? It's not something we
Speaker 1: really pay out now we have an excuse not to
Speaker 1: do because there's a global pandemic. But each of us
Speaker 1: makes a prediction and then you can either choose to
Speaker 1: agree with the prediction or say no, Go get my
Speaker 1: lunch and sandwiches are on the line hypothetically. And I'll
Speaker 1: just give you guys a couple of quick notes before
Speaker 1: we get the predictions rolling all time standings again all
Speaker 1: this Thank you, Nick fourtier, Greg first place, you've gotten
Speaker 1: fifty two point five percent of your predictions slash reactions correct.
Speaker 1: Dan behind at fifty two, West at fifty point eight,
Speaker 1: Mark at forty eight. But in Mark's defense, he does
Speaker 1: have the all time sandwich prop prediction with the uh,
Speaker 1: Nick Foles play was it? What was it? Again? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot to pick from, but that
Speaker 1: would be one of them. Got credit The Baker Mayfaker
Speaker 1: Mayfield is gonna take over in week three in lead
Speaker 1: a comeback or sometimes that that was insane. And in
Speaker 1: Mark's defense also is like these records are now over
Speaker 1: like six or seven years, so it's he had a
Speaker 1: first bad three years, so it was three years behind
Speaker 1: climb that Hill's right, you were kind of a you
Speaker 1: were a franchise that is like taken down to the
Speaker 1: studs and you were in a deep rebuild and now
Speaker 1: you're on the way up and finally on those records.
Speaker 1: At some point I'll get into that. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: into that website and see what's up with that coding
Speaker 1: and makes some changes, screwub it. And finally, as we
Speaker 1: always do before we make our official predictions, there are
Speaker 1: a few of the pop up uh leading up to
Speaker 1: this time of year, and Nick again tracks all this
Speaker 1: stuff for so for instance, Mark, you um challenged us.
Speaker 1: You said, Matthew Stafford is not on the Lions Week
Speaker 1: one roster, Dan, Greg and west All took you on that,
Speaker 1: so you are already down three sandwiches. Well about that
Speaker 1: for a while, I like to go for it and
Speaker 1: swing for the fences, and I pay for um. That's
Speaker 1: that's one of your Lions about face this offseason, which
Speaker 1: has been interesting. It was you were very hot on
Speaker 1: that Stafford thing early and now you've come to the
Speaker 1: other place where Stafford and the Lions are ready to
Speaker 1: do something special. I also had Rob Gronkowski plays in
Speaker 1: the Sandwiches on that, so I'll owe me one good
Speaker 1: job good I'm off to three and oh start Now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give some back though, because I also said
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell is not on the Jets in West.
Speaker 1: You didn't take me up on that, but Greg and
Speaker 1: Mark did, so I'm three and two to start the season. Now.
Speaker 1: I still think Leban Bell might not make it to
Speaker 1: the end of but he's here to start the season,
Speaker 1: so I take the l on that one. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: get it going, Mark. Since you're always a wild card
Speaker 1: in this game, why don't you start us off? I will,
Speaker 1: And this is something that, um, I don't think I
Speaker 1: ever would have one more thing, Ricky. You have time
Speaker 1: to prep as his tradition, the producer gives us one
Speaker 1: prop as well, so I'm ready a great all right,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Mark. I don't think I would have made
Speaker 1: this prediction a month ago because it would have seemed,
Speaker 1: um it was too shaky. But here it is no
Speaker 1: games will be canceled in it's always something Well I
Speaker 1: think that's it's it's we've never had a football season
Speaker 1: where that seems more possible. Um, and you know, the
Speaker 1: future is a total mystery. But I'm going with no
Speaker 1: game is canceled. I know. But now now you've flipped
Speaker 1: it from like you're rooting for something terrible to happen
Speaker 1: to like making us have to root for something terrible
Speaker 1: to happen if we take on this completely realistic beat,
Speaker 1: I mean a realistic prop that it's you could see
Speaker 1: it going either way. But I don't want to root
Speaker 1: for that, So I'm not taking that on. It's like
Speaker 1: what I don't want to be pumping my humping my
Speaker 1: fist when a bunch of people get COVID. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go from that angle. But okay,
Speaker 1: we think, uh postponed versus canceled? Oh what were the
Speaker 1: word was postponed? Or my feeling was the spirit of
Speaker 1: it was that nothing would even be delayed so off
Speaker 1: of an original. So so I'm not gonna like I'll
Speaker 1: you know, and I know that people go back and
Speaker 1: listen to these recordings and type everything we say down,
Speaker 1: But I I'm saying no delays, no cancelations. Well, even
Speaker 1: if a game, even if a game was scheduled Sunday
Speaker 1: and then they had a scare or somebody so they
Speaker 1: pushed it to Tuesday at ford Field instead at a
Speaker 1: neutral field, that would count to you as the season
Speaker 1: being postponed on some level. Well, I don't like what
Speaker 1: I've just done here, but uh no, I'm going with
Speaker 1: clean slate across the board. So I could be a
Speaker 1: hurricane too. We've seen that with some hurricane. Like, can
Speaker 1: we make it Corona related? Not like alright, Corona related?
Speaker 1: Root for Corona the weather related, election related. There's so
Speaker 1: many different ways to cancel sporting events these days. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not taking you up on it, Mark,
Speaker 1: because i just want everything to be okay, and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm going to root for. Well that's fine, that's
Speaker 1: just that feels fine to me. West. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're not taking this because no
Speaker 1: matter what I think, it has no bearing on the
Speaker 1: outcome the market. Mark is a huge fan of, like,
Speaker 1: you know, climate change. She's just like you know, like
Speaker 1: er such wonderful human beings. Not to engage in the
Speaker 1: sandwich prop. I mean you know, okay, you know a yes,
Speaker 1: I've always kind of of you as something of a shaman. Uh.
Speaker 1: You put energy out into the universe, whether you realize
Speaker 1: it or not. I'm not putting that energy out there.
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, it's like one rain dropping a million
Speaker 1: the way you're talking about energy. Just what happened the
Speaker 1: last six months and what I think about the football
Speaker 1: season and a canceled game just means nothing. Rest. If
Speaker 1: you win this, I'm gonna I'm gonna shotgun of sandwich
Speaker 1: you over to your house by a Grubhub. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. The courage that it took to take me
Speaker 1: up on that bed. I see it from over here
Speaker 1: in this house. All right, Mark, you're up, I mean okay, um,
Speaker 1: let's do a quick one to get us going, you know,
Speaker 1: like a like a palette cleanser. Are insinuating that Mark
Speaker 1: did not get us. I want to you know, I
Speaker 1: tend to go on a little bit. I'm looking at this. Uh.
Speaker 1: These bottom two boxes were taping this on video to
Speaker 1: in addition to the pocket and it used to be
Speaker 1: the kissing cousin corner Mark and West but now they're
Speaker 1: more like the uh, the JH. Allen jabronies. That's what
Speaker 1: that's what they are always defending Josh Allen. And so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do with Josh Allen one and say, Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater winds up with more yards this season, and you
Speaker 1: can include rushing to give a little edge there to
Speaker 1: Josh Um, then Teddy Bridgewater has more yards than Josh
Speaker 1: Allen by the end of the season, air yards per
Speaker 1: tempt or because it doesn't matter per a tempt, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter per AEMP rushing and passing. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you a rushing I'm gonna let you count rushing where
Speaker 1: obviously that that helps Allen out a little bit. Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater guy. You guys have mocked and derided on this
Speaker 1: podcast um for for months. Really well, you know versus
Speaker 1: your guy, I'm not I might not take you up.
Speaker 1: And I guess I just don't want to put the
Speaker 1: energy out into the skies, Like how how will Josh
Speaker 1: You know, I'll take you up on it in a second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take you up on it in a second too.
Speaker 1: I like that, And I've got my own Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: you're also involved. I just you are. You have been
Speaker 1: made making a lot of jokes about Teddy too. I
Speaker 1: guess they should have involved the year as well. I'm
Speaker 1: in Josh Allen. Yeah, Josh Allen will have more passing
Speaker 1: and rushing yards for sure. So I'll take you on it.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like this one. You're going down
Speaker 1: with that Teddy ship and yeah, I'm going to alright West.
Speaker 1: Do you wanna do you wanna uh dovetail and give
Speaker 1: us a little more Josh Allen fund I do. Indeed.
Speaker 1: One of Greg's little corporate mandated assignments last year was
Speaker 1: uh an article like an m v P index by December,
Speaker 1: writing each week who's in the top ten in the
Speaker 1: m v P race. Here's the problem. Greg's reviled Josh
Speaker 1: Allen finishes higher then Greg's beloved Cam Newton and Tom
Speaker 1: Brady in the final year in m v P index.
Speaker 1: Huh wait, but what if? What if none of them
Speaker 1: ever make it? Which feels like the most Well, then
Speaker 1: lose because I'm counting on josh on being on there.
Speaker 1: To be fair, I think it. You know, the one
Speaker 1: I did is only a top five, so that is
Speaker 1: that is being one of the best players in the
Speaker 1: league and maybe I could extend it to West uh
Speaker 1: to ten just for uh twice the works for this
Speaker 1: like that. Don't even put any comments, just thing that
Speaker 1: would make it more fun. I'd have to go check.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember this thing, um, but I'll take
Speaker 1: you up on it regardless because I do not I
Speaker 1: have I clearly do not see him being involved in
Speaker 1: the m v P discussion. If he's in the top
Speaker 1: ten of the m v P discussion, I've got some
Speaker 1: meg on my face, that's for sure. I don't know.
Speaker 1: With with Greg and gambling, the you know it's already murky,
Speaker 1: and now you're gonna add in him having control on
Speaker 1: this of this on some level, like I don't know
Speaker 1: if I want to be involved with this. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stay out of this one. I'm out, all right, Yeah
Speaker 1: you know what? Like that's that's very sensible that that
Speaker 1: Greg is not gonna want to lose that and so
Speaker 1: he's if someone else is the author, maybe, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hang away from this because this is how you're
Speaker 1: not this is how you're in fourth place market. He's
Speaker 1: given you a sandwichist for free. I'll all you need
Speaker 1: is Josh Allen to not be an m v peak
Speaker 1: and hey, hey, let's make the top twenty like quarterbacks
Speaker 1: or TBR first. So I think he's gonna be sensational.
Speaker 1: So I also just don't believe it with my heart.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think West is right. Part of
Speaker 1: part of the reason for this was for Greg's integrity
Speaker 1: to be a topic on the show. I'll put him,
Speaker 1: I'll put him in there. If he does all right,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. I'll take it. Good angle into we're
Speaker 1: all because I was sometimes this game confused me. I
Speaker 1: thought if Josh Allen was not a top ten m
Speaker 1: VP candidate, I would lose, but that would mean I
Speaker 1: would win as well. So like multiple things have to
Speaker 1: go right for West to nail this right, right right,
Speaker 1: I should have kept my mouth shut actually and giving
Speaker 1: you guys easy sandwiches or Greg when when Matt Barkley
Speaker 1: is starting in week fifteen, I'm just kidding, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm taking a different tax this year because what happens
Speaker 1: with go get my lunch, the same thing happens every year.
Speaker 1: It's so hard to get any of your predictions right,
Speaker 1: and then the way you stay afloat is by cashing
Speaker 1: in on other people's failed predictions. So like, I've now
Speaker 1: reached a point where I'm no longer trying to like
Speaker 1: figure out, oh this is gonna trap them, because this
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. It's impossible to know. So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna do is pick the things that I want to
Speaker 1: see happen, and maybe again all that mark, all that
Speaker 1: positive energy just shooting out of the body. I love
Speaker 1: the strategy. It was my tastom hill touchdown one from
Speaker 1: a year ago. It was fun to root for something
Speaker 1: good to happen. So how about this, despite all evidence
Speaker 1: to the contrary over the last couple of years that
Speaker 1: he's still this guy? How about Aaron Rodgers is an
Speaker 1: all pro. I'll take you on that. I would. I
Speaker 1: would love to see it, and and we'll give you
Speaker 1: store second team. We'll give you a second team. I
Speaker 1: was gonna clarify that is a high honor just to
Speaker 1: be second team, so that that would count um and
Speaker 1: even a tie on for the second team, which sometimes
Speaker 1: I am really banking hard on the obviously nebulous Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. You know, special player who has been you know,
Speaker 1: slighted by his team and has something in the tag
Speaker 1: and something to prove angle And I know I'm going
Speaker 1: to lose the sandwich prop because there's so many great
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league union at the top. It's so
Speaker 1: it's it's so hard to become an All Pro, even
Speaker 1: if you have a great year. But why not? Why
Speaker 1: why not Rogers at a motivation level never he's never
Speaker 1: had at a crossroads in his career, he puts together
Speaker 1: something to like really put the Packers in a difficult
Speaker 1: spot where if he has a monster year this year
Speaker 1: and then they have Jordan's love on the second year
Speaker 1: of his rookie contract, which is golden today's gold currency
Speaker 1: in today's NFL, that puts him in a really hard spot.
Speaker 1: I think Roger is gonna do it, and that's why
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say effort, He's an All Pro. I love it.
Speaker 1: It would be a fun league to watch if Rogers
Speaker 1: get to that. My on emotional side is definitely taking
Speaker 1: you on. I will take you on it, but I
Speaker 1: like where you're going with it, and I see it
Speaker 1: as a possibility. I will say I'd love to see it,
Speaker 1: but I think Rogers has too much baggage at this point.
Speaker 1: I can't go through four months without ruining it in
Speaker 1: some way and hitting a slump. Yeah, well you're probably
Speaker 1: right about that, but we'll see. All right, let's go through.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go three props each, so Mark get us
Speaker 1: going round two? All right, our friend Daniel Jeremiah, Um,
Speaker 1: we'll leave NFL Network not in disgrace, but with much
Speaker 1: praise after the season becoming the general manager of an
Speaker 1: NFL team and never responding to any of our text
Speaker 1: messages ever. Again. Wait so if if he gets the job,
Speaker 1: but he does keep responding to texts, well not just
Speaker 1: a little that's a little labor on the end, because
Speaker 1: not saying this is where because you have these great predictions,
Speaker 1: but you add these flavors and then when they don't happen,
Speaker 1: you don't count them. How about this he becomes a
Speaker 1: general manager and the spirit of him kind of like
Speaker 1: ditching us a little bit will be in will be
Speaker 1: present now, will you know? Will he send us a
Speaker 1: text message? Maybe? But like, are we still going to
Speaker 1: be pouning around with Daniel Jeremiah? He will largely ghost us.
Speaker 1: We need a date on this, how about but you
Speaker 1: know before we tape the Super Bowl? Uh, go get
Speaker 1: my lunch props because you know, this is getting this
Speaker 1: is getting murky that you're going so deep into January
Speaker 1: to be really late, that would be like after Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So I'm fine with it being Super Bowl Super the
Speaker 1: end of Super Bowl. Uh you know even the prediction yea,
Speaker 1: even the week before the props should pay off before
Speaker 1: we do the Super Bowl show. It's already annoying me
Speaker 1: that we know when we do the little recap right
Speaker 1: after the season, we're gonna have to wait for this one. Um.
Speaker 1: But DJ has gotten offers in the past and he
Speaker 1: hasn't taken it because it's good to be DJ. He's
Speaker 1: got a lot of children, he's in San Diego, very
Speaker 1: stable job. I mean it could be you know, it's
Speaker 1: not easy, but it could be more taxing. I think
Speaker 1: being a GM is a lot more taxing. So I
Speaker 1: don't think he wants to leave this. Here's my thought
Speaker 1: on it. I can totally see him one day going
Speaker 1: back into the league in that role, but jumping straight
Speaker 1: to the GM, even with his scouting experience. I could
Speaker 1: see his buddy Joe Douglass hiring him as like a
Speaker 1: right hand man for a year or two and then
Speaker 1: maybe him leveraging that down the road to be a GM.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take you not because I don't think
Speaker 1: Daniel could leave, because that could happen, but because that
Speaker 1: jump seems pretty big. So I will take you on that. Well,
Speaker 1: it feels like a Mike Mayauki and jump to me.
Speaker 1: And I think that people out there might think that
Speaker 1: Daniel doesn't It doesn't, but it represents It's also the Raiders,
Speaker 1: and the Raiders are It's that was a very Raiders move,
Speaker 1: which I didn't. I don't mean that's good or bad,
Speaker 1: but like a Raiders team does that. That's too many
Speaker 1: teams would have done that, it would be a little different.
Speaker 1: I just want to commend Greg and Dan on their
Speaker 1: analysis of this, just unpacking the permutations of this, of
Speaker 1: this prop I mean, with without six or seven years
Speaker 1: worth of experience, I don't know we could get to
Speaker 1: this level of analysis, but you guys nailed it, and
Speaker 1: I agree totally. I think that at some point in
Speaker 1: DJ's life this will this will become a realistic option.
Speaker 1: But I agree that because of the ages of himself
Speaker 1: and his children. Right now, I don't think he leaves
Speaker 1: for a GM job, and he is the oft hyphen
Speaker 1: coaxed duel Jeremiah. I mean this is an annual thing
Speaker 1: for him where they try to poach him from NFL network.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's ever been offered the GM job,
Speaker 1: so maybe that would be different. But but I would
Speaker 1: take you up on it. I agree with the analysis
Speaker 1: put forth by my esteem colleagues. A right, well, he
Speaker 1: got to get to that. He's got to get to
Speaker 1: that second. It's the the sec can peak. When the
Speaker 1: kids go to college. Then you then you soar again
Speaker 1: that's this time, or you pay for their college by
Speaker 1: doing this. You know college is not cheap. All right, Um, Greg,
Speaker 1: you're up next. All right. You know I feel like
Speaker 1: l A gets a bad rap. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: the pandemic. It's and or people are just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know the traffic or oh it's like I want
Speaker 1: to go back to my real home where there's seasons
Speaker 1: and stuff. Oh, l A. You know, it's like phony
Speaker 1: people like, hey, how about love the one you're with?
Speaker 1: I love Los Angeles. This pandemic, it's brought me closer
Speaker 1: to it. Oh this hard knocks. We're gonna put the
Speaker 1: two chargers in this pandemic. Yeah, that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying. I love I do love l A.
Speaker 1: The bar. I've lived here, and uh, people thought this
Speaker 1: Chargers Rams was gonna be a snooze on hard knocks,
Speaker 1: and you know what, it's been interesting. These teams have
Speaker 1: come through and I think they're gonna keep coming through.
Speaker 1: So how about a little hometown spirit here both the
Speaker 1: Rams and the Chargers at the playoffs this year? And um,
Speaker 1: you know, my daughter Elis, who's a Rams fan, will
Speaker 1: will certainly be happy with that. It's a very on brand.
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. Most l A teams make it.
Speaker 1: Remember seven teams make the playoffs in each conference this year,
Speaker 1: so that's gonna help a team like the Charges and
Speaker 1: the Rams. Frankly, is what to me appear to be
Speaker 1: fringe playoff teams. You might get one, you won't get both.
Speaker 1: So I will take you up on it. It feels
Speaker 1: like there are more fringe teams than ever this year.
Speaker 1: I think that's working against Greg and I'm not buying
Speaker 1: the Chargers quite yet as a playoff team. Um, don't
Speaker 1: trust the quarterback. It's that simple. So I will take
Speaker 1: you up on it. It's like I hate. I hate
Speaker 1: this weather, and you know, all the different cultures and
Speaker 1: the great food. You want to say, I want to
Speaker 1: I want to go back home to winter. People I don't.
Speaker 1: I find that most of the people that don't like
Speaker 1: l A are people that actually have ever lived here.
Speaker 1: And then it's there's a little bit of there's also
Speaker 1: a little bit of jealousy cooked in because they know
Speaker 1: how nice it is here a hundred and twenty degrees
Speaker 1: yesterday notwithstanding. But I always thought that, as someone who's
Speaker 1: now lived in l A for like twelve years, I
Speaker 1: get why people try to hate on l A. But
Speaker 1: the people I actually live here tend to fall for
Speaker 1: it in the same place. And a little piece of
Speaker 1: my soul dies every day. You know, Yes, I do
Speaker 1: feel like you have more more love for l A
Speaker 1: than you did the first couple of months, when I
Speaker 1: would drag you down to Irish times and you would,
Speaker 1: uh make it very clean. The first few years were
Speaker 1: full fear and loathing of l A. And now it's
Speaker 1: more just like my old acceptance that my soul is
Speaker 1: slowly dreaming and now and not in in a few
Speaker 1: more years, you'll just you'll be because here's the thing,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have these these beautiful memories with Lincoln, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna think, like, you know, that's that's my home,
Speaker 1: my family's my home. This is this is meso Phonia
Speaker 1: from West because I do remember the transition was difficult.
Speaker 1: And then I remembered him saying on numerous occasions right
Speaker 1: around the time when he was falling in love with Lakisha,
Speaker 1: how much he was joining in l A. And he
Speaker 1: feels like he found a home. And now you've you've
Speaker 1: kind of you're ebbing and flowing. It seems well. I
Speaker 1: think my number one issue with l A is stomping
Speaker 1: on people like there's no real family here. People moved
Speaker 1: from their families and other parts of the country come here,
Speaker 1: put themselves first, and then stomp on everyone. Measure themselves
Speaker 1: against everyone by the power dynamic and every relationship, and
Speaker 1: are suspicious of everything that does not involve a hund
Speaker 1: that's selfish interests. I mean that author next star, really,
Speaker 1: let's be giving you guys the business lately. That's just
Speaker 1: how I feel about la I don't know how he
Speaker 1: got the show back after that, but we're gonna keep
Speaker 1: going here. Um, all right, who's up? Is it. Who
Speaker 1: just went It's west, go ahead? But bynyway? What Greg?
Speaker 1: I will take you on that. I think the Rams
Speaker 1: are a playoff team, but I don't think the charges
Speaker 1: are good. All right, Scary Terry McLaurin, DJ Chark one
Speaker 1: of the two. We'll finish in the top five and
Speaker 1: Fantasy points at wide receiver who I'm gonna take it regardless,
Speaker 1: But just for housekeeping, is this points per reception scoring
Speaker 1: or not? No? We go by standard Fantasy points. Reception
Speaker 1: is an outrage. Don't give these guys points for catching
Speaker 1: a ball? Okay, reasonable minds disagree. I think I would
Speaker 1: be in but not reasonable But okay, but I'll thank
Speaker 1: you either way. Here's the backwards pass for five yards.
Speaker 1: Give him a point. It was really hard to catch
Speaker 1: that bubble screen behind the screen would be amazing. But Terry,
Speaker 1: Scary Terry is the guy I think I could lose
Speaker 1: this on that he could do it. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take you on the fundamental flaw with the prop here
Speaker 1: and why I'll be taking it is there are so
Speaker 1: many awesome quarterbacks in the league that are paired with
Speaker 1: great wide receivers. This is a Gardner Minshew, Dwayne Haskins
Speaker 1: wager as well on some level, and I just like
Speaker 1: many other tandems out there to put up those numbers.
Speaker 1: So I will take you. I'll take it West, But
Speaker 1: I I think that we're being a DJ Shark feels
Speaker 1: like he could do it. I think the Jaguars are
Speaker 1: gonna be playing from behind week after week. Minshew if competent,
Speaker 1: and I believe in Minshew is going to heat. They
Speaker 1: connected right away Last year DJ Shark and Minshew had
Speaker 1: big plays right out of the gates starting Week one.
Speaker 1: So I think I think there's gonna be big totals
Speaker 1: and a big fantasy year on a terrible team. The
Speaker 1: quarterback point is valid, damn. But there's a flip side
Speaker 1: to that. When you're easily the number one threatening offense
Speaker 1: and there are no real Number two is number three's
Speaker 1: and number four, you're getting funneled targets. Pretty heaven that's
Speaker 1: true too for sure. Um all right, I'm up. Like
Speaker 1: I said, things I want to have happened, and I
Speaker 1: know it's not likely. But the Jets enter Week seventeen
Speaker 1: with a mathematical path to the playoffs, Well i'll take
Speaker 1: you on that. Um, there there are seven teams making it,
Speaker 1: which is certainly playing into my Rams and Chargers pick
Speaker 1: Rams would have made it last year. In fact, if
Speaker 1: there was a seven team and and the a f
Speaker 1: C East could be so bad that seven and eight
Speaker 1: has a chance going into weeks seventeen, So you could
Speaker 1: back door it that way or anyway you want. But
Speaker 1: I still personally see the Jets as one of the
Speaker 1: worst teams in the league and feel like the Bears.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Bills have a pretty high floor. Um
Speaker 1: and uh, and that's gonna hurt I will dan, I
Speaker 1: will take it. I like the optimism, and I really
Speaker 1: like it for Greg Williams to finally get a head
Speaker 1: coaching job off of like a four game win streak.
Speaker 1: Is the interim head coach so uh, you know arrow up.
Speaker 1: Um Yeah. I think that there's every case to make
Speaker 1: that the Jets are gonna go for and twelve, including
Speaker 1: Adam Gates being so bad at this that there's some
Speaker 1: type of total meltdown by week eight. But just like
Speaker 1: to try to spin it optimistically. If the defense is okay,
Speaker 1: and as much as people are including myself, has said
Speaker 1: that like Sam Donald is not getting a chance this year,
Speaker 1: the offensive line is getting very good grades uh for
Speaker 1: people covering the team that this could work and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a much better unit. And then while no
Speaker 1: one is going to confuse the Jets with a great
Speaker 1: uh group of playmakers, it's not terrible. I mean, Levyan Bell,
Speaker 1: Bochard Perriman, Denzel Mims, Jamison Crowd or Christopher Herndon. There
Speaker 1: are some pieces there. So then it becomes for me like,
Speaker 1: do you believe Sam Donald can get better and make
Speaker 1: the leap? And by this time next year people will
Speaker 1: be like, oh no, he's the wuter back of the Jets,
Speaker 1: And I sincerely hope and also believe it. So this
Speaker 1: is a Sam Donald wager for me more than anything else,
Speaker 1: that he keeps them interesting and in the mix because
Speaker 1: he will get better. We'll see if it actually plays
Speaker 1: out that way. Probably won't, all right, I'll take you
Speaker 1: up on that. I think more chance of the gates
Speaker 1: meltdown happening. Yeah, alright, one more round, let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: hit a quick mark. All right now. I want to
Speaker 1: remind you that in a very weird there were reports
Speaker 1: that bubbled up um months ago that got basically didn't
Speaker 1: even make headline stacks released footage of Navy naval officers
Speaker 1: UM multiple occasions encountering UFOs with no idea what they were.
Speaker 1: You can go find these, There's actual transcripts all of it,
Speaker 1: and I in another year would have been big news.
Speaker 1: It would have been a discussion point, and there's more
Speaker 1: stuff to come with it. I think that we are
Speaker 1: going to get UM some very surprising yet crystal clear
Speaker 1: evidence uh during before this football season ends, that you know,
Speaker 1: to go a step further, that the government will be
Speaker 1: forced to acknowledge UM interaction with life beyond earth. And
Speaker 1: my prop is this that there will be a moment
Speaker 1: um where Bill Belichick is forced to answer at least
Speaker 1: one question in a press conference about his view on
Speaker 1: this and what it means. UM. I'm gonna go with one,
Speaker 1: but I think there will be follow up questions too,
Speaker 1: until Bill finally, you know, spills the beings on how
Speaker 1: he feels about this. I don't know, this just sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: but I mean that would have been risky to go
Speaker 1: with the follow up. But you're playing so this this
Speaker 1: is based on the fact that this stuff is, these
Speaker 1: news reports are already out there, and so I think
Speaker 1: something more declarative, more crystal clear will bubble up and
Speaker 1: coaches will be asked. But I'm picking Bill Belishick specifically. Well,
Speaker 1: so for like making it no because it was gonna
Speaker 1: be nebulous again and cause issues. But once you it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter like how how much we we need to
Speaker 1: buy into it or whether it counts as something that's
Speaker 1: crystal clear. As long as Belichick is asked about it.
Speaker 1: You don't yourselves no no, no, can't be mean if
Speaker 1: you don't have to believe in the theories or the
Speaker 1: evidence yourself. Just that Bill Belichick must be asked about it.
Speaker 1: I would imagine he doesn't believe it either. Here, I
Speaker 1: just don't want you can't ask it either, right, I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear Mark because if if the following
Speaker 1: circumstance happens, are outgoing hopefully President Um you know, admits
Speaker 1: some contact with the aliens, but no one ever asked
Speaker 1: Belichick about it, you lose the prop and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't start tweeting about it and saying like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was close enough. Now that's what it usually happens.
Speaker 1: But no, you got you need the questions. I I listen,
Speaker 1: I've tried to make these less long and stuff and
Speaker 1: more you know clear, and this is Bill Belichick needs
Speaker 1: to be asked. And no, Danna will not be me asking.
Speaker 1: That would be pathetic. If I had to get to
Speaker 1: somehow to get the Fox bro to ask the question
Speaker 1: and signed into the have to go to Fox on it.
Speaker 1: It will not be me asking. I'll take you up
Speaker 1: on it. I mean, yeah, for sure, it feels more
Speaker 1: possible than ever, but I still will take take you
Speaker 1: up on it. I feel like think because um, we
Speaker 1: have an administration that has shown an active interest in
Speaker 1: this sort of content going back to before they were
Speaker 1: an administration, and it's kind of into it. So at
Speaker 1: least that you know that that feels more possible than
Speaker 1: in any other previous administration. Well, I think most years
Speaker 1: that I've been at NFL Network, Bill Belichick has been answered,
Speaker 1: has been asked more questions on their coaches because of
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Week and media Night. And I don't think
Speaker 1: he's getting that this year. I don't think he's getting
Speaker 1: the question about UFOs either. All right, so we all
Speaker 1: take you up on it. Mark, Greg. Let me see
Speaker 1: you got a couple of this is supposed to be
Speaker 1: the onion hanging around really although you've taken off, You've
Speaker 1: taken both of mine completely. But I'll go for the
Speaker 1: more interesting one because the other one's fantasy, and you
Speaker 1: know that's marks corner. Now. I I will just say
Speaker 1: the defending uh NFC champions and number one overall pick
Speaker 1: I mean overall seed in the NFC a year ago.
Speaker 1: The forty Niners do not make the playoffs. You have
Speaker 1: been you have been hinting and and poking at the
Speaker 1: Niners for about three or four weeks on the show.
Speaker 1: You've been hiding what's obviously a feeling from you that
Speaker 1: your way down on them, but you haven't really come
Speaker 1: out and say it. You finally do that, they dive
Speaker 1: bomb out of postseason contention with an extra playoffs scene
Speaker 1: in the mix too. I gotta take you up on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, I don't feel all that hot
Speaker 1: about it. Of course I see the other route, um,
Speaker 1: but I think it's more likely than people would give it.
Speaker 1: Credit to a very deep NFC, a very good division, um,
Speaker 1: and I could see things going sideways. It's a good one.
Speaker 1: This one could go either way. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stay out. Wow, I'm taking you Wow. It's gonna cost
Speaker 1: that's gonna cost you a sandwich. West, So we're at
Speaker 1: that great Santa Monica, tell you that uh loves so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, every every day a different forty nine or
Speaker 1: go down with an injury. Right, that's a bad luck.
Speaker 1: That's a bad luck. It is about all right, West,
Speaker 1: all right, here's my onion hanger. Neither Drew Brees nor
Speaker 1: Tom Brady finishes the season as QB one. Wait, what's both?
Speaker 1: It could be by injury, could be by benching one
Speaker 1: or the other. Neither one finishes the season atop the
Speaker 1: depth chart as the daring quarterback. That's like four over
Speaker 1: forty onion hanging hangers. I don't know a lot of onions.
Speaker 1: I West, that's great, that's legit onion, and I'll take
Speaker 1: you on it. I will too, because they've been two
Speaker 1: of the most remarkably durable quarterbacks in the history of
Speaker 1: the league. As well. What happened if you put Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning out there right now, sooner or later, the body
Speaker 1: maybe would have to get hurt. I mean, I can't imagine,
Speaker 1: no matter how bad he plays them, putting in Blaine
Speaker 1: Gather for him, because if getting benched, what if the
Speaker 1: Bucks are like six and ten or you know, five
Speaker 1: and ten and week I could see like a crazy
Speaker 1: scenario where the Saints season went horrible and look, I
Speaker 1: have them in the super Bowl. So I don't believe this,
Speaker 1: but that they're five and five and Sean Payton calls
Speaker 1: on old Jamis in the bullpen. But that would be
Speaker 1: a wild timeline to be living. Um, alright, so do
Speaker 1: we all take yes? We all take all? Right? Finally,
Speaker 1: I have Kai for Bath, currently unemployed, hits a game
Speaker 1: winning field goal in the final minute of regulation or
Speaker 1: overtime at some point this season. Not only does he
Speaker 1: find his way back to a roster he should be
Speaker 1: on a roster right now. The Cowboys did him dirty
Speaker 1: on a number of levels. Uh, he will also find
Speaker 1: himself in a big spot and most importantly, execute in
Speaker 1: the biggest of all spots late in a game when
Speaker 1: the team needs him. I am taking you on this scene.
Speaker 1: I think that you tell you, guys, give me a
Speaker 1: game tying field goal to or does it have to
Speaker 1: be a game winner? No game winner? What about extra
Speaker 1: points to be field goal? I couldn't do that. I
Speaker 1: couldn't gotta go for it with game winner. Then then
Speaker 1: when you win when you do win this stend like
Speaker 1: it's gonna look have a kicker right now. They have
Speaker 1: two on their practice squad, none on their active roster.
Speaker 1: They did have that week with Kai last year, didn't they?
Speaker 1: They can give him has been around, he's been around
Speaker 1: the block. But Kai gets signed. Kai wins the game,
Speaker 1: doesn't have to win the game, Sarah, who puts a
Speaker 1: team ahead in the final minute or overtime. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be fun. That would be fun. Now. I do
Speaker 1: want him back in the league just to see, just
Speaker 1: like to be tracking this development in the final minutes
Speaker 1: of two teams that are way out of contention in
Speaker 1: December own red zone Kai for Beth red zone. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, before we say goodbye Ricky Hollywood. As per tradition, Erica,
Speaker 1: we always have a producer that makes a prediction, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's such a great tradition. Because Sydney, we missed Sydney.
Speaker 1: I hope everything's going well with her. She had some
Speaker 1: great predictions back in the she was so great at it.
Speaker 1: What do you remember from them? There was there was
Speaker 1: one of about Ezekiel. Who was it? You're right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like Erica didn't think we remember one, but we did
Speaker 1: multi i think a league leading sacks season and it
Speaker 1: was such a great conversation that we really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: And now it's time for you, Ricky to make your
Speaker 1: own prop. Well, thanks for that, you guys. Um. After
Speaker 1: rushing four hundred sixty two times for one thousand, nine
Speaker 1: forty yards and twelve touchdowns during his two years with Washington, right,
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson is now with the Lions. But the Lions
Speaker 1: have carry on Johnson, they have the rookie DeAndre Swift
Speaker 1: who was a little banged up, but it could not
Speaker 1: be as bad as as we think, and even you
Speaker 1: know Bostcarborough. So here's my depth chart order. So Swift
Speaker 1: is going to be first, then Johnson than Peterson. Okay,
Speaker 1: all that being said, Adrian Peterson will still have more
Speaker 1: than five hundred rushing yards this season. Hmm, Look, she
Speaker 1: did her homework. The depth chart though, has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with it. No, that was more just a little
Speaker 1: much like a lot of Barborough. I think he's on
Speaker 1: the injured reserve right now. But um, five yards, that
Speaker 1: feels like a perfect over under one, Ricky. If you're
Speaker 1: in the desert where you would you would get about
Speaker 1: equal equal pick equal action on both sides, but intriguing.
Speaker 1: I'll take you up on it because it just feels unsporting. Um,
Speaker 1: I think this is your first one on is it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't remember last wronk didn't I
Speaker 1: say that, Well, we we had to be last year.
Speaker 1: Documented it doesn't happen, I'll take you you have. You
Speaker 1: got a good chance I think to either like win
Speaker 1: this by a lot or he's not on the team
Speaker 1: in week four one one or the other. Yeah, Mark,
Speaker 1: I'll take you to I. I think it's this is
Speaker 1: a great prop and he could get he could help
Speaker 1: you out early on. I think he's gonna see a
Speaker 1: lot of work on Sunday. And if they like him
Speaker 1: and Derek Bevill, Darryl Bevil knows him very well, and uh,
Speaker 1: if he brings consistency to the Lions, you might get
Speaker 1: close to that number. So I'll take it. But I
Speaker 1: think you did a good job all day. Stays in
Speaker 1: the picture every time people write him off and said, oh,
Speaker 1: he has no path to playing time Now Darius Guys
Speaker 1: isn't around getting hurt all the time anymore. But I
Speaker 1: still think he does. I think he comes close, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you up on it in the spirit
Speaker 1: of the game, Ricky and just we have somebody that
Speaker 1: documents all this stuff. This is your second ever wager
Speaker 1: back in Ricky, you um said that Julian Edelman after
Speaker 1: he tours a c l U in a preseason game,
Speaker 1: you said he'd come back and play that season, And
Speaker 1: you got that wrong. You were at one at that point,
Speaker 1: working your way up the depth chart. Um, the producer
Speaker 1: depth chart at NFL dot com. Multiple starters. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that. It's a tradition that you have your producer.
Speaker 1: You don't give a sandwich prop every year. And this
Speaker 1: is my second one. I think you're on VACA. I
Speaker 1: think you you took the weekend off. I believe I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think. Okay, let me let me for the record,
Speaker 1: I'm taking that one too. Okay, maybe you guys, maybe
Speaker 1: you guys will go with this one. Julian Edelman had
Speaker 1: six touchdowns and twenty nineteen with Tom Brady. Okay, and um,
Speaker 1: what year was Cam Newton getting all that m v
Speaker 1: P buzz? Okay, Edelman had seven touchdowns. Okay, God works
Speaker 1: in mysterious ways. Boys. This year, Edelman will have eight
Speaker 1: touchdowns with Cam Newton boom eight or at least at
Speaker 1: least eight. Yeah, he's only he's had six the past
Speaker 1: two years. Yeah, you've put me in a tough spot
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't like going with stuff I
Speaker 1: want to root against, even even if it's mathematically makes sense.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to take you on this. I
Speaker 1: want to see them flourish. I want to see it
Speaker 1: the twelve. Yeah, this is easy for the exact opsite
Speaker 1: reason Gregg just stated, I am taking you on this.
Speaker 1: He's gonna flame out, just like the rest of the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I'll take you on it. I'll take it. I think
Speaker 1: it'll be funny if he gets seven and then Cam
Speaker 1: Newton just rushes for the next touch. All right, there
Speaker 1: you go, Ricky, You're now on the books for multiple sandwiches.
Speaker 1: And yes again, go get my lunch dot org to
Speaker 1: track all of this, and we will, like we always do,
Speaker 1: God willing, the couple of days before the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: will revisit this and see how we all did. Here's
Speaker 1: a little prediction for you. We're all gonna be terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of optimism. Uh, and another reminder coming up
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. In addition, to UH sorry, schedules different now,
Speaker 1: So Thursday is the next time of this podcast will
Speaker 1: show up because it will be the UH two shows
Speaker 1: on Thursday, the preview of week one, and then late
Speaker 1: Thursday night early Friday morning you'll get our recap of
Speaker 1: Texans Chiefs. But all so Wednesday will be live on YouTube,
Speaker 1: Q and A and t NF preview. So again, check
Speaker 1: out Instagram and our Twitter handles for a link if
Speaker 1: you need one, but it's on the NFL homepage. Anything else, people,
Speaker 1: that s fun, fun show. All right? This Dan Hands
Speaker 1: signing off for Quiet Storm. The Mailman, not the old Man,
Speaker 1: the Mailman, the old Boss. I'm the old man now
Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood from West Hollywood. Till Wednesday. I almost was
Speaker 1: gonna say, um, next free agency period, I will be
Speaker 1: out of the country again. I got the same here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my two week vacation during free agency
Speaker 1: spe