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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's do it live on a Monday edition of

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Speaker 2: Clee the Browns Daily. Merely Bo the Great z the

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Speaker 2: Howe will join here for the last ninety of the

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Speaker 2: program as we do it live on what is obviously

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Speaker 2: a very very disappointing Monday edition to flee the Browns Daily.

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Speaker 2: I guess I think we should start here, My friend,

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Speaker 2: how do we want to judge this team?

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to answer that. Do you mean harshly?

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Speaker 3: Do you mean well?

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Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, rational, You go into a

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Speaker 2: season and and you say, okay, I'm judging this team

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Speaker 2: against the very best in the National Football League. Are

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Speaker 2: you judging this team as a playoff contender? Are we

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Speaker 2: judging this team as a winner of the AFC North?

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Speaker 2: Are you judging this team as one that can be

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Speaker 2: a team of consequence in the postseason? My answer, my question,

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Speaker 2: my hunches is probably one of those four or five

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Speaker 2: kind of ideals is how we're judging them.

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Speaker 4: This is a team that should be in the playoffs period,

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Speaker 4: full stop.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I agree with you short of the super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: best team in the league situation at all, we just

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Speaker 2: have not shown.

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Speaker 5: That at all.

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Speaker 3: We did show that.

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Speaker 4: We showed that against in the way that we performed

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Speaker 4: against the Tennessee Titans, because if you think about the

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Speaker 4: Titans have beaten on the other ends of that, the Chargers, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: who are people thinking as a playoff team, and then

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Speaker 4: stomped the Bengals Theans.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, problems.

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Speaker 4: But what we did to a team that was put

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Speaker 4: twenty seven points up in those other two games and

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Speaker 4: held them to three. That showed a level of dominance.

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Speaker 4: And then our offense was dominant against them. So I

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Speaker 4: felt I feel like when we play like that, we

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Speaker 4: have that kind of a ceiling. Now did we get

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Speaker 4: a chance to even evaluate that.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: I think if today's show was twenty eight three and

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Speaker 4: Shaun Watson played yesterday and was healthy, yeah, that's this

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Speaker 4: is a completely different show. And then I think there

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Speaker 4: are real concerns. You're two and two, should you be

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Speaker 4: three and one? Absolutely? But the season is you have

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Speaker 4: not lost the season in this opening stanza. You have

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Speaker 4: not capitalized on this opening stanza as you could have,

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Speaker 4: and you have thirteen games left to become a team

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Speaker 4: of consequence. And quite frankly, the teams that are playing

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Speaker 4: the best through September sometimes they go on to win.

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Speaker 4: I saw a thing from dva the Football Outsiders that

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Speaker 4: the number one team in DVOA after Week four has

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Speaker 4: not won the Super Bowl in six straight years. It's

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Speaker 4: about being good late. There are a lot of opportunities

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Speaker 4: for that. Yesterday was just devastating in the sense that

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Speaker 4: we went into it all thinking Deshaun Watson was going

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Speaker 4: to play. We'll hear from head coach Coms Fancy he

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Speaker 4: thought he was going to play as well, and that

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Speaker 4: you had a chance to beat this Ravens team. And

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Speaker 4: then when he did not play, and it became apparent

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Speaker 4: pretty quickly we were not going to have a chance

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Speaker 4: to beat this Ravens team with dtr at quarterback. And

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Speaker 4: that's no knock on him. Fifth round rookie. It's a

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Speaker 4: different speed man. This isn't the Pac twelve, it's not

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Speaker 4: the preseason, it's not the preseason. It is a very

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Speaker 4: very different situation. And we learned that in a harsh way,

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Speaker 4: and it kind of compounded with you, this is the

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Speaker 4: We really hadn't had one of those who've been great.

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Speaker 4: So no, you want to judge this team as a

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Speaker 4: playoff team. Now, that team that we put out there

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Speaker 4: was not the team that would go to the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: And I think yesterday was a day that you felt

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Speaker 4: the low loss of Nick Chubb substantially because in the

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Speaker 4: try to squeeze the football, turn this into a Nick

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Speaker 4: was tough. It was tough to watch. It was brutal

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Speaker 3: Is it is enough?

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Speaker 4: It's enough to win this game. But Lamar played very well,

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Speaker 4: looked like the guy who was, you know, the MVP

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Speaker 4: four of their touchdowns were either by his feet or

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Speaker 4: his arm. It was tough. It was tough. It was

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Speaker 4: a tough game. I do want to point out though,

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Speaker 4: one positive, and Chris Rose was adamant that I share

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Speaker 3: We won time of possession yesterday. Oh there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's that's critical.

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Speaker 4: So we four and ozer in time of possession and

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Speaker 4: time of possession, oh and four in the turnover bat

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Speaker 4: we had more plays than them too, oh and four

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Speaker 4: in the turnover battle though. Yeah, four straight of that,

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Speaker 4: three of them.

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Speaker 3: By double by two or more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well this one would the last at the end,

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Speaker 2: that's the last one. But it still two to two

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I asked the question because as we head into this

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Cleveland Browns, And if you would have

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Speaker 2: gone from the start of the season, you would have said,

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Speaker 2: if you asked that same question, I would have felt

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Speaker 2: better about it because obviously you have Nick Chubb and

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Speaker 2: don't really know what this team is going to be

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Speaker 2: going forward. I have a pretty good idea they're going

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Speaker 2: to play great defense, but they also had it's got

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Speaker 2: to be complimentary football and that's not what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was really inconsistent. Obviously, quarterback play just dreadfully inconsistent,

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Speaker 2: and it was a quick turnover to them and then

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Speaker 2: you're right back on the heels again.

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Speaker 3: It's you're right. The defense didn't tackle well, but they.

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Speaker 2: Also were put in a brutal spot to try to

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Speaker 4: No, and I think overall they still had a pretty

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Speaker 4: solid game on the defensive side of ball. It was

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Speaker 4: not our best performance. The number of mistackles I think

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Speaker 4: we had eleven according to Pro Football Focus, which was

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Speaker 4: the highest of the season by wide margin. Oh, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't our best game at all.

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Speaker 2: Just sucked, like going into the bye week, like because

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Speaker 2: it lasts for two weeks. Two weeks of this now

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Speaker 2: and you could have got three and one.

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Speaker 4: We yes, if this and if this game it had

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Speaker 4: then we put a beating on Tennessee and your two

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Speaker 3: The timing win go into it. Of course, it sucks.

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Speaker 3: It's not fun.

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Speaker 4: The highs or high the lowser low this is the

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Speaker 4: roller coaster of the National Football League. This Browns team

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Speaker 4: still has the ability to do everything that we believe

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Speaker 4: that had the ability to do at the start of

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Speaker 4: this season, and so will they be able to do that?

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Speaker 4: Will they go out and be able to, you know,

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Speaker 6: That's the question.

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Speaker 2: Can I push back just for a session as friends?

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Speaker 2: Do we do we what have what we had at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of this season to accomplish everything that we wanted? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because we don't have Nick Chubb anymore.

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Speaker 3: I understand that.

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Speaker 4: But if Nick Chubb is going to derail your season

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Speaker 4: on even whatever level it is, it wasn't gonna be

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Speaker 4: a season of consequence anyway, that was true.

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Speaker 3: This is a quarterback league. Maybe that I understand it.

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Speaker 2: But like the drop from him, we were It appears

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Speaker 2: outstanding win and run and they are, yeah, you do,

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Speaker 2: you do? Just wonder though, it is just that the

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Speaker 2: going to have to play games in inclement weather. We

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Speaker 2: opener where it was downpour, But we have not. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to play games in December and January. If

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Speaker 2: going to have to do so while throwing the ball predominantly.

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Speaker 2: Because we don't run it well. And that isn't just

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Speaker 2: a factor of Nick Chubb. We don't block it well.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: The line is playing bad.

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Speaker 2: Our offensive line run blocking is brutal. So Nick Chubb

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Speaker 2: covered up a lot of that stuff and would have

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Speaker 2: covered it up in December. And so I understand it's

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Speaker 2: quarterback league. You don't have to tell me that. I

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Speaker 2: get that. I know you know, I know that. But

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Speaker 2: Nick Chubb allowed for a tremendous margin that is gone

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Speaker 2: because you could have relied on him. He's five yards

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Speaker 2: there isn't anybody out there that.

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Speaker 3: Can do that. And you don't have anybody on this

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Speaker 4: No, they've got a block better. Harrison Bryant has got

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Speaker 4: a block immensely better. Yeah, in the run game bad,

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Speaker 4: it was bad, and there really wasn't a lot a

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Speaker 4: lot of ways to go. I mean, I'll pull up

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Speaker 4: right now, but I'm pretty sure the contact on running

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Speaker 4: contact or so we had eighty four of our ninety

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Speaker 4: three rushing yards came after contact, So that means we're

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Speaker 4: getting contacted at the line of scrimmage in this game.

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Speaker 4: So it felt like, yeah, we averaged three point seven

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Speaker 3: Nobody's good there.

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Speaker 4: By the way, if you're getting a yard of push,

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Speaker 4: averaging five and a half yards to carry, and that's

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Speaker 4: what a yard It feels doesn't feel unreasonable to be

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Speaker 4: able to do that. The Browns had in this game.

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Speaker 4: Obviously some just some wild plays in the run game.

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Speaker 4: We had a twenty yard loss, which I think is

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Speaker 4: the first one that has not.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen that. No, I haven't seen it either.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought I knew it was

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Speaker 2: going backwards a lot. But when they initially on television

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Speaker 2: on first down, right, yes, it said second and twenty three,

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Speaker 2: And I went, okay, I mean that really sucks to

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Speaker 2: But oh no, they just tended a chance to update it.

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Speaker 2: It was second and thirty. Yeah, what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: And I think what happened, and it probably happened for

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Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt. All right.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear from Coach within the last hour, he was

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Speaker 10: Okay, injury front Ethan Posk is dealing with a knee

448
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 10: injury and a chest injury. He will he's day to day.

449
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Speaker 10: If we had a game this week, likely wouldn't have

450
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Speaker 10: made it. But good thing that we're gonna buy this week.

451
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Speaker 10: And the Miles is dealing with a foot injury again

452
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Speaker 10: day to day, but feel good about him. You know

453
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Speaker 10: obviously watching the tape, it's you know, you're disappointed, you're frustrated,

454
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Speaker 10: but we got to own it. It's we're sharing the wins,

455
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Speaker 10: we're sharing the losses, and we're two and two football team,

456
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Speaker 10: which means there's some good and there's some bad.

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Speaker 5: So that's what today. This week is.

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Speaker 10: About identifying some things that we need to do better

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Speaker 10: and fix them. And that's what we're gonna do. So

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Speaker 10: watch a tape with the guys today, point it out,

461
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Speaker 10: coach off of it, and get better next time. But

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Speaker 10: with that, I'll take any questions.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Kevin, just wondering in light of what went down

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Speaker 11: with Deshaun yesterday.

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Speaker 12: I know you said there was no structural damage, but do.

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Speaker 11: You feel like, uh, you know, do you guys feel

467
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Speaker 11: like you need to over this by weekend, you know,

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Speaker 11: look a little further into what's going on with the

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Speaker 11: shoulder medically and make sure that everything is.

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Speaker 5: Cool in there.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm comfortable, Mary kay just with the with the

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Speaker 10: medical I know Deshaun obviously we talk with the doctors.

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Speaker 10: We structurally we feel good about it. He's going to

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Speaker 10: use this week to rest and continue to get treatment.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, I feel I feel like medically we're all

476
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Speaker 10: on the same page.

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Speaker 8: Kevin, bye week is usually the time the season to

478
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Speaker 8: acquire players. If he feels there's a need backup quarterback

479
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Speaker 8: at all in your thinking or can p j Walker

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Speaker 8: be merged into a more prominent backup role.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think, you know, coming off of yesterday, obviously

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Speaker 10: Dorian's disappointed.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's the first outing for him.

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Speaker 10: He will continue to get better, But that's really where

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Speaker 10: my focus is.

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Speaker 8: Tony one follow up on Watson. You said yesterday pretty

487
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Speaker 8: much it was his call, so he was medically cleared

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Speaker 8: to play. If he would have said I'm good, he

489
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Speaker 8: would have played.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yes, And you know, let me say this, Tony. I mean,

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Speaker 10: he knows his body. He's played through serious pain before,

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Speaker 10: very very serious injuries. It wasn't a matter of pain

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Speaker 10: tolerance or anything. He just did not feel like he

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Speaker 10: had his full faculties.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Kevin, just to follow up on that real quick.

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Speaker 13: You guys dealt with a similar situation with Baker, and

498
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Speaker 13: I realized they're independent. But as far as you know,

499
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Speaker 13: the players say and I'm okay, and typically players always

500
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Speaker 13: going up leading up to a game say they want

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Speaker 13: to play. Did you have any indications during that practice week,

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Speaker 13: aside from him not being able to throw a lot,

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Speaker 13: that there was a potential he would not be able

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Speaker 13: to go because it seemed like Saturday night the word

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Speaker 13: coming from the team was you guys were really really

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Speaker 13: confident that Sean was starting well.

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Speaker 10: We listened him as questionable. You know, he didn't throw

508
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Speaker 10: all week and we had to get to the game

509
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Speaker 10: and that was the first time he's going to throw

510
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Speaker 10: to see ultimately how he felt, if he felt like

511
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Speaker 10: he you know, could drive a throw those type of things.

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Speaker 10: So he was he was confident in it. Like I

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Speaker 10: told you, guys, he's disappointed, but I wouldn't make it

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Speaker 10: any more than that.

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Speaker 13: And then just your thoughts that you going through the

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Speaker 13: film this morning with d with dtr and what he

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Speaker 13: was wasn't able to do your thoughts change as far

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Speaker 13: as how you approach that game or do you think

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Speaker 13: that if you could do it all over again, you

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Speaker 13: do you just stick with what you ended up going with.

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Speaker 10: Well, if I could do it all over again, I

522
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Speaker 10: think anybody coming off the loss would probably change some

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Speaker 10: things up. That's my job, our job as coach has

524
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Speaker 10: got to put these guys.

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Speaker 5: In position to succeed. Didn't do it enough yesterday.

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Speaker 14: Hey, Kevin, I know there's a lot of circumstances involved

527
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Speaker 14: with the run game, losing and Jack, but what can

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Speaker 14: you guys do during the bye to stabilize it or

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Speaker 14: improve it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we can be better, obviously, trusting the guys we have.

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Speaker 10: I trust in the scheme, those type of things. We're

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Speaker 10: four games into the season, so it's it's, you know,

533
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Speaker 10: an incomplete sample size to draw a ton from it.

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Speaker 5: But we can be better. We will be better.

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Speaker 14: And you know, it feels like a lot has happened

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Speaker 14: in these first four games. I feel like that way

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Speaker 14: to you and like, how do you process kind of

538
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Speaker 14: everything that's going on?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's the NFL, honestly, Scott. Every every year we

540
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Speaker 10: say it. You can't predict what's going to happen. That's

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Speaker 10: why everybody tunes in. It's unscripted as far as I'm.

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Speaker 15: Told, Hey, Kevin, I was going to ask you about

543
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Speaker 15: the offensive line, and Scott talked about the running game.

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Speaker 15: What can you do to get on track? And you

545
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Speaker 15: look at the numbers and you know they had like

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Speaker 15: four sacks and ten quarterback hits, tackles for loss a

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Speaker 15: lot of them. Is it. Is there anything you can

548
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Speaker 15: do on on the offense to line and shuffle that

549
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Speaker 15: around over the over the buyer just correct it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we trust in the guys we have fred I

551
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Speaker 5: think we can play better, we can coach better, but

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Speaker 5: we trust in the guys.

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Speaker 16: We have have been going off of that with with Elijah.

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Speaker 16: What are you kind of seeing just I know yesterday

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Speaker 16: I was the circumstance with the with the loss for yards,

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Speaker 16: But what have you just seen the way that he's

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Speaker 16: handled his role and like kind of understood what in

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Speaker 16: done in the running back when you put him in

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Speaker 16: those kinds of situations.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, obviously you know that was a tough play the

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Speaker 10: other the other day, but he's a we we want

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Speaker 10: to continue to get him the ball.

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Speaker 5: He's a big part of what we do.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 10: You know, he has versatility where he can line up

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Speaker 10: in the formation, but we and we I we will

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Speaker 10: do a better job of getting him the ball.

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Speaker 16: Following up on that, Is it like a mindset shift

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Speaker 16: shift at all? I guess when you go from more

570
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Speaker 16: of a like wide receiver rule to then that kind

571
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Speaker 16: of running back where he is to work on that

572
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Speaker 16: at all?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I think like anything you know, with

574
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Speaker 10: with your roles, you start to carve them out and

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Speaker 10: they evolve over the season. Anytime you can do more,

576
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Speaker 10: you know, we're going to explore ways to get guys

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Speaker 10: to the football in different ways, but he certainly works

578
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Speaker 10: hard at learning his job and then doing his job

579
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Speaker 10: as well.

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Speaker 12: Hey Kevin, when when you have uncertainty at the quarterback

581
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Speaker 12: position like that, I mean, how much how much of

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Speaker 12: last week did you spend kind of game planning with

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Speaker 12: the idea DeShawn was going to play? And then how

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Speaker 12: much were you how much were you able to actually

585
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Speaker 12: adjust when you found out he wasn't going.

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Speaker 10: To Yeah, you know again, that's our job, truly, It's

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Speaker 10: it's our job as coaches. You put a plan together, uh,

588
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Speaker 10: and then the backups execute the plan, and then based

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Speaker 10: on who's available to you, you adjust your game plan

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Speaker 10: both during the week and in games.

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Speaker 5: So, uh, it's what happened yesterday was not an.

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Speaker 10: Issue of you know, not knowing if TTR was going

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Speaker 10: to play that That was not it at all.

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Speaker 5: We just have to coach better and play better, hey Kevin.

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Speaker 4: And obviously Nijoku was a late add to the injury

596
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Speaker 4: of barn with that household accent.

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Speaker 5: Did you get a chance to talk to him about

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Speaker 5: it and how was he feeling and did he go.

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Speaker 12: To the hospital at all after what happened?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not going to get into specifics Aboola, Dave

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Speaker 10: kind of handle that, you know, with the result we

602
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 10: had yesterday, it's hard to feel good about anything. But

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Speaker 10: but the way he played was unbelievable to me, with

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Speaker 10: what he went through. Uh, just and not just you

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00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 10: know the past game, the run game, he's the first

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Speaker 10: guy picking his teammates up off the ground.

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Speaker 5: It felt like every single play so he was a

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Speaker 5: warrior yesterday it was. It was impressive to watch Kevin.

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Speaker 8: The The use of Harrison Brant continues to be interesting

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Speaker 8: to me. I'm wondering that's a very slow developing, complicated

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Speaker 8: play you had. Was that in the game plan the

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Speaker 8: flea flicker? I mean, was that in the game plan

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Speaker 8: for Watson or specifically for dt.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I wouldn't It wasn't specific for Deshaun.

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Speaker 10: It was just felt like we'd have an opportunity to

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Speaker 10: take a shot there in that down the distance.

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Speaker 14: Hey, Kevin, I get what about DeShawn? Thank you talking

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Speaker 14: about letting it rip And when we watched him throw Thursday, Friday, Sunday, like,

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Speaker 14: it never felt like he threw one full speed. Was

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Speaker 14: he able to try that at all during the week?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Ultimately, and that's you know, ultimately what we're trying

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Speaker 10: to you know, give them an opportunity, uh yesterday to

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Speaker 10: see if you could okay.

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Speaker 14: And then defensively, what did you think the issues were,

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Speaker 14: especially in that second quarter where they had those two

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Speaker 14: long touchdown drives.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, a couple of different things. Obviously, you know,

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Speaker 10: they give them credit. The quarterback made a couple of

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Speaker 10: plays that they ran the ball. They had a couple

631
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Speaker 10: of scheme runs that were good. We just got to

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Speaker 10: correct them. That's what today is about. But you know,

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Speaker 10: I thought by and large our defense, you know, that's

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Speaker 10: a tough out with that offense, I thought they competed.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next, we will go around where we stand

636
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Speaker 2: at the in the AFC North at our bye week.

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Speaker 9: You were, You were right close.

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Speaker 3: It's the second one, precipice. I was right there. You know,

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Speaker 2: All right, So you get healthy in the bye week,

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Speaker 2: or as healthy as you can get. From an injury standpoint.

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Speaker 2: Deshaun will obviously rest and presumably be ready to go

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Speaker 2: by the time he gets back. You would certainly think

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Speaker 2: Miles is feels like nothing to be concerned about their

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Speaker 2: post sick. Was there anything else injury wise?

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Speaker 9: No, that's how the coach mentioned. Coach said, if we

663
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Speaker 9: had a game this week, post's probably not going. But okay,

664
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Speaker 9: right now, it's day to day. Miles boot precautionary is

665
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 9: what he told the media yesterday.

666
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: Okay, how nay Caris do coming in. He did find

667
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: he had a couple.

668
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: He had one real nice block in pass pro, but

669
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: our line struggled in general. I felt that there was

670
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: too often that one four of the five would have

671
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: it working and then one of them would not. And

672
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: unfortunately that was a problem. And I think you know,

673
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 4: we all know that there continues to be a big

674
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 4: problem at left tackle. Jed Will six more pressures allowed

675
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: in this game. It's tough. When you watch the tape back.

676
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: There actually were some times where maybe we could have

677
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: made some plays, and those were the ones where you

678
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 4: would get hit with that early pressure and it would

679
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: completely disrupt whatever chance that you had. So it's been

680
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: very unfortunate that you know that has happened. But I

681
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 4: just wanted to throw one stat out real quick. We've

682
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: given up forty nine pressures as a team, forty nine.

683
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: Jed Wills has given.

684
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: Up eighteen of them. Eighteen of forty nine.

685
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: So when you think about every pressure that's credited to

686
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: somebody on our team, he's been responsible for thirty seven

687
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 4: percent of them. Now that includes we're talking that's talking

688
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 4: wide receivers, tight end, oh yeah, running backs who are

689
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: given up pressures. When you look at like just on

690
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: the line, the pressure is given up by just people

691
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 4: on the line. You know, you're only knocking off about

692
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: a handful of them. But it's eighteen of about forty four.

693
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: That's it's got to get better. I mean it is,

694
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: and it's been disruptive to what we are attempting to

695
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 4: do as as a as an operation. And I think

696
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 4: that's that's tough. Dwan Jones gave up a couple pressures yesterday.

697
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 4: We've done a bad job for whatever reason. On the

698
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 4: left side the line, which is Jed and Joel together

699
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: on those kind of just te stunts, the twists or yeah,

700
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: the tackle, take goes up into the the defense tackle

701
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 4: goes up into the tackle and then they loop around

702
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 4: and you know, Dorian was running for his life, got

703
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: away from Clowney twice. Clowney should have had a couple

704
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 4: of SAgs in this one. But yeah, that's tough. What's

705
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: wild in this one? So dtr is under pressure on

706
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: forty four percent of his dropbacks, Like that's just too high.

707
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: That's you're not going to have success in the NFL

708
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: doing that consistently. Now, on the other side, we came

709
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 4: into it. One of our big keys of the game

710
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: was what was the pressure you know on Lamar had

711
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: been the worst, his rating was in the twenties. We

712
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: pressured him on forty six percent of his dropbacks. We

713
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: generate a lot of pressure. Yeah, he went five for

714
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: eight for ninety fourty yards and a touchdown on those

715
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: plays with the rating of one forty two.

716
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: So he looked like the MVP of the league, you know,

717
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: like he looked a couple of years ago. Yes he did. Yeah,

718
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: yes he did. And they had the answers to the test.

719
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: It seemed to me, now the good news and again

720
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: this is silver lining stuff, but it's worth mentioning the

721
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: division was really really bad yesterday. So four weeks in

722
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: to the season, Baltimore a top at three and one,

723
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh is number two. They're two and two. We are

724
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: tied at two and two, but obviously we have the

725
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: two you know, conference losses or divisional loss and the

726
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: Bengals are one and three. So I had it was

727
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: one of those rare instances where you could watch our

728
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: game and their game at the same time. One was

729
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: on Fox and one was on CBS yesterday, so you

730
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: could watch both games at once, and so I had

731
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: them on and they were They were far worse off

732
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: even than we were because they are playing Burrow and

733
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: they were hopeless. The Bengals were absolutely hopeless in this game.

734
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: Did I mean, did I say it?

735
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: No? No, you just didn't. I didn't know.

736
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: No, it was it was Bengals Titans on one and

737
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: it was it was Brown. It was our game on

738
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: the other and so and the other TV I had

739
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: on red zone, so they will kind.

740
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 3: Of keep a track of everything that way.

741
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: But Cincinnati is in a big deal of hurt with

742
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: the Borough situation and it's grinding against everybody down there.

743
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase not pleased at all, as you can imagine

744
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: the post game because he's open a lot. Here is

745
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase. This was post game after a big, big

746
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: loss to Tennessee.

747
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 14: How frustrated is that for you to be on the

748
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 14: field and see things.

749
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 9: Going the way they're going.

750
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 10: Uh.

751
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 15: I just got to do what I could do, man

752
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 15: tounn of health, the team, team as best as I can.

753
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 8: That's my job anything else, you know what I'm saying,

754
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 8: to just be a teammate for my guys.

755
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: Four games this season.

756
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: Do you feel like you've had less time to get

757
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 4: open and create space for yourself.

758
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 17: Now I'm open. I'm always excuse them up a fan,

759
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 17: I'm sorry.

760
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: T Higgins is not.

761
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: In fact, he went down yesterday in the game. So

762
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: they're beating up a little bit too, like we are,

763
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: like everybody is. But they do have a major problem

764
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 2: with Burrow's health. As I mentioned earlier in the show.

765
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: They're Arizona and then Seattle. That's the next two weeks

766
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: for them. They are one and three and then they

767
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: get their bye week. But he cannot drive the football

768
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: downfield at all. So it's they have no over the

769
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: top pass game whatsoever.

770
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 4: It's wild because I mean they were very, very good

771
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 4: at it. Now Higgins is down and you feel like

772
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 4: he is can't wait to get out of there. It's

773
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 4: it's just crazy how quickly it is derailed for the

774
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: sins of health.

775
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: Angles his health. He cannot throw the ball.

776
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: There are things be going on. It feels like much

777
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: beyond well.

778
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: I think that there is. Yeah, I think it's a

779
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: communication issue. I mean, you saw Mike Brown say hey,

780
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: pulling up to him on the golf cart, and I

781
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: think the presumptive thinking was hey is a long term commitment.

782
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: We don't need you playing correct, don't come back until

783
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: you're healthy. He's Burrow's playing despite it, which helps you

784
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: went over a locker room, but also long term for

785
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: their health is not ideal in any way because anytime

786
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: I talk to anybody about the injury he has, they're

787
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: always quick to say, look, this is going to be

788
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: pain management the rest of the year for him, like

789
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: it might not be right all year.

790
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: Well, it feels like you said to the locker it

791
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 4: just feels like there's a lot of discontent.

792
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: In that locker room.

793
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: Could be lack of satisfaction with the coaching as well, sure,

794
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: with which so that could be the case. I mean

795
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: losing breeds that for sure. Pittsburgh was hapless yesterday, just pathetic.

796
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: They lost Picket to an injury as well. Yet somehow

797
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: they're two and two. Well we know how somehow they're

798
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: two and two. Here was Mike Tomlin after the big,

799
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: big loss down in Houston.

800
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 8: Will you contemplate any changes there is it's still too early.

801
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 17: Regarding changes regarding Hell, yeah, we got to make some changes, man.

802
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 17: That was that was That was an ugly product we

803
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 17: put out there today. And so we're not going to

804
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 17: do the same things and and hope for a different outcome.

805
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 17: What those changes are, Man, we'll put together a plan

806
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 17: in prep ration.

807
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: Man. I love that. I love that answer. He's hell, yeah,

808
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna make some changes. We're not gonna keep doing this.

809
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have some finite problems obviously offensively, and the

810
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: picket injury will add to that.

811
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 9: But maybe they get better with Mitchell Trubisky.

812
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

813
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 9: I don't think it could get worse.

814
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Stroud picked him apart.

815
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: I mean he hit guys in stride routinely in that

816
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: game yesterday. Baltimore is, without question, as we sit here,

817
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: the healthiest of the teams, both not necessarily health they're

818
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 2: beaten up, but just in terms of their the look

819
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: of their operation has been the most consistent through a month.

820
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 4: Yes, our highs are higher than their highs, and they

821
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: have not had the lows that we certainly have had,

822
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 4: and we have had them. So it's it's frustrating. You

823
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 4: absolutely are in a position where you could be three

824
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 4: and one and you'd be fine with that and say, Okay,

825
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 4: this game, you know, we lost. I think it wuld

826
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: The feeling would be so different, and there's so much frustration.

827
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: I think there's so much, as my mom would say,

828
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 4: angst in and around this fan base and the tension

829
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 4: and the nervness right about this football team that it

830
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: almost feels like every week is a complete referendum on

831
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 4: everything associated with the team, and that it feels like

832
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 4: there's just a lot of pressure for this football team

833
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: to be good, and justifiably so, there is justifiable pressure

834
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 4: for this team to be good.

835
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: There's a nervness. Yeah, so there's a nervness in the

836
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: fan base. There's a nervness in the yeah, everywhere. I mean,

837
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: these stakes were huge, aren't huge this year? This is

838
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: this is there is a window. This was among the

839
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: years in the window. Yes, right, yes, And so even

840
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: if it goes south in Cincinnati and this year is

841
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: a lost year for them, They've been to a super

842
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: Bowl two years ago, they were in the AFC Championship

843
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: Game last year. Like, they've accomplished things that you'd love

844
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: to accomplish around here. Yes, of course they have an

845
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: acomplished the ultimate prize of winning the Super Bowl. But

846
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: they've gotten to that point. So there's good stuff in

847
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: the bank. We don't have that. Yes, we need.

848
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: This year to go, and that's where it comes from.

849
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: And that's why when you said it two and two

850
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: and you go, man, it's just opportunity lost, is what

851
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: it feels like. Yes, and so there needs to also

852
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: be kind of a reworking of how we go about

853
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: our business over the course of the next two weeks

854
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: because you do not have the incredible insurance policy that

855
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: is Nick Chubb, and so the way we kind of

856
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: do our operation needs to be addressed probably too.

857
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 4: I still think that this team has a defense that

858
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: is elite. I think that you got a quarterback who

859
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: has been elite in his career, and you saw the

860
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 4: last time he played his best game as a Cleveland Brown.

861
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 4: So that's encouraging to me. And that's what's gonna have

862
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: to carry this football team. It's going to have to

863
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: be about, you know, Deshaun Watson and this defense and

864
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 4: playing complimentary football. O special teams units have been good.

865
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: We haven't generated much in the return game, but our

866
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 4: coverage teams have.

867
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 3: Been very very good.

868
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: Our kicker has been very very good. You get a

869
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 4: schedule now, forty nine ers very difficult right the next

870
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: five games, though, I think you've got to go three

871
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 4: and two in these five games. And if you do that,

872
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: then I think you're in a position where you're going

873
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 4: to have a chance to make a nice little run

874
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 4: as the schedule kind of lessens up a little bit.

875
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 4: So you got Browns against the Niners at home, at Colts, yep,

876
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: at Seahawks, Cardinals at home. So it's the next six games.

877
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: I'm sorry you want to go four and two. I

878
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: think in these if you can at the Ravens, that'll

879
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: be a tough one home for the Steelers.

880
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: All right, So to me, clearly the most winnable one.

881
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: There are two that are just gotta be and that's

882
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 2: Arizona and Indy. Those have got to be wins.

883
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 5: Yep.

884
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: The Richardson kid has flashes, but he's wildly inaccurate, so

885
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: you should be able to And then after that you

886
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 2: have that are absolutely winnable because it's at Broncos at Rams.

887
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 4: Well, then you get Broncos, Rams, Jags, Bears in the

888
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: next four even you go even if you go three

889
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: and three and you're sitting at five and five, I

890
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: think you have a chance to still be a you know,

891
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: playoff team, Yes, absolutely, But if you can go four

892
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: and two here, yeah, that would be a very very

893
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 4: good situation because then you get that, and then it's

894
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: the Texans you're after that. You go Broncos, Rams, Jags, Bears, Texans, Jets, Bengals.

895
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: That's your final seven games.

896
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that feels like a six and one stretch.

897
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 4: You got to get we got to get there.

898
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 3: But you got to get there and so and the.

899
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: Niners will lose a game at some point this year.

900
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: Maybe they will. They're a full day though. Oh they

901
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 3: are elite.

902
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are a They are the cleanest operation by

903
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: a wide margin in the league.

904
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: Correct, they're winning there. It's a dominance, it's dominant.

905
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: They're doing They're doing whatever they want. There's no question.

906
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: At Seattle will be tough. At Baltimore will be very tough.

907
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: But the rest of those you should you should, You

908
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: should handle your business a little bit. We'll see how

909
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: it all goes. But I guess if you're you're grasping

910
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: for straws and silver linings. And the one thing that

911
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: is absolutely true a month in is this division isn't

912
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: what we thought it would be.

913
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 3: This conference conference too.

914
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: But even in the short the quickest path of the

915
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: postseason is to win your Division. Yep, that Baltimore team

916
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: has its own flaws. As good as they've been the

917
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: first month, I agree with your point absolutely. The lows

918
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: haven't been as low, but their highs haven't been as high.

919
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: They haven't had like a totally clean operation yet, not

920
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 2: by a damn stretch. They're cleanest was probably obviously yesterday.

921
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: But Pittsburgh, Pittsburh's got big problems, and Cincinnati's got monster problems.

922
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: Like nobody would have thought Cincinnati wuld be one and

923
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: three sitting here a month in, and worse than that,

924
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: having complete uncertainty at quarterback with Burrow. So the division

925
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: has come way down for what we thought it would

926
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: be a month in.

927
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what's wild too. The Steelers are two

928
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 4: and two, same as us. We are still positive sixteen

929
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 4: points in the differential. They're negative thirty eight. There are

930
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 4: only four three and one teams in the AFC. You're

931
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: only behind four teams one game behind four teams, the Bills,

932
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 4: the Dolphins, the Ravens, and the Kansas City Chiefs. Other

933
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 4: than that, everybody's two and two or one and three.

934
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 3: They are no.

935
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 8: Four.

936
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: No teams are no zero to four teams in the AFC.

937
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: Well, you think about it, like if we did that

938
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: exercise of who thinks they're a Super Bowl contender, we

939
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: absolutely would have considered Jacksonville, yep, in that and they

940
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: don't look at Cincinnati.

941
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: We would have been in it. Done that, don't look it.

942
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: I mean we were.

943
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: Well because if Denver's defense was what it had been

944
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: the last couple of years, which they made a change

945
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: there with Vance Joseph, and it is not going well, no,

946
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: they would Their offense is actually fine, it's fine, fine.

947
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, fine, The Chargers are winning in spite of their coach.

948
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: The Chargers. Chargers are good. He did it again. You

949
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 3: know what he did yesterday? No oh told me this

950
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: morning he did.

951
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: The same thing inside his own thirty a couple of

952
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: minutes left, he tries running the quarterback sneak with Herbert

953
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: to and again, same of same.

954
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 3: What what did it end up? Final? They covered?

955
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: I think, but it was right because the guy through

956
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 4: an interception, the guy through a pick at the end

957
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: twenty four seventeen was okay.

958
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 2: So it's twenty four to seventeen. They've got the ball

959
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: in like their own Somewhere in the twenties, fourth and

960
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: one and instead of punning it to a rookie quarterback

961
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: who has to go the distance on you.

962
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: He calls a sneak.

963
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: They go for it. He calls a sneak. They don't

964
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: get it. The Raiders then have the ball at the

965
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: twenty some yard line going in to go tie the game.

966
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 3: He did it again. He gets bailed out over and.

967
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 9: Over again because of his talented football team. That team

968
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 9: wins in spite of him, and every curvever.

969
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: Is so good and they just how did they do

970
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: not deserve that?

971
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: That guy has no business?

972
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: How about Khalil Max six sacks in this game.

973
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: I mean O'Connell had no chance. The kid was.

974
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: He was running from his life the whole time. The

975
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: Raiders aren't very good, it's the truth of it.

976
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: But like, no, they should They should have absolutely boat

977
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: raced him.

978
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: But again it's first Herbert, first play. Herbert goes out.

979
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: He's like this because he can't here. It's a home

980
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: game and he can't hear he is playing the Raiders.

981
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way he goes There's no, there's just no.

982
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: But I mean he did two weeks in a row.

983
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: He did the same thing. No, Lesson has learned and

984
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: so he bails out on it. He gets bailed out

985
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: twice on it. All right, we believe the hawfell join

986
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: us coming up next.

987
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,520
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988
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,160
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1004
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: Hoff Joe Thomas, it was your day yesterday, Buddy. I

1005
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: wish it could have ended a little bit better, sadly,

1006
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: but it was, it still had to be a very

1007
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: special moment for you and the family.

1008
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was obviously a super special day being able

1009
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 7: to get my Hall of Fame ring and have the

1010
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 7: whole family there. And I think for me the highlight

1011
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 7: was probably running out of the tunnel with the kids

1012
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 7: in tow and my son trying to beat me. But

1013
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 7: I had to let him know right at the end

1014
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 7: he's not got me yet. I still gotta step on him,

1015
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 7: and so he still got to work on that speed

1016
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 7: just a little bit.

1017
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: How is your youngest because it looked like in the

1018
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 4: in the midst of the tunnel, she took a little

1019
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 4: bit of got a little bump.

1020
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, she took a digger, didn't I didn't even

1021
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 7: realize it because I was kind of leading them through

1022
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 7: the tunnel.

1023
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, just behind you.

1024
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, she was right behind me. And the wife was like, oh,

1025
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 7: my gosh, did you see Reese? And like, how am

1026
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 7: I supposed to see Reese on the back of my head?

1027
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 7: And she's like oh, she rumbled right away, and the

1028
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 7: poor kid was like crying I think on stage at

1029
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 7: the beginning. But she's a tough kid, being number four.

1030
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 7: As you know, you get beat up a lot, so

1031
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 7: she's used to scraping the knees and rubbing some dirt

1032
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 7: on and getting back in the game.

1033
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: Joe, what has all of this been like?

1034
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: And I'm curious your view of it through your kid's eyes,

1035
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: because obviously when you played, they were so much younger,

1036
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: but now they will have full memories of all of this.

1037
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: What has this been like for you the past couple

1038
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: of months and obviously the hall obviously being the big moment,

1039
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: but obviously an incredible moment here yesterday.

1040
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: What has this been like to have your kids to

1041
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: share it with.

1042
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just been incredible. I mean being able to

1043
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 7: see how passionate they are as brown sands and football fans.

1044
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 7: It's so cool because when I was playing, like they

1045
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 7: would come to the game but they had no idea

1046
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 7: what was going on. They're like, they would wear a

1047
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 7: jersey because that's what mom put them in in the morning,

1048
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 7: and you know, they were in their diapers, and we

1049
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 7: have some cool pictures of me with them at training

1050
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 7: camp and the game and stuff. But to see pure

1051
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 7: joy on their face, to be able to run out

1052
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 7: of the tunnel with them and to wear their jersey,

1053
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 7: for them to ask to where their browns jersey and

1054
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 7: how proud they are of their dad is all you

1055
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 7: ever want as an a parent and as a father,

1056
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 7: and you know as a player, especially as you go

1057
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 7: on in the years, you start thinking of like why

1058
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 7: am I doing this? You know what, what am I

1059
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 7: getting out of this? Why am I putting my body

1060
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 7: through this? And the big thing is like, you're doing

1061
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 7: it for your family, You're doing it for your kids,

1062
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 7: and you're doing it for that next generation. So to

1063
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 7: see the pride in their eyes has just given me

1064
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 7: so much great joy to the full process.

1065
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 4: It's awesome and I know how important it is to

1066
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 4: you and how special it is to you, and you know,

1067
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 4: getting to go out there with them in front of

1068
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 4: the stadium. Did they think it was pretty cool to

1069
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 4: like see the stadium from the field, even though it

1070
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 4: was halftime, but they kind of have that experience.

1071
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 7: They did. Yeah, they love being on the field. And

1072
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 7: now that my son is, you know, following in the diship,

1073
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 7: he's all as a baller on the flag football field.

1074
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 7: He loves being out there on the grass, right because

1075
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 7: the field we play on is literally just grass in

1076
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 7: a park that's got some paint on it. There's no

1077
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 7: goal posts, there's no bleachers, there's nothing. It's just a

1078
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 7: square in white paint on some really shoddy grass and dirt.

1079
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 7: So to go out there and see the most christine

1080
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 7: field in pro football and to be able to walk

1081
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 7: on that grass, I mean, the field in clean around

1082
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 7: thing is amazing. I had people asking me when they

1083
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 7: installed turf yesterday, and I go, it's not turf. It's

1084
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 7: just the grass is so perfect it looks like turf.

1085
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 7: And so for a young kid to be out there

1086
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 7: and to be able to chuck the football around, I mean,

1087
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 7: he's on cloud nine. Which is cool because you do

1088
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 7: as a player, you're around it so much, you start

1089
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 7: taking stuff for granted. And I'm sure players that have

1090
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 7: kids that are a little bit older that come to

1091
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 7: everything and they're going to the games and they're on

1092
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 7: the field all the time, you start to take it

1093
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 7: for granted. It's just human nature. So it's cool to

1094
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 7: see that since he doesn't really experience it all the time,

1095
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 7: he still appreciates the heck out of it.

1096
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: Like the first time, well and he got he got

1097
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: the full spectrum. Then yesterday with the way, the bad,

1098
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: the good and the bad off this was it just sucked.

1099
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you lose Watson early and then it just

1100
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: felt like there was no there was no backup planned

1101
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: if he wasn't able to go, and obviously they fully

1102
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: anticipated him playing.

1103
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: We've heard from coach earlier that.

1104
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 2: They anticipated in playing and it was just something they

1105
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: just could not overcome. What did you make of the

1106
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: approach and what you saw on the field from the

1107
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: Browns yesterday?

1108
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 7: I was with you, guys, I mean I was. I

1109
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 7: was shocked. Based on what we saw from dtr in

1110
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 7: the preseason, it seemed like the moment wasn't going to

1111
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 7: be too big for him. He was going to be accurate, operate,

1112
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 7: pretty efficient name and you kind of assume that you

1113
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 7: would see somewhat of the same version of what we

1114
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 7: saw in preseason. And I know it's preseason football, I

1115
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 7: get it. You know, we had a game when Brandon

1116
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 7: Whedon was first here that he lit it up in

1117
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 7: the preseason and we were like, okay, here we go.

1118
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 7: Now now we're going to do it. But you do

1119
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 7: realize that the preseason there's not really game planning, so

1120
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 7: they're not trying to take away your strengths and attack

1121
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 7: your weaknesses. You're not playing as many starters, so there's

1122
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 7: obviously a lot of difference, but I mean I still

1123
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 7: had a lot higher expectations, and I kind of assumed

1124
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 7: that as long as DTR didn't turn the ball over,

1125
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 7: he was going to make enough plays with his legs

1126
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 7: to be able to keep us in there, and our

1127
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 7: defense was going to keep it a low scoring game,

1128
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 7: and which you know, by and large, I think the

1129
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 7: defense did a good job. It wasn't their best outing

1130
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 7: just because they were on the field the whole time,

1131
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 7: so it was It was definitely disappointing, and it was frustrating,

1132
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 7: and you start to get nervous by hey, pr is

1133
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 7: going to be our guy and have to play a

1134
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 7: little bit more. Deshawn's hurt for any length of time,

1135
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 7: Like is he going to be able to jump out

1136
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 7: of this and be the guy we thought he was

1137
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 7: going to be when he was playing really good football

1138
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 7: for us in the preseason and.

1139
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 18: Let us the trade Josh dobbsoy, Yeah, And it just

1140
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 18: felt like you're going against a very professional team in

1141
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 18: the Baltimore Ravens that are always good.

1142
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 4: And I have a question for you when you have guys,

1143
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 4: you know, you're a rookie quarterback and when you were

1144
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 4: work in the middle of the field, and that's what

1145
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 4: he was trying to do. I feel like it takes

1146
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 4: such subtlety right to be able to use your eyes

1147
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: to move the linebackers out of your throwing lanes and

1148
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 4: throw it in. And I think that's something that veterans,

1149
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,479
Speaker 4: you know, learned how to do at a high level

1150
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 4: over time. But when you're a rookie and the guy

1151
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: on the other side, he got Roquan Smith that you're

1152
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 4: dealing with and Patrick Queen, it felt like it was

1153
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 4: just so tough to get anything going in the middlefield

1154
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 4: because it felt like they knew what we were doing

1155
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 4: by reading the body language and the eyes of a

1156
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 4: young quarterback. Did you see that same type of thing

1157
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 4: happened in the game, And how difficult is that? You know,

1158
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 4: that's a tough matchup, I think for a quarterback, the

1159
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 4: quarterback of the defense that Mike linebacker when he's as

1160
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 4: good as Roquan Smith.

1161
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, middle of the field is really tough just because

1162
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 7: of all the bodies you have, and when they're changing

1163
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 7: between split safety and post safety defenses, the responsibilities for

1164
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 7: certain areas and zones and the able the field. They're

1165
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 7: changing constantly, so it can be difficult if you haven't

1166
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 7: been in that situation a lot for a quarterback to know.

1167
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 7: All right, let's say I want to go back to

1168
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 7: my number one read who's on the right side. I

1169
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 7: need to look off this guy. This is the player

1170
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 7: I need to get in my eyes in that direction

1171
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 7: to create the space so I can come back and

1172
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 7: throw the football. Let's stay in that curl area. It's

1173
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 7: a team player or whoever's going to be on the

1174
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 7: other side. But if you're having a hard time recognizing

1175
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 7: what coverage it is, they're doing a good job disguising.

1176
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 7: You don't maybe necessarily know right off the bat who

1177
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 7: I'm supposed to give ey this guys to, And then

1178
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 7: as a young player, you can panic a little bit

1179
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden you're like, I just want

1180
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 7: to make sure he's open. So now you're staring down

1181
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 7: your receivers yep, and then you're falling right into the

1182
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 7: hands of what the defense wants you to do.

1183
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: Joe, and it's you know, look, you got a rookie quarterback.

1184
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: You know that's going to be a learning curve on that.

1185
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: The thing I think was also disappointing was just an

1186
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: inability to get the run game going at all. And

1187
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: some of that is the reality of you no longer

1188
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: have Nick Chubb, and that's something that we certainly have

1189
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: to acknowledge. The best running back in the league is

1190
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 2: not playing here for the rest of the season due

1191
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: to injury. But also it doesn't feel like we're blocking

1192
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: up front the way that we are accustomed to under

1193
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: Bill Callahan.

1194
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 3: What did you see?

1195
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, obviously the run game just looks different when Chubb's

1196
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 7: not in there, because he was a guy that made

1197
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 7: a run that was only blocked for one yard go

1198
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 7: for four because of his ability to find the crack

1199
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 7: and then make people miss or just drag guy scored

1200
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 7: for a couple of yards. Now, drome Ford is not

1201
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 7: the type of guy who's going to be dragging a

1202
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 7: lot of defenders. But he still got some speed, he's

1203
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 7: got some quicks. I think it's probably a combination of both.

1204
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 7: Like the holes weren't quite there. I don't think they

1205
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 7: quite figured out what Jerome is best at, and so

1206
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 7: you saw a couple of flashes, but overall, the run

1207
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 7: games wasn't there, and that was the only thing that

1208
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 7: could have saved you on a Sunday when your quarterback

1209
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 7: really wasn't playing good and you realize that he's just

1210
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 7: not gonna be able to throw the ball much in

1211
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 7: this game and we're gonna have to win it run

1212
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 7: in the football.

1213
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 4: So this run blocking scheme and we're doing we do

1214
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 4: a variety of things in it. Right, it feels like

1215
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 4: when you go back and watch it on tape off

1216
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 4: and in the run game, it really does take all eleven.

1217
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 4: It feels like one guy's blocking the wrong guy. You

1218
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 4: have two guys going to one guy when there are

1219
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 4: two guys that needed to be blocked. It feels like

1220
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 4: we're just making almost kind of in real time mental errors.

1221
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 3: Why is it? Why is that happening?

1222
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I'll say when you spread people out and

1223
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 7: you get defenders out of the box. So if you

1224
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 7: go four receivers or even three receivers, but you're spreading

1225
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 7: them wide, Yeah, the box seven guys or the six

1226
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 7: guys that are upfront that you're going to be responsible

1227
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 7: for blocking are very clear because if they're in the box,

1228
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 7: they're probably responsible for a tight end or a running back,

1229
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 7: or they're part of the run defense. If they're not,

1230
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 7: they're probably in coverage. So you can kind of draw

1231
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 7: a line in a plan and you know who to

1232
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,959
Speaker 7: worry about. And so if a guy changes position, now

1233
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 7: you have to communicate and change your blocking assignments or

1234
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 7: exchange them. It's pretty easy because there's not as many

1235
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 7: of those. But when you start running some of these

1236
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 7: concepts with multiple tight ends where your receivers are a

1237
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 7: nasty tight foot so they're a little bit closer, now

1238
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 7: it becomes a little cloudy as who you have to block.

1239
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 7: So you got to do a lot more known blocking.

1240
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 7: And so with Nick Chubbs it was great because he

1241
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 7: was really good at the pin poll stuff right, and

1242
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 7: our guards are great at that, and that was sort

1243
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 7: of what we became very well known for famous for.

1244
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 7: I don't know if Jerome is the best of those concepts.

1245
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 7: And on top of that, if there was a guy

1246
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 7: that was on blocked because of a mental air a

1247
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 7: lot of times Nick Chubb was so good he'd just

1248
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 7: make a miss where he would it to tackle. But

1249
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 7: we don't have that horse right now in the backfield.

1250
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 7: So a guy that they screw up a communication because

1251
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 7: the defense moves or there was not clarity about who's

1252
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 7: supposed to trouble to which guy that comes free, and

1253
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 7: now it's a the art loss or a twenty yard

1254
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 7: loss if you're running a reverse versus Nick Chubbs kind

1255
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 7: of erases it and plays that magic eraser role and

1256
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 7: you don't even realize it, and so it's not something

1257
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 7: that sticks out in your mind at the end of

1258
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 7: the game.

1259
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 4: Huf jed Wills the struggles are continuing. Six pressures in

1260
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 4: this one. He's been responsible for of the on Pro

1261
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 4: Football focus, of the assigned pressures for the Cleveland Browns,

1262
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 4: he's responsible for nearly forty percent of them himself. He

1263
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: had multiple penalties yesterday. He got beat badly in the

1264
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 4: run game, causing a couple of negative runs. You know,

1265
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 4: what are you seeing from him? And how does this

1266
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 4: get fixed? Because you know, if you're getting I don't

1267
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 4: care who you are. Lamar Jackson was the exception.

1268
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: Of the rule.

1269
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 4: Yesterday looked like the former mvpople When you're under pressure

1270
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 4: on fifty percent of your dropbacks and a lot of runs,

1271
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 4: you're taking contact in the backfield, you're not going to offense,

1272
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 4: and a lot of it seems like it's coming from

1273
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: that left side in Jed Wilson.

1274
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems like the confidence is not there and

1275
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 7: the communication has not been there. I thought he played

1276
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 7: a good game last week. I'll be the first to

1277
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 7: say it. Against the Steelers. He had that critical mistake

1278
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 7: that led to the loss, and I was hard on him.

1279
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 7: I thought overall the game against the Steelers actually was

1280
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 7: better than the perception because one play does define a

1281
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 7: game for you. But to your point, unacceptable lack of

1282
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 7: communication at times when you're stunt basic stuff, and I

1283
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 7: worry that sometimes think snowball and you got to find

1284
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 7: a way to stop the bleeding. That's the first thing

1285
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 7: you got to do in your own mind. It took

1286
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 7: as a cornerback. If you get you for a touchdown

1287
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 7: or you get a bad penalty, you gotta forget about it.

1288
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 7: You got to just go to the next play. And

1289
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 7: sometimes he doesn't seem to be able to do that.

1290
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 7: I think about one of the plays, it was just

1291
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 7: a weak side zone and Jed's in it mind thought

1292
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 7: Joel was working with him, but what and I don't

1293
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 7: I didn't talk to this on those guys, so I

1294
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 7: don't know what the communication was. But clearly Joel in

1295
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 7: the center thought they were working defensive tackle to the linebacker,

1296
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 7: and Jed took a wide footwork to be able to

1297
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 7: double or double team and reach block the defensive end,

1298
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 7: thinking Joel protected his inside. Well, Joel wasn't there because

1299
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 7: the communication and there they weren't on the same page.

1300
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 7: The defensive end runs in the backfield tackles are back

1301
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 7: for minus seven. Jed looks confused or lazy, like he

1302
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 7: doesn't know what he's doing. But it was just a

1303
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 7: matter of not communicating to your guard and being on

1304
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 7: the same page, like, Hey, are you working with me

1305
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 7: or am I by myself? Because if I'm by myself,

1306
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 7: I got to take tighter footwork and I got a

1307
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 7: reel in turn if this guy makes an inside move

1308
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 7: on me, and I can't just keep working at the

1309
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 7: second level. So being on the same page is so important.

1310
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 7: And in their first fourth season working together, you have

1311
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 7: to have the expectation that they're gonna.

1312
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question the other thing, Hofen that we're

1313
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: a month into this thing, so I you know, I

1314
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: think there are and obviously no Deshaun Yesterday's an enormous factor.

1315
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: But you know, with the loss of Nick Chubb, I'm

1316
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: wondering where the explosive plays are going to come from offensively,

1317
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: because we haven't really seen those yet either. Obviously, hope

1318
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: Watson can do that when he returns and he's healthy,

1319
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: and I want to ask you about that in a second.

1320
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Speaker 2: But in terms of where this roster is without Nick

1321
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: Chubb's explosiveness, where will do.

1322
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Speaker 3: You have to have that?

1323
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you watch Buffalo, you watch Kansas City, you

1324
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 2: watch the teams that you're trying to track down. They

1325
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: all have that home run ability. I'm wondering where it

1326
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: comes from for us.

1327
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Speaker 7: I think you have to have explosive plays. In today's

1328
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 7: it's hard to go eight, ten, twelve plays and eighty

1329
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 7: r not realistic because defenses are so good. But even

1330
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 7: if you start a drive and you've got a theme going,

1331
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 7: they know how to quickly go to a different scheme

1332
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 7: on defense to stop what you're doing, and it exposes

1333
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 7: him in other areas and you've got to be ready

1334
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 7: to adjust. But you have to have that big playability

1335
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 7: to be able to score in one or two plays

1336
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 7: on a drive, to be able to keep yourself in

1337
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 7: some of these games that maybe the run game isn't

1338
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 7: working and so I think the hope is that Deshaun's back.

1339
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 7: It's when he scrambles, gets outside the pocket, and you

1340
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 7: got this talented and fast receiving core that's going to

1341
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 7: be able to break open and get behind the defense

1342
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 7: because they are so fast with Elijah Moore and Marquise Goodwin.

1343
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 7: But you're right, you haven't seen it, and if there

1344
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 7: was ever a game that you wanted to see it, it

1345
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 7: would have been this week with no running game and

1346
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 7: with the quarterback that's struggling to do anything consistently completing

1347
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 7: the football.

1348
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right about that.

1349
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 4: I think that you know, sometimes a shot place have

1350
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 4: been there at and HAF it does feel like take

1351
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 4: even for example, I thought it was a brilliant play

1352
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 4: design to go with Harrison Brian in the sneak and

1353
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 4: then he pitches it back to DTR and you have

1354
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 4: Amari Cooper running in for an easy touchdown, and again

1355
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 4: DFR has got to heave it because one guy breaks

1356
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 4: down in pass protection all of a sudden, then he's

1357
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 4: forced to kind of throw that one on the run.

1358
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 4: You get the pass interference. But it does feel like

1359
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 4: whenever we get ourselves in good opportunities for big plays,

1360
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 4: chunk plays down the field. Those are the plays where

1361
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 4: our protection one guy gets beat and all of a

1362
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 4: sudden it throttles the play. And I think that we

1363
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 4: talk all the time football is a ultimate team sport,

1364
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 4: and it feels like we cannot get out of our

1365
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 4: own way in those situations. And really that's been the

1366
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 4: theme of the season, right turning losing a turnover battle

1367
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 4: every game. We haven't been able to get out of

1368
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 4: our own way. And yet we're still two and two

1369
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 4: and are probably all pissed that we're not three and one.

1370
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's pretty remarkable to sit at two and two thinking,

1371
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 7: especially that you couldn't have done anything more to try

1372
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 7: to lose the Dealers game, and it has not been

1373
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 7: for a bad call, and the officials at the end

1374
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 7: of the game still might probably win that game. And

1375
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 7: so I think maybe there's the glasses half full perspective

1376
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 7: thinking about it that way, But certainly the frustration has

1377
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 7: to be building in the sense of urgency. He has

1378
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 7: to as well, knowing that this is a really talented team.

1379
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 7: You're two and two and you haven't done hardly anything

1380
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 7: that a good team does. Protect the football, make the

1381
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 7: plays and the critical moments, being able to execute and

1382
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 7: capitalize on the opportunities. He's done none of those things

1383
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 7: on offense, and yet you're still two and two. So hey,

1384
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 7: is that something that should panic us or should it

1385
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 7: make us hopeful and optimistic for the future. All of

1386
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 7: the fans at home decide that one.

1387
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, off the you know, Datha, I talked about this

1388
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 2: off the top. I want to get your view on

1389
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: it as well. We were all expecting I think that

1390
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson would play on Sunday. He went out, he

1391
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: gave it a couple of throws and said, I can't

1392
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,479
Speaker 2: and nobody. I'm not questioning he knows his body better

1393
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: than anybody else.

1394
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 3: But is there caught?

1395
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: Should a discussion be had, and should there one be

1396
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: had behind closed doors? Maybe not even publicly about the

1397
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 2: dialogue between player and coach, because it does feel like

1398
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: the Browns were very much anticipating him playing on Sunday,

1399
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: and I don't know if they were even concerning it

1400
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: would be that close of a call on Sunday.

1401
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1402
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 7: Just being at the practice on Saturday and talking with

1403
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 7: coach to Fancy, I think there was no doubt in

1404
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 7: anybody's mind that DeShawn was going to play. Now, I

1405
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 7: wasn't there for practice this week, and so I guess

1406
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 7: I didn't see him, and i'd heard he really didn't

1407
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 7: take many throws, and I think the anticipation was, Hey,

1408
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 7: we're not going to throw you this week a whole lot.

1409
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 7: Get that shoulder right. We feel comfortable with our plan

1410
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 7: that once Sunday comes around, you'll be able to take

1411
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 7: all the throws. And then when Sunday came and he

1412
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 7: came out for warm ups, he just didn't have their

1413
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 7: arm strength to get it there because of that shoulder injury.

1414
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 7: I don't know what the full plan is, but certainly

1415
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 7: they need to do some after action report and look

1416
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 7: back and say, Okay, this can't happen again. We spent

1417
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 7: the whole week preparing, planning, game planning that Deshawn's the quarterback,

1418
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, it's not fair to our

1419
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 7: rookie backup to put him in the game. To throw

1420
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 7: them out there against one of the better defenses in

1421
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 7: the NFL without having taken the reps during the week,

1422
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 7: without having thrown with his receivers, and without a game

1423
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 7: plan that fits what he does well as much as

1424
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 7: him and DeShawn are fairly similar as far as their

1425
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 7: skill level with their talents, like both fairly good scrambling,

1426
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 7: throwing quarterbacks, but still they do things differently and there's

1427
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 7: plays that DFR are going to be comfortable with that

1428
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 7: you want to put in your game plan right to

1429
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 7: give him the best opportunity for success. And so having

1430
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 7: a situation like that is the worst case scenario for

1431
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 7: a rookie and for this team. And so you got

1432
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 7: to figure out where did we go wrong? Because clearly

1433
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 7: there was either an anticipation or an expectation mistake, or

1434
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 7: there was a communication error that DeShawn or somebody was

1435
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 7: giving us news and feelings that DeShawn was going to

1436
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 7: be going and then something happened and he couldn't do it.

1437
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's frustrating.

1438
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 4: And how take us into the mind of players, because

1439
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 4: the week is here. You know, you've got the Niners

1440
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 4: come into town, who, right now, I think it's pretty

1441
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 4: safe to say, is the best and most complete team

1442
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 4: in the National Football League. Just to us, it feels

1443
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 4: like in the media and the fan base right the

1444
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 4: loss going into a bye week lingers so much longer

1445
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 4: because you don't have the ability to kind of flesh it,

1446
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 4: turn the page, get ready for your next opponent, and

1447
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 4: then play later that week, whereas the win, it feels like,

1448
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 4: would last just as long, you know, the two weeks

1449
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 4: as well. Did player do you as a player, did

1450
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 4: you guys ever think about that like going in the

1451
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 4: bye week, that going in on a win.

1452
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: Or a loss, that it that it mattered at all?

1453
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 4: Or is it just kind of get away from football

1454
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 4: and then come back and get back into the routine.

1455
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 7: So I think having a win going into a bye

1456
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 7: week it was always important for me for a lot

1457
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 7: of reasons. One, usually your coach was a little bit

1458
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 7: more lenient and nice as far as how many days

1459
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 7: he got off and how they took care of the

1460
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 7: body where you got your butt with. They were pretty

1461
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 7: likely to make you have some pretty tough practices and

1462
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 7: it was like payback time for the coaching staff and

1463
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 7: they were going to be be all week, so obviously

1464
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 7: you wanted to try to avoid that. But I think

1465
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 7: for the most part, players do a pretty good job

1466
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 7: of realizing, hey, this is my one chance to have

1467
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 7: a mental refresh during the season. So no matter what

1468
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 7: happens on Sunday at some point in the next couple

1469
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 7: of days. You got to get your mind away from football.

1470
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 7: You got to find a way to unplug, to be

1471
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 7: able to recharge your batteries, because when we come back,

1472
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 7: it full go of the rest of the season, and

1473
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 7: there's a long season ahead with a lot at stake,

1474
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 7: and we're right in the midst of it. And so

1475
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 7: you got to find a way to be able to

1476
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 7: forget about this and not let it linger. Now you

1477
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 7: want it to sing so that it motivates you to

1478
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 7: make the corrections you need to be better when you

1479
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 7: come back, but you do by the time whenever they're

1480
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 7: fully off I'm not sure what their schedules like this week,

1481
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 7: but whenever they're able to get away from the building,

1482
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 7: they need to do whatever they can to unplug get

1483
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 7: away so they recharge that mental battery.

1484
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and Z and I went over the

1485
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: schedule like it's brutal coming out, but then it's a

1486
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: pretty soft last seven games. So everything that you want

1487
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 2: to accomplish is there for you. You just have to

1488
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: get rolling in the right direction here when you come

1489
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: back from the very very early bye week, still so

1490
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: much more to come with the Hoff. We will continue

1491
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Speaker 6: wait till next time. I will tell you if you

1518
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 6: want any more.

1519
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 3: From the booth. I could see it like sparkling yesterday. Yeah,

1520
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 3: so what is it? Describe it?

1521
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 6: Significantly larger than I expected.

1522
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 3: Huge.

1523
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 6: Shut that one up, Gibbee, and you can use that

1524
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 6: for the rest of the season.

1525
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 3: It is huge.

1526
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 6: It looks a lot like, honestly, a Super Bowl ring,

1527
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 6: not that I have one, but size wise, it's uncomfortable

1528
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 6: to wear on your finger because it's so large.

1529
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1530
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 6: It's got a beautiful blue some type of stone and

1531
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 6: then a big, beautiful diamond in the middle, with diamonds everywhere.

1532
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 6: It's got your Hall of Fame bust on one side.

1533
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 6: It says Pro Football of Fame, which I think is

1534
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 6: really cool, cool, and I think it was lost on

1535
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 6: me a little bit that it's not the NFL Hall

1536
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 6: of Fame. It is the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

1537
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 6: which is that little nuance is kind of cool. After

1538
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 6: getting it and going back up to the suite that

1539
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 6: we were in with all of our family, it was

1540
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 6: really special for me to be able to give it

1541
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 6: to my mom, have her put it on her finger,

1542
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 6: take a picture, give it to my dad, give it

1543
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 6: to my in laws. My kids all wanted to take

1544
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 6: a picture. And whenever you can still do something that

1545
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 6: makes your kids and your parents proud, that is athletic,

1546
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 6: even though I've got no more athleticism in my body, it.

1547
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 3: Feels really good.

1548
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 6: It feels really good, and that was that was special,

1549
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 6: Like just to see how how cool they thought that was.

1550
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question, because no a second,

1551
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 3: no athleticism left in.

1552
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 9: Get out of here.

1553
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 3: Guy's got a thirty eight pack right now.

1554
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, did you know that the ring

1555
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: came with the jacket when you first found out?

1556
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 6: I did not really know about that.

1557
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: I never heard of a Hall of Fame ring. I

1558
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: did you to get the gold jacket? I had no

1559
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: idea that there was.

1560
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 6: And the jacket is amazing and it's cool being relevant

1561
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 6: and recent that you come to an event and they

1562
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 6: ask you, hey, can you wear the jacket? So it

1563
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 6: gives you a great opportunity, But I know that's going

1564
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 6: to wear off, Like I'm not gonna be wearing the

1565
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 6: jacket at date night at the country club with the wife.

1566
01:11:55,439 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 3: Like there's only a few places take at my house.

1567
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:02,799
Speaker 9: May see what happens.

1568
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: Christmas dinner at the clubb Christmas dinner might be allowed.

1569
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 6: But I feel like the opportunity to wear that jacket

1570
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 6: is probably going to be fewer and fewer other than

1571
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame or like football Brownsie type events. But

1572
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 6: with that ring, like you can wear that a little

1573
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 6: bit more often. And I feel like, especially when you're

1574
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 6: around your kids or something like that, where they want like,

1575
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 6: come on, dad, wear your ring. It gives you a

1576
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 6: great opportunity to have something a little more subtle than

1577
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 6: a giant gold jacket with a six foot by six

1578
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 6: foot patch on my breast.

1579
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 3: Giant did.

1580
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 4: I did not. I did know that people went in

1581
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 4: the w W Hall of Fame got a Hall of

1582
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 4: Fame ring, but I did not know.

1583
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I thought it was the jacket jack.

1584
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 2: I mean more more, it's amazing, incredible bonus we are,

1585
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: we are what amounts to be a quarter of the

1586
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: way through the NFL season. It's kind of seems, guys

1587
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 2: that the overwhelming thing that jumps to my head when

1588
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 2: as I say that out loud, was just the injuries.

1589
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: Tredevie is white down yesterday. We have had the most

1590
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 2: significant injuries Rogers on opening night, Nick Chubb, which we

1591
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: saw like just a ton of injuries, Conklin. So many

1592
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: injuries around the league for just a quarter in Does

1593
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 2: it seem like it is more than normal? Or is

1594
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 2: or are we just am I just maybe just because

1595
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 2: it hit us so hard? Yes, and yes, yeah, injuries

1596
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: are weird.

1597
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 6: It's like memories, like everyone always says, oh, the time

1598
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 6: went so fast, Like for me, I can't believe I've

1599
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 6: been retired six years. I can't believe my rookie year

1600
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 6: was sixteen years ago. Because you remember just like big

1601
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 6: moments through time, and so with injuries, those are big

1602
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 6: moments in your season and big moments in the NFL season,

1603
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 6: so you just remember them. They're in the front of

1604
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 6: your mind. And I do remember though almost every year

1605
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 6: of my career thinking the exact same thing. Yes, I

1606
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 6: can't believe how many injuries there are it seems like

1607
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 6: more people are getting injured this year. Now. I don't

1608
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 6: know if that's just my perception, but I would love

1609
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 6: if the NFL, and I'm sure they're following it, just

1610
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 6: to kind of see like, are there really more injuries

1611
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 6: right now? Are there less injuries or is it just

1612
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 6: more to key players or is it just always the

1613
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 6: way it is because they're so devastating to a team

1614
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 6: and a franchise and they're so in your face with

1615
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 6: NFL news that we think about it that much more,

1616
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 6: and so we have this perception that there's always more injuries.

1617
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 4: Every year, and fantasy. I think fantasy has.

1618
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: A lot to do with it of the injuries. What

1619
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 3: hits us and this year is that I mean, you're

1620
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 3: talking about faces of the league with.

1621
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 4: You lost Aaron Rodgers, who was the story of the league,

1622
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 4: the Jets or the story of the league, and then

1623
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 4: that's just been completely derailed, vaporized in four plays, I

1624
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 4: mean vaporized. So I think I think we have this

1625
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 4: conversation at this time of your every single year.

1626
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 6: I feel like there's.

1627
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 4: Always there's so many It looks it is a tough game,

1628
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 4: and in many cases it's the best team but it's

1629
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 4: also the team that can stay the healthy that that

1630
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 4: is going to ultimately have success in this league.

1631
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 3: All right, quick hitters. Most impressive team through four games, Mmm,

1632
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 3: San Francisco Niners easily. I don't even I think second

1633
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 3: is eighth.

1634
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 4: I would if the Dolphins had gone up to Buffalo

1635
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 4: and won that game, they would be the other answer.

1636
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,879
Speaker 4: But the way that the Bills throttled them was pretty impressive.

1637
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 6: I'm gonna throw a wild card out there for you guys.

1638
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 3: The Lions.

1639
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 6: Now I'm biased because I just did their game on

1640
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 6: radio on Thursday, but they lovely jack the way, thank

1641
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 6: you very much, much help from the great z over here.

1642
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 6: The experience pro but seeing them in person and seeing

1643
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 6: their balance, to me, it reminded me of forty nine

1644
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 6: ers light. It was diet forty nine ers because they

1645
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 6: run the football, their physical They don't spread you out

1646
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 6: as much as San Francisco does because they like to

1647
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 6: play a little bit more condensed with extra tight ends,

1648
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 6: but the same creative type, horizontal run scheme, play action pass,

1649
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 6: tough defense like that's going to be a tough out

1650
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 6: and I don't know where the season goes. I think

1651
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 6: injuries are going to play a lot large part. But

1652
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 6: they look good from top to bottom.

1653
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 4: And they're gonna add Jamison Williams to that mix, which

1654
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 4: is going to give.

1655
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 6: Them a whole the offense doesn't have. Is that deep

1656
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 6: threat right now? That field stretcher. Now change the rule.

1657
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 3: No, he's bad. No six games. No, they changed the

1658
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 3: rule when Friday, Friday, five o'clock.

1659
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 4: They changed the gambling role effective immediately. Jamison Williams, he's

1660
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 4: playing this week. Two or three guys that you can

1661
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 4: start today, the two Lions.

1662
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? Game dress gambling. They changed the policy.

1663
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 4: Jameson Williams is Jameson Williams is playing this week.

1664
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 6: That's outrageous.

1665
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 3: Wow he's back, baby, Wow.

1666
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 4: And the ans somebody who has him in every single

1667
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 4: fantasy because they're right, and I waited last year didn't

1668
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 4: work out.

1669
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna redraft him again. Yeah, he's back, baby. Jonathan

1670
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 2: Ta by the way, also back. His practice will open

1671
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: on Wednesday.

1672
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 4: Taylor can be back. Cooper Cup can be back.

1673
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 9: They said. The biggest change made changing the punishment for

1674
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 9: players who gamble on non NFL games at the facility

1675
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 9: from six games to two games.

1676
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he should have actually only been out two games,

1677
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 4: so now it's two games. I think then it goes

1678
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 4: like to six and then it's a year or something

1679
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 4: like that if you get his money back.

1680
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 9: They also they also agreed to reduce the suspensions for

1681
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 9: three players who were suspended a few weeks ago for

1682
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,799
Speaker 9: gamble got non NFL games from six games to four games.

1683
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 5: Wow?

1684
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 6: Was that an arbitration thing or did the NFL just

1685
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 6: they visit their policy players union and something came out

1686
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 6: of this.

1687
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 9: It was literally at five thirty girls right like Adam

1688
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 9: Schifter is like, oh, by the way, this happened to today,

1689
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 9: and wow, these guys are all back on. I was like,

1690
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 9: wait what?

1691
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 4: And then they changed it if you bet on the NFL.

1692
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 4: They made those penalties much harsher now. First one is

1693
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 4: a year, second one is two years, third is lifetime.

1694
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 3: You're done.

1695
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 4: Wow, it seems banishment fairer.

1696
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 3: Yes.

1697
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they should be able to bet on

1698
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 4: anything that isn't in the NFL. I don't think, and

1699
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 4: I don't care where they like, why is it okay

1700
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 4: if I'm doing it?

1701
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1702
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 4: Two minutes away, sure, as opposed to in this parking lot, Like.

1703
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 6: What make And they clearly have admitted that it's not

1704
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 6: as big of a deal by reducing the suspension. So

1705
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 6: it's almost like, well, why is there even the rule?

1706
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 11: Then?

1707
01:17:55,960 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, most disappointing team through the the first.

1708
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 4: Quarter, Well it's the Jets and it's not their fault.

1709
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 3: Take injury out of it. Take injury out of it.

1710
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 4: Most disappointing team that we would you say that Joe

1711
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 4: Burrows played every game, So does he count as being

1712
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 4: injured because it's the bank.

1713
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 2: Well that's a big I don't know if you had

1714
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: it on in the suite by chance, but they they

1715
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,799
Speaker 2: cannot press the ball down the field at all. Nothing,

1716
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 2: They can't do anything deep. It was kind of a

1717
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 2: coaching mal fevens. It reminded me of what happened with

1718
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 2: Justin Fields here a couple of years ago, where they

1719
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 2: just it's like they're trying to throw.

1720
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 3: Him healthy Joe. It's the craziest damn thing, and he's not.

1721
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: So it's they have real big problems, like we're two

1722
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 2: and two. We wish we were three and one, feel

1723
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 2: like we should be three and one. Yes, they're one

1724
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 2: and three and are maybe lucky they're one and three.

1725
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 6: Well they rely so much on the quarterback doing superhuman

1726
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,440
Speaker 6: things with his decision making and his accuracy and distributing

1727
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 6: the football to his playmakers, that when you lose just

1728
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 6: a little bit of that, I mean, it totally cripples

1729
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,919
Speaker 6: the entire team. Now, their defense was very well balanced

1730
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 6: and well rounded, and they can kind of play that

1731
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 6: matchup game because they could be whoever they wanted to be.

1732
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 6: But I think the loss of their two safeties, honestly,

1733
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 6: is a very underreported story right now because that defense

1734
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 6: was really I mean, that got him to the Super Bowl.

1735
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, those guys had eight interceptions combined last year, and

1736
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 4: you lose.

1737
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 6: You got the middle of your back end like that.

1738
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 6: It's tough to recover from, especially you compound that with

1739
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 6: now your quarterback's not the same guy he was last year.

1740
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 4: I love that he said that, because remember we were

1741
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 4: interviewing somebody from the Bengals.

1742
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 3: Jane Morrison, and I was like, yeah, I feel.

1743
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 4: Like nobody's talking about the fact they just got rid

1744
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 4: of their starting safeties and everything's gonna just be fine,

1745
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 4: Like it's all gonna be fine. We got a journeyman

1746
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 4: fifth rounder from the Rams who started one year in

1747
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 4: Scott and then Dax Hill didn't really play much, and

1748
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 4: obviously they drafted him from succession planning and that, but yeah,

1749
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 4: I thought it was wild that there's just like, oh, yeah,

1750
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 4: everything's just gonna be great.

1751
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 3: Everything's fine.

1752
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 9: Are your runner ups for that? For your little thing?

1753
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 9: The Vikings, Chargers Jaggs.

1754
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 3: Are doing too. Jags are They're two Jags, Chargers are.

1755
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 2: If you watch the Chargers play Bronco, the positions that

1756
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 2: that coach puts in Broncos, I was going to mention the.

1757
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 4: Bron defenses massively disappointed.

1758
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 2: I thought the Bears would struggle. They felt like a

1759
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 2: team that would struggle to me. But the yeah, Denver

1760
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 2: being that bad, they're really fortunate.

1761
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 4: I'll give you another one. And I know they're two

1762
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 4: and two. But the fact that the Atlanta Falcons did

1763
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 4: what they did is by the week becomes more insane.

1764
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 4: B John Robinson's awesome, not saying that he's not. I

1765
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 4: think he's a tremendous player, but the fact that they

1766
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:32,520
Speaker 4: did not get a quarterback that could even play two straight.

1767
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: Drafts, buddy, they could have done it the year before

1768
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 2: when they drafted Drake London or Drake London.

1769
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, two years ago.

1770
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 4: If I'm them, if I'm the Bears right now, Okay,

1771
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 4: I have my pick and I have Carolina's pick. At

1772
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 4: this point, you want to you want to go one too,

1773
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 4: You want to go Williams, Corman, Harrison. So yeah, and

1774
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 4: those are the two winless teams in the NFL. So

1775
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 4: it's in play, right, you just say, let's just send fields.

1776
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 4: If I'm Atlanta, I'm like, we'll take your guy, go tank,

1777
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 4: give us feel give me might in that offense too.

1778
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 4: You put him in a dome, you put him in

1779
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 4: a fast track. You've got big weapons. Pits is huge,

1780
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 4: Drake Lennon is huge. You've got big targets. So if

1781
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 4: he's not the most accurate, like you got guys with

1782
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 4: big catch radiuses, I don't know. I mean, why would

1783
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 4: you not I think them not going for Lamar Jackson

1784
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 4: when it was like an in play that Lamar Jackson

1785
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 4: could be on the move last year. It's crazy you

1786
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 4: put Lamar Jackson that Falcons team. They're the third best

1787
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:24,879
Speaker 4: team in the in the NFC.

1788
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 3: Don't know problem with that. I don't know problem with

1789
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 3: that at all.

1790
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 2: What do you make of the fact that Bill Belichick

1791
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 2: up beat the worst he's ever been beaten as a

1792
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: head coach on Sunday. What I've always said about Bill

1793
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 2: Belichick is that he's the greatest coach of all time.

1794
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: But the difference between him and number two is very small.

1795
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 2: And the credit he got between the difference between him

1796
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 2: and number two was that there was this chasm, but it.

1797
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 6: Wasn't like that. You just didn't realize it because he

1798
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 6: had Tom Brady, who was the ultimate eracer. And so

1799
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 6: now that you don't have that guy at quarterback, even

1800
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 6: though he's still a great coach, the tiny mistakes that

1801
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 6: Belichick has made in person now they're coming back. They're large,

1802
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 6: all right, Larger, consistent, inconsistent. You can't overcome that stuff. Yeah,

1803
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 6: And so the fact that they're getting their butts beat

1804
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 6: in and they don't look like there's any hope and

1805
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 6: that they've got no playmakers, it's not a surprise to

1806
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 6: me at all, because I've been saying it for a while,

1807
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 6: like Belichick's amazing, but him versus you pick a middle

1808
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 6: of the road coach in the NFL, it's not that

1809
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 6: big of a difference. But being there for a long time,

1810
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 6: having a system that people just plug into, having Tom

1811
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 6: Brady making sure that everybody falls in line with everything

1812
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 6: they do. That was their secret to success, and so

1813
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 6: the fact that they're struggling without Brady is not a

1814
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 6: surprise to me.

1815
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 4: So they had the you know, he and Joe Montana,

1816
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 4: the two goats. They had one of the two goats

1817
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 4: at quarterback, and he never put them in a financial situation.

1818
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 3: That's one of the I.

1819
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 4: Think that's the more most underreport things about his career

1820
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 4: is that he never was He always kept himself kind

1821
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 4: of in the middle of the pack.

1822
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 3: With the way he did it. Never demanded Mannings, did

1823
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 3: not Yah, he did it to me.

1824
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 6: That's kind of what led to his departure a little bit.

1825
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 6: He was always like, I'm taking less money, I'm doing

1826
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 6: all these things for the franchise, and you still don't

1827
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 6: give me any love.

1828
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:05,919
Speaker 9: You still don't.

1829
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 6: Respect me the way I should be respect him. Yeah, yeah, No,

1830
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 6: I think it contributes as well. All right, give me

1831
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 6: wants to know your top four teams in the NFL

1832
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 6: at the quarter pole, Top four, Top four, Top four.

1833
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 4: San Francisco, Miami, Philly, Kansas City. I scually I should

1834
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 4: probably put Bufalo in over plump them. So Buffalo, which

1835
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 4: are basically the four teams we thought at the beginning.

1836
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: How odd is that that Buffalo loses the opener after

1837
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: Rogers goes down and has been slump city since they've

1838
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 2: dominated people.

1839
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, since they've ridiculous, hard.

1840
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,839
Speaker 6: To argue with anybody there. I would still keep Miami

1841
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 6: in there because.

1842
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 3: The top five.

1843
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,959
Speaker 6: I think those five I think there's recency bias. Obviously,

1844
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 6: if you're a Bills fan, you're going to, well, come on,

1845
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 6: we just beat him. But I still think what Miami

1846
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 6: has been doing is something that's going to carry through

1847
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 6: as a theme the whole season. And yeah, they lost

1848
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 6: this one, but I think overall, if you give them

1849
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 6: five head to head matchups with the Bills, I think

1850
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 6: Miami's gonna win three out of the five.

1851
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm curious, So your fifth was Dallas? No, my fifth

1852
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 3: would be Miami, San Francisco, Buffalo, Kansas City, Miami. Who

1853
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 3: am I missing? Philly? Oh, Philly? I think those five

1854
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 3: teams are Philly still is not.

1855
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 5: No.

1856
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 3: But they haven't gone yet. They have not gone, and

1857
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 3: they're undefeated.

1858
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 2: Yeah they yeah, they're just they haven't gotten going the

1859
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 2: way that they.

1860
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 3: Should know and yet and yet they haven't lost. They

1861
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 3: have not lost, never lost, No.

1862
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 6: But I think that's kind of that team though. They

1863
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 6: they're a find a way to win team. They're a

1864
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 6: balanced team. Their quarterback's good, but he's never going to

1865
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 6: be Patrick Mahomes, and so they're going to just be

1866
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 6: able to kind of morph a little bit and win

1867
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 6: however they have to. And I think that's kind of

1868
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 6: like their superpower is they don't have to beat you

1869
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 6: one way.

1870
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 3: No, they can beat it in a lot of ways. But they're.

1871
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 4: They have not clicked yet on offense, and when they do,

1872
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 4: then they can start slumping people.

1873
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 3: As he always says, they start every series first nine.

1874
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 3: It's true.

1875
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: So that helps they block it and they get that's

1876
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 2: a good one that Jalen Carter.

1877
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 3: Dude is a game wrecker in the middle. That defense,

1878
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 3: they lose hard rave and they just add he's the

1879
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: fast overall player in the draft. We'll just throw him

1880
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 3: in there. Yeah.

1881
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,480
Speaker 2: I mean, if if you were to bet your vast estates,

1882
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 2: it's got to be San Francisco and Kansas City, isn't it,

1883
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,919
Speaker 2: Like are you really going to bet against Mahomes?

1884
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 3: That's what you like?

1885
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 4: I mean right now, if the super Bowl if there

1886
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 4: aren't catastrophic injuries those teams. If the Super Bowl teams

1887
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 4: do not come from those five teams, I'd be shocked.

1888
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. Shocked.

1889
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it feels like real separation there. Yeah,

1890
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: the Dallas.

1891
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 3: Injuries are pretty brutal in terms of.

1892
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 6: What happened against Arizona. It's just too burned into my

1893
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 6: memory to forget totally. This team is trying to lose,

1894
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 6: and you got your butts stopped.

1895
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 3: They play the Niners this week on Sunday Night Football.

1896
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 3: That's gonna be a good one.

1897
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that'll be it gonna be a lot

1898
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 2: of fun. Uh, give me wants your top three quarterbacks

1899
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 2: a month?

1900
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 3: Then in the league?

1901
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 4: Yep, Mahomes, Hebert, Herbert's playing elite football and probably I

1902
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,839
Speaker 4: mean it's gotta be two ur Josh Allen, right.

1903
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 6: Fair, I like Tua in there.

1904
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 4: I'm curious to see what happens with Miami next week.

1905
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 4: Like you know, there's a copycat league. So is there

1906
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 4: something that Buffalo did schematically that is people are going

1907
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 4: to pick up on and be able to use because

1908
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 4: it's not like their personnel is elite, right, now they

1909
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 4: don't have on you know, they don't have I'd have

1910
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 4: to look at this.

1911
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 3: I'm just curious to see.

1912
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 4: If Miami, like, say, they have that, and then they

1913
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 4: go right back out and drop another thirty forty spot.

1914
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 4: You're like, Okay, they're fine or did was there something cracked?

1915
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 6: Right, It's gonna slow them down. That's the fun part

1916
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 6: of an NFL season. It's like every two weeks you've

1917
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 6: got to change and become somebody new. Yeah, because what

1918
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 6: you do well, they're gonna come up with a game

1919
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 6: plan that's built to stop that. So you got to

1920
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 6: be able to pivot and morph. And for Mike McDaniels,

1921
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 6: as a young coach, you have all the answers when

1922
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,839
Speaker 6: you're playing again static x's and o's on the chalkboard totally.

1923
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,759
Speaker 6: But as soon as those x's and o's are changing

1924
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 6: and morphing, how quickly can you become a new version

1925
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 6: of yourself and change what you're doing on offense to

1926
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 6: take advantage of how teams are not playing you.

1927
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that was a red zone one for me.

1928
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 2: So they it's fourteen fourteen, Yes, it was like those

1929
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: twenty one fourteen and then it's punt to two possessions

1930
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,799
Speaker 2: of punt punt. Buffalo had one too, and then Buffalo

1931
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 2: goes touchdown and then the turnover happens. So at that point,

1932
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 2: then you're chasing it. Yeah, at that point, so then

1933
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 2: you're down to two full scores and then you're you're

1934
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 2: kind of chasing a little bit in terms of way

1935
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 2: that that thing goes.

1936
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

1937
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 2: I think these are the those are the teams that

1938
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 2: have certainly separated from from the pack. Yeah, it's been

1939
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 2: those those that group of them, and we got one tonight.

1940
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 2: This it's been pretty lackluster on the primetime.

1941
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 4: I'd like this to be a good game. This could

1942
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 4: be a fun game.

1943
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1944
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: I'm kind of I don't know, I'm kind of fatigued

1945
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 2: on this one in terms of just this does not

1946
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 2: appear to be like a lot of fun to watch.

1947
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 3: This one. Seattle and the Giants.

1948
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Speaker 6: Seattle doesn't have the juice for me because as much

1949
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 6: as Gino is playing well, like, in my mind, he's

1950
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 6: still not a starting elite quarterback in the NFL, And

1951
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 6: it's hard for me to get excited about a team

1952
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 6: that you just don't feel like they have the horses

1953
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 6: to be competitive at the end of the season.

1954
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 2: All right, we will get our scores on that coming

1955
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 2: up next. You listen to Cleveland Browns Daily on a

1956
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1957
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1958
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1959
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 2: All right, it is Seeattle, it is the g men,

1960
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 2: givee you want to do it. This is your this

1961
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: is your operation pal Is when it comes to.

1962
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 9: The scores, all right, Seahawks pretty good team, but coming

1963
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 9: east to face the g men never been on board

1964
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 9: this year. Frankly, I think they suck and Daniel Joe

1965
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 9: should never have been paid what he got paid.

1966
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,719
Speaker 2: If you were curious what Gibby thinks about the apparently

1967
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:06,799
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones are no longer carrious.

1968
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 4: You should have just given the Seahawks huge.

1969
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 6: It does it?

1970
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:12,560
Speaker 5: So?

1971
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 9: Girl, lead us off.

1972
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still feeling I'm feeling good about this Seattle team.

1973
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 4: I think that you know, got to get Jackson Smith

1974
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,839
Speaker 4: and jigbun Lock, but they got Metcalf, they got Locket.

1975
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 3: I think they're just a better team.

1976
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker looks like Saquan's out again makes them kind

1977
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:27,839
Speaker 4: of one dimensioned them being the Giants.

1978
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 3: So I like the Seahawks. Is that known?

1979
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,759
Speaker 4: It's he's doubtful at all? Ninety eight giants one.

1980
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 6: Joe Tom, Yeah, I like Seattle three giants zero. I

1981
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 6: do not believe in the Giants. They're just in disarray.

1982
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 6: Daniel Jones just way too slow processing the game.

1983
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, without without Saquon.

1984
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 2: I was kind of going to ride the home dog

1985
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 2: a little bit in this one, but uh no, it's

1986
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 2: hard to find.

1987
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 3: A path forward. I like.

1988
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 2: I like Seattle as well in this one by three

1989
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 2: in a tight one, you have a chance to equal

1990
01:29:59,439 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 2: the record.

1991
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 4: Yes, it's with away and you could get it. Thirteen

1992
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 4: and two this week right now? I went fourteen too?

1993
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 4: Is that week one one right out of the gate?

1994
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 2: Oh baby, I'll ever go there, Bay come great seeing

1995
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Speaker 2: you hof and what a weekend.

1996
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Speaker 6: Thank you guys.

1997
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Speaker 9: It's always great to be with you.

1998
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Speaker 3: All right.

1999
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2000
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2001
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