WEBVTT - 111: Sex, Y2K & Videotapes 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.080 It's two thirty five AM, and you're huddled around bob 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:17.040 blob blobs desktop computer, and you're listening to Night Call. Hello, 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.000 and welcome back to Night Call, a call in show 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.639 for our dystopian reality. I am Tess Lynch in Los 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.520 Angeles and with me are Molly Lambert and Emily Yoshida. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:32.680 How you guys doing good, doing amazing. I'm just gonna 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.440 say I'm doing great. I'm like, I'm very tired of 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.480 the dance of like, oh, you know, I just want 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.919 to be like I'm doing awesome. I'm gonna say like 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:48.839 I'm elevating. Yes. Um. We got a great night email 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.680 this week from a friend of the show, Brooke, a 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.560 gossip girl. We wanted to kick things off with it because, uh, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.040 I feel like you guys might have a lot of 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.240 thoughts about this one. So this is what Brooke, she says. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.160 Going off of the discussion of what counts as the decade, 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.760 I considered the ohs to be the decade of the 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.720 birth of the Internet. As such, I think the oh 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.679 sex tape craze starts with Pam Anderson in eight, followed 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.360 shortly by the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which was essentially lit erotica. 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.560 That's how I learned that blow jobs were a normal 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.760 part of adult sex lives. Onto Paris Hilton and Oh 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:27.000 Three Girls Gone Wild, the Kim Kardashian tape in earlier seven, 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.880 and pattering out with the Lauren Conrad sex tape rumors 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.080 that never produced an actual tape, but did give us 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.240 a good season of the hills. It seems to me 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.800 that sex tapes are a great manage point through which 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.600 to examine the stages of the Internet. At first, it 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.039 was kind of the wild West before social media. There 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.319 was no way for celebrities to spend their own narratives, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.000 and they were subjected to outlets like TMZ and Perez 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.240 with no recourse. The next wave, the post Keeping Up 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.760 with the Kardashians era, celebrities had multiple ways to correct 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.480 the narrative. Now, people like Caroline Callaway proudly announced their 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.160 only fans on their Twitter dairy and people to say 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.800 something about it. A Perez couldn't find an audience now 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.840 when you can just go directly to the source. When 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.000 I think about that decade, my decade of high school 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.960 and college, it's inextricably linked to the sex tapes. And 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.799 reality shows birth from them. Do we get the Playboy 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.160 reality show The Girl's Nex Door in two thousand and 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.400 five without Pam and paris Is sex tapes? If Pam's 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.200 tape had come out a few years later, which she 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.280 and Tommy have had a reality show. Would love to 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.560 know your thoughts. XO XO Gossip Girl. What do you think, guys? 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.400 This is interesting? I mean, I definitely think that she 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.919 that Pam and Tommy would have been offered a reality show. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.440 The question Pam and Tommy I think of as a 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.840 different scenario. Um. I actually did an episode about some 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.680 of the sex tapes Withnami Fry over at my Side 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.320 Pot Molly Sleusy Friends, where I learned a lot of 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.280 the details about the Pam and Tommy tape, which is 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.440 that it was stolen. It was not you know, released 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.120 by them. It was literally like stolen from a vault 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.000 in their house and released against their will. So that 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.280 to me makes it a very different thing than the 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.640 Paris and Kim tapes, which were at least the Paris 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.760 one that was not released, that was released against her will. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.639 I think I don't know if that's true. I mean, 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.880 I feel like she see this is. My theory is 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:25.080 that Paris the tape was actually released against her will. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.520 Like I believe her on that, and she just did 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.600 a good job of making lemonade out of lemons and 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.160 made a blueprint for it. That then Kim Kardashian, her 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.280 friend of me, could actually mimic um and you know, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:43.520 possibly intentionally leak it hoping to follow in the same 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.520 like perfect the model. Basically, I'm gonna say I'm not 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:52.240 sure a on either Paris. I mean, I am a 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.440 percent sure on Kimp, but I don't think she's ever 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.360 publicly admitted that her mom was the one who was like, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.320 you should make a sex tape and sell it even 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.280 though that or does she ever need to public The 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.600 thing about the Paris and Kim sex tapes is that 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.440 they're terrible. You know, they're like the sex doesn't look 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.120 fun and they're sort of just like depressing, especially the 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.520 Paris Helton one because it's shot all in night vision. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.920 Everybody looks like an alien. Um. The Pam and Tommy one, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.520 even though it was you know, stolen and leaked against 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:30.320 their will, it's like it's different because it's so romantic. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.760 You know, they're so in love with each other. And 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.520 that's what makes it feel really intimate, not just that 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.000 you're like, we shouldn't be seeing this because like it's 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:43.080 their private thing, but that they're on their honeymoon and 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:47.560 they're super in love with each other, and it feels 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:52.960 like getting to see like JFK and Maryland together. You know, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.760 you're just like, oh, yeah, like these people have a 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.400 private life, and it is interesting because like, obviously things 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.400 have changed so much out that nobody would ever like 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.440 make a sex tape. People would just be filming on 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.440 their yachts and streaming it publicly, is what I mean. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.279 You might not see the sex, but you would see 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.760 all the other stuff. Well, I think also, I mean 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.400 that she she so she brings up Caroline Callaway, who's 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.240 been over the past month or so doing a lot 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.160 of kind of you know, releasing her own nudes and 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.160 stuff like that. I actually haven't totally caught up with 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.440 my Callaway, but I the last I saw was that 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.800 she had posted on Twitter like a picture of her 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.960 nipple or something. She's the point in quarantine where she 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.240 was like, I'm just gonna post nudes, which is like 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.760 a point everybody reaches in quarantine eventually, is it, Like 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.479 what does it matter? You know, just only connect? How 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.640 are you going to connect to people if you're by 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.479 yourself and only have the Internet as a pipeline, Like 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:55.479 that's a way to feel vulnerable and alive, don't you wonder? 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.840 I mean, I guess it is. It's an income source 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.599 and only fans, which I just learned about from you guys, 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:06.560 like no time ago. Because so she you know, people 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.160 are mad at her only fans because they're like, your 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.920 co opting sex work for like something else that's just 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.120 sort of like Instagram plus and like male sex workers 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.000 do stuff like this to make a living, and like 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.919 you're not doing it the right way. And then Caroline 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.880 is very like, who's you know? I just want to 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.680 be part of this, like we're all the same. But 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.719 she has charging a lot for her How much is 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.360 she charging fifty a month? I think? But then I 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.240 was a lot. Who am I to like tell people 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.480 not to use whatever they have to make money off 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.880 the internet? Right now? That's true. Also, I think if 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.800 Caroline Calloway thinks that people pay like fifty dollars a 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.680 month for an occasional nip slip, like she'll learn, she'll 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.440 it's better than that. It's better than that. Okay, she 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:58.920 does more. She's doing cause play as I mean female 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.400 characters of literate Sure, but like doesn't want to be 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:07.600 doing that with its smart for it's like perfect. She's 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:12.320 doing like Elizabeth Bennett gets naked. She was doing Miss 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:18.400 Honey from Matilda the other day. Is this really? Yeah? 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.680 I think that's I mean honestly, like I'm not mad, 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.480 like actually like only fans I feel like, I mean, 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.840 I'm not positive on this, but it appeared to me, 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.040 and I'm also like not feel free to correct me, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.640 but it seemed to me the only Fans was kind 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.400 of invented, like in the way that, um, what was 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.040 that original platform for celebrities to put their stuff on 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.040 their photos that like lasted for maybe two years of 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.360 early Twitter? What was I don't know, do you know 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.560 what I'm talking about? That was like all these celebrities 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.640 had this place. It was like and it was just 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.920 like Peter down because nobody really felt like keeping up 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.040 this whole separate profile. But it's just like that like 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.040 somebody decided like, oh, you can monetize like your premium 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.200 content on so if you're like getting a lot of 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.960 hits for free on social and then obviously it gets 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:10.000 co opted by people in the adult sector and and 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.120 like very logically like that that makes sense. But I 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.720 don't feel like Only Fans was set up as an 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:20.200 adult site. It just very obviously lent itself to that. 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.080 So I don't think it's a co opting anything. I mean, 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.200 I think it's known best as an adult site. I 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.800 think that I don't know, the politics of the nude 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.400 trade market are difficult, you know, I think, well, I 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.600 think one thing that that's interesting is how, you know, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:43.240 Only Fans and kind of giving the content creator full 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:48.400 creative control over who gets to see their nudes and 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.760 who benefits from that, being the creator not someone who 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.640 steals and leaks a tape or whatever? Is that? Now? 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.559 Can we agree that that's like somewhat empowering and better. 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:01.720 I mean, on the one hand, I think that it's 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.560 great to eliminate the market for like, you know, oh, look, 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.480 we have a sex tape that we stole from a 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.880 vault and we're going to release it. Like it kind 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.160 of negates the like blackmail aspect. And I know a 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.400 lot of people recently have been getting the spammy messages 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.359 of like, well, we saw what was on your laptop, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.959 what your laptop captured, which of course is a it's 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.559 a great time to do horrible blackmail extortion like that 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.480 to people because we're all just sitting here in front 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.520 of our laptops constantly. Um. I was telling my husband, 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.160 I was like, wouldn't it be awful if they like 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.880 hacked my my laptop and they found like all of 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.679 the me setting up zoom meetings where I'm just like 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.440 like fumbling with my headphones. It's like worse than any 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.600 nude but it's I'm I'm happy that, like you know, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.679 people have now creative control and they're able to be like, Okay, 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.680 I will totally benefit from releasing these only fans is 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:55.040 like positive. It's like it's needed because all of the 0:09:55.080 --> 0:10:01.000 other social platforms have more or less banned nudes. Um 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.920 and Instagram will just sensor community or kick you off 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.800 for nudity. So for a lot of people who if 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.760 their job is in any way tied to like, yeah, 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.000 selling pictures of themselves, um, only fansism is a better 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.000 platform and like more of a direct way to get 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.040 money for doing it for the people that are doing 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:23.040 it themselves. So yeah, it's like you can put out 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.040 the middleman of the sun and whatever. I mean, there's 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.320 still a middleman. I'm sure you're still like paying a 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.840 you know, it's probably Patreon or whatever. Yeah, it is 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.720 like Patreon, That's what I'm saying. It's like I think 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.240 it's all content and like I really don't care if 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.119 somebody is selling like you know, their body or their podcasts, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:43.960 Like it's all kind of the same thing to me, 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:48.080 you know. Yeah, And it's like it's certainly it's like 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.280 everything is more empowering than having a sex tape linked 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.080 against your will and you know, having to respond to 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.640 that either defensively or progressively. Most Yeah, like a lot 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.400 of sex workers can't make the living on just the nudes. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.880 Like they also ate podcasts and you know, other other 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:11.400 jobs like yeah, everybody has five hustles and the idea 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.080 that some people, I mean, there's definitely just been an 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.560 argument overall since the virus started. Were all these like 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.880 I understand this, like a lot of just like regular 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.600 NORMI people were like, guess I'm going to start an 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.040 only fans to like make that sweet sweet only fans money. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.400 And because I'm a millionaire and I don't think you're 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.360 going to become a millionaire. You're not sure, but like 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.480 I think a lot of the other people that you know, 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.360 we're already doing that. We're like, we don't need more 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.840 people doing this. And also like nobody has money, so 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.520 it's not like everyone is going to become rich off 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.720 only fans. So like leave it to the press question 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:54.000 what would be your earnings floor for doing an only fans? 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.400 Like if if if you set up an only fans, 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.520 what would be the minimum amount of money it would 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.640 take for you to be like post intend on how much? 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.600 How much per picture? Like what it evens out to 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.760 for Well, that's my question per photo? What would be 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.880 your minimum? You know, you can think of like a 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.480 sex tape as like a great way to launch a 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.520 reality career if that's what you want. And that's clearly 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.200 been successful for a very small number of people, but 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.960 still they're there. But with only fans, I'm like, I mean, 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.120 especially this is coming we're recording on Friday, there were 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.760 there were just you know, a huge, massive number of 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.800 layoffs in media. Again today it's obviously it's just going 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.640 to keep going like this, So it is kind of 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.200 something to ponder not that I'm particularly I am not 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.480 pondering it, but I am a little just in terms 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.520 of like what what I mean it's like with cameo, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.480 Like how much money could could and realistically make on cameo. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.520 It is just I don't think most people are making 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.360 money on cameo or only fans to like actually support themselves. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.800 It's supplemental. Yeah, Like like very few people on Patreon 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.400 are actually making the bulk of their living on Patreon. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.760 It's like, and I've seen people treating about it that, 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.000 Like people have this fantasy of like, oh, I could 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.640 just like you know, post some feet picks and make 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.800 make some money. Uh, And like that's probably not how 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:22.280 it's gonna work for with these people haven't had a 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:26.319 blog called Wipe your feet for many years, I know everything. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.319 I think Jamie Loft has got on some like uh 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:35.600 celeb feet you know website. That's the scarier thing actually 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.800 is like even if you don't post pictures of yourself, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.120 people are looking for them. Yeah, Like definitely some semi 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.680 famous people that I know I've seen. It's like people 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.959 will take their photos from Instagram and Facebook and stuff 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.400 and be like, look, their feet are showing in this photo. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.720 Here's a collection of all the like feet picks of 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.760 this person. The when you start realizing like the foot 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.920 pick market this and then you just fall into that 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.200 rabbit hole. It's astounding. It's like I would I don't 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.000 care who looks at my if I could make five 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.760 thousand dollars, Like you wouldn't believe the things I'd have 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.720 my feet be doing. Maybe the greatest shift in in 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:18.719 millennium era Internet is like the scales falling off our 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:23.120 eyes in regards to fill in the blank feet as 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:30.200 a search. That's just it's just for everyone, you know. Um, 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.400 we're going to take a quick break and when we 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:49.040 come back, some spooky quarantine times. Welcome back to night call. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.360 I was just thinking about one thing that I talked 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.640 about a lot, is like the rubicon also of when 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.920 you could see nudity on the Internet versus when you 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.200 had to seek it out yourself, and how that is 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.280 like the big generation gap and my mom mind is 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.240 people who had to find sex scenes just watch sex 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.520 scenes in movies on like HBO. That was the best 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.200 you were going to get. Um. So there's a big 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.840 plotline on Real Houseves with Beverly Hills about Denise Richards 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.440 being upset that somebody was talking about how they had 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.880 a threesome at a party and she was worried or 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.400 kids could hear. And I was like, that is so 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.440 interesting because she is in one of the most famous 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.680 screen threesomes of all time. Like, have their kids never 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.560 looked up their mom and seen like wild things? Your 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:35.320 mom in a hot three kids? They're like young teens 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.880 and she's very protective of that because their dad is 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.360 Charlie Sheen and she's like, we don't want them to 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:44.040 know all the things their dad has done. Um. She's 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.920 married to this guy now who explained his job on 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.600 an episode last week and it was just like truly 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.320 sublime television because he talked for a full minute about 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.600 what he does for a living and nobody could understand 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.720 what it was because he was like everything science has 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.239 told you is a lie. They're vibrations in the universe. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:06.120 Our bodies can heal themselves with sound. Um. And he 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.160 was sitting next to a very stoned person who kept 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.000 being like wow, yes, um. And the craziest part was 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.360 then Lisa Rinna jumped in to be like, wait, what 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.240 are you talking about? My husband, Harry Hamlin actually works 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.200 in the field of nuclear fusion, which it turns out 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.920 he does. What Um, She was like, nothing you're saying 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.640 makes any real scientific sense. And then Denny Churches and 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.720 her husband, we're like, we can't talk about it too much. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.960 Sometimes we are followed for talking about it. So I 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.680 looked into what he does. Obviously, it is a healing 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.760 center in Malibu. Um it's called I think three sixty 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:46.160 Wellness and basically it's sound baths. It's like play vibrational 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:51.840 tones at you and sometimes do lights. Uh Yolanda Hadid 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.680 Foster is a famous visitor to This is the one 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.320 that Jane Marie went to on the last season of 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:03.400 the same same idea. It's healing, it's positive healing, vibrations stuff. 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.320 So Denise Richards was showing the other day in a 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.359 magazine for a whistle that she owns that is called 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:13.919 the love whistle that only blows at I believe it 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:19.199 is five hundred and forty eight hurts hurts, which is 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:24.800 the loving calm vibration. What does five h hurts sound like? Well? 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.920 I went to YouTube to find out and there's a 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:32.000 clip there's like, yeah, play play a little of the vibration. 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.240 It's just that just whistle foot. It's just like a no. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.320 But when I looked it up on YouTube, there were 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:43.240 all these like five hour Hurts videos and they just 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.160 kind of are like new age music, and then every 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:49.880 once in a while it goes like that's higher pitch 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.240 than I would have thought. Um, But I got an 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:57.399 ad on the YouTube video from a super weird ad 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:02.120 that was super Nightcall that was something called the EPOC Times. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.280 Oh I think I know about this? Is this like 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.480 a somewhat like religious or new age. Well, it was 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.960 an ad that was like two white people in a 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.960 kitchen being like, hey, what do you know about the coronavirus? Oh? Well, 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.240 I actually just read in this newspaper that it was 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.640 created by the Chinese Communist Party. And then they opened 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.679 this newspaper and they're like, check out this spread about 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.840 the CCP virus um and it was like it was 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:29.919 made in a lab by the CCP. So I like 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.040 looked into this and it turns out EPOC Times is 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:38.520 the media arm of uh Foulon Gong, which also puts 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:43.000 on chan Yon uh Um so Foulon Goong hate the 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.960 CCP because they were expelled from practicing in China because 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.240 they were getting too big, and also because they are 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:55.240 a cult sort of UM, so they hate so they're 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.960 just funding all this right wing propaganda, this anti anti 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.639 Chinese propaganda. UM. And then I treated about it and 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.520 everybody was like, oh, I got that in my in 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:07.040 my mailbox and I didn't know what it was. UM, 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.320 that's my story. That's very that's more nightcall than I 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.040 would have thought based on I was like Denise Richard's 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.199 love Well. I was like, I was like, am I 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.000 only getting this on? I was like, first of all, 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.120 YouTube is clearly just showing propaganda, like far right wing 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.159 propaganda and you know, misinformation, conspiracy theories that say the 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.119 lab was made in the virus is made in a 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.920 lab in China. Um. But then people who were saying 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.800 people told me they got it just on all kinds 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.879 of YouTube content. They were like, no, it wasn't just 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.000 because you looked at something new. AG. It came up 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.240 when I like looked up a recipe or something. They're 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.639 just buying all the ad time on YouTube because they 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.840 got banned from Facebook. I mean it seems like that 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.840 like that Epic Times and UM and Uh Shenyan are 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.679 both like for whatever reason, people are happy to like 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.880 let them advertise as much as their money can can 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.880 carry them. So I don't know what's up with that. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.800 But there's still like shen Yan banners everywhere, because I 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.159 think there was supposed to be a show before in 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.800 the before times, and now there's still shen Yan posters. Yeah, 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.520 it's only for two thousand and six. Also, like chen 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.080 Yan hasn't been around that it hasn't been around for 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:25.000 a thousand years. Well, the ancient tradition of dance has 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.119 been around for a thing. But obviously they're doing a 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:33.879 kind of propaganda of like let's go back to ancient times. Um. 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.920 But also you know they're they're the belief by people 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:42.520 in Fouanong that their organs for being harvested is also 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:46.040 possibly true. I don't know for sure about that part. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.760 I'm like not willing to pick a horse in this 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.960 race between the CCP and found gun to kind of 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.880 going to be honest, like I don't have I don't 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.399 have a horse in this time. Well, I mean my 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:03.120 horse is like not spreading misinformation about how the virus 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:08.520 was made, you know, a big, big public platform. It's 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.199 sucked up because a lot of dumb people are going 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.240 to see that and be like, oh, in a newspaper 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.359 speaking of that, an article about ghosts in the New 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:20.040 York Times. Oh God, okay, guys, So I'm forcing everyone 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.960 to talk about haunted houses this week. I found the 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.880 flimsiest connection to Y two K that I'm totally going 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.440 to exploit just to be able to talk about these things. Um. 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:34.400 So this started off because I saw that Chris Maloney 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:39.200 Um from Lawn Order Spew is selling his haunted house. Uh. 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.879 He bought it a few years ago. It originally belonged 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.640 to Ozzie and Harriet Nelson Um and also was used 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.720 as Ari Gold's house in Entourage. It's a very beautiful house, 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.040 so I was immediately quite taken by the taste of 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:58.640 the ghost who lives inside. Yes, yes, super trad It's 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.120 it's in the Hollywood Else kind of like Hollywood Hells 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.680 West um, and it it has like, yeah, like kind 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:08.600 of the nineteen forties or whatever, cape Coddish exterior. But 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:13.159 every person who's lived there since Azzie and Harriet have 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.040 claimed it's been haunted. And I think the same realtor 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.240 has handled every sale of this house and he's kind 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:23.160 of capitalizing on the reputation, which I honestly can't understand 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.119 because right now, at this moment in time, seems like 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.400 a time when even adventurous buyers who might think like, oh, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.159 I'm you know, I don't mind a haunted house, Like 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.960 I'll just prove how brave I am. It's like, I 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.040 don't really see that happening now. Um, But it is 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:42.120 for sale. But apparently the people who have lived there 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:46.080 have complained that there's a model train that was Aussie's 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:49.440 train in what's called I think the pub room, which 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.159 I and I don't really know what that means. I 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:52.919 guess there's like a bar in this house with a 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.480 model train, which is creepy enough. But the model train 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.080 will run in the middle of the night and you'll 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:00.680 hear it your sheets fly off in the night. Um. 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:03.080 I think I read in one article, because I read 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:07.080 like about a thousand on this that Auzzy his greatest 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.800 vice was eating a ton of ice cream. And so 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.440 one one of the residents who lived there and moved 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:15.119 on said that there would be like open like as 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:16.840 if he were looking for ice cream in the middle 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.919 of the night. The ghost of Azzi. Um, and also 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:22.720 there was a family who lived there, and they would 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:26.679 hear like voices of other children from outside being like 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.400 come play, come play, But they were ghost children, so 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:34.800 they weren't real. Um. Separately, though, the New York Times 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:39.200 had reported that there were people who were quarantining in houses, 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:42.440 and then after quarantining in these houses either rental properties 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.520 or vacation homes or whatever, uh, they were complaining that 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:49.480 they were newly haunted. So one man said that his 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.480 window shades kept fluttering even though the window was closed 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.640 and there were no critters around. A couple in Massachusetts 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:59.560 described seeing a kitchen apparition, I quote, a white man 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.240 in his fifty is wearing a well worn World War 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.879 two era military uniform and caps, sitting at the table. 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.000 So the New York Times got ahold of a paranormal 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:14.080 researcher who said that the jump in haunting reports UM 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.360 and also I guess some UFO reports. He said, Oh 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.840 I I remember I saw this in during Y two 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:23.280 K and it's a reflection of you know, just like 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.919 the heightened anxiety. But I mean it makes sense that 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.600 it would be even more prevalent now because we're all 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.399 trapped in our houses that our houses our entire world. 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.320 So it's like any kind of anxiety you have about 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.960 the outside world kind of creeps in and manifests with 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:41.959 these visions and fascinating. It's like, I know, were they 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:44.760 all rental houses in the New York Times article? Or 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.080 I think one of them may have belonged to the 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.200 person It was just a house upstate. And then the 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.720 couple who saw the World War two guy, I think 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.480 that was an airbnb because I was just I was 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:58.399 just thinking, like, I feel like I've experienced this a 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.720 little bit, even though I moved the very beginning of lockdown. 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:05.399 Just the amount of time you spend at home makes 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.480 you so much more tuned to I feel like every 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.360 single vibration and creek and sound in your house. I've 0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:15.679 definitely had nights where I'm trying to get to sleep 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.440 and I hear something in in out in the living room, 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:21.640 and I suddenly start to go into panic, like home 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:25.600 invasion mode, and it's just like it's like it's like 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.720 you've been in a in like a sealed environment, and 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.840 so you're you're so much more sensitized to everything. It's 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:35.280 like it feels like that kind of effect where that's 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.119 absolutely and and the the kind of ambient sounds have 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.360 changed so much because there's less traffic, there's less air traffic, 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:45.200 so everything is is heightened, like the quiet noises that 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.800 were drowned out before seemed louder. But yeah, also just 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.280 I think, you know, inhabiting your house as if it 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:54.960 were a whole universe. At this point, talk about why 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.680 the Aussie and Harriet house might be haunted. Generally though, 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:01.240 it's because he died Aussie died in the house. No, 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.880 it's because Ricky Nelson died in a plane crash tragically, 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:08.359 their son. But he wasn't they it's the ghost of 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.440 Azzie is the one that they claim as what I'm 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:18.359 learning is that apparently Azzie was a dictatorial personality who 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:21.359 robbed his sons of their childhood by making them go 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:25.520 into show business. Well, I mean, the whole family was 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.879 I cannot imagine. They were like basically the first reality 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:33.159 TV family, right because it wasn't really reality TV, but 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:36.879 well there was a whole inviting them into our living room. 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:41.280 And Ricky Nelson also had a kid and then had 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.680 to have a shotgun wedding because he knocked up a 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.080 girlfriend and they were like, let's pretend they've already gotten 0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:51.639 married and the babies being born prematurely. Now, well, I 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:53.719 don't know if it was the same grandchild, but one 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.199 of Ozzie and Harriett's grandchildren comments on articles about the 0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:00.360 house um, and she says that when she would play 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.200 there as a child, that she felt that it was haunted, 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.560 and that like everyone in their family knows that house 0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:09.880 is haunted and has witnessed it haunted by show business. 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:15.840 It is the ghosts of show Um. There's one less 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:19.560 scary thing related to quarantine but not ghosts, that I 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.600 wanted to make you guys talk about, which is um 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:27.360 the robotic dog Spot, who is known for being terrifying, 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:29.399 looking like he looks like he's from Black Mirror. He 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:34.960 has no head but robotic legs like why not put out? Yes, 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.040 we've talked about Spot before. It's the exact same one. 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:43.480 So he's being used in Singapore now to enforce social distancing. 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.960 So Um, he's remote controlled, but they want him to 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.720 be fully automated at some point and he roams around 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.120 he or she. I guess she had a female voice 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:54.080 in the Al Jazeera video that I watched, but I 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:58.120 think of him as a boy dog. They okay, so 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:02.600 Spot they wanders around parks and and admonishes people like 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.280 he's like a narc. He's like stern more. You know, 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:08.480 you need to leave six feet and stuff. There's something 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:11.760 about Spot that on They can't knock you over, or 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:14.439 can they? I don't think. I don't think Spot is 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.320 currently allowed to knock you over, But I'm saying the 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:21.680 capability like stalking people in the park though it's I 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:25.480 I find I find the slow creep so much more 0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:29.480 unsettling than a full on chase. It's like, I mean, 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.879 I know that's why like twenty eight Days Later felt 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:36.600 different because the zombies ran, but the zombies who walk, 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:40.160 so it's still scary and and this has a very 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:42.400 slow zombie feel to it. It's just sort of like 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.160 trotting along after people in the park. Very and the 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.960 fact that doesn't have a head. Why don't you have 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.680 a head? It just seems like so stupid to me. 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.560 It's like you go to all this trouble to make like, 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:57.400 you know, to anthropomorphize your your narc robot, but you 0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.640 forget to put eyes or a head or a face 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.080 on it. Like I think they're not really trying to 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.280 entropomorphize it. I think that the way that the legs 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:07.560 are are just like a way to make it the 0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.920 most stable, Like it's just kind of taking it's from 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.560 the engineering of It looks like a coffee table that 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.400 can run. To me, it looks like like Linda Hamilton 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:21.240 and The Exorcist and she's like going down the stairs. 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:23.960 What about a fight club where we just take baseball 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.640 bats to those things? Well, no, no, This is the 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.680 thing that's the most upsetting is have you seen the 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:31.760 videos of people beating up and kicking those busts and 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:38.920 robotics robots. It's really scary because it makes you just think, oh, 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:42.040 when they get smart enough, they're going to fucking murder us. 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:47.280 It's so awful to them. I would like to just 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:49.760 have a fight club against the scooters because I know 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:54.720 we are no man, they're back. As of a few 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.760 days ago. They're fucking back, Mom, Yes they are. Uh huh. 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.880 I have clocked to scooters on my street. The other day, 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.800 I was driving around just to drive around, not to 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.120 go anywhere, say for at home, but I was driving 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.480 around and I saw like lines and lines of scooters 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.800 and I was like I d bring them. Yeah, they've 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:15.800 never gone away from you. Were talking on the bonus 0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:21.240 episode about which of the Batman Row Gallery villains the 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.000 three of us are, and Emily said that I was 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.960 Harley Quinn, which I was like, no, no, because I 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.040 have red hair, must be poison ivy. But then thinking 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:29.880 about how much I want to use a baseball bat 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:33.200 to hit whever. You're truly and I mean that is 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.280 a great compliment. I think you fixate sometimes too much 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:38.520 on your ginger nous as you're defining trait, but you 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.840 have so much more to offer, Molly. You can sing 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.479 your baseball bat and destroy all sorts of things, right, 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:49.200 chaotic good um. But also Emily felt strongly test that 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:52.720 you were poison ivy because I grow a lot of 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.960 growing like crazy you guys I've been. I didn't argue 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.240 with that. For my husband's birthday, I like kind of 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.040 did like a mine trick to get him to agree 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.800 to have me buy him trees. I was like, what 0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:12.040 you want trees? So he's getting trees that poison it is. 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.240 But I also was like, we have at this point, 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.320 we have like too many because I also go to 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.840 these like tree adoption events. Um. That they have like 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:20.720 once or twice a year in my neighborhood, and I 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:24.280 just adopt. What if you can like train train some 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.959 vines to curl around the scooters so they can't be 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:31.480 used to real quick poison ivy thing. Did you guys 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:34.040 know you're supposed to shake You're supposed to gently shake 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.840 your trees. No, I don't know what anything about trees. 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:40.040 I want to know everything. If you gently shake a tree, 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.520 it doesn't have to be your tree, but it makes 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.520 the trunk stronger because it thinks that it's wind, so 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:51.440 it adopts by making a stronger trunk. But that well, 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.000 if you have trees inside, it wouldn't. And also we're 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.360 now having some breezy times. But you can you can 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.320 do it as long as you kind of condition them. 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.040 You can use some force like mine seems stressed. I've 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.960 been shaking them a lot. I definitely think that just 0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:06.920 being around trees. And maybe this is also because I've 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:10.200 been playing Final Fantasy seven, as our bonus up was about, 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:14.280 but I do feel like I need the life force 0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:20.480 of plants in order to like sustain myself. A horrible 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.800 mood yesterday and I was just like super pent up 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:24.880 and yeah, my boyfriend was like, why don't you just 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.760 go for a walk like down the street, And just 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:29.960 like as soon as I went outside and saw like 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.840 one plant, I was like, oh life, it is a 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.760 live I forced myself to take like an hour long 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.280 walk every day, even when I really don't want to, 0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.800 because there are some wonderful flowers and trees and stuff 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.040 in my neighborhood and if I just like immerse myself 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.160 in them for a while, it does need a lot 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.880 of good. Do you guys know about forest bathing? Oh? Yeah, 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.960 we talked about We've talked about it. Yeah. I feel 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:59.800 like forest bathing and self grandparenting have become one in 0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:02.720 the same. That's true. We're going to take a quick 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.720 break and when we come back, let me get back 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:21.720 into Y two K. Welcome back tonight call. So we're 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.760 in the middle of Y to May, and we still 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:30.960 haven't really talked that much about why two K itself, 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:35.160 or the year two thousand problem as it is I 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.960 think properly known, and I kind of spent the last 0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.960 couple of weeks digging into it and trying to learn 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:46.160 things that I did not know. I didn't know about 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:50.320 Y two K because as as we've discussed, we're all 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.800 like teens and not really in charge of things, and 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.040 maybe not the person in the house or at the 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.600 school who needs to worry about things being hy two 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.880 K compliant. But this was like a big thing for 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.040 several years. It was a big marketing thing. It was 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:11.200 kind of many feel, a big con that was pulled 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.200 on the public to make a buck. So, yeah, I 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.720 wanted to talk about the Y two K not bug 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.839 because it wasn't a bug. It turns out it was 0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:25.480 just a piece of engineering that was not a mistake. Uh, 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.360 because I guess that's what a bug is technically. Um yeah, 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:34.480 I learned there's another one coming up apparently one. Yeah, 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:38.400 there's a problem as well in computing like this is 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.120 where our background and being hot and catch fire enthusiasts 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:46.680 really comes to serve thing. It's a similar thing. It's 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:52.160 like computers, like older computers just weren't aren't prepared to 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:57.360 handle the number because of Roman numerals or something very 0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.920 simple seeming. I couldn't follow why thirty eight was it 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.600 like I I can, I can grasp why that your 0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:07.600 two thousand was a trouble spot, But don't either it's 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:11.880 like some something. Yeah, it's just the highest number you 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.800 could program two or something. If you are a computer 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:18.360 expert who understands this, please give us a night call. 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:26.160 If you're a computer experiencing, if you're a watchdog robot, um, 0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.359 please give us a call, give us a text. Um. 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:32.840 So I spent the last week or so doing a 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.400 little bit of a speedlessen of Surviving Y two K, 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:39.600 which was a mini series podcast by damp To Birski, 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:41.920 who was the guy who did the Richard Simmons podcast, 0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:43.360 which I didn't listen to, and I know a lot 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.320 of people said it was very exploititive. I didn't. I 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.240 didn't get into it because it didn't sound like my 0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:54.279 my my bag necessarily. But he did this one as 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:59.480 a follow up with topic, and I really dug it. 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.919 I thought it was really lovely. But and it's kind 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.960 of most of it doesn't have that much to do 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:11.799 with the Y two K problem itself, but um, it's 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.000 sort of book ended by him talking to these programmers 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.480 who were sort of there and started to recognize that 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.720 there was there was an issue. And the thing about 0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:22.799 Y two K is that and I think this makes 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:26.480 it feel very relevant to talk about now is that 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:28.960 it was a problem, and it was something that was 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.160 recognized kind of in the mid eighties, mid to late 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:36.800 eighties UM. First with people's mortgages and stuff. UM. Some 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:40.480 some like I think some expiration dates on canned meats 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:44.040 started getting rejected because people thought that the meat was 0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.439 like eighty eight years old or something UM, or the 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.239 expiration date was like an eighty eight years or something UM. 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:59.200 And it did kind of get resolved by about there's 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.399 an article we can link to in the Guardian UM. 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:06.200 But by the New York Stock Exchange had completed a 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.880 seven year project to correct all its system at a 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.920 cost of thirty million dollars, and a lot a lot 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.160 of them hadn't yet, but like the big ones that 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.560 we're going to cause problems with people's credits and loans 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:18.520 and stuff in the banking system and stuff like that, 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:20.920 which you know, we've we've talked at length on this 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.360 podcast about whether all that work was necessarily worth it. 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:30.440 But that was largely already figured out by the time 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:36.279 the greater public knew about Y two K. By the 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:40.920 time the idea of why two K had entered popular discourse, 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:45.279 and so the people who were kind of sounding. The 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:50.440 warning bell ended up looking kind of silly in hindsight, 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.239 but it is this sort of um as, as Diversity 0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:56.400 points out on the podcast, is sort of this idea 0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:00.480 of the profits dilemma, where it's like, if you say 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.440 that there's a problem and you get people to fix it, 0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.719 then the problem doesn't happen, and then you look like 0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:10.080 somebody who was you know, running around like it's a 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:13.680 chicken with your head cut off because nothing ended up happening, Like, 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:17.279 as we know, nothing really went haywire on Y two K. 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.840 So I just thought like that, thinking about that it 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:24.200 was super interesting and learning that it actually was potentially 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.759 a big problem, like it could have been the thing 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:28.360 that everybody was afraid of. It was just by the 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:30.520 time we heard about it, it was fixed for the 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:34.240 most part. I mean, I I feel as though living 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.880 being in a time when we're having an actually like 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:42.520 extremely horrible disaster play out that was totally not predicted 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:46.400 at all has kind of shaped my my perception of 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.200 Y two K a little bit, because, I mean, this 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.239 is all fascinating and it's weird how you can have 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.360 a memory of how Y two K played out and 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:57.440 a vague recollection of what the fear was. But because 0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:01.000 nothing actually because it was fixed in advance of playing out, 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.400 it's so vague now, and like you were scared, Like 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:06.800 I was really scared, as I mentioned about my emails, 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.120 but my you know, instant messenger, like that was kind 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.120 of the extent of it for me because I was 0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.239 a kid. But my dad was super freaked out. And 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.239 I mean, I think it was also the kind of 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.440 thing where when people started started to really conjecture, and 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:25.879 when those pieces started to gain steam, where people were saying, like, oh, well, 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.440 here's a worst case scenario, someone could come up with 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.600 a new worst case scenario, and eventually you could probably 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.799 find people who actually believe that our country's entire infrastructure 0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:37.799 was going to crumble because of this computer. But especially now, 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:43.000 if you think about what conspiracy five G Twitter, what 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:46.080 I've done with something like why two k oh, yeah, well, 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:48.200 I mean it was it was already out there. I mean, 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.239 this is the environment in which Alex Jones started his 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.799 radio show. Like that's that's a kind of a through 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:58.000 line of the podcast. It's just that that alternative radio 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:00.960 was really starting to become a big thing around the 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.439 turn of the millennium and and you know, panic about 0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:06.799 this and then prepping and all that really started to 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:10.680 become it's not a mainstream concerned at least something that 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.640 more people have thought about and encountered, because there was 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.160 all this millennialism of like, you know, the new World, 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:19.880 but then that stuff didn't happen on two thousand, but 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:24.239 that it did happen like a little bit after that. Yeah, 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.560 but I've been hearing a lot about how actually preppers 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:31.400 are really unhappy now and a lot of the people 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.719 leading the like let us go back to the hairdresser, 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.560 the right wing, let us go back to work protests 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:41.040 or being not leading because they're actually like funded by corporation. 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:44.080 But the people participating in them are the people you 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.160 would have thought would have been like stoked for the 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:52.600 prepper moment to come. But in their prepper fantasy, basically 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:54.239 they thought it was going to be just like a 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:57.680 lawless that it was gonna be mad Max. Talk to 0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.040 me about at Max, and they were going to get 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:00.919 to shoot and kill a lot people and they would 0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:02.719 be in charge. And the fact that it's like an 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:07.120 invisible enemy that they can't shoot a gun at is 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:12.080 like they're like Okay, enough of eating beans. They actually 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.520 want to do this. There's like a couple of characters 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:17.239 in the podcasts that are um are this couple in 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.880 San Diego, These like total hippie you know, libertarian hippie 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:25.160 types who are preppers completely from a like a left 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:30.400 leftist side of things, and this is Prepper podcast. Yeah, 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:35.400 and they're very adorable and uh and and they are 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:37.440 you know, in ways we've talked about. I think a 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.320 lot on this podcast, like the idea of being a 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.360 prepper is sort of wrapped up in there somewhere is 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:45.080 the idea that you're looking forward to the end, whatever 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:49.160 the end is, because there's some kind of opportunity in there, 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.719 whether it's just to be able to like live out 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.480 the purge and do whatever you want. But like for them, 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:56.600 it's like, oh, we can start over. We can have 0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:00.040 like a world where we're not on this grid in 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:01.960 a part of this credit system and everything. You know, 0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:04.359 I'll fight club type ship. Like they're they're just like 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:07.200 really stoked for that. And she seemed really sweet and 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:11.240 like started a whole survivalist school that like Navy seals 0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:14.200 were going to and stuff. I mean, I think a 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.680 lot of us also do have that fantasy on the 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:20.560 commune side, which is like you know, twin to not 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:22.759 test us to shaking her head, no she doesn't like. 0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:28.000 But I mean you live and you live with a family, 0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:30.400 You live in an environment where like everyone has to 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:33.320 work together and like do things together as a unit, 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:38.799 and you like tell kids that, Molly. But yeah, I 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:42.480 think that is like the to me, the positive inverse 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.560 of preppers, which are very into like just me against 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.160 the world and my family and maybe my neighbors who 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:53.080 have more guns. Yeah, there's something I think that It 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.000 was very It's it's very unusual to hear prepper types 0:42:56.040 --> 0:43:01.319 talking about this idea of it's not it's self sufficience 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:03.520 and that like yes, I can like now they still 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.560 teach from survival schools and it's sort of it's a 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:09.319 nonprofit and it's it's kind of as a form of 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:13.160 therapy to help people, um, you know, like troubled youths 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.560 and stuff, be able to feel like the sense of 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.279 self sufficience if they can they feel like they can 0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.640 survive in the wild, like they're they're still doing this stuff. Um, 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:25.160 but it's not this thing of like I'm a lone 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.200 wolf fuck everybody else. I'm out for myself. It's this 0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:30.120 idea of like, no, I want to be like a 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.000 part of the world. I want to be in tune 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.279 with the world and what's going on with it and UM, 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.440 which just feels like a very different direction to come 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:42.520 at it from UM on on the on the kind 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:46.239 of relevant to today's side of things too. It's really 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.520 funny if you go through if you go to Cora, 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:52.759 there is a page on Cora for who who solved 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:56.960 Y two K And it's really fascinating because like the 0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:01.840 answer is that all these people, just every I T 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:05.359 person at every company and in you know, in every 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:08.839 school system and stuff, had to just go in and 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:12.200 buy a hand and stall patches onto everything. It wasn't 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:14.440 a big deal. I was just laborious, but everybody had 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:18.279 to do it. And like thinking about that kind of 0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:23.799 global cooperation to stave off an oncoming problem and how 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:27.319 little fanfare there is about that. Now nobody knows about that, 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:31.920 but all these people did that. UM is like kind 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:38.640 it's both inspiring and totally depressing. Oh absolutely. I know 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.040 it's weird though too, because I I think I was 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:45.160 just reading an article about a college student who was 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:50.120 working on UM like security patches for website. Like I mean, 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.520 it's still it's amazing how many people are always kind 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.840 of working for the greater good and like coding capacities 0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.960 or I T capacities, And it's just I think maybe 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.640 because that kind of stuff can be so dense, or 0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:04.879 there's like an element of that kind of work that's 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.000 so hard for the average person to wrap their mind, 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:10.480 Like I certainly can't understand half and when it starts 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.200 to go real deep into like the coding and the 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:15.440 patching and the work it takes, I'm like, I don't 0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:19.960 know what it is, Like I can't really conceptualize it UM. 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:21.920 And so maybe that's why it's just like not a 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:25.200 glamorous thing to talk about how important that work is 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:27.319 and how important that work was that it saved us 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:30.919 from whatever would happened if Y two K had played out. Yeah, 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.279 because it's from this era. Also, I feel like it's 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.600 very tied up with this era where nobody knew how 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:40.520 to like show computer business on screen and movies, so 0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:43.399 we didn't know how to valorize it or like how 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:47.000 to even make a narrative out of it UM until 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:51.279 the Matrix basically even then, did nerds have all the 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:56.120 money yet no, they pre nerds takeover and this was 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.200 I remember like we I mean in a self deprecating way, 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.759 like being people. Well, I think I assume all of 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:04.040 us were on the internet more than like we had 0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:07.680 admitted to our friends back in the whatever like nineties 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:09.919 and early odds. But it's funny because like we Molly 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:11.160 and I would call it like we'd be like, oh, 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.440 we should get on the nerd phone. But like I 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:16.680 truly believed that there was nothing less cool than the 0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:19.200 amount of time I spent on the computer, which was 0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:22.840 probably like one one thousand of the time I currently 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.120 spend on the computer. That I'm like, well, that's normal, 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.600 That's that's life, right, you know. I think being forced 0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:33.600 into uh quarantine has made a lot of people be like, oh, 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.600 I'll just like turn it on. There's no if there's 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:41.200 no limitations in place for your screen time of activities 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.239 or things you have to go do, then yeah, well 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.080 it's also that everything else is off the table. Everything 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.600 else is off the table. It just feels like you 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.799 you reach a wall so fast in screens you know 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.040 where it's like the thing of like, oh I can 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.400 eat all this candy for dinner and then you're like, 0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.920 now I feel sick and bad. It's like not candy, 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:06.600 it's like it's like sugar free, uh, like sweet tarts 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:12.280 or something. It's like tab. It's drinking tab. Yeah, getting 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.799 a naspar team headache, like I gotta go out and 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:20.280 just guzzled at Chlorophyll've going outside a lot, but it's 0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:23.719 since the mandatory mass anytime you're outside your house thing, 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:26.480 which I which I feel is a response to people 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.120 who were just really irresponsible about it. I mean, I 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.880 went for a walk a couple like maybe a week ago, 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:35.440 and there were so many people without MASS, which I 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:38.280 was fine with because they were just walking or running, 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.799 but they just wouldn't stay away from other people. And 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:42.520 I was like, all right, it's over. You know, we're 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:44.200 going to have to wear a mask. And I think 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:47.200 it's it's just it's it's hard because I can do 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:51.280 it and it's fine, but I cannot. I physically cannot 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.800 make my children wear MASS. And I know I have 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.279 a lot of friends who are neurodivergent or their kids 0:47:56.320 --> 0:48:00.480 are nerro divergent. It's really difficult to wear a mask 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.520 if you have sensory problems or whatever. So it's just 0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:06.520 for so many people, even going outside is now like 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:11.319 a very fraud process. And and I I'm so over 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.520 the screens. I've really reached my limit. But at the 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.719 same time, it's like, I just you know, everything is 0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:25.719 so fraught when you invent Calvinball. Yeah. Um. One other 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.480 thing I linked to you guys to on the on 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:34.960 our show notes, uh, was this website created by At 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:39.160 first it was an anonymous creator who was later later 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:44.040 revealed himself to be Robert blah Blah. Yes, I can't 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:49.000 deal this is Bob blah Blah had a y t 0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:54.920 K blog. Uh. He was like, he's also in this podcast, 0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:57.759 but he was this um. He was sort of like 0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:01.360 an anti scare monk. Heer about why two K He 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:04.399 was like trying to get because because Canada, I guess, 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:07.520 was spending gobs and gobs of money on there, like 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:10.799 Y two K operations. He was a programmer for the 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:13.560 Canadian government and soon his entire like job had been 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.560 completely circumvented into Y two K prep and he thought 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:18.839 it was really silly. So he was like, he had 0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:23.640 this anonymous blog on angel Fire, which is still up. Um. 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.759 An archived. It's not even archives. It's just there. It's 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:29.680 not you don't have to go to to uh the 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:34.319 Internet archives. But and it's incredible because it has all 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:36.880 these emails, both from people who agree with them and 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:40.000 people who are like furious at him for trying to 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:44.239 say that why two K isn't happening, And it's just 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:49.240 this incredible time capsule. But I think like there's basically 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:54.760 this whole thing where he's really reacting to this guy, Um, 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:57.719 Dave Eddie, who was sort of the main one of 0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.800 these main people who came out claiming there's this problem, 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.279 this this y t K problem and then offering the 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:07.279 solution like the classic con And so they were kind 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:11.120 of in this like battle against each other via the Internet. 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:16.680 It was like a very early angel fire fueled Internet 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:21.480 battle between these two nerds. Whether um yeah, but I 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:25.040 would really recommend going to this website and just sorting 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:28.120 through all the emails, um they I think they go 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:33.160 from nine seven to nine um, and just seeing what 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.759 people say like uh like such. I'm just like on 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:40.480 the January, Um, you are not God. You do not 0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:44.720 know what's going to happen. But I appreciate your opinions. Yeah, 0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:48.200 it just fed into people's millennialism so much. It was 0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:50.120 like there were a lot of people who thought something 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:52.840 was going to happen in the year two thousand and 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:56.080 then the fact that there was something that might happen 0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:00.920 was something to latch onto as a sign that, you know, 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.880 Beau Jesus would come back or something. Maybe that's what 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:07.439 why two K was the idea. You know, it's all 0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.760 these made up numbers because at one point we decided 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:14.520 to just started counting revolutions around the sun. But still 0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:18.920 people just kind of put so much. It's it's really 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:23.200 interesting how much humans even now in a time it 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.960 feels so unmistical because it's just like two thousand years 0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:32.040 after the apocryphal birth of Christ, right or death after 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:35.560 the death? Isn't it funny? Sometimes I say things authoritatively 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.080 like I'm like, I know that, and then I'm like, 0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:39.800 that's what a podcast is for. It is the birth, 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.000 though I will I will correct you and say it's 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:45.160 the birth. But but isn't it it doesn't ad a 0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.400 D not stand for after death. You know, it's on 0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:54.000 a dominate by the way, we're gonna put this obviously 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.200 in the in the show notes. But if you want 0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:59.160 to look at this why two K blog, it is amazing. 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.920 It's angel fired dot com. Forward slash, oh h forward 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:04.839 slash just a number just so that you can just 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:06.640 do it right now, because I know you're sitting at 0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:10.480 your device. It's just a number, but it is. It's 0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:14.120 I find this aesthetic so beautiful, the angel Fire. Yeah, 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.200 that's why we talked about Molly Soda before being a 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:20.640 yea artist who works with the angel Fire aesthetics sometimes. 0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:25.080 But I love it. It really feels like the Internet 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:27.759 where still anything could happen, which I guess is why 0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:30.440 everybody thought that the Internet could just like melt down 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.719 the whole world because it felt new and magical. On 0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:41.319 bob blah blaws blog, it does say that. It says PostScript, 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:46.120 this website was frozen on December as a permanent document 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:48.719 on how all of us acted and reacted to the 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:53.239 Y two K myth from But Emily, you're you're right 0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:55.319 when you point out it was not a myth, like 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.400 it was something real that was going It was pre emptive. 0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.200 He's saying. The myth was that it yeah, and then 0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:04.800 that date that it was still like nothing had been resolved, 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.240 and that like nobody knew it was going to happen 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:11.000 like that. Shocking that they only reported on the disaster 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:17.840 mongering mongering part and not the quietly responsibly fixing things. Um, Emily, 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:21.239 you asked us to go find like a t K 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:24.400 artifact to watch, so I obviously just typed y t 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:28.279 K into YouTube to see what would happen. And I 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:30.960 found out that it was really hard to find actual stuff. 0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:34.920 Because there is a rapper named Y two K. Is 0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:38.720 he or she good? I didn't listen to their music. 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:43.040 They looked kind of in the post malon category. I'm 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:47.000 gonna say the name is K not the postmlon's rapper, 0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:49.480 but you hear what I'm saying. Maybe a white guy 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:54.399 with face tattoos, I think. Um. But I also found 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:56.239 a video that was like how to do the Y 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:58.640 two K aesthetic that was like this girl had made 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:04.000 that was just um copying art basically like art in 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:07.960 bubble frames of like here's how you dress, here's what 0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:10.480 you listen to. And it was a lot of like 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:16.520 we were talking about, sort of like shiny, sparkly vinyl fabrics, 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:21.000 things like that. Um, which is what I think zoomers 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.960 think of the Y two K aesthetic as being there's 0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:26.520 also like a good Y two K filter on Instagram 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:31.640 that is very that. But I I just a search 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:33.640 for Y t K on the Instagram filters and one 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:36.440 came up, and it's like, I'll post it so you 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:38.360 guys can post it to it gives you a couple 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:40.799 of options, but they're they're both very like j Lo 0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:46.600 Year two thousand style, like sparkly ear rings and like 0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:52.839 shiny sunglasses, glower shots or something or just like very 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:56.240 like like Total Request Live, just like like glossy pop 0:54:56.320 --> 0:55:00.439 video aesthetic. UM. And I also watched a Sports Center 0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:05.359 commercial that was apparently very famous UM that I did 0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:08.960 not really remember except maybe in some ancient way. UM. 0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:10.880 But it was a commercial for Sports Center about Y 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:13.839 two K that's like Y t K happens like they're 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:15.799 they're running test runs for Y two K at the 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:18.359 Sports Center office. And it was just one of those 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:20.040 ads about like how fun it is to work at 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:22.640 Sports Center, like all the Sports Center ads, but this 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:26.040 one is like chaos just rains in the Sports Center office. 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:28.960 It's like they start breaking down and they show like 0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:32.600 two of the broadcasters doing like the the Sports Center 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:35.080 by Candle Light, and then there's a guy who you're 0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.680 supposed to recognize from ESPN who's like, come with me 0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:41.799 if you want to live. At the end, I I 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:45.640 admire your your relentless pursuit and making the sports Call 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:49.560 segment happened. Regardless of the topics that were, it reminded 0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:51.319 me of all those Sports Center ads that I had 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.040 totally just forgotten about them all, Like they were normally 0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:56.719 just about how zeny the Sports Center office was, and 0:55:56.719 --> 0:55:59.759 then this one was like it's zany and also like 0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:04.000 the apocalypse is happening here. I've never seen any of 0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:07.439 those ads until I worked in Grantland and then like 0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:10.160 when people were asking about like what's the office, Like 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:12.879 I didn't realize that's where people got the idea it's 0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:18.440 really super fun. End. But um, now we are running 0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:23.000 the Y two K drill, so we will we do? 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:27.360 We are doing this podcast by candle Light in a way, 0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:33.799 you know, like it is pioneer time. Yeah, but I 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:36.360 was like, how you know you you do work around 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:40.640 a catastrophe to try and keep keep some of the 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:44.239 the pod trains coming. M H. The thing that I 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:46.920 found when I was looking into Y two k artifacts 0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:49.160 is something I talked about all the time on this podcast, 0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:54.680 which is Siphil and Ali, which ran from UM. But 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:57.720 as I was just I watched just all the clips 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.319 that were on YouTube because nothing brings me more joy 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:03.680 honestly than than watching the socks um. But it also 0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:07.560 made me think. I was like, somebody needs to just 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:10.919 start doing basically simple and Ali right now, like all 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.719 of the content that's kind of being creating. I mean, look, 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:15.920 a lot of people aren't able to create content right now. 0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:18.680 I every night I'm like I should write something. It's 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:23.760 like I just don't because I'm stressed. But I was like, man, 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:26.840 somebody should really maybe not do like an exact civil 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:29.480 and Ali thing, But that's like kind of the best 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:34.920 quarantine art would be either puppetry actually yeah, because I'm like, 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:38.440 animating is hard. I've seen late forever. I mean, I 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:41.680 think TikTok is the frontier at this point for things 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:43.600 like that, and I've seen it. I just don't watch. 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:46.680 I mean, it's like you see them, you see them aggregated. 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:48.400 Back on Twitter, there was a girl who went by 0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:51.040 for doing like a fake Wes Anderson movie this week. 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:55.000 But stuff like that where that stuff is she's great. Yeah, 0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:58.640 like guest stars, she's done show Girls. There's this girl 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:00.920 Marris Jones. I'm obsessed to I who did this thing 0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:02.960 that was like the history of the Beatles where she 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.720 did all of the Beatles and like just perfectly got 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:11.000 all of their mannerisms in different years. That's amazing. Yeah, 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:13.920 made me wish I had my twee videos I made 0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:19.680 in college. But also people doing like even less production 0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:22.720 anyones that are just really incredibly edited where they play 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:25.280 all the characters. That to me has been like the 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:29.480 art form of that. These people doing those videos where 0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:32.960 it's like one guy doing everything, which people were doing 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:36.880 before this, but now it's just like sort of how 0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:39.680 much how much people can get out of just like 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:43.080 very few props and like no setup. Is really impressive 0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:46.080 to me. But don't you sometimes get sick of seeing 0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:50.120 like the human face on the computer screen? You know 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:53.640 what I like, isn't there? I have been I'm trying 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:55.840 to look up her name. You want to put like 0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:58.200 you want to real sock. I know if I need 0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:01.200 a sock puppet, I need the ability for someone to 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:04.800 convince me that there's like multiple people in a room 0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:08.240 when in fact, there's one. I promise we'll do a 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.040 live stream sometime where you can be a sock the 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:16.360 whole time. No. Look, but actually, now that you're talking 0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:18.840 about this, we've come full circle. We were talking about 0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:22.120 like monetizing feet, and now we're talking about monetizing socks, 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:25.600 and maybe this is like a zeitgeistie thing right now. 0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:30.160 Look down, you have looked down. That was my one 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:33.960 thought that I had on one particularly theater nerdy day 0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:35.880 or it was like, what if I could do all 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:39.920 of lightness by myself? Emily, you should, That's what I'm saying. 0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:42.600 Become the TikTok teens we want to see in the world. 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:45.160 I know. I was just like, how does any how 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:47.680 does any young person have the sort of confidence? Because 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:50.400 I started and then I was just like, oh no, 0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:52.960 I can't look at my face for this long. Well 0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:56.600 performing as someone who has not really performed into a 0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:59.000 computer screen, but who may or may not be married 0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:03.240 to someone who had you like act into the zoom uh, 1:00:03.360 --> 1:00:06.560 it was like an out of horrible, out of body experience. 1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:09.040 I mean, when we're podcasting, we're like staring at it. 1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:12.200 We're just basically frescasting a conversation. But like when you 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:16.840 have to like commit to a role, maybe a dramatic one, 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:19.960 and you're staring at the light and you're you're acting 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:22.280 into the I mean I could. It's so different than 1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:26.000 a camera regular camera's In this Roger Rabbit special I watched, 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:28.160 it had all this footage I had never seen before 1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:33.320 of Bob Hoskins just acting against nothing. But also he 1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:36.320 acted against the guy who does the voice of Roger 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:39.600 Rabbit because that guy insisted on being on set every time, 1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:45.440 um to do the voice live, which is not traditional Zodiac. 1:00:45.520 --> 1:00:48.480 He's very good at being scary um. But just yeah, 1:00:48.520 --> 1:00:51.400 all this stuff of like people acting against nothing, which 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:54.320 is how so many movies are made now. It is 1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:57.120 a skill. It is a skill, but it's like at 1:00:57.200 --> 1:00:59.520 least I don't know, at least if there's someone else 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:02.000 in the room whom you could just be taught, like 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:03.960 you're looking at a face, like you could look at 1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:06.040 the director or whatever. Again, this is like our only 1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:12.280 fans will just be a continental you know, just like welcome, Oh, 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:15.560 why won't you come sit down if you would like 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:20.920 a nightcall only fans that's just start not even say 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:24.439 those words together, just kidding. If you have thoughts about 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:26.880 why two K as we continuere like, you're the one 1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:29.000 who asked how much? I mean, let's see what the 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:31.360 market is saying. You know, I think I asked how much. 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:34.440 I'm just I'm just need a spitball and I'm not 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:37.360 committed to anything. Um. If you have thoughts on y 1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:39.400 t K, please give us a night call it one 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:41.400 to four or four six night where you can also 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:44.160 email us at Nightcall Podcast at gmail dot com. We've 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:47.000 really enjoyed taking your calls and emails and we have 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:50.360 a couple lined up from for next week and we 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:55.160 want more, so send them. We're also on Patreon at 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:57.880 patreon dot com slash night Call. We just put up 1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:01.520 a new bonus episode about Final Fantasy seven. Molly and 1:02:01.560 --> 1:02:06.280 I are big time gamers just talking shop, so check 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:10.040 that out. 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