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Speaker 3: You guys are gonna love this.

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Speaker 4: Every match in Australia was crying before every match, so many.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is with Sophia Kennon, the possible only Grand

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Speaker 1: Slam champion of the year. I mean, let's see what

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Speaker 1: happens with the rest of the calendar year. Yeah, but she,

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Speaker 1: along with the Vaktjovitch, won the Australian Open. She did

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Speaker 1: it in a way that surprised a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: but she didn't surprise you.

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Speaker 2: She did not surprise me. Look, you know I at

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Speaker 2: the start of the tournament, I did not pick her,

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Speaker 2: and I wouldn't have said, oh yeah, definitely. Sophia Kennon's

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Speaker 2: going to win this tournament. There's no way that you

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Speaker 2: would have guessed that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can't say that about the Whimen's tour at all.

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Speaker 1: I can't say one person, so many of them. I

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Speaker 1: could see ten people winning this tournament and you'd be right.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And that is actually what gets said

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Speaker 2: in production meetings of the ESPN or with my friends.

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Speaker 2: You know, so, who do you think is going to win?

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Speaker 2: And literally my legit answer is I don't know. There's

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Speaker 2: to the Coco match for Kennon, that's when everyone was like, ooh,

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Speaker 2: you know, who's the new situation with this young up

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Speaker 2: and coming player against another young and up and coming player,

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Speaker 2: and who's gonna win this? Who's gonna handle it? I said,

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Speaker 2: Cannon's going to handle this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just she to me as somebody I watched, I

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Speaker 2: and they're just all always like the first thing they

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Speaker 2: say about her, She's so tough, you have no idea

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Speaker 2: and It's true. I've seen it now many times. She's

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Speaker 2: not afraid. I say this every time I've talked about her.

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Speaker 2: She's not afraid of anything. She's not afraid of anyone,

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Speaker 2: and she's not afraid of a moment. You know, whatever's

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Speaker 2: what you're going to get from Kennon, which is one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent every single time. I never give up. And

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Speaker 2: she has the weapons and she's a great She'll throw

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Speaker 2: in a slice fourhand on the run like she's not

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Speaker 2: afraid to play ugly, you know what I mean. She's

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Speaker 2: kind of like the epitome of Brad Gilbert's winning ugly

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Speaker 2: because she really does. And then sometimes she plays incredible

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Speaker 2: points and you're just like, holy shit. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Gbinia mcgrus head to Kennon going to three Grabina on

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Speaker 1: the first set. I kind of thought, Okay, she's maybe

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Speaker 2: I picked it. I texted a couple of friends. You

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Speaker 2: and id it a little bit about that.

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Speaker 3: You said, no way, Kennon's got this.

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Speaker 2: I said Canon. Someone said who's going to win, and

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Speaker 2: I said Djokovic and Canon. That was one of my

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Speaker 5: So you can see this interview after I left California.

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Speaker 3: What can you what can we expect?

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Speaker 2: We're going to throw it in a second, But how

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Speaker 2: how was it? It was great? And I mean there's

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Speaker 2: It's just unbelieving. I don't want to. I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Right, without uh, without further ado, here is Renee with

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Speaker 1: Sophia Kennett.

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Speaker 2: Can we anyway? All right?

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Speaker 1: Hi?

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Speaker 2: I want to welcome everybody to another edition of the

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Speaker 2: Racket Magazine podcast, and I am being very nicely joined

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Speaker 2: here in Indian world because I'm catching up with everybody

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Speaker 2: as much as I can with this craziness that's going

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Speaker 2: on with Sophia Kennon, Sonya Kennon, can you okay, before

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Speaker 2: we even get started, thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, of course, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Tell me the difference Sonya Sophia, because so many people

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Speaker 3: Sophia's my name. Sonya's a Russian nickname. It's like Alex Sasha,

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Speaker 3: so it's not that big of a deal. Everyone keeps

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Speaker 2: We just want to clear it up. That's why we

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Speaker 3: Everybody, for the fans and everyone.

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Speaker 5: Sofia is better, people who.

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Speaker 3: Know me are Sonya is better?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well I call you Sonya, I call you so just

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Speaker 2: We usually have nicknames for everybody. Nobody knows what the

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Speaker 2: get into like just everything a little bit. Your story

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Speaker 2: not because a lot of Russian players have moved to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was born in Russia. My parents wanted to

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Speaker 2: So and your dad literally or your parents literally said that,

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Speaker 3: Yes, they said that. They told me they wanted to

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Speaker 2: Your I mean, I'm assuming it was more like your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I wasn't playing with any other toys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how is that on your mom? Like that you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean i'd like that you said she misses you. No, no,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, explain that a little bit. I mean I obviously

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's not easy. Obviously Sometimes uncle coaching

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Speaker 2: Let me tell people. Let me tell people, that's one

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Speaker 2: Sam Stozo, who was coaching in Guangzhou last year, and

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Speaker 3: I never I never gave up. That's something that I

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Speaker 3: You just get a family. Yeah, there's a lot of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean a lot of people just stop down.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, my dad didn't give up, my mom didn't

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Speaker 3: it could have been to one and Daniel Collins would

436
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Speaker 3: have been playing against strict of I think, so yeah.

437
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Speaker 3: So I lost another heartbreaking match and it was skitt

438
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Speaker 3: about Miami Open a few years ago. Heartbreaking match and

439
00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,120
Speaker 3: I was up fourteen third, thirty fifteen, the emotions.

440
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Speaker 2: I want everyone at home to realize that, you know,

441
00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,440
Speaker 2: you think tennis players don't remember anything. Oh my god,

442
00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:59,919
Speaker 2: we don't forget anything.

443
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 5: It's the problem, unfortunately.

444
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,960
Speaker 2: But I interviewed Specta the other day because Netsva, and

445
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,159
Speaker 2: I asked her if she had any regrets of any matches,

446
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 2: and of course, she, being very philosophical, said that they're

447
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 2: all stepping stones. It was like a lego piece for

448
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 2: her that she had to put into place to get

449
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,360
Speaker 2: the results. Do you feel like as tough as those

450
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,920
Speaker 2: losses were, they're actually super important for you to go

451
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Speaker 2: through as a player.

452
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Speaker 3: I guess you got to have tough losses to find

453
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Speaker 3: a way and how to recover and do what you know,

454
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Speaker 3: figure out what you did wrong. But of course it's

455
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,960
Speaker 3: not easy, and those losses are going to be with

456
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Speaker 3: you forever, I guess or not, but until you play whatever.

457
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Speaker 2: But no, you'll still be remembering Kvitiver for I still remember.

458
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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, of course it's not easy those losses,

459
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 3: but you got to somehow go through some tough battles

460
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Speaker 3: and then to find your way pick yourself back up. Yeah.

461
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Speaker 2: So you cut to the Australian Open. You had had

462
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Speaker 2: quite a good end of the year the previous year.

463
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 2: I know because you beat my player in one match

464
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Speaker 2: in the final. But I also learned a lot about

465
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 2: you in that week. It was incredibly hot in Guangzhou.

466
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,160
Speaker 2: It took a lot of fortitude to want to stick

467
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 2: around and play and keep winning. And like against Sam,

468
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,360
Speaker 2: you were down a set and a tough, really tough

469
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: loss in the first set. It could have gone either way.

470
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: But I think that's when I saw your fortitude as

471
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Speaker 2: a player, is that you refuse to lose that match.

472
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Speaker 2: And I think refusing to lose is actually more important

473
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Speaker 2: than wanting to win.

474
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Speaker 3: Probably I would say, do that wanting to win, you

475
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 3: can somehow lose because of all the emotions, but not

476
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 3: wanting to lose. Not losing obviously makes you more, you know,

477
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 3: gives you nuts fighting mode. And obviously not wanting to lose,

478
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 3: so obviously that changes things.

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of thinking, well, it's just maybe not my

480
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 2: day to day and you just sort of mentally pack

481
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Speaker 2: it in.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've had a few matches where I'm like,

483
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 3: this is not my day, but I obviously try not

484
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 3: to think about that. I try to steal fight even

485
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Speaker 3: where I'm not playing well, I'm not feeling my stress.

486
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Speaker 3: Of course, I've had matches where I lost because of it,

487
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 3: and I you know, I feel like I'm not.

488
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Speaker 5: Playing well and I can do anything.

489
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Speaker 3: But I mean, right now, at least there's more matches

490
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 3: where I'm somehow fighting away or.

491
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 2: No, you can say it now, I'm just winning a lot. Well, well,

492
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 2: all right, I want to talk about the Aussie Open

493
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: and then sort of what happened and after, But go

494
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Speaker 2: back to the Australian Open and were there certain matches

495
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Speaker 2: other than the final that defined that tournament for you?

496
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Speaker 2: And I also want to talk a little bit about

497
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Speaker 2: the Coco match as well, and sort of like the

498
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: hype around Cocoa and then you're sort of like sliding

499
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Speaker 2: along under the radar.

500
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Speaker 5: Well, actually, I looked at the draws crazy.

501
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Speaker 3: So I looked and I saw you look at the

502
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 3: draw not like completely, but I mean, you know, I

503
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 3: look at I look at I saw him playing a

504
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 3: qualifier first round, and I was like, Okay, it's not

505
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 3: too bad. And then of course, you know, they have

506
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: the draw where it's like you're going to see who

507
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 3: you play second rap match if you don't want to,

508
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: and then I'm like, oh, if I want to play

509
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 3: Lazette or another qualifier. So I'm like, I mean it's

510
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: a pretty good ru I mean the rounds and the slam.

511
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Speaker 3: I mean, I shouldn't complain, you know, I said, I

512
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Speaker 3: saw a lot of other matches and it was you know,

513
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 3: I was like, I should.

514
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 5: Just shut my mouth and I complaining. And then of

515
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 5: course I was looking. I was like, what about third round?

516
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 3: And I'm like if maybe Sloan Stevens or Schwizering, And

517
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 3: then I'm like, oh what about fourth round? I mean sucker.

518
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Speaker 5: Most like then, because I think I.

519
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: Really look ahead that much, I'm not and that's not

520
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: saying you're cocky. I'm just like I'm I don't know

521
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: if I'm impressed or shocked that because a lot of

522
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Speaker 2: players don't look ahead at all. Because for me, for example,

523
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: like a slams, I never looked ahead, more so in

524
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: doubles for me obviously, but I never looked at because

525
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Speaker 2: I didn't want to know who was possibly in my section,

526
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Speaker 2: because so many things I have to know.

527
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be surprised and like, oh god,

528
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Speaker 3: this is it, you know, I feel like I have

529
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Speaker 3: to if I get there, I'm at least prepared, and

530
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 3: I know, like this is I'm playing, and now you're

531
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Speaker 3: me in the fourth round, if you know, and then

532
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Speaker 3: quarter finals. You know, I was, I forgot how I

533
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 3: was Serena. I was thinking play Serenas.

534
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Speaker 5: I was like, oh, shoot, this is not easy for

535
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 5: maybe I'll get there.

536
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Speaker 2: So that's incredible. Yeah, that's you don't feel like you're

537
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: wasting energy on what could could happen.

538
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Speaker 5: No, no, obviously, don't think about it.

539
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Speaker 2: I just look and I thought it must be nice

540
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Speaker 2: to be young.

541
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Speaker 5: And then my dad sometimes like, oh you play this person.

542
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh really, I act like I didn't know from.

543
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Speaker 2: Like of course, oh so he thinks she don't look

544
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: he's gonna know now forever because he's gonna listen to this.

545
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: So you get to the round to sixteen play co

546
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Speaker 2: Coke correct, Yeah, yeah, I mean considering it in Australia,

547
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Speaker 2: there's a tremendous amount of hype around this match. Can

548
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Speaker 2: you talk us through sort of the lead up to that,

549
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: like and what you were thinking and how you were

550
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Speaker 2: preparing mentally for that.

551
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Speaker 3: Obviously I was a bit nervous. You know, I'm playing

552
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Speaker 3: a youngster. Of course, I know she's a lot of

553
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: hype around her that she's had a great year and

554
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Speaker 3: starting off the year really well. I felt like a

555
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: lot of expectations from my side. I felt like, I mean,

556
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Speaker 3: I felt like I had to win, you know, I

557
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: mean if you and that's weird, right, I mean yeah,

558
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Speaker 3: I mean I don't like that type of pressure, but

559
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Speaker 3: I had to anyone. No, I don't think he true

560
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: likes it, but I had to somehow deal with it.

561
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Speaker 3: And of course I was nervous. I try to somehow

562
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: hide it and try to take it. But of course

563
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 3: it wasn't the best. In the first set, I started

564
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Speaker 3: off well, of course, because my previous match is that

565
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Speaker 3: I didn't start up that strong in the first set,

566
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Speaker 3: and especially with Trash, and I was down to be low.

567
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: Of course, it's playing really well, really good. But then yeah,

568
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 3: shout off well and then somehow things didn't go my way.

569
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Speaker 3: Of course, of course, a lot of people were cheering

570
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Speaker 3: more for her, and I mean I got kind of

571
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Speaker 3: annoyed by it, but I knew I was expected that,

572
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: so I obviously didn't take it on the crowd. I

573
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 3: just try to somehow block it out. And yeah, it

574
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: was it wasn't interesting much.

575
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Speaker 2: One of my favorite things about you is when you

576
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Speaker 2: and I'm not the only one that feels this way,

577
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: by the way, is when you win a game and

578
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: you pull that ball out of your tennis pants and

579
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Speaker 2: you just throw it on the ground.

580
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that started happening in Australia.

581
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Speaker 3: It's happened before. No, it just happened.

582
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Speaker 2: I don't know how did there become like a habit.

583
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Speaker 3: They're like, damn it, yes, let's go probably yeah, I

584
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Speaker 3: mean against even against mcgru's I started doing it more.

585
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Speaker 5: I was like, started winning. I was like, okay, I

586
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 5: started doing tossing it and throwing it.

587
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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, it's just it makes everyone would

588
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: be like here it comes here there it is.

589
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what Kathy was saying.

590
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 3: Feed Cup, You're gonna do some bald tosses like that,

591
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: and I think I did a few times, but not

592
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, I mean it's really it's one of

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Speaker 2: So you play a you know, ash body, this is

602
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: like a big deal. You think there's a hype around

603
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: the Cocoa match. Will hell, you're not in Australia when

604
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: as somebody's playing you, was that so much better for you?

605
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: Like mentally going into that match knowing, Okay, ash is

606
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: supposed to win, she's not won in the world, she's

607
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: got all this pressure on her. I'm just gonna go

608
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: and play. Or how did you feel about going on

609
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: that court?

610
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Speaker 5: Obviously it was a different mindset.

611
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Speaker 3: Of course, I knew she's number one and I have

612
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: a lot of respect for her, and yeah, it was

613
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 3: a little bit different. Obviously, didn't go cocky saying, oh wow,

614
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 3: this is gonna be so easy. Let's you know, I

615
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: obviously wanted to do my best. I wanted to play

616
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 3: my best, and I knew that the better I play,

617
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: the better chance I have to win. Because I mean

618
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Speaker 3: I obviously wanted to win. It's not like I came

619
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Speaker 3: in and said like, oh, let's see how it goes,

620
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: maybe I'll get a few games. I mean, I was

621
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Speaker 3: in the semis. Of course, I was gonna do everything

622
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 3: I can to leave everything on the court. You know,

623
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: if I would have lost, and of course credits to

624
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Speaker 3: Ash for playing a great match, but I didn't want

625
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: to have any regrets there. You know, I got so

626
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: deep in a tournament and it's not the time to

627
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: have any regrets there. It would be heartbreaking for me.

628
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: I would have been even more upset. So yeah, but

629
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Speaker 3: then I just try to play the best tennis fight.

630
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: And of course as the match was going and I

631
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: started winning and coming back, then yeah, obviously you saw

632
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: the belief there, and I obviously wasn't ready.

633
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: To let it go. Yeah, you refused to lose. Yeah again. Yeah,

634
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: So you know, I saw you after that match and

635
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: we got to interview you at ESPN, and.

636
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: I remember you told me you're like tomorrow for the

637
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: finals or after tomorrow, go out there, go with the

638
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: attitude to win. Don't go just to not win, because

639
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: it's obviously it's one time. You don't know how many

640
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: times you're going to have this and everything.

641
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: And you remember that. I remember, I can never I

642
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: can't help myself. I have to just like I've just

643
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: I've seen so many players in that situation go out

644
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: and be happy with being in a final as opposed

645
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: to because I.

646
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: Was so excited. I mean I was beyond exiety. But then,

647
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 3: you know, I knew Magruza. I mean I played her

648
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: in Beijing, so I knew what to expect. But obviously

649
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: I knew it's going to be different. It's the finals,

650
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: she's playing some she was.

651
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: Playing really well, really well.

652
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wanted to really just enjoy the moment,

653
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: you know, we leave everything all out on the court

654
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: and really not have any regrets there.

655
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: How was that experience walking onto the court because it's

656
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: quite as It's quite a scene right the finals. I

657
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: mean you're kind of hidden away in the locker room.

658
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: Were you watching the TV or you just like fully,

659
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: I was watching it.

660
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: I was bike, I could see the stadium and of

661
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: course I was getting adrenaline was going up. I was

662
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: nervous every match.

663
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 5: Actually, it's crazy, you guys are gonna love this. Every

664
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 5: match in Australia, I.

665
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 3: Was crying before every match, every match, literally before every

666
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: match was like I was crying and my dad was

667
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: trying to calm me down.

668
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: So you were crying in locker in the locker room

669
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: during the before going on, like just from nerves.

670
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's what Bethany posted on Twitter. Every

671
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: be crying and it's like, okay, maybe you should crab

672
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: it for the finals. I'm like, I'm just going crying

673
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: it for the finals.

674
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: So when did when did when did the when did

675
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: the tears happen?

676
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: Like just like after I was viking, you know, just

677
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: stalking and and I just you're talking to your dad,

678
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: tell me how I was crying. So we went and

679
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: he tried to calm me down and everything, and I

680
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: was like for every single match, Yeah, I was saying

681
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: this is the match. You got to help me, Like

682
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: I was literally putting everything on him.

683
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: That's I'm I'm blown away by that.

684
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot of emotions and serious that

685
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: those two weeks where to do the same thing. I mean,

686
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: it was a crazy guy.

687
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: While we were well, you were doing the same I

688
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: get that one. I had like Indian one time at

689
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: Wimbledon when I won the doubles there like five nights

690
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: in a row because I didn't want to change my meal,

691
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: which I don't know if Indian is exactly the right

692
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: thing to eat for a match, but that was my meal,

693
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: like every night almost what did you eat? Where we

694
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: would you go?

695
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what's a car, but it's like that

696
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: Italian restaurant next to the hotel the highest were all

697
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: the players.

698
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's in the in the alleyway something like yeah, yeah, that's.

699
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: It's so good. The waiter knows me, he knows really

700
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: what I'm having for anything.

701
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: You got your own table there now, not on table bottom.

702
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe next year when you go back, there'll be

703
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: like a little booth for you. I need people to

704
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: understand how hard that is to do, Like crying is

705
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: a very emotional thing. Your eyes get tired. I mean

706
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: everybody's cried. I mean five minutes later, you're like, I

707
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: want to go to sleep. My eyes are hurting.

708
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, my eyes hurt a lot if I cry really hard.

709
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 5: I wasn't going that hard.

710
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: I to go on core.

711
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to be, but it was a little

712
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: bit I had to let it out. I knew it's

713
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: better to let it out now than go on court

714
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: like that. But I try to somehow block it in

715
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: and put on my game face and act like I

716
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: was never grind it for every match there.

717
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: It's amazing. You know, people need to know how incredibly

718
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: emotionally texting doing this is. And some people, some people

719
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: obviously keep it in. They don't have a tear coming

720
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: out of their eye, but they're shitting themselves.

721
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: You know.

722
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: Before I match, do you feel like as soon as

723
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 2: you play the first point though, you're like, all right,

724
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: I'm good, let's go.

725
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: Well, once it's shuggling up, I started getting used to

726
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: the crowd and everything, so m h.

727
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: So you walk out there on that finals, the music

728
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: and the hole like I.

729
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: Just saw myself go out and enjoy you know, of

730
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: course I wanted to win. You know, I knew like

731
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: if I would want, it would have been it would

732
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: have been crazy, fireworks and everything. It would have been insane.

733
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: And I just I wanted to do everything it can

734
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: to win. But of course if I wouldn't have one,

735
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: and I mean, I.

736
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Was still agree, I'm going to complain how difficult is that?

737
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: Because one of the things that I try and stress

738
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: even with players that I'm coaching or whatever, or with

739
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: myself when I played, is detaching from the outcome, right,

740
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: So you're constantly having to think about not winning.

741
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

742
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: So I always say when you see a player win,

743
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: that moment that you win, that that emotion is the

744
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: first time you can truly let go.

745
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

746
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, of all of that emotion, the crying for two

747
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: weeks and the stress and the no sleeping and that

748
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: moment that to wait before. But the two ol game,

749
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: did you feel like being down Love forty and coming

750
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: back and you hit like five winners or something it

751
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,239
Speaker 2: was a joke. How well you played that game from

752
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: that on? Did you say fuck it like it Love

753
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: forty or were you like.

754
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: Oh I was mad, I was like what the hell?

755
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: Like I was holding my servant, I don't want to.

756
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: Like I mean, if it was three two, I would

757
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: have still fighting, Yeah, of course, but like still, I

758
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to. Just I feel like

759
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: I was giving up that game. I feel like I

760
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: was making on stairs.

761
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: And I was mad.

762
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: I was like, it's not the way I want to go.

763
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what's going to happen. It

764
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: might be four to two when I'm putting myself in

765
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: a tough situation when you know, I had the game.

766
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: I felt like I was holding my serf the whole

767
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: second and you know the beginning of the third set.

768
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just I needed to really come up

769
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: with something. And then when I held I broke her

770
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: serve at four two, I was like, all right, this

771
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: is I'm taking this.

772
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: Did you feel like that was such a shift because

773
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: the game shift.

774
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I remember her shirt. It was

775
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: like thirty y'all, and it was crazy. She served a

776
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: really good white serf on a deuce. It was like

777
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: second or first already, remember, and I hit it and

778
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: it somehow went over the net, like it hit the tape,

779
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: and then she hit a back end downline I was

780
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: going across. It was it was easy. I was surprised,

781
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: and then she missed it by a little bit. I

782
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: was like wow, and then she double faulted, and then

783
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: I was like, I have to take it. And of

784
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: course forty love I'm winning. Started off great everything, and

785
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: then it's forty thirty and I'm like.

786
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 5: Shit, like, do not lose this game.

787
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: This is not the time to lose.

788
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 5: And then I wanted five too.

789
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: And I like threw the ball and I was like, yeah,

790
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: So when she missed that easy ball, you immediately said,

791
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: now I realize that she's not superhuman either, because a

792
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: lot of tennis players, I feel like they get in

793
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: so much in their own shit, what they're feeling, what's

794
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: going on with them, how much they're choking, how nervous

795
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: they are, and they forget that this could possibly be

796
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: happening to the person on the other side of the net. Yeah,

797
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: like and put yourself in the position of like, Okay, yeah,

798
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: this is tough and I'm nervous, but what is she feeling?

799
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: You know, some people don't realize that. And maybe when

800
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: she missed that ball, you went, oh, she's just as

801
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: nervous as me, and maybe even more.

802
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 5: Well, she didn't look nervous.

803
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: I feel like, but that's what you feel, that's what

804
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: you see, but you don't. Maybe if you go, oh,

805
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: they are just as bad as me, maybe they're worse.

806
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: Let's go. I mean she was being pretty calm with

807
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: her emotions. Of course, she was saying come on and everything.

808
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: And after long, I mean, the rallies that we're having

809
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: this unbeliev but yeah, I mean I feel like I

810
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: was getting a lot of emotions. I was yelling during rackets.

811
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: You know, it was roller gods differently that much.

812
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the end, that moment when you won,

813
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: what well.

814
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: And it's bad to see what I kind of wish

815
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: you would have been like a voints and then I

816
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: hit a winner or she missed, they would have been

817
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: different emotions. But like, of course after I won, I

818
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: of course I will take anything to wear. Yeah, of

819
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: course stick the double fault. I told my dad and

820
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: he's like, well, it's better like this than you.

821
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 5: You know, opened five to three and you would have lost,

822
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 5: you know, but it would have been different emotions.

823
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: Let's say like this, if I would have won the

824
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: point or if she would have missed, of course and

825
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: not double faulted.

826
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I can tell you funny. So I

827
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: hate talking about myself a lot of the time in

828
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 2: these because it's it's about you. But I won wimbled

829
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: in my first time in doubles on a double fault

830
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: from Kim Cleister's and trust me, when I when she doubled,

831
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: I went yes. And it's kind of embarrassing because when

832
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 2: I look back on the tape, I'm like, you're such

833
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: an asshole, Like why did you yell out? Because it

834
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: wimbled it's like dead silent as well, And then I'm like, oh,

835
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: I could have been a little more demure about that.

836
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 2: So I was with Lisa. Lisa just turned around like

837
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: what happened? Literally, if you look at the film, She's like,

838
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: what happened? I'm like, it was a double we won,

839
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: so don't feel bad. You'll get that trophy.

840
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter, like drained, and he was like, yeah,

841
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: these two weeks have been I'm so explasted after and

842
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: I literally had to like, I was like, we got

843
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: to go out and celebrate. So I went with my

844
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: Adrians and my dad. We went to like this bar

845
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: and stuff. It was like two thirty in the morning.

846
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: We tried to tell me He's like, let's just stay there,

847
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: let's just have shrapain. And then I'm like, no, We're

848
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: going out, Like that's so funny. Your dad was like

849
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: I'm done.

850
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: No.

851
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: He was so tired. I literally had to beg him

852
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: to go out. But I think but also what people

853
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: don't know is that after you win, then you go

854
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: do press.

855
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 5: I had, like, you three hours of press, thank you sane.

856
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah you won that probable do you finish at ten thirty?

857
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 2: And then you'd go you go press for like three

858
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: hours literally.

859
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

860
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was long and it was funny. I came

861
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: to the press room because they gave me a shop

862
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: pain and I come in It's like fifty people everyone

863
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: and every chair.

864
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, great, there you go. I'll popular.

865
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

866
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: It was so it was a bit of overwhelming, but

867
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: it was nice. I liked and then you get up

868
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: you take the photos the next day. I mean, I

869
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: don't think people realize, like, did you realize, like the

870
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: day after when you woke up and you just did

871
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: you just go did we just do this? This is crazy?

872
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

873
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: I still couldn't believe it.

874
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it's obviously now and before after

875
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: fed Cup you know, I obviously understood what happened, but

876
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 3: it was just insane. I just couldn't believe what happened.

877
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: You know, those pictures, everyone of the photographers, everything, I mean,

878
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: it was it was different. Yes, you never experienced that,

879
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: and it's funny. Before the finals, Catherine told me my

880
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: dad was there. She's like, oh, in case you win tomorrow,

881
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: there's going to be a photo shoot.

882
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: Might you like stop and stop and leave it all

883
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: on that. No, she did not say that to you.

884
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 5: No, she started to go, if you win, there's going

885
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 5: to be a photosho. She's like, just to prepare. I'm like, hey,

886
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: I'll get I understand what I mean, it's normal.

887
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: Catherine, I can't believe she said that. I wonder if

888
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: she said it. Obviously hopefully she said it to both,

889
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: but maybe she just don't. You were the one.

890
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 5: I think she said it to both.

891
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just kidding. I'm sure she said it to

892
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: the post. But that's crazy. Yeah, so you win the

893
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: Aussie you you go to fed Cup. Yeah.

894
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: I went to I mean I stayed like two days

895
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: or something good the photo shoot, and I didn't I

896
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: could have say that long. But yeah, that was a

897
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: hell of a journey.

898
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: It was long, yeah, yeah, but fed Cup's being such

899
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: an important thing for you too.

900
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to go. I mean a lot of people,

901
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: you know, said you still going to fed Cup? Why?

902
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 3: And I just I really wanted to go there, and

903
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: I wanted to be on the team and represent I

904
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: mean I enjoyed fed Cup. I loved being with Kathy,

905
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: and you know, we go way back. So I was

906
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 3: ready to do whatever it needed to be done. And

907
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: I was really happy that she gave me the chance

908
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: to play. I mean, she could have easily not put it.

909
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: Oh I'm pretty sure that would have been on my

910
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: list to play.

911
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: I mean I figured I would, but I mean maybe

912
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 3: she could have just said I need a break since

913
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: I travel.

914
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: I didn't.

915
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 5: I mean, the girls practice already two three days, already

916
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 5: on the corner, and.

917
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: I had to come. And my first practice was was

918
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: with Serena.

919
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 5: I was like, wow, all right, because I was like shit,

920
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 5: I got to really practice. Well. I was like, I

921
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 5: don't know, I can't slack off now.

922
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course I was tired, and but she it

923
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: was good during practice, like she was a She talked

924
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: about Australia, how everything went.

925
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: So she was she was Yeah, she was good. Yeah,

926
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: she says she is like her daughter now you know.

927
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, she's changed Serena, I think after having

928
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: Olympia as well and understanding like how much of a

929
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: role model she is for young women and particularly you,

930
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: who would have looked up to her quite no idea significantly,

931
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: So that's important. So you have this little tough spell

932
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: like after that, like you lost that match at fed

933
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: Cup in the second day, which was a surprise, I'm

934
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: shorty you and to everybody else, and then Dha Dubai,

935
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: like everyone's like, oh, what's going on? You know, like yeah,

936
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: they it wasn't the how tough though, Explain why that's

937
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: so difficult like to do week in and week out,

938
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: Why the respect level for someone like Serena or Roger

939
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: Novak is so incredibly difficult to you can't win every week?

940
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was hard.

941
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 3: I was obviously exhausted, and I had a lot, I

942
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: was traveling a lot, and obviously I was even with

943
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: the first match in Dubai against Iraq, and like I

944
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 3: had the match, I felt like I was playing well.

945
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: I just I mean, I guess it was just tired.

946
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: It was nerves everything altogether, all the pressure and everything.

947
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: And I get there and they're like, oh, so you

948
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: think about winning this tournament and I'm like, come on, like,

949
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be cocking and say, yeah, I'm gonna

950
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 3: win everything.

951
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: You know.

952
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 5: I don't want to establish myself like that.

953
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: I want to do what everyone's doing, going there to

954
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: a tournament trying to win every match for myself and

955
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: you know what happens, happens. If it doesn't, there's many

956
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: more tournaments to come.

957
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: How different did the mindset though? Just because you want

958
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: a Grand Slam and like it, Look, a lot of

959
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: people have had difficulties after they won the Slams to

960
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: then deal with the pressure and the expectation.

961
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 5: And you're still so young, like you know, yeah, I'm

962
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 5: happy that I wanted to sage.

963
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah you just want Leon obviously, Oh.

964
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 5: Whatever doesn't matter. Yeah, I know, but no, it was

965
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 5: obviously different.

966
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: I am obviously I felt the pressure and everything, but

967
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: I try to didn't do the best to manage it,

968
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 3: which is understandable.

969
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 5: And I had to keep people.

970
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: After telling me like, look, you just want to show

971
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: and open You're fine, Like it's just two tournaments. You know,

972
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: is everything's gonna be fine, nothing bad is happening, you know,

973
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: And they're like, I'd rather win a Grand Slam and

974
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 3: not win a match, and you know, so it was

975
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: words of encouragement obviously, and obviously some people from WTA

976
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: told me, you know, also it's not a big deal.

977
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: This is how and it's not like it doesn't happen,

978
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: and it's human, you know, it's not like I'm anything different.

979
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: So no, I try to somehow lock it out. And

980
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: just of course I was frustrated after a dogha. I mean,

981
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: I didn't have the best match against Yestramska. Of course,

982
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: she played well, which is understandable. She's a great player,

983
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: playing really well. Obviously has no pressure against playing. She

984
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: has no Grand Slam, you know, so I would have

985
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: obviously been in that position as well. If I would

986
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: have played Naomi after she won, I would have you know,

987
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: I would have.

988
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 5: Been flying like a bird.

989
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: I would have.

990
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: You know, So if you can look ahead like ten years,

991
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: if you're still playing, obviously everyone jokes like I'm not

992
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: going to be playing. I'm like, yeah, you just wait

993
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: and see it. Yeah, it's hard to let go, but

994
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: like if you if there was a group of girls

995
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: like that, you could be, like have this great rivalry

996
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: with would that make it more enjoyable? Like to have

997
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: these like great matches and great rivalries going ahead with

998
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: someone like a Naomi or you know, there's so many

999
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: young players, even Coco if she keeps developing. And I mean,

1000
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: is that more exciting for you to have these great matches?

1001
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: Like do you relish in those or do you would

1002
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: you rather win everything easy? I mean obviously easy, but yeah.

1003
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: Of course everyone's to win anything easy. But I guess

1004
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 3: you got to have those matches, those rivals with all

1005
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: those players. I mean, Ash and Covido have they play

1006
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 3: each other every week.

1007
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 5: They really yeah, but they have so much respect for

1008
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 5: each other, and it's obviously nice to see after.

1009
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: The match they're they're good. It's not like how some

1010
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: other girls can be.

1011
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: After the match.

1012
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: They hate each other, they talk crap about each other

1013
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. So, I mean, they handle it well.

1014
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: It's really professionally how they handle it. A slow and

1015
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: in Madison Keys, let's get an example, a good example

1016
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: after you so and you know Maddie was completely in tears.

1017
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 5: Of course, obviously I cannot speak for her but I'm

1018
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 5: sure she didn't.

1019
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 3: Didn't feel like she played well and slow and obviously

1020
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: understood and took the moment and you know, really helped her.

1021
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: So so it wouldn't be in this I mean, there's

1022
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 3: a lot of people like can mentioned that, so it'd

1023
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: be good to have that. I can always compete against

1024
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: them and we can push each other and have each

1025
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: other's back. But right now, having found that person, and do.

1026
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: You feel like it's important for you also with your

1027
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 2: legacy going forward that you want to be that player

1028
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: that win or lose, you are respectful and like that

1029
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 2: is that part of like what you want to establish

1030
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: as well, because that's important.

1031
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I mean I feel I mean, some people

1032
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: obviously tell me that whoever you're playing, obviously you respect

1033
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: the person number one, but obviously you you try to

1034
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: use it to your advantage. You're still there to win,

1035
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: you're obviously showing that you're not going to give up.

1036
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: But obviously after the match you respect the person, then

1037
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: you respect everything that she's done. So I obviously want

1038
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: to leave that. I don't I want to be respectful.

1039
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a tennis match, it's nothing. Yeah, of

1040
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: course we all want to win. We all want to

1041
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 3: do the same thing. So it's nothing.

1042
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 5: It's not a secret, but there should be obviously respect

1043
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 5: after the match.

1044
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 2: You're beyond your years. I like it, just a little

1045
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: bit on what is the Do you think it's important

1046
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: that you have this sort of the Russian background with

1047
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: your parents and that growing up with that influence around you.

1048
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: But yet you're very American as well. You know, you've

1049
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: got your American flag on your racket and you represent

1050
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: so well at fed Cup and you've grown up in

1051
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: the United States. But that juxtaposition of Russian American do

1052
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: you think that that actually has really helped you because

1053
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Russians have that like I'm gonna

1054
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: bite you a nankle and I'm not gonna let go

1055
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: of your like this.

1056
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: It's a part of Russian side, you know, like fearce competitive,

1057
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: you know, not giving up fighting for so the end,

1058
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what's going to happen on court. You know,

1059
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fight.

1060
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 5: But of course I'm happy to present America the great flag.

1061
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 5: And yeah, again I cannot say anything else.

1062
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: No, that's great. I think that's great. But I think

1063
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: having that Russian mentality sometimes as well.

1064
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: I still have Russian people say you always you have

1065
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: the Russian part of you, so that's obviously gonna be

1066
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: with me forever.

1067
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, that's hard to teach. I think for

1068
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: Americans growing out, they have such a great life, right,

1069
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: you know, everything's not given to them, but they everything's

1070
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: in abundance in the United States. But I think your

1071
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: parents probably let you know that it's not always like this.

1072
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, you should take this fight for it.

1073
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, life is not so beautiful how things. You

1074
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: know there's going to be battle, stuff last and stuff everything,

1075
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: and you go to somehow find away to fight back.

1076
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: So a little funny thing happened the other day. You

1077
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: did a photo shoot. The photograph for us, you to

1078
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: wrap your racket or put your thank you, I can't

1079
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: even say grip your racket. And you said, I don't

1080
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: know how to.

1081
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 5: I'm not the only one that doesn't know how to

1082
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 5: do it.

1083
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: I know, really, who else doesn't know how to grip

1084
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: their own racket? I know, if you're gonna throw people

1085
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: under the bus, you better have a name.

1086
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna give names.

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00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. Do you know someone for a fact,

1088
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: or you're just making this ship up.

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00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: I think I know, but I'm not gonna throw this

1090
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: person at the bus by now, all right, that's fine

1091
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: without proof for me.

1092
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: Without proof, without proof, you're still gonna throw them under

1093
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: the bus.

1094
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 5: And I can ask this person.

1095
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god. No, well, let's get back to you.

1096
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: You cannot grip your own racket.

1097
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 5: I mean no, I can.

1098
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: I can't know like I do it, like when I

1099
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: was with you, like I try to, like grip my racket,

1100
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: and I asked Caroline door Lie, do grip my rackets?

1101
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 5: But I mean I tried myself. My dad try to

1102
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 5: teach me, but I was like, he's doing it, I.

1103
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: Might as well.

1104
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: I mean, this could be the difference maker. If you

1105
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: know you're gonna move on to another coach, you better

1106
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: start learning how to do your own grip rackets.

1107
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 5: So my dad's gonna be with me anyway.

1108
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: Oh so you're going to make your dad grip the

1109
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: racket anyway. So Dad, here's your deal. This is your job.

1110
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: Grip my racket.

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00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 5: Oh man, I's gonna be there with me for a

1112
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 5: moral and everything.

1113
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: So I'm just giving you ship. I'm just I just

1114
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: can't believe you can't grip your own racket. That's that's

1115
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: kind of funny if there's one moment with your dad

1116
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 2: that you could I mean, listen, we had a funny

1117
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: moment like in Guangzhou last year where they brought a

1118
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 2: bus and we couldn't get our luggage on there.

1119
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 5: And I remember that you were so mad. You were like,

1120
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 5: weren't the hell of I think.

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00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: Your dad was mad at Yeah, yeah, so I think

1122
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: I was trying to de escalate the situation and get

1123
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: us ubers. But it was kind of a funny moment,

1124
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: Like this is the stuff that people don't see, is

1125
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: like all the ship that goes on. I mean you

1126
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: were in You, me, Sam, your dad were like slepping

1127
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: like six bags onto a train and go on too,

1128
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: from Guangzhou to Wuhan. All the schlepping and taking bad

1129
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: it's like one hundred meters and they wanted to drop

1130
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: us like around the corner and like have us walk.

1131
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: We're like, we don't know where to go.

1132
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 5: What are you supposed to do?

1133
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: This is like the stuff that people don't see. They

1134
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: think that tennis is so glorious and living in this

1135
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: first class.

1136
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 3: Was having problems with my tennis bag. Oh it's too big.

1137
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: You cannot take this bag and the plane. Oh you

1138
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: got to check in your rackets, and you don't want

1139
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: check in my rackets. They're you know, it's I need to.

1140
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: Play with it. Yeah, there's a break.

1141
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: What am I gonna do?

1142
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: Oh?

1143
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: No, no problem. And a couple of years will start

1144
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: sending them maybe, but just kidding. Yeah. I asked you

1145
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: yesterday what was the worst place you'd played? And we

1146
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 2: all went through it, Sam said, she said, you said, Tyler, Texas. Yeah,

1147
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: do you remember what it was?

1148
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: That was just like when it was depressing. I mean

1149
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: obviously those aren't like these tournaments, but it was completely depressing.

1150
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: I just wanted to you know, I was waiting for

1151
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: the week to be over so I could just leave already.

1152
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be out of that place. And

1153
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: it was it was complete depression. I just I was

1154
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: there to play on match and that's it. It wasn't

1155
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: even about enjoying it. It just to win, try to

1156
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: get points and never come back to those places.

1157
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: Well that's the key, right, I Mean you're looking these

1158
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: smaller tournaments and you're like, god, I just don't want

1159
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: to go back here. But you know, this is what

1160
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: people think that you just pop into like the top

1161
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: fifty and you're like playing on the WTA too. Hell no,

1162
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: you're doing years of like schlepping challenges.

1163
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and of course you can tell that it's completely different.

1164
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: I mean some ternaments are nice, they do it well,

1165
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: which I enjoyed, but still, I mean, I just wanted

1166
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 3: to get points. And you know, my dad was always

1167
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: telling you trying to get points and try to do everything.

1168
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: You can't just stay there because you don't want to

1169
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: go back, and it's of course I don't want to

1170
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: go back.

1171
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you're going back, my friend. I

1172
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 2: think you're here to stay for a really long time.

1173
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: I look forward to the rest of your career. I

1174
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: love watching you play. I just you're a very good

1175
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: inspiration for a lot of kids out there that get

1176
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: told no and you'll never be good enough. I mean

1177
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: Ash was the same. She was told she's not tall enough,

1178
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: she's not you know, doesn't look like she could be

1179
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: a player. And then you know, you're in a great

1180
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: example of what it's It's about hard work and it's

1181
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: about creativity. And you have the creativity on the court,

1182
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: which is so fun to watch, you know, And I

1183
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: think that you don't get enough credit for that part

1184
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: of your game. So I'm just happy to be watching

1185
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: the rest of this great career that you're gonna have.

1186
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 3: Awesome.

1187
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, You're welcome, Thanks for joining us, for having

1188
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: your dad's coin, what that thing for Positi? Thanks everybody,

1189
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: Thank you, And that's.

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Speaker 1: It for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast. Thanks

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00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,440
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00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,160
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