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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Jerry's here too, sitting in for Dave, of course,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this short stuff.

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Speaker 2: Big. Thanks to Medium, Nprstrongtowns dot Org, the list in

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Speaker 1: I'll bet, I'll bet I can guess the Strongtowns dot

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Speaker 1: Org section. I want to read part of it. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: So Chuck, we're talking today about Spirit Halloween, not the

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Speaker 1: spirit of Halloween, as Jerry likes to say, just spirit Halloween, right,

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Speaker 1: And if you live outside of the United States, you

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Speaker 1: might not know what that is. As far as I know,

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Speaker 1: they're not out of North America yet, but just give

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Speaker 1: it some time as Halloween spread, so too, we'll spirit Halloween.

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Speaker 1: Spirit Halloween in the US is well known for being

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Speaker 1: essentially a giant Halloween pop up store that sprout up

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Speaker 1: old big box stores that are no longer in use,

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Speaker 1: strip malls, anywhere they can set up shop with about

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Speaker 1: seven to ten thousand square feet and start selling a

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Speaker 2: That's right. They have more than I think, more than

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred. I also sell fourteen hundred, so somewhere in

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Speaker 2: that range of stores, again only seasonal locations, and it

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Speaker 2: has become a meme that's kind of fun around Halloween,

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Speaker 2: whenever there's an abandoned thing or anything that would be

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Speaker 2: funny to put a Spirit Halloween banner across. One of

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Speaker 2: the most fun ones I saw was when like the

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Speaker 2: US government shuts down because they can't agree on a

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Speaker 2: funding bill, there will be like a Spirit Halloween banner

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Speaker 2: memed over the White House, that kind of thing, because

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Speaker 2: that's what they do. I looked up today just for funsies.

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Speaker 2: Atlanta the Metro Atlanta area has twenty one Spirit Halloweens

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Speaker 1: Maybe someday we'll get to that twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I mean some just within miles of one another. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but this is not the most unusual thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: There's a long tradition of pop ups and seasonal pop

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Speaker 2: ups here in North America, certainly around Christmas time, with

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Speaker 1: So this is the part that I'm guessing where Strongtowns

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Speaker 1: about discussing how great pop up stores are for local communities.

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Speaker 1: Quote, I'd like to read because I think it's awesome. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty to like and appreciate about a temporary shop

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Speaker 1: that provides an opportunity for entrepreneurs to sell their wares

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Speaker 1: and activates an empty space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was definitely from Strong down Stuff for.

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Speaker 1: So back to Spirit Halloween, because yes, there's other seasonal

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Speaker 1: pop up stores, but this is the seasonal pop up

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Speaker 1: store we're talking about. It was founded about forty years

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Speaker 1: and he didn't start out selling halloween stuff, So he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the store was called Just Spirit Women's Discount Apparel.

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Speaker 2: It was a little wordy. As the story goes, he

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Speaker 1: Look at this dress with the shoulder pads. You could

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Speaker 2: It's almost the costume in itself. And he was like,

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Speaker 2: Eventually that like, that's where the seat is planned. Eventually

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Speaker 2: in storage. October is approaching fast, and I'm gonna sell

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Speaker 1: So yes, he has the best October he's ever had.

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Speaker 2: I didn't invent temporary sales, but I feel like I

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that, because what is permanent Halloween?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Halloween had been like a twelve month out of

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Speaker 2: I guess. So, So that one that's just sort of

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Speaker 1: So I say, we take a break and we'll come

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Speaker 1: back and talk about how the thing grew from that one,

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Speaker 1: that one empty store, to say, fifteen hundred locations, twenty

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Speaker 3: Stuff, you should know, stop, you should I should know.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So Joe Marber is crushing it. Over the

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Speaker 2: next fifteen years, he grows to about sixty pop ups.

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Speaker 2: This is roughly ninety seven ninety eight or so, and

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Speaker 2: the name of the store is officially Spirit Halloween by

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Speaker 2: that point. It changed along the way, and he said,

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Speaker 2: you know, one of the big keys to his growth

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Speaker 2: The other key is to expand beyond just costumes, so

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Speaker 2: you can get like anything Halloween in there. Decorations are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want a plastic battle axe to use for

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Speaker 1: your LARPing during the rest of the year, you go

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Speaker 1: to Spirit Halloween here in the United States, that's right,

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Speaker 2: Better do it between August and November.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy that they even open in early August,

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Speaker 1: So it turns out that Joe Marv doesn't own Spirit

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Speaker 1: problem now, and he sold it to Spencer's Gifts, which

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Speaker 1: but somehow it doesn't electrocute you. Like all of that

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Speaker 1: stuff was in Spencer's Gifts. It was the place to

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Speaker 2: Oh you bet, especially if you're a young Baptist kid,

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Speaker 2: because you could you could be like, hey, mom, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to go here to look at posters, and you

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Speaker 2: know the posters were probably women in bikinis on a Lamborghini.

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Speaker 2: That was also the for boating section. Remember that one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like legit ones, not just like Gag Gift, like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could if you were in the wrong part

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Speaker 2: Could not find out how much, but it had to

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Speaker 2: which was about two hundred and fifty million back then,

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Speaker 2: came from Spirit Halloween. I guarantee you it's way way

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So just to kind of get back

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Speaker 2: like forget training all those employees. There's a pretty fun

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'll bet keeping things stocked is like sacrosanct

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Speaker 1: what she's got up her sleeves this year. Probably something

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Speaker 2: I gotcha nice.

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Speaker 1: So there's one other thing we should talk about from

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Speaker 1: Spirit Halloween that you dug up is they are really

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Speaker 1: into charity for children's hospitals, and it's pretty awesome what

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Speaker 1: they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they partnered. I mean essentially, what they're trying to

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Speaker 2: do is bring, you know, not the spirit of Christmas

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Speaker 2: to children's hospitals, but the spirit of Halloween to make

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Speaker 2: hospitals less scary in an ironic twist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. It's called Spirit of Children. You can

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Speaker 1: donate online to it, you can donate in the store.

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Speaker 1: You can donate as little as a dollar and they'll

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Speaker 1: say thank you. But they not just Halloween. So around Halloween,

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Speaker 1: these about one hundred and fifty children's hospitals get care

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Speaker 1: packages with costumes and decorations and all that stuff. Because

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Speaker 1: think about it, when you're a little kid, you're sick

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Speaker 1: in the hospital, missing Halloween. Yeah, that sucks on top

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Speaker 1: of having to be in the hospital in the first place. Course,

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Speaker 1: but for the rest of the year. They support programs,

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Speaker 1: they pay for equipment, like they cover these children's hospitals,

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Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool. It's a really great program. I

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Speaker 1: had no idea about it. But if you go to

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Speaker 1: Spirit Halloween this year, maybe drop a buck in their

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Speaker 1: Spirit of Children collection thing or go online and donate.

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Speaker 1: But the great thing about it is one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: of those donations go to this program.

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Speaker 2: That's right. And we've been singing the praises of this

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Speaker 2: fun store. I hope it's not exposed to some awful

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Speaker 2: thing because it seems to be what it is, which

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Speaker 2: is just a pretty successful fun store supporting a fun holiday.

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Speaker 1: And I hope they're not advertising on the podcast right now,

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Speaker 1: because if so, it's a coincidence. Everybody we weren't paid to.

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Speaker 2: Do getting me they totally should. We should tell sales

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Speaker 2: about this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then Chuck brought this on. It's okay. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we have anything else about Spirit Halloween, right, Nope?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well then short stuff is out.

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