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Speaker 1: Welcome to Know Your Foe Oncolts dot Com and in

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Speaker 1: depth look at the upcoming matchup. Here are your host

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Speaker 1: Casey Valier and former Colts wide receiver Bill Brooks. It

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Speaker 1: is time for another installment of Know Your Foe right

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Speaker 1: here on Colts dot Com. I'm your host Casey Valley,

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Speaker 1: also joined by Cultur Ring of Honor member Bill Brooks,

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Speaker 1: and today we are talking about the Thursday night matchup

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Speaker 1: is a former defensive tackle for the Jets and he's

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Speaker 1: the current Jets radio color analyst. Marty, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for taking some time to talk with us. My pleasure, Casey, Marty.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start with a guy that we won't

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Speaker 1: see you under center on Thursday, in Zach Wilson. The

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Speaker 1: Jets decided to move on from Sam Darnold at quarterback

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Speaker 1: and they selected Zach Wilson with that second overall pick

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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty one draft. I know we've got

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Speaker 1: a very small sample size to this point, especially you

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Speaker 1: at his stats, I know a lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 1: looking in at what he has done. He led the

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Speaker 1: But what's your assessment of you know, seeing Zach Wilson

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Speaker 1: this point. You know what, Casey, I think he's got

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Speaker 1: the talent to be a great player in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I think he just needs to slow himself down at times.

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Speaker 1: I think if you look at the difference between him

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Speaker 1: is sometimes you've got to take what the defense allows

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Speaker 1: you to have. If you have to dink and dunk

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Speaker 1: and run it and then move the ball down the

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Speaker 1: field and just keep moving past the chains, it works.

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Speaker 1: I think. You know, coming in as a number two pig,

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Speaker 1: sometimes doing too much will lead into too many interceptions

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Speaker 1: and too many problems. Then you know the team wasn't clicking.

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Speaker 1: They're the youngest team in the NFL and you have

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Speaker 1: I think Zach is going to adapt to it. And

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes when you watch it from the sideline,

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Speaker 1: mistakes that you are making. Hey, Marty, the Jets moved

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Speaker 1: Michael Thoughts to the coaches booth and have hired Zach

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Speaker 1: Wilson's personal coach. Is there anything behind this higher and

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Speaker 1: this move the coach upstairs to the booth? You know what, Bill,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you know. Because of the COVID nineteen restrictions,

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Speaker 1: But I think moving the offensive coordinator upstairs, he gets

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Speaker 1: You're going wow. You know, he drops back to pass,

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Speaker 1: When you look and you go, wow, he's got that

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Speaker 1: and former defensive tackle for the Jets. You know we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: He reacted. I reacted, And I don't think that there

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Speaker 1: It just happened, and when I see Jim and now

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Speaker 1: and enjoy your time in Indie. All right, my pleasure, guys.

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Speaker 1: The team will get the weekend off before they begin

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. To give us an insight on the Jags

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Speaker 1: next week will be Jane for Nette of the Florida

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Speaker 1: Times Union. That is next week when return on No

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Speaker 1: It's the Colts and Jets for Thursday Night Football. For

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Speaker 1: Bill Brooks. I'm Casey Valie. Go Colts.