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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. On the world stage,

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Speaker 1: we're watching Russia, Iran, Israel. But while we are intensely

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Speaker 1: watching these conflicts, there's still a lot going.

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Speaker 2: On in the background. With China.

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Speaker 1: You've likely noticed Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, visited

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Speaker 1: with Chinese President Jijingping. That left a lot of people saying,

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Speaker 1: what is the exactly is going on? Are they going

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Speaker 1: to kick Joe Biden out? Is Gavin newsoen going to

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Speaker 1: step into this presidential race? Actually, the President Biden's he's

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Speaker 1: having his own meeting with the President of China, or

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Speaker 1: maybe we should say the dictator of China next week,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to be talking all about this with

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Speaker 2: Gordon, thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, tutor.

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Speaker 2: So I want to.

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Speaker 1: Really quickly go to what your thoughts are on Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom's week visit to China. He said he was talking

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Speaker 1: about climate change with I personally find kind of hilarious

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Speaker 1: because he goes to China, the number one polluter in

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Speaker 1: the world. It's like, hey, could you help us out?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's really going on behind the scenes with

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Speaker 3: I think this trip was a disaster on many fronts.

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Speaker 3: First of all, he was repeating Communist Party talking points

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Speaker 3: about the US China relations and even the awful Biden

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Speaker 3: administration doesn't do that. So that was strike What two

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Speaker 3: was that electric vehicle? You know, I don't like them.

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Speaker 3: I don't have one. I don't think I'll ever own one.

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Speaker 3: But the point is, if you're going to sit in one,

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Speaker 3: it should be an American EV. What Gavin Newsom did

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Speaker 3: was promoting Chinese products over American ones. That was just

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Speaker 3: plain awful. And then of course that strike Strike three

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Speaker 3: is he runs over that little kid that Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: I can sort of excuse strike three, but strikes one

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Speaker 3: I think that he showed that he was not prepared

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Speaker 1: But what has Okay, I want to kind of unpack

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Speaker 1: same thing with President Biden's administration, and I think there

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Speaker 1: are people who have been in government for years understand

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Speaker 1: how it works. I mean, there are just even protocols

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Speaker 1: posting pictures of your special forces overseas. I mean tiny

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Speaker 2: Being let go behind the scenes? And how did this happen?

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of things. You know, we all talk

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Speaker 3: I'm much more concerned about possible blackmail because Hunter Biden

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Speaker 3: of Hunter Biden's conduct which could be used to blackmail

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Speaker 3: We'll get to the bottom of the money, but we

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Speaker 3: Biden's instincts on China, like his instincts on almost every

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Speaker 3: foreign policy matter, there's just plain raw, you know. Robert Gates,

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Speaker 3: to his China policy views that were out of date

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Speaker 3: know whether the reason is corruption, blackmail, or just being

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Speaker 1: Biden is in that situation, but you do have Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe has done the research. Certainly shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: young people who are getting involved in government. We have

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Speaker 1: don't think it's enough. It's been a teaching of leniency

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Speaker 1: when America falls. And I'm not saying that we're close

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Speaker 1: have free trade. And honestly, Biden's meeting with Jijiping in

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Speaker 1: about cybersecurity. This is after this balloon went across the country.

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Speaker 1: It comes directly from China. How do we how do

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. And you know, China with COVID

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Speaker 3: killed one point one million Americans. And I believe that

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Speaker 3: whatever the origins of the disease were, that Sijenping, after

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Speaker 3: In lockdowns are controversial, but by locking down his own country,

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Speaker 3: one million Americans according to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center.

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Speaker 3: But then again there's the seventy thousand Americans who died

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Speaker 3: this is a failure of President Biden and his predecessors

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Speaker 3: to understand what's going on. These fentanyl gangs in China

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Speaker 3: But we know that the regime promotes fentanyl sales from

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Speaker 3: other things, and that is, for instance, Chinese diplomats provide

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Speaker 3: not be able to effectively deal with Ventanyl. We should

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Speaker 3: not be inviting siegenping on our soil. He killed seventy

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Speaker 1: I mean, it blows my mind that we would allow

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Speaker 3: the nineteen forty eight Genocide Convention, which requires us to

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Speaker 1: Genocide is something we're suddenly hearing a lot about, and

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Speaker 1: happening in China, who is their target and how are

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Speaker 3: The target are Vegas, Cossacks and other Turkic minorities who

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Speaker 3: and that according to the Genocide Conventions, either Article two

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Speaker 3: Wigas are dying in those facilities because China actually built

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Speaker 3: there's rape, torture, and all sorts of heinous crimes. This

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Speaker 3: and the world has just ignored it. We have, especially Biden.

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Speaker 3: Biden has allowed the products of slave and forced labor

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Speaker 1: it's to me it's very risky with our national security

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think the US survives if that happens.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have a president who's a Catholic, but

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Speaker 3: presided over the most rapid collapse of American foreign policy

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Speaker 3: or standing in the world in our lifetimes. And right

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Speaker 3: now we have what looks like the beginning of the

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Speaker 3: global conflict, with wars in Europe effectively, a war in Africa,

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Speaker 3: and a war in Middle East, which is Asia. So

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Speaker 3: that's three continents, and the media won't you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: it looks like I won't talk about Biden's faith and

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Speaker 3: his failure to not follow his faith. So I find

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Speaker 3: it really distressing, which is one of the reasons why

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Speaker 3: I tweet about Preyer, because not that I'm especially religious,

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Speaker 3: but I am especially concerned about the direction of this country.

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Speaker 3: And I do believe that we need to pray and

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Speaker 3: we need to renew our faith in God, and if

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Speaker 3: we do that, we'll be okay. If we don't, we won't.

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Speaker 1: There are so many right now, all of these young

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Speaker 1: activists who are they're looking for something bigger. And it's

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Speaker 1: funny because I've talked to so many experts in why

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Speaker 1: are these young kids who aren't connected to this cause,

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Speaker 1: whether it be BLM or Palestine, that they haven't had

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Speaker 1: a real life experience, but they're going and they're being

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Speaker 1: drawn into these causes that are causing a lot of

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Speaker 1: destruction and damaged. And a lot of folks have said, well,

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Speaker 1: it's this lack of faith, because faith has always given

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Speaker 1: you something to believe in that's bigger than yourself, and

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Speaker 1: so there is a direction to go.

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Speaker 2: There's like a I.

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Speaker 1: Mean a guide book when he said he looks to

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Speaker 1: the Bible for his worldview, it's a guidebook, right, that's.

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Speaker 2: The word of God.

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Speaker 1: And that as that has deteriorated, we have seen a

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Speaker 1: country that has more depression, that has more more activism

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Speaker 1: that is misplaced, and a lot of people that a

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Speaker 1: lot of young people that are striving for some people,

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Speaker 1: but they just can't seem to find it. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's kind of I feel like it's time for

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Speaker 1: us to speak up and talk about what prayer does

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Speaker 1: for those who are faithful and how there is a

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Speaker 1: higher power that guides us.

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Speaker 2: And I think when.

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Speaker 1: I saw this, you know, I saw the chaos with

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Speaker 1: this kership and I kept thinking, this is crazy, we

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Speaker 1: were making We're bringing.

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Speaker 2: Problems upon ourselves. Why are we going through this?

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Speaker 1: But then I was reminded God always has a plan

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Speaker 1: and it's always good when I saw all of these

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Speaker 1: attacks against Speaker Johnson's faith, because I thought all of

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Speaker 1: these people are now seeing him calm, He doesn't get rattled.

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Speaker 2: Just hey, this is who.

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Speaker 1: I am, and that's where I go for my information,

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Speaker 1: and I will lead. And I'm anxious to see where

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Speaker 1: God takes this because I think it could be very cool.

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Speaker 3: You know, Tutor in China, which the regime is relentless

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Speaker 3: in its persecution of faith, the one thing it can't

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Speaker 3: do is it can't stop the growth of Protestant Christianity.

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Speaker 3: And that tells you a lot about renewal through faith,

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Speaker 3: and we should take that as an example and we

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Speaker 3: should be heartened by it. We're in a free country.

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Speaker 3: We have to do all we can to renew faith

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Speaker 3: in God, and I believe that that will happen. As

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Speaker 3: you say, God works in mysterious ways, and I do

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Speaker 3: believe that He does have a plan and that plan

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Speaker 3: will save us.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for being here today. It

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Speaker 1: was a great conversation, Gordon Chang. I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Tutor. I had a blast, and

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the.

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