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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with

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Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.

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Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. By you, guys, welcome to

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Speaker 2: Dirty Rush, the show all about the wild, scandalous, and

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Speaker 2: sometimes messy world of sorority rush and sisterhood. Whether you're

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Speaker 2: about to rush, whether you're reminiscing about your own rush,

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Speaker 2: or just fascinated by Greek life, this podcast is for you.

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Speaker 3: We're here to pull back the curtain on what it

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Speaker 3: really means to go through recruitment, from the outfits and

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Speaker 3: parties to the pressure and drama and everything in between.

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Speaker 3: But we're not going to stop there. We'll also dive

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Speaker 3: into what sorority life looks like after rush, the friendships,

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Speaker 3: the challenges, the traditions, and how sisterhood evolves throughout college

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Speaker 3: and even beyond graduation.

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Speaker 1: And best of all, you're finally going to hear the

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Speaker 1: truth behind everything that goes into sorority rush. And we're

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Speaker 1: basically going to tell you everything that you guys have

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Speaker 1: wanted to hear in more, there's always a taboo to

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Speaker 1: what you can release about sorority rush, and we're ready

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Speaker 1: to tell it all.

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Speaker 2: So We're gonna share personal stories, debunk myths, and offer

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Speaker 2: tips to help you survive and maybe even thrive during

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Speaker 2: rush and the years that follow.

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Speaker 1: We're so excited to dive into our first episode today.

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Speaker 1: We're keeping it personal and real, sharing our own rush

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Speaker 1: stories and what sorority life has meant to us.

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Speaker 4: So let's get started.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, So I am Jen Fessler. You may know

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Speaker 2: me from the Housewives of New Jersey, but we are

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Speaker 2: not here to talk housewives. We are here to talk

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Speaker 2: about something that I went through about a million years

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Speaker 2: ago at the University of Texas. At Austin, I rushed

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Speaker 2: my junior year. Actually, I transferred from Boston University. I

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Speaker 2: started out in Boston even though I'm from Texas, and

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Speaker 2: I really felt like I was missing out. I was.

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Speaker 2: Boston is a city school, and UT is the quintessential

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Speaker 2: college experience in the South. The sororities are big, the

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Speaker 2: girls are mean. It's everything that you sort of picture,

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Speaker 2: at least what I pictured before I entered this crazy

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Speaker 2: world of Greek life and rushing, and my rush experience

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say was tense, anxiety provoking, exciting, a

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Speaker 2: little puky, But I think probably less stressful than what

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Speaker 2: than what goes down today. I can tell you that

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Speaker 2: I rushed every sorority house at the University of Texas,

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Speaker 2: but as a Jewish woman, I knew that I was

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Speaker 2: of the three Jewish sororities, and the three were AE FI,

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Speaker 2: which and please forgive me, because again I just want

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Speaker 2: the Pretty Girl Sorority SDT, which was the Nice Girl sorority,

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Speaker 2: and DeFi E again, please forgive me. I didn't make

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Speaker 2: it up, but they called it dogs, pigs, and elephants.

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Speaker 2: an almost fifty seven year old woman, I want to

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Speaker 2: take my night. What is I twenty year old self

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Speaker 2: and just kind of hold her because it was so scary.

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Speaker 2: And I remember walking into these big because in Texas

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Speaker 2: everything is big, these big sorority houses, and the girls

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Speaker 2: were all beautiful, and they were all thin, and they

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Speaker 2: But I was transferring and I had very good friends

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Speaker 2: the Nice Girl Sorority SDT. But from the beginning, all

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Speaker 4: That's what I wanted.

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Speaker 2: That's what I wanted, and that's what I got, And

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Speaker 2: which will delve into those years, of course, but I

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Speaker 2: want to hear about you, guys, and just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about what schools and a

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Speaker 2: little bit about your own personal experiences.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I am Gsju Dice.

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Speaker 1: Some of you might have known me from growing up

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Speaker 1: on The Royal Housewives in New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: Now I have a new.

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Speaker 1: started to evolve once I graduated from college. I graduated

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Speaker 1: from Rutgers University and I rushed my freshman year. I

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Speaker 1: So to rush at Rutgers, you had to have a

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Speaker 4: I didn't know if I then wanted to wait.

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Speaker 1: Until my sophomore year to rush because all of my

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Speaker 1: Rutgers is in New Brunswick.

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Speaker 4: It's not the best area. It's not the best town.

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Speaker 1: Rutgers kind of takes over New Brunswick and New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: So not to be like rude, but the town's a

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Speaker 1: little gringe. I mean, it's it's not like there were

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Speaker 1: think Greek life definitely kind of gave a light to Rutgers,

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Speaker 4: Rush my freshman year. And there were.

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Speaker 1: Top tier sororities and they were ZTA, G, FI, SDT,

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Speaker 1: sororities that you wanted to be in while I was

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Speaker 1: going through the rush process. It was a three day process,

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Speaker 1: I think Rutgers had about eleven sororities, so we it

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Speaker 4: So the one round then it was Philanthropy was the

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Speaker 4: Sisterhood, yes, yes, yes, yes, I think.

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Speaker 1: So there were there were three rounds of the recruitment

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Speaker 1: And then you know, it's all based off of first impression,

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Speaker 4: So as you eliminate, they eliminate you. You go through

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Speaker 1: Then it came down to philanthropy where you pick your

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Speaker 1: I was kind of gravitated towards SDT, but they had

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Speaker 1: So I dropped SDT even though I probably shouldn't have,

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Speaker 4: And they had the best rep.

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Speaker 1: And so then I went through it all, and even

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Speaker 1: end of everything, ZTA had the nicer house and the

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Speaker 4: So at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: I then chose ZTA because majority of my friends who

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Speaker 1: a lot of people from my hometown went to Rutgers

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Speaker 1: choosing ZTA and that was my rush story.

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Speaker 2: Can I just asked one question about going through it.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine going through it as a famous person. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine how that transformed that experience

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Speaker 2: for you. I think I don't know. I'm guessing that

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Speaker 2: it was probably different for you. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it was harder or easier because being Gia Judice.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think I went.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a little easier in the sense

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Speaker 1: and nobody that I wanted dropped me. So no sorority

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Speaker 4: Of choosing the right one.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, because of who

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Speaker 4: Sorority, So.

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Speaker 1: I felt like a sense of comfort and I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: up becoming my big which we can get all into that,

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Speaker 1: but I I think I just felt more comfortable and

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Speaker 3: So me, I went to San Diego State. I had

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Speaker 3: no idea about sorority life or what it was, and

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Speaker 3: from like a small town in Minnesota, like nobody there

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Speaker 3: did a sorority Like, I had no idea. And then Christy,

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Speaker 3: who was like my best friend from college, she called

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Speaker 3: me and she was like, you need to sign up

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Speaker 3: for recruitment and I was like, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 5: Why would I do that.

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Speaker 3: She was like, I'll pay your recruitment fee and I

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Speaker 3: Christie like I don't understand what it is. Me and

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Speaker 2: You guys, well you're because back then my mother didn't

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Speaker 3: My grandma actually was no idea, but I didn't know

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Speaker 1: I mean my mom graduated with her associate's degree. She

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Speaker 2: You guys know that now, Like I've heard that the

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Speaker 2: be So do you guys have you heard of that?

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Speaker 2: As have you heard of anybody there?

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Speaker 3: I've heard of that, but I don't think it's San

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Speaker 2: Well, you're in an advantage for sure.

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Speaker 1: I feel like probably down south it's a lot more intense.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like when I hear especially on TikTok,

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Speaker 4: It circulates the internet. It's actually crazy.

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Speaker 1: Therewith brands now like they're full blown influencers just from

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Speaker 2: So also, I think the difference between old lady Jennifer

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Speaker 3: And it's crazy too, because when you're going into recruitment,

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Speaker 3: Like you're looking at their instagrams, You're looking at everything

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Speaker 4: You're doing a any background check.

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Speaker 5: And I remember when we were doing that. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 3: Like through all my stuff before I even like they

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we already knew like a lot about you. Well,

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Speaker 4: They basically have their top pick things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so each shore already has like a list of

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Speaker 2: And let's see, like what do you think that they are?

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Speaker 4: I think your first thing right away is your looks.

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Speaker 3: I think also like looking at what you're involved in

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Speaker 2: You think there are there sororities that are looking for

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Speaker 3: Think for sure, because you kind of have you fill out,

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Speaker 1: But I think it also, you know, there's just so

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Speaker 1: Or it's it's like a whole it's a whole ranking

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Speaker 2: It is crazy imagine getting ranked women girls getting ranked.

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Speaker 3: I know, and I remember, like I was always thinking,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, these girls are in my sorority and

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Speaker 4: I think I definitely could have done without.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I have a ton of friends that were

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Speaker 2: So interesting. Yeah, my daughter who is GA's age, just so,

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Speaker 2: And then I remember she well, I had very serious

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Speaker 2: ideas of which sorority she should be in, and she

441
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 2: had different ideas, and it was all about for her.

442
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: She also wanted to be in a top tier sorority,

443
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: and I wanted her to be in the sorority with

444
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: the nice girls. And it did matter. Ultimately, it was

445
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: her decision and she had a good experience. But there's

446
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: a whole other layer to this as a mother that

447
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 2: I won't bore you guys with today, but it is.

448
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: It could be really just the anxiety of the whole thing,

449
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Like you know, yeah, made up my medication, I think

450
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: during that time a little bit.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it was definitely my Actually my nail tech.

452
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: It was her daughter was at Rutgers, goes to Rutgers,

453
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: and she was going through the recruiting process and she

454
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: was like venting to me, how our daughter didn't get

455
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: called back to any sorority at Rutgers. And you know,

456
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: when you're in that I'm sitting there getting my nails done.

457
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: She's like so upset that her daughter didn't get called

458
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Speaker 1: back to any because she knew I went to Rutgers,

459
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: I was in Zata, and I felt terrible.

460
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Speaker 4: I was like, what do you what do you say?

461
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Speaker 4: You know it was and now her.

462
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Speaker 1: Daughter's studying abroad and she's hoping that her daughter has

463
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Speaker 1: such a better experience studying abroad, and I was like,

464
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Speaker 1: I hope so, and I felt I just felt so

465
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Speaker 1: terrible because not getting called back to any is probably

466
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: the worst feeling that nobody, nobody wants you, you know,

467
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: like you're not accepted by anybody. And that's where I

468
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: think like the wine needs to be drawn at some point,

469
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: because that could just send the girls into such a spiral.

470
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Speaker 5: I feel, oh, it definitely does.

471
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I remember walking into maybe my first house. I

472
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: walked into Texas, and I was a big girl. Why

473
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: at that time, like a buck eighty or something was big,

474
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: not whatever anyway, but the point is that it felt

475
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: to me like every single girl there was thin, fit, beautiful.

476
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: Forgive me, Daisy, they all look like you. They just

477
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: did end well and GA two, but they were all blonde,

478
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: blue eyes, and I just I just remember feeling that

479
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: just less than like I can never aspiring to be

480
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: with these beautiful barbies knowing, but I also knew that

481
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: I was probably going to go into this Jewish sorority anyway,

482
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: so I kind of had that, which was helpful, but

483
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: the pressure of that when you're just starting college, right, yeah,

484
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: you want to make the right decision.

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like a lot of people there

486
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Speaker 3: like leaving high school to kind of get out of

487
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: those clicks a little bit. And then I think you

488
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: get to recruitment and you're going through it and you're like, wait,

489
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Speaker 3: is this a click too? Depends where you go for sure,

490
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Speaker 3: because I have a friend that I'm really close with

491
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: and she went to Ole.

492
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: Miss and like, oh that's her right, yeah, and her

493
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: like only.

494
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: Friends are the ones that were in her sorority and

495
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: and like were you friends with like any other girls

496
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: and other sororities And she's like no, like once you

497
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 3: got into your sorority, like those were your girls and

498
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: like there our best friends were like in her wedding

499
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: and everything.

500
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Speaker 5: But I think it depends where you go to and

501
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 5: like what the Greek life is, right right?

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

503
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Speaker 1: No, I mean at Rutgers, you were friends with girls

504
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: in different sororities. Yeah, And I think that was also

505
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: another thing, if you were a girl, like if you

506
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: had boobs and a vagina, you could get into any

507
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: frat party. Yeah, so I that is what I was saying,

508
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: in the sense of I probably didn't need to be

509
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: in a sorority at Rutgers, and a lot of girls

510
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: feel that way.

511
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Speaker 4: A lot of girls too. At Rutgers.

512
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: They rushed, they found their friends, and then they dropped

513
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: because they were like, Okay, I have all my friends.

514
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm going out the same way that I would be

515
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: going out if I was in a sorority. The only

516
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: thing that gets a little more clickie is I guess mixers. Yeah,

517
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: so okay, Zeta is mixing with Pike tonight, So that's

518
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: a closed mixer until ten thirty.

519
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 4: Then the party opens.

520
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: At eleven, so now everybody else can come in. That

521
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: was the fun part because then you got closer with

522
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: the frack like they.

523
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 4: For the fraternities.

524
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 5: That was what was fun.

525
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: But a lot of my.

526
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: Friends dropped because they felt like they didn't need it,

527
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: and what's the point of paying this two three thousand

528
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: dollars a semester if I don't.

529
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Speaker 4: Need to be in this sorority. If it's not really

530
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: benefiting me.

531
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Speaker 2: Which is the other thing we should talk about, which

532
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: is the money of it.

533
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 5: The money, like how about expensive how.

534
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: About those girls that just don't have the money for it?

535
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 4: Well, especially at BAMA.

536
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: I know, I know when I told my friend because

537
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: my friend went to the University of Alabama, I.

538
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: Told her I think my I think I paid like.

539
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: Maybe twenty five hundred, close to three thousand probably a

540
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: semester to be in ZTA. My friend faith I went

541
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Speaker 1: to BAMA and she was in one of the top

542
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: tier ones. It was like I want to say, like

543
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: probably close to six thousand a semester.

544
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 5: Crazy.

545
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: His parents were not only saving for college, they're saving

546
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: for Rush. They're saving for like which is crazy, which

547
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: is so crazy. I remember like with the boys, so

548
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: they went the frats when there were three Jewish frats

549
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: also at UT and so you got your bid and

550
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: you went to the house and then the boys, all

551
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: the boys got to pick which house to go to

552
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: to ask the girls to the first mixer, like we

553
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: were like yeah, we were like cattle. And then all

554
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: the frapes o god, I mean literally like they showed

555
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: up and a lot of them showed up to a

556
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: five because again that was where the pretty girls were,

557
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: and I didn't get asked to go to the mixer.

558
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: So the greatest day of me getting into eighty five

559
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: was like, you should have chosen the nice girls sorority.

560
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: That's where the nice boys went. Well, I mean it

561
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: sounds now looking back at it, it's just so so sad,

562
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know how the boys damper on

563
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: your BID day.

564
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: I know, I have to say bid day was probably

565
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: like one of the best days. Really, we yes because

566
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: we ran home, We ran home and I ran home

567
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: to CTA.

568
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: It was so fun.

569
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the older girls were sneaking me drinks even

570
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: though they weren't supposed to. We were having so much

571
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: fun and just dancing, and then we went out after

572
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: and those are the times where I was like, Okay,

573
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: this was worth it joining us sorority, these times in

574
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: these memories and getting a little and.

575
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: The big little process and all so fun. All those little.

576
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: Events like that where you genuinely were with your sorority

577
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: sisters and yet consumed by like other things.

578
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: That's the stuff that was super fun.

579
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: And there is I think so much. There's so many positives, right,

580
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: like going to school, especially when's it's big, and having

581
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: this group of sisters and having it fat, having that

582
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: happen fast, and then all of these events and all

583
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: of these mixers and matches and like immediately you have

584
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: this immediate social life and I guess you also write.

585
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: And it's so much like closer with people. I feel

586
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: like too in ways, like you become a little like

587
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: a family.

588
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you do.

589
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: Any pledging process going through.

590
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: That, that's crazy. We definitely have to talk about that.

591
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: But that also, you know, it's true, especially going to

592
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: a bigger school, it does give you that sense of

593
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: it kind of makes the how the school, how do

594
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: I say this, It makes this.

595
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 4: This huge school feel a little smaller.

596
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: So I mean, I have to say Rutgers is massive.

597
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: I think I knew every single person in Greek life.

598
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: The school felt so small. I saw the same people

599
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: every time I went out, every time I went to

600
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: the bars, same faces, And Rutgers is huge. I should

601
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: have been seeing a different face every time I went out,

602
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: same people.

603
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: H Yeah, I think that's why I got a little

604
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: old too.

605
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: But well, I think if you asked me, everybody at

606
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: the University of Texas at Austin is Jewish. Let me

607
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: assure you that that is not the case. But it

608
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: felt like everybody there was Jewish, and all of my

609
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: friends and all of the boys and everyone, and it

610
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: which is such a it's such a strange thing. But

611
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: because like you, we were a meshed We hung out together,

612
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: you know, all the time.

613
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, guys, this is just the beginning of Dirty Rush.

614
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: We're gonna take you through the good, the bad, the ugly,

615
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: all the lingo, everything you need to know.

616
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Speaker 5: It's gonna get really juicy.

617
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and sororities have been around for like one

618
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years, so we have a lot to cover.

619
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Speaker 2: And certainly it's a different experience now than when I rushed,

620
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing was very different one hundred and fifty

621
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: years ago as well. But I don't think we'll find

622
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: anyone to talk about that. But you guys, I don't know.

623
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: I've never heard anyone or any program or podcast really

624
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: diving into this subject matter, right, like really getting into

625
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: it and in terms of like the good, the bad,

626
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: the ugly. And I know a lot of mothers and

627
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: their daughters who are now going through it, have been

628
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Speaker 2: through it. There's a lot to cover right, so.

629
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Speaker 1: Much to cover, and we are so excited to tell

630
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Speaker 1: you guys our stories and really dive deep into what

631
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Speaker 1: all of this really means. But we're even more excited

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Speaker 1: to hear your stories, so make sure to leave a

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Speaker 1: voicemail leave your questions at our hotline eight four four

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Speaker 1: two seven eight Rush again eight four four to seven

635
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Speaker 1: eight rush and you guys can share all of your stories.

636
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Speaker 1: This is going to be totally anonymous, and we are

637
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Speaker 1: so excited to really get into this.

638
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Speaker 2: I'm hoping some of you fiys from Texas call in

639
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Speaker 2: please and.

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Speaker 4: Some of your bodies and diego State give us all

641
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Speaker 4: the tea.

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Speaker 2: So, guys, until next time, just please be your amazing cells.

643
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Speaker 2: Sisterhood starts with those first steps, my sisters. I'm thrilled

644
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Speaker 2: to do this with you, my very little little sisters.

645
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Speaker 2: We're gonna have fun, you guys, this.

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Speaker 4: Is so fun. Episode one done you guys back