Speaker 1: It's two thirty five AM, and you're huddled around bob
Speaker 1: blob blobs desktop computer, and you're listening to Night Call. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to Night Call, a call in show
Speaker 1: for our dystopian reality. I am Tess Lynch in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and with me are Molly Lambert and Emily Yoshida.
Speaker 1: How you guys doing good, doing amazing. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say I'm doing great. I'm like, I'm very tired of
Speaker 1: the dance of like, oh, you know, I just want
Speaker 1: to be like I'm doing awesome. I'm gonna say like
Speaker 1: I'm elevating. Yes. Um. We got a great night email
Speaker 1: this week from a friend of the show, Brooke, a
Speaker 1: gossip girl. We wanted to kick things off with it because, uh,
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys might have a lot of
Speaker 1: thoughts about this one. So this is what Brooke, she says.
Speaker 1: Going off of the discussion of what counts as the decade,
Speaker 1: I considered the ohs to be the decade of the
Speaker 1: birth of the Internet. As such, I think the oh
Speaker 1: sex tape craze starts with Pam Anderson in eight, followed
Speaker 1: shortly by the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which was essentially lit erotica.
Speaker 1: That's how I learned that blow jobs were a normal
Speaker 1: part of adult sex lives. Onto Paris Hilton and Oh
Speaker 1: Three Girls Gone Wild, the Kim Kardashian tape in earlier seven,
Speaker 1: and pattering out with the Lauren Conrad sex tape rumors
Speaker 1: that never produced an actual tape, but did give us
Speaker 1: a good season of the hills. It seems to me
Speaker 1: that sex tapes are a great manage point through which
Speaker 1: to examine the stages of the Internet. At first, it
Speaker 1: was kind of the wild West before social media. There
Speaker 1: was no way for celebrities to spend their own narratives,
Speaker 1: and they were subjected to outlets like TMZ and Perez
Speaker 1: with no recourse. The next wave, the post Keeping Up
Speaker 1: with the Kardashians era, celebrities had multiple ways to correct
Speaker 1: the narrative. Now, people like Caroline Callaway proudly announced their
Speaker 1: only fans on their Twitter dairy and people to say
Speaker 1: something about it. A Perez couldn't find an audience now
Speaker 1: when you can just go directly to the source. When
Speaker 1: I think about that decade, my decade of high school
Speaker 1: and college, it's inextricably linked to the sex tapes. And
Speaker 1: reality shows birth from them. Do we get the Playboy
Speaker 1: reality show The Girl's Nex Door in two thousand and
Speaker 1: five without Pam and paris Is sex tapes? If Pam's
Speaker 1: tape had come out a few years later, which she
Speaker 1: and Tommy have had a reality show. Would love to
Speaker 1: know your thoughts. XO XO Gossip Girl. What do you think, guys?
Speaker 1: This is interesting? I mean, I definitely think that she
Speaker 1: that Pam and Tommy would have been offered a reality show.
Speaker 1: The question Pam and Tommy I think of as a
Speaker 1: different scenario. Um. I actually did an episode about some
Speaker 1: of the sex tapes Withnami Fry over at my Side
Speaker 1: Pot Molly Sleusy Friends, where I learned a lot of
Speaker 1: the details about the Pam and Tommy tape, which is
Speaker 1: that it was stolen. It was not you know, released
Speaker 1: by them. It was literally like stolen from a vault
Speaker 1: in their house and released against their will. So that
Speaker 1: to me makes it a very different thing than the
Speaker 1: Paris and Kim tapes, which were at least the Paris
Speaker 1: one that was not released, that was released against her will.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if that's true. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like she see this is. My theory is
Speaker 1: that Paris the tape was actually released against her will.
Speaker 1: Like I believe her on that, and she just did
Speaker 1: a good job of making lemonade out of lemons and
Speaker 1: made a blueprint for it. That then Kim Kardashian, her
Speaker 1: friend of me, could actually mimic um and you know,
Speaker 1: possibly intentionally leak it hoping to follow in the same
Speaker 1: like perfect the model. Basically, I'm gonna say I'm not
Speaker 1: sure a on either Paris. I mean, I am a
Speaker 1: percent sure on Kimp, but I don't think she's ever
Speaker 1: publicly admitted that her mom was the one who was like,
Speaker 1: you should make a sex tape and sell it even
Speaker 1: though that or does she ever need to public The
Speaker 1: thing about the Paris and Kim sex tapes is that
Speaker 1: they're terrible. You know, they're like the sex doesn't look
Speaker 1: fun and they're sort of just like depressing, especially the
Speaker 1: Paris Helton one because it's shot all in night vision.
Speaker 1: Everybody looks like an alien. Um. The Pam and Tommy one,
Speaker 1: even though it was you know, stolen and leaked against
Speaker 1: their will, it's like it's different because it's so romantic.
Speaker 1: You know, they're so in love with each other. And
Speaker 1: that's what makes it feel really intimate, not just that
Speaker 1: you're like, we shouldn't be seeing this because like it's
Speaker 1: their private thing, but that they're on their honeymoon and
Speaker 1: they're super in love with each other, and it feels
Speaker 1: like getting to see like JFK and Maryland together. You know,
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, yeah, like these people have a
Speaker 1: private life, and it is interesting because like, obviously things
Speaker 1: have changed so much out that nobody would ever like
Speaker 1: make a sex tape. People would just be filming on
Speaker 1: their yachts and streaming it publicly, is what I mean.
Speaker 1: You might not see the sex, but you would see
Speaker 1: all the other stuff. Well, I think also, I mean
Speaker 1: that she she so she brings up Caroline Callaway, who's
Speaker 1: been over the past month or so doing a lot
Speaker 1: of kind of you know, releasing her own nudes and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I actually haven't totally caught up with
Speaker 1: my Callaway, but I the last I saw was that
Speaker 1: she had posted on Twitter like a picture of her
Speaker 1: nipple or something. She's the point in quarantine where she
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna post nudes, which is like
Speaker 1: a point everybody reaches in quarantine eventually, is it, Like
Speaker 1: what does it matter? You know, just only connect? How
Speaker 1: are you going to connect to people if you're by
Speaker 1: yourself and only have the Internet as a pipeline, Like
Speaker 1: that's a way to feel vulnerable and alive, don't you wonder?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it is. It's an income source
Speaker 1: and only fans, which I just learned about from you guys,
Speaker 1: like no time ago. Because so she you know, people
Speaker 1: are mad at her only fans because they're like, your
Speaker 1: co opting sex work for like something else that's just
Speaker 1: sort of like Instagram plus and like male sex workers
Speaker 1: do stuff like this to make a living, and like
Speaker 1: you're not doing it the right way. And then Caroline
Speaker 1: is very like, who's you know? I just want to
Speaker 1: be part of this, like we're all the same. But
Speaker 1: she has charging a lot for her How much is
Speaker 1: she charging fifty a month? I think? But then I
Speaker 1: was a lot. Who am I to like tell people
Speaker 1: not to use whatever they have to make money off
Speaker 1: the internet? Right now? That's true. Also, I think if
Speaker 1: Caroline Calloway thinks that people pay like fifty dollars a
Speaker 1: month for an occasional nip slip, like she'll learn, she'll
Speaker 1: it's better than that. It's better than that. Okay, she
Speaker 1: does more. She's doing cause play as I mean female
Speaker 1: characters of literate Sure, but like doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: doing that with its smart for it's like perfect. She's
Speaker 1: doing like Elizabeth Bennett gets naked. She was doing Miss
Speaker 1: Honey from Matilda the other day. Is this really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that's I mean honestly, like I'm not mad,
Speaker 1: like actually like only fans I feel like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not positive on this, but it appeared to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm also like not feel free to correct me,
Speaker 1: but it seemed to me the only Fans was kind
Speaker 1: of invented, like in the way that, um, what was
Speaker 1: that original platform for celebrities to put their stuff on
Speaker 1: their photos that like lasted for maybe two years of
Speaker 1: early Twitter? What was I don't know, do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? That was like all these celebrities
Speaker 1: had this place. It was like and it was just
Speaker 1: like Peter down because nobody really felt like keeping up
Speaker 1: this whole separate profile. But it's just like that like
Speaker 1: somebody decided like, oh, you can monetize like your premium
Speaker 1: content on so if you're like getting a lot of
Speaker 1: hits for free on social and then obviously it gets
Speaker 1: co opted by people in the adult sector and and
Speaker 1: like very logically like that that makes sense. But I
Speaker 1: don't feel like Only Fans was set up as an
Speaker 1: adult site. It just very obviously lent itself to that.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a co opting anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's known best as an adult site. I
Speaker 1: think that I don't know, the politics of the nude
Speaker 1: trade market are difficult, you know, I think, well, I
Speaker 1: think one thing that that's interesting is how, you know,
Speaker 1: Only Fans and kind of giving the content creator full
Speaker 1: creative control over who gets to see their nudes and
Speaker 1: who benefits from that, being the creator not someone who
Speaker 1: steals and leaks a tape or whatever? Is that? Now?
Speaker 1: Can we agree that that's like somewhat empowering and better.
Speaker 1: I mean, on the one hand, I think that it's
Speaker 1: great to eliminate the market for like, you know, oh, look,
Speaker 1: we have a sex tape that we stole from a
Speaker 1: vault and we're going to release it. Like it kind
Speaker 1: of negates the like blackmail aspect. And I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people recently have been getting the spammy messages
Speaker 1: of like, well, we saw what was on your laptop,
Speaker 1: what your laptop captured, which of course is a it's
Speaker 1: a great time to do horrible blackmail extortion like that
Speaker 1: to people because we're all just sitting here in front
Speaker 1: of our laptops constantly. Um. I was telling my husband,
Speaker 1: I was like, wouldn't it be awful if they like
Speaker 1: hacked my my laptop and they found like all of
Speaker 1: the me setting up zoom meetings where I'm just like
Speaker 1: like fumbling with my headphones. It's like worse than any
Speaker 1: nude but it's I'm I'm happy that, like you know,
Speaker 1: people have now creative control and they're able to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I will totally benefit from releasing these only fans is
Speaker 1: like positive. It's like it's needed because all of the
Speaker 1: other social platforms have more or less banned nudes. Um
Speaker 1: and Instagram will just sensor community or kick you off
Speaker 1: for nudity. So for a lot of people who if
Speaker 1: their job is in any way tied to like, yeah,
Speaker 1: selling pictures of themselves, um, only fansism is a better
Speaker 1: platform and like more of a direct way to get
Speaker 1: money for doing it for the people that are doing
Speaker 1: it themselves. So yeah, it's like you can put out
Speaker 1: the middleman of the sun and whatever. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: still a middleman. I'm sure you're still like paying a
Speaker 1: you know, it's probably Patreon or whatever. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: like Patreon, That's what I'm saying. It's like I think
Speaker 1: it's all content and like I really don't care if
Speaker 1: somebody is selling like you know, their body or their podcasts,
Speaker 1: Like it's all kind of the same thing to me,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And it's like it's certainly it's like
Speaker 1: everything is more empowering than having a sex tape linked
Speaker 1: against your will and you know, having to respond to
Speaker 1: that either defensively or progressively. Most Yeah, like a lot
Speaker 1: of sex workers can't make the living on just the nudes.
Speaker 1: Like they also ate podcasts and you know, other other
Speaker 1: jobs like yeah, everybody has five hustles and the idea
Speaker 1: that some people, I mean, there's definitely just been an
Speaker 1: argument overall since the virus started. Were all these like
Speaker 1: I understand this, like a lot of just like regular
Speaker 1: NORMI people were like, guess I'm going to start an
Speaker 1: only fans to like make that sweet sweet only fans money.
Speaker 1: And because I'm a millionaire and I don't think you're
Speaker 1: going to become a millionaire. You're not sure, but like
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the other people that you know,
Speaker 1: we're already doing that. We're like, we don't need more
Speaker 1: people doing this. And also like nobody has money, so
Speaker 1: it's not like everyone is going to become rich off
Speaker 1: only fans. So like leave it to the press question
Speaker 1: what would be your earnings floor for doing an only fans?
Speaker 1: Like if if if you set up an only fans,
Speaker 1: what would be the minimum amount of money it would
Speaker 1: take for you to be like post intend on how much?
Speaker 1: How much per picture? Like what it evens out to
Speaker 1: for Well, that's my question per photo? What would be
Speaker 1: your minimum? You know, you can think of like a
Speaker 1: sex tape as like a great way to launch a
Speaker 1: reality career if that's what you want. And that's clearly
Speaker 1: been successful for a very small number of people, but
Speaker 1: still they're there. But with only fans, I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 1: especially this is coming we're recording on Friday, there were
Speaker 1: there were just you know, a huge, massive number of
Speaker 1: layoffs in media. Again today it's obviously it's just going
Speaker 1: to keep going like this, So it is kind of
Speaker 1: something to ponder not that I'm particularly I am not
Speaker 1: pondering it, but I am a little just in terms
Speaker 1: of like what what I mean it's like with cameo,
Speaker 1: Like how much money could could and realistically make on cameo.
Speaker 1: It is just I don't think most people are making
Speaker 1: money on cameo or only fans to like actually support themselves.
Speaker 1: It's supplemental. Yeah, Like like very few people on Patreon
Speaker 1: are actually making the bulk of their living on Patreon.
Speaker 1: It's like, and I've seen people treating about it that,
Speaker 1: Like people have this fantasy of like, oh, I could
Speaker 1: just like you know, post some feet picks and make
Speaker 1: make some money. Uh, And like that's probably not how
Speaker 1: it's gonna work for with these people haven't had a
Speaker 1: blog called Wipe your feet for many years, I know everything.
Speaker 1: I think Jamie Loft has got on some like uh
Speaker 1: celeb feet you know website. That's the scarier thing actually
Speaker 1: is like even if you don't post pictures of yourself,
Speaker 1: people are looking for them. Yeah, Like definitely some semi
Speaker 1: famous people that I know I've seen. It's like people
Speaker 1: will take their photos from Instagram and Facebook and stuff
Speaker 1: and be like, look, their feet are showing in this photo.
Speaker 1: Here's a collection of all the like feet picks of
Speaker 1: this person. The when you start realizing like the foot
Speaker 1: pick market this and then you just fall into that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. It's astounding. It's like I would I don't
Speaker 1: care who looks at my if I could make five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, Like you wouldn't believe the things I'd have
Speaker 1: my feet be doing. Maybe the greatest shift in in
Speaker 1: millennium era Internet is like the scales falling off our
Speaker 1: eyes in regards to fill in the blank feet as
Speaker 1: a search. That's just it's just for everyone, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break and when we
Speaker 1: come back, some spooky quarantine times. Welcome back to night call.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about one thing that I talked
Speaker 1: about a lot, is like the rubicon also of when
Speaker 1: you could see nudity on the Internet versus when you
Speaker 1: had to seek it out yourself, and how that is
Speaker 1: like the big generation gap and my mom mind is
Speaker 1: people who had to find sex scenes just watch sex
Speaker 1: scenes in movies on like HBO. That was the best
Speaker 1: you were going to get. Um. So there's a big
Speaker 1: plotline on Real Houseves with Beverly Hills about Denise Richards
Speaker 1: being upset that somebody was talking about how they had
Speaker 1: a threesome at a party and she was worried or
Speaker 1: kids could hear. And I was like, that is so
Speaker 1: interesting because she is in one of the most famous
Speaker 1: screen threesomes of all time. Like, have their kids never
Speaker 1: looked up their mom and seen like wild things? Your
Speaker 1: mom in a hot three kids? They're like young teens
Speaker 1: and she's very protective of that because their dad is
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen and she's like, we don't want them to
Speaker 1: know all the things their dad has done. Um. She's
Speaker 1: married to this guy now who explained his job on
Speaker 1: an episode last week and it was just like truly
Speaker 1: sublime television because he talked for a full minute about
Speaker 1: what he does for a living and nobody could understand
Speaker 1: what it was because he was like everything science has
Speaker 1: told you is a lie. They're vibrations in the universe.
Speaker 1: Our bodies can heal themselves with sound. Um. And he
Speaker 1: was sitting next to a very stoned person who kept
Speaker 1: being like wow, yes, um. And the craziest part was
Speaker 1: then Lisa Rinna jumped in to be like, wait, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? My husband, Harry Hamlin actually works
Speaker 1: in the field of nuclear fusion, which it turns out
Speaker 1: he does. What Um, She was like, nothing you're saying
Speaker 1: makes any real scientific sense. And then Denny Churches and
Speaker 1: her husband, we're like, we can't talk about it too much.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we are followed for talking about it. So I
Speaker 1: looked into what he does. Obviously, it is a healing
Speaker 1: center in Malibu. Um it's called I think three sixty
Speaker 1: Wellness and basically it's sound baths. It's like play vibrational
Speaker 1: tones at you and sometimes do lights. Uh Yolanda Hadid
Speaker 1: Foster is a famous visitor to This is the one
Speaker 1: that Jane Marie went to on the last season of
Speaker 1: the same same idea. It's healing, it's positive healing, vibrations stuff.
Speaker 1: So Denise Richards was showing the other day in a
Speaker 1: magazine for a whistle that she owns that is called
Speaker 1: the love whistle that only blows at I believe it
Speaker 1: is five hundred and forty eight hurts hurts, which is
Speaker 1: the loving calm vibration. What does five h hurts sound like? Well?
Speaker 1: I went to YouTube to find out and there's a
Speaker 1: clip there's like, yeah, play play a little of the vibration.
Speaker 1: It's just that just whistle foot. It's just like a no.
Speaker 1: But when I looked it up on YouTube, there were
Speaker 1: all these like five hour Hurts videos and they just
Speaker 1: kind of are like new age music, and then every
Speaker 1: once in a while it goes like that's higher pitch
Speaker 1: than I would have thought. Um, But I got an
Speaker 1: ad on the YouTube video from a super weird ad
Speaker 1: that was super Nightcall that was something called the EPOC Times.
Speaker 1: Oh I think I know about this? Is this like
Speaker 1: a somewhat like religious or new age. Well, it was
Speaker 1: an ad that was like two white people in a
Speaker 1: kitchen being like, hey, what do you know about the coronavirus? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: I actually just read in this newspaper that it was
Speaker 1: created by the Chinese Communist Party. And then they opened
Speaker 1: this newspaper and they're like, check out this spread about
Speaker 1: the CCP virus um and it was like it was
Speaker 1: made in a lab by the CCP. So I like
Speaker 1: looked into this and it turns out EPOC Times is
Speaker 1: the media arm of uh Foulon Gong, which also puts
Speaker 1: on chan Yon uh Um so Foulon Goong hate the
Speaker 1: CCP because they were expelled from practicing in China because
Speaker 1: they were getting too big, and also because they are
Speaker 1: a cult sort of UM, so they hate so they're
Speaker 1: just funding all this right wing propaganda, this anti anti
Speaker 1: Chinese propaganda. UM. And then I treated about it and
Speaker 1: everybody was like, oh, I got that in my in
Speaker 1: my mailbox and I didn't know what it was. UM,
Speaker 1: that's my story. That's very that's more nightcall than I
Speaker 1: would have thought based on I was like Denise Richard's
Speaker 1: love Well. I was like, I was like, am I
Speaker 1: only getting this on? I was like, first of all,
Speaker 1: YouTube is clearly just showing propaganda, like far right wing
Speaker 1: propaganda and you know, misinformation, conspiracy theories that say the
Speaker 1: lab was made in the virus is made in a
Speaker 1: lab in China. Um. But then people who were saying
Speaker 1: people told me they got it just on all kinds
Speaker 1: of YouTube content. They were like, no, it wasn't just
Speaker 1: because you looked at something new. AG. It came up
Speaker 1: when I like looked up a recipe or something. They're
Speaker 1: just buying all the ad time on YouTube because they
Speaker 1: got banned from Facebook. I mean it seems like that
Speaker 1: like that Epic Times and UM and Uh Shenyan are
Speaker 1: both like for whatever reason, people are happy to like
Speaker 1: let them advertise as much as their money can can
Speaker 1: carry them. So I don't know what's up with that.
Speaker 1: But there's still like shen Yan banners everywhere, because I
Speaker 1: think there was supposed to be a show before in
Speaker 1: the before times, and now there's still shen Yan posters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's only for two thousand and six. Also, like chen
Speaker 1: Yan hasn't been around that it hasn't been around for
Speaker 1: a thousand years. Well, the ancient tradition of dance has
Speaker 1: been around for a thing. But obviously they're doing a
Speaker 1: kind of propaganda of like let's go back to ancient times. Um.
Speaker 1: But also you know they're they're the belief by people
Speaker 1: in Fouanong that their organs for being harvested is also
Speaker 1: possibly true. I don't know for sure about that part.
Speaker 1: I'm like not willing to pick a horse in this
Speaker 1: race between the CCP and found gun to kind of
Speaker 1: going to be honest, like I don't have I don't
Speaker 1: have a horse in this time. Well, I mean my
Speaker 1: horse is like not spreading misinformation about how the virus
Speaker 1: was made, you know, a big, big public platform. It's
Speaker 1: sucked up because a lot of dumb people are going
Speaker 1: to see that and be like, oh, in a newspaper
Speaker 1: speaking of that, an article about ghosts in the New
Speaker 1: York Times. Oh God, okay, guys, So I'm forcing everyone
Speaker 1: to talk about haunted houses this week. I found the
Speaker 1: flimsiest connection to Y two K that I'm totally going
Speaker 1: to exploit just to be able to talk about these things. Um.
Speaker 1: So this started off because I saw that Chris Maloney
Speaker 1: Um from Lawn Order Spew is selling his haunted house. Uh.
Speaker 1: He bought it a few years ago. It originally belonged
Speaker 1: to Ozzie and Harriet Nelson Um and also was used
Speaker 1: as Ari Gold's house in Entourage. It's a very beautiful house,
Speaker 1: so I was immediately quite taken by the taste of
Speaker 1: the ghost who lives inside. Yes, yes, super trad It's
Speaker 1: it's in the Hollywood Else kind of like Hollywood Hells
Speaker 1: West um, and it it has like, yeah, like kind
Speaker 1: of the nineteen forties or whatever, cape Coddish exterior. But
Speaker 1: every person who's lived there since Azzie and Harriet have
Speaker 1: claimed it's been haunted. And I think the same realtor
Speaker 1: has handled every sale of this house and he's kind
Speaker 1: of capitalizing on the reputation, which I honestly can't understand
Speaker 1: because right now, at this moment in time, seems like
Speaker 1: a time when even adventurous buyers who might think like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I don't mind a haunted house, Like
Speaker 1: I'll just prove how brave I am. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't really see that happening now. Um, But it is
Speaker 1: for sale. But apparently the people who have lived there
Speaker 1: have complained that there's a model train that was Aussie's
Speaker 1: train in what's called I think the pub room, which
Speaker 1: I and I don't really know what that means. I
Speaker 1: guess there's like a bar in this house with a
Speaker 1: model train, which is creepy enough. But the model train
Speaker 1: will run in the middle of the night and you'll
Speaker 1: hear it your sheets fly off in the night. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I read in one article, because I read
Speaker 1: like about a thousand on this that Auzzy his greatest
Speaker 1: vice was eating a ton of ice cream. And so
Speaker 1: one one of the residents who lived there and moved
Speaker 1: on said that there would be like open like as
Speaker 1: if he were looking for ice cream in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. The ghost of Azzi. Um, and also
Speaker 1: there was a family who lived there, and they would
Speaker 1: hear like voices of other children from outside being like
Speaker 1: come play, come play, But they were ghost children, so
Speaker 1: they weren't real. Um. Separately, though, the New York Times
Speaker 1: had reported that there were people who were quarantining in houses,
Speaker 1: and then after quarantining in these houses either rental properties
Speaker 1: or vacation homes or whatever, uh, they were complaining that
Speaker 1: they were newly haunted. So one man said that his
Speaker 1: window shades kept fluttering even though the window was closed
Speaker 1: and there were no critters around. A couple in Massachusetts
Speaker 1: described seeing a kitchen apparition, I quote, a white man
Speaker 1: in his fifty is wearing a well worn World War
Speaker 1: two era military uniform and caps, sitting at the table.
Speaker 1: So the New York Times got ahold of a paranormal
Speaker 1: researcher who said that the jump in haunting reports UM
Speaker 1: and also I guess some UFO reports. He said, Oh
Speaker 1: I I remember I saw this in during Y two
Speaker 1: K and it's a reflection of you know, just like
Speaker 1: the heightened anxiety. But I mean it makes sense that
Speaker 1: it would be even more prevalent now because we're all
Speaker 1: trapped in our houses that our houses our entire world.
Speaker 1: So it's like any kind of anxiety you have about
Speaker 1: the outside world kind of creeps in and manifests with
Speaker 1: these visions and fascinating. It's like, I know, were they
Speaker 1: all rental houses in the New York Times article? Or
Speaker 1: I think one of them may have belonged to the
Speaker 1: person It was just a house upstate. And then the
Speaker 1: couple who saw the World War two guy, I think
Speaker 1: that was an airbnb because I was just I was
Speaker 1: just thinking, like, I feel like I've experienced this a
Speaker 1: little bit, even though I moved the very beginning of lockdown.
Speaker 1: Just the amount of time you spend at home makes
Speaker 1: you so much more tuned to I feel like every
Speaker 1: single vibration and creek and sound in your house. I've
Speaker 1: definitely had nights where I'm trying to get to sleep
Speaker 1: and I hear something in in out in the living room,
Speaker 1: and I suddenly start to go into panic, like home
Speaker 1: invasion mode, and it's just like it's like it's like
Speaker 1: you've been in a in like a sealed environment, and
Speaker 1: so you're you're so much more sensitized to everything. It's
Speaker 1: like it feels like that kind of effect where that's
Speaker 1: absolutely and and the the kind of ambient sounds have
Speaker 1: changed so much because there's less traffic, there's less air traffic,
Speaker 1: so everything is is heightened, like the quiet noises that
Speaker 1: were drowned out before seemed louder. But yeah, also just
Speaker 1: I think, you know, inhabiting your house as if it
Speaker 1: were a whole universe. At this point, talk about why
Speaker 1: the Aussie and Harriet house might be haunted. Generally though,
Speaker 1: it's because he died Aussie died in the house. No,
Speaker 1: it's because Ricky Nelson died in a plane crash tragically,
Speaker 1: their son. But he wasn't they it's the ghost of
Speaker 1: Azzie is the one that they claim as what I'm
Speaker 1: learning is that apparently Azzie was a dictatorial personality who
Speaker 1: robbed his sons of their childhood by making them go
Speaker 1: into show business. Well, I mean, the whole family was
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine. They were like basically the first reality
Speaker 1: TV family, right because it wasn't really reality TV, but
Speaker 1: well there was a whole inviting them into our living room.
Speaker 1: And Ricky Nelson also had a kid and then had
Speaker 1: to have a shotgun wedding because he knocked up a
Speaker 1: girlfriend and they were like, let's pretend they've already gotten
Speaker 1: married and the babies being born prematurely. Now, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was the same grandchild, but one
Speaker 1: of Ozzie and Harriett's grandchildren comments on articles about the
Speaker 1: house um, and she says that when she would play
Speaker 1: there as a child, that she felt that it was haunted,
Speaker 1: and that like everyone in their family knows that house
Speaker 1: is haunted and has witnessed it haunted by show business.
Speaker 1: It is the ghosts of show Um. There's one less
Speaker 1: scary thing related to quarantine but not ghosts, that I
Speaker 1: wanted to make you guys talk about, which is um
Speaker 1: the robotic dog Spot, who is known for being terrifying,
Speaker 1: looking like he looks like he's from Black Mirror. He
Speaker 1: has no head but robotic legs like why not put out? Yes,
Speaker 1: we've talked about Spot before. It's the exact same one.
Speaker 1: So he's being used in Singapore now to enforce social distancing.
Speaker 1: So Um, he's remote controlled, but they want him to
Speaker 1: be fully automated at some point and he roams around
Speaker 1: he or she. I guess she had a female voice
Speaker 1: in the Al Jazeera video that I watched, but I
Speaker 1: think of him as a boy dog. They okay, so
Speaker 1: Spot they wanders around parks and and admonishes people like
Speaker 1: he's like a narc. He's like stern more. You know,
Speaker 1: you need to leave six feet and stuff. There's something
Speaker 1: about Spot that on They can't knock you over, or
Speaker 1: can they? I don't think. I don't think Spot is
Speaker 1: currently allowed to knock you over, But I'm saying the
Speaker 1: capability like stalking people in the park though it's I
Speaker 1: I find I find the slow creep so much more
Speaker 1: unsettling than a full on chase. It's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know that's why like twenty eight Days Later felt
Speaker 1: different because the zombies ran, but the zombies who walk,
Speaker 1: so it's still scary and and this has a very
Speaker 1: slow zombie feel to it. It's just sort of like
Speaker 1: trotting along after people in the park. Very and the
Speaker 1: fact that doesn't have a head. Why don't you have
Speaker 1: a head? It just seems like so stupid to me.
Speaker 1: It's like you go to all this trouble to make like,
Speaker 1: you know, to anthropomorphize your your narc robot, but you
Speaker 1: forget to put eyes or a head or a face
Speaker 1: on it. Like I think they're not really trying to
Speaker 1: entropomorphize it. I think that the way that the legs
Speaker 1: are are just like a way to make it the
Speaker 1: most stable, Like it's just kind of taking it's from
Speaker 1: the engineering of It looks like a coffee table that
Speaker 1: can run. To me, it looks like like Linda Hamilton
Speaker 1: and The Exorcist and she's like going down the stairs.
Speaker 1: What about a fight club where we just take baseball
Speaker 1: bats to those things? Well, no, no, This is the
Speaker 1: thing that's the most upsetting is have you seen the
Speaker 1: videos of people beating up and kicking those busts and
Speaker 1: robotics robots. It's really scary because it makes you just think, oh,
Speaker 1: when they get smart enough, they're going to fucking murder us.
Speaker 1: It's so awful to them. I would like to just
Speaker 1: have a fight club against the scooters because I know
Speaker 1: we are no man, they're back. As of a few
Speaker 1: days ago. They're fucking back, Mom, Yes they are. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: I have clocked to scooters on my street. The other day,
Speaker 1: I was driving around just to drive around, not to
Speaker 1: go anywhere, say for at home, but I was driving
Speaker 1: around and I saw like lines and lines of scooters
Speaker 1: and I was like I d bring them. Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: never gone away from you. Were talking on the bonus
Speaker 1: episode about which of the Batman Row Gallery villains the
Speaker 1: three of us are, and Emily said that I was
Speaker 1: Harley Quinn, which I was like, no, no, because I
Speaker 1: have red hair, must be poison ivy. But then thinking
Speaker 1: about how much I want to use a baseball bat
Speaker 1: to hit whever. You're truly and I mean that is
Speaker 1: a great compliment. I think you fixate sometimes too much
Speaker 1: on your ginger nous as you're defining trait, but you
Speaker 1: have so much more to offer, Molly. You can sing
Speaker 1: your baseball bat and destroy all sorts of things, right,
Speaker 1: chaotic good um. But also Emily felt strongly test that
Speaker 1: you were poison ivy because I grow a lot of
Speaker 1: growing like crazy you guys I've been. I didn't argue
Speaker 1: with that. For my husband's birthday, I like kind of
Speaker 1: did like a mine trick to get him to agree
Speaker 1: to have me buy him trees. I was like, what
Speaker 1: you want trees? So he's getting trees that poison it is.
Speaker 1: But I also was like, we have at this point,
Speaker 1: we have like too many because I also go to
Speaker 1: these like tree adoption events. Um. That they have like
Speaker 1: once or twice a year in my neighborhood, and I
Speaker 1: just adopt. What if you can like train train some
Speaker 1: vines to curl around the scooters so they can't be
Speaker 1: used to real quick poison ivy thing. Did you guys
Speaker 1: know you're supposed to shake You're supposed to gently shake
Speaker 1: your trees. No, I don't know what anything about trees.
Speaker 1: I want to know everything. If you gently shake a tree,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be your tree, but it makes
Speaker 1: the trunk stronger because it thinks that it's wind, so
Speaker 1: it adopts by making a stronger trunk. But that well,
Speaker 1: if you have trees inside, it wouldn't. And also we're
Speaker 1: now having some breezy times. But you can you can
Speaker 1: do it as long as you kind of condition them.
Speaker 1: You can use some force like mine seems stressed. I've
Speaker 1: been shaking them a lot. I definitely think that just
Speaker 1: being around trees. And maybe this is also because I've
Speaker 1: been playing Final Fantasy seven, as our bonus up was about,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like I need the life force
Speaker 1: of plants in order to like sustain myself. A horrible
Speaker 1: mood yesterday and I was just like super pent up
Speaker 1: and yeah, my boyfriend was like, why don't you just
Speaker 1: go for a walk like down the street, And just
Speaker 1: like as soon as I went outside and saw like
Speaker 1: one plant, I was like, oh life, it is a
Speaker 1: live I forced myself to take like an hour long
Speaker 1: walk every day, even when I really don't want to,
Speaker 1: because there are some wonderful flowers and trees and stuff
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood and if I just like immerse myself
Speaker 1: in them for a while, it does need a lot
Speaker 1: of good. Do you guys know about forest bathing? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about We've talked about it. Yeah. I feel
Speaker 1: like forest bathing and self grandparenting have become one in
Speaker 1: the same. That's true. We're going to take a quick
Speaker 1: break and when we come back, let me get back
Speaker 1: into Y two K. Welcome back tonight call. So we're
Speaker 1: in the middle of Y to May, and we still
Speaker 1: haven't really talked that much about why two K itself,
Speaker 1: or the year two thousand problem as it is I
Speaker 1: think properly known, and I kind of spent the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks digging into it and trying to learn
Speaker 1: things that I did not know. I didn't know about
Speaker 1: Y two K because as as we've discussed, we're all
Speaker 1: like teens and not really in charge of things, and
Speaker 1: maybe not the person in the house or at the
Speaker 1: school who needs to worry about things being hy two
Speaker 1: K compliant. But this was like a big thing for
Speaker 1: several years. It was a big marketing thing. It was
Speaker 1: kind of many feel, a big con that was pulled
Speaker 1: on the public to make a buck. So, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the Y two K not bug
Speaker 1: because it wasn't a bug. It turns out it was
Speaker 1: just a piece of engineering that was not a mistake. Uh,
Speaker 1: because I guess that's what a bug is technically. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I learned there's another one coming up apparently one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a problem as well in computing like this is
Speaker 1: where our background and being hot and catch fire enthusiasts
Speaker 1: really comes to serve thing. It's a similar thing. It's
Speaker 1: like computers, like older computers just weren't aren't prepared to
Speaker 1: handle the number because of Roman numerals or something very
Speaker 1: simple seeming. I couldn't follow why thirty eight was it
Speaker 1: like I I can, I can grasp why that your
Speaker 1: two thousand was a trouble spot, But don't either it's
Speaker 1: like some something. Yeah, it's just the highest number you
Speaker 1: could program two or something. If you are a computer
Speaker 1: expert who understands this, please give us a night call.
Speaker 1: If you're a computer experiencing, if you're a watchdog robot, um,
Speaker 1: please give us a call, give us a text. Um.
Speaker 1: So I spent the last week or so doing a
Speaker 1: little bit of a speedlessen of Surviving Y two K,
Speaker 1: which was a mini series podcast by damp To Birski,
Speaker 1: who was the guy who did the Richard Simmons podcast,
Speaker 1: which I didn't listen to, and I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people said it was very exploititive. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't get into it because it didn't sound like my
Speaker 1: my my bag necessarily. But he did this one as
Speaker 1: a follow up with topic, and I really dug it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really lovely. But and it's kind
Speaker 1: of most of it doesn't have that much to do
Speaker 1: with the Y two K problem itself, but um, it's
Speaker 1: sort of book ended by him talking to these programmers
Speaker 1: who were sort of there and started to recognize that
Speaker 1: there was there was an issue. And the thing about
Speaker 1: Y two K is that and I think this makes
Speaker 1: it feel very relevant to talk about now is that
Speaker 1: it was a problem, and it was something that was
Speaker 1: recognized kind of in the mid eighties, mid to late
Speaker 1: eighties UM. First with people's mortgages and stuff. UM. Some
Speaker 1: some like I think some expiration dates on canned meats
Speaker 1: started getting rejected because people thought that the meat was
Speaker 1: like eighty eight years old or something UM, or the
Speaker 1: expiration date was like an eighty eight years or something UM.
Speaker 1: And it did kind of get resolved by about there's
Speaker 1: an article we can link to in the Guardian UM.
Speaker 1: But by the New York Stock Exchange had completed a
Speaker 1: seven year project to correct all its system at a
Speaker 1: cost of thirty million dollars, and a lot a lot
Speaker 1: of them hadn't yet, but like the big ones that
Speaker 1: we're going to cause problems with people's credits and loans
Speaker 1: and stuff in the banking system and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: which you know, we've we've talked at length on this
Speaker 1: podcast about whether all that work was necessarily worth it.
Speaker 1: But that was largely already figured out by the time
Speaker 1: the greater public knew about Y two K. By the
Speaker 1: time the idea of why two K had entered popular discourse,
Speaker 1: and so the people who were kind of sounding. The
Speaker 1: warning bell ended up looking kind of silly in hindsight,
Speaker 1: but it is this sort of um as, as Diversity
Speaker 1: points out on the podcast, is sort of this idea
Speaker 1: of the profits dilemma, where it's like, if you say
Speaker 1: that there's a problem and you get people to fix it,
Speaker 1: then the problem doesn't happen, and then you look like
Speaker 1: somebody who was you know, running around like it's a
Speaker 1: chicken with your head cut off because nothing ended up happening, Like,
Speaker 1: as we know, nothing really went haywire on Y two K.
Speaker 1: So I just thought like that, thinking about that it
Speaker 1: was super interesting and learning that it actually was potentially
Speaker 1: a big problem, like it could have been the thing
Speaker 1: that everybody was afraid of. It was just by the
Speaker 1: time we heard about it, it was fixed for the
Speaker 1: most part. I mean, I I feel as though living
Speaker 1: being in a time when we're having an actually like
Speaker 1: extremely horrible disaster play out that was totally not predicted
Speaker 1: at all has kind of shaped my my perception of
Speaker 1: Y two K a little bit, because, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is all fascinating and it's weird how you can have
Speaker 1: a memory of how Y two K played out and
Speaker 1: a vague recollection of what the fear was. But because
Speaker 1: nothing actually because it was fixed in advance of playing out,
Speaker 1: it's so vague now, and like you were scared, Like
Speaker 1: I was really scared, as I mentioned about my emails,
Speaker 1: but my you know, instant messenger, like that was kind
Speaker 1: of the extent of it for me because I was
Speaker 1: a kid. But my dad was super freaked out. And
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was also the kind of
Speaker 1: thing where when people started started to really conjecture, and
Speaker 1: when those pieces started to gain steam, where people were saying, like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: here's a worst case scenario, someone could come up with
Speaker 1: a new worst case scenario, and eventually you could probably
Speaker 1: find people who actually believe that our country's entire infrastructure
Speaker 1: was going to crumble because of this computer. But especially now,
Speaker 1: if you think about what conspiracy five G Twitter, what
Speaker 1: I've done with something like why two k oh, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was already out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the environment in which Alex Jones started his
Speaker 1: radio show. Like that's that's a kind of a through
Speaker 1: line of the podcast. It's just that that alternative radio
Speaker 1: was really starting to become a big thing around the
Speaker 1: turn of the millennium and and you know, panic about
Speaker 1: this and then prepping and all that really started to
Speaker 1: become it's not a mainstream concerned at least something that
Speaker 1: more people have thought about and encountered, because there was
Speaker 1: all this millennialism of like, you know, the new World,
Speaker 1: but then that stuff didn't happen on two thousand, but
Speaker 1: that it did happen like a little bit after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I've been hearing a lot about how actually preppers
Speaker 1: are really unhappy now and a lot of the people
Speaker 1: leading the like let us go back to the hairdresser,
Speaker 1: the right wing, let us go back to work protests
Speaker 1: or being not leading because they're actually like funded by corporation.
Speaker 1: But the people participating in them are the people you
Speaker 1: would have thought would have been like stoked for the
Speaker 1: prepper moment to come. But in their prepper fantasy, basically
Speaker 1: they thought it was going to be just like a
Speaker 1: lawless that it was gonna be mad Max. Talk to
Speaker 1: me about at Max, and they were going to get
Speaker 1: to shoot and kill a lot people and they would
Speaker 1: be in charge. And the fact that it's like an
Speaker 1: invisible enemy that they can't shoot a gun at is
Speaker 1: like they're like Okay, enough of eating beans. They actually
Speaker 1: want to do this. There's like a couple of characters
Speaker 1: in the podcasts that are um are this couple in
Speaker 1: San Diego, These like total hippie you know, libertarian hippie
Speaker 1: types who are preppers completely from a like a left
Speaker 1: leftist side of things, and this is Prepper podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're very adorable and uh and and they are
Speaker 1: you know, in ways we've talked about. I think a
Speaker 1: lot on this podcast, like the idea of being a
Speaker 1: prepper is sort of wrapped up in there somewhere is
Speaker 1: the idea that you're looking forward to the end, whatever
Speaker 1: the end is, because there's some kind of opportunity in there,
Speaker 1: whether it's just to be able to like live out
Speaker 1: the purge and do whatever you want. But like for them,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we can start over. We can have
Speaker 1: like a world where we're not on this grid in
Speaker 1: a part of this credit system and everything. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll fight club type ship. Like they're they're just like
Speaker 1: really stoked for that. And she seemed really sweet and
Speaker 1: like started a whole survivalist school that like Navy seals
Speaker 1: were going to and stuff. I mean, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of us also do have that fantasy on the
Speaker 1: commune side, which is like you know, twin to not
Speaker 1: test us to shaking her head, no she doesn't like.
Speaker 1: But I mean you live and you live with a family,
Speaker 1: You live in an environment where like everyone has to
Speaker 1: work together and like do things together as a unit,
Speaker 1: and you like tell kids that, Molly. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that is like the to me, the positive inverse
Speaker 1: of preppers, which are very into like just me against
Speaker 1: the world and my family and maybe my neighbors who
Speaker 1: have more guns. Yeah, there's something I think that It
Speaker 1: was very It's it's very unusual to hear prepper types
Speaker 1: talking about this idea of it's not it's self sufficience
Speaker 1: and that like yes, I can like now they still
Speaker 1: teach from survival schools and it's sort of it's a
Speaker 1: nonprofit and it's it's kind of as a form of
Speaker 1: therapy to help people, um, you know, like troubled youths
Speaker 1: and stuff, be able to feel like the sense of
Speaker 1: self sufficience if they can they feel like they can
Speaker 1: survive in the wild, like they're they're still doing this stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's not this thing of like I'm a lone
Speaker 1: wolf fuck everybody else. I'm out for myself. It's this
Speaker 1: idea of like, no, I want to be like a
Speaker 1: part of the world. I want to be in tune
Speaker 1: with the world and what's going on with it and UM,
Speaker 1: which just feels like a very different direction to come
Speaker 1: at it from UM on on the on the kind
Speaker 1: of relevant to today's side of things too. It's really
Speaker 1: funny if you go through if you go to Cora,
Speaker 1: there is a page on Cora for who who solved
Speaker 1: Y two K And it's really fascinating because like the
Speaker 1: answer is that all these people, just every I T
Speaker 1: person at every company and in you know, in every
Speaker 1: school system and stuff, had to just go in and
Speaker 1: buy a hand and stall patches onto everything. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a big deal. I was just laborious, but everybody had
Speaker 1: to do it. And like thinking about that kind of
Speaker 1: global cooperation to stave off an oncoming problem and how
Speaker 1: little fanfare there is about that. Now nobody knows about that,
Speaker 1: but all these people did that. UM is like kind
Speaker 1: it's both inspiring and totally depressing. Oh absolutely. I know
Speaker 1: it's weird though too, because I I think I was
Speaker 1: just reading an article about a college student who was
Speaker 1: working on UM like security patches for website. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's still it's amazing how many people are always kind
Speaker 1: of working for the greater good and like coding capacities
Speaker 1: or I T capacities, And it's just I think maybe
Speaker 1: because that kind of stuff can be so dense, or
Speaker 1: there's like an element of that kind of work that's
Speaker 1: so hard for the average person to wrap their mind,
Speaker 1: Like I certainly can't understand half and when it starts
Speaker 1: to go real deep into like the coding and the
Speaker 1: patching and the work it takes, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, Like I can't really conceptualize it UM.
Speaker 1: And so maybe that's why it's just like not a
Speaker 1: glamorous thing to talk about how important that work is
Speaker 1: and how important that work was that it saved us
Speaker 1: from whatever would happened if Y two K had played out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's from this era. Also, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: very tied up with this era where nobody knew how
Speaker 1: to like show computer business on screen and movies, so
Speaker 1: we didn't know how to valorize it or like how
Speaker 1: to even make a narrative out of it UM until
Speaker 1: the Matrix basically even then, did nerds have all the
Speaker 1: money yet no, they pre nerds takeover and this was
Speaker 1: I remember like we I mean in a self deprecating way,
Speaker 1: like being people. Well, I think I assume all of
Speaker 1: us were on the internet more than like we had
Speaker 1: admitted to our friends back in the whatever like nineties
Speaker 1: and early odds. But it's funny because like we Molly
Speaker 1: and I would call it like we'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we should get on the nerd phone. But like I
Speaker 1: truly believed that there was nothing less cool than the
Speaker 1: amount of time I spent on the computer, which was
Speaker 1: probably like one one thousand of the time I currently
Speaker 1: spend on the computer. That I'm like, well, that's normal,
Speaker 1: That's that's life, right, you know. I think being forced
Speaker 1: into uh quarantine has made a lot of people be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll just like turn it on. There's no if there's
Speaker 1: no limitations in place for your screen time of activities
Speaker 1: or things you have to go do, then yeah, well
Speaker 1: it's also that everything else is off the table. Everything
Speaker 1: else is off the table. It just feels like you
Speaker 1: you reach a wall so fast in screens you know
Speaker 1: where it's like the thing of like, oh I can
Speaker 1: eat all this candy for dinner and then you're like,
Speaker 1: now I feel sick and bad. It's like not candy,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like sugar free, uh, like sweet tarts
Speaker 1: or something. It's like tab. It's drinking tab. Yeah, getting
Speaker 1: a naspar team headache, like I gotta go out and
Speaker 1: just guzzled at Chlorophyll've going outside a lot, but it's
Speaker 1: since the mandatory mass anytime you're outside your house thing,
Speaker 1: which I which I feel is a response to people
Speaker 1: who were just really irresponsible about it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: went for a walk a couple like maybe a week ago,
Speaker 1: and there were so many people without MASS, which I
Speaker 1: was fine with because they were just walking or running,
Speaker 1: but they just wouldn't stay away from other people. And
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, it's over. You know, we're
Speaker 1: going to have to wear a mask. And I think
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's it's hard because I can do
Speaker 1: it and it's fine, but I cannot. I physically cannot
Speaker 1: make my children wear MASS. And I know I have
Speaker 1: a lot of friends who are neurodivergent or their kids
Speaker 1: are nerro divergent. It's really difficult to wear a mask
Speaker 1: if you have sensory problems or whatever. So it's just
Speaker 1: for so many people, even going outside is now like
Speaker 1: a very fraud process. And and I I'm so over
Speaker 1: the screens. I've really reached my limit. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like, I just you know, everything is
Speaker 1: so fraught when you invent Calvinball. Yeah. Um. One other
Speaker 1: thing I linked to you guys to on the on
Speaker 1: our show notes, uh, was this website created by At
Speaker 1: first it was an anonymous creator who was later later
Speaker 1: revealed himself to be Robert blah Blah. Yes, I can't
Speaker 1: deal this is Bob blah Blah had a y t
Speaker 1: K blog. Uh. He was like, he's also in this podcast,
Speaker 1: but he was this um. He was sort of like
Speaker 1: an anti scare monk. Heer about why two K He
Speaker 1: was like trying to get because because Canada, I guess,
Speaker 1: was spending gobs and gobs of money on there, like
Speaker 1: Y two K operations. He was a programmer for the
Speaker 1: Canadian government and soon his entire like job had been
Speaker 1: completely circumvented into Y two K prep and he thought
Speaker 1: it was really silly. So he was like, he had
Speaker 1: this anonymous blog on angel Fire, which is still up. Um.
Speaker 1: An archived. It's not even archives. It's just there. It's
Speaker 1: not you don't have to go to to uh the
Speaker 1: Internet archives. But and it's incredible because it has all
Speaker 1: these emails, both from people who agree with them and
Speaker 1: people who are like furious at him for trying to
Speaker 1: say that why two K isn't happening, And it's just
Speaker 1: this incredible time capsule. But I think like there's basically
Speaker 1: this whole thing where he's really reacting to this guy, Um,
Speaker 1: Dave Eddie, who was sort of the main one of
Speaker 1: these main people who came out claiming there's this problem,
Speaker 1: this this y t K problem and then offering the
Speaker 1: solution like the classic con And so they were kind
Speaker 1: of in this like battle against each other via the Internet.
Speaker 1: It was like a very early angel fire fueled Internet
Speaker 1: battle between these two nerds. Whether um yeah, but I
Speaker 1: would really recommend going to this website and just sorting
Speaker 1: through all the emails, um they I think they go
Speaker 1: from nine seven to nine um, and just seeing what
Speaker 1: people say like uh like such. I'm just like on
Speaker 1: the January, Um, you are not God. You do not
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. But I appreciate your opinions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just fed into people's millennialism so much. It was
Speaker 1: like there were a lot of people who thought something
Speaker 1: was going to happen in the year two thousand and
Speaker 1: then the fact that there was something that might happen
Speaker 1: was something to latch onto as a sign that, you know,
Speaker 1: Beau Jesus would come back or something. Maybe that's what
Speaker 1: why two K was the idea. You know, it's all
Speaker 1: these made up numbers because at one point we decided
Speaker 1: to just started counting revolutions around the sun. But still
Speaker 1: people just kind of put so much. It's it's really
Speaker 1: interesting how much humans even now in a time it
Speaker 1: feels so unmistical because it's just like two thousand years
Speaker 1: after the apocryphal birth of Christ, right or death after
Speaker 1: the death? Isn't it funny? Sometimes I say things authoritatively
Speaker 1: like I'm like, I know that, and then I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's what a podcast is for. It is the birth,
Speaker 1: though I will I will correct you and say it's
Speaker 1: the birth. But but isn't it it doesn't ad a
Speaker 1: D not stand for after death. You know, it's on
Speaker 1: a dominate by the way, we're gonna put this obviously
Speaker 1: in the in the show notes. But if you want
Speaker 1: to look at this why two K blog, it is amazing.
Speaker 1: It's angel fired dot com. Forward slash, oh h forward
Speaker 1: slash just a number just so that you can just
Speaker 1: do it right now, because I know you're sitting at
Speaker 1: your device. It's just a number, but it is. It's
Speaker 1: I find this aesthetic so beautiful, the angel Fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why we talked about Molly Soda before being a
Speaker 1: yea artist who works with the angel Fire aesthetics sometimes.
Speaker 1: But I love it. It really feels like the Internet
Speaker 1: where still anything could happen, which I guess is why
Speaker 1: everybody thought that the Internet could just like melt down
Speaker 1: the whole world because it felt new and magical. On
Speaker 1: bob blah blaws blog, it does say that. It says PostScript,
Speaker 1: this website was frozen on December as a permanent document
Speaker 1: on how all of us acted and reacted to the
Speaker 1: Y two K myth from But Emily, you're you're right
Speaker 1: when you point out it was not a myth, like
Speaker 1: it was something real that was going It was pre emptive.
Speaker 1: He's saying. The myth was that it yeah, and then
Speaker 1: that date that it was still like nothing had been resolved,
Speaker 1: and that like nobody knew it was going to happen
Speaker 1: like that. Shocking that they only reported on the disaster
Speaker 1: mongering mongering part and not the quietly responsibly fixing things. Um, Emily,
Speaker 1: you asked us to go find like a t K
Speaker 1: artifact to watch, so I obviously just typed y t
Speaker 1: K into YouTube to see what would happen. And I
Speaker 1: found out that it was really hard to find actual stuff.
Speaker 1: Because there is a rapper named Y two K. Is
Speaker 1: he or she good? I didn't listen to their music.
Speaker 1: They looked kind of in the post malon category. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say the name is K not the postmlon's rapper,
Speaker 1: but you hear what I'm saying. Maybe a white guy
Speaker 1: with face tattoos, I think. Um. But I also found
Speaker 1: a video that was like how to do the Y
Speaker 1: two K aesthetic that was like this girl had made
Speaker 1: that was just um copying art basically like art in
Speaker 1: bubble frames of like here's how you dress, here's what
Speaker 1: you listen to. And it was a lot of like
Speaker 1: we were talking about, sort of like shiny, sparkly vinyl fabrics,
Speaker 1: things like that. Um, which is what I think zoomers
Speaker 1: think of the Y two K aesthetic as being there's
Speaker 1: also like a good Y two K filter on Instagram
Speaker 1: that is very that. But I I just a search
Speaker 1: for Y t K on the Instagram filters and one
Speaker 1: came up, and it's like, I'll post it so you
Speaker 1: guys can post it to it gives you a couple
Speaker 1: of options, but they're they're both very like j Lo
Speaker 1: Year two thousand style, like sparkly ear rings and like
Speaker 1: shiny sunglasses, glower shots or something or just like very
Speaker 1: like like Total Request Live, just like like glossy pop
Speaker 1: video aesthetic. UM. And I also watched a Sports Center
Speaker 1: commercial that was apparently very famous UM that I did
Speaker 1: not really remember except maybe in some ancient way. UM.
Speaker 1: But it was a commercial for Sports Center about Y
Speaker 1: two K that's like Y t K happens like they're
Speaker 1: they're running test runs for Y two K at the
Speaker 1: Sports Center office. And it was just one of those
Speaker 1: ads about like how fun it is to work at
Speaker 1: Sports Center, like all the Sports Center ads, but this
Speaker 1: one is like chaos just rains in the Sports Center office.
Speaker 1: It's like they start breaking down and they show like
Speaker 1: two of the broadcasters doing like the the Sports Center
Speaker 1: by Candle Light, and then there's a guy who you're
Speaker 1: supposed to recognize from ESPN who's like, come with me
Speaker 1: if you want to live. At the end, I I
Speaker 1: admire your your relentless pursuit and making the sports Call
Speaker 1: segment happened. Regardless of the topics that were, it reminded
Speaker 1: me of all those Sports Center ads that I had
Speaker 1: totally just forgotten about them all, Like they were normally
Speaker 1: just about how zeny the Sports Center office was, and
Speaker 1: then this one was like it's zany and also like
Speaker 1: the apocalypse is happening here. I've never seen any of
Speaker 1: those ads until I worked in Grantland and then like
Speaker 1: when people were asking about like what's the office, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that's where people got the idea it's
Speaker 1: really super fun. End. But um, now we are running
Speaker 1: the Y two K drill, so we will we do?
Speaker 1: We are doing this podcast by candle Light in a way,
Speaker 1: you know, like it is pioneer time. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: was like, how you know you you do work around
Speaker 1: a catastrophe to try and keep keep some of the
Speaker 1: the pod trains coming. M H. The thing that I
Speaker 1: found when I was looking into Y two k artifacts
Speaker 1: is something I talked about all the time on this podcast,
Speaker 1: which is Siphil and Ali, which ran from UM. But
Speaker 1: as I was just I watched just all the clips
Speaker 1: that were on YouTube because nothing brings me more joy
Speaker 1: honestly than than watching the socks um. But it also
Speaker 1: made me think. I was like, somebody needs to just
Speaker 1: start doing basically simple and Ali right now, like all
Speaker 1: of the content that's kind of being creating. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't able to create content right now.
Speaker 1: I every night I'm like I should write something. It's
Speaker 1: like I just don't because I'm stressed. But I was like, man,
Speaker 1: somebody should really maybe not do like an exact civil
Speaker 1: and Ali thing, But that's like kind of the best
Speaker 1: quarantine art would be either puppetry actually yeah, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: animating is hard. I've seen late forever. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think TikTok is the frontier at this point for things
Speaker 1: like that, and I've seen it. I just don't watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you see them, you see them aggregated.
Speaker 1: Back on Twitter, there was a girl who went by
Speaker 1: for doing like a fake Wes Anderson movie this week.
Speaker 1: But stuff like that where that stuff is she's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like guest stars, she's done show Girls. There's this girl
Speaker 1: Marris Jones. I'm obsessed to I who did this thing
Speaker 1: that was like the history of the Beatles where she
Speaker 1: did all of the Beatles and like just perfectly got
Speaker 1: all of their mannerisms in different years. That's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: made me wish I had my twee videos I made
Speaker 1: in college. But also people doing like even less production
Speaker 1: anyones that are just really incredibly edited where they play
Speaker 1: all the characters. That to me has been like the
Speaker 1: art form of that. These people doing those videos where
Speaker 1: it's like one guy doing everything, which people were doing
Speaker 1: before this, but now it's just like sort of how
Speaker 1: much how much people can get out of just like
Speaker 1: very few props and like no setup. Is really impressive
Speaker 1: to me. But don't you sometimes get sick of seeing
Speaker 1: like the human face on the computer screen? You know
Speaker 1: what I like, isn't there? I have been I'm trying
Speaker 1: to look up her name. You want to put like
Speaker 1: you want to real sock. I know if I need
Speaker 1: a sock puppet, I need the ability for someone to
Speaker 1: convince me that there's like multiple people in a room
Speaker 1: when in fact, there's one. I promise we'll do a
Speaker 1: live stream sometime where you can be a sock the
Speaker 1: whole time. No. Look, but actually, now that you're talking
Speaker 1: about this, we've come full circle. We were talking about
Speaker 1: like monetizing feet, and now we're talking about monetizing socks,
Speaker 1: and maybe this is like a zeitgeistie thing right now.
Speaker 1: Look down, you have looked down. That was my one
Speaker 1: thought that I had on one particularly theater nerdy day
Speaker 1: or it was like, what if I could do all
Speaker 1: of lightness by myself? Emily, you should, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Become the TikTok teens we want to see in the world.
Speaker 1: I know. I was just like, how does any how
Speaker 1: does any young person have the sort of confidence? Because
Speaker 1: I started and then I was just like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I can't look at my face for this long. Well
Speaker 1: performing as someone who has not really performed into a
Speaker 1: computer screen, but who may or may not be married
Speaker 1: to someone who had you like act into the zoom uh,
Speaker 1: it was like an out of horrible, out of body experience.
Speaker 1: I mean, when we're podcasting, we're like staring at it.
Speaker 1: We're just basically frescasting a conversation. But like when you
Speaker 1: have to like commit to a role, maybe a dramatic one,
Speaker 1: and you're staring at the light and you're you're acting
Speaker 1: into the I mean I could. It's so different than
Speaker 1: a camera regular camera's In this Roger Rabbit special I watched,
Speaker 1: it had all this footage I had never seen before
Speaker 1: of Bob Hoskins just acting against nothing. But also he
Speaker 1: acted against the guy who does the voice of Roger
Speaker 1: Rabbit because that guy insisted on being on set every time,
Speaker 1: um to do the voice live, which is not traditional Zodiac.
Speaker 1: He's very good at being scary um. But just yeah,
Speaker 1: all this stuff of like people acting against nothing, which
Speaker 1: is how so many movies are made now. It is
Speaker 1: a skill. It is a skill, but it's like at
Speaker 1: least I don't know, at least if there's someone else
Speaker 1: in the room whom you could just be taught, like
Speaker 1: you're looking at a face, like you could look at
Speaker 1: the director or whatever. Again, this is like our only
Speaker 1: fans will just be a continental you know, just like welcome, Oh,
Speaker 1: why won't you come sit down if you would like
Speaker 1: a nightcall only fans that's just start not even say
Speaker 1: those words together, just kidding. If you have thoughts about
Speaker 1: why two K as we continuere like, you're the one
Speaker 1: who asked how much? I mean, let's see what the
Speaker 1: market is saying. You know, I think I asked how much.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just need a spitball and I'm not
Speaker 1: committed to anything. Um. If you have thoughts on y
Speaker 1: t K, please give us a night call it one
Speaker 1: to four or four six night where you can also
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