1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young barista goes 2 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: missing from a coffee shop. But not just any coffee shop. 3 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: This coffee shop is situated in the middle of a 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: parking lot. Have you ever seen one of those? It 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: can be any number of businesses. It can be a Starbucks, 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: it can be an ice cream shop, it can be 7 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: any will stand up. They're not big at all, almost 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: the size of a shed where you drive through on 9 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: one side and come out in the other. But the 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: point is she's in the middle of a parking lot 11 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: and the coffee shop is lit up day and night. 12 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: You can see straight in Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 13 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories with me, an 14 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it 15 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: back together again. First of all, Ashy Wilcot, judge and 16 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: trial lawyer anchor Court TV. You can find her at 17 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: ashe Wilcot dot com. Bobby Chicone, former special agent, FBI 18 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: screenwriter Criminal Minds and worked on this case in his 19 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: capacity as an FBI Special agent. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, 20 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills. Cheryl McCollum, director, founder of 21 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute and Crime Online dot Com 22 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Nicole Parton. I just don't understand how somebody 23 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: goes missing that's sitting out in a lit up coffee 24 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: shop in the middle of a parking lot. How does 25 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: that happen? First of all, to Bobby Chicone, a former 26 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: special agent FBI who actually worked on this case. Bobby, 27 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: I want to start by describing the coffee shop and 28 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: the location where Samantha goes missing, because if you take 29 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: a look at it, how can anybody not see it? 30 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Bobby Chicone, isn't there an intersection there nobody 31 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: could look over and see the coffee shop? Yeah? And 32 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: it's actually on a pretty busy highway. It's a two 33 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: lane each way with a divider in the middle. I 34 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: was actually at that kiosk just a few months ago. 35 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: I went back up to Anchorage and I stood at 36 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: that coffee shop. Okay, Bobby, that's a little creepy, not 37 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: that you went back, but just think about it. The 38 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: next girl that works there, what's got to be going 39 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: through her mind? So back to what you were just saying, 40 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: you were just there, what did you observe? Now? I 41 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: observed that it's it is only a few parking spaces 42 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: away from this major highway that has there two lanes 43 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: running each way. It's in a shopping center that has 44 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: a gym where people work out, which means people are 45 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: coming and going, you know, at all different hours of 46 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: the day or night. This shop is barely big enough 47 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 1: for two people to fit in. It's like a closet, 48 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: and it's made for people to drive up or walk 49 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: up to it, not to come inside, but to drive 50 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: up like an old photomats somebody my age would remember. 51 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: And so it is out in the middle of kind 52 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: of of a parking motters you would think. And Bobby 53 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: to count if you come forward to the street from 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: where Samantha was working in the coffee shop, isn't there 55 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: an intersection there, not too far ahead of the coffee shop? 56 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: There is, And there's a traffic light there where cars 57 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: are you know, obviously ultinely stopped when the lights change 58 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: and things like that. So there would be people, there 59 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: would be cars lined up at that traffic light at 60 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: different times. Yeah, that brings into a whole line of investigation. 61 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Because Cheryl McCollum, directorcal Case Research Institute, I'm always mystified 62 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: when crime goes down. Okay, let's just say tuopucks cur 63 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: that's a great, great example. Nobody saw anything. How can 64 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: you not see anything? It's in the open. This girl, 65 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: a teen girl, is working her job at a coffee 66 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: shop right there, it's lit up at night. In daytime, 67 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: you can see straight in there and see you're making coffee. 68 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: And the fact that people stopped at the red light 69 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: very often don't look either way, right, But when you 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: do look, this is what inherited that people understand. When 71 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: you look, people normally are only going to be attracted 72 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: to something that is unusual that shouldn't be. Somebody standing 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: at a window of a coffee shop ordering coffee is 74 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: not going to get anybody the picture. You know. It's 75 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: a little freaky, Cheryl, but but I understand it. Usually 76 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: we think of drive throughs, right when you're at a McDonald's. 77 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: Let's just go with that. Or let's say Starbucks. This 78 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: was not a Starbucks. It was independently owned. How often 79 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: do you see somebody cut in line at McDonald's, place 80 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: an order at the drive through and walk up? Never 81 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: have you ever? The only time I've seen a pedestrian 82 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: and a McDonald's drive through. It's when they were robbing 83 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: or diving through the window trying to get money. Have 84 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: you ever can I make a comment about this, Kathany, 85 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: please talk some sense into Cheryl McCullum. Okay, Nancy, this 86 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: was in the dead of winter and there was a 87 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: huge snow bank between the highway and this little kiosk. 88 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: You're right, and it was dark, you know what. I 89 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: was about to bring that up, and I'm glad you 90 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: beat me to it, explained Bethany the significance of that. Okay, 91 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: So this little parking lot, and as the former guest 92 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: just said, you know there was a gym, there were 93 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: other businesses, but this was nighttime. This was not in 94 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: the middle of the day. You know, the sun shining 95 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: as I understand, and when people drove up the highway, 96 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: you know, a kiosk is going to be located so 97 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: people on the highway can see it, right, because that's 98 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: its best advertising. Okay, let's address that to Bobby Chicone. 99 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: We have skipped ahead to the weather conditions, so let's 100 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: address it now. I was right in the middle of 101 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: addressing the fact that, for instance, when you're at a 102 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: red light, how often do you really look around. So 103 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: many people are fiddling with their radio or their serious XM. 104 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: Or they're talking to their children in the back seat, 105 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: they're talking on the phone. God forbid, they're texting. But 106 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: how often, Bobby chicone to, people really look around and 107 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: take in what they're seeing when they're parked at a 108 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: red light. They going and in fact, I think you 109 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: hit on it right now in our time, they're probably 110 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: finishing their last text as soon as the car comes 111 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: to a stop, and or texting out to someone. And 112 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: there's a huge lack In fact, they probably pay less 113 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: attention when they're stopped because their attention because where they're driving, 114 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: their attentions on the road. When they're not, it's probably 115 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: on their phone. And and so I you know, it's 116 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: not really an automatic given that someone just because they're 117 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: stopped in a car that light is going to be 118 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: looking around. When you actually look at the coffee stand 119 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: where Samantha went missing, Bethany's right, there's a huge snow 120 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: bank around it. This happened in Anchorage, and just looking 121 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: at it, that snowbank, it looks to be about ten 122 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: feet tall. Yeah, the night, the night of the incident 123 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: when Samantha are missing. There was a huge snowbank. This 124 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: was in winter in Anchorage. Nine o'clock at night is 125 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: really the middle of the night in Anchorage because of 126 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: how much darkness they have up there in winter. And 127 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: it was just before closing, and so many of the 128 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: people that would normally use that the regular snow when 129 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: it closes, and they, you know, they just don't go 130 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: at night when it's about to close. So this was 131 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: just before closing time, and so it was empty. The 132 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: parking lot was obscure from the main road because of 133 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: that huge snowbank. When they plowed that parking lot, they 134 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: plowed all of the snow from the parking lot up 135 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: against the berm that separates the parking lot in the 136 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: main highway is about a ten foot stretch there of grass, 137 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: and they just piled all that snow up on that grass, 138 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: which completely obscured that parking lot from the road. With 139 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: me former FBI special agent Bobby Shicon, screenwriter Criminal Minds, 140 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: who worked this case. Bobby, as I recall the photo, 141 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: you have the street, then you have the parking lot 142 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: with the coffee shop here, then the strip shopping centers 143 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: behind it, but between the coffee shop and the Strip center. 144 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: That's where the snow had been shoveled so people could 145 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: drive through or come up to the coffee shop. So 146 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: was the actual gem and everything else behind it separated 147 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: from view. The view is obscured even by them because 148 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: of the snow bank. It was, and in fact the 149 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: coff of the way. And I stirred this coffee shop 150 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: and looked at it, and the way the coffee shop 151 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: is situated. It's on the side of the Strip mall, 152 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: So all those storefronts and the gym face into a 153 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: parking lot that's not where the kiosk is located. So 154 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: when you first drive in, yes, the kiosk is right there, 155 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: but it's actually on the side of the Strip mall, 156 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: so it faces this basically blank wall of the gym 157 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: that has no windows. It's actually it's actually perpendiculous, so 158 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: it faces the mini the mall faces away from the 159 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: coffee shop. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking 160 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Series Sex and one to 161 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: eleven about the disappearance of a beautiful young eighteen year 162 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: old very working at a coffee shop until it closed 163 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: that night. Now here's the problem. Happened in Anchorage. Not 164 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: only was it in the evening near closing time, a 165 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: huge snow bank had developed around, really around the coffee stand, 166 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: separating it from the Strip Center where it was situated 167 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: in front of the strip center. But not only that, 168 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: they have six months daytime, six months nighttime. Remember, so 169 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: it's pitch dark at the time Samantha was closing shop. 170 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: Really didn't matter what time of the day it was, 171 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: because it's dark. We discussed how people pulling right up 172 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: to the intersection don't look either way, don't see anything 173 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: going on around them, and sadly even the people in 174 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: that Strip Center couldn't see through a mountain of snow 175 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: a snow bank. But then the first clue emerges. Take 176 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at NBC Anchorage worried about 177 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: her safety. The search continues tonight for a teenager kidnap 178 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: from her job at a coffee staff. We learned a 179 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: few minutes ago that the family of Samantha Coning is 180 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: offering a twelve thou five hundred dollars reward for information 181 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: leading to her whereabouts. In this weekend, family and friends 182 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: planned to post thousands of more flyers around Anchorage as 183 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: they intensify their search for the missing eighteen year old. 184 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: Detectives now say a surveillance camera posted above the entrance 185 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: to the common Grounds Espresso Hut on Tudor and Fairbanks 186 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: shows an armed man abducting Coning on Wednesday night. Please 187 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: say the two left the area on foot in Coning's 188 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: family has not heard from her, sins how in the 189 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: world could he get in, overpower her and get her 190 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: to leave without her fighting and running. At first, police 191 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: think this must be staged. Joining me crime online dot 192 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: Com and Instigator reporter at Nicole Parton, I want to 193 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: talk about the way the condition that the coffee shop 194 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: was left. Isn't it true that there was a half 195 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: made Americano cup of coffee sitting on the counter being 196 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: made when she was taken. That's correct, Nancy, there was 197 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: this half cup there being made. Of course, this was 198 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: her job. Eighteen year old Samantha had landed what her 199 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: friends and family called her dream job. She had a 200 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: bubbly personality, enjoyed communicating with the public, and there was 201 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 1: this half made coffee. So it's believed that she was 202 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of making something for a customer who 203 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: had approached the coffee shop. Take a listen now to 204 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: our friends at Oxygen, one of their specials in the 205 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: search for Samantha. As daybreak so for Anchorage, Samantha's dad 206 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: calls the local police to report his only daughter missing. 207 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: One of our officers contacted the owner of common Grounds 208 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: coffee shop and she was able to show them video. 209 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: A man came to the little kiosk window at eight o'clock. 210 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: Samantha made a coffee drink for him, turned back around, 211 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: and then you can tell she's shocked. You see her 212 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: body language change. She goes from someone who's just serving 213 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: someone a coffee to being very nervous and very concerned. 214 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: Samantha turns out the lights and you can see the 215 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: individual jumping in through the window. You can tell she's 216 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: sort of going along with him because he thinks that 217 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: he's going to rob the place. It just didn't come 218 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: across to her that she was in danger until he 219 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: starts walking her out of Samantha and the individual leave 220 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: the coffee stand and then disappear from the line of 221 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: sight from the camera. The next day, her dad was 222 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: raising hell about this, trying to figure out where his 223 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: daughter went. Used this area as a meeting place because 224 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: this is where my daughter was taken from. People were 225 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: just literally like whose basement is she in? Whose door 226 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: do we have to go knock down and to find her? 227 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: The reality is is she dead or alive? Joining me 228 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: right now, Special guest, Doctor Kendall Crowns, Deputy Medical Examiner, 229 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: Travis County, Texas. That's Austin, doctor Crowns. If she's alive 230 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: and she's in the elements the snow, how long can 231 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: you live in snow like you would find in Anchorage, Alaska. Well, 232 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: if the temperature is probably below zero, I would imagine 233 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: because it's Alaska, she wouldn't be able to live very long, 234 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: especially if she's not dressed for the weather. Would I 235 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: would estimate she probably freeze to death within a half hour. 236 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: When you freeze to death hypothermia, what happens to your body, Well, 237 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: initially you become confused, and then at some point your 238 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: body tries to warm you up by dilating the vessels. 239 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: And when your vessels dilate, your body has this warm sensation. 240 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: So often we see people undressed because they think they're 241 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: getting warm right before they die. It's called paradix mexical undressing. 242 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: Then after you die, your tissues, because you're mainly water, 243 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: begin to freeze and you actually become as hard as 244 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: a rock. Either outlook is bleak. Either she's alive and 245 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: out there, or she's dead. The other possibility, as you heard, 246 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: is she in somebody's basement being tortured. We hear just 247 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: then about her body language. Once that security surveillance is 248 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: revealed that she was surprised taken aback. But now take 249 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: a listen to more from our friends at Oxygen. Just 250 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: a few days into the search, police discover a promising 251 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: lead new surveillance footage captured by a neighboring business from 252 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: the night of Samantha's abduction. We're able to determine that 253 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: Samantha walked to a white pickup truck and then the 254 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: truck drives away. They could estimate about the year that 255 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: it was built. It was like a ninety nine through 256 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven Chevrolet pickup truck white. So at 257 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: that point it's a matter of trying to track found 258 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: how many of those vehicles are in the Anchorage Bowl, 259 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: and there were several thousand of them. Now we're on 260 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: the hunt. It's like looking for a needle in a 261 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: haystack for a white pickup, and that was only found 262 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: through surveillance video of a neighboring business. So clearly to you, 263 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, Director Coal Case Research Institute, he parked away 264 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: from where she was, knowing his car would be spotted 265 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: on that video, walked up, got her, walked her to 266 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: his white truck that was out of view of the 267 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: coffee shop surveillance, and took off. If you look at 268 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: the surveillance video, he's walking almost like he's got his 269 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: hand on her back, like there are a couple again. 270 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: There's no struggling, she's not fighting, she's not screaming. You 271 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: would not notice this, I'm just telling you you wouldn't. 272 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: It looks like it's just a couple walk into a 273 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: trust and you know, even with the obstruction of the 274 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: snowbike and the like being out, he made her turn 275 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: the lights out. So nobody's going to look at a 276 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: closed coffee shop and stare at it again. This whole 277 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: thing just looks like it ought to be happening. I 278 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: guarantee you joining me. Asky Wilcott Judge trial on your 279 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: anchor Court TV. He doesn't just have his back his 280 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: hand on her back. I guarantee you he's got a 281 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: gun in that hand. When you said, you know, why 282 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't she be fighting for her life, that's the answer 283 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: to me. It's because when someone has a gun, we 284 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: don't know how we're going to react. And that beautiful 285 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 1: young girl, probably because of the gun, just did what 286 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: he said and was compliant, which I would suggest a 287 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: lot of people would do in that scenario. So I 288 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: absolutely agree with you. There's a gun, and that's how 289 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: you get someone to comply and not fight for their lives. 290 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: And she gets in the car. I've already drilled it 291 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: into my children. Whatever you do, do not get in 292 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: the vehicle crime stories with Nancy Grace Guy's a disappearance 293 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: of this young barista ultimately ends up bringing in the FBI. 294 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Oxygen. Due to 295 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: the growing scope of the case, local authorities contact the 296 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: FBI Field office. When bring manpower, we bring expertise, profilers. 297 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: You know, these are things that sometimes a local police 298 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: department might not have. The FBI assigns Joline Goden as 299 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: the lead investigator. Jolene's pretty well known as someone who's 300 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: the top agent, and one thing Joline excels at is 301 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: she can delve into somebody's history with the best of 302 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: or reviewing social media, We're reviewing phone rockers, We're really 303 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: looking at anything we possibly can to determine is this 304 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: a personal thing with Samantha, is a person that took her, 305 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: somebody that knew her? Or is this truly a stranger abduction? 306 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: Then two and a half weeks after Samantha's abduction, there's 307 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: a chilling turn in the case. Her boyfriend just goes 308 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: sheet white. He's got his phone and there's a text 309 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: from her phone. Basically it says Connor's Park underneath Albert 310 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: Pick Ain't she purty? Authority's race to Connor's Lake Park, 311 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: just five miles southwest of Downham Anchorage, not knowing what's 312 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: waiting for them. When you enter that park, there's a 313 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: bulletin board and tact was a zip block bag that 314 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: had what ultimately was a photograph of Samantha and a 315 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: ransom note. The fact that there was a ransom note 316 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: really ratchets of the tension because of, Okay, she's alive 317 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: and what are we going to do to get her back? 318 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: And now we learn more details. Take a listen to 319 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: our friends at Oxygen. The text message sent from Samantha's 320 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: phone directs investigators to their biggest yet, a ransom note 321 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: with a picture of the missing girl. In the photograph, 322 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: Samantha was bound tape on her mouth, but it was 323 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: obviously intentionally made fuzzier. So if they took the photograph 324 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: to her father for him to identify it, he, after 325 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: looking at it for a long time, said, yes, that's Samantha, 326 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: but her hair was in a gray and Samantha never 327 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: wore her hair that way. In the ransom note, Samantha's kidnapped, 328 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: her demands thirty thousand dollars be placed in her bank account. 329 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: Is really our biggest break because we know that we 330 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: can still potentially have contact with a person responsible for 331 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: taking Samantha. Authorities work with her dad to deposit a 332 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: portion of the ransom, and then they wait. I told 333 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: them he's going to use her debit carton if he 334 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: was going to do something stupid, that was going to 335 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: be the one thing he did that was stupid, because 336 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: we could find him. Every parent's worst a nightmare. You 337 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: then get a fuzzy photo like a polaroid, sent via text, 338 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: and you see your daughter with her hair done in 339 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: a different way. She's never done it before with a 340 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: ransom note, and then the clot is ticking down. Bobby 341 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: Chico and former special agent FBI screenwriter Criminal Minds. Bobby, 342 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: what does this tell you about her abductor? Well, this 343 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: was clearly planned that this was not a runner of 344 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: the mill robbery. This was a premeditated scheme that they 345 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: had in place. And my biggest question would be why 346 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: wait two weeks? So that would be as an investigator, 347 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: why did we wait two weeks to get this ransom demand? 348 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: That's not usual in a scheme like this, But clearly 349 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: there is more going on than the original video of 350 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: the abduction at the coffee kiosk. So now we have 351 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: a ransom man, we have a kidnapping, and now it 352 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: could change the whole tenor of this thing. She's apparently 353 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: still alive somewhere and now it ramps up to the 354 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: emergency to find her where she being held? Can we 355 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: glean anything from that photograph on where this location might 356 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: be that she's held, So it really does change the 357 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: whole terror and feeling of the investigation. Chery mccollumn, what 358 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: would you be looking for in the photo? To help 359 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: identify where Samantha's being held. I would look for anything 360 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: in the backgrounds there any photographs on the wall, is there? 361 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: But toular light? Is there? A sign is there showing 362 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: anything on the outside. The other thing that resonates for 363 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: me is you're talking about two weeks. Any sent of 364 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: text message first Nancy, which means her phone is being charged. 365 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: It means that he knows the principal players in her phone. 366 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: Just text went to a boyfriend, not her dad. So 367 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: all of this combined, and then with the odd amount 368 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: of thirty thousand dollars not fifteen o one hundred thirty 369 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: is an unusual number. So all of these things to 370 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: me are concerning because again, if you're waiting two weeks, 371 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: it ain't about the money. Well put, But then, just 372 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: as the FBI agent predicted, there was a slip up. 373 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: Take a list of to our friends at Oxygen. They 374 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: had worked out a deal with the bank so that 375 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: Anchorage Police Department and the FBI would be notified immediately 376 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: when her debit card was used for anything. So a 377 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: few days go by, and at this point we have 378 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: our first ATM withdrawal from Samantha's account. There were three 379 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: withdrawals in the city of Anchorage of five hundred dollars 380 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: the daily limit in all of the ATM situations where 381 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: he was using the debit card. As soon as the 382 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 1: alerts came, we dispetial law enforcement there as quickly as 383 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: we could, but we were literally minutes behind him. Then 384 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: the account went silent, and on March seventh, detectives were 385 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: kind of shocked because there was a withdrawal from an 386 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: ATM in Wilcox, Arizona. Then there was another withdrawal in Lordsburg, 387 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: New Mexico. The next withdrawal was March tenth in Humble, Texas, 388 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: and then shortly after there was a withdrawal in Shepherd, Texas. 389 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: Each time this money was withdrawn, it was withdrawn by 390 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: a person wearing a mask. So this guy is so smart. 391 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: He's using your ATM card all of the country, always 392 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 1: wearing a mask. To Bobby's jacone. When you look carefully 393 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: at that picture of Samantha being held in captivity, could 394 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: you tell anything unusual about her eyes? Well? I couldn't. 395 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: But we send those pictures normally to a forensic photography 396 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: lab back at Quantico and at the FBI laboratory, and 397 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: they do you know they were able to blow it 398 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: up and maybe glean some additional information from the photograph 399 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: using you know, certain technologies that it's just today, and 400 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: we certainly did get some indication that, you know, that 401 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: her eyes there was something about her eyes that bothered 402 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: the investigators who were looking closely at the photograph, Bobby, 403 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: Her eyes were soon open, were they not? Yeah, that's 404 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: that was the conclusion of the people that were able 405 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: to really enlaunche that picture and look at really minute 406 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: details of that photograph, and it appeared that her eye 407 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: were artificially held open by some kind of threading, that 408 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: there was an attempt to cover it up with makeup. 409 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns joining me, Deputy Medical Examined, Travis County, Texas. 410 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: That's Austin, doctor Crowns. How would you go about sewing 411 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: someone's eyes open, so you could use thin layered supra 412 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: material and then just look the needle through the eyelid 413 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: and then tuck it up and pull it through the 414 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: loose eyelid skin and then just make very smooth. No, 415 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: it's almost like doing a an eyelid tuck or plastic surgery. 416 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: Why are you saying that you don't think a plastic 417 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: So what a plastic surgeon from Beverly Hills just tripped 418 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: on over to Alaska, kidnapped this girl from a coffee shop, 419 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: sent a ransom note. But she's already dead, obviously because 420 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: her eyes are sown open. I mean, this is not 421 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon. How would a regular person perform a 422 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: procedure like this, obviously on a dead body. It would 423 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: be using a sewing needle and thin, thin showing um bread. 424 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that's all. It's just like doing surgery. I'm 425 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: sorry you haven't sewn. Many people's eye would open. What 426 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: did you just say? You have or you have not? Said? 427 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: Have not? Have not? Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 428 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: this girl disappears in the middle of a parking lot 429 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: from a coffee stand. Then this picture emerges of her 430 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: with her hair and braids and her eyes sown shut. 431 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: The family doesn't know she's dead. They think it's a 432 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: ransom to bring her home alive. Then a screw up 433 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: the perp users r ATM police rush to look at 434 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: the ATM footage and he's wearing a mask. You can't 435 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: see his face. To Nicole pardon crimal line dot Com 436 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. They outsmarted the ATM. So how did the 437 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: perp get caught? Well, at this point, authorities know the 438 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: type of vehicle they're looking for, they know the last 439 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: transaction of the ATM card, and in a wonderful turn 440 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: of event, he was actually pulled over in Texas for 441 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: a traffic violation. Once the card. I'm so happy, absolutely 442 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: what traffic violation is that? Well, it wasn't clear. It 443 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: seems that he was going over the speed limit for 444 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: a bit. But then when they pulled him over, inside 445 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: the vehicle they found the ATM card, the mask, and 446 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: enough evidence to bring him in. So at the time 447 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: they pulled him over for the traffic violation, they don't 448 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: know they have a killer. Correct, that's correct. Okay, guys, 449 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: let me go to Bobby check. Bobby, I want you 450 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: to take a listen to our friends at Investigation Discovery. 451 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: Keys explained to us that Ms Konig had already been 452 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 1: killed when he took that ransom photograph, that he had 453 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: used a needle and thread to make her eyes appear 454 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: as though she might still be alive, and Keys didn't 455 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: stop there. He dismembered the body and dropped all of 456 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: its parts underneath the ice of Lake MADAMUSCA. About an 457 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: hour north of Anchorage, then Alaska that you build a 458 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: shelter around yourself while your ice fish, and so that's 459 00:28:54,560 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: what he did. He built a shelter and then he 460 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: pretended to dice fish while he waded down the risk 461 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: on his body and dropped it to the bottom of 462 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: the lake. Joining me Bobby Chicone, special Asian FBI at 463 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: the time, Bobby Chicone, you were tasked with going out 464 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: onto that frozen lake and trying to recover Samantha's body. 465 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: Can I ask you how did you guys figure out 466 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: that he disposed of her underneath frozen ice. Well, when 467 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: I got the first call, it was based on information 468 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: that Keith had provided that he actually told the investigators 469 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: that she was under she was at the bottom of 470 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: that lake, and so we had an initial starting point. 471 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: He said he had gone out there and posed as 472 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: an ice fisherman, set up a set up a tent, 473 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: and as they normally do, they start like little campfires 474 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: or a little sti camping stoves and edique balm or 475 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: eat some drinks. And when he was finished with the 476 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: several trips that it took to get her body parts 477 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: out there and into the lake. Um he burned a 478 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: piece of plywood that he had used to drag her 479 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: out there. I don't know if he had blood on 480 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: it or off, but he and that when when the 481 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: initial Alaska State trooper went out there, when I got 482 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: that information, they dispatched somebody to run up to that 483 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: lake and they did find, in fact, a small piece 484 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: of plywood, half burn that had now been kind of 485 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: refrozen into the lake surface because it had been, you know, 486 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: several weeks since she was put there, So the lake 487 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: had frozen and unfrozen and refrozen, and so that plywood 488 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: was still sticking out a little bit. So we figured 489 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: that was the plywood and he was talking about. So 490 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: that's where we began our search. Why did you go 491 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: and tell me about the recovery of Samantha's body and 492 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: an eighteen year old girl? So we sat up. There 493 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: was a great sunny day on that lake. It was 494 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: blinding sawn off off the surface of the ice. We 495 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: cut several holes in the ice. The ice was about 496 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: four feet thick. It took a while to cut through 497 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: that that type of ice, and so we had a 498 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: lot of help. The press showed up shortly after. They 499 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: were trained with long long range cameras and microphones on us. 500 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: So we deployed a sonar, we deployed it. After that, 501 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: we deployed a remote operated vehicle which is like a 502 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: little mini underwater robot that has cameras on it. And 503 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,239 Speaker 1: then and I deployed my divers once we saw what 504 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: we were looking for on the cameras of the robot. 505 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: UM there were five separate body parts down there on 506 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: the bot lake bottom and under a frozen ice, a 507 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: lake is crystal clear. The water is crystal clear because 508 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: all the marine lights has kind of gone dormant and 509 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: in a suspended state on the bottom. Um so the 510 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: water was very very clear, and the camera from the 511 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: mini robot that we had under the water, I was 512 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: pretty clear. And you know, I deployed my divers and 513 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: they had cameras on their helmets, so I watched the 514 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: entire operation as they as they made their way to 515 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: Samantha and brought her back. I've thought many times about 516 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: what you went through as you were having your divers 517 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: bring up one bag after the next after the next, 518 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: and you would take the bag knowing it hells Samantha's 519 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: body parts, this little girl's eighteen years old dismembered body. 520 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: What was that like in your mind? Well, you know, 521 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: you don't deal with that at the time, and certainly 522 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: this wasn't, unfortunately, our first recovery, and we had recovered 523 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: children prior, and we had recovered unfortunately, even younger children 524 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: prior of his youngest four and five years old. In fact, 525 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: some of us as as young as eighteen months old. But 526 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: that were all victims. But so you you really put 527 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: that out of your mind. You focus on the job 528 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: at hand. But one thing I want to correct, um 529 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: Nancy that you know, Keys had made demand of the 530 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: investigators that we not release the particular detail that she 531 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: was dismembered, that she was cut up, and he had 532 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: reasons for that, and so when we did, you're you're 533 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: absolutely right. What we would normally do is put each 534 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: part that we found set into a separate bag and 535 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: bring them up. In this particular case, because we knew 536 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: the media was watching us and we didn't want that 537 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: detail to emerge, so we actually I had my divers 538 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: actually put all of Samanta into one bag and we 539 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: brought her up in one bag to make it look 540 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: like the body might still be intact, and then we 541 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: moved that bag quickly into another pop up shelter near 542 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: the hole in the ice where the medical examiners investigators 543 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: with air. That's when we transferred her to the medical examiner. 544 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: I want you to hear from our friend Neil Kolinski. 545 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: What at ABC what we learn Bobby Chicon and his 546 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: team learn about Israel Keys. Listen. He told agents something 547 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: they'd never heard before, that he left kill kits or 548 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: cashes buried in several states filled with everything he'd need 549 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: to commit a murder. They were in waterproof containers or 550 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: five gallon buckets and included guns and different things he 551 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: could use to dispose of bodies. His strategy to grab 552 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: people in remote location like parks, campgrounds, even cemeteries. Every 553 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: serial killer, including I believe mister Keys, are not crazy. 554 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: You cannot be that organized and deliberate and fit any 555 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: legal definition of insanity. We learned that Israel Keys got 556 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: a quote high from killing. To doctor Bethany Marshall, what 557 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: kind of mind criss crosses the country hiding kill kits 558 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: in various locations searching for prey, including in campgrounds and 559 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: RV Parks. What kind of mind is that, Bethany Well Nancy. 560 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: This kind of a mind is motivated by sex and cruelty. 561 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: Those are the two basic motivations in men. Aggression and 562 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: sexuality are mediated through the same neural nets. And what 563 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: that means is that for sociopath sadism, sex killing, all 564 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: of those same drives get fused. They're all acted out 565 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: at once. Serial killers are very empty individuals. They cannot 566 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: feel excitement in normal ways, like holding a baby or 567 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: looking at the sunshine. They can only feel excitement by 568 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: inflicting cruelty. And their sex drive is enormous, and they 569 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: spend hours thinking about who they're going to kill, and 570 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: all those hours driving around and preparing the kill kids. 571 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: It's like a four play before sex. It's like the 572 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: prodromal or the lead up to this very exciting event 573 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: in their life. And they spend so much time searching 574 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: that often they're not prolific and they're killing because the 575 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: searching and the ritual life aspect leading up to the 576 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: killing is more important than the act itself. Here is 577 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: the good news of this scenario. Israel Keys is dead. 578 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: We may never know how many people he killed across 579 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: the country because there's no logical connection. But we do 580 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: know he is dead. He died behind bars. Good luck 581 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: with him, Satan. Nancy Grace cried story signing off, good 582 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: bye friend,