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Speaker 1: Mmm, Hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once

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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you

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Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history. And today we're talking about a man

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Speaker 1: who I truly believe is the worst person of the

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Speaker 1: twenty one century. Now, by the end of this episode,

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Speaker 1: you'll either agree with me or you won't. But to

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Speaker 1: join me on this journey, this odyssey, this epic quest,

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Speaker 1: are two of my very favorite people, Jamie Loftus and

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Speaker 1: Maggie may Fish. Jamie, you are yeah, you guys. You

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Speaker 1: guys should introduce yourself very quiet. That was breathier than

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Speaker 1: I was intent day for. I had to copy it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the A S. M R. Crowd's really going to appreciate

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Speaker 1: that one. I can't maintain sexy baby for what appears

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Speaker 1: will be the length of this episode. It's okay, you

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Speaker 1: know what else they're going to appreciate. That was a

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Speaker 1: beautiful A Derrito's corn Bay snack. I had better try

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Speaker 1: one myself. From our party size bag. We've got both

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Speaker 1: Blaze and nacho cheese. I have never tried Blaze. I'm

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Speaker 1: it's been a while since we talked about Dorrito's on

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Speaker 1: the show, and for no reason that I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Right now, we're back into one baby, so

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Speaker 1: Derritos will be accompanying us through this journey into the

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Speaker 1: heart of Mark nous. Love that moisture, sucking dust it

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Speaker 1: really it really distracted everyone from my terrible Mark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did skip right over that and to appreciate it

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Speaker 1: that that's the beauty of Doritos. We can only let

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Speaker 1: two more fly. Unfortunately, really blew one right at the top.

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Speaker 1: Derrito's nature sin remover, I could be one over. You're weak.

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Speaker 1: That's your forget me now, the world's forgetting me now,

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Speaker 1: Rufie your shame with Derrito's corn Bay snacks. Anyway, almost

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Speaker 1: started Mark Zuckerberg speaking of marketing bad ideas. Okay, Mark

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Speaker 1: Zuckerberg already, Yeah, let's get into it. In the Year

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Speaker 1: of Our Lord two thousand seventeen, I made three trips

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Speaker 1: into the Iraqi city of Mosel. It was at that

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Speaker 1: point still partly occupied by Isis, who the locals just

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Speaker 1: called Josh. I spent many hours huddled in small rooms

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Speaker 1: tense anxiety, you start to get bored. And the mobile

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Speaker 1: internet and MOSEL was actually pretty good, surprisingly good, better

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Speaker 1: than it is in Los Angeles. Sometimes so periodically, when

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Speaker 1: I should have been doing literally anything else, I would

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Speaker 1: time in particular, I was embedded with a small unit

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Speaker 1: of guys from the Iraqi ninth Federal Police Battalion. Things

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Speaker 1: were exploding about a football field away from us, and

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Speaker 1: I was facebooking. A bomb went off nearby, and I

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Speaker 1: looked up from my smartphone and realized that everyone in

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Speaker 1: browsing Facebook. Of the room was on Facebook. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you this story because I want to start this

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Speaker 1: week's podcast about Mark Zuckerberg by acknowledging his genius. I'm

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Speaker 1: about to spend about four hours tearing him apart as

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Speaker 1: a human being, But in my opinion, he is undeniably

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Speaker 1: a brilliant man. Anyone who builds something so universally desired

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Speaker 1: objectively brilliant in the same way that's say, Heroin is brilliant.

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Speaker 1: So that's my little intro. Yeah, I like it, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into this ship. A lot of digital ink

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Speaker 1: I want to make it clear off the bat that, well,

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Speaker 1: tend to view Facebook as a tool, and this more

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Speaker 1: or less morally neutral on its own. Our goal here

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Speaker 1: is not to attack the social network as a concept

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Speaker 1: or make you feel bad about using it. I haven't

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Speaker 1: deleted my Facebook. It's how I talked to my family. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: boomer of Italian Okay, So our goal is not to

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Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, he usually depicted as like a robot,

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Speaker 1: him to get away with a ship by being like, no,

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Speaker 1: get your human emotions. No, no, Mark zucker No, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you get it. You get it. So Mark Elliott Zuckerberg

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Speaker 1: was born on May fourteenth, nineteen four in White Plains,

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Speaker 1: crunched some numbers. He's a Torus son scorpio moon virgo,

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Speaker 1: ascending him what you will wow telling chart, I think

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Speaker 1: telling and powerfully erotic chart. Now Mark's father, Edward, is

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Speaker 1: their four children, Mark, Randy, Donna, and Ariel. The business

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Speaker 1: was run out of their house in Dobbs Ferry, New York.

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Speaker 1: Elliot Zuckerberg went by painless Doctor Z and his motto

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Speaker 1: was we cater to cowards. It's a good dentist motto.

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Speaker 1: was doctor Vagennie Vagennis, the Dennis Vajennie. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: vagenis he must have never had a choice of what

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Speaker 1: the surely exciting episode on Dr Vagennis the Dentist. Don't

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Speaker 1: hour of content in there. So Mark grew up comfortable,

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Speaker 1: inform him when a new patient had arrived. Mark used

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Speaker 1: his code in knowledge to build a program called zucknet. Zucknet. Oh,

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Speaker 1: use it to ping ed, and members of the Zuckerberg

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Speaker 1: Once the young Mark had his family addicted to the program,

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Speaker 1: One evening, while Donna was working in her room, downstairs.

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Speaker 1: right now, we're still in the zone where I'm like

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Speaker 1: it seems like he has never grows up. It does

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Speaker 1: seem like he never all his cheating on his final

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Speaker 1: very smooth face. And that's the shame, because after a

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Speaker 1: Now we Mark's brilliance was not all the result of

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Speaker 1: Mark's favorite childhood hobbies was to invite his artist friends

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Speaker 1: I'm sure those were great parties, everybody drinking way too

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Speaker 1: be changed forever to become good people. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: While Mark was an Exeter, he fell in love with fencing.

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Speaker 1: his strength continued to be programming. At Exeter, he built

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Speaker 1: the money. It's not about the money. Yeah, the Accidental Billionaires,

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Speaker 1: for the street team of the Social network. So I

423
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Speaker 1: snuck onto Harvard Grounds to put up posters to be

424
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Speaker 1: like heard of this movie? That is a deep connection.

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Speaker 1: That is a really deep connection. I still have a

426
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Speaker 1: mouse pad. Fantastic you have? You have like merchant you have?

427
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: So however he didn't. Mark managed to steal all the

428
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Speaker 1: pictures he needed to build his stupid hotter not clone.

429
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Here's what he wrote on his blog before taking it live. Perhaps, however,

430
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Speaker 1: it will squelch it for legal reasons without realizing its

431
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: value as a venture that could possibly be expanded to

432
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Speaker 1: other schools, maybe even once with good looking people. But

433
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Speaker 1: one thing is certain, and it's that I'm a jerk

434
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Speaker 1: for making this site. Oh well, someone had to do

435
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: it eventually. Were we letting for our looks? Know? Will

436
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: we be judged on them. Yes, fucker wow. During this

437
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: he realizes that he is not a catch. I will say,

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00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: in fairness, I don't think Mark Zuckerberg ever had illusions

439
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: about that. Feel like you had to write it down

440
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: at anything. I really got to become a billionaire. Zuckerberg

441
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: launched the program and gave the u r L to

442
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: a handful of friends and some kids he wanted to impress.

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00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: According to Mezrich, facemash went viral without zuck really intending

444
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Speaker 1: for that to happen. In the first two hours, the

445
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: site logged two votes. Now that was only by like

446
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: four hundred some odd students, so everyone on Harvard sounds

447
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: kind of gross. In fairness, Mark shut it down as

448
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: soon as he realized it had gotten way, way more

449
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: popular than he had intended, but the damage was done.

450
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: He was holding in front of Harvard's deans to explain himself.

451
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: He admitted he'd done a bad thing, but argued that

452
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Speaker 1: he had also helped expose security flaws in Harvard systems,

453
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Speaker 1: and he offered to help fix those flaws. That's that's

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Speaker 1: the rock star moment in the film. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

455
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: And that that that's how Mesrich presents it. He also

456
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Speaker 1: states that marks social awkwardness and his confusion was his

457
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Speaker 1: greatest defense, but the Deans had realized he wasn't really

458
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Speaker 1: a bad kid. Yeah, I'm gonna read I'm gonna read

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Speaker 1: a little selection from that He's just awkward. Ye don't

460
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Speaker 1: you feel bad for him? Just actually wants to have

461
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Speaker 1: sex with Yeah? Actually that's Rashida Jones is the purpose

462
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Speaker 1: of her character screenplay is to make sure that we

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Speaker 1: still like him. I mean, because she just like Rashi

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Speaker 1: and Jones like after look, said Jesse Eisenberg sympathetically, and

465
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Speaker 1: that like don't don't don't like the place every time

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Speaker 1: I think I actually found a Mark Zuckerberg shirt that

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Speaker 1: I want. So I'm gonna read the clip from that

468
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Speaker 1: Chunk of Accidental Billionaires that describes that, saying, you guys

469
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: are just going over because I think it's actually grosser.

470
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: The gathered Deans had looked at him and listened to

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Speaker 1: his stilted affectation, and they had realized that Mark wasn't

472
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Speaker 1: really a bad kid. He just didn't think the same

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Speaker 1: way other kids did. He hadn't realized that girls were

474
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Speaker 1: going to get mad because guys were voting on their

475
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Speaker 1: appearance hell Market. Eduardo and probably every other college guy

476
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: in the world had been ranking female classmates in terms

477
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Speaker 1: of hotness since the dawn of structured education. Eduardo was

478
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: pretty sure that someday some paleontologist would find a cave

479
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: drawing ranking neander tall girls. It was simply human nature. No,

480
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: it's not. That's no, it's no, it's not. Treating people

481
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Speaker 1: like a rotten tomatoes score is not inherent human nature. Well,

482
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Speaker 1: what was the first time you remember being like rated

483
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Speaker 1: by someone? In uh, my little fool, Yeah, middle school.

484
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Speaker 1: I'm remember there was a large period of my life

485
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Speaker 1: where I was not hot and then like when I

486
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: became okay looking was when someone stuck a sticker on

487
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Speaker 1: my butt. It was a spicy sticker from the Spicy Sandwich?

488
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Speaker 1: Is that that was my first like someone finds me

489
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: someone had to a chicken sticker on you. But I

490
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: remember there was like a hard copy circulating my fourth

491
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Speaker 1: grade class and it would change for a three years,

492
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: so there was like a racer marks. It is a

493
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: real thing that people will always do forever, but empowering

494
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: it in any way and easier to do. I don't

495
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: know that people who always do it forever. I think

496
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Speaker 1: that boys, because I can tell you I did it

497
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: as like a teenage boy. And I did it because

498
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: I grew up with media that did it too, with

499
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: like magazines, like like I didn't just come up with

500
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: in my head like oh what if we ranked girls

501
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: on a ten point system? Like I saw that and

502
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: read that on the Internet and then I did it. Yeah.

503
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: Face Mash was something of a disaster on the surface,

504
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: but it earned marked the attention of the winkle Boss Twins,

505
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Speaker 1: two young rich kids who liked rowing boats and had

506
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: come up with a brilliant idea of creating an app

507
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: called the Harvard Connection. I think the Winklevoss twins are cute.

508
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: They are objectively cute. They're objectively good looking guys. And

509
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: I used to try to play a character that was

510
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: the third Winkle Vos. He was like their spare tire,

511
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: his nameless trip Trip. Yeah it would be trip. It's

512
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: chippy had sex with the car. I refused to believe

513
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: that both Winklevoss twins have not also had sex with cars.

514
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: They haven't a money. They could have bought kit from

515
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: night Rider. That's true. The Bitcoin brothers, Yeah, they're hot.

516
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: They're hot. They're hot and they roll, no wonder Mark

517
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: hated them. Yeah, well they're hot. It's the revenge of

518
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: the nerds. Uh, you know story. So they're classic feminist texts. Yeah,

519
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: there was another movie I like, There's a teenage Boy,

520
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: and then watched as an adult was like, is that

521
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: that's rape? Fun film? Now? Um? The idea of the

522
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: Harvard Connection, the site the Winkl bosses wanted to make

523
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: was basically a site where they wanted a site where

524
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: cool guys in college could meet girls without having to

525
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: meet them in person. There was something called the fun

526
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Bus that would ferry girls from other colleges to Harvard.

527
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: That's what they called it, the fun Bus. But they

528
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: thought that was inefficient and wasted time, and they wanted

529
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: a faster way to meet people to fuck. And that

530
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: was the idea behind the Harvard Connection. The Winkle bosses

531
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: couldn't actually cope. They were just rich guys with an

532
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: idea for a Fox site. Mark Zuckerberg came into Robert language,

533
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: what else do you call it? And I got nothing

534
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: wrong with a Fox site if it's another like Tinder.

535
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: Tinder was just creative so that everybody could fuck. But

536
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: a site just so that rich guys can meet girls

537
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: to fuck. That's gross, a site for everyone to fuck whatever.

538
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: I got another it's true because it's like it's like

539
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: a selected few getting a certain like the specific idea

540
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: that like, we're just so busy rowing boats and going

541
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Speaker 1: to school, what if we had a Fox site. If

542
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: a man can row a boat, he can. I'm not

543
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: going to finish that bottle at a Harvard rower once

544
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Speaker 1: from the bridge. In my defense, I was drunk at

545
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Speaker 1: al Jamie. I uh, you, you can't know how proud

546
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: I am knowing that, but it's super proud. So the

547
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: Winkle Bosses didn't actually know how to code, which is

548
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: where Mark Zuckerber came into the picture. He initially agreed

549
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: to help him with the project, and for a while

550
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: he emailed back and forth with them, but as time

551
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: went on, it slowly became clear that Market no intention

552
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: of actually working on their project. He was just stringing

553
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: the Winkel Boss twins along while he worked on his

554
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: own project, titled the Facebook. Now, the Facebook was minus

555
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: a few features the social network we all know and

556
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: gradually accept the existence of today. Mark did not started

557
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: on his own at the very beginning. The ground floor level.

558
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: He worked with a dude named Dwardo. Savern now Saverurren,

559
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: was a fellow Harvard student and one of young Zuck's

560
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: few good friends at the school. He came from a

561
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: rich family and had made like three hundred thousand dollars

562
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: the year before with a series of clever investments. Mark

563
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: needed Edwardo's cash to get his idea for the Facebook

564
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: off the ground. The original agreement was that Edwardo would

565
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: be the Facebook's business manager, while Mark would handle the coding.

566
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: Edwardo put in the first thousand dollars necessary to get

567
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: Facebook off the ground by servers and all that stuff.

568
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: With the money taking care of for now, Mark Zuckerberg

569
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: was free to build the website of his dreams. While

570
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: the Facebook of today looks a lot different from the

571
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: focused Harvard Connection website, the Winklebus twins thought Mark was

572
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: building for them, the original designed for the Facebook had

573
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 1: an awful lot in common with that idea. Here's how

574
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: the accidental billionaires described the initial layout of the site.

575
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: There was a picture near the top, whatever picture you

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00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: wanted to add, then a list of attributes on the

577
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: right side. Here you were in college, your major or

578
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: your high school where you came from. Clubs, you're a

579
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: member of a favorite quote and then list of friends

580
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: people you could add yourself or invite to join a

581
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: poke application that allows you to poke other people's profiles.

582
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: Were checking them out and in big letters, your sex,

583
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: what you were looking for, your relationship status, and what

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00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: you were interested in. So while Mark's vision was seemingly

585
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: more complete than the Winklevosses idea for Harvard Connection, it

586
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: came down to the same basic goal getting people, namely

587
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg quote. The thing that would drive the social

588
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: network was the same thing that drove life at college. Sex.

589
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: The Actual Billionaires is a fun book. Yeah, so, but

590
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he's wrong about that. I think he's

591
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: I think he's nailing what these kids were going for.

592
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: They wanted a fox side kingrats to everyone like like,

593
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: I like, I guess like naive is the wrong word,

594
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: But I like really didn't think about sex at all

595
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: until much later in my life. I was like to

596
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: be married in the military. That was chilling. M No,

597
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that some things I could have done

598
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: no one I knew was fucking Yeah yeah me either, really,

599
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: I guess, man, man, yeah, It's like it's impossible to

600
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Speaker 1: be an eighteen to twenty year on year old mail

601
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: and not be thinking about that way too much. Like,

602
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: not that are the focus of our media doesn't make

603
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: it worse. But you know your hormones as a man,

604
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: like that's when things are going fucking wild, so people

605
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: be horny. H virginity to a woman. Actually, now that

606
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: I congratulation. Yeah, hell yeah. Now. I could go on

607
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: for a while about the juvenile nature of Facebook and

608
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: his founding. They chose to hire their first wave of

609
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: coders based on the results of a drinking contest, but

610
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: I feel like they would be counterproductive. You'll get the point.

611
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg was a gross young adult when he first

612
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: started his social network. It has gross DNA. But none

613
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: of us are at our best when we're college sophomores.

614
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: I hope most of you didn't do anything as nasty

615
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: as steal thousands of people's data so you could rate

616
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: girls based on whether or not they were hotter than

617
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: literal cows. But we all do ship that we aren't

618
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: proud of at that age. I would not be declaring

619
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Marque bastard purely on the fact that he was a sick,

620
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: horny nerd. In college. When I was eighteen, I drank

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Speaker 1: so much that I vomited on three separate strangers at

622
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: the same party, three separate occasions. When I was nineteen,

623
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: my friends and I brewed up thirty gallons of trash

624
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: cider and got a crowd of strangers so drunk that

625
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: one person vomited off the fourth story balcony of the

626
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: Dallas Sheraton onto a restaurant full of people. My friends

627
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: and I gleeefy heckled the patrons as they ran for cover.

628
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: There were umbrellas on the tables, and I remember my

629
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: friends shouting, those umbrellas won't save you. So let it

630
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: never be said that Behind the Bastards is a show

631
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: that judges people just for doing dumpshit when they were young.

632
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: I was a shitty young person too. Okay, test your boundaries.

633
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: It's fine. If Mark Zuckerberg had changed as a human

634
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Speaker 1: being after this, I would not be judging him based

635
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Speaker 1: on the fact that he wanted to make a Fox

636
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: site when he was nineteen. That's really what is so

637
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: disappointing is that like it comes from such a normal place,

638
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty normal. It's pretty like mond ain't. It's

639
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: a pretty commonplace given the context of the time it's in,

640
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: Like none of this was like shockingly misogynist kind of

641
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: like we're not woke culture. It's not worse. He's not

642
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: like they were, Like they're definitely kids in fucking Harvard

643
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. Who were you know, date raping people. Mark

644
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg wasn't doing that. I've never heard any accusations of

645
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: anything like that. Like he was just a normal background

646
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: noise level misogynist for the time, horny hacker. So let's

647
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: get onto why he's really a bastard. I'm going to

648
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: brush over most of the founding of Facebook and the

649
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: sundry drunken parties that the accidental billionaires makes a big

650
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: deal about. Are hotter, super hot abs like a goddamn

651
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: cheese grater, both of them. Yeah, the short part of

652
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: it is market Edwardo met a guy named Sean Parker,

653
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: the Napster founder. Don't really no kind of looks like

654
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: at that point right in the movie, Yeah, you know,

655
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: he's a good man to have play Sean Parker. They

656
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: kind of he did great moment. What's that famous horrible

657
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: line that he says, like about a million dollars. What

658
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: about a million? You know what's better than a million dollars?

659
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: A billion? And then he like fade out. Yeah, he

660
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: just disappear. Now. At that point, Sean Parker did not

661
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: have much money, but he was an experienced tech entrepreneur

662
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: and had solid connections in the industry. It seems like

663
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: he kind of helped convince Mark to move out to

664
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: California with a couple other Harvard students to work on

665
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: the Facebook during the summer. Over this time, it had

666
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: spread from Harvard's campus to colleges across the nation. Mark

667
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: and his first employees wind up letting Shawan Parker crash

668
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: on their couch. The Facebook continued to grow, and Mark

669
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: made the decision to drop out of school and stay

670
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: in California, a choice I endorse for of Harvard students.

671
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: The Facebook up securing a bunch of VC money. Yeah,

672
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: get out, get out of that school. Same with Stanford,

673
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: go to New York. I guess I don't I don't care.

674
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: The Facebook wind up securing a bunch of VC money

675
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: from Peter Teal under the requirement that it dropped the

676
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: V and just go by Facebook because he was apparently

677
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: Sean Parker suggestion, and damned if it wasn't a good one.

678
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: No one said he was bad at branding, bad at

679
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: having weddings because he had a thirty million dollar wedding

680
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: that destroyed a forest. But yeah he had. He had

681
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: a Lord of the Rings themed wedding and he didn't

682
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: get permits and had to pay ten million dollars in fines.

683
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: He like us bulldozers in places that you're not supposed

684
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: to be nerd culture is, Yeah, you want to do

685
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: your fucking Lord of the Rings winding up to destroy

686
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: a forest for it? How you're someone to see? He

687
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: was point, Yeah, well he wanted to be sorrow he

688
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: saw he saw that as a Yeah, I didn't really

689
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: get the message trying to a whole bunch of little sorrows.

690
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Fucking did Gero Tolkien would have been pisted him for

691
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: having a bulldozer. Not a big fan of industrial construction equipment.

692
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: You read the guy much um. Also an anarchist, but

693
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: kind of a weird anarchist. But yeah, self declared, Yeah, yeah,

694
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: he was a weird type of anarchists. A lot of

695
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: stuff about the Catholic Church or whatever anywhere. Yeah, showed anarchy. No,

696
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean he was like, he is a good quote,

697
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: which was like, I don't think people should be in

698
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: charge of other people less than one in a million

699
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: is capable of doing the job, which is I agree.

700
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: I think I really agree with that. He lived through

701
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: World War One. You don't want a fan of hierarchy. Now. Well,

702
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: Mark and the Facebook's first few employees were living in

703
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: Palo Alto if they were being bankrolled by Eduardo Saverin.

704
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: He had put roughly twenty tho dollars into the company

705
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: to get it off the ground. He was also working

706
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: well in New York, trying to sell to advertisers and stuff,

707
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: putting in his time and also the only person putting

708
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: money on the line. So he's really believed in this project,

709
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: really being a good friend, but his relationship with Mark

710
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: got rocky. The accidental billionaires and the social network make

711
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: it look like Sean Parker got his hooks into Mark

712
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: and he and Zuckerberg started taking meetings with investors, bad

713
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: friend influence, duck innocent, Yeah exactly. They were meeting without

714
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: Eduardo's knowledge, and Eduardo reacted by cutting off Facebook's assets

715
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: to his money because he thought he was getting edged

716
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: out of the company, which is exactly what was happening. Um,

717
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: but diabolical teen pretty gross. Now, that's what prompted them

718
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: to make a deal with Peter Teel. Since Eduardo was

719
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: contracted to own Facebook, they couldn't cut him out entirely.

720
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: But it seems like their lawyers engaged in some complicated

721
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: legal factory. We will be talking about that legal fury

722
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: and the other people that Mark Zuckerberg sucked over who

723
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: are not mentioned in the social network because he stole

724
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: from somebody else too. But first, you know what doesn't

725
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: steal from anyone The wonderful advertisers who supported our program

726
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: and or show with their products indoor services, and we're

727
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: also supported. Maggie, you beat me to that delightful, satisfying crunch.

728
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: How's those blazes doing? Man? I am a convert? Does it?

729
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: Does it up a cold winter day? I like it?

730
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: It's like a heater for your insides. That's a free one.

731
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: Torito's people don't use that products and we're back. That's

732
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: that's ea. Actually what I always say after a solid

733
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: product and or service. Now, uh, we were talking about

734
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: what Mark Zuckerberg did to EDWARDO. Saverin the good friend

735
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: who invested twenty dollars in his buddy's idea and also

736
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: worked full time pretty much to try to make it

737
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: a reality, which is great friending. You'd think that would

738
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: build up some loyalty at Wardo sounds like a really

739
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: good friend. Wardo sounds like a real one. Yeah, let's

740
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: talk about how he got over. He's not in the movie, right, Yeah,

741
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: he's the guy who does not come across this edution

742
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: the story. I don't know anything about him. Maybe he

743
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: kills chickens or something, but maybe chickens need to be killing.

744
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: He got in on bitcoin too. I think he's rich anyway,

745
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter now. Mark pretended to make nice with Eduardo,

746
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: and so Edwardo signed a contract that made it look

747
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: like he was getting actually thirty four percent of the company.

748
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: But this was just a bunch of complicated legal bullshit

749
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: um and the company was allowed, based on the sort

750
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: of terms of the contract, to actually dilute Edwardo shares

751
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: to weigh less than more ten percent. Savern maintains he

752
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: was cheated out of his fair steake of the company

753
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: when Mark and Sean Parker edged Severn out. They also

754
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: cut his name out of Facebook lore It's not all

755
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: that different from the stuff you'll hear about in Stalinist Russian.

756
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: He was basically deleted from the company history. Now. When

757
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: the social network came out, Zuckerberg attacked it for being inaccurate.

758
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: But in the years since, the emails he sent to

759
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: his lawyer around this time have come out. At one

760
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: point he asked, quote, is there any way to do

761
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: this without making it painfully apparent that he's being deluded

762
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: to ten percent talking about Eduardo, to which his lawyer responded,

763
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: the broad categories of legal risk are a fiduciary duty

764
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: as Eduardo was the only shareholder being deluded by the grants. Again,

765
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: as Eduardo is the only shareholder being deluded by the

766
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: grants issuances, there is a substantial risk that he may

767
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: claim the issuances, especially the ones to Dustin and Mark

768
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: but also to Sean, are a brist of fiduciary duty

769
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: later on, if not now. According to Business Insider, this

770
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: is exactly what happened. Quote Savern eventually sued Facebook over

771
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: breach of fiduciary duty. Facebook and Savern settled, and he

772
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: walked away with four five percent of the company. That

773
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: Steak is now worth close to five billion. So again

774
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: he's doing all right. You don't gotta feel that sorry

775
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: for Red Wirdo, but what Mark does is slimy here

776
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: now Well, the exact terms of the settlement are unclear.

777
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: Facebook was also forced to reinstate Severeian's name in the

778
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: company history. Mark also eventually settled with the Winkle bosses

779
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: and their partner in the Harvard connection, a guy named Nearindra.

780
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: They reportedly got sixty five million. Well, Facebook's legal team

781
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: we're working on that case. They searched Mark's computer and

782
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: came across the I M s he sent at the time.

783
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: These I M s paint a very fun and very

784
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: ugly picture of the man previously described as just robotic.

785
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: Wait do we know what his green name was? I

786
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: don't think in the type Oh maybe he got all right?

787
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: So made just to Ben's up. Here is one exerpt

788
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: from a conversation between Mark and a friend talking about

789
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: his real plans to work on the Winklevosses social network.

790
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: This is when he was still telling the Winklevosses he

791
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: was working on it. Friend, So have you decided what

792
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: you're going to do about the websites suck? Yeah? I'm

793
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: going to fuck them, probably in the year but he

794
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: then he then corrects, probably in the year two. Ear

795
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: ear yeah, yeah, the ear fuck you freaking yeah. I

796
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: can see why they won that suit or settle. Yeah.

797
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: Information that's turned up in the years since has also

798
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: shown that Eduardo's Savareen was not the only friend who

799
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: invested in Mark's website and got sucked over. Paul Sieglia

800
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: seems to have invested two thousand dollars into Facebook in

801
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: exchange for some steak in the finished project. Now, at

802
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: some point, Mark Zuckerberg clearly realized that his baby was

803
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: going to be valuable. He started lying to Sieglia claiming

804
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: that the project was basically dead in the water, so

805
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: that he could pay the friend back his two thousand

806
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: dollars and cut out his interest in the business. Here's

807
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: one email he sent to Sieglia in two thousand four,

808
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: while he was in California working to make Facebook. Paul,

809
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that you don't want to talk to me,

810
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: but I wanted to say happy birthday and that I

811
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: hope to resolve our differences. I see that what I

812
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: did was wrong, and I'm really sorry that I behaved

813
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: as I did. Please give me your address and I

814
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: will mail you back the two thousand dollars for your

815
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: trouble more if it were a pair of business relationship.

816
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: Another summer is here and I still don't have any

817
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: time to build our site. I understand that I promised

818
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: I would, but other things have come up and I'm

819
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: out in California working during break. I just don't want

820
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: the obligation of having to answer you for not following through,

821
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: and I won't be able to the first half of

822
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: that email sounds like what my cousin texts everyone every

823
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: time he gets out of jail. I don't think I

824
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: can repair these relationships regretting my mistakes. Yeah, one month later,

825
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: Hi again, regretting same mistakes. Cycles are a bit in

826
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: some fairness. I never got over the mistakes that I

827
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: made at nineteen, because, like six months ago, I was

828
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: drunk in Santa Monica and I started stealing light bulbs

829
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: from the outside of bars and throwing them at my

830
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: friend's feet. Yourself away. I haven't grown up either, but

831
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't have billions of lives in the balance either.

832
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: I am purchasing the Zuckerberg shut and just why don't

833
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: you read the front of that Zuckerberg shirt. Good Zuckerberg shirt.

834
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: It's a picture of Zucky programming as a Harvard student.

835
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: He's got a water bottle of wine glass and a

836
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: red bull and the quote below reads quote you can

837
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: be unethical and still be illegal. That's the way I

838
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: live my life. Ha ha ha oh beautiful. It gets uglier.

839
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: See the problem with being a tech obsessed young person

840
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: who focks over countless people to start your business is

841
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: that a lot of the conversations that prove you to

842
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: be a gross weirdo are going to come out. Here's

843
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: one Mark had with a friend after he launched Facebook

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Speaker 1: in his dorm room and eight percent of his classmates

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Speaker 1: need any info about anyone at Harvard, just ask I

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Speaker 1: have over four thousand emails, pictures, addresses, sns, redacted friend's name.

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Speaker 1: What how did you manage that one? Zuck? People just

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Speaker 1: submitted it. I don't know why they quotation Marks trust

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Speaker 1: me ha ha dumb Fox? That really they Yeah. There's

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Speaker 1: a scene in the Social network where is Zuckerberg meets

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Speaker 1: um two fans and they make like idiots of themselves.

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Speaker 1: They like fall over each other and the point of

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Speaker 1: that scene is, aren't the people who look up to

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Speaker 1: still lionizing the main character as like, yeah, his customers

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Speaker 1: are idiots, and let's make fun of them. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: farm animals. They are the farm animals, say they do

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Speaker 1: the same thing advice, which bother anyway, as I have

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Speaker 1: very strong opinions about advice. It made me mad. It

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Speaker 1: made me mad, but I thought it did a good

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Speaker 1: job of talking about how excribble of a human he is.

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Speaker 1: Why would anyone make Dick Cheney look remotely cool right now?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's because I've been there and

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Speaker 1: I've seen the consequences of it. I didn't think he

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Speaker 1: looked cool, but I thought everyday consumer he could seem cool.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's the fun. You know a lot about

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Speaker 1: who was being told that, like police officers are putting

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Speaker 1: it on his car and he's furious He's like, no,

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Speaker 1: he's not a pro cop character. He's making the point

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Speaker 1: that our justice system is so fun that a lunatic

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Speaker 1: not good, right, Yeah, that's how we are doing cops. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: Like very frustrating. Um the shirts on the way fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Facebook received it's one millionth registered user on December four.

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Speaker 1: It spread to high school students in September of two

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Speaker 1: thousand five, and introduced the ability to tag people. In

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Speaker 1: December of two thousand five and September two six, the

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Speaker 1: The stage was finally set for Facebook's blisteringly rapid growth

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Speaker 1: to the world single most dominant media organization. During this time,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Soukerberg grew wealthier and ever more influential, but he

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Speaker 1: didn't grow out of being a tremendous douche back. In fact,

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Speaker 1: as we'll cover in part two, the wild succiss of

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Speaker 1: Facebook turn mark from a kind of sliming nerd bro

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Speaker 1: it is something much much darker. Jamie Loftus, Oh well,

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Speaker 1: you can find me online wearing my new Zuck shirt. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Jamie loftus help and on Instagram at Jamie cry Superstar

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Speaker 1: and they call it, they call it the ground. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: Famous zuck Entity, if you want to support me, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be posting a picture of my ironic

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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg T shirt on Mark Zuckerberg's platform any day now.

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Speaker 1: I'm really like, I'm really telling him. I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: he'll get the message. I think this time he'll show

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Speaker 1: him from inside his diamond bathtub filled with Christal Coward

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Speaker 1: Maggie May Fish Pubs plug. Yes, you can find me

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Speaker 1: of my dead great grandmother. Yeah. Yeah, you can find

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Speaker 1: me on YouTube at that same name. And yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I'm stealing my name, which no one had ever used

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