1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: back with you. This has moved the sticks presented by 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Zaxby's I should point that out, by the way, Buck, 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: How you doing, man, man, I'm good. I am good 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: coming off with your strong Monday night performance from the 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Las Vegas raters. It's still hard for me to call 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: them Las Vegas after then playing in Oakland for so long. Yeah, 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: it's been a great week, man, great week and a 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: lot of good ball. Um. It's just kind of funny 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: to see how teams, some teams have like hit the 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: ground running, like the Baltimore Ravens like there in Stride, 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: and other teams are kind of limping out the gate 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: where they're still trying to figure out the mechanisms to 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: be able to play a game. And it just kind 16 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: of makes you want to tap into those people and 17 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: see what were the differences in their practice and training 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: camp approaches, because it does appear that some guys kind 19 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: of have it figured out where other coaches and other 20 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: teams certainly do not have it figured out. Yeah, it's 21 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: a great it's a great call. It's been UH some teams. 22 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: I think it would be interesting to see if it 23 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: correlates to how physical they were in camp, which we 24 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: had talked about some teams taking a more physical approach. 25 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: I know, obviously the Ravens have that reputation. You know, 26 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, We've talked about them being a physical team 27 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: during UH during training camp in the past as well, 28 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: So that be interesting to get that information. But man, 29 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: we've got a We've got a lot of ground to 30 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: cover today. I want to hit on that game you 31 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: mentioned it, Raiders big win over the Saints. I want 32 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: to talk about an interesting trend with some teams and 33 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: what they're doing under center and the value that you 34 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: get from being under center. We want to talk about 35 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: our buddy Dion Sanders get a new coaching job. We've 36 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: got the conversation that we were having on Twitter about 37 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: being able to attack in coverage linebackers and safeties and 38 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: what does that mean for scouting, And I feel like 39 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: it's something we've been talking about for several years. What 40 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: we'll get there, I'll save that until we get there, 41 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: but I don't want to spoil it. But how about 42 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: last night? Your big takeaways from that game last night 43 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: with the Raiders. My big takeaway, um, John Gruden is 44 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: playing the style of the football that he envisioned. Um. 45 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: The defense isn't perfect, but from an offensive standpoint, this 46 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: is the John Grew version of offense that he's always 47 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: wanted to play. And so what you're seeing is a big, 48 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: beefy offensive line that can mall people. You're seeing a 49 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: running game led by a dominant runner who never really 50 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: has to come off the field because you also can 51 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: be a factor in the passing game. You're seeing a 52 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: quarterback who is efficient getting the ball out of his hands, 53 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: but it's very very good working off play action. And 54 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: then the only difference is you're saying a number one 55 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: pass catcher that is a tied end out a wide receiver. 56 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: But Darren Wall is an absolute star and he is 57 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: a problem. Obviously we've talked about him before, but man, 58 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: he is a handful. And what you're seeing the Raiders 59 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: control the game with their offense. You look at time 60 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: of possession, it was nearly double. You look at him 61 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: out of plays, it was almost double. They control the 62 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: ball with their offense, and that is the way they 63 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: have to play because you want to play great defense. 64 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: Play fewer snaps of defense. That's the way to get 65 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: it done. Yeah, I mean it was impressive. And I 66 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: want to go back to Josh Jacobs because we talked 67 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot about him on the run up to the draft. 68 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: I remember when I put out my first top fifty 69 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: list buck and he was in my top top ten 70 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: from from start to finish. People lost their minds. And 71 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: then he went out and ran four six two and 72 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: people said, hockey, you can't do that is a running back. 73 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: He ran four six two. You mentioned it. He's he 74 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: is the engine there for that, for that offense. I mean, 75 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: he makes that whole thing go. And it's because he's physical, 76 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: he's instinctive, he's got vision, he's got balanced, he can 77 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: help you in the passing game, like he's everything that 78 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: you need to be that, you know, lack of a 79 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: better phrase, that kind of bell cow runner for your team. 80 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 1: And I think he's given them an identity offensively. Yeah. 81 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: And I think the big thing that I've struggled with 82 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: with Josh Jacobs was maybe the lack of production over years, 83 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: meaning he was basically like a one year starter, um 84 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: who kind of did it at Alabama. And so you're like, man, 85 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: how how good he? But I think, how good is 86 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: he really? But I think what I've learned from that, 87 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Josh Jacobs and then I'm gonna back 88 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: that up further and I'm gonna say, Alvin Kamar, I 89 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: think they're on the field. They were on the field 90 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: that game together last night and right, and I think 91 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: they're the two examples. Now their scouts can reference when 92 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: you have those debates in meeting rooms, because before it 93 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: was like, hey, I want to see his resume. How 94 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: many years has he done? And Jonathan Taylor had a 95 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: million carries and a million yards and those things. But 96 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: we're seeing the nature of the running back position. Maybe 97 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: it's better that they come in with fewer reps, fewer carries, 98 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: because when they come into the league, I can load 99 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: them down and know that maybe durability won't be a 100 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: concern based on the knowledge that they had prior to 101 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: reaching the nash Fotball League. Can I look at it 102 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: this way and say, if you've shown me that you 103 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: can do it, if I know you can do it, 104 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 1: I don't need necessarily see you do it a million times. 105 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: I know you can do it. That's number one But 106 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: then number two, don't you think that the wiring right 107 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: when they have the proper makeup and wiring, and and 108 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: then you can say, Okay, I know he can physically 109 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,119 Speaker 1: do it, and then I know he has the want 110 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: to to be able to work, to be able to 111 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: get to where we want him to be. Like to me, 112 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: that's like the beautiful combination when you have somebody that 113 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: has the talent and the work ethic, once you can 114 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: fill on the rest of the gaps. There's gonna be 115 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: gaps if you look at each evaluation like a like 116 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: a sheet, right, like a like a coloring sheet. It's 117 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: not all colored in. You don't get to see it 118 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: all colored in when you when you get it. But 119 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: if you can look at and say, Okay, he's got 120 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: the ability, he's got to want to, he's got the makeup. 121 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: We can fill in the rest once he gets here. Yeah. 122 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: And I think that running back position one. I think 123 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: you have to throw speed out of the equations when 124 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: it comes to running back. It's been proven like the 125 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: fact that you run has no effect on the kind 126 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: of runner that you are. Like, it's great when you 127 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: can say that you're Chris Johnson. It runs for three, 128 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: but over time we've seen the explosive runners. Maybe on 129 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: a great year you may have four to six forty 130 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: plus yr runs. The game is not really played, and 131 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: that is really in the five to ten yard box. 132 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: Can you make people miss? Can you punish people when 133 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: you have the opportunity? Can you deliver ten plus your place? 134 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: That's kind of where you want to measure them. The 135 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: other thing the running back position, and my estimation is 136 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: the easiest for a young player to get on the 137 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: field with the rock in his hand. Now, when it 138 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: comes to past protection, that's a different animal in the beast, 139 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: But in terms of just being a pure runner or 140 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: pass catcher, I think it's easier for young guys to play. 141 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: And so when you think about Josh Jacobs or even 142 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara when they came in without those reps were 143 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: the one thing that you can look at, which, well, 144 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: if we asked him to do exactly what he did 145 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: at Alabama, that's one to give him a chance to 146 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: be a fifteen to twenty touch per game guy. Alvin 147 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: Kamara was outstanding catching the ball out the backfield, so 148 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: I know, at least I'm getting the third down back. 149 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: I think it's really from an evaluation standpoint looking at 150 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: every player at running back and being able to clearly say, coach, 151 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: here's exactly what he can do when we bring him 152 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: into our program, and then let's see if we can 153 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: build upon that when he gets here. But here's why 154 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: he can get on the field and why he's worthy 155 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: of being an early down or specially especialty back, whatever 156 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: that is. I want to I want to give you 157 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: another thought here Buck when we flip it over the 158 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: defensive side, because the guy that was one of our 159 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: favorites in the run up to that draft that same 160 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: year who lost his rookie year with Jonathan Abram, we 161 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: had him on. He's awesome, Yeah, of his his energy, 162 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: and it got me thinking defensively, Like I've told the 163 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: story about how in Baltimore we had the s t I, right, speed, toughness, instincts, 164 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: and and those are the three things you really hone 165 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: in on defensively. I almost think it's like maybe it's 166 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: extra credit, you know, maybe it doesn't belong in those 167 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: top three, but man, you see it. You see it 168 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: with Jamal Adams and I I went on aftermath and 169 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: showed some of the issues he had in coverage. But 170 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: it's the energy that's a talent, energy as a gift. 171 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 1: I've seen it with Derwin James when he's been healthy 172 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: with the Chargers. UM we see what Jamal Adams, what 173 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: he's done for the Seahawks. On the defensive side of 174 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: the ball. Jonathan Abram has brought that energy to that defense. 175 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: And Man, I think especially in empty stadiums that we 176 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: have this year, it's never been more important than to 177 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: have somebody, hopefully multiple guys that that bring the juice. 178 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: And I think Jonathan Abrams brought some juice to that defense. 179 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: I think we both are still kind of old school 180 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: in our belief based on what we're exposed to very 181 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: early in our scouting careers. UM old school mentality was 182 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: you had to have an intimidator. You had to have 183 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: an enforces somewhere in the middle of the field, being 184 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: it mic linebacker, be it a safety, one of those safeties. 185 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: Somebody had to be able to force running backs and 186 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: wide receivers to pay their taxes for venturing in between 187 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: the hashes. Now, when the league changed the rules, there 188 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: was a rush to kind of remove those players. Those 189 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: box players are those hard hitters because you wanted the 190 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: athlete that could cover, he could come down over the slide. 191 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: But what you're seeing, particularly with the way that they're 192 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: calling games now, that player has value because those hits 193 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: really discourage people from venturing into those areas. They also 194 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: energize your squad when you have a player that can 195 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: come up and kind of stick their face and the 196 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: fan and make a big hit. Those things matter because 197 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: when you're dealing with humans and human emotions, there's nothing 198 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: like from a defensive standpoint, putting a UI shot on 199 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: someone that kind of sparks up the rest of the 200 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: thing because it's contagious because then others are trying to 201 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: do it, and I'm sure you saw it in Baltimore 202 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: with ray Lewis and all those guys around. When they 203 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: started making place, it becomes a feeding frenzy and it's 204 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: really hard to deal with the defense that has that. Yeah, 205 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: I think the thing that's changed probably with the rules 206 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: and is that now those hits are coming against the 207 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: run or they're coming in the alley right where it 208 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: used to be those collisions would take place in the 209 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: middle of the field that's getting called. Now, you if 210 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: you hit somebody in the middle of the field. It's 211 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: gonna get called, so you lose a little bit of 212 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: that value. But those guys being able to drop down, 213 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: shoot alleys and fill gaps and be able to stick 214 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: their face and the fan as you said that, to me, 215 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: still has tremendous value. The challenge here, here's the thing 216 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: you want to try and find guys like that. To 217 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: me is the difference between Drwin and Jamal. Like Drwin 218 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: can do that, but then Derwin can match up a 219 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: little bit more in coverage. It's being able to get 220 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: the advantage of what they give you with that physicality 221 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: coming forward without having to deal with the liability when 222 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: they're going backwards. I think Jonathan abram I, I haven't 223 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: studied this tape yet, but from what we saw of 224 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: him in college Mississippi State, I think he's got the 225 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: ability to play high and do some coverage things as 226 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: well as dropped down and give you that that physicality 227 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: that we're talking about. Yeah, and I think that's so. 228 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: I think that's the interesting thing when it comes to 229 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: you evaluating and pegging safeties, because I almost believe that 230 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to split safeties and maybe even a 231 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: three category feature where you have the high safety, which 232 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: is your normal center field safety, your playmaker, the guy 233 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: that would be like Earl Thomas and his prime. And 234 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: then you're going to have the strong safety or the 235 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: type that is more like you would say Derwin James 236 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: that can play in the box but also maybe move 237 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: out to the slot. And in the third category, I'm 238 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: gonna call it the the hybrid or the nickel backer, 239 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: which is he's listed as a safety, but in essence, 240 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: because so many teams are playing nickel, he's really that 241 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: third linebacker. That's what Jamal Adams is to me. Jamal 242 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: Adams is kind of like that guy that is the 243 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: fringe box player because when you watch that game, man, 244 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: how many times did he come off the edge as 245 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: a pass rusher. Like when we talk about the Seattle Seahawks, 246 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: they don't have a true pass rusher up front, So 247 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: what they've done is they made thirty three their fifth 248 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: pass rushing. So he comes and it seems like he's 249 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: coming like fifteen to twenty times a game after hedge 250 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: and that's his value. And so when we think about 251 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: that three pronged approach at safety, is the high safety, 252 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: it's the guy that is diversatile, dropdown guy. And then 253 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: really it's the nickel backer safety that is the role 254 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: that Jamal is playing. But also a guy like Jeremy 255 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: chen with play kind of puffed up, oversize, but he's 256 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: gonna spend most of his time eight to ten yards 257 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: within the line of scrimmage. All right, I need help 258 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: with the last word here because I love you know, 259 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: I love doing the three same letters. Right, we did 260 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: with the three p's right for play colors, protection, playmakers. 261 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking of these three safeties, right Phil, anyone 262 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: that can fill, anyone that can float, which is to 263 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: float over the top. Now, I gotta come up with 264 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: the third F to be able to cover on the slot. 265 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a flexibility, Maybe it's might be a flex player. 266 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: I think it is a flex player because going all 267 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: the way back when I was working in Seattle, there 268 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: was a great secondary coach, Dick roach Um And Dick 269 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: Roach said, and I mean this is early two thousand, 270 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: he said, the perfect secondary is one where you basically 271 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: have one safety and three corners, and that guy that 272 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: is your strong safety is really another corner. And he said, 273 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: the perfect guy at the time you have to go 274 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: all the way back. He said, Sean Springs is the 275 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: perfect safety because at the time, Sean Springs was considered 276 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: a big corner at like six one maybe six to two, 277 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: two hundred ten pounds, big physical car run. And so 278 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: that's kind of what the league has evolved into because 279 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: as more teams go to eleven personnel with three receivers 280 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: on the field, if you can have a guy that 281 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: can stay on the field and drop down over that 282 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: slot receiver, when now you can play bass, Now you 283 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: can do what you really want to do on defense. 284 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: Maybe there's maybe there's three season, maybe it's cover crash 285 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: and I don't want the high safety with the sea Well, 286 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: I've been workshopping that. I'm gonna get that. By the 287 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: next episode, we're gonna have that. So yeah, you got 288 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: the center FH center fielder. Yeah, you got the center 289 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: center fielder. Then you've got one that can cover, and 290 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: you've got one that can crash. Yeah, because thet the 291 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: crash off the end is like literally DJ like you're 292 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: seeing these guys add more the secondary blitz part of it. 293 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: Haven't had a chance to study, but it has popped 294 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: up on tape. You're seeing this year more than ever 295 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: more sub blitz as meaning Nippl Corners, safety is coming 296 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, because more teams are using these unique and 297 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: exotic fronts, whether it's your nickel four to five three 298 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: five two four five like like, they're using a variety 299 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: of combinations to put different people on the field because 300 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: it is a it is a problem for the offense 301 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: to identify who do I set the protection on? Who 302 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: is the quote unquote Mike. And when you have all 303 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: these dB numbers floating around the box and any of 304 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: one of those guys can do it, it is a problem. 305 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: And you should know that from being in Baltimore with 306 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: the Rex Ryan and talking Dennis Thurmon. Those guys like 307 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: the outside, they're running the same blitz from multiple packages, 308 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: but with each package it changes who the point man is. Yep, 309 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: exactly true. Um, all right, let's flip it over real quick. 310 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: On the other side of this, Uhrew brees a, you're worried. 311 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm definitely worried. Like he's lost his fastball. Um, 312 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: I think what was telling on the telecast and give 313 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: them credits A hard job to do the Monday night thing, 314 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: but I felt like they were soft shooting the Drew 315 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: Brees conversation Drew Brees when they were saying Drew Brees 316 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: can't step into his throws, he doesn't have mustard or 317 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: whatever I'm saying right now, the best version of Drew 318 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: Brees would be Greg Max, meaning that he's lost the velocity, 319 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: but because he can paint the corner so well, he 320 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: is still able to do it. But what we're seeing 321 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: is Drew Brees has almost become a knuckleballer. He's almost 322 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: He missed some layups last night. Man, Yeah, and and 323 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: so t J. It becomes a problem because you know 324 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: when we start to evaluate, like from a scouting example, 325 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: when you're doing the advanced scout, it takes about three games, 326 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: four games before you really hone in. If he continues 327 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: to put up that he can't push the ball down 328 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: the field, you talk about drinking the field. Because also 329 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: the same don't have any they don't have any burners 330 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: on the outside, and so they've been able to get 331 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: away with it because they've been so great with their 332 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: shallow cross rub route packages that they can just run 333 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: people into each other. And then Alvin Kamara has always 334 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: been the guy that has been the one that can 335 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: win because you get him matched up one on one 336 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: on the week side linebacker, he wins on the option route, 337 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: so they would clear the side, go three by one 338 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: Alvin Kamar on the warm receiver side and he would 339 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: run the option route. Either runs the angle or he 340 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: runs the quick out and boom it's a completion. Well, 341 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: now if you double team him and you go tight 342 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: man on everybody else where the outlets, that is when 343 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: the offense becomes really really sticky for the Saints, and 344 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: I think Sean Payton is going to have to reconsider 345 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: how they go about it. They may need to lean 346 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: into the running game a little more and create what 347 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: we talked about early um or maybe that was off air, 348 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: the play action under center and try and get their 349 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: shots like that, because I don't know if he's gonna 350 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: be able to get it the way that he's always 351 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: been able to get it and shotgun all go special 352 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: pushing it down the field four verticals. Yeah. The visual 353 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: I would give you with what's going to happen if 354 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: they don't prove that they can get up and get 355 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: over the top is that it's like when you would 356 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: go to the y m c A and you play 357 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: five on five half court. Oh yeah, like we gonna 358 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: run this full like now some the old some of 359 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: the old guys don't want to run full, so like 360 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna run half We're this isn't even a regulation court, man, 361 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: Like we can play the five guys. We can't move 362 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: a lot of grinding so like, but that that's what's 363 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: going to happen. And the reason we didn't see the 364 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: Saints move separate or run away from the rate because 365 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: you kept thinking like, Okay, at some point they're gonna 366 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: run away from this game like that. We're waiting for 367 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: the old Saints and they can't do it well, Teams 368 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: are gonna look at the Raiders and say, well, if 369 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: the Raiders can cover them, and I know Michael Thomas there, 370 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: we definitely are going to add more man to man, 371 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: more pressure, more in their face and see what it 372 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: is the other thing when it comes to being an 373 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: older quarterback, and here's the thing about the older quarterbacks. 374 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: When we got into the league, you didn't play quarterback 375 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: when you're forty years old. Like your quarterback wasn't expected 376 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: to be a twenty year option at the position. We 377 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: got ten years out of him. That was great. Then 378 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: we saw guys play longer. Breath Forard was one of 379 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: the first ones to really kind of play for a 380 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: long time. And then it's continued. But now you're twenty 381 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: years in and the thing that happens is the hits 382 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: hurt more. And so we're seeing Drew Brees. I don't 383 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: see wins what we're seeing him get rid of the ball. 384 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: This is week two. What's this gonna look like in 385 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: week twelve? It's gonna be bad because his arm talent 386 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: would start diminishing and deteriorating at the end of the year. 387 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: And last year he had a five week break, you 388 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: know where you can kind of put the arm on 389 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: ice and kind of have a little juice left. If 390 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: he goes six straight weeks, he's not going to be 391 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: able to last and push it down the field. And 392 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: I just wonder how much Sean Payton can do the 393 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: mass to deficiency love the mind and his as you're making. 394 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: But now the physical ability may begin to have a 395 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: toll on how they want to run their offense. Well, 396 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: you touched a little bit on it a second ago 397 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: talking about being under center. In the advantages of being 398 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: under center, I want to give a couple of numbers 399 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: here for some of these teams in this Shanahan scheme 400 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: and what they're doing. So you look at the rams 401 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: and how efficient they've been. Jared Goff under center seven 402 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: average and ten yards an attempts, two touchdowns, no picks. 403 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: Look at the green Bay run game, the way they've 404 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: been able to get that on tracked under center, green 405 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: Bay's average and six point one yards per carry um. 406 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: So we're seeing some of these offenses. Obviously, Shanahan is 407 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: under center a bunch. We've seen them. We saw them 408 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: just destroyed and demolished the Jets despite all the injuries 409 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: that they had. But we're seeing teams that are under 410 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: center have success. Buck And to me, if you're I 411 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: think about it from a general manager standpoint, if you 412 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: are looking to hire a coach in the off season, 413 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: you know you want to start first and foremost with 414 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: the leader, right, you want to get the best leader 415 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: you can get. But man, if you can, if you 416 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: can craft your staff, that's the offense I'm running like that. 417 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: That is the one that I'm running is the Shannahon 418 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: system where we're under center. And I'll let you explain 419 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: some of the benefits of it. Now, the Shannean system 420 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: is one of the greatest systems. I go all the 421 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: way back to when the Denver Broncos won back to back. 422 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: I was playing in the league, played against him in 423 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: ninety six with the Jaguars, played for the Raiders against him, 424 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: and it was problem. Matckenzie the Chiefs to like, you 425 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: couldn't stop it in there. They had a Hall of 426 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: Fame running back in Tarroll Davis. But the problem is 427 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: in the run game when you're dealing with the zone. 428 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: The outside zone is really the stretch play, so they're 429 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: running off tackle the way that it's designed. You're aiming 430 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: for the inside leg of the offensive tackle and the 431 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: guys giving like the running back is given three choices 432 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: is bend it, bang it, and bounce it. So he 433 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: either bends it back on the cutback, he bangs it 434 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: up in there if there's nothing there, or he bounces 435 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: it outside of the corner. Those are the rules. It's 436 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: a strict where you get to the line of scrimmage 437 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: and that's what it is. And when they're going in Unison, 438 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: it's really like watching elephants on parade. They're all insyne. 439 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: They're just kind of stepping into the area and they 440 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: take anything that shows up and they just kind of 441 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: let you use your momentum against you. And then it's 442 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: on the running back to find the lanes. The complimentary 443 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: passing game, it's so difficult because the line comes off 444 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: the same way, the running back moves the same and 445 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: if you've been getting gutted in the ring game, you're 446 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: flying up and now they come out of it either 447 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: on a bootleg or on a long exaggerated drop, and 448 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: they're running these deep crossing routes like deep pose, deep 449 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: over uh tight and sliding down the line, leaking out 450 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: the back door down the boundary um. The deep shots 451 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: are tremendous. And so if you're not disciplined with your eyes, 452 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: if you're not physical enough, the offense will absolutely expose 453 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: expose your lack of discipline. And it doesn't take what 454 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: I would call an a level quarterback to perform well. 455 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: The reason why you talk about it being the preferred 456 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: system is because you can elevate quarterbacks in that system. 457 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: You make the game so easy form that I don't 458 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: wanna say you can win with anybody, but you can 459 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: win with anybody. And if you get a good quarterback, 460 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: a great and then you go, I mean, you go 461 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: to another level. It brobably. It brought up a good point. 462 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: I was talking to a coach the other day and 463 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: we've had this conversation in the past, and he just 464 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: reminded me of this too. He's like, you know, when 465 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: we're provided, we're looking at our advanced scouting reports every 466 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: week and you look at tendencies, right, and what teams 467 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: like to do. And he said, it's amazing to me 468 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: because I think on the outside, you think, man, you 469 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: gotta change up your tendencies and what you're doing. It's like, no, No, 470 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: the good teams have tendencies because they have things they 471 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: major in, they have things that they're good at, and 472 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: they don't care what you do. They're gonna do what 473 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: they do and be successful. He said, it's amazing. Every 474 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: every week when you look at the report, you're like, 475 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: oh man, these guys have a lot of tendencies. Oh yeah, 476 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: this team is undefeated because they do those things extremely well. 477 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: It is and and and so DJ Like, obviously from 478 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: a high school coaching standpoint, like spending offseason like looking 479 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: at like team building, coachure building or whatever, and like 480 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: the common denominator with all of these businesses and and 481 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: uh companies that operate efficiently. They know what they know 482 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: and they master that. So out West we talk about 483 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: in and out. In the South, they'll talk about Chick 484 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: fil A, where those two franchises are the best in 485 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: the business because in it out they only make burgers. 486 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: They don't try and make chicken tenders, they don't try 487 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: and go out of their way. They have mastered the 488 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: process of making the burger. And so if you do 489 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: it over and over and over again, you get really 490 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: good at the same thing with Chick fil A, you 491 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: get great at making chicken sandwiches. The lemonade is what 492 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: it is. You go there, you know exactly what you're ordering. 493 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't take a whiz to figure out the menu. 494 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: It's very small and it works well. So for the 495 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: Shanahan system, look, they run to two running place inside 496 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: zone outside zone. That's pretty much it. And so the 497 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: benefit of that is the fewer variables that you bring 498 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: into the equation, the more you're able to answer the thing. 499 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: So if I only do this, why I begin to 500 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: know where they only can stop it a handful of way. 501 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: So we're gonna spend all of our practice time working 502 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: against what we know we're going to face, as opposed 503 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: to having more plays, which brings about more counters from 504 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: the defense, which now do I have enough practice time 505 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: to fully prepare my team, and so there's some benefit 506 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: to that. But you're right, great teams have tendencies. They 507 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: know who they are and they're okay. And if you 508 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: beat us doing what we do, we tip our head. 509 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: We go into the next game. It's true. And by 510 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: the way, all this talk about food's got I mean 511 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: craving a little Zaxby's here, I'm hungry man. Zaxby's are 512 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: kind sponsor. We gotta get some food out of this 513 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: deal man. Were sitting here doing the pod you know, 514 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: the chicken they're knowing for the chicken tenders and stuff 515 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: like that like that. Yeah, just give me some tenders, 516 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: getting like the bag, that's what that's what it's for. 517 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: You know, we gotta get We gotta get that. Come on, Zaxby's, 518 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: let's go. Let's get some tenders this way. Um, all right, Hey, 519 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: I want to ask you your thoughts on our on 520 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: our buddy Prime here, Dion Sanders taking the Jacksonville State job. 521 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: Your thoughts love it and knowing Prime really well, then 522 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: call him kind of like a mentor friend and buddy. 523 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: UM text him yesterday about it, and I knew this 524 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: was in the works for a long time because he 525 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: has said a few months ago that he had some 526 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: coaching opportunities but he had to take care of business. 527 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: It was important. I don't know if people realized that, 528 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: Like a few months ago, he graduated, he got his 529 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: undergraduate degree, and so to be a college coach you 530 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: have to have your undergraduate degree. That's one of the requirements. 531 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: So he took care of that, checked off the box. 532 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: He's been coaching down in Texas for a long time, 533 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: over a decade, been with a very um successful uh 534 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: a couple of private schools. The school that he's at, 535 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: the Trinity Christian. They wanted three straight state titles and 536 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: they do it and spend a fashion with him being 537 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinated even though we all know he's basically 538 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: the head coach, like when he's involved, he's the guy 539 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: that's kind of running the show. And so going to 540 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: Jackson State, I think it's interesting. It's interesting on a 541 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: couple of different things. One he took an opportunity to 542 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: some would not take. He went to an hbc U 543 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: a swack school Jackson State down in Jackson, Missis stifty 544 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: where he doesn't necessarily have ties, but he wanted an 545 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to be a head coach. To what it does 546 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: is it'll shed a lot of light on hbc USE 547 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: programs and the players that are end those programs. It 548 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: should be a boom because now he will track a 549 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: lot of attention. TV will naturally go where he's at. 550 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: Scouts will also tend to go where all the attention 551 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: and all the costs because you you could get more things. 552 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: And I think the bigger thing now is um the 553 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: debate that we often have, um can former players great 554 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: former players be coaches? Because the successful head coaches because 555 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: sometimes when you're a great player, you've been allowed, Yeah, 556 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: you've been allowed to skip steps, and so sometimes it's 557 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: hard for you to convey what made you great to 558 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: others who don't have those same gifts. Yea. And so 559 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: that is typically the challenge when you're dealing with like 560 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: a great former player, he's so great, he's been able 561 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: to skip steps. His talent was able to maybe allow 562 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: him to do it. That's why typically when we see 563 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: head coaches, they kind of come from a different lane. 564 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: Maybe they were the Gernaman player, maybe they didn't play 565 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: at all or whatever, so they had to do it, 566 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: and I fellas backup quarterback. That's been that's the most 567 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: popular head coach choice, is the backup quarterback. Yeah, and 568 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting to see what um he does. 569 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: But I think it's it's going to be fascinating to 570 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: watch him take over that program. I think it's fascinating 571 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: to put him in Mississippi, where you have Lane Kiffin 572 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: in one corner, you have Mike Leach in another corner. 573 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: You have enough talent in that state and neighboring that 574 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: he could make a dent in recruiting. And the one 575 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: thing that I've always wondered if you had an HBCU 576 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: program with a magnetic coach who was a great recruiter, 577 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: who can maybe entice some guys that typically would go 578 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: to Power five schools or those things to come down 579 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: and take a chance on the program. You just wonder 580 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: what they would look like. Typically at HBCUs you're dealing 581 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: with a lack of resources. You don't have the facilities, 582 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: and the money is not He's gonna raise money. He'll 583 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 1: raise money. Yeah, it's it's hard to get coaches and 584 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: all that other stuff. But if you can figure that 585 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: part out is a very very interesting scenario. My uh 586 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: my thoughts on that with Prime. First of all, all 587 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: that time he's spending Texas is gonna benefit him because 588 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: that's a pipeline, right, and so he's gonna have relationships 589 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: in that state to be able to get some kids. Um, 590 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, you're not gonna get the kids that were 591 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: Division one kids, but you're gonna get some good players 592 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: because you're gonna know coaches and have good relationships, so 593 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: he can fall back and rely on that number one. 594 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: Number two. Um, to me, if you are any secondary 595 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: player right that is not happy, there is not happy 596 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: where you are. You're at Texas, A and M, you're 597 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: at Mississippi State, you're at wherever you are, that should 598 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: be that he should be the prime no pun intended 599 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: transfer option for those kids to be able to come in. 600 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna get on the field and you're gonna get 601 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: coached by a guy who did it better than anybody else. Oh. Absolutely, 602 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: those contexts and connections are significant because we know like 603 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: Prime is very very involved in the under armour all 604 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: American game. He's coached a ton of those players. He's 605 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: had those players come to his Prime twenty one camp. 606 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: You talk about the ties that he has in Texas, 607 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: one being prime, being a star for the Dallas Cowboys 608 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: to being a successful head coach of successful coach in 609 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: that area. He knows a lot of people and so 610 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: he's going to be able to tap into some resources 611 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: not only in Texas but also in Florida to get 612 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: some kids to play for him. It's going to be 613 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: a very very interesting deal to to kind to see him. 614 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: And I think what's what's funny is he's going from 615 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: he will complete his high school season two then playing 616 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: a spring season at Jackson State. I wonder how he 617 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: delegates and managers, but he's had to do that because 618 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: he had to juggle his NFL network responsibilities with being 619 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: a high school coordinator and those things. I'm just curious 620 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: to see who else he puts on the staff and 621 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: who he has around. Yeah, interest to see how he does. 622 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: We'll be rooting for him again. He's he's he's been 623 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: a mentor and a close friend of yours. He's always 624 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: been incredibly kind and nice to me as well. Uh, 625 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: and he's he's Dion Sanders. I made it for growing up. 626 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: When we grew up, Buck, I mean, there was nobody 627 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: cooler on the planet than than Prime. Oh No, it's 628 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: it's just it's suchus the funny thing to do it. 629 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, like I think, I think you do a 630 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: fantastic job. He gets the right amount of time, and 631 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: he exhibited enough patience because he's turned around a program 632 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: that hasn't had a winning season in a while. If 633 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: he gets it, I think he's going to eventually be 634 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: successful there. But I will say this, that conference that 635 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: he's in, he's in. I mean, there's a really good coaches. 636 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: One of those guys that I talked about. I don't know, 637 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: you remember backup quarterback at Clemson Willie Simmons. No, yes, 638 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: Willie Simmons is a very very successful UH coach down 639 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: at Florida and m He is an offensive family. Yeah. 640 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: I lost the family in the playoffs one year. Yeah. 641 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,239 Speaker 1: They threw it all over the yard and they've just 642 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: made the move to the Swack after being in the 643 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: MEAC for a while. It'll be it'll be interesting. It 644 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: definitely was not my interesting, right, interesting journey, not my 645 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: best start. I mean we're playing Family, right, it's up 646 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: in Boom. We got a home game. I think we're 647 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: the gosh, we had to be the number two seed 648 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: maybe in the in the in the Division one Double 649 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: A playoffs, so they're like the fifteen seed and uh 650 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: so they're coming to Boom now Fam you obviously and 651 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: people don't know this, but up in Boone, North Carolina, 652 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: you do. Being around there, it's freezing during the winter 653 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: and Buck, we were just like, man, it's gonna be 654 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: hopefully it's snowing these these Florida guys, and I want 655 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: anything to do with this cold weather. It was a 656 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: chamber of commerce day, like it was fifty degrees, sun 657 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: was out. I was like, you gotta be kidding me. 658 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: They come out in there and it was Jawan Cider 659 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: I think was the quarterback who played in the Arena 660 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: League forever. They threw it all over the yard on us. 661 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: I turned the ball over. I was terrible. We lost 662 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: in that. We lost in the first round of Family. 663 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: Who's that man? You know? Um essentially it's a different 664 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 1: sell the ball man like and I'm sure if you 665 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: ever get a chance, if our listeners ever get a 666 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: chance to kind of see some of all to take place. 667 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: Normally run thanks you today would always do to buy 668 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: you classic or whatever. But if you ever get a 669 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: chance to look at it, and there's some good players, 670 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: it's a different styles. Wide open offense kind of rules 671 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: the roost um in those conferences. So you see a 672 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: lot of high scoring, a lot of high flyers, a 673 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: lot of skill talent. So it'd be interesting to see 674 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: what Dion is able to do there. And if you 675 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: want any any more information on our buddy Dion taking 676 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: the job at Jackson State, be sure to check out 677 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: the Huddle and Flow podcast with our friends Jim Trotter 678 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: and Steve White actually had Doug Williams HBCU legend on 679 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: to talk about what this could mean going forward for 680 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: the HBCUs. We talked about it previously when we had 681 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: Steve and Jim on our pod and they extend that 682 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: conversation with the Super Bowl winning quarterback, Doug Williams. I 683 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: want to ask you something because this came up, and 684 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: I know we've kind of had talks about analytics and 685 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: you brought up the thing about under center, but I 686 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: want to get your take on There's been a little 687 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: bit of debate because I know you probably didn't see 688 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: the game because you're prepping during the charging game. But 689 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys at the end of the game, it 690 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: was about five minutes left in the game. They score 691 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: touchdown there down fifteen point. Mike McCarthy elects to go 692 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: for two at that point. Um, they don't get it. 693 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: Um they're like the down fifteen they score, so they 694 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: cut it nine. He goes for two, doesn't get it, 695 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: so didn't down nine. So now you need to possessions 696 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: without four minutes level. And so it's been debated because 697 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: the quantity analytics people are telling you, oh, you want 698 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: to go early so you know exactly what you have 699 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: to chase and how to play out the last game. 700 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: For me and I under extend the game. I was 701 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: always taught to extend the game, extend the game because 702 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: it's like basketball. To me, it's like basketball in terms 703 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: of a we're down late, a less start the free 704 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: throw shooting contests early, so we can kind of put 705 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: the pressure on them, right. And so my explanation would 706 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: be the reason why you don't go for two on 707 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: the first attempt is because if you make the game 708 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: an eight point game. For the Atlanta Falcons. When they 709 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: get the ball coming back, they still have to play 710 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: real offense. They still have to a man, we can't 711 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: really run it all the way. We may have to 712 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: throw it. That gives you an opportunity to potentially stop 713 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: the clock with the incompletion, get a play off of 714 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: interception or anything. When you're up nine and you you're 715 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: calling offense one day, I'm thinking, Okay, how much time 716 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: is left. Let's take multiplied times three. I can coach 717 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: on the sidelines doing this stretch, stretch, stretch, I can 718 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: I can take. I can take two plus minutes off 719 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: the clock planning back, and then what are the odds 720 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: that the other team is gonna score? Get the outside 721 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: kick and do it. Now, it worked out, But you 722 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: can't make those decisions based on the result. Man, When 723 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: you're playing the odd you want to give yourself the 724 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: most time. Now, the scenario that I think people should 725 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: talk about is if it's fourteen points and you go 726 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: for two. In that scenario, I think that is the 727 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: right call because if you're down fourteen, you score, you 728 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: go for two. Now you cut the lead the six. 729 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: You can win the game with the kick. If you 730 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 1: don't get it, it it doesn't matter. You just do to 731 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: a two point conversion. Again you tie it. And because 732 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: the two point conversion is fifty fifty, it's like you 733 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: play those eyes. You go twice, you typically get one 734 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: out of two. And so it's just one of those 735 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: things where on Twitter, like you have the quants and 736 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: analytics people say, oh, you gotta go right down. I'm like, 737 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: no time and score in context matters when you make 738 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: these decisions. I think it comes down to applying pressure. 739 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: You know, you keep it's hope. It's two words, it's 740 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: hoping pressure and number one keeps your hope alive. You're 741 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: a one score game, so you you you have continue 742 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: to have hope. But I think it applies pressure to 743 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: the other team versus, like you said, if it's to 744 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: score game. I think they handled themselves a little bit differently. 745 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: But you know, look that there's the numbers. People that 746 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,919 Speaker 1: that look at what strictly at the numbers, I get 747 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: where their explanation is. I just think that you're taking 748 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: out emotion and I think emotion pressure is a real thing, 749 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: and it's a real it's an impact on how they operate. 750 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: For the play caller. Because DJ, we're coaching together, and Okay, 751 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, d what do you think? How do we 752 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: want to take this all? Right? Look, it's it's three 753 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: minutes left. How do we want to play this out? 754 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: When we have the ball? Do we want to run 755 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: it the first two downs and throw on third down? 756 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: Do we want to run it all three downs? Like? 757 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: What is our approach? How many time else do they 758 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: have left? Like all of those things factor into it. 759 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: How many time outs do I have left? Like that 760 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: determines how I play this out? How many they have? 761 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: I want to burn up all their time outs so 762 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: when I punt, they don't have the luxury of time. 763 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: Where are we at when it stands with the two 764 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: minute warning because that's another time out? All of those 765 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: things going too scenario? And I just I mean, I 766 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: just hope there's an equation in a formula that it's 767 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: used it takes all of that stuff in. I just 768 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: don't think it can be UM a single one dimensional 769 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: approach like nope, SI, yeah, I don't think it. I 770 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: don't think it necessarily works like that. UM. I want 771 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on the performance we've seen from 772 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: some of these traded guys. We talked about Jamal Adams. 773 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: We can we can move on from that one. But 774 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: when you look at the receiver Stefon Diggs and Hopkins, 775 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 1: the success there had right away and those teams making 776 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: that aggressive move. Now, you know, obviously with the pandemic now, 777 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: the value of the first round picks, we can debate 778 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: that and this in a weird draft here, but if 779 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: you just look at it, what they what they brought 780 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: in man like, it's it's hard to argue against the 781 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: decisions that were made. The impact those two guys are 782 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: having on young quarterbacks. Yeah, and I think it's funny 783 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: because that is the underrated aspect of the conversation. When 784 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: you have a young quarterback, you want to bring in 785 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: veteran players that already know how to play, because now 786 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: you have an established weapon that can get open. He 787 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: understands how to handle the pressure. Being the number one, 788 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: you can depend on him. It is harder when you 789 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: pair a young quarterback with a young receiver. The odds 790 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: aren't in your favor that both guys are going to 791 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: be mature enough to hand the responsibilities of being franchise players, 792 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: the quarterback and then the playmaker on the outside. Also, 793 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: I think it is easier now when you are looking 794 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: at a number one receiver and to try and figure 795 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: out either how does he fit into your scheme? DeAndre Hopkins. Hey, 796 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: if I walk downstairs and I'll talk to the head 797 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: coach of the offensive coordinator. If we get DeAndre Hopkins, 798 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: how will we use him? And then he'll study how 799 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: he was used at Houston and he was like, oh, well, 800 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: here's what we would do with the things that we have, 801 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna build it out based on what he did. 802 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: What DeAndre Hopkins is doing, he's doing different stuff than 803 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: he did to Houston. He is now running more hitches 804 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,479 Speaker 1: and quickouts and quick things designed to get the ball 805 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: to him. He's using a more complete route tree. Stefen 806 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: Diggs to me, I was skeptical on the Stefan Dixon 807 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: because I was like, man like, Stefen Diggs is such 808 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: a precise route runner and Josh is such a streaky passer, 809 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: will they be able to get the value from him 810 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: as a number one? But they figured it out because 811 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: not only was Stefan Diggs, They've got John Brown and 812 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: Cole Beasley and everyone's in there as signed role. But 813 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: Digs is a terrific route running and his ability to 814 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: create what we call wide open space helps Josh out 815 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: and so yes. It has worked created both teams for 816 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: having a clear vision for how they wanted those number 817 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: one guys to be integrated into the program and into 818 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: the game plan, and it has absolutely helped both young 819 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: quarterbacks take another step in the development, taking their game 820 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: to a whole new level. Um, you can't argue it. 821 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's an arguable. I want to have one 822 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: more topic with you, Buck, and I didn't tell you 823 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: about this beforehand. I'm springing this on you, but I 824 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: was just thinking about this, and this is we do 825 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: hits and missus all the time, and I can give 826 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: you a million guys I've missed on and the lists 827 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: a mile long, but I was thinking back to four 828 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: guys that had a chance to hit on right where 829 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: you're and I'm just saying that you're higher than where 830 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,959 Speaker 1: he got picked. Right. We had them great and higher. 831 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: And I know you're with me on all four of 832 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 1: these guys because we talked about all four of them 833 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: in the run up to the draft, in their drafting years. 834 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: But when you look at I want to give these 835 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: four names, Derrick, Henry, DK Metcalf, McKay, Beckton, Javon Kinlaw. Okay, 836 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: we both had all four of those guys rated much 837 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: higher than where they were selected. And what do they 838 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: have in common? And I know that the I don't 839 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: know the better word to use. Their physical freaks. They're 840 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: so much bigger, stronger, and more athletic than the average 841 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: person at their position. You don't pass on freaks. You 842 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: just don't do it. Man. And to me, they all 843 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: got nitpicked. You look at all each of them, they 844 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: got nitpicked. There there aren't many guys on planet Earth 845 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: that that possessed this combination of size and athleticism. They're 846 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: just they're rare. Don't pass on the rare guys. Man. 847 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, like you talked to a 848 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: bunch of baseball guys. We've had Baseball um executives and 849 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: scouts on the program. And Trace are really big in 850 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: this board like highways. Need the metrics, like the measurable 851 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: aspects of the player and prospect you you can get 852 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: and you can you can try and project him. I 853 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: think with all of those guys, Derrick Henry was big, fast, physical. 854 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: You just don't see running backs coming to that size Uh. 855 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: Dk Metcalf was look a big, fast, physical, stretch receiver. 856 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: He was more straight lined in his approach. But um, 857 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: if you were a visionary, you certainly could envision him 858 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: being a vertical threat. Um, someone that could take the 859 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: top off the defense because you're just asking him to 860 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: do something that was well within his wheelhouse. I just believe, like, 861 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: if your front office and your coaching staff are aligned 862 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: when you have these conversations, is front office a this 863 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 1: guy has all of the traits that you look for 864 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: at the position. What does our developmental plan do we have? 865 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: Are we a team that really develops players? Are we 866 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: a team of schemers? Because I think that matters. You 867 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: have to scout your coaches, and I think in all 868 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 1: of those situations they had developers. Developmental programs then enable 869 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: those players to get on the field and to have success, 870 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: and then they were willing to change some of what 871 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: they did to accommodate their talents. Derrick Henry being a 872 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: downhill runner, where we see the Tennessee Titans played more 873 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: I formation, more under center to allow him to do 874 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: his thing, and in the way that we've seen DK 875 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: Metcalf emerged. But I'm gonna be honest with you, I 876 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: didn't think DK Metcalf was gonna wear our Stephan Gilmore 877 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: like that. I had had a conversation with a veteran 878 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator about Stefan Gilmore and they said, look, his 879 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: best attributes are his instincts and his intelligence. His physical 880 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: ability is not what everyone thinks as they shut down corner. 881 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: And what DK Metcalf did, he exposed that again the 882 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: speed the speed factor is unbelievable from DK Metcalf. But Buck, 883 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: this is let me just give you the let's name 884 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: this theory. It's the playground theory. If you want to 885 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,240 Speaker 1: a playground and you saw Rick Henry, DK Metcalf, McKay, Beckton, 886 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: Javon Kinlaw, you will be They give be the first 887 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: picket recess. It's a playground. Don't don't overthink this thing. 888 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: He's he's much bigger, much faster, much stronger than all 889 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: the other kids on this playground. I'll take him. Okay. 890 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: So it's funny that you say that because we've had 891 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: this conversation in a while about like scouting or whatever. 892 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: Like in theory, it really shouldn't be hard like identify 893 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: who good players are. Just take good players, Like if 894 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: you go into the park and you're watching them play, 895 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: go get the good player. Don't spend a lot of time. 896 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: Oh well, is he a good player? Can of fit 897 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: him into what we do? Let's go like, let's keep 898 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 1: it as simple is that. Let's just keep it simple. 899 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 1: And I think with those things you're playing around theory. 900 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: When it comes to guys that are body beautiful, guys 901 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: who have plus traits, you gotta keep the tires on. 902 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: Like if even if you miss on a guy like that, 903 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 1: you missed going for a high end athlete who also 904 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: played perform at a level that you could potentially see 905 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: him getting better. Look, you swing and miss on those guys, Well, 906 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: you don't swing and miss on our guys that are short, slow, 907 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: nonproductive that you're trying to stretch out like and get 908 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: a guy you know, I mean, we don't see you 909 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: don't my my definition of somebody that fits in this categories, 910 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: you don't see one every year. I haven't seen a 911 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: running back like Derrick Henry going back to probably to 912 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: Brandon Ja so much faster than you know with DK Metcalf. 913 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean that you get a receiver like that probably 914 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: once every you know, I don't know, seven eight years 915 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: you see a guy that's just that physically big and 916 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: strong and fast. Um, McKay Beckton is uh, you know, 917 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: I compared to McKinney, to Bryant McKinney. Like, guys that 918 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 1: have that size and skill set, they don't come around, 919 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 1: but every so often. That Javon Kinlaw is another example. 920 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: And we had Javon Kinlaw on the in the top ten, 921 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: probably should have had him even higher, probably in the 922 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: top five when it's all said and then we look 923 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: back on it because he's he's so all and long 924 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: and strong, explosive like that. He's when you're comparing guys 925 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: like Richard Seymour that these guys don't come around very often. Man, 926 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: So I just I don't understand sometimes and you know what, 927 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: I know he's been injured and that may be factor 928 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: into why he dropped. But Derwin James would be another 929 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 1: example of just somebody at that And that's the one 930 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: that that's the one that I struggle with because I'm 931 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: looking at him and I'm I'm biased because having watched 932 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: him since he was sixteen seventeen and and knowing what 933 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: the makeup is, I couldn't believe. Like on draft, I'm like, man, 934 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: I cannot believe this d Like, like what am I missing? 935 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: Am I too close to the fire, because like, this 936 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: dude has everything that you want. He's big, he's fast, 937 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,760 Speaker 1: he's physical, he's instinctive, he's tough, he loves the game, 938 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: he has playmaking ability. Man, why am I off? And 939 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: I I just had the toughest time understanding that. And 940 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: I do believe that those freaks you have to grade 941 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: them accordingly and you have to have enough imagination to 942 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: be able to articulate how this player is going to 943 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: perform at the next level. Now it's it's fascinating to me. 944 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: But anyways, that wasn't I was a fun discussion. And 945 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: that's why I love about the Polois. We weren't even 946 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: talking about this coming into the snow. But another guy 947 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: that I would kind of put in there because DJ 948 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, right, like he said, that's another great example, 949 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: like like just different, like Lamar Jackson, Colin Murray. I mean, 950 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: I guess we could throw Pat Mahomes and they all 951 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: the kind of freakish in the way that they perform 952 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: and because they were I would say, so different from 953 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: the traditional quarterback that we've seen. It makes it hard 954 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: to kind of issue out there great now Fat Mahomes. 955 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: We knew about Art Tewn, but like his game was 956 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: unorthodox based on how you played the Texas tech Lamar 957 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: Jackson when you want, you like man like, I don't 958 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 1: know if I've ever seen this work in the league, 959 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: like he runs around or whatever, but DJ like, I'm 960 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: gonna read some to this. Dude is the first quarterback 961 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: in NFL history to have forty five touchdowns and fewer 962 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: than ten interceptions in the first hundred first six hundred 963 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: pass attempts. Do you know who else is in the 964 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,800 Speaker 1: company with fewer than twenty interceptions Mahomes, Dan Marino, and 965 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner. That's it, Like and so like man we 966 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: go back and you're like man like the bottom of 967 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: the first round grade he rushed for fifty yeards and 968 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: back to back years one of Heisman did all this 969 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: stuff when I had to duel with Deshaun Watson where 970 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,800 Speaker 1: he was the better player and made he made Louisville relevant, 971 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: which they had not been for a very long time. 972 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: But I mean like and and and to me, you 973 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: can look at some other guys like when Gronk, when 974 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: Grant came out and that was his back. That's kind. 975 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 1: But he's a physical freak. Um. You know, Quentin Nelson 976 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,319 Speaker 1: went high. I mean, he was a top ten pick, 977 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,839 Speaker 1: but he was a physical freak at Notre Dame. So 978 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,399 Speaker 1: it's those guys. Don't pass on those guys, man, don't 979 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: do it. God, yeah, it's but it's fascinating to watch. 980 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: But you know what happens. Those freaks paved the way 981 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: for the next generation of freaks because we won't make 982 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: the mistake that the next quarterback or next playmaker, the 983 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: shows hints of those skills that the aforementioned guys had 984 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: have shown to jump all over those I guess what happens. 985 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: Like Russell Wilson paved the way for Calumuri to be 986 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: able to exist. By the way, did you see his 987 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: touchdown with this the skip to my lou stutter step 988 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: and in dancing? I think I think he's found his 989 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: mojo as a runner this year because he didn't show 990 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: that last year. But this year he he is fully 991 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: embracing all that he is as a player. How good? 992 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: How good is? How good is the pinky promise? Looking 993 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: at man? Let me take that to the band, like 994 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: seven seven spots, seven spots to get to the playoffs. 995 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm feeling good about it, feeling good about I'm feeling 996 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 1: very good about it. All right, let me handle some 997 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: business here. Let you guys know you can stream live 998 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: and local primetime games for free on your phone and tablet, 999 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: but down only the NFL app or Yahoo Sports app. 1000 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: So give your heads up on that one. Uh. We've 1001 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: had We've had some fun podcasts over the last year, 1002 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: and it got me thinking about the baseball podcast we did. 1003 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: As we're going towards the postseason, we had a chance 1004 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: to have je Whoyer on from the Cubs, who are 1005 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: going to go to the postseason. Um, we had Gosh 1006 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: Mattingly was on, who's done a great job with the Marlins. 1007 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts again, the Dodgers, the best team in baseball 1008 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 1: right now, Thad Levine with the Twins. They're gonna go 1009 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: to the postseason. So we got a chance. If if 1010 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: you're if you kind of want a little baseball flavor 1011 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: as you go towards the postseason, go back in the 1012 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: archive and find the Move the Sticks podcast. We did 1013 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 1: the Winter Meetings edition where we talked to a lot 1014 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: of these guys that are having success this year, and 1015 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 1: I thought they gave us kind of the blueprint for 1016 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: their plans and and that, Uh it's kind of cool 1017 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,479 Speaker 1: to look back on that now that we're heading towards 1018 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 1: the playoffs. It is really cool. 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