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Speaker 2: That's right f n A on FSR, Fox Sports Saturday

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Speaker 2: with you guys. A K fig one is where you

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Speaker 2: can find me on x Adam. Is that follow Adam

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Speaker 2: A on x Adam. Good to be back with you, man,

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Speaker 2: it's good.

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Speaker 3: To be here.

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Speaker 4: Trying to get my bearings coming off of big Clippers

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Speaker 4: victory over the Chicago Bulls, jugging out Chicago Bulls. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 1: I win, Google me.

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Speaker 4: Google the Clippers. They won tonight.

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Speaker 2: Horse Grant out there. MJ Landa Warwich made a cameo.

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Speaker 4: I don't forget Pip Yeah, Derek Rose in his knees. Okay,

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Speaker 4: maybe it wasn't that big of a victory. We got

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Speaker 4: a big show for you though here tonight, including a

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Speaker 4: lot of NFL free agency talk. We'll get into that

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Speaker 4: in a little bit. Second hour, we do have an

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Speaker 4: interview with Mike Jones. Mike Jones.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm a man.

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Speaker 4: From the city of Syrup. No no, no, not him,

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Speaker 4: not the rapper.

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Speaker 2: Now they all on me, Yeah, exactly. Back then it

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Speaker 2: didn't want me. Now hot, they all ow me. Now

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Speaker 2: we're all on. Mike Jones from the Athletic covers the

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Speaker 2: NFL senior NFL writer, he's gonna talk free agency, the

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Speaker 2: botched or Knicks or whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 2: Max Crosby trade between the Raiders and the Ravens will

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Speaker 2: get into that and among some other things.

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Speaker 3: So that's coming. That's coming up an hour two of

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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Magic City Night was canceled by the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Devastating.

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Speaker 4: I think that was supposed to happen on Monday. Yes,

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Speaker 4: it's not happening. Now we'll tell you why and if

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Speaker 4: the league made the right decision here, Plus Darryl Moury

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Speaker 4: has thoughts about changing the game after he already changed

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Speaker 4: the game.

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Speaker 2: And uh, and Draymond Green has thoughts on Darryl Morriy's thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Oh, we have thoughts on Jerry Mond's thoughts on Daryl

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Speaker 4: Morris thoughts. That's right, Stay with us and then we'll

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Speaker 4: take your phone calls and see if you like this

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Speaker 4: idea to tweak the NBA a little bit. But let's go.

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Speaker 4: First off, Kevin, it's time to get into it. NFL

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Speaker 4: free agency is so hot right now.

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Speaker 3: The time, let's wrong.

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Speaker 2: So what are the headlines on the NFL starting quarterbacks?

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Speaker 4: What are the headlines on the starting quarterbacks. You sound

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Speaker 5: What are the headlines on the announcement of starting quarterback?

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Speaker 4: That's nicer. You know, we saw his old radio part

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Speaker 4: he did today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve Harbin, our colleague here at Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: did some filling work on our local affiliate, A five

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Speaker 2: seventy LA Sports.

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Speaker 3: Got a great chance to catch up with Steve Harbin

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Speaker 4: Off the air, ears falling off everywhere he goes because

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Speaker 4: he'll talk your ear.

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Speaker 2: You know, you do the slow back away, the uh

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Speaker 2: huh oh for real, no, no way, put your hand

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Speaker 2: on the door, Kevin, and Steve just keeps on going.

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Speaker 4: I had like a triple threat back away that I

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Speaker 4: did with him today, and the tractor beam kept pulling

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Speaker 4: me back in. Just when I thought I was out,

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Speaker 4: Steve Hartman's conversation talking about I don't know, gossip here

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Speaker 4: at Fox Sports Radio had me. I had like a

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Speaker 4: is encapsulating, he is intriguing.

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Speaker 2: He is so good to catch up with Steve. And

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Speaker 2: of course that was paddle O'Brian See's from a radio partner.

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Speaker 2: Pat not in the Pat not doing well at this

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Speaker 2: point in time, So our thoughts and preys go up

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Speaker 2: with him right now. So all all the best we

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Speaker 2: wished our our old friend, Pat O'Brien and all colleague

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Speaker 2: here at Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: We love you, yes, but what else could we love you?

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Speaker 3: Adam? He gave you his business car. For God's sake,

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Speaker 3: Come on.

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Speaker 4: That was the greatest Christmas gift ever. Pat O'Brien. I

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Speaker 4: kept asking him over and over again, Hey, give me

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Speaker 4: O'Brien's number. He's Allegendace. I did say it to your

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Speaker 4: was working for CBS. The golden age of basketball in

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Speaker 3: Built the NBA, a CBS.

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Speaker 4: Just ask him. I mean him Magic Bird and Jordan,

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Speaker 4: right there. He interviewed MJ before and after his sixty

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Speaker 4: three point game against Boston Boston Celtics. She lost, but hey,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, exactly. It's a little bit of controversy around

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Speaker 4: But padd O'Brien, I kept asking for his phone number

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Speaker 4: because you know, not that I was going to steal

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Speaker 4: It's not funny. That wouldn't be funny. I just want

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Speaker 3: You thought it would give you more raal points, you

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Speaker 2: You know what Adam was trying to do is like,

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Speaker 2: hey girl, look at this, look at this roll of decks.

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Speaker 3: You know, padd O'Brien, you know pob hate you see

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Speaker 4: Having his number is like him having Jeter's number, right,

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Speaker 4: That's what it would be like for me. And so

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Speaker 4: eventually I kept bugging him about it, and that I

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Speaker 3: Shout out Sam Sam still floating out there. Man, I

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Speaker 3: love you Sam.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, go go La Kings. They gonna make the playoffs

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Speaker 4: probably maybe, I don't know. Uh, Pat O'Brien in that

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Speaker 2: And did you try and you tried to call the

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Speaker 4: Cr Yeah, it was kind of like that. Actually, you

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Speaker 4: a ring back jingle with some people? Yes, do you

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Speaker 4: know what it was? For Pat? It was a Beatles song.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting well, you know, peculate claim to be the

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Speaker 4: You know, build inland empire than that.

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Speaker 3: That's right, you know what?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent trough y one hundred percent tru We

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Speaker 2: love you, Pat, But I was again to the NFL

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Speaker 2: free agency headlines. Of course, the biggest quarterback story coming

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Speaker 2: matter of fact, on Thursday night. The Minnesota Vikings, agreeing

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, the man who has all the potential

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Speaker 2: one of the most frustrating players you've ever watched play,

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Speaker 2: because he can look spectacular one week and look like

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing, though, Yes you know, I mean, how

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Speaker 4: many great quarterbacks of the Arizona Cardinals had. How many

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Speaker 4: great seasons have the Arizona Cardinals had. It's you, it's me,

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Speaker 4: That's what maybe they're saying to Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Carson Palmer got him to the NFC title Game.

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Speaker 2: Kurt Warner got him to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty much it.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm sorry out Jake Plumber.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jake Plumber made some play.

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Speaker 4: She what's plucky plucky Plumy plucky. Jake Plucky was tough

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Speaker 4: Lost immediately. I think goes Dallas. No, maybe they beat

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about Arizona State. Maybe my mind is falling apart.

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Speaker 4: But Kyler Murray, he's the number one overall pick. He

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Speaker 4: has all the talent in the world. I don't know

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Speaker 4: and he's been very injury prone. But how many coaches

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Speaker 4: has he gone through? I know eventually he got you know,

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Speaker 4: his Cinderellas Shoe type of coach with Cliff Kingsbury, and

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Speaker 3: But that's that's how he started. He started with Ingsbury.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, yeah, he wanted him in college,

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Speaker 4: though they had Josh Rosen, the Rosen one who they

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Speaker 4: it was the right move to move on from him,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I should say that probably the right move.

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Speaker 4: It's circumstantial. Maybe if he went to a different team,

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Speaker 4: Josh Rosen would be a Hall of Famer. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's possible, though, I mean, Josh Rosen I

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Speaker 4: You're right, he was just looking for a good hot tub. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the hot tub time machine actually where he could go

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Speaker 2: So a big question everyone's asking though, is if Kyler

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Speaker 2: Murray can be revived, can he be the next Sam Donald?

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Speaker 2: Can he be the next Baker Mayfield. The issue is,

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Speaker 2: at least for me, is the Sam Darnald comparisons. I

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Speaker 2: think they're completely different. Like Donald's issues, I think were

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Speaker 2: more confidence based between the Ears, didn't have a lot

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Speaker 3: But Kyler Murray, we kind of saw it. We've seen

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Speaker 3: the town.

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Speaker 2: We've seen him throw for thirty eight hundred yards twenty

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Speaker 2: five touchdowns, the most interceptions he's ever thrown in a

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Speaker 2: season is twelve, which is really not that many. So

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Speaker 2: he's had the production, he just doesn't have the consistency.

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Speaker 2: And then we talk about the contract and whether or

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Speaker 2: not he's playing too me the video games and how

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Speaker 2: dedicated he actually is, which tells you, if that is

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Speaker 2: an issue, how good he can be because he's not

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Speaker 2: dedicated more than half the time seemingly, yet he's still

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Speaker 2: able to put up really good numbers and be productive.

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Speaker 4: If he's playing Call of Duty while watching game tape

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Speaker 4: on this upcoming opponent and still throws for three hundred

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Speaker 4: and two touchdowns, that's kind of impressive multitasking.

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Speaker 2: That's great if you could do that, you know, fourteen

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Speaker 3: And that's the issue.

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Speaker 4: What if it's like, OK, you can play, but you

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Speaker 4: We all know that if you don't perform with KOC,

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Speaker 4: He and Koc have basically the same back politics. I

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Speaker 2: Bijon Robinson. Something that Kyler Murray has never really had

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Speaker 4: How'd that sound go? On the radio, Kevin? How'd that go?

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Speaker 4: like watching that. How old was he then? Was he ten?

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Speaker 3: Let in a little bit of emotion.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure though his tears, you know, they weren't long.

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Speaker 4: like he won the Super Bowl in Madden for the

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Speaker 3: Right there, there you go?

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Speaker 2: At a certain point in my life, I did do that,

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Speaker 4: I didn't lose. Y'all lost exactly. I simulated this in

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Speaker 4: talking about? Willis, Malik, Willis, es Milink Willis.

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Speaker 2: I guess the issue I have is there's certain pundits

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Speaker 4: Why would you even ponder bring him into the Miami

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Speaker 3: You're going through a rebuild. You know, you don't have

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Speaker 2: He's he's it's basically a low risk move if he hits,

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Speaker 2: if you have the right kind of offense and put

440
00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,119
Speaker 2: him in the right system, there's no reason why he

441
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,879
Speaker 2: can't be successful if again, he puts all those tools together.

442
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,439
Speaker 2: But physically speaking, he has all the physical measurables that

443
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,679
Speaker 2: you would need for someone to play the quarterback position

444
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 2: at a high level.

445
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,240
Speaker 4: If they win seven or eight games, that could be

446
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 4: viewed as a successful season. That's where the bar's at,

447
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 4: and that's kind of where you want to be your

448
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 4: first year as maybe a franchise guy. Yes, it is

449
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,640
Speaker 4: an audition. He has to show signs that he can

450
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,480
Speaker 4: be something you know that you can build around. At

451
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,960
Speaker 4: least he can't completely flop, But he doesn't have to

452
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,359
Speaker 4: light the world on fire either.

453
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,919
Speaker 2: To be successful there, and if you're still uneven about it,

454
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 2: who knows how the season goes. Again, you get yourself

455
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,639
Speaker 2: a draft pick, and all of a sudden you can

456
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,200
Speaker 2: draft the next guy and maybe he ends up being

457
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 2: just a you know, a passerby just a caretaker quarterback

458
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 2: for a season, stopgap.

459
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 3: It's not going to cost you much if you cut

460
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 3: him loose.

461
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 4: It's not Matt Flynn with the Seahawks when they paid

462
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 4: him all that money and still went the other direction. Rightfully,

463
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 4: So with Russell Wilson, by the.

464
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 3: Way, if it does, that's fine too.

465
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 2: Like great, if you draft a guy in the fourth round,

466
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 2: if it's who Ty Simpson, whoever else, and they end

467
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 2: up blossoming, then by all means you'll take it.

468
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,400
Speaker 3: You'll figure it out later.

469
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 2: This is not your cap was blown up by Tua

470
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: Tagoba a Lloyd who are paying one hundred million dollars

471
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 2: not to play for you?

472
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 4: Was it ninety million of dead cap?

473
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 3: Ninety nine?

474
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's closer than ninety nine.

475
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, it's a lot.

476
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 4: I got ninety nine problems and it's all dead cap money,

477
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 4: exactly paid in money. Maybe they shouldn't have paid him

478
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 4: that much. Maybe I don't know.

479
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 2: Well, and maybe a lot of people said at the time, look,

480
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 2: I know we had a really good year, but you

481
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 2: guys are probably getting out ahead of this, maybe a.

482
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 3: Year too early.

483
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 4: Tell Dan or Rolofski, Well, look I understand the reason

484
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 4: behind it. You know, it's like, you know you're gonna get.

485
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,160
Speaker 2: It's hard to get a high equality quarterback who's putting

486
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 2: up those sorts of numbers.

487
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 4: And the first couple of years the Mike McDaniel, they

488
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 4: were productive. Yeah, he did his thing.

489
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 2: Now he had a ceiling and you know, cold weather

490
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. In that game against Kansas City

491
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 2: where people literally had frostbite sitting in the stands, I

492
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 2: didn't know that.

493
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 3: I don't have that.

494
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 4: Level of dedication as a fan. I ain't doing it.

495
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

496
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys do all of love to you guys

497
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: in Kansas City or other cold weather city Chicago. I'm

498
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: not about to sit in my ass in the stands

499
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 2: and literally get frostbite to watch a football game not happening.

500
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a badge of honor for me. Once

501
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 4: it gets to fifty degrees here in Los Angeles, oh.

502
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 3: I'm done.

503
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 4: Yea turn up the heat bundling up.

504
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 2: Speaking of yes, So he signs with the Atlanta Falcons,

505
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: and I think it's I can't say phenomenal fit. I'm

506
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 2: not the biggest fan of Tool, to be honest with you,

507
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 2: he's really falling off these last couple of years.

508
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 3: The concussion issues.

509
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 4: It's scary. Honestly, it's downright dangerous and scary. But it's

510
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 4: also his decision, his family's decision. All I can say

511
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 4: is I hope he's gonna be okay, So do I,

512
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 4: So do I.

513
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: The problem is, from a pure football standpoint, everything needs

514
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: to be perfect for him to be able to succeed.

515
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the issue.

516
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 2: You know on schedule plays them in timing, which again

517
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 2: I talked about this last segment, Kevin O'Connell, Kevin Stefanski,

518
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 2: rhythm and timing. West Coast guys, He'll fit right in

519
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: from an offensive standpoint, from a fit standpoint, and look,

520
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: talent wise, they got all the talent in the world.

521
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: Drake London has been is an excellent number one receiver.

522
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts finally broke out after nineteen years. He finally

523
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: broke out and became the player they thought he when

524
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: they drafted him out of Florida a few years back. Obviously,

525
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: they have one of the best running backs in the

526
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: entire league, if not the best running back in the league,

527
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 2: and b John Robinson in a great and a good

528
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 2: offensive line that's going to get healthy this year.

529
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 3: So they have all.

530
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: They have literally everything offensively. You were high except border

531
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: to the last season. I was, and that was because

532
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: I thought that that Michael Pennix would take the next step,

533
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: and even before he got hurt, he did not take

534
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: the next step. And by the way, by the end

535
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: of the season, they still found themselves just outside on

536
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: the outside looking into the division rates when even though

537
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: they got off to a horrible.

538
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 4: Start, NFC South is barely a division. Well, that's part

539
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 4: of the reason why I thought they compete for the division.

540
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 4: I think it was that good. So act like the

541
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 4: Panthers aren't perennial division winners because they're not.

542
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: I do like some of the moves they made infid

543
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: All right, maybe we can get to them some of them.

544
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 3: Although there's one I'm questioning, the fact that.

545
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 4: They're hanging on to Bryce Young still is that well,

546
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 4: this certainly doesn't help. What do you think is going

547
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 4: to happen in training camp between two and Michael Pennix,

548
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 4: because I think it's still legitimate battle. Honestly, Oh, it is.

549
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: Well, obviously everything hinges on the health of Michael Pennix.

550
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: Is he going to be ready for training camp? How's

551
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: he going to look? Even when he is healthy. He's

552
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 2: not like he was lighting the world on fire last

553
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: year anyway.

554
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 4: No, he looked like a game manager and somebody that

555
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 4: I don't want to say. Look, he threw the ball

556
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 4: around in college at what I thought was a level

557
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 4: that would translate better to the NFL. Honestly, maybe than

558
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy. Like JJ McCarthy. Wasn't throwing the rock around

559
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 4: like that J. McCarthy team around him a game, Yeah,

560
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 4: he wasn't. Michael Pennix was airing it out left and right.

561
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 4: And Michigan won that game, and they had thirteen guys

562
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 4: drafted from that team and ath oh Jji McCarthy's got

563
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 4: all the intelligibles, and he's a winner, and he's a

564
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 4: champion and all these things. Michael Pennix was the one

565
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 4: that made more sense to succeed.

566
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: Now, agree one hundred percent. So that's gonna be a

567
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: legitimate competition. I just think based on the health factor

568
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: to it, probably has the leg up because he's just

569
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: going to be able to take the majority of the

570
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: off season reps.

571
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: Penix is really busy rehabbing, So we'll have to see.

572
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 4: No longer finds up legs up for two of here.

573
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: I'm intrigued. I do want to see how that goes.

574
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 4: I would love for two Dunkle Bailoa to kind of

575
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: re establish himself and prove that he can be a

576
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: better quarterback than he has been. I root for the

577
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 4: redemption stories.

578
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: Oh sure, I got nothing against him.

579
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 4: Jake Dell Holmes one of my favorite quarterbacks ever. Yeah,

580
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: he was playing in an NFL Europe.

581
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

582
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: Richer was one of those for me with the Raiders,

583
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: the cast off of Minnesota, cast off of Kansas City,

584
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: even though he played extremely well for them when Elvis

585
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: Garback got.

586
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 4: Hurt, give me the underdogs. I actually was helping Kirk

587
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 4: Cousins and he didn't play that poorly at times last season,

588
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 4: to be honest. They had that big victory over the Rams,

589
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 4: Saint Louis Rams, So I was still thinking about Kurt

590
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 4: Warner for a second, Cousins.

591
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: So he's been linked to the Raiders in a move

592
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: that I think will make a hell of a lot

593
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: of sense because again Lafleur, again a Shanahan McVeigh guy,

594
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: which again kirk Cousins playing for Washington came from that tree,

595
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: played in that offense. So initially a lot of people

596
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: believe that Kirk Cousins was going to resign with the

597
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings.

598
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: I think that made them the most sense.

599
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: They maybe he was upset that they weren't willing to

600
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: pay him an ungottly amount of money on a year

601
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: to year basis like they did before, so he decided

602
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 2: to go somewhere else.

603
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,239
Speaker 4: I don't know his chain got lost somewhere that he

604
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 4: was wearing on the plane that one time.

605
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: He absolutely maybe fleeced is wrong because it takes two

606
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: to tango. But the contracts that he signed in Minnesota

607
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: to get himself paid was a masterful between him and

608
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: whoever his agent is.

609
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if anybody realized. You know, he

610
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: did his achilles and that's a tough injury to recover from,

611
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 4: especially at like thirty six or whatever.

612
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: He was, Yeah, and.

613
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, he looked better this pass, but it took

614
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: a year at least. Kirk Cousins, I like that situation

615
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 4: with the Raiders too well.

616
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: And that hasn't happened. That's that's what's rumored. And look

617
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: they I know the Raiders have.

618
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: Said telegraphed telemraraft.

619
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: Well it better be because the problem is if you

620
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: don't sign him and your plan is not to start

621
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: Fernanda Mendoza from week one, who the hell else are

622
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: you bringing.

623
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 4: In the coverage bear the Wells, Yeah, there's nothing.

624
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: There's nobody else left.

625
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there is this guy who's coaching high school

626
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 4: football again and Philip Rivers. You know what you could

627
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 4: sell him on there. I would love Philip Rivers with

628
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 4: the Raiders.

629
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: I kind of would too, to be honest with you.

630
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 4: It's like that'd be fun.

631
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: Why the hell not? He could basically be a player.

632
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 3: He did. He interview for a head coaching job this.

633
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 4: Offseason, and people like Buffalo Bill Seriously, yeah, what are

634
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 4: we doing interview him to be an offensive point quarterback coach?

635
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: But this, like, the optics are terrible.

636
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: And when you talk about, you know, the the Accelerator

637
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: program and the lack of minority hires and candidates and

638
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: all that. You interview a guy who's never coached before. Yeah,

639
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: well not not that high school doesn't count.

640
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: But what are we doing?

641
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: I seriously, that was overly ambitious. I think that was

642
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 4: the wrong move. Maybe I don't know, Maybe they were

643
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 4: trying to really convince him to be the backup there

644
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 4: or something like that. Maybe just get him in the building.

645
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about the reunion in New York

646
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: between Geno Smith and the Jets that do anything for you?

647
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 4: Well, I think last time he was there he got

648
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: made out. Old did that happen? Yeah?

649
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: That knocked out by Ak Polly. That's what team lyingbacker,

650
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: That is true.

651
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 4: Broke his jaw. Yep had a drink out of a

652
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: straw for six months, like weight gainer and protein drakes

653
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: and things like that. Halthways like Kanye West back in

654
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 4: the day. I'm surprised. Maybe it's an only Geno thing.

655
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 4: Only Gina would go back to a situation like this.

656
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 4: Everybody else would be like, I'm scarred for life. I'm

657
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 4: never returning. Most quarterbacks who don't get knocked out that

658
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: played for the Jets are still scarred for life. Sam

659
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Speaker 4: Darnold's seeing ghosts, He's Haley Joel Osmond. He's like he

660
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Speaker 4: wanted to go back there or is that just the

661
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Speaker 4: best place where he has a chance to compete? And

662
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Speaker 4: that's how Gino.

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Speaker 2: Sees I think he saw it as that's the best

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Speaker 2: place he has to be able to go and start,

665
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Speaker 2: not even compete for a starting job, Like I could

666
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Speaker 2: just go in there day one and know that I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be the starting quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I guess it depends who they get, right Well.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to draft anybody at second overall in

670
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Speaker 2: this class, that's for damn sure. So we know that

671
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Speaker 2: maybe later in the draft they find somebody and if

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Speaker 2: they have a good enough training camp, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: But it's not that they don't have offensive talent. You know,

674
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Speaker 2: the Bresee Hall is excellent, Garrett Wilson. They signed Ady Mitchell,

675
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Speaker 2: who is when he's healthy as an excellent player. Excellent,

676
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Speaker 2: maybe strong, but at least productive. So their offensive line

677
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: actually isn't terrible. So they have some offensive talent. They

678
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Speaker 2: just have to put things together at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: But again, I don't know if Gino Smith is that guy.

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Speaker 4: Look if the offensive line wasn't as futrid as it

681
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Speaker 4: was last season for the Raiders, where guys were routinely

682
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Speaker 4: getting beat and blockers were being shed. I do think

683
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Speaker 4: he could still be decent. He isn't that much of

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Speaker 4: a drop off from his time in Seattle in six

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Speaker 4: months to being that bad of a quarterback. That is

686
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Speaker 4: the circumstances of playing for the Raiders. Those are the

687
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Speaker 4: things that happened behind a poor offensive line. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if there would be any quarterback that would be

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Speaker 4: able to handle that situation honestly.

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Speaker 2: Well, based on the things that you hear about, you know,

691
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Speaker 2: Brennan Carroll and the way that he coached or didn't

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Speaker 2: coach the offensive line, it kind of makes a lot

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Speaker 2: of sense.

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Speaker 3: Is there as as functional as they were?

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Speaker 4: So he gets a pass? You're saying the quarterback ironically

696
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Speaker 4: gets a pass a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Only only slightly. You got do some non quarterback stuff

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Speaker 2: here too, Yeah, why not? So Jalen Phillips, you know,

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Speaker 2: talking about your Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Kevin, I thought this was a massive overpay at first.

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Speaker 2: What you mean at first? So what changed your mind?

702
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: Because I still think it is.

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Speaker 4: I watched his highlight tape last season, and I got.

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Speaker 3: A slight tape. We had two sacks. Great for a.

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Speaker 4: Guy that has done his acl that has had is

706
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Speaker 4: many concussions as he did in college and was told

707
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Speaker 4: not to play football anymore and then did his achilles.

708
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Speaker 4: He still looks pretty damn athletic out there.

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Speaker 2: Look, I know he's like in the upper third when

710
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Speaker 2: it comes to pressure rate.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: It does matter.

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Speaker 2: My man has like six sacks in the past four years.

714
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Speaker 2: At eight and a half in his first his rookie season, he.

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Speaker 4: Can get lucky and walk into ten sacks. Sometimes, get

716
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Speaker 4: the hell up out of the year.

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Speaker 2: You're paying this guy more than Trey Henderson got paid

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Speaker 2: to the Baltimore Ravens, and that's a proven commodity.

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Speaker 4: You don't think that's what it takes to go to

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Speaker 4: the Carolina Panthers. There's a difference in the destination there.

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Speaker 2: I under you have to overpay, I guess, and you're

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Speaker 2: overpaying for potential. By the way, he's still twenty six,

723
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Speaker 2: I understand, But you're talking about all the injury issues.

724
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Speaker 2: I just don't know if the investment is necessarily worth it.

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Speaker 4: He looked good with the Eagles. He looked he stayed healthy.

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Speaker 4: Last year was a contract year, granted, but I thought

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Speaker 4: he looked very athletic. Two sacks, how many hurries? He

728
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Speaker 4: was graded into something like ninety percentile quarterback? Right.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned that a second ago.

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Speaker 1: It matter.

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Speaker 2: The production has to be there after you're like a

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Speaker 2: year six or seven. Basically, give me pressures, you gotta

733
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Speaker 2: give me some sacks. We let others clean up for him.

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Speaker 2: That's called being a good teammate out there. I'll get

735
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: the pressure, you get the sacks, so full of you can.

736
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Speaker 4: Have the glory.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The Raiders overpay for Tyler Lindenbaum makes total sense. You're

739
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Speaker 2: gonna draft a quarterback first overall, one of the best

740
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Speaker 2: sinners in the league, and people are upset because they

741
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: reset the court the market for starting centers. It's like, so,

742
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Speaker 2: what isn't It's one of the most important positions on

743
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Speaker 2: the field on the offensive line. Is So I'm fine

744
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Speaker 2: with if even if it's a slight overpay, I'm willing

745
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Speaker 2: to do that to make sure I protect my biggest commodity,

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Speaker 2: which is my rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 3: That's an overpay where I'm like, you know what makes sense?

748
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Speaker 4: All the Panthers where I think bottom five in quarterback

749
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Speaker 4: pressures last season, so they also had to overpay for

750
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Speaker 4: a position of need. We're in the exact same spot. Man,

751
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: you overpaid for a position. I don't know who that's

752
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Speaker 4: worse for. If you wait a second, I don't want

753
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Speaker 4: to be the same as far as the overpay for

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00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 4: a position of me.

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00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: Then you're overpaying Trey Hendrickson, not Jalen Phillips.

756
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Speaker 4: We'll see. Let's see how it plays out, all right, Okay, great,

757
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 4: when he does have ten sacks this season, okay, and

758
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty tackles.

759
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: Now we're talking, all right, we gotta have a gentleman's bet.

760
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: Wait a second, No, no, no, no, you just playing.

761
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: Let me have fun here, Jalen Phillips. Let me dream

762
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: over under ten sacks.

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00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: I'm clearly taking the under. You're clearly taking the over.

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Speaker 3: So when he gets fewer than ten sacks, what are

765
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Speaker 3: you getting.

766
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Speaker 4: Me a battle of the butt. Oh you don't want that.

767
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: That's not going happen, like call hr Okay, how okay?

768
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: How about over under over under six and a half.

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Speaker 4: How about six six.

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Speaker 9: And a half.

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Speaker 3: No, this guy is the second coming of Javon Curse.

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Speaker 3: The hell you mean six and a half.

773
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: Davon Curse had like two good years. Come on now, hey,

774
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: least say Julius Peppers. That's one Hall of Famer. That's

775
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: one more good year than Jalen Phillips. Look, give him

776
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: good health. He'll give you the good year. Give me

777
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 4: the good hell first, because I'm been waiting for.

778
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Speaker 3: That for the past six years.

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Speaker 4: I think I think it's gonna almost work out. I

780
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Speaker 4: think we're so close. Look what were they? Eight and nine?

781
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Speaker 4: We're going eight and nine again. And if eight and

782
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Speaker 4: nine is enough to win the division this season, why

783
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: not next year too? I will say I love Devin

784
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: Lloyd so got me there.

785
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Speaker 3: That was a phenomenal sign.

786
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: But Bryce Young played well in that playoff loss to

787
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: the Rams. That's the most encouraging that has happened to

788
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 4: the Panthers. I'm being honest.

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Speaker 3: I have to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta keep my credibility here. I'm big in

791
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Speaker 4: North Carolina. I'm the what was it the pussy Paul

792
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Speaker 4: Patrol podcast or whatever, the pussy Cat podcast, the pussy

793
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Speaker 4: Cat podcast or whatever it is called for the Panthers.

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Speaker 3: You said they were jumping off.

795
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Speaker 4: Remember they went on hiatus because the Panthers were so bad,

796
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Speaker 4: and then they won the division and made the playoffs.

797
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Speaker 2: So you're saying they're the reason why the Panthers turned

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00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: things around and won the division.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's their fault. Broadcasters have powers.

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Speaker 2: Kansas City. By the way, hemorrhaging is strong. But yes,

801
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: they say Kenneth Walker shores up their run game. That's

802
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: big for them.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a really good move.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

805
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 4: It's great you got Mahomes coming off the ACL. Let's

806
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: stop going off script all the time with our quarterback

807
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: that's getting older and less athletic. Let's actually have more

808
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: of a system here. In fact, Andy Reid always had

809
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: so much success when he really did run the ball.

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Speaker 4: He just didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: It made no sense to me.

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Speaker 4: He was the first to go like sixty percent pass

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Speaker 4: forty percent runs, and now it's all seventy percent or

814
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 4: seventy five percent passes. But they need to run the ball.

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Speaker 4: They need to protect Patrick Mahomes that way.

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Speaker 3: I am. I will say this.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad they're getting Kenneth Walker and not the kid

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Speaker 2: out of Notre dame, cause that will be devastating. Well Love, Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love would be by the way, he was going

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Speaker 2: to be a top ten pick anyway, and I think

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Speaker 2: the combine probably pushed him into the top five, so

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Speaker 2: he probably wouldn't have fallen into Kansas City anyway.

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Speaker 4: But still, oh, because you're a Raider fan and you

824
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: don't want to see them with a guy who ran.

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Speaker 4: Was it a four to two nine or something? Yes,

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Speaker 4: that's pretty fast, that's accurate.

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Speaker 3: All right, what do we have coming up next?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's geek news or Stranger than Fiction.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna call it stranger than fiction. But it's also

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Speaker 4: video game related. So Kyler Murray get ready one of

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Speaker 4: our favorite games. Ever. That they said you were brainless

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Speaker 4: if you were playing this game not true. In fact,

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Speaker 4: it's quite the opposite. We'll explain next and Stranger than

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Speaker 4: Fiction here on.

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Speaker 4: Welcome FNA Cotton.

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Speaker 2: That's right fn A on FSR Fox Sports Saturday, Kevin

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Speaker 2: Figures Adam Alson with you guys. Coming up next hour,

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Speaker 2: Mike Jones covers the NFL for The Athletic. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about all of the free agency news that occurred this

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Speaker 2: past week, as well as the Knicks Max Crosby raiders

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Speaker 2: in Raven's Trade.

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Speaker 3: But right now, what do we have?

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Speaker 4: I'm passed through the customer defending critcision called nine one

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Speaker 4: after her McDonald's run out of McNuggets.

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Speaker 7: You can't give a drunk man riding a horse at

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Speaker 7: ewy and he got.

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Speaker 10: Unlike card or don't have motors, they have a mind

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Speaker 10: in their own strange things.

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Speaker 4: Twenty four year old man now Jusef throwing an alligator

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Speaker 4: through a drive through window, high steel fix. This story

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Speaker 4: could have been in gig News. I wasn't sure how

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Speaker 4: to categorize this. But if you're an older millennial, you

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Speaker 4: probably played PC games as a kid, and well, you

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Speaker 4: may have started with the Oregon Trail and Dysentery and

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Speaker 4: all that, or Space Quest or King's Quest, Point and

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Speaker 4: click adventure games. Eventually you got yourself a copy of

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Speaker 4: Wolfenstein three D, even if it was the shareware version

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Speaker 4: with only one episode where you don't get to work

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Speaker 4: your way up to killing Hitler. Yet that's an episode.

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Speaker 2: Three at hidden level is what it is. It happens the.

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Speaker 4: Set up for gobals first before you get to Hitler's

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Speaker 4: that what it is. It takes some time. There's some

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Speaker 4: Nazi zombies in episode two, and then Hitler you get

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Speaker 4: to him and he's ling like a mech warrior suit

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Speaker 4: in episode three, and it's very gratifying killing him episode

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Speaker 4: one though, killing jar Jar, that would be very gratifying. Word.

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Speaker 4: But once you graduate from a Wolf three D or

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Speaker 4: it's lesser known space counterpart Blake Stone in the first

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Speaker 4: person shooter genre of gaming, eventually you got a buddy

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Speaker 4: or a neighbor who lets you borrow his three and

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Speaker 4: a half inch floppy disc and that's not sexual, that's

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Speaker 4: a disc, and you low up Doom onto your state

877
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: of the art for eighty six computer, the og Doom. Now,

878
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 4: we loved the Little Green Space Marine long before the

879
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: Halo guy tried to bite his style, But try to

880
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 4: bite a real show Doom did it first? I mean

881
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: the Master Chief, yea Halo guy, that guy. I love Halo.

882
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: I love Halo more than I love Doom. What was

883
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 4: the Halo show on YouTube? I never watched Blue versus

884
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 4: Red or whatever. It was pretty cool, it was very popular.

885
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: It was no, I don't know if it was sass

886
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: the blue. No, they were hanging up the handkerchiefs together

887
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: and they squashed the beef.

888
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 3: Oh the banging on wax, all right, No, that beef

889
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 3: was never squashed. Never a thing.

890
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: Now when it comes to Doom, your parents may not

891
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: have liked the ultra violence element, the satanic undertones, and

892
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: you playing the game till you experienced brain rot or

893
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 4: back then they said you were brain dead if you

894
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 4: played it, but they were wrong. It takes brain cells

895
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: to play Doom. How do I know this? It was

896
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 4: demonstrated by scientists in Australia at Cortical Labs who made

897
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: what they call a neurocomputer out of hundreds of thousands

898
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: of brain cells grown from stem cells that they were

899
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: able to get to play.

900
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: The game Doom.

901
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 4: I have wait so much time on their hands. See,

902
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 4: there's some Internet humor out there between developers and engineers

903
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: that when you show off an invention, the next question

904
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: from users in a form or message board is they

905
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 4: just respond with but can it play Doom? There's even

906
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 4: a website called can it playdoom dot org where people

907
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: show off various gadgets org.

908
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: Yes, like goodness is a nonprofit situation, appreciate it.

909
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: It's like, can you get Doom to run on your

910
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 4: LCD screen for your Nest Egg thermostat, or can you

911
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: get Doom to run on the tesla iPad screen in

912
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: your car or fitness band or Doom on a black

913
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: and white kindle an ultrasound machine. There's all these challenges

914
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: out there, but if you mottom up and you're a

915
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 4: smart techy nerd, you can make it happen. So these

916
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: scientists in Melbourne, Australia, we're working with brain cells attached

917
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 4: to a motherboard. Now ask for how this happened. One

918
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: of the scientists said, quote, we take blood donations from

919
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 4: willing volunteers and donors, and then our amazing biology team

920
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 4: does some biology magic, which is science, but I think

921
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 4: it's more like magic. A biology team does some biology magic,

922
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: that's what they're calling it. Yes, science. They turn the

923
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 4: blood cells, they say, quote into stem cells, similar to

924
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 4: what in the past you'd have to do with embryos,

925
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 4: but now you can just do it from skin cells

926
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 4: or blood cells. Apparently in twenty twenty six. Then they're

927
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: converted to brain cells or cortical cells, which are then

928
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: placed in a peatrie dish, and you can record the

929
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: electrical activity from the cells because they communicate via electrical

930
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: signals similar to how they would in your brain quote.

931
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 4: In that sense, they are alive, so they could program

932
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: the electrical pulses of these brain cells they created through

933
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: stem cells kinda to play Doom. It's a neurocomputer thing.

934
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: It's not very good at playing the game yet, but

935
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 4: apparently they're learning. They're getting better. The real use case

936
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 4: is really for testing drugs and things you do with

937
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 4: mice and chimpanzees, but instead do it with these brain

938
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 4: cells to see if it's more viable for a human.

939
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: But right now it's running Doom. You can see it.

940
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 4: Just type in Doom on YouTube and put in brain

941
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: or whatever. It'll come up the video of brain cells

942
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: playing Doom.

943
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: It sounds like a very productive use of these scientists,

944
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: big brains and their resources.

945
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 4: Hey, I think so. If the brain cells can beat

946
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 4: the cyber demons better than me, I mean that's handy.

947
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: Who knows what else they can beat? Maybe they can

948
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: beat the nazis. Sure why not fight the next four

949
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: It is F and A on FSR. The trade that

950
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: wasn't coming up next here on Fox Sport. That's right

951
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: hour two of Fox Sports Saturday with Kevin Figures and

952
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: Adam Auslin. You guys can get in touch with us

953
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: here on X at Follow Adam. A is where you

954
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: can follow Adam. You can find me at k fig one.

955
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: Coming up next segment, we will join Mike Jones from

956
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: The Athletic, your NFL writer, which hop on and talk

957
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: about free agency, among other things surrounding the National Football League.

958
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: Eloy from Compton who has has some back and forth

959
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: with us during football season and he of course a

960
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 2: Chiefs fan, me of course a Raider fan.

961
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

962
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: I made a comment about the Kansas City Chiefs last

963
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 2: segment and how I was happy that they signed Kenneth Walker,

964
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 2: So I meant that they would not draft Jeremiah Love.

965
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: I mean, that's still not great, No, it is. With

966
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker, it really is a lesser to evils.

967
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: I kind of a lesser of two wheels.

968
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: I think Jeremiah Love can he might be one of

969
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: those guys who could be the best running back of

970
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: the NFL from day one, as a rookie.

971
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: I think he has that sort of potential.

972
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: It feels a little bit like Adrian Peterson coming into

973
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 4: the league.

974
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: One thousand percent.

975
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: So Eloy asked me, said, can you see the Chiefs

976
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: drafting Love if he's available? And he says, I guess

977
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: that's why they signed Walker because they don't think he'll

978
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: be there with a ninth pick. And that is true, Yes, Eloy,

979
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: they took Kenneth Walker because I'm pretty sure they were

980
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: confident that Jeremiah Love would not be there at number

981
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 2: nine and it would.

982
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: Not surprise me.

983
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if they should do it if the

984
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: Jets took him at number two. I know they have

985
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: Breesaw who they like. But if you remember you mentioned

986
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 2: Adrian Peterson, the Minnesota Vikings had a running back named

987
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: Chester Taylor who was really good. He was a very

988
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: good player, ran for eleven hundred yards for them, was

989
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: a really solid player. But Adrian Peterson was a generational,

990
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: game changing, Hall of Fame type of player.

991
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: I thought they still had the guy from Oregon who

992
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 4: got busted for the Wisonator, Ontario Smith. Yeah. I think

993
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 4: he may have made have left the team by then.

994
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 4: I think he had a couple of years before that.

995
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 4: I don't think he had a long NFL career. No,

996
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 4: he did, maybe two or three years, because then you

997
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 4: have the Jets, you have Arizona, you have Tennessee.

998
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any way he gets past Tennessee.

999
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: And if you're the Titans, you have a chance to

1000
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: get cam Ward and Jeremiah Love as part of your

1001
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: starting backfield for the next ten to fifteen years, potentially.

1002
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 4: Especially for a franchise that's missing Derrick Henry and feeling

1003
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: like maybe they had some sellers remorse by letting him go,

1004
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: or is that buyer's remorse. I don't know, whatever you

1005
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: want to call it remorse. They're very remorseful.

1006
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: Unless somebody trades up and knocks their socks off. I

1007
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: do not see Jeremiah Love getting asked the fourth pick

1008
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: to the Tennessee Titans. So that's I'll see that plan.

1009
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 10: Ow.

1010
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm not sorry.

1011
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: You're fine.

1012
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 4: You have to deal. You have to suffer with Kenneth Wall, you.

1013
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: Have to suffer with a Super Bowl MVP and the

1014
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: best quarterback. But it may be of all time. Let's

1015
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 2: talk about Kelthy. Let's talk about some real suffering.

1016
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: The Raider shuck, how dare you? It's true, but you

1017
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: don't have to say it.

1018
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 4: That's for taking a shot at Jalen Phillips' future hall

1019
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 4: of favor with the Carolina get the bus ready right

1020
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 4: next to Luke Keigley's and Julius Peppers.

1021
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: The disrespect and disrespectful to all of those people you

1022
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: just mentioned won't be five years from now, Okay if

1023
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: you say so.

1024
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1025
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 2: So, Max Crosby was on his way to the Baltimore

1026
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: Ravens for two first round picks, and it's been talked

1027
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: about all week obviously, and the trade was nicked by

1028
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: Baltimore who failed him in his physical. Uh and a

1029
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: lot of controversy surrounding that field physical because of course,

1030
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: the belief is, well, we knew he was coming off

1031
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: of the meniscus surgery to begin with. He was probably

1032
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: never going to really pass quote unquote of physical with anybody.

1033
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 4: I don't like the way you phrased it. Well, how

1034
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 4: did I phrase it with Baltimore Ravens who failed him

1035
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 4: in his physical?

1036
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: You know how this goes. You've been around enough athletes

1037
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: and talk to enough of these guys. Different doctors, different

1038
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: teams have different evaluations. When it comes to physicals, I.

1039
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 4: Know how it goes. It sounds like a Scorn Raiders

1040
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 4: fan right now, That's what I'm.

1041
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm actually, I'm actually not upset at all. I could

1042
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: have been fine one way or the other. I'm glad

1043
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: we're keeping Max. I would have been glad taking two

1044
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: first round picks. I think it's a win win as

1045
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned.

1046
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: Oh, tell me what you think.

1047
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: Don't get to that in a little bit. What do

1048
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: I think happened?

1049
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: I do think there's a little bit of an element

1050
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 2: of truth to both theories. So the one conspiracy theory

1051
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: is Trey Hendrickson didn't get signed in the first wave

1052
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: of free agency. Baltimore saw that and said, well, let's

1053
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: swoop in and get this guy who might not be

1054
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: as good as Max Crosby, but maybe he's a half

1055
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: step down.

1056
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 4: He's going to be cheaper, reliable.

1057
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: Well, he's also had injury issues, but nothing as severe

1058
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: as Max Crosby. Mass Crosseby I think has had like

1059
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: seven surgeries the last like six years or something.

1060
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 4: Didn't he just have his meniscus removed or something he

1061
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 4: had to repair he had to repair.

1062
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: They initially said it was a clean up, and then

1063
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: I was like, no, this is like a full on repair.

1064
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: Doctor new Latrosh did a full on moniscous repair, all right,

1065
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: And I think this is like the second or third

1066
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: knee knee surgery he's had. So Trey Hendrickson is older,

1067
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: he's had his injury history too, but he's going to

1068
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: be cheaper and we don't have to give up two

1069
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: first round picks for him.

1070
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 4: And he's with a much better organization he's coming from

1071
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: than the Raiders.

1072
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: No, of course that Yeah, when I think of the

1073
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: bashes of consistency and winning, I think of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1074
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 4: That's what I'm sorry. Who was it a super Bowl

1075
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: more recently and probably should have won.

1076
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: It have to do with anything.

1077
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: Last time I saw the Raiders of the Super Bowl,

1078
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 4: they had they had it. Okay, I'm done here.

1079
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: They gave you the look. The last time I saw

1080
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: the Paths in the Super Bowl, they lost both of them.

1081
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: If you man, so what are we talking about here?

1082
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1083
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 4: Right, why what are we talking about? You're the one

1084
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 4: to pivot it talking about Super Bowl appearance? Okay, no

1085
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: mistakes were made, Yeah, they were just like with the

1086
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 4: Ravens even thinking about Max Crossby mistake.

1087
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: So I think it's a combination of Tree Hendrickson was available,

1088
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: they saw his medicals and a wandering eye. It's verified

1089
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: that they actually consulted with the Cowboys team draw a

1090
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: doctor and a couple of other doctors who looked at

1091
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: his scans, and why.

1092
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: Would they get the Cowboys doctor involved? Well, these guys

1093
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 4: are the Cowboys. Doctors gonna be like, yeah, these jack

1094
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 4: you don't want this guy, and then they sneak in

1095
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 4: and try to get him.

1096
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: Now, all this sounds like the Cowboys that wouldn't have

1097
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: no interest. Now, now they traded for Sir Rashaun Gary

1098
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: from the Packers. So a couple of other medical people

1099
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: shared the same concerns that the Baltimore Ravens medical staff had.

1100
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: So they say, well, look, the guys kind of damaged

1101
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: goods to a degree. I don't know how long of

1102
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 2: a runway he has. Even though he's twenty eight, he's

1103
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: not old. He's in the prime of his career, and

1104
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: if he's going to deteriorate quickly, maybe it's worth nix

1105
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: in the trade, bringing in Trey Hendrickson and keeping our

1106
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: two second round our two first round picks.

1107
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: I can certainly understand the rationale.

1108
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 4: Alsdrick Son's what three years older, He's thirty one, He's

1109
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 4: thirty one, Max's twenty eight. Now, whether or not it

1110
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 4: was shady business practices on Baltimore's part, which it sounds

1111
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 4: like a lot of NFL for an office, people are

1112
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: saying sure, and they say they have a history of

1113
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: doing things like this or not being on the up

1114
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 4: and up when it comes to negotiations and contracts. So

1115
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 4: we got to ask Mike Jones about that.

1116
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Mike Jones, by the way, has worked in

1117
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: the DMV area out there in Washington, d C covered

1118
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: the commanders for a while, so we knows the Baltimore

1119
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: Ravens knows the Washington commanders really really well. So we'll

1120
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: be able to give us some insight that maybe we

1121
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: don't have. But I do think both arguments are plausible. Now,

1122
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: if you're asking me which one do I think is

1123
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: the most legit, I think it's the fact that Hendrickson

1124
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: was available. If Frey Henderson had signed with somebody else

1125
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 2: on the first waiver free agency, I think even despite

1126
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: being nervous about whatever they saw in the scans, they

1127
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: probably would have done it, or they would have told

1128
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: the Raiders we got to do like.

1129
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 4: A one and a two. We can't do two ones

1130
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 4: or something. We have to revise the deal. Okay. So

1131
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 4: the Ravens saw a better option out there they didn't

1132
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 4: think would be available, and they got out. And by

1133
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 4: the way, that's fine because it's not illegal.

1134
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: Noct until pen on pen is to put the paper

1135
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: and the dealer is actually consummated, then the deal ain't done.

1136
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: This is why the dealings. It could be looked at

1137
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: his bad business or shady business, and maybe that hurts

1138
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 4: them down the line dealing with.

1139
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: Teams, but I think it will. But I'll want you

1140
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: know why twenty.

1141
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 4: Four to seven news cycle, Like, I don't think anyone's

1142
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 4: gonna remember it that one the Raiders will, the Raiders will, Okay, No,

1143
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: we can't make trades for Raiders players anymore. Isn't this awful?

1144
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 4: They won't deal with us.

1145
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: The thing is, it's like it's like, oh, it's bad

1146
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: business practice. And by the way, again, this has been

1147
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: talked about what the Baltimore ratings for a couple of

1148
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: years now. But ultimately, if you're an agent, if you're

1149
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: a player, you're trying to get paid and make the

1150
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: best deal you can for yourself.

1151
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 4: So I'll pay that to me and his money.

1152
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: So if if let's say, if Max Crosby's agent has

1153
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 2: a client who wants to sign with Baltimore because they're

1154
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: going to offer him the most money, which, by the way,

1155
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: is gonna pay the agency the most money because of

1156
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: you know, based on that, are they gonna say, nah,

1157
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: because you screwed over Max Crawls four years ago, That's

1158
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 2: not gonna happen.

1159
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 4: There's too much entanglement with agents. And we talk about

1160
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 4: this with the Lakers. They can't just do Lebron James

1161
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 4: dirty because they think it would be better for the

1162
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 4: organization overall. Because Rich Paul I think represents like seventeen

1163
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 4: percent of the league at this point. Yes, with clutch clients,

1164
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: So no, you have to treat everybody well out there.

1165
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand why Raider fans will be upset and

1166
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: team executive people will be because if you're the Raiders,

1167
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: you spend all this money in free agency, like hundreds

1168
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars, thinking that you were going to

1169
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: get two additional first round picks and have Max Crosby

1170
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: salary off the books, and now that's not the case now.

1171
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: Thankfully for them, they had so much money under the

1172
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: cap that they were able to absorb Max Crosby's salary

1173
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: back into after and didn't have to renege on any

1174
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: of the agreements that they made with any of the

1175
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: free agents.

1176
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 4: They were still thirty million under the cap. More so,

1177
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: even now bringing Max Crosby back in, I think there's

1178
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 4: still like fifty million.

1179
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: Under the cap.

1180
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: So even though the Ravens asked for that refund, give me,

1181
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 4: it's fine. The thing I would be more concerned about

1182
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: if I'm a Raiders fan, though, is just if everybody

1183
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 4: gets cold feet. Now, if nobody would be interested and

1184
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: the value you get back for him is much lower

1185
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: to one first round pick because there's so much scrutiny

1186
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 4: about his health and his track record there.

1187
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think in one sense, the ball's kind of

1188
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: in their court on that, because remember they never wanted

1189
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: to trade him. He and all the reporting is he

1190
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: quietly asked Mark Davis to be traded, didn't want it

1191
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: to be made public, wanted to make sure that the

1192
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: he saved face, that the organization say face. Yet even

1193
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: when he did get traded quote unquote, it didn't actually happen,

1194
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: said all the most positive things about the Raiders and

1195
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: the organization, and then now the reporting is they don't

1196
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: even want to trade him. They're just welcoming back with

1197
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: open arms.

1198
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 4: And how is he feeling about this?

1199
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: He sounded tweet and in his tweet he says, happy

1200
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: to be back with Rader Nation.

1201
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially what he said. I was

1202
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 4: just playing, y'all. I loved it here. We're gonna win

1203
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: five games this year. I didn't he say something else

1204
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: that like, I think it had something to do with

1205
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 4: his sobriety, and it was.

1206
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 3: He reached out to be League six years of sobriety.

1207
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: I believe it was.

1208
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 4: And the trade was mixed on the anniversary of his sobriety,

1209
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: and he said, God makes no mistakes, and he thinks

1210
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 4: this is the universe telling him something and maybe he

1211
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: is supposed to be a Raider.

1212
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: Still his exact tweet from a couple of days ago.

1213
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: Everything happens for a reason. Believe nothing you hear in

1214
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: half of what you see. I'm a Raider. I'm back.

1215
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: Run that bleep with a emoji of an eagle of

1216
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: basically the Raider's flag and an animated gift of the

1217
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: Undertaker coming out of a flaming casket.

1218
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: Okay, that goes hard.

1219
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 4: It sounds like a guy who's pretty committed to me

1220
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: to coming back to the team. That's exactly the gift

1221
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 4: Raider fans want to see. Yeah, it's just they are

1222
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 4: fine with that. That's a dead man's back. So I

1223
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 4: feel the rads you're not going to give him away.

1224
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: Look, if someone else calls back and says, we'll give

1225
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 2: you two number ones, then maybe they re engage in.

1226
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 2: And I think they would talk to Max and say, hey,

1227
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: do you want to go to Arizona?

1228
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: And you probably say bleep no. He's like, hey, all right,

1229
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 4: makes sense to us. So he doesn't have some no

1230
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: trade clause or anything like that. They were just saying,

1231
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 4: this is mutually beneficial for both of us. You want

1232
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 4: to go somewhere else. Baltimore is offering a lot, But

1233
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: technically they could send him anywhere.

1234
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: They could absolutely, but they're not going to do that,

1235
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 2: you know. And there's an also an element of he's

1236
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: not like he's a bad player. He's one of the

1237
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: best pass rushers. He won not even pass Rusher. He's

1238
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: one of the most complete defensive ends in the entire league.

1239
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 4: And he's the type of guy that he doesn't rest

1240
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 4: on his laurels. He goes hard. He's just a beast

1241
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 4: out there. He's an animal. You don't have to worry

1242
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 4: about him being a malcontent or not putting in the work.

1243
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 4: If he degrades as a player, it's simply because his

1244
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: body is betraying him, not because he doesn't practice hard

1245
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 4: or do everything in his power to be the best

1246
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 4: version of himself.

1247
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: Well then just think of it.

1248
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: Now, if you're the Raiders and you brought all these

1249
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: guys in, especially on the defensive side, and a lot

1250
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: of guys are who are interviewed Quity paying a couple

1251
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: of others that they're like, we're looking forward to playing

1252
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: with Max. Now all of a sudden, he's basically the

1253
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: veteran presence in that locker room.

1254
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 3: He's the guy. He's unk.

1255
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 4: He's such a likable guy that I don't think this

1256
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 4: is a situation where anybody would be turned off by

1257
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 4: him wanting out and him having to come back to

1258
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 4: the same life locker room with his tail between his

1259
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 4: legs or anything. They're going to embrace him. He's their leader.

1260
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark Davis never wanted to trade him. He and

1261
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: Mark have a great organ have a great relationship. He

1262
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: was like, look, man, i want to go somewhere where

1263
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: I can win. I'm tired of all the changes. And

1264
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: Mark is like, hey, I get it, you know, and

1265
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: we want you to win too.

1266
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 4: Everyone should get a player wanting to leave the Raiders.

1267
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 4: We all understand that to never be held against.

1268
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: High role that you continue to take shots at the Raiders.

1269
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: Well, look, you started with the jail and Phillips and

1270
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to finish it here with Max. Was all

1271
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 4: a questionable signing, just a lot of money. It is

1272
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 4: g damn it on the low it really is.

1273
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is Max Crosby doesn't end up

1274
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: getting traded and by the one.

1275
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 3: If someone offered me one number one, I don't think

1276
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: I do that either. Just keep them.

1277
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this. Say we're a month into

1278
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 4: the season and the Raiders are zero and four and

1279
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 4: one in three, but Max Crosby has four sacks and

1280
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 4: looks relatively the same as he did last year. Do

1281
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: then you move him to a contender? Can you increase

1282
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 4: his value then and you find a very similar trade

1283
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 4: where he's happy to go to a team that's trying

1284
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 4: to win now and you're happy getting those two first

1285
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 4: round picks you thought you were getting.

1286
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1287
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if he'll get two number ones

1288
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: or not. And if the price drops to one once

1289
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: the season goes, you know, the deeper you get into

1290
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: the season, the less and less time you have on

1291
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: a contract, the less and less valuable.

1292
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you know.

1293
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: So that's the only question. But will they be open

1294
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: to trading him if the season falls off the rails?

1295
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: I think so. But he also being plugged into this

1296
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: defense with all this talent that they just signed. And

1297
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: if Ernanda Mendoza actually plays well, assuming he starts from

1298
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 2: day one or gets you know, starts for the team

1299
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: and maybe they're in the playoff hunt in like November

1300
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: or something, then all of a sudden you keep him around.

1301
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 4: Okay, he's part of that. He's being a veteran presence.

1302
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: Here's the question, quiz, hotshot, what would be viewed as

1303
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 4: a successful season for the Las Vegas Raiders in twenty

1304
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 4: twenty six?

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00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: What would I would say that entail sixcess? I would

1306
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: say between I would say six wins. Okay, six to

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00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 2: seven wins. You get six to seven wins. I think

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00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: that's considered.

1309
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: Those looks like he can be an NFL quarterback.

1310
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 3: He takes his lumps, but he looks like he can play.

1311
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 3: You know.

1312
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think that's realistic, you know,

1313
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: considering the division that they play into. If they played

1314
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: in the worst division, I'd say like, hey, you know,

1315
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: there's a worse the first element. The New England Patriots

1316
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: signed all these players last offseason and got to the

1317
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. But I just don't having to leap frog

1318
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: the Broncos, the Chiefs, and the Chargers.

1319
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 4: That's a tall task that's not gonna happen. Six wins

1320
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 4: in the AFC West is like ten wins in the

1321
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: NFC South. Yeah, that's what it's like there. It's a

1322
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 4: blood bath, it is.

1323
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: It really is.

1324
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: So I I was optimistic and looking forward to getting

1325
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: those additional draft picks to help accelerate the rebuild. But

1326
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: you can still rebuild, and they've already started it. We'll

1327
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: bringing all the freegents they signed are all young. These

1328
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: guys are all like twenty five, twenty six, so they're

1329
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: all guys who can grow in the defense. MaTx Crosby.

1330
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: As we mentioned, I know he's banged up, but he's

1331
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: only twenty eight, so it could end up being whereas

1332
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: Miniscus ends up being fine. We've seen this happen before.

1333
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: Oh Yeahreeze failed his physical with the Miami Dolphins, went

1334
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: to the New Orleans Saints and became a Hall of Famer.

1335
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 4: You know, so Alsby thinks there is a reason for this.

1336
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 4: You know, God doesn't make mistakes. Everything happens for a reason.

1337
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 4: I also think there's an element of him where he

1338
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 4: would love to make it work with the Raiders because

1339
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 4: he embodies being a Raider.

1340
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: He has a Raider tattoo.

1341
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: He even said when he thought he was being traded

1342
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: he wanted to finish his career with the Raiders.

1343
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 4: So it's in his heart and the fan base feels

1344
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 4: the same way about him. It makes is he the

1345
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 4: best I don't know about best defender, best front seven guys?

1346
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 4: It's like Howie Long, am I missing somebody that really

1347
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 4: is you know, Eyeblacks, Spikes, piss and Vinegar, that type

1348
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 4: of player that really has the character and makeup of

1349
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 4: a Raider. If he hadn't passed away so early, Darrol

1350
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 4: Russell would have been then. Yes, Sarah Russell was phenomenal.

1351
00:57:58,920 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 4: I got sacked by him a lot.

1352
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: I'm sure you did. You a bunch of you and

1353
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 3: a bunch of other people.

1354
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, from that standpoint, yeah, the defensive ferocity, someone

1355
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: who want bodies.

1356
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 4: They're like the quote unquote Raiders spirit bad boy.

1357
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1358
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: And it's crazy because it's like he's not like getting

1359
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: arrested off the field and doing a bunch of crazy stuff,

1360
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: but it's like he has the look, but he doesn't

1361
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: actually have all of the off field crap that comes

1362
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: with it.

1363
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 4: He's sober, like you make Barrett Robbins. He's a mad man, right,

1364
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 4: he turns it on on the field. And then when

1365
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 4: the Barrett Robbins had problems, I don't do the full extent

1366
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 4: of issues.

1367
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 3: And we know he was bipolar for sure.

1368
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I, for one, as a Raider fan, I'm

1369
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: actually happy that Max is back. There's also an element

1370
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: of a bird in the hand situation too. We can

1371
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 2: all get it excited about draft picks and all that stuff.

1372
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: I've talked about the Khalil Max trade and you trade

1373
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: two number one or trade him for two ones?

1374
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 3: And what does it turn into? And where are you?

1375
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1376
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: You know, so I know what the known commodity is

1377
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: of Max Crosby. When he's healthy, he's one of the

1378
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: best defensive players in the league. Uh, the fourteenth overall

1379
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: pick this year, and god knows what next year's first round.

1380
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: Picked the Ravens is gonna be. I have no idea.

1381
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually kind of excited for you, honestly. Now,

1382
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 4: can you be excited about Jail and Phillips going to

1383
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 4: the Panthers for me?

1384
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 3: You know what? Why not? Why do you guys have

1385
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: to lose?

1386
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 4: You know, you're we holding up the blue and red

1387
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 4: zerags that are tied together an athlete truce.

1388
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: We've reached a truce.

1389
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 4: Look at us. The signing could have been worse, I'll

1390
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 4: put it that way. What's the old Paul Rudd? Look

1391
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 4: at us? Who would have thought, Kevin? Who would have thought?

1392
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 11: Here?

1393
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 4: What you and I could partner up? Isn't this beautiful?

1394
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 4: I just I love it?

1395
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: Speaking of beautiful, does a beautiful job covering the NFL

1396
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: for the Athletic His name is Mike Jones.

1397
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 4: Jos.

1398
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: Yes, he's gonna come on and talk about the Max

1399
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 2: Crosby trade that wasn't, as well as all of the

1400
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: big moves in NFL free agency that is coming up

1401
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: next FNA.

1402
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 7: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

1403
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 7: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio

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00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 7: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to

1405
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 7: listen live.

1406
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: Maybe you and I could partner up FNA.

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 4: Cotton, It is f and A on fsr's Kevin Figers.

1408
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 4: I'm Ada Moslin. Remember with the iHeart app, you can

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Speaker 4: every day, and be sure to select Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 4: as one of your presets in the iHeart app so

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01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 4: it always pops up at the top of your screen. Again,

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Speaker 4: just search Fox Sports Radio in the iHeart App.

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Speaker 2: Come up next hour here on Fox Sports Radio. One

1418
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: of the biggest proponents of the three point shot now

1419
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: says it's ruining the game of basketball.

1420
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 8: But is it.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that coming up. That's next hour here

1422
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: on FNA on FSR. Bor right now we want to

1423
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: talk some NFL free agency. A lot of signings, a

1424
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: lot of impact signings happening this past week, the opening

1425
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: our free agency, of course, one of the busiest weeks

1426
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: in the NFL all season, and Adam, we have one

1427
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: of the great experts on to talk about it with us.

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01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 4: Let's go Alan Dragan did thank you, Goddy Well join

1429
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 4: the show right now. Is Mike Jones not the one

1430
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 4: that made the game saving tackle for the Rams in

1431
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 4: Super Bowl thirty four, nor will he give out his number?

1432
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 4: I think on the air like another Mike Jones did once.

1433
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 4: But this Mike Jones is about to blow to and

1434
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 4: we're all on him. He's one of the reasons I

1435
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 4: subscribe to The Athletic where he covers the NFL. Follow

1436
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 4: him at by Mike Jones. Hello Mike Jones, thanks for

1437
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 4: joining us here on f and A on FSR.

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01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 6: Hey you guys doing thanks for having me.

1439
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 3: We're good.

1440
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 2: First off, before we get to the football, I gotta

1441
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: cover the elephant in the room how many times? And

1442
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can count on more than fifty thousand hands.

1443
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: Has people giving you or joked with you about the

1444
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: whole Mike Jones from h town.

1445
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: How often do you get that?

1446
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's quite a bit. It hasn't died yet. Lamar

1447
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 6: Jackson's done it, Mike McDaniel's done it. And you know

1448
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 6: those were on camera when those were the two days

1449
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 6: out of the last several years that my kids thought

1450
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 6: I was cool, you know, And but it happens quite

1451
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 6: a bit still.

1452
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 4: Do you got the two eight one area.

1453
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 3: Code number two out in BC?

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01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: You can make that work too, Mike, Thanks for doing

1455
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 4: this again. Let's get into it. I want to start

1456
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 4: with Max Crosby and what happened there with the Ravens

1457
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 4: and the Raiders. Was this just about a physical they

1458
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 4: get cold feet? Did they just have better options out there?

1459
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 4: Why the Ravens go this route?

1460
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know if we'll ever know the

1461
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 6: full story. It does sound like.

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01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 8: That they.

1463
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 6: Knew obviously that he wasn't going to be one hundred

1464
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 6: at this time. Uh, they had done research.

1465
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 8: Uh.

1466
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 6: They were multiple doctors that had seen his MRI and

1467
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 6: some people that had some concerns, but they were still

1468
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 6: okay with it until their doctors had some concerns about

1469
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 6: the long term, according to multiple reports, and those doctors

1470
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 6: agreed with you know, some of the well renowned doctors

1471
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 6: that had some concerns, and ultimately they felt like, hey,

1472
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 6: he'll be okay for right now, but the questions of

1473
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 6: the long term, we don't want to give up two

1474
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 6: first round picks like this, and I do think that

1475
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 6: they're probably was a little bit of maybe kicking the

1476
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 6: tires and realizing, hey, we can get Trey Hendrickson without

1477
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 6: these injury concerns without having to give up two first

1478
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 6: round picks. So since we have these reservations, let's go

1479
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 6: in a different direction. And it's a bad look, but

1480
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 6: they were fully within the framework of the league rules,

1481
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 6: and you know, they again they get a top flight

1482
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 6: pass rusher without having to give up those first round picks,

1483
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 6: and we'll see if it winds up paying off for them.

1484
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 6: But it was definitely mind blowing. I saw the message

1485
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 6: now that this is gotta be ai, this isn't real,

1486
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 6: and sure enough, it really was. The Raiders official handle.

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01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: You know, now, you've been in the DMV area for

1488
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 2: a long period of time, so I'm sure you know

1489
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens organization well, and there's been a lot

1490
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: of speculation that like, oh, this is something that Baltimore

1491
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: does all the time where people question Eric Tacosta and

1492
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 2: business practices when it comes to this sort of thing,

1493
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: which kind of flies in the face of public perception

1494
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 2: because they thought of as one of the best franchises

1495
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 2: front offices really in all of sports, let alone.

1496
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 3: Of the NFL.

1497
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: Just in your dealings and talking to people around the

1498
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: league and knowing the area the way that you do.

1499
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: Is this something that's consistent with how Baltimore operates or

1500
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 2: is that something that people who just have a griper

1501
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,479
Speaker 2: kind of making up and throwing out there.

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01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 6: No. I mean, I know that there have been several

1503
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 6: times where they had players that they had agreed to

1504
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 6: terms with and then the player got there and they

1505
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 6: didn't pass their physical and the player was very caught

1506
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 6: off guard by that and a little bit confused over that.

1507
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 6: But they are a conservative franchise, and so that's why

1508
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 6: offering up the two first round picks, that's something they'd

1509
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,479
Speaker 6: never done before, and that's why that was a little

1510
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 6: bit surprising to people that they were going to go

1511
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 6: with that way. The fact that they wound up backing

1512
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 6: out and not even though it was shocking, it kind

1513
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 6: of was like, Okay, yeah, this is how this is

1514
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 6: more like the Ravens that we know. Again, you know,

1515
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 6: Eric DaCosta explained it. Hey, I've got a responsibility to organization.

1516
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 6: He says he was gutted or whatever. Bad look, but

1517
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 6: they are more conservative doing so. I think throwing the

1518
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 6: two first round picks was them acting out a character

1519
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 6: more so than them.

1520
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 2: Backing out of the trade was Since we're talking about

1521
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: the Ravens too, the Lamar Jackson contract situation right out

1522
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: of time to extend them. So they adjusted his contract,

1523
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 2: accelerated his signing bonus. But essentially he's going to have

1524
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: a really high cap number going into next season. I

1525
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: think the assumption is on all sides want to be

1526
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 2: able to reach a contract extension. Is just what the

1527
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: terms of that contract extension look like. Do you think

1528
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 2: it's out of the realm of possibility that this time

1529
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: next year that Lamar Jackson will not be a Baltimore

1530
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: Raven strictly because there's an impass when it comes to numbers, compensation,

1531
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: et cetera.

1532
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 6: He's got a lot of leverage now for sure. You

1533
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 6: know they need him to play ball and have some

1534
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 6: give them some leeway cap wise with that big cap number.

1535
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 6: I think, you know, we'll see what happens this year.

1536
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 6: This is very much a kind of a wait and

1537
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 6: see how his relationship with the new head coach, jesse

1538
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 6: mentor is what the success looks like, because that's the big,

1539
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 6: big question you've had, you know, a change. It's the

1540
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 6: first time that he's playing for a different head coach.

1541
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 6: It's a defensive minded coach, and you know, they'll see

1542
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 6: they got a young offensive coordinator. So what does Lamar

1543
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 6: think of the organization after this year with them? That

1544
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 6: will kind of tell the story of whether he winds

1545
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 6: up being here and and agrees to a more team

1546
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 6: friendly cap number, or if they wind up having to

1547
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 6: figure something out and move on from him. But I

1548
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 6: think they want to get something worked out. It just

1549
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 6: hasn't quite happened yet.

1550
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 4: Mike Jones is our guest here on f and A

1551
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 4: on FSR. So what happens with the Raiders? How screwed

1552
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 4: are they with Max Crosby? Is nobody going to trade

1553
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 4: for him now? Or are they going to get significantly less?

1554
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 4: Do they end up moving him? Yeah?

1555
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 6: Well I think that there were teams that called, but

1556
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 6: they were not in you know, not receptive to the

1557
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 6: idea of parting with him at a discounted rate. They

1558
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 6: wanted to get the similar kind of compensations that they

1559
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 6: were going to get from Baltimore, you know, and it's

1560
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 6: an awkward situation. Max Crosby, though, says, hey, you know,

1561
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 6: they say that they don't have any intention of trading him. Now,

1562
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 6: he says, you're the NFL. You know that the Raiders

1563
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 6: are going to get the best version of him in

1564
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, is going to be a man on

1565
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 6: a mission. We'll see if that really actually winds up happening.

1566
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 6: It's kind of hard to envision somebody meeting that asking

1567
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 6: price now, especially if they know that it wasn't just Baltimore.

1568
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 6: There were multiple doctors that looked at that had some questions,

1569
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 6: and so I know Dallas was a team that was

1570
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 6: sniffing around. They said they're out, and so it looks

1571
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 6: like they're gonna wind up having to figure out how

1572
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 6: to make this thing work well.

1573
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 2: Sticking with the Raiders because they went out and spent

1574
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 2: a whole lot of money, and thankfully for them, I

1575
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 2: guess they had so much money under the cap that

1576
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 2: they were able to make good on all of the

1577
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: agreements before the actual signing period opened and still except

1578
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: Max Crosby's contract back onto their books. A lot of

1579
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 2: people lauding the signing of Linderbaum, obviously from the Baltimore Ravens,

1580
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 2: Naylor from the Minnesota Vikings. Just your thought as the

1581
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 2: free agency process has played out and the Raiders have

1582
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 2: committed so much money to so many free agents and

1583
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: now they're potentially bringing Max Crosby back into the fold.

1584
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 3: Just what do you think the outlooks so far?

1585
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 2: And I know we still have the draft to go,

1586
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: but as far as improvements go, how do you feel

1587
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 2: about the Raiders' roster today as opposed to four days ago.

1588
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wonder if maybe it was a blessing in

1589
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 6: the sky for them, you know, like he said, they

1590
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 6: had so much cap space, you know, coming into this

1591
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 6: year because they just didn't spend, and now because they

1592
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 6: didn't think they were gonna have Max Crosby, they had

1593
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 6: to be aggressive and spend and meet needs and shore

1594
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 6: things up and put that cap space to use. And

1595
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 6: now there maybe looks like they're going to have him

1596
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 6: back and it's a stronger roster than what he had

1597
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 6: played on last year, which sparked the frustrations of wanting

1598
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 6: to be traded. You know, we'll see you're gonna have

1599
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 6: a young rookie quarterback and you need a strong supporting cast,

1600
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 6: and they're working to put that together and it just

1601
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 6: might wind up having a you know, the best pass

1602
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 6: one of the best pass rushers in the league on

1603
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 6: that roster as well.

1604
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 4: Mike, do you like to fit with Kyler Murray going

1605
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 4: and playing under KOC in Minnesota? Is he going to

1606
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 4: have the type of success that we saw with Dan

1607
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 4: Sam Darnold in that one year.

1608
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that the possibility is there.

1609
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 6: You know, Kevin O'Connell is very creative. He under stands quarterbacks.

1610
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 6: He himself was a quarterback. We have seen him play

1611
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 6: a role in Baker Mayfield's uh, you know resurgence and uh,

1612
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 6: Sam Darnold, Uh, you know he was you know, Kirk

1613
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 6: Cousins was there playing at a high level, but he

1614
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 6: had good, you know, numbers of under Kevin O'Connell as well.

1615
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 6: So if there's anybody that can help just really teach,

1616
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 6: uh and fill in the gaps in the mind of

1617
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 6: a quarterback as they you know, view the game and

1618
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 6: approach the game. He is a good guy for that

1619
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 6: job for Kyler Murray. And look, they have not given up.

1620
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,520
Speaker 6: I had talked to somebody at the Combine in the organization,

1621
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,799
Speaker 6: so they haven't given up on JJ McCarthy. They definitely

1622
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 6: wanted a veteran to come in there to compete with him.

1623
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 6: They want to see, you know, JJ McCarthy has been

1624
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 6: working this offseason, how does he come back, what does

1625
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 6: he look like. But they felt like, hey, we've got

1626
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 6: to get a talented veteran, and they get one here

1627
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 6: in Kyler Murray, who you know, has ability. His size

1628
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 6: is a little bit of an issue. But if there's

1629
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 6: somebody that's got the creativity to be able to mask

1630
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 6: those deficiencies with his size and move from around, Kevin

1631
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 6: O'Connell is one of the best guys to do that.

1632
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 6: And so we'll see how this wild winds up playing out.

1633
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 2: Speaking of veteran quarterbacks, a lot of Jet fans, not

1634
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: necessarily the happiest that they reunite with Gino Smith, who

1635
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 2: granted returns to them a better player than he was

1636
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: when he started his career there, which I guess doesn't

1637
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: really say a whole lot, but I guess what other

1638
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 2: options what the Jets have had at quarterback Considering you

1639
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 2: know where they are, They're not going to take a

1640
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 2: quarterback second overall in the draft. There's just nobody who

1641
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 2: warrants that sort of pick. So I think a bridge

1642
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 2: quarterback probably made the most sense. I guess the question is,

1643
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: was Geno Smith the right selection to be that bridge

1644
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 2: guy or should they have maybe gone out and tried

1645
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 2: to see if they could have brought in a guy

1646
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: like a Malik Willis.

1647
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I think for them they

1648
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 6: wanted more of a veteran guy. Milik Willis would have

1649
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 6: been a little bit of a roll of the dice. Yes,

1650
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 6: he has looked good in action with Green Bay, but

1651
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 6: it's very limited action. They have the young guy that

1652
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 6: they went that route with Justin Fields, and that thing

1653
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 6: hasn't panned out. So I think they felt like, hey,

1654
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 6: let's get a guy that's a veteran that that has,

1655
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 6: you know, has familiarity with a lot of defenses that

1656
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 6: he's gone against and has familiarity with our organization. And

1657
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 6: Geno Smith wound up being that guy. Now I think

1658
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 6: that he will wind up being a bridge Yeah, I

1659
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 6: don't I agree with you. They're not going to draft

1660
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 6: somebody second overall, but we'll see if it's somebody that

1661
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 6: they take, you know, in later rounds or whatever. But

1662
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 6: he's a steady guy. There's still a lot of questions

1663
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 6: about everything else around him. But you know the other

1664
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,879
Speaker 6: guys who are out there, Kirk Cousins, you know, Russell Wilson.

1665
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 6: I mean, there's just I don't know that those guys

1666
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 6: who are at that advanced stage of their career will

1667
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 6: want to go somewhere that wasn't close to contending, And

1668
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 6: so they get Geno Smith, you know, by trade, and

1669
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 6: it's he's got some ties to the organization and for him,

1670
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 6: he sounds like he's eager to try to take care

1671
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 6: of and finished business and we'll see how it plays out.

1672
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 4: NFL writer for The Athletic Mike Jones is our guest

1673
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 4: here on Fox Sports Radio. Mike, what is Kenneth Walker

1674
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 4: going to Kansas City signify to you? Could this be

1675
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 4: a little bit of a change in philosophy and putting

1676
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 4: less pressure on Patrick Mahomes coming off the ACL and

1677
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 4: maybe just leaning into the run game some more.

1678
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 6: Well, I mean they've wanted to have a better run

1679
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 6: game for a while now, but they've been doing it

1680
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 6: when the cheap they've you know, signed kind of you know,

1681
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 6: older guys at Kareem Hunt and you know kind of

1682
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 6: you know, some some mid round guys. Now they went

1683
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 6: out and really in free agency, got a talented back

1684
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 6: obviously the Super Bowl MVP, and it's like they realize, Okay, look,

1685
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 6: we've been trying to get by with young guys with

1686
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 6: draft picks whatever. We need an established veteran that's going

1687
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 6: to come in here and really own this position. And so,

1688
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 6: you know, it will definitely help their offense whenever, even

1689
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 6: when Mahomes is there, they wanted to be able to

1690
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 6: run the ball. You got to be able to run

1691
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 6: the football, especially in those cold weather months. And so

1692
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 6: this is their attempt to try to become more well rounded.

1693
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 6: And I'm curious to see what else they do as

1694
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 6: far as skill position guys, you know, pass catchers, because

1695
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 6: those are still some needs that they have on that offense.

1696
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we mentioned the Raiders and all the moves that

1697
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: they made to improve their roster. Or is there another

1698
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 2: team just overall and from a macro standpoint that you

1699
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 2: feel had a really great opening or free agency to

1700
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 2: really improve some holes in their roster.

1701
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 3: Does any other team.

1702
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 2: Stand out to you or is there just one major

1703
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 2: move that they stand out to you?

1704
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 6: No, I mean it's still early, but you know, I

1705
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,520
Speaker 6: think that the Titans did a good job of revamping,

1706
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 6: you know, and really kind of retool that roster. I

1707
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 6: think Washington really met some needs on their defensive side

1708
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 6: of the ball, and then also at running back with

1709
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 6: Shad White, you know. And again we've seen the top

1710
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 6: names come off, but sometimes the most important signings are

1711
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 6: these second tier guys, guys that really strengthened the core

1712
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 6: of your your roster. And so it's going to be

1713
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 6: interesting to see how the rest of these rosters are

1714
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 6: filled out between now with these second tier guys and

1715
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 6: the draft. But for some of those teams that really

1716
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 6: had needs that they had to fill, I thought that

1717
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 6: Tennessee and Washington were two that really helped themselves.

1718
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 4: Last one for me, Mike, what do you think about

1719
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 4: tuatungue Iloa pushing in the quarterback battle? Michael Pennix a

1720
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 4: little bit in Atlanta now with Kevin Stefanski. Is that

1721
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 4: the type of offense where he could also drive?

1722
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 6: I think so there are similarities to his offense and

1723
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 6: what he is. He was under Gary Kubiak in Minnesota

1724
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,799
Speaker 6: and he brought it to Cleveland, and uh Tua played

1725
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 6: under another Mike Shanahan disciple and Mike McDaniel, so there's

1726
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 6: going to be some similarities there. Also. The other thing

1727
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 6: is you got two left handed quarterbacks in Pennix and Tua,

1728
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 6: so you don't having to re flip everything when you're

1729
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 6: back up comes. It's curious to me because Michael Pennix

1730
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Speaker 6: Junior is not a durable guy too, is not a

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01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 6: durable guy. So we'll see how that plays out with

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Speaker 6: the two of them. But if you're getting a veteran,

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01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 6: that's kind of you know to you know, if you

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 6: take the concussions out of it. A lot of talent

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01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 6: evaluators I talked to said he was probably one of

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01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 6: the best quarterbacks on the market. So the fact that

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Speaker 6: they were able to get him as an insurance policy

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Speaker 6: to either compete or hold that fort down while Penix

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01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 6: continues to rehab was a good get for the Falcons.

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Speaker 2: He is Mike Jones Cover is the NFL senior NFL

1741
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 2: writer for the Athletic, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Mike, thanks so much for the time. Man, greatly appreciate it.

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01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 6: Thanks. Have a good one.

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01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 4: There he goes my jobs. I love that guy.

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01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 2: Oh, he's great. Got to bring him back. Got to

1746
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 2: see if he has some bars too. I mean he

1747
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 2: has a high standard to have to follow there with

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: Mike Jones.

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01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

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01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 4: Hey, I was listening to some Mike Jones earlier. Oh

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01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 4: are you turning heads right? It's a great song.

1752
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, not Mike Jones. That still works all right?

1753
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 7: Uh?

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01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 4: Coming up next? What works well? Apparently not having a

1755
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 4: strip club night at an NBA arena that was supposed

1756
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 4: to be Monday. It got canceled.

1757
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 3: You could work the poll, just not here.

1758
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 4: He ain't gotta go home. He just can't be here.

1759
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 4: Adam Silver put the Kebash on Atlanta's Magic City Night.

1760
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 4: We have some thoughts on that coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Yarn, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 3: E F and A.

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Speaker 2: Cotton back in on FSR, Kevin Figures Adam Austin with

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Speaker 2: you guys here on Fox Sports Radio at k FIG

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01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 2: one is where you can find me on X.

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01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 3: Adam is that follow Adam a on X?

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 4: Coming up we'll talk about possible significant changes to the

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01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 4: National Basketball Association, at least according to one GM and

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01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 4: very popular front office man.

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01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd say so.

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01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 4: I think the commissioner picks up when he calls, He

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01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 4: takes his phone, calls, swings a pretty big stick. I mean,

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01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 4: I know the commissioner called him a few years ago

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01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 4: with a certain suite from this front office man. Well,

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01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 4: we'll talk about that, but quickly here Kevin. Yeah, speaking

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01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 4: of the commission Yeah, the commissioner, why is he.

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01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 3: Trying to ruin Rob Parker's fun gold on?

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 4: It is Rob Parker's funning commion. I thought this story

1779
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 4: was made up just for Rob Parker to take the

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01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 4: bait and get a flight out to Atlanta, because I

1781
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 4: don't know, is he like the Minister of Culture of

1782
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 4: Magic City?

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01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean just they have Magic City

1784
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 3: Monday on the couple.

1785
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 4: Come on now they do? Yes, that's real. Yes, absolutely,

1786
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,919
Speaker 4: that's what Atlanta was trying to do with the Hawks

1787
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 4: have a Magic City Monday game. It was supposed to

1788
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 4: be happening. Walked at him, give it five or ten

1789
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 4: years maybe where they were just early, not wrong, just

1790
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 4: for early.

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01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 2: Feel like five or ten years from now is probably

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01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: still gonna be considered somewhat unsightly to have, whether or

1793
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: not people are actually stripping or anything. You know what

1794
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: the organization is and what they represent and what it's

1795
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 2: supposed to be a family friendly atmosphere at an NBA game.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you. My problem with it is you're

1797
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 4: trying to make it vanilla when if you're saying it's

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01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 4: Magic City Mondays for the Atlanta Hawks, and you're supposed

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Speaker 4: to celebrate this institution that is a strip club, but

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01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 4: also it serves Lemon Pepper Wings and are then there

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01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 4: were old renowned wings there. We know, yeah, they interest

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01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 4: going for the chicken breasts there, Kevin.

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01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 2: That's what Lou Williams said, who said he left the

1804
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 2: bubble just to go get him some wings again and

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01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 2: it came right back.

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01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 4: This is the equivalent of saying I only look at

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 4: Playboy for the articles.

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01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 3: You don't.

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01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 4: Does it well? First of all, it's probably all online now,

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01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 4: I have no idea. I'm a hustler guy. No bagems

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01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 4: uh perfect.

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01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 3: Back in the day, if you.

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Speaker 4: Were saying it's Magic City Monday. Ultimately, how are all

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01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 4: the families supposed to be like? Oh, son, this is

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01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 4: what this this this event is about. This is what

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01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 4: we're celebrating.

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01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 3: And that was that I brought up.

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01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 2: Even if you're not talking about you know this it

1819
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 2: being a strip club because there was selling sweatshirts and

1820
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 2: merchant doing all these giveaways. Yeah, as seven year old says, so, Dad,

1821
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 2: what's Magic City?

1822
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 3: What is he supposed to tell him?

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01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 4: You know that tells So it's all bs, like we're

1824
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 4: gonna we're gonna dance around and tiptoe around the part

1825
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 4: where what we're actually celebrating is a strip club. Like

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Speaker 4: if you're gonna do it, do it, show it and

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01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 4: do it. If you're gonna do it, do it, go

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Speaker 4: full board.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that was who did Kansas Midnight Madness? Was

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01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: that Luda Or was a Snoop and they.

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01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 4: Asked chipper poles come down and there was money ranging

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01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 4: from the ceiling. I forgot it.

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Speaker 3: It was one of them, and I forget.

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01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to. It was a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: I don't wanted to besmirch the name of either of

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01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: them because I love Snoop Dogg and Ludacris. But one

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01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 2: of them did a whole midnight madness, and I think

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01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 2: it was at the University of Kansas and they had

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01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 2: a whole thing with chripper poles and money coming down.

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01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 4: Okay, well with this I brought up these two worlds

1841
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 4: should not be colliding. Yeah, because one one place establishment

1842
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 4: you have to be. And of course there's an Atlanta

1843
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 4: commercial with the FX show on right now, which was

1844
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 4: a great show. One place you have to be twenty

1845
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 4: one to go to for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 8: The Lord is my ship.

1847
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 4: But you know what I want? The other place you

1848
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 4: can bring your babies, right, you can bring your kids,

1849
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 4: your toddlers. How do you make those two things coexist?

1850
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 4: Crossover ven diagram?

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01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 3: You don't.

1852
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 4: But then somebody else brought this up. Well, you have

1853
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,799
Speaker 4: to be a certain age to bet. And the NBA

1854
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:05,480
Speaker 4: is fine with having all these gambling gamified gambling companies

1855
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,759
Speaker 4: and being in bed with them, so to speak.

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01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: Sure, gambling is different than stripping, I think. I think

1857
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of a lot of demarcation there.

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Speaker 4: That's the greatest thing we've done on this show on FSR.

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01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 2: That's right, final hour of fn A on FSR here

1860
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Saturday at KFIG one where you can

1861
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 2: find me on x Adam is that follow Adam a

1862
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 2: on Nex. Thanks again to Mike Jones of the Athletic

1863
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 2: Hopping on talking to some NFL free agency with us.

1864
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 4: Last hour at by Mike Jones is where you find

1865
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 4: him on the Twitter and to the Twitter. We're gonna

1866
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 4: talk more serious subjects with the NBA in just a moment.

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01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 4: You guys can weigh in on those eight seven seven

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01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 4: ninety nine on Fox is the phone number.

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01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: But you have one more thing you want to chime

1870
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 2: in when it came to the NBA, and you just

1871
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 2: can't get Magic City out of your mind.

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01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 3: Huh.

1873
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 4: Mostly I just want to play all the sound bites

1874
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 4: we have in the system relating to this story. You

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 4: said thirty two b you say yummy, like I got.

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01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: The whole binders full of women anything else?

1877
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 4: How often are we going to be able to play

1878
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,759
Speaker 4: this stuff? I got tons of stuff playing with your dinghy,

1879
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I got it.

1880
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,799
Speaker 3: All here, and I always just say my finger slipped,

1881
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 3: you know, But I.

1882
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 4: Think we were talking off air here Keviny. She had

1883
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 4: a fat.

1884
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 7: Ass, you know what.

1885
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 4: Not About our experiences at strip clubs, I wish there.

1886
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 2: Would be very few, so at.

1887
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 3: Least from my standpoint, I'll say that.

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01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 4: I know your thoughts on strip clubs. You went there

1889
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 4: one time and you were like, can I just watch

1890
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 4: the Laker game over here? Yeah, that was my cousin's

1891
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 4: bachelor party.

1892
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 3: That's right.

1893
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 4: It'll stop distracting me with your boobs. I'm trying to

1894
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 4: watch the gig.

1895
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 3: That is an absolutely true story.

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01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 8: You know.

1897
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 2: It is strip club out in the I'll just say

1898
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 2: in the South Bay area in southern California was my

1899
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: cousin's bachelor party. The Lakers are playing the Golden State

1900
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 2: Warriors and this is this is the Kobe days whatever.

1901
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 2: It was towards the end of the regular season, and

1902
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 2: it was a pretty big game. And I'm sitting at

1903
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 2: the end of the.

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01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:04,839
Speaker 4: Battle when the Lakers weren't asked correct yes, But you saw.

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01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 2: Some ass that night, though, and someone did come up

1906
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: to me and proposition me about a dance and I

1907
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 2: told them, no, thank you. I didn't say no thanks,

1908
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 2: I'm busy, but that's basically my vibe. I was like, no, thanks,

1909
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 2: appreciating trying to watch Kobe dance with the basketball exactly. Okay,

1910
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 2: this is an important game.

1911
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 3: What kind of sports nerd that I was there?

1912
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 4: You go, hello, beautiful Okay, but now I've probably been

1913
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 4: to a few here and there. Okay, still living the

1914
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 4: bachelor lifestyle. But we were bringing up some good points

1915
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 4: off air, and they need to be repeated for the

1916
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 4: audience here, all.

1917
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 3: Right, refreshment my memory of what I say, because I

1918
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 3: already forgot.

1919
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 4: So, first of all, I want to reiterate something, the

1920
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,799
Speaker 4: entire thing that they were trying to celebrate Magic City

1921
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 4: Night at an Atlanta Hawks game. If you have to

1922
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 4: hide the central theme of what you're celebrating, stripping.

1923
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: From the audience at the game, no, why are we

1924
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: celebrating it to begin with?

1925
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 8: Right?

1926
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it's not family faily enough, we have to

1927
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 4: hide the core of this celebration, the entire point. What

1928
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 4: are we doing?

1929
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,879
Speaker 2: And so I brought up the fact that they announced

1930
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: this about three weeks ago or so, maybe a month ago, definitely,

1931
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 2: And it wasn't until earlier this week that the NBA

1932
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 2: and Adam Silver stepped in and said that you know,

1933
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 2: this is a no go.

1934
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 3: So we're like, what took so long?

1935
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 4: And I was like, Luke Cornett wrote about it at

1936
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 4: least a week right before the NBA mixed it easily

1937
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 4: easily a week before and not k n I c

1938
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,520
Speaker 4: ks Nicks.

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01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 2: So it's like, all right, clearly the right person made

1940
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 2: the right amount of noise that prompted the NBA to

1941
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 2: say we can't do this now. The right person. I

1942
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 2: don't think it was Luke Cornett. I don't think it

1943
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 2: was people screaming online or the fan base. I think

1944
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 2: it was some sort of corporate partner of the NBA. Yes,

1945
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 2: we frowned upon this and said we're not going to

1946
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 2: have this, and at that point in time, that's what.

1947
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: Otherwise the NBA would have mixed this within days or

1948
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 2: a week after this was announced. If it was truly

1949
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 2: appealing to like morals and what fans want and what's

1950
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,719
Speaker 2: family friendly and all that, it would have not taken

1951
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 2: them much time at all.

1952
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 4: They got the temperature in the room, they look to

1953
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 4: see which way the wind was blowing, and what would

1954
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 4: be the more popular decision to make here and how

1955
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 4: much money they might lose, and they said, oh, yeah,

1956
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 4: I guess we can't do this. Uh huh. Otherwise they

1957
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 4: would have gotten rid of it earlier. It wouldn't have

1958
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 4: taken this long. They waited to get the court of

1959
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 4: public opinion and to hear from sponsors. That's all this is.

1960
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 4: They not hit out the pop, no question, with all

1961
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 4: due respect that when you're talking about a strift club

1962
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 4: and celebrating that at a game. And granted I have

1963
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 4: not been to Magic City, and I do hear the

1964
01:26:58,640 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 4: food's really good.

1965
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 2: I do want to get those wings full disclosure. Now,

1966
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 2: granted that sounds like you can DoorDash them, so you

1967
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 2: don't have to set foot in the establishment if you

1968
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 2: don't want to. But I feel like they get they get.

1969
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 2: They get talked about so often. What does the door

1970
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 2: dasher look like that brings.

1971
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 9: Them to you?

1972
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 4: You're so beautiful.

1973
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 2: I feel like at some point in time, when I

1974
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 2: find myself back in the Atlanta area, I gotta get

1975
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 2: those wings.

1976
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 3: I gotta get my handle.

1977
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 4: I would like to try. Look, I would like to go,

1978
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 4: but I'm I'm a man.

1979
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 3: Well we like to go to Atlanta or go to

1980
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 3: Magic City?

1981
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 4: Well, Magic City is in Atlanta? Okay, just asking, that's alright,

1982
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 4: just inquiring, can it be both?

1983
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 3: Acquire reminds you know what I mean?

1984
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 4: So this is a family restaurant, sir, Like it's that

1985
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 4: type of thing. You Okay, you have a son, I

1986
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 4: do you actually can speak to whether or not this

1987
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 4: would be a good idea to bring a kid to

1988
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,759
Speaker 4: a game where you're seeing Magic City all over the place,

1989
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 4: and what are you gonna tell them? No, it's for

1990
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 4: the Magic Kingdom. We're not that far from Disney World.

1991
01:27:59,280 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 4: That's all this is.

1992
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 3: It's just a bunch of women doing a bunch of

1993
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 3: magic tricks, you know. Now, Hell, if you.

1994
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 2: Want to get it, it's like, well, I mean, it

1995
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 2: depends on how you want to like is that a

1996
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 2: complete and total lie?

1997
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 3: It depends what your definition of magic is.

1998
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 4: Okay. The problem, Adhaim is I don't want to have

1999
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 4: to be put in that position.

2000
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 2: Yes, if I take my son, who's not old enough

2001
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 2: now to even ask me what Magic City is, but

2002
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 2: if you were, I don't want to have to be

2003
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 2: in the position to try to tell him what or

2004
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 2: explain to him what Magic City is or isn't. That's

2005
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 2: not something I should have to be able to discuss

2006
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 2: with him in a basketball game.

2007
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 4: So therefore it's inappropriate. Yes, the age issue where one

2008
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 4: place you need to be twenty one to get into

2009
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 4: and the other place no you don't, So why are

2010
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 4: you trying to combine it? Just because I don't know.

2011
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 4: Lanta is having a rough year.

2012
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 2: No, I mean, look, it is part of their I

2013
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 2: don't know, you wanna say culture, identity, whatever. It's a

2014
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 2: part of the city. It's they there for a lot

2015
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 2: of people. It is kind of a piece of pride

2016
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 2: for them. Like it's a big deal point of pride.

2017
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't. That's great. They're like, you could

2018
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,719
Speaker 4: still go there. They're not shutting it down. The NBA

2019
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 4: is not saying we can't have a Magic City within

2020
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,759
Speaker 4: five hundred feet of the Atlanta Hawks Arena.

2021
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: One thing, I how come Magic City can have an

2022
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawks Night and they could do something at Magic

2023
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 2: City for people who are of age who want to

2024
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 2: come in and celebrate the Hawks and have Hawks branded slash,

2025
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 2: you know, Magic City branded gear, and do a whole

2026
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 2: thing and get some players out there. I'm sure players

2027
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 2: are probably probably very very aware and very very.

2028
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 4: Yes, James Harden's in Cleveland, but Jalen Johnson might go,

2029
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, give me some sugar bany.

2030
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 2: Let's just say that might have been a Hawk or

2031
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: two that have made their way through Magic City, probably

2032
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 2: over the course of the last few hours, let alone

2033
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 2: the last few years.

2034
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe that's how Trey Young started to lose

2035
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 4: his hair. He was so stressed out looking at all

2036
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:52,600
Speaker 4: that ass. It's tough to choose who's your favorite. I

2037
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 4: don't know, I just it never made sense. And I

2038
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 4: know it's a cool thing to be, like, what are

2039
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 4: you talking about? This is awesome. I was a little

2040
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 4: bit concerned the other night. I'm there earlier the Clippers

2041
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 4: game and Anthony Edwards didn't have music the last time

2042
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 4: Minnesota was it into a dome against the Clippers warm

2043
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 4: up and I love ann Yeah, early early pregame, so

2044
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 4: this is all fair game. There's no fans in the

2045
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 4: building yet. But he brought his own boombox and his

2046
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 4: own DJ. Yes, and it was kind of awesome. But

2047
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 4: the music wouldn't be appropriate for everyone, obviously, but the

2048
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 4: doors weren't open for fans to come in and for

2049
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 4: the little kids to be there, So it makes sense.

2050
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,759
Speaker 4: It works, and in fact, I think when a kid

2051
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 4: walked by and turned it off.

2052
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 7: Cool.

2053
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody was walking courtside and there was there was

2054
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 4: a little boy there. This this pairing. I'm sorry. As

2055
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 4: much as Atlanta loves Magic City, this this was never

2056
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 4: going to work. As fun as this story is, it

2057
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna work because it was never gonna work. And

2058
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,799
Speaker 4: I don't know how it took this long for the NBA.

2059
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 4: It has to be they were just getting the pulse

2060
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:10,839
Speaker 4: of the people and sponsors.

2061
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent what it was, because otherwise it

2062
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 2: wouldn't have taken this long for them to respond.

2063
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 4: Luke Cornett, you can say he's a square or whatever.

2064
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, being a captain or like a white

2065
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 4: knight and the women don't need his protection or whatever.

2066
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 4: I think he made some points.

2067
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 3: He made some valid points. I agree or disagree with him.

2068
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, and again, if you're talking about a family

2069
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 2: friendly atmosphere, that just doesn't necessarily line up with what

2070
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 2: Magic City generally embodies.

2071
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 4: Now, the NBA has stuff that is unrelated to Magic City.

2072
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 4: Believe it or not, we have to talk about dynam

2073
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 4: about that. It's not as excited.

2074
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 3: It's so fun.

2075
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 4: But some people think the three point shooting has made

2076
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,560
Speaker 4: the game more dole. Yeah, they do. They think it

2077
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 4: s watered the game down. Maybe it was fashionable at

2078
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 4: one point because Steph Curry and it was new and

2079
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 4: it was fresh, or even go back to the seven

2080
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 4: seconds or less Phoenix Suns. Yeah, the novelty of it

2081
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 4: has worn thin maybe for some, and they try to

2082
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 4: stereotype the league as just being a three point contest.

2083
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 4: Now I don't think that's the case, and I love

2084
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 4: the modern NBA, but I take their point because you

2085
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 4: look and just you know, ten years ago they were

2086
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 4: taking I think like twenty three pointers less per game. Yeah.

2087
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 2: I think the lowest volume three point shooting team in

2088
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: the league this year is shooting like twenty eight a

2089
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 2: game or something like that.

2090
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 4: And I saw that that would have been the highest

2091
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 4: in the.

2092
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 2: Mid two thousands, probably twenty ten. Yeah, even as recent

2093
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: as that.

2094
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 4: Wow, I honestly think that would be the case.

2095
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 2: Definitely been a ginormous uptick and three point at SIMS.

2096
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 2: And so Darryl Morey one of the I don't know

2097
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,600
Speaker 2: if you can call him the godfather of analytics, but

2098
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 2: he certainly gets you know, stamped with you know, constructing

2099
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 2: his rosters, going back to his days with Houston. Now

2100
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: with Philip being heavily built on analytics, and the analytics

2101
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 2: tell you, you know, either shoot layups and dunks or

2102
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 2: shoot three pointers and shoot them at a high value.

2103
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 2: Whenever you can well. Daryl Moray did an interview this

2104
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 2: week that has a lot of people calling him a

2105
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 2: hypocrite because he seemingly has changed his tune on the

2106
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 2: three point shot, at least in a certain degree.

2107
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

2108
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 1: Do you think the NBA needs to move the three

2109
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: point line because of what you did?

2110
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 10: I don't. I don't have the exact remedy. I would

2111
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 10: move the line back, even that won't fix it. I

2112
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 10: would get rid of the corner three. I would move

2113
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 10: the line back will help, but I wouldn't get rid

2114
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 10: of it. For example, I believe something needs to be done.

2115
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 10: I think it's more urgent than tanking. As much as

2116
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 10: people talk about the different ways people get to threes

2117
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 10: and think that's all true, the reality is fifty percent

2118
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 10: more is too much for that shot and we somehow

2119
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 10: need to address that.

2120
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 1: Did Darryl Moury ruin basketball?

2121
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 4: I have empathy for that.

2122
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 10: In fact, I got a lot of heat because last

2123
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 10: year I was arguing, in like the strangest moment of

2124
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 10: my career, almost I was telling the league office they

2125
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 10: need to fix the three point problem that was created

2126
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 10: by all the analysis from the conference and they were

2127
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 10: arguing against me. It was sort of like a full

2128
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 10: circle moment where I do think the game is unbalanced.

2129
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 10: For sure, three is too much for that shot, and

2130
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 10: there needs to be something to do to help fix

2131
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 10: the game.

2132
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,799
Speaker 2: In the conference he's talking about is a Sloan Analytic Conference,

2133
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 2: which he was a big proponent of and was a

2134
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 2: big sponsor of, and talking about how the NBA has

2135
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 2: gotten to this point where people shoot a lot of

2136
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 2: three pointers. Now, before we respond, Draymond Green of course

2137
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 2: has his podcast and he had a direct response to

2138
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 2: what Daryl Morey had to say about.

2139
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 3: The three point line. So here's what Draymond had to say.

2140
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 4: What does he know about three? He is it ain't

2141
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen.

2142
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:46,719
Speaker 9: His lead. There used to be a lot of basketball people,

2143
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 9: a bunch of basketball minds, and the league kind of

2144
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 9: went away from that and went to all numbers, and

2145
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 9: Daryl Morey was one of the driving forces behind it

2146
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 9: to come come out now and try to change the

2147
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 9: whole game of basketball as we know it and play

2148
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 9: it because guys have gotten better and good at certain things.

2149
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 9: It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, So.

2150
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 4: Now we want to add a four point shot?

2151
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 9: Or no, like, can we stop trying to just completely

2152
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 9: rewrite the game of basketball because Daryl Morey came up

2153
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 9: with a theory that ultimately wasn't successful for him. You

2154
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 9: came up with a theory with all of these numbers,

2155
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 9: and you know you're computing these numbers, you're doing these calculations.

2156
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 9: You come up with a theory that ultimately fails you,

2157
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 9: and now we want to just like the shot that

2158
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 9: was the leading driver in your theory, we want to

2159
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 9: change it. No, let me tell you, Daryl Moria, as

2160
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 9: someone who plays this game, it is harder to.

2161
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 3: Shoot a three point shot.

2162
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 4: It's harder physically, it's harder mentally, it is tougher. It's

2163
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 4: the three point shot being shot a high, higher clipp

2164
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 4: than ever.

2165
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's the evolution again, So what happens when things evolved,

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01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 9: You get better at.

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01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 4: The current things. So first of all, let me say this,

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01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 4: I think I know the exact moment that Darryl Morey

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01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 4: realized we're shooting too many threes.

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01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 2: Is that when the Rockets went over twenty five in

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01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 2: that playoff Game seven against the Kevin Durant Golden State

2172
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 2: Warriors and Draymond Green.

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01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 4: That's right, Kevin Okay shot when they missed twenty seven straight. Oh,

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01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 4: I short changed him by two against Golden State, it

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01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 4: gave seven. He probably thought, you know, maybe maybe we

2176
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 4: leaned into this a little too much.

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01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 2: I will say this too, though, because there's a little

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01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 2: cognitive dissonance to a certain degree. I go back to

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01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 2: Greg Popovich with what he said, I think this was

2180
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 2: back in twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen, and how he

2181
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 2: felt like the three point shot was gimmicky and it

2182
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 2: wasn't real basketball, and he said, but we got to

2183
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 2: do it to win. And so in twenty fourteen, the

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01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs I think, shot and made more threes

2185
01:36:58,240 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 2: than anybody else in the league that year.

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01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 3: Even Greg Popovitch hated it.

2187
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 4: They killed the Miami Heat and the finals. One of

2188
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 4: the reasons was winning in five because they were nailing

2189
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 4: everything from three.

2190
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 3: So it's just like, I don't like it.

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01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 2: I don't think this is quote unquote real basketball to

2192
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 2: basketball as I know and love and grew up, you know, coaching,

2193
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 2: playing whatever, but this is what.

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01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 3: Is necessary to win.

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01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you can have.

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01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 3: You can hold two truths.

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01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 2: So I don't necessarily hold that against Daryl Mory too

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01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 2: much to say, Hey, this is what I need to

2199
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 2: do to win, while also saying like, maybe it has

2200
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 2: gone too far and it's not the most esthetically pleasing

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01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 2: for a lot of people. Well, I don't have a

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01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 2: problem with necessarily having those two competing thought processes.

2203
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 4: Variety is the spice of life, and maybe we've gone

2204
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 4: too far with it because it is so beneficial. And

2205
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 4: I think that's the point Darryl Mory is making that

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01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 4: that shot shouldn't be worth three points because guys have

2207
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 4: gotten too good at it. But let me ask you this.

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01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 4: How many threes a game do you think guys are

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01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 4: taking averaging by teams this season? How many threes per

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01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 4: game are teams taking? Pop Quiz hot shot thirty thirty

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01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 4: two thirty seven?

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01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 3: Okay, it's almost forty.

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01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 4: Teams are averaging almost forty threes per game. Okay, I'm

2214
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 4: going to go back now ten years to the twenty

2215
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 4: fifteen twenty sixteen season. How many three pointers attempted then?

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01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:18,719
Speaker 1: Bob Quiz hot shot per.

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01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 4: Game twenty two twenty four? Yeah, I'm a no, I'm

2218
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 4: giving it to him.

2219
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: That is correct.

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01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:27,719
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go.

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01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 4: Back another ten years, two thousand and five, two thousand

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01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 4: and six, how many three pointers attempted per game? Pop

2223
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 4: quiz hot shot twelve sixteen. Okay, I'll go back another

2224
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 4: ten years, ninety five ninety six. How many three pointers

2225
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 4: you think are attempted per game? Five? This is kind

2226
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:51,600
Speaker 4: of surprising. It's sixteen.

2227
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 3: Wow, way higher than I would have thought.

2228
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 4: Actually, now, they moved in the line, and that was

2229
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 4: one of the years that the line was moved in

2230
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 4: from the ninety four to ninety five season through the

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01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 4: ninety six ninety seven season. So ninety five ninety six

2232
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 4: they were encouraging them, so the same win three pointers. Yeah,

2233
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:14,480
Speaker 4: they went from basically taking nine per game to sixteen

2234
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 4: with them moving in the three point line. Yeah, if

2235
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 4: the Warriors had that line, then we'd really have some

2236
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 4: issues here if Steph Curry and everybody had that short

2237
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 4: of a three point I.

2238
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 2: Will fight back a little bit for people to say

2239
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 2: the game is homogenized and all anybody does is shoot threes,

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01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 2: Like to a certain degree, yes, but the methods that

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01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 2: they get there are different. Like people have this idea

2242
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 2: that all anybody ever does is just screen and roll

2243
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 2: with your best player and try to either run for

2244
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 2: a dunk or throw to a corner four three, and

2245
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 2: that is part of some team strategy. But like the

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01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 2: way that the Boston Celtics get to their high volume

2247
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 2: of threes is different than the way the different Nuggets

2248
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 2: get to their volume of threes.

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01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 6: YEA.

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Speaker 3: So the idea that.

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01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 2: That the all the offenses are the same and everybody

2252
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 2: does the exact same thing. I think everybody's end goal

2253
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 2: is the same, either get to the or shoot a three,

2254
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 2: but the way that they get there there's still variety there,

2255
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 2: and I think that's the misnomer.

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01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Like teams like Orlando and offenses

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01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 4: like that are very different than Denver, who's very different

2258
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 4: from Houston and Golden State. And yes, most teams run

2259
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 4: some variation of high pick and roll because it's so

2260
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 4: difficult to guard. But I would argue, instead of the

2261
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 4: three pointers we used to see where often guys would

2262
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 4: be taking them when they're wide open, now guys are

2263
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 4: taking and making three pointers that are well defended at

2264
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 4: the same percentage that guys used to make them at

2265
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 4: when they were wide open, Meaning they're taking and making

2266
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 4: three pointers at a higher degree of difficulty now because

2267
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:51,799
Speaker 4: teams are learning to guard it and they're still making

2268
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 4: it because they're just that damn talented out there. When

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01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 4: back in the day, like let's say, back in the day,

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01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 4: average three point shooting percentage uh thirty five percent, and

2271
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 4: it's like they were getting a lot of them open threes,

2272
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 4: like they weren't taking them unless they were getting wide

2273
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 4: open three pointers. Now guys are shooting that percentage, Well,

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01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:17,639
Speaker 4: then those threes are often heavily guarded. That's the evolution

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01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 4: of the game. That's how skilled guys are today. Well,

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01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 4: I guess the.

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01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 2: Question is, and maybe we can carry this over onto

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01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 2: the next segment, is one doesn't need to be fixed?

2279
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 2: And if it is fixed, how if it does need

2280
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 2: to be fixed, how do you do that? And if

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01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 2: you guys want to chime in, you can do that

2282
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 2: eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. Is there an

2283
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 2: issue with the three point line? Do you have a

2284
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 2: problem with the three point line in the NBA? And

2285
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 2: does it need to be changed? Is there a problem

2286
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 2: you guys let us know. We can also hit us

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Speaker 2: up on next at KFIG one and that follow autam a.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Twitter, now people are interested in this topic

2304
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 4: here talking about three point shooting in the NBA.

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01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 3: In the Twitter, former producer Bree checked in.

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01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bree Breeze. She thinks this Breeze three because we're

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01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 4: talking about three pointers or something in the NBA, and

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01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 4: she'll take any opportunity to mention Kyle Korver.

2309
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 2: Say when it comes to three point marksman, she doesn't

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01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 2: need three. There's only one number one in her heart,

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01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 2: and that is Kyle Korver.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you that guy missed a lot

2313
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 4: of big shots in his career.

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01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:09,640
Speaker 2: It was definitely a wide open three pointer when the

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01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,440
Speaker 2: NBA Finals, I believe when he was at the Cavaliers

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01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 2: and they were playing the Golden State Warriors one of

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01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:15,680
Speaker 2: those years. Oh yes, is that a game one or

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01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 2: a game two game winner he missed?

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01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 4: I think it was game two or game three where

2320
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 4: it was their only shot to win a game and

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01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,160
Speaker 4: maybe the series gathered some momentum and make it interesting.

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01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 4: Probably wouldn't have been, but it still was an open

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01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 4: shot in one of those passes from Lebron James that

2324
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 4: he was criticized for, even though he passed it to

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01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 4: one of the greatest three point shooters ever for a

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01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 4: wide open three to win the game. You know what,

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01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 4: Korver shot from three in that series in twenty eighteen,

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01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 4: hit me one for eleven o nine percent.

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01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 3: Yikes.

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01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 4: Could have helped to have him knocked down a few

2331
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 4: shots from the outside against the greatest team ever in

2332
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 4: that Golden State Warriors squad.

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01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:01,719
Speaker 2: With kd some wide open shots, you know, and guys

2334
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 2: back in the day for what was wide open.

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01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure most of.

2336
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 2: Kyle korfor shots playing with Lebron James and Kyrie Irving

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01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 2: were probably wide open, oh yeah, or as Bruce Arians

2338
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 2: will say, white ass open.

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01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 4: And that's part of my problem with this conversation. You

2340
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:17,759
Speaker 4: eventually get to a point where what are you saying exactly?

2341
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 4: You're criticizing guys for being too good at something to

2342
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 4: a degree.

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01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 2: I mean, and this is not This kind of happened

2344
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 2: to us a much lesser extent When it comes to football.

2345
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 2: The extra point was so easy and so automatic that

2346
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 2: the NFL decided to move it back.

2347
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 3: Now, they didn't move it back.

2348
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 2: So significantly that it was extremely difficult to make, but

2349
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 2: they made it a little more hard, a little harder

2350
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 2: to make.

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01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:39,520
Speaker 3: And this is not completely automatic.

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01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 4: But the truth is, yes, guys got better, kickers got better,

2353
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:45,839
Speaker 4: the caball and all that stuff, But it was always

2354
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 4: like a ninety one percent chance of making or ninety

2355
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 4: three percent chance of making What was it before they

2356
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 4: moved it back? Was it ninety seven percent? Was it

2357
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:55,679
Speaker 4: ninety eight percent of the time they.

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Speaker 3: Made that out there?

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01:44:56,760 --> 01:45:02,640
Speaker 4: So this isn't that it's still teams overall, you know,

2360
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:06,919
Speaker 4: aren't shooting fifty percent from the outside. We thought originally

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01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 4: when Steph Curry came in and really blew things up

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01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen and changed the game and

2363
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 4: the dimensions of the court and stretching the floor out

2364
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 4: and how difficult it is to guard. And yes, that

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01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 4: does take place today throughout the league, more so because

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01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 4: of the Steph Curry effect. But at that time we

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01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 4: wondered how many Steph Curry's would come into the league

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01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 4: because you have this guy who's transcendent and is an

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01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 4: all time legend, and then kids are watching him and

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01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 4: they're gonna be emulating him, and we're gonna get more

2371
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 4: of these Steph Curry's. That honestly hasn't happened. Well, I

2372
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 4: always a great shooter.

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01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of guys who have come in

2374
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 2: who are marksmen, who are just you know, I mean,

2375
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:49,680
Speaker 2: Trey Young modeled this game after Steph Curry, but he

2376
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 2: ain't Seth.

2377
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 3: No, he's not.

2378
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 2: Few people are ever going to be the greater, the great.

2379
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 2: But I know it is Kanka Nipple, Kanka Nipple modeling

2380
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 2: his game. If it wasn't for Steph, maybe he is.

2381
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 4: I don't know. No, you're right, you know what I mean?

2382
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 4: So I think Clay might influenced him more. He reminds

2383
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 4: me of Clay.

2384
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 2: No style of play, yes, but the volume of shooting threes.

2385
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 2: I think Steph Curry is the guy that kind of

2386
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 2: was the thought of as the pioneer, as this is

2387
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 2: my primary shot, as a primary.

2388
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 3: Score, and it's not all that he does.

2389
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 2: I think the problem Steph Curry's handle and everything else

2390
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 2: in his paint percentage and how many points he actually

2391
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 2: scores in the paint gets lost by the fact that

2392
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 2: he shoots threes.

2393
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 9: Well.

2394
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 4: The one of one part with Steph Curry to me

2395
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 4: is that he doesn't off the bounce and the highest

2396
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 4: degree of difficulty three pointers with defenders all over him,

2397
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 4: and it doesn't matter. And I kind of thought by

2398
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 4: now there will at least be one other guy that

2399
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 4: was pretty close to that, and Trey we thought coming

2400
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 4: out of Oklahoma would be. But he's still He's not

2401
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 4: on a different planet than weren't Steph Curry is. Steph

2402
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 4: Curry's is a completely different style. Guy Dame was sort

2403
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 4: of like that, but he was more of a contemporary.

2404
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 4: He wasn't a spawn after Seth Curry. I there's just

2405
01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 4: I don't want to take away and act like what

2406
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 4: they're doing because it's so superhuman, we become numb to it,

2407
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 4: or we're taking it for granted. Just how good these

2408
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 4: guys are. Well, I think that's what it is. I mean,

2409
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 4: you take it for granted to a certain degree.

2410
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:14,759
Speaker 2: But to your point, it's like it becomes so easy

2411
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 2: that it's it's no longer it used to be a novelty.

2412
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 2: It used to be thought as to something that was

2413
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 2: really difficult and as oh wow, this guy shoot you know,

2414
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 2: fifty percent from three or forty percent from three point branches.

2415
01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 2: Now so many guys are doing it, especially on wide

2416
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 2: open threes. It's just it's not thought of as being

2417
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 2: special anymore.

2418
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 4: Well, I think what's lost in this conversation from the

2419
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 4: old heads is they say, well, there's no defense anymore,

2420
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,600
Speaker 4: and they're just getting a bunch of open three pointers

2421
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 4: and they just run up the floor and throw up

2422
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,679
Speaker 4: three pointers back and forth. That's what's happening out there.

2423
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 2: We know defense does get played. It's different now there's

2424
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 2: the game. Like the NFL they have changed rules to

2425
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:51,759
Speaker 2: enhance scoring.

2426
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 3: So is the NBA.

2427
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 4: They have, But I think in the NBA's case it's

2428
01:47:56,640 --> 01:48:00,160
Speaker 4: more about guys have gotten so skilled out there that

2429
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 4: they have demanded defenses to guard so much more of

2430
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:07,759
Speaker 4: the floor that you're just spread out. You're spread way

2431
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 4: too far out. Back in the day, they're lining up

2432
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 4: inside of the three point line. And I'm not even

2433
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 4: saying like sixty seventies. I mean in the eighties early nineties,

2434
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 4: they're still setting up their offense within the three point line.

2435
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 4: The reality is offenses were just way easier to guard

2436
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 4: back then compared to today. Where as soon as the

2437
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 4: guy crosses half court, you better pick him up. If

2438
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 4: you watch the NBA Finals last year and you weren't

2439
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:37,599
Speaker 4: entertained by the Indiana Pacers and the Oklahoma City Thunder

2440
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 4: and the way they ran their offenses, they are setting

2441
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:46,719
Speaker 4: screens and multiple screens with complexity like we've never seen

2442
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 4: as soon as they cross half court, like it is

2443
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:54,839
Speaker 4: exceptional what they're doing out there. It is not easy.

2444
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:57,719
Speaker 4: It is not just throwing up three balls and praying

2445
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 4: and whoever gets hot in this game is the winner.

2446
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 4: It's nothing like that. It is sophisticated. It is intelligent design.

2447
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 4: It is meticulous. The way they work on this stuff.

2448
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 2: You have the numbers or at least some of it

2449
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 2: on some of these things, because you know, the big

2450
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,600
Speaker 2: argument is, you know, everybody shoots these three pointers, and

2451
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,800
Speaker 2: that's why we have so many blowouts. You know, not

2452
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 2: only is the game quote unquote homogenized, but teams are

2453
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 2: getting run off the floor by thirty points. Because if

2454
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 2: one team is hot one night and one team is

2455
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 2: not one night, that's how you end up getting blowouts.

2456
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 2: The pushback will be like, I mean, you also see

2457
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:29,759
Speaker 2: a lot of great comebacks for that exact same reason,

2458
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 2: because the teams can be ice cold for three quarters

2459
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 2: and they heat up in the fourth and all of

2460
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 2: a sudden, we.

2461
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 3: Have a game.

2462
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 4: It's a double edged sword. Yeah, sure there are nights

2463
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:42,759
Speaker 4: where one team gets ridiculously hot. The difference is even

2464
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 4: bad teams in today's NBA they can have those nights too,

2465
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 4: because some of those bad teams are just going for volume,

2466
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 4: and if it is our night, we have a chance

2467
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 4: to beat anybody. Like the Chicago Bulls earlier this year

2468
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 4: they beat the Clippers, and the Clippers weren't playing great

2469
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 4: at that time, but they hit twenty five to three

2470
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 4: pointers and they tie to franchise record, And it's like

2471
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 4: sometimes there's nothing you can do about it. You got

2472
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 4: a hand in their face, you're playing good defense, you're

2473
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 4: closing out, you're trying to run them off the line.

2474
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:13,640
Speaker 4: And guys are just hitting such high degree of difficulty

2475
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 4: shots because they're so much better than they used to

2476
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 4: be as shooters. It is the skilled league. Steph Curry

2477
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 4: has talked about that before, but everybody brings up, oh,

2478
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 4: it was more physical back then. He has said, well,

2479
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 4: this is the physic this is the skilled era. That's

2480
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 4: how he wants to put it. The clip that I

2481
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 4: would say exemplifies this more than any happened in the

2482
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 4: last dance. And it's at the end of practice and

2483
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:39,839
Speaker 4: Phil Jackson challenges them, whoever hits a thirty footer first,

2484
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 4: you know, is the winner, and that's that will end

2485
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 4: practice on a high note for us, a little team

2486
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 4: morale thing, a little rope's course type bonding lesson. And

2487
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 4: it takes them like five or six shots to hit

2488
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 4: this thirty footer. And I'm thinking to myself, like, like,

2489
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 4: if you do that today, the first guy is probably

2490
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 4: hitting it right. The shooting is so much more advance.

2491
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 2: This is how Steph ends is warm up by shooting

2492
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 2: a three from the tunnel. I mean yeah, and it

2493
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:06,759
Speaker 2: makes it pretty much every single time left handed.

2494
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 4: Uh, it's in, said Luka. Doncis does some of these

2495
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 4: tricks now too. But maybe we got a caller here

2496
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,799
Speaker 4: who wants to weigh in, Kevin Manry, We're wrong, all right, Randy,

2497
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 4: let's check in it with Randy. Where are you calling from?

2498
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 4: Fort Myers?

2499
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 7: Is that?

2500
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 3: Is that correct?

2501
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 8: Right? My home of Dion Sanders?

2502
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:22,080
Speaker 1: All right?

2503
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:22,960
Speaker 3: How on primetime?

2504
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 6: What's going on? Randy? All right?

2505
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 8: All right, man, I know if.

2506
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:28,320
Speaker 4: This is prime time, Well, we appreciate you calling in.

2507
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:31,600
Speaker 8: I think I'm becoming one of those old heads like

2508
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 8: you guys are talking about. I turned fifty four last month,

2509
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 8: so I grew up with the Magic era. I saw

2510
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:40,599
Speaker 8: the Jordan era, Kobe and Shack. I can remember maybe

2511
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:43,639
Speaker 8: Larry Bird coming out there and shooting a three, bill

2512
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 8: Leane Bear coming out there shooting a three for the

2513
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:49,720
Speaker 8: big men. Of course, I miss James Worthy down on

2514
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:53,120
Speaker 8: the post. I miss Hakey down in the post, kareem

2515
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 8: down on the post. Now you've got these guys who're

2516
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 8: six ft of legend coming out to the day and

2517
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 8: three point line of shooting three corners. And then I

2518
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:01,840
Speaker 8: never knew what the additionalss basketball man. But I don't

2519
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 8: even think Steph Curry is a point guard because to me,

2520
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 8: the point guard's supposed to shut up the offense like

2521
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 8: Magic did, like Isaiah did, like all those guys. I

2522
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 8: just can't watch this. And I don't know how many

2523
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 8: guys are in my age demographic that won't watch because

2524
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:17,000
Speaker 8: they're stuck in the eighties, nineties, early two thousands. I

2525
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:18,320
Speaker 8: like to hear you guys talk about it.

2526
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:22,640
Speaker 4: Well, I'll say this, when people say positionless basketball, that

2527
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:25,679
Speaker 4: is a compliment. You know why it's positionless because now

2528
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 4: there are less specialists because your flaws get picked out.

2529
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 4: More guys have to be able to do everything, pass, shoot, dribble.

2530
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 4: There's more of those guys now than ever. You say

2531
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,799
Speaker 4: you want to see those guys in the post, Well,

2532
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 4: it's maybe definitely more of a lost guard than it

2533
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 4: used to be. You still have somebody like Nikola Jokic

2534
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 4: who can do both. He can get down on the

2535
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:49,320
Speaker 4: block and he could also shoot from the outside.

2536
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 2: There are a few and far between, Yeah, I mean,

2537
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 2: because after him, I mean, who else are we thinking

2538
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 2: that you can actually give the ball fifteen feet from

2539
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 2: the basket in the post.

2540
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 4: I mean Mbid could when he was healthy, he was great.

2541
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 3: You know, it will be nice if Wemby had that

2542
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 3: sort of game.

2543
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:04,600
Speaker 1: You know, I got you.

2544
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 4: But you don't enjoy watching Wemby though, Randy. You don't

2545
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 4: think it's all inspiring to see this seven to five

2546
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 4: guy have fatal ways.

2547
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 7: Like I.

2548
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 8: Listened to you guys, and I get my information about

2549
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 8: basketball from you guys on the radio. But I haven't

2550
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 8: watched an NBA game since the second Warriors Championship because

2551
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:25,639
Speaker 8: I just couldn't take all the threes.

2552
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 4: So it's just not esthetically pleasing to you, is what

2553
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:28,640
Speaker 4: it is.

2554
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 2: It's not the NBA that you grew up watching and

2555
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:32,559
Speaker 2: you just can't get You just can't get with it.

2556
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 3: Is that what it is?

2557
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 8: Like I said, I might be stuck in the eighties,

2558
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 8: the nineties, early two thousands, but I yeah, as you said, Kevin,

2559
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 8: I just can't. I can't do it because as I remember,

2560
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 8: a six ft nine six, six to eleven guys down

2561
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 8: in the post, he's not on the three point line

2562
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 8: unless you were bird Flame Bear Rick Smith's fitless shrimps

2563
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 8: kind of like that. Yeah, I just I can't do it.

2564
01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:57,280
Speaker 4: So are you because it's weird to me? Are you

2565
01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 4: upset that these guys have gotten so scared that they

2566
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 4: can get out to the three point line and they

2567
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 4: are a threat from anywhere out there?

2568
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 8: Not skilled? Now, I'm not upset. There's skilled. I just

2569
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 8: like I said, I might be in a time work.

2570
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 8: It's almost like get rid of the running back.

2571
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:14,639
Speaker 4: Oh.

2572
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 3: I began to say that, Randy.

2573
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 2: You know, I think some guys, these people just like

2574
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 2: what they like and like you know, if you are

2575
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:22,720
Speaker 2: someone who loved the NFL back in the eighties and

2576
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:24,880
Speaker 2: the nineties, when you loved you know, Emmett and Barry

2577
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,160
Speaker 2: or even going back to Earl Campbell, the guys who

2578
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 2: ran the ball thirty forty times a game, and now

2579
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, quarterbacks are throwing the ball forty

2580
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 2: fifty times a game and it just might not be

2581
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 2: appealing to you. I can certainly understand that different strokes

2582
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 2: for different folks. I think that's probably what you're saying

2583
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 2: more than anything there, Randy, Right, Yes, sir, absolutely.

2584
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,440
Speaker 4: I'll say this. In the NFL. You remember that rams

2585
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,320
Speaker 4: Kansas City game on Monday Night with Jared Goff and

2586
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes and they both put up fifty points and

2587
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,160
Speaker 4: everybody was celebrating it like the best game of all

2588
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 4: time was being played. I didn't feel like that. I

2589
01:54:56,720 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 4: felt like it cheapened touchdowns because they were happening so frequently,

2590
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 4: Like it took away like I would rather see more

2591
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 4: of a defensive battle or a game that was played,

2592
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 4: you know that was twenty to eighteen or twenty to

2593
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:13,520
Speaker 4: seventeen than a super high scoring NFL game.

2594
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 3: That's all I've always felt, too, to be honest with you,

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01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 3: So I.

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01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 4: Understand that side of it with the NFL. With the NBA, though,

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01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 4: I just feel like, thank you for the call.

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01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 2: Randy, by the way, appreciate you being all the time

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01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:25,720
Speaker 2: with this man. Take care of have a good night

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01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 2: or good morning.

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01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:27,080
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 4: I am in awe of the high degree of difficulty

2603
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 4: shooting that is happening in the league. I just did

2604
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 4: you see the end of third quarter shot that Peyton

2605
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 4: Pritchard hit the other night against OKC.

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01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 3: I did not.

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01:55:41,200 --> 01:55:44,200
Speaker 4: I think the game was on prime, the fallaway jumper.

2608
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 4: He hit guy in his face. I think he might

2609
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 4: have gotten a finger on the ball. It was Isaiah

2610
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 4: Joe for the Oklahoma City Thunder, and I'm looking at

2611
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,240
Speaker 4: that shot and how tough it is, and he makes it,

2612
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 4: and I think people are taking that for granted, just like, oh,

2613
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 4: all the league is, you know, shooting from the outside. Now,

2614
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 4: It's like, no, look at the shot he just hit

2615
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 4: in how well defended that was and there's nothing you

2616
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 4: can do about it. It's like Jordan had a fade away.

2617
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 4: How many guys had to fade away back then compared

2618
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 4: to like there's five guys on every team now. It's

2619
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:20,320
Speaker 4: just I don't know. I think the game has gotten

2620
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 4: extremely skilled. So I mean the question is, so people,

2621
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 4: if it's gotten extremely skilled, then guys can make shots

2622
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 4: like and no disrespect to Peyton Pritchett, if a role

2623
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 4: player on a team like that can make shots like that,

2624
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:32,680
Speaker 4: has it become too easy?

2625
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 2: And do we need to make it more difficult or

2626
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 2: change things up to make things a little bit more challenging.

2627
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 3: I think that's the question people are asking.

2628
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to make wholesale changes at this

2629
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,960
Speaker 4: point where you take away the corner threes or you

2630
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:49,640
Speaker 4: take away somebody brought up the concept of maybe you

2631
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 4: only get to take twenty three pointers per game.

2632
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 2: Oh like putting caps on what you can and can't

2633
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:56,680
Speaker 2: do during the game and moving it back might help.

2634
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:58,240
Speaker 2: But I mean, these guys are pulling up from inside

2635
01:56:58,280 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 2: half court anyway, so.

2636
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 4: And if you move back further, the defense is just

2637
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 4: gonna get stretched out even more for driving lanes and

2638
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 4: easy buckets. And if you talk about analytics and yeah,

2639
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 4: three pointers and the layups, it's gonna lead to more

2640
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 4: of that stuff. The stuff I would like to take

2641
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 4: out is the foul baiting. Did you see uh Jalen

2642
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:23,040
Speaker 4: Brown go after SGA saying that's not basketball when he

2643
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:25,680
Speaker 4: was just hunting for a foul going to his left

2644
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:28,720
Speaker 4: and then gets the defender off balance, leans right, gets

2645
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 4: the easy foul call, and look, Shay's great at it

2646
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 4: and he's one of the most skilled players ever. But

2647
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 4: that stuff is the stuff I worry about with the

2648
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:41,120
Speaker 4: league more so than any of the shooting. Get rid

2649
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:43,880
Speaker 4: of stuff like that. Let them play the same level

2650
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 4: of physicality they let him play in the playoffs. Let

2651
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 4: him play like that in the regular season.

2652
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 2: How was the MVP race gonna come down and shake

2653
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 2: out here in the NBA As we were in the

2654
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 2: final stretch of the regular season.

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01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,360
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that coming up next.

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01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,680
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2661
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:27,200
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2662
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01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 4: check for our emblem final segment here of FNA on FSR.

2671
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:56,920
Speaker 2: Been talking a lot of NBA this hour, and we

2672
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 2: were talking to producer Brandon off the air and he

2673
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:01,320
Speaker 2: has a already hot take when it comes to the

2674
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 2: NBA MVP race. So Brandon, disgusting take, Oh disgusting. Okay,

2675
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 2: it already starts, it already starts.

2676
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:09,680
Speaker 4: Threw up a little in my mouth.

2677
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 3: All right, Brandon.

2678
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 2: So most people think that SGA is the the odds

2679
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:14,800
Speaker 2: on favorites win the MVP, especially after that performance he

2680
01:59:14,840 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 2: had earlier this week.

2681
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 3: Do you agree?

2682
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:23,760
Speaker 11: I do not agree. Look, he's he's gonna win. But

2683
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 11: the issue I have with it, He's thirty one point

2684
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 11: five player efficiency rating, which is second to Jokic, and

2685
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 11: it's actually a top ten player efficiency rating in all time.

2686
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:37,160
Speaker 11: Jokic is actually having the best season statistically if we're

2687
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 11: looking at efficiency of all time. But again, he can

2688
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 11: only miss one more game or I think it's one

2689
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:45,320
Speaker 11: or two before he's deemed ineligible a couple more, yep.

2690
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:49,760
Speaker 11: But Jokic's team and Chase team are also pretty good

2691
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:52,080
Speaker 11: around them. I know Nuggets have been dealing with Aaron

2692
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:55,800
Speaker 11: Gordon being hurt, Payne Watson was huge, UCLA guy has

2693
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:56,760
Speaker 11: been doing very well.

2694
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:57,200
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2695
01:59:57,240 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've had a lot of injuries.

2696
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 11: But I think at full hal both of those rosters

2697
02:00:01,240 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 11: can win forty plus games without their superstars.

2698
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:07,200
Speaker 4: And when I look at the MVP, like, I know, it's.

2699
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:10,600
Speaker 11: Become the best player, right, But the most valuable player

2700
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 11: of their team this year has been Luka Doncic and

2701
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:15,320
Speaker 11: Kawhi Leonard, and I don't think it's particularly close. I

2702
02:00:15,320 --> 02:00:19,880
Speaker 11: think both of those teams are maybe twenty one teams without.

2703
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:20,480
Speaker 4: Either of those guys.

2704
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:23,360
Speaker 11: And they both have player efficiency ratings that are twenty eight,

2705
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:25,600
Speaker 11: which is third and fourth in the league, just behind

2706
02:00:25,640 --> 02:00:28,080
Speaker 11: Shay and Nicola Yokus. So if you're in advanced that

2707
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 11: guy you can get behind those two. Cad getting votes

2708
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:33,520
Speaker 11: is ridiculous to me. He's he's a twenty one player

2709
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 11: efficiency rating, Like, what are we doing now?

2710
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:38,040
Speaker 4: You're putting a lot into that peer? Where's the raptor

2711
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:40,080
Speaker 4: at where's the the borl say?

2712
02:00:40,280 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 2: I mean Kate In all respect to him, his numbers

2713
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 2: are the exact same as they were last year.

2714
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 3: The team around him is.

2715
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:48,280
Speaker 11: Better, Yeah, one hundred percent way better. Ozwar is turning

2716
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:49,960
Speaker 11: into one of the best defenders in the league. Durren's

2717
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:52,480
Speaker 11: having an incredible year, like they got depth. So I

2718
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:54,680
Speaker 11: don't know why Kid is being considered. Jalen Brown is

2719
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:57,480
Speaker 11: twenty two player efficiency rating. People don't give Prichard and

2720
02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,760
Speaker 11: White enough credit, so I don't know why he's getting karreed.

2721
02:00:59,800 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 6: Why.

2722
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:03,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, Derek White's been phenomenal, pressure has been phenomenal. Did

2723
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:04,560
Speaker 4: you see that shot?

2724
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, just talked about it.

2725
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:09,080
Speaker 11: Yes, he always says and like Lucas team too is

2726
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:11,400
Speaker 11: like how like that's one of the worst rosters in

2727
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:14,080
Speaker 11: the league besides reevesh.

2728
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:16,480
Speaker 4: Okay, it's a very disjointed roster.

2729
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:18,440
Speaker 2: You have a lot of specialists who don't do do

2730
02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:21,080
Speaker 2: a lot, you know, outside of doing one thing well.

2731
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:26,320
Speaker 4: Talented, but unbalanced, and that's on Rob Polenka. I agree

2732
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 4: with you that there are guys and I've made this

2733
02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:32,920
Speaker 4: argument for Niko Jokic for years while his team wasn't

2734
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 4: finishing at the top of the standings, he still was

2735
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:38,240
Speaker 4: the best player in the league. And I still think

2736
02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:43,760
Speaker 4: he is because he is an offense unto himself. And yes,

2737
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:47,720
Speaker 4: that team's floor would fall out without him out there.

2738
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:50,440
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, but we know how this

2739
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:55,600
Speaker 4: usually goes best player, best team, best record, unless there's

2740
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:59,400
Speaker 4: a real outlier season like Russell Westbrook averaging a triple

2741
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:02,120
Speaker 4: double and then people got sick of that after it

2742
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:06,120
Speaker 4: happened once. And nikol Jokicic has won three because of

2743
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:08,520
Speaker 4: the analytics, So you're not wrong to bring those up.

2744
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:09,640
Speaker 3: And that's the problem Brandon.

2745
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:11,800
Speaker 2: People are going to use that against them because I

2746
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:13,880
Speaker 2: use the word novelty wearing off earlier in the show,

2747
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:15,880
Speaker 2: the novelty of what he's doing. People are like, I've

2748
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:18,600
Speaker 2: already seen it. The problem is what more can he do? Like,

2749
02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:20,000
Speaker 2: there's no more than the guy can do at this

2750
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 2: point average at quadruple double, I guess.

2751
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:25,400
Speaker 4: And you know, because he's missed so many games this

2752
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:29,120
Speaker 4: season and he's right on the verge of being ineligible,

2753
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:32,560
Speaker 4: that does take away from things, and people are already

2754
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:35,120
Speaker 4: assuming it's just gonna be SGA. Because SGA can still

2755
02:02:35,120 --> 02:02:37,880
Speaker 4: miss five more games and win the MVP, he's probably

2756
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:38,440
Speaker 4: not missing them.

2757
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:41,520
Speaker 2: I understand your argument talking about Luka Dancik and Kawhi Leonard,

2758
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:43,440
Speaker 2: and it's all well fought out, and I don't necessarily

2759
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:45,720
Speaker 2: disagree with you. So if I were to say, yes,

2760
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:49,480
Speaker 2: those guys deserve to be in the conversation, they absolutely should. Unfortunately,

2761
02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:51,840
Speaker 2: just knowing as Adam mentioned, how the system works, they're

2762
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 2: not going to be.

2763
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:55,720
Speaker 4: I mean they're in the conversation, they're just not gonna

2764
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:58,800
Speaker 4: win the MVP. Odds if you go on fan duel

2765
02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:01,720
Speaker 4: or any of these plays, is there one of them

2766
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:03,000
Speaker 4: f and a on FSR