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Speaker 1: Albert Breer around the corner. Jimmy Johnson is all fired up.

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Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame coach boy. He's mad at me.

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Speaker 1: He wants bella check. Is fishing buddy to be in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Jimmy Johnson in one hour, He's

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Speaker 1: all worked up.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: So can I tell you a story. My dad gave

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Speaker 1: me two great pieces of advice that I think of regularly. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just give me a couple of minutes on this. So

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Speaker 1: one of the pieces advice my dad gave me, we

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Speaker 1: had a house on the coast of Washington, and we

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Speaker 1: had a long driveway, and about halfway down the driveway

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Speaker 1: I had a basketball hoop. My dad put a basketball

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Speaker 1: hoop up and it was next to the place where

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Speaker 1: we kept our firewood. And one time my dad comes

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Speaker 1: down to get some wood to put up in the

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Speaker 1: you know, the wood stove, and I'm sitting there taking

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Speaker 1: hook shots and playing basketball by myself, which I often did,

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Speaker 1: and my dad called me tiger, he said. He grabbed

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Speaker 1: the firewood, and he turned around. He goes, Tiger, why

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Speaker 1: would you ever take a shot when you're by yourself

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Speaker 1: that you wouldn't take in a game. Practice the stuff

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Speaker 1: you're going to do in the game. That has lived

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Speaker 1: with me for fifty years, like, don't waste time. And

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Speaker 1: I tell my kids that practice what you're going to

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Speaker 1: do in life. Don't waste time taking hook shots in

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Speaker 1: your yard from forty feet. The second piece of advice

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Speaker 1: my dad gave me was many decisions in your life

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Speaker 1: about your career will be made when you're not in

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Speaker 1: the room, also known as lubricate society. Don't agitate it.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick was called and told he didn't make the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Bill wasn't in the room. Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: controlled the rooms. He was in the one room he

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Speaker 1: needed people to raise their hand in his favor. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't there, and the voters maybe were as petty as

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Speaker 1: Bill can be. That's part of it, right, a lot

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Speaker 1: of decisions are made about your employment, your legacy, your career,

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Speaker 1: your opportunities when you and I aren't in the rooms.

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Speaker 1: If you can be nice as often as you can be,

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Speaker 1: I know it shouldn't matter, but it does. Albert Breer

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Speaker 1: live from Mobile, Alabama at the Senior Ball. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: you know I said this before, is that they changed

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Speaker 1: some of the methodology in voting, So now coaches can

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Speaker 1: get right in after they retire with one year. Brady

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Speaker 1: still can't get in twenty twenty eight, the coaches can.

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Speaker 1: And I said, is it possible? And you covered Bill?

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Speaker 1: I said, is it possible that people said, well, Lombardi

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Speaker 1: didn't get in initially, Walsh didn't, Gibbs didn't, Don Shula,

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Speaker 1: who Belichick's been chasing, had to wait five years. You

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Speaker 1: change your methodology. Bill's going to get in next year.

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Speaker 1: But if all these other legends didn't and had to

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Speaker 1: wait five years, you can wait one.

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Speaker 2: Is that possible? It was just maybe? Yeah? I think

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Speaker 2: I think it could be a couple things.

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Speaker 3: Like, first of all, so everybody understands the process, there

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Speaker 3: are five guys, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, in this voting pool, and so.

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Speaker 3: Those five guys three Seniors candidates is Kenny Anderson, Roger Craigan,

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Speaker 3: Elsie Greenwood, a contributor to that's Robert Kraft, coach Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 3: So the voters, the fifty voters, have to pick three

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Speaker 2: If you think about it.

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Speaker 3: You're competing with four other people in this zero some game,

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Speaker 3: and so they do take votes away from each other.

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Speaker 3: I'm explaining that because I do think one piece of

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Speaker 3: Bill's going to be nominated until he gets in. So like,

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Speaker 3: But I personally think that's the absolute wrong way to

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Speaker 2: I think you have to look at these.

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Speaker 3: Things is yes or no questions Colin, you know, is

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Speaker 2: That question?

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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, like I can understand like

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Speaker 3: gamed like, oh well Bill have another chance. No, it's

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Speaker 3: the three most qualified guys. That's what a first ballot

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer is to me. It's not like some

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Speaker 3: sort of like separate category that you should be well,

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't be where it is the first ballot Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: I think in a sports should be the guy that

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we got a bunch of stuff here to

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of the topic of the day. But

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Steelers. So I said,

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Speaker 1: I was making a joke. I just watched the movie

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Speaker 1: You'd Appreciate This with Affleck and Damon on Netflix called

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Speaker 1: Rip and all that. You know, the critics are savaging it.

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Speaker 1: They're saying it doesn't elevate the genre, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I maker watch football all year, and I said this,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, Okay, it's not Sean McVay, but it's like

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Speaker 1: it and think Aaron was as much to blame for

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Speaker 1: I mean, was he always the front runner? I guess

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Speaker 3: No, you know, I think that they did look down.

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Speaker 3: Did they start to go down the path they've normally

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Speaker 3: that maybe not everybody's looking at the same way they are.

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Speaker 3: You know, Chuck Mill I believe, was thirty seven, Bill

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Speaker 2: So this is a departure.

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Speaker 3: On his first day in the office, Mike McCarthy becomes

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Speaker 3: the oldest coach in Pittsburgh Steelers history, the ninety three

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Speaker 2: So this is definitely different.

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Speaker 3: I think what's most interesting to think about it, at

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Speaker 3: least as I see it, And this is what I've

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Speaker 3: heard some people say who went through there, they don't

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Speaker 3: their roster right and they're kind of at this natural point.

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Speaker 3: You and I have talked about this with the older

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Speaker 3: this year. Marcuzalis gantling to me, it's like screaming for

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Speaker 3: it's sort of time to tear it down. And maybe

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Speaker 3: if you have to be bad for a year or two,

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Speaker 3: it's not the worst thing in the world. And the

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Speaker 3: more I talk to people about this, I don't think

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Speaker 3: think the Rooneys want to sink to the bottom of

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Speaker 3: of what you've got left with the veteran players, well

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Speaker 3: then yeah, it does make sense to bring in a

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Speaker 2: That remains to be seen. But I think a huge

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Speaker 3: This is we're not looking to go four and thirteen

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Speaker 2: We want to continue to contend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uninspiring, but I get the reasoning. So Joe Brady's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I could argue under Ken Dorsey and Brian Dabole, the

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Speaker 1: There's some success on the resume with Burrow and Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess my take was this was

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Speaker 1: if you're not going to get John Harbaugh or Jim

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Speaker 1: then Joe Brady is comfortable. I understand comfort when you

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Speaker 1: it felt like Josh said, you know what, I don't

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Speaker 2: I know him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it possible that Josh had more say

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Speaker 3: So it was the Pagoulas. It was Brandon being their GM,

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Speaker 2: So that's the group right, Like it's a very It

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Speaker 3: And I do think that Connuity was a huge piece

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Speaker 3: of this in two different ways. Number One, obviously, the

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Speaker 3: offense has been pretty good, right top five in the

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Speaker 3: not it looks smoother when Ken Dorsey or or Brian

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Speaker 3: Dave all we're calling the place, but it has been

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Speaker 3: familiarity that you were talking about. There's also that you're

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Speaker 3: not projecting the relationship between coaching and scouting, which is

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Speaker 3: part of the deal. When you decide to keep the

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Speaker 3: GM and not the coach, the GM is going to

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Speaker 2: Coaching and scouting are going to be aligned.

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Speaker 3: You know, if he's bringing in somebody he knows, which

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Speaker 3: obviously he had that with Sean McDermott, going all the

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Speaker 3: that with Joe Brady. I thought this was the interesting part,

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Speaker 3: though I was told the part of the interview that

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Speaker 3: he really nailed was the CEO as head coach piece

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Speaker 3: of the interview, And it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I'll take you back five.

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Speaker 3: Years when Joe Brady was still in Carolina before he

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Speaker 3: hot name because of what happened at LSU, but he,

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Speaker 3: I mean, hit a walk off home run in that

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Speaker 1: Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. By the way

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Speaker 1: Big Ten schedules came out, there was a big kerfuff.

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Speaker 8: Now heard you cracked me up today? He's on one, folks.

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Speaker 6: You know, Baker Mayfield's got a little Michael Jordan and him.

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Speaker 8: Like settled in he was in Cleveland, Colin, do people

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Speaker 8: without Stefanski. Oh, I want to just see if there's

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Speaker 8: any big difference.

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Speaker 2: You tell me.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, Colin, do you see anything big there?

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Speaker 1: Well, he had a much better winning percentage with Stefanski

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Speaker 1: than without.

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Speaker 8: Imagine that in the factory of sadness Cleveland I'll just

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Speaker 8: remind people, including Baker, what happened. Basically, he got run out.

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Speaker 8: But they were doing it for Deshaun Watson. And that's

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Speaker 8: not Kevin Stefanski pulling the strings. Why can't I like both?

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Speaker 8: I like Stefanski and I like Baker. I like both,

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Speaker 8: and I root for both. I do like a Baker

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Speaker 8: may Field doing here, though. Come that's the real question.

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Speaker 8: Out of the blue, he's just all of a sudden

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Speaker 8: taking shots to Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: Listen, that's Baker's personality, right, There's a reason I offered

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Speaker 1: him a podcast at my little podcast company. There's a

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Speaker 1: reason I offered him a podcast. He's fascinating personality. He

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Speaker 1: has just got a he's got a chip on both shoulders.

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Speaker 1: He is just fire.

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Speaker 8: Only take you so far, though, Come on, Johnny Manziel.

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Speaker 1: All these guys are fascinating, much much better player than Johnny.

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Speaker 6: Better player. Yeah, but personality, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think Johnny had issues with that that are now

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Speaker 1: acknowledged in his personal life, that are much deeper and

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Speaker 1: more troubling. Baker's got I don't even think it's ego.

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Speaker 1: I think Baker is one of those guys who's been

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Speaker 1: doubted his entire life, and he uses it as fuel.

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Speaker 1: And I totally respect that he starts a few too

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Speaker 1: many fires for my taste, but that's just me. I

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Speaker 1: don't want my quarterback being bulletin board guy. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, it works for him. He's had a heck

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Speaker 1: of a career. And I'm I don't root against Baker

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Speaker 1: when he wins. It's good for the league.

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Speaker 8: I mean, Bill Pollim might vote him in the Hall

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Speaker 8: of Fame over at Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: All right, let's move on to the Denver Broncos con

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Speaker 8: weird ish situation. So they lose the ASC championship, and

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Speaker 8: yesterday the Broncos fired their offensive coordinator, Yeah, Joe Lombardi

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Speaker 8: and two other assistants.

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Speaker 6: Wait, it gets better.

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Speaker 8: So all the criticism is for that fourth down call.

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Speaker 8: It's like, bro Lombardi's not calling the police. That was

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Speaker 8: also on Peyton. As we heard from our guests Wickersham earlier.

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Speaker 1: There's a young guy on the staff, yeah, Dave, as

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Speaker 1: everybody thinks, is the next hot shot, and maybe Lombardi

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Speaker 1: was sort of blocking his ascension within the staff. I

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Speaker 1: think Lombarti's got a I always thought he had a

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Speaker 1: decent reputation, good reputation, I think sometimes Peyton and it's hard.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to be Aaron Glenn and get rid

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Speaker 1: of everybody. But I don't think it's the worst thing

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Speaker 1: in the world every year to tweak somebody on your staff.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's terrible. I think there's there's history

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Speaker 1: that proves. Remember when the Bucks won the title and

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Speaker 1: they brought everybody back the following year, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: I think it's there is an argument to be made

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Speaker 1: you should change your roster by ten to twelve percent,

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Speaker 1: and you should probably move off a couple of coaches

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Speaker 1: just for freshness, new eyes, new narrative, new point of view. Lombardi,

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Speaker 1: you'll get a job. That's not that I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think this is a I don't think this speaks

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Speaker 1: to some level of in confidence by Lombardi. I think

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Speaker 1: he just Shan's moving off and he's got a young

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Speaker 1: guy in the staff that he wants to elevate.

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Speaker 8: Davis Webb has been interviewing around the league for O see,

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Speaker 8: and I think he got some head coaching, which is

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Speaker 8: a little He's a young guy. This guy was a backup,

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Speaker 8: like five years ago, and now all of a sudden he's.

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Speaker 6: Interviewing for jobs.

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Speaker 8: So the best way to keep him on staff is

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Speaker 8: to kind of bounce somebody. Which that's listen, that's a

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Speaker 8: cold world out there, Colin. That is rough. That's a

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Speaker 8: tough way to treat a veteran. Lombardi's like fifty four

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Speaker 8: years old, He's been around the league. I would just say,

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Speaker 8: you know, bo Nicks, you thought he had a good season.

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Speaker 8: Lombardi clearly as the OC did something in that room.

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Speaker 6: That's a tough one, Sean Payton.

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Speaker 8: Let's go to the final story, Colin, and that is

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Speaker 8: Joe Brady going from offensive coordinator to head coach in Buffalo.

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Speaker 6: And I kind of love what our staff did here.

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Speaker 8: So you've been beating this drum to death and you've

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Speaker 8: been right about it. Promoting from within is very dangerous, right.

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Speaker 8: Historically it doesn't work, Colin. I want to see to

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Speaker 8: take a look at guys who have been promoted from

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Speaker 8: a coordinator to head coach in the just since twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 6: You find me the winners on here.

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Speaker 1: So these are so much my god, nice job of

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Speaker 1: the staff, these are I want to I want to

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Speaker 1: do this for our radio audience because this is a big,

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Speaker 1: big gressence. So these are the assistants promoted the head

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Speaker 1: coach within the organization the.

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Speaker 6: Comfortable higher last nine years.

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Speaker 1: Brian Schottennheimer, Todd Bowles, Gerrodmeo, Antonio Pierce, Dennis Allen, Lovey Smith,

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Speaker 1: Doug Morone, Freddie Kitchens, Dirk Cutter, and Ben mcadoe.

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Speaker 8: There's one guy with a winning record on there, and

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Speaker 8: that is Todd Bowles.

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Speaker 6: That's it. I mean, Colin, this is the ultimate poof

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Speaker 6: poo platter.

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Speaker 2: Well, this I rady.

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Speaker 1: So this has been my knock forever at the college level,

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Speaker 1: is that, what do you think the chances are in

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Speaker 1: the NFL when there's only thirty two head jobs that

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Speaker 1: the single best candidate in your domestic search is in

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Speaker 1: the building. What are the chances of that? So everybody

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Speaker 1: does this because it's comfortable. Yeah, but this graphic shows

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Speaker 1: what are the chances like when Ben Johnson leaves, let's

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Speaker 1: go get that guy that used to be here. Is

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Speaker 1: that the best candidate? And I've always said this, the

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Speaker 1: greater the coach who leaves, the wider the search has

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Speaker 1: to be to replace it. If Jim Harbaugh leaves, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: You don't give it to a guy in the staff.

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Speaker 1: You go and get forgot about you know, you go

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Speaker 1: get the hottest coach on the market. You call Lane

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Speaker 1: kiff it at Old Miss and say, okay, you want

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Speaker 1: to interview. I mean, you go get the guy who

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Speaker 1: can recruit. It's Michigan, it's blue blood. It almost never

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Speaker 1: went in my childhood growing up. All my favorite regional

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Speaker 1: college teams, and I could give you the names and

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Speaker 1: not bore you. Oregon State, Jimmy Anderson Basketball, jim Lambright,

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Speaker 1: all these programs that I loved, they all gave it

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Speaker 1: to the popular assistant at one point. Nice men. None

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Speaker 1: of them were as good as the legend that moved on.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think the answer is usually down the hallway.

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Speaker 1: I just don't j Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that.

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Speaker 1: You know. The other thing with Joe Brady, Josh Allen's

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Speaker 1: cap hit this year was thirty six million. Next year

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Speaker 1: it's fifty six million. So they're the fourth oldest team

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Speaker 1: in the league. Now that means as teams get older,

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Speaker 1: there's more injuries. They're already over the cap now, you know,

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Speaker 1: who's not over the cap. Their rival in the division,

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Speaker 1: New England's thirty one million under the cap. So I

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Speaker 1: mean it's only going to get harder for Buffalo. They're

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Speaker 1: old with no camp room, and Josh costs more. Drake

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Speaker 1: May is still discount counter. They've got thirty one million

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Speaker 1: more cap space. I mean, the bills right now are

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Speaker 1: fourteen million over the cap today, so whoever gets the

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Speaker 1: bills job, it's a harder lift next year than this year.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, Drake May should be even better next

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Speaker 1: year with this whole playoff run. It's the hurt.

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Speaker 1: So Albert Breer said, this, are we really underappreciating what

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Speaker 1: twenty eight year old Sam Donald has done. I think

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Speaker 1: the most remarkable part of Sam Darnold making a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and having back to back unbelievable years. In fact,

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Speaker 1: if you go back to November twenty seventh, of like

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, when he was benched by Carolina then

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Speaker 1: given the starting job again, if you go from that

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Speaker 1: moment till today, is the highest winning percentage in the league,

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Speaker 1: higher than Mahomes, and the highest one hundred plus passer

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Speaker 1: rating percentage in the league. I think second is like

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Speaker 1: goff so, but it's a remarkable He was fourteen and

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Speaker 1: three in Minnesota and he did not have a big market.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have a big market, and it reminds me

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Speaker 1: of Tom Brady who came out in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 1: only two teams wanted Tom Brady, the Chargers and the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: And not only did Tom win a Super Bowl first year,

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Speaker 1: but Tom four years later was still a top six

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. So I mean, I mean Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 1: There was more demand for Kirk Cousins leaving Minnesota than

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady when he hit the market. And Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 1: I like Kirk, but give me a break. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where quarterback evaluation is hard,

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Speaker 1: but it's not that hard. I mean, why did I

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Speaker 1: go on the air and say TBO, Johnny Manzel and

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, that is not going to work. Those are busts.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't be able to say that, and gms are

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Speaker 1: picking them in the first round. You know it's hard,

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Speaker 1: But I've always said it's about traits. I don't care

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Speaker 1: what your winning record was. And if you look at Arnold,

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Speaker 1: big six' three, thick, athletic big, arm unbelievably, coachable, tough tough,

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Speaker 1: guy everybody loves. It i'm, like that's just you're gonna

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Speaker 1: win games with. That you just got to get a competent.

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Speaker 1: Coach so we do this thing called blind resume just

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Speaker 1: how Good darnald has, been because it, REALLY i think

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Speaker 1: to this point is underreported what he's. Done so let's

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Speaker 1: do a blind resume With Sam darnold just just give

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Speaker 1: you a sense how good he's. Been so the first,

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Speaker 1: one this is from twenty twenty, two The Carolina. Days

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Speaker 1: he's thirty two and nine for our radio. Audience the

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Speaker 1: other quarterback is just slightly lower in virtually every. Statistic

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Speaker 1: So sam is five to eight percent better in every.

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Speaker 1: Statistic and who is that quarterback since twenty twenty, two Josh.

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Speaker 1: Allen you know.

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Speaker 2: THE mvp.

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Speaker 1: Wins completion percentage yards for a tempt passer rating higher Than. Joshua,

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Speaker 1: okay let's do it. Again Here's Sam. Darnold since twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: two this, Quarterback sam is, yeah, again much higher winning,

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Speaker 1: percentage all the other, numbers slight edge To. Sam since

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, two that quarterback would be you guessed, It Man.

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Speaker 1: Stafford who's gonna WIN? Mvp basically this year was on

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Speaker 1: fire against everybody not Named. Carolina, okay let's go to another, One.

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Speaker 1: Sam since twenty twenty, two The carolina days across the,

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Speaker 1: Board sam even or slight edge except passer. Rating this

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Speaker 1: quarterback has a higher passer. Rating but this quarterback also

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Speaker 1: has ten more. Losses who is this? Quarterback Lamar, jackson

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Speaker 1: who's going to get a new, contract probably making him

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Speaker 1: the highest paid quarterback in THE. Nfl, okay let's do

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Speaker 1: one or two. More, Okay since twenty twenty, two Here's Sam.

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Speaker 1: Darnald That's. Carolina you're In San, Francisco, Minnesota. Seattle yeah this,

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Speaker 1: Again sam hasn't won as many, games but IS i

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Speaker 1: mean these quarterbacks might as well be the exact same.

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Speaker 1: Guy whoever this quarterback? Is this Is Sam. Darnald let's see.

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Speaker 1: That maybe you've heard of. Him Patrick mahomes hangs out

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Speaker 1: With Taylor. Swift maybe you've heard of. HIM i don't.

648
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Speaker 1: Know and let's do we have one? MORE i, MEAN

649
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: i Think i've made my point on. This we have one?

650
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: More all? Right this Quarterback sam across the, board just more,

651
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: wins better passer. Rating who's this quarterback since twenty twenty?

652
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Two Jalen? Hurts, well we know one thing they'll have in.

653
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: Common a few weeks from, now both we'll have a.

654
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: Trophy why you gotta do this to? Me, dude you

655
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: don't want. YOU i don't think you want The Jalen

656
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: hurt smoke Against Sam?

657
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 6: Donald do you?

658
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 8: Interestingly could we add another category on there live on television?

659
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 8: Turnovers Because Sam donald led THE nfl and turnovers this. Year,

660
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 8: yes more Than Gino smith and more Than. Tua come, On,

661
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 8: COLIN i just can't get over. This AND i know

662
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 8: you Love Sam.

663
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 6: DONALD i like.

664
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 8: Him you know when we were at That Arizona Super,

665
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 8: Bowl i'm outside on one of these parties AND i

666
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 8: see this guy on his phone, like holy, cow That's

667
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 8: Sam donald went right up and talked to. HIM i was, like,

668
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 8: Oh i'm A jets, Fan, bubba nicest, Guy i'm a.

669
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 6: FAN i love THE usc.

670
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 8: Story The Minnesota vikings had him in the building the entire.

671
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 8: Season they have a smart front. Office it's very.

672
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 6: Shrewd they have a super sharp coach who everybody. Likes

673
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 6: you call Him taul. McVeigh he Had.

674
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 8: Sam donald for the entire season and, said you had

675
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 8: a great, run thirty five, touchdowns but.

676
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 6: We're gonna move.

677
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 8: On there is no planet where anybody would do that

678
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 8: To Jalen, hurts who won A Super.

679
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 6: BOWL.

680
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: Mvp let me throw this. OUT i always try to

681
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: be consistent on this. SHOW i have defended quarterbacks who

682
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: throw interceptions because most of your great coaches bake it.

683
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: IN i want you throwing thirty eight. TIMES i want

684
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: your thrown it. Downfield If donald wins The Super, bowl

685
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: he will be the second quarterback to win one and

686
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: lead the league in picks or. Turnovers the other Is

687
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: Matt stafford as a. Ram Matt stafford throws the ball

688
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: aggressively down the. Field Sam darnold. Does when you watch

689
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys in the league doing the underneath,

690
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: Stuff Kirk, cousins they don't want to get. Whacked there's

691
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's. Underneath sam is letting it.

692
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: Rip stafford is letting it. RIP i have defended Forever

693
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: andrew luck by the Way eli manning Two Super. BOWLS

694
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: i want my quarterback to be. AGGRESSIVE i want my

695
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: general manager to be. AGGRESSIVE i want my coach to be.

696
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: AGGRESSIVE i don't think in a league with the margins

697
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: are this, thin you win being. Safe that's WHY i,

698
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: said with Both Sean payton and McVeigh Going ford and,

699
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: FOURTH i just hated the play call By Sean. PAYTON

700
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: i didn't hate going for. It i'm just not going

701
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: to put the ball In Jarrett stidham's.

702
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 8: Hands But, City, hey so let me ask, You Colin,

703
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 8: So Sam donald is not one of the highest made

704
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 8: quarterbacks in.

705
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 6: League are even?

706
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: Close.

707
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 8: NO i am On seattle to win The Super. Bowl

708
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 8: i'm rooting for. Them i'm financially. Invested what do you

709
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 8: do If Sam donald wins The Super? Bowl does he

710
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 8: then have the ability to go To seattle and be, like,

711
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 8: HEY i want A Super. BOWL i Want Jalen hurts,

712
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 8: MONEY i want top five. Quarterback but can he do

713
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 8: that because all of a, sudden you, know his stats

714
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 8: show he's right up there with my homes and the, Maar,

715
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 8: like is that what's coming next For Sam.

716
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,479
Speaker 1: Darnald don't think that's his. PERSONALITY i don't he's.

717
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 8: Leaving twenty mil on the table when those guys are

718
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 8: pocketing fifty five and he's at thirty five or whatever

719
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 8: the numbers.

720
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: ARE i don't. KNOW i think he HAS i thought

721
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: he had a two or three year. DEAL i don't

722
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: think we can look into the.

723
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 8: Contract i'm just, Curious, like you win The Super, bowl

724
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 8: you're THE, mvp you kind of get what you asked, for, Right,

725
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 8: HEY i need a new. Deal that's how this, Worked

726
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 8: that's how the business.

727
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: Works, WELL i don't think. IT i don't think that's his,

728
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: personality AND i don't think he'll get. It AND i

729
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: don't THINK i mean he. May seattle has drafted so.

730
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: Well they PROBABLY i don't know what their cap situation is,

731
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: yet but they.

732
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 8: Got like three cornerbacks who are going to be free

733
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 8: agents and could be on the, move so that that

734
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 8: wouldn't be.

735
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 6: Ideal this is.

736
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: Interesting the staff just sent me. This he's under Contract

737
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: donald for two more. Years, okay from twenty twenty two

738
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty. Three mahomes had the second most picks

739
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: across those, seasons and The chiefs won back to Back Super.

740
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: BOWLS i think old school thinking can't throw. Picks stafford

741
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 1: won A Super, Bowl mahomes won back to Back Super.

742
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: Bowls donald is favored to win The Super bowl with

743
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: all those. Picks the edit thing is teams don't huddle

744
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: as much as they used. To the pace like THE,

745
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: nba the pace is. Faster does that mean if you

746
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: used to throw an interception and there were only forty nine,

747
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: snaps what if you have sixty eight and thrown. Interception

748
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: you can make. It you can throw an interception and

749
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: you can recover from it because now you're getting another

750
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: eighteen snaps or whatever it is per. Game so it's,

751
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: again it's over the course of a concert a three

752
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: you know an hour concert is a, musician if you.

753
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: Hit the wrong note once be one.

754
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: Thing if you were doing a, song if you're doing,

755
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: sixteen you can hit the wrong note. Once and my

756
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: take is the game is, faster there's more. Snaps quarterbacks

757
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: now often throw more times than there were snaps twenty years.

758
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: Ago SO i can live with.

759
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 8: Interceptions, Okay so it's not just, interceptions so it as.

760
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 8: FUMBLES i had to punch it in here real. Quick

761
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 8: so total fumbles this year among, quarterbacks Cam, ward Sam,

762
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 8: Donald Baker mayfield all had. Eleven cam lost seven of.

763
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 8: Them so ball security an. Issue Sam donald lost, six

764
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 8: second most among, quarterbacks and ball security was a bugaboo

765
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 8: of his with The. Jets he gets a little loosey

766
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 8: goosey in the. Pocket so it's.

767
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 6: Not just the.

768
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 8: Interceptions, again he's a really good. QUARTERBACK i don't think

769
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 8: this great game he had against The rams one game

770
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 8: vaults him into like top ten quarterback status in the.

771
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: League, NO i was thinking about this when you AND.

772
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: I i'm not going to do a, list but if

773
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: you think about top ten quarterbacks in the, league you

774
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: have to consider. Everything, yeah and right, now what DO

775
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: i do With Darnold and what DO i do With

776
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: drake May what DO i do With Drake? May he

777
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: literally led THE nfl that he not in completion. Percentage,

778
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: yeah he has won sixteen of his last seventeen games

779
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: with a bad offensive line in a run game that

780
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: took a while to get. GOING i mean it's, well

781
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: what DO i do With drake May so think he's

782
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: the top ten?

783
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 8: Quarterback let me pause it this Question colin based on,

784
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 8: That so you have one game to, win forget, salary

785
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 8: one game to, win you PLoP.

786
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 6: Him on your? Team you got a year? Ago are

787
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 6: you Taking.

788
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 8: Dak prescott Or Drake May Drake May, wow that was,

789
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 8: Fast but what about you're at golf Or Drake.

790
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: May Drake ma can, Move drake May?

791
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: So you have clearly they Have drake may as the top. Ten,

792
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: Well Drake may IS i have to consider. Everything he

793
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: is young and super. MOBILE i mean the in the

794
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: dinner game he, had he had the. Scramble he is

795
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: very like like The herbert And Drake. Mays they can

796
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: get out of the pocket and give me extra. Place Caleb,

797
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: williams you call a play With Caleb, williams it goes.

798
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: South so WHAT i get a second? Play same With,

799
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: allen same With drake May you don't get that with,

800
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: golf you don't get that With Matt. Staffert the play

801
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: you call is the play you, get and that's. It

802
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: so WHEN i have a young guy that can, MOVE

803
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: i mean you saw what What josh McDaniel was doing

804
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: in two of the biggest plays of the. Game he

805
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: Wanted Drake may to. Run you can't do. That if

806
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: you're The, rams you don't get that.

807
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 8: Play it reminds me Of Dak prescott. Early he was

808
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 8: running a lot colin his like first five. Years then

809
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 8: he had that gnarly leg. Injury he's not running as.

810
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 8: Much he's he's more of a pocket guy than he

811
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 8: used to. Be he used to scramble with his, Legs

812
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 8: so that's that's a fair point on. Me darnold also

813
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 8: very mobile with the. Legs he can scoot as they, Say, yeah.

814
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: Okay Jimmy, johnson The hall Of famer who for the,

815
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: record had to wait a long time to get into

816
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: The hall Of. Fame, uh you, know used to be,

817
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: coaches you had to be out of the. League what

818
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: five six? Years players still have to be out of

819
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: the league for a long. Time Tom brady's not eligible for.

820
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: Years Drew brees is just. ELIGIBLE i believe this. Year,

821
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: now coaches all they have to do is wait one.

822
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: YEAR i don't want if players have to, wait what

823
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: do coaches get In players are more valuable than. Coaches

824
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: we watch for players more than we watch for. COACHES

825
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: i don't love that kind of alteration of. Methodology Seth

826
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: wickersham talked about, that so Did albert Bre Jimmy johnson,

827
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: next