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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where Kim Maulky

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Speaker 1: accidentally added us to LSU's team slack and now we

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Speaker 1: Prayer Hands, arm Flex American Flag Basketball. It's Thursday, March

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Speaker 1: twenty seventh, and on today's show, we'll be talking to

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Speaker 1: USA Today's Sports columnist Nancy Armour about everything from being

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Speaker 1: a quote unquote national disgrace and her March madness takes,

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Speaker 1: to Lindsay Vaughn's return to skiing and the philosophy that

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Speaker 1: drives Nancy as a journalist. Plus one sport makes an

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Speaker 1: welcome back slices. Here's what you need to know today.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the NWSL where our coming soon FC

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Speaker 1: new and much anticipated name was finally unveiled on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: the Boston Legacy Football Club Boston Legacy FC. The change

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Speaker 1: comes five months after public outcry about the original name

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Speaker 1: Boston Nation FC and the too many Balls marketing campaign

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Epstein said of the new name, quote, we aim

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Speaker 1: for our values to reflect a city that breathes competition, passion,

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Speaker 1: the way before us, including the game changers who helped

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Speaker 1: build previous women's professional teams in Boston. End quote. The

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Speaker 1: club plans to unveil its crest and full branding this summer.

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Speaker 1: My opinion, Legacy's kind of underwhelming. It doesn't feel specific

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Speaker 1: was still in the running for this year's Walter Cup, except,

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Speaker 1: of course, for the sixth place New York Sirens. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Sirens' ears must have been ringing because on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: What those six goals broke the PWHL record for most

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Speaker 1: In fact, policies like the one World Athletics plans to

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Speaker 1: and scientific research showing their flaws and drawbacks. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you haven't heard it already, listen to the podcast Tested.

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Speaker 1: It's a six part series on the history of sex

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Speaker 1: testing in sports that will offer a lot of context

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Speaker 1: in Love Pro Volleyball. The two top teams in the

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern tonight. Will link to the full Love schedule

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. We got to take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back. It's Nancy Armor joining us now.

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Speaker 1: She's been a sports columnist for USA Today since twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Previously spent twenty years with the Associated Press and has

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Speaker 1: and she's never left. Meghan Kelly called her a goddamn

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Speaker 2: Hello, Sarah, how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good, real quick on that. Megan Kelly thing

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Speaker 2: I mean, I consider it a badge of honor. You know,

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Speaker 1: I actually completely agree, And when I ended up in

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Speaker 2: That would not be safe for anybody. So Lindsay's last

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Speaker 1: You wrote a great column about it's not just about Lindsay,

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Speaker 2: She's just twenty two. She won the Super G in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get to some of the spots

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Speaker 2: that's chicken or the egg. You know, where were you

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is the first time ever that women's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. First of all, can we just talk about the

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Speaker 1: I agreed, But also at this point, when I say

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Speaker 1: But we do lose out on that matchup, which was

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Speaker 2: still be in the conversations, but it's not going to

432
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Speaker 2: be nearly the rock would have been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I might actually cry if she's sitting

434
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Speaker 1: on the bench with a gentleman god knee brace watching

435
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Speaker 1: her team, I think I might actually cry.

436
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to be in Spokane, so like

437
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Speaker 2: if you see somebody leaping at court side, that would

438
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Speaker 2: be me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, we'll be sort of take a screen grab

440
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Speaker 1: and then circle you and post it everywhere. Nancy, you've

441
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Speaker 1: been writing about sports for decades. I wonder how you've

442
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Speaker 1: seen the folks in charge of the places at which

443
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Speaker 1: you've worked changed their approach to women's sports coverage.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we're covering it now, first of all,

445
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Speaker 2: And I have been very fortunate in that I have

446
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Speaker 2: almost always had a female sports etter, like my boss

447
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 2: is almost Yeah, that's unusual. It's super unusual, and I

448
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 2: didn't realize like how good I had it. I started

449
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Speaker 2: with the AP and the sports editor for a long

450
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: time was Terry Taylor, and so there was never any

451
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Speaker 2: you know, any kind of oh, you can't do this,

452
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Speaker 2: because the person running our entire department was a woman.

453
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Speaker 2: So there was never any kind of that, you know,

454
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Speaker 2: some of the crap that my colleagues got at their places.

455
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Speaker 2: And then when I moved to USA Today, Mary Byrne

456
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Speaker 2: was my first editor, and Roxanna Scott is our editor now. Actually,

457
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Speaker 2: our entire leadership team is female in USA Today Sports,

458
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Speaker 2: which is tremendous. So you know, from that perspective, that

459
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: hasn't changed for me. But I think the emphasis and

460
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Speaker 2: the recognition that we need to cover women's sports, not

461
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Speaker 2: just not because we should, but because they are sports

462
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Speaker 2: and we need to cover them and use that word,

463
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Speaker 2: that connective tissue. We need to write about the transactions,

464
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Speaker 2: We need to write about the fact that, you know,

465
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Speaker 2: Cody McMahon went into the transfer portal today as opposed

466
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Speaker 2: to just doing you know, great features, which there's a

467
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Speaker 2: place for those, but we need to treat on the sport. Yeah, exactly.

468
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Speaker 2: So I think that's where I've seen the biggest change.

469
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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned earlier, Caitlin being this gateway and

470
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Speaker 1: changing the way that people see the larger sports world

471
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Speaker 1: as women's sports and particularly women's basketball as a part

472
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Speaker 1: of sports. And I feel like I've been during my

473
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Speaker 1: time at ESPN, I had this view of radio, podcasts, television, writing,

474
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Speaker 1: even producing, and at each turn I would see how

475
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Speaker 1: different decision makers and gatekeepers scanned the news for what

476
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Speaker 1: would go in that show, What do we want to

477
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Speaker 1: talk about on Around the Horn, what do we want

478
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Speaker 1: to talk about on my nightly national radio show, my podcast,

479
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Speaker 1: everything else? And I feel like Caitlin was the gateway

480
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Speaker 1: drug where they had to start scanning for Caitlin news,

481
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Speaker 1: which meant NCAA Basketball News, which then meant WNBA News,

482
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Speaker 1: which now has sort of opened the door ajar for

483
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Speaker 1: maybe NWSL and other things too, because instead of just

484
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Speaker 1: saying what's happening in the four major men's pro sports,

485
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Speaker 1: they now think what's happening in this larger group of things.

486
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Speaker 1: People are interested in it and demanding. I think we

487
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: silo sports on this show, women's sports for a reason

488
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: and for a purpose. But I hope eventually everyone will

489
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: just talk about sports. What do you think is still

490
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Speaker 1: getting in the way of us being able to just

491
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Speaker 1: say sports and everyone knows that that could be women's,

492
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Speaker 1: men's whatever's the news of the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just time. I hope that it's

494
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Speaker 2: just time that, you know, we're seeing people when they

495
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Speaker 2: talk about the NCAA tournament, we're talking about the whole thing.

496
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Speaker 2: You know, we could be talking about pagebackers, we could

497
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Speaker 2: be talking about Cooper Flag.

498
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Speaker 1: I think it's just and just Cooper Flag because that

499
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Speaker 1: is the only name of a men's college basketball player I.

500
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Speaker 2: Know, Okay, good one, same, the only one.

501
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Speaker 1: I don't know a single other name.

502
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Speaker 2: And you know what, there were plenty of people who

503
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Speaker 2: before the tournament started felt that exact same or thought

504
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: that exact same thing, like Cooper Flag, Yes, got that one.

505
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Speaker 2: The rest of them, man, I don't know. So yeah,

506
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Speaker 2: I think it's just you know, stars help, big names help.

507
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: And so the fact that we have had this gift

508
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Speaker 2: with going from Caitlin Clark then to Pagebackers, to Juju,

509
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Speaker 2: to Hannah Hidalgo and Olivia Miles. You know, we've we've

510
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Speaker 2: had this line of stars and then you know in

511
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Speaker 2: the w n b A You've got Fee, You've got Stewie,

512
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Speaker 2: You've got you know, Angel, you have all of the people.

513
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Speaker 2: And I think that as you know, as that pool

514
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Speaker 2: of stars, as they get more recognized in the in

515
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Speaker 2: like the public domain, whether that's through commercials or appearances places,

516
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Speaker 2: I think that that's going to tear down whatever boundaries

517
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Speaker 2: continue to exist, at least I hope.

518
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I agree. The last decade has seen a

519
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Speaker 1: pretty drastic shift in standards and expectations when it comes

520
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Speaker 1: to the behavior of the leader of our country and

521
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Speaker 1: other politicians of the media. And I wonder, you know,

522
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Speaker 1: you write a lot about the intersection of sports and

523
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Speaker 1: social issues. Have you seen or felt a difference in

524
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Speaker 1: how you're writing has been assigned, edited, or received, depending

525
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Speaker 1: on who's at the helm.

526
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Speaker 2: No, And that is one thing that I have been

527
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Speaker 2: very fortunate. I've never been told to write something, and

528
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Speaker 2: just as importantly, I've never been told not to write something. Now,

529
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Speaker 2: if I am writing, especially these days, something about the

530
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Speaker 2: president and you know, him turning his little interview during

531
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Speaker 2: the National Football Championship game into a campaign spot, do

532
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Speaker 2: my editors take a closer look at it? Does it

533
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Speaker 2: get maybe a second or third read? Of course, But

534
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm okay with that. But no one is saying, oh,

535
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Speaker 2: you can't write that, or we just had somebody write that,

536
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Speaker 2: so you can't write that. I mean, there's there is

537
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Speaker 2: none of that. There is a you know, yeah, if

538
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Speaker 2: you want to take on tough issues, if you want

539
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Speaker 2: to take on tough topics, go for it. Just we'll

540
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Speaker 2: just make sure that you know every I is dotted

541
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Speaker 2: in there, every T is crossed.

542
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Speaker 1: We recently have this hockey writer from the Athletic Kaylee Salviannon.

543
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Speaker 1: She's one of the few like major women Talkeey writers,

544
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Speaker 1: and we talked about how she has to be thoughtful

545
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Speaker 1: about her coverage because her impact is outsized as one

546
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Speaker 1: of the few go to voices in the space, And

547
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Speaker 1: I wonder how you think your role has a columnist

548
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Speaker 1: on women's sports has changed as the women's sports space

549
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Speaker 1: has changed. How much do you have to be aware

550
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Speaker 1: of how what you say, or your reporting or your

551
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Speaker 1: journalism is impacted by the space in which it lives.

552
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Speaker 2: I don't know how much I think about that because

553
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Speaker 2: I never really want to think about the potential impact,

554
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Speaker 2: because I don't want to make myself pull back or

555
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Speaker 2: you know, think twice about saying something for fear of

556
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Speaker 2: either pissing somebody off or you know it. Obviously, if

557
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be causing harm, that's a completely different story.

558
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Speaker 2: But I don't want to. I'm not going to. I'm

559
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Speaker 2: not going to not take a tough stance because I

560
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Speaker 2: worry that it might damage the women's game or you know,

561
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Speaker 2: a women's sport or a female athlete. And to me,

562
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Speaker 2: that's hopefully aside of the growth of the game that

563
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Speaker 2: I write the same way about women's athletes, women's teams,

564
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Speaker 2: women's leagues as I do and have written about men,

565
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Speaker 2: and I think we should. I think that's the way

566
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: that we should be handling it. So I tend not

567
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: to think about those types of things. Again, like if

568
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Speaker 2: it's the potential to do harm, that is a completely

569
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Speaker 2: different conversation.

570
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Speaker 1: But just right, I think that's where we're kind of

571
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 1: in a sticky spot right now, because agreed, yes, we

572
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Speaker 1: need to get past the cheerleader phase and be able

573
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Speaker 1: to be honest and critical because that's a space that

574
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Speaker 1: sports needs. And also, to your point, if there is

575
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Speaker 1: harm caused because of an misunderstanding about the space or

576
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Speaker 1: the nuance that's required to work in it, it is

577
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Speaker 1: different than men's sports, where, for instance, the safety of

578
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: women athletes, they have less money for security, or there's

579
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Speaker 1: more intersectional issues around race, gender identity, sexuality in the

580
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: way in space, So if you're not aware of those

581
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: when you're asking questions or setting up interviews, you might

582
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Speaker 1: potentially cause harm to your point, So yeah, it's like this,

583
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: just the more people have been in the space and

584
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 1: know it, the better usually because usually they're coming to

585
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: it with an understanding. Versus if you parachute in for

586
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: your one story and you don't know how it works,

587
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: it can be sometimes insulting to the athletes. I know.

588
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: Sue Bird has talked about how our interviews are sometimes

589
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Speaker 1: just the same four pop points off our Wikipedia, and

590
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Speaker 1: she can just tell immediately, oh good, thank you for reading.

591
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Speaker 1: And here comes the question about something wacky in there

592
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Speaker 1: that everybody thinks they're the only one to ask me about. Yeah,

593
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: it's complicated. I mean, you know, we've had other journalists

594
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Speaker 1: in here that I think their approach of everything should

595
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: be the same as the men's game can be harmful,

596
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Speaker 1: and so it's it's how do I make sure I'm

597
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Speaker 1: being fair and critical without making a space that's already

598
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Speaker 1: subject to so much toxicity even more poisoned.

599
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I I do this. I've done this

600
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Speaker 2: since the beginning of my career in sports. Is I

601
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: kind of go into it assuming that I don't know

602
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Speaker 2: much because like, for example, I never played football, and

603
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Speaker 2: so when I started covering Notre Dame, which was my

604
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: first like full time beat, there were a lot of

605
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Speaker 2: things obviously that I didn't know. So I asked a

606
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Speaker 2: lot of questions and things that never made it into print.

607
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Speaker 2: If they weren't questions from an interview perspective, they were

608
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Speaker 2: a hey, help me understand this, or what am I

609
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: not seeing? Or how should I be looking at that?

610
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Speaker 2: And I've kind of you. I've kind of carried that

611
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Speaker 2: forward with the rest throughout the rest of my career.

612
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Speaker 2: So especially because I do cover a lot of different things,

613
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Speaker 2: so I might not be necessarily parachuting in, but I'm

614
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: not in that space day to day, so I make

615
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: sure to ask people like, Hey, what do you know

616
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: about this person? Or what should I know when I'm

617
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: covering this or about this? Or I didn't know about that?

618
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Speaker 2: Can you explain that to me? So I'm in addition

619
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Speaker 2: to being a sports junkie, I'm just like an information jockie.

620
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: I want to know all of the things. So I've

621
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Speaker 2: always kind of operated that way, and I think that's

622
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Speaker 2: a really I think that's an important thing with covering

623
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Speaker 2: women's sports, because you're right, you can do there is

624
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: the potential for harm unintentionally, right, but you need to

625
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: be aware of that.

626
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Speaker 1: So of course, part of that is just being willing

627
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: to learn and evolve. And I when I was starting

628
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: in the business, I would hear someone say that they

629
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: had twenty years experience, and I would be jealous. I'd

630
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Speaker 1: be like, oh my gosh, they're insight, They're acclaim all

631
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: the things they've done and now that I have about

632
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: twenty years experience, I realize that immediately signals to people

633
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: that I'm of a certain age. Right, oh, twenty years Okay,

634
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: Well you have reached thirty years experience, and I wonder

635
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: if you check in with yourself to be sure you're

636
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Speaker 1: evolving with the times, applying the knowledge you've gained, while

637
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: still staying open to what it is you don't know.

638
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you have to, because it's you know, avolve

639
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: or by basically whether it is using technology or keeping

640
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: up with what is currents in popular culture, all of

641
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: those things. It part of it is you don't want

642
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: to look like a dinosaur. But also you need to

643
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: meet the people that you're covering where they live. And

644
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: in sports, we're mostly covering people who are in their

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Speaker 2: teams or twenties or thirties, some forties, but most people

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Speaker 2: what is important to them, what things they might you know,

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Speaker 2: think are important that maybe my generation doesn't. You have

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Speaker 2: to at least have an awareness of all that I think,

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Speaker 2: and not to say that you know it makes you

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Speaker 2: buddies with them or anything like that, because that's not

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Speaker 2: a thing anyway, or that's not what you should be

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Speaker 2: going for anyway, but to have an understanding so that

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Speaker 2: you can you can go in with a base knowledge

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Speaker 2: and someone have a respect for where these these people

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Speaker 1: I completely agree that connection that comes from at least

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Speaker 1: trying to get on their level. In some way. I

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Speaker 1: do struggle because I don't want to spend even more

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Speaker 1: time on social media. I don't want to be on

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Speaker 1: TikTok all day so that I can know what trend

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Speaker 1: know why they're doing that, so I don't say something

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Speaker 1: dumb around these younger athletes, but also like I have

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Speaker 1: shit to do. I don't have time to pay attention

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Speaker 1: to that. You know, your bio at USA Today reads

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Speaker 1: in part I definitely know I don't have all the answers,

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Speaker 1: If you can think of a question you've changed your

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Speaker 2: A question that I answered differently now because you can

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Speaker 2: particularly in women's sports, that so many of the coaches

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Speaker 2: I think originally I would have I looked at it

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Speaker 2: as you want to have a coach who can relate

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Speaker 2: to their athletes. And obviously, and you know, not to

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Speaker 2: say that that's goingted to be the case for everybody,

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Speaker 2: but a female coach is probably going to be able

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Speaker 2: they have experienced some of the same things. But I

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Speaker 2: think now I look at it more of you know,

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Speaker 2: like when Muffatt MacGraw went off on her you know

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Speaker 2: a few years ago. It really made me made me

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Speaker 2: think about it and look at if we are not

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Speaker 2: younger generation, if the next generation is not being trained,

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Speaker 2: that that has a detrimental effect in a number of

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Speaker 2: different areas. You know, Mikayla Schiffrin two years ago said specifically,

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Speaker 2: And so I think the way that I look at

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Speaker 2: initially thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think also I used to push

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Speaker 1: that's not the way we want them. To look at

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Speaker 1: it in reverse, when you're looking at women for predominantly

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Speaker 1: male jobs, or even something like you know Ruth bay

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Speaker 1: is enough? And she's like all of them?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: There were there were these things that felt extreme to me,

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a joke that you know, everybody

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Speaker 1: point where, like all of this overcorrect until we die,

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Speaker 1: because at this point it's not working to be fair

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Speaker 1: one half of the population, not all men hashtag, but

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Speaker 1: would push back on anything that changes the status quo.

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Speaker 1: And it is as much an agenda to want things

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Speaker 1: to say the same as it is an agenda to

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Speaker 1: want them to change. But we get demonized for desiring

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Speaker 1: change way more than people get demonized for wanting them

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Speaker 1: to stay the same. And so at this point we

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Speaker 1: not only where there's a better equality of representation, but

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Speaker 1: and then it becomes the norm without needing to overcorrect,

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Speaker 1: because it's established as something that is more all Right,

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Speaker 1: I just went on a rant. Sorry, I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: about that lately.

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Speaker 2: No, I totally agree with you, and I think there's

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Speaker 2: so much power. Like I went to Kansas City last

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Speaker 2: again twenty twenty four, and it's the first time we

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Speaker 2: have a purpose built stadium for women's sports, Like that's

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Speaker 2: just absurd. But the current had a player who I

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Speaker 2: think she was sixteen at the time or had maybe

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Speaker 2: just turned seventeen. It was her first NWSL game and

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Speaker 2: she will never know a time in her career where

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Speaker 2: there was not at least one stadium built specifically for

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Speaker 2: a women's team, and that that might not sound like

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Speaker 2: a huge deal, but it is. Like and when we

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Speaker 2: were talking before about not being able to backslide, things

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Speaker 2: like that matter. There are stakes in the ground. There

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Speaker 2: is concrete that has been over that you cannot you know,

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Speaker 2: you can't just knock that down, or you can, but

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be freaking expensive, right, And that's how you

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Speaker 2: get changed when you have things like that. And I

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Speaker 2: think it's yeah, so if we don't over correct it,

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Speaker 2: if we don't make this an emphasis, we're never ever

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Speaker 2: going to get permanent change, or we might get it

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Speaker 2: for a year or two and then it could backside.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm right there with.

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Speaker 1: You all right, we write it. Don We write it.

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Speaker 1: Don Nancy, Thank you so much for the time, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining, for you're inside, thanks for continuing to

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Speaker 1: write great stuff. We'll keep reading it. We got to

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Speaker 1: take another break when we return. A moment that didn't

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Speaker 1: take long to earn a spot in the Good Game

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Welcome back, now slices. When it comes

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Speaker 1: to sports, every hall of fame has different rules. Almost

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Speaker 1: all of them required that an athlete be retired in

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Speaker 1: order to be eligible for induction, while some require a

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Speaker 1: waiting period of ye three years or more. But here

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Speaker 1: a Good Game we make our own rules, which means

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Speaker 1: we're allowed to induct a player whose Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: worthy moment happened just a few days ago. That brings

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Speaker 1: us to the latest edition of the Good Game Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. Yes, the Good Game Hall of Fame, where

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Speaker 1: we celebrate women's sports lore, the kind of legendary stories

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Speaker 1: we should all know by heart, just like we know

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Speaker 1: about Babe Ruth's called Shot, Bill Buckner's Air, and Merkles

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Speaker 1: Boner Google it your pervs. We've got some catching up

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Speaker 1: to do in women's sports, though, so grab another plaque

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Speaker 1: and find a good place on the wall. Today we've

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Speaker 1: got another inductdee. Last weekend's NCAA Hockey Championship featured the

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin Badgers and Ohio State Buckeyes, and it came down

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Speaker 1: to the wire, featuring one of the most chaotic endings

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Speaker 1: we've seen in a long time. Trailing three to two

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Speaker 1: with under two minutes left, the Badger's got two lucky breaks,

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Speaker 1: first when Ohio State got hit with the penalty for

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Speaker 1: too many players on the ice, and then with just

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Speaker 1: eighteen seconds left, when an Ohio State defender covered the

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Speaker 1: puck in the crease and Wisconsin was given a choice

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Speaker 1: a penalty shot. That choice was easy. Legendary Wisconsin coach

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Speaker 1: Mark Johnson told the ref they'd take the penalty shot,

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Speaker 1: and then he turned to his players, asking who wants

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Speaker 1: it now. It's worth noting here that Johnson knows a

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Speaker 1: little something about pressure himself. He was a member of

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Speaker 1: the nineteen to eighty US Olympic men's team that won

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Speaker 1: in that game that earned the title of Miracle on

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Speaker 1: Ice a performance that helped him earn induction into just

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Speaker 1: about every hockey Hall of Fame. But let's get back

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Speaker 1: to the present. So Johnson posed the question and down

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Speaker 1: on the ice in front of him, Kirsten Simms hand

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Speaker 1: shot up. That was that. The twenty year old from Plymouth, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: skated confidently to the center of the ice, and her

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Speaker 1: penalty shot was a butte the definition of a dangle.

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Speaker 1: With the game tied three to three and headed to overtime,

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Speaker 1: and he guesses who scored the game winner just two

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Speaker 1: forty nine into sudden death overtime, yep Sims again asked

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Speaker 1: a true hockey player, credited her teammates with the decision

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Speaker 1: take a listen. I mean, I can't really say it

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Speaker 1: was like initially my choice. I had everyone on the

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Speaker 1: bench screaming sim Simms, you do it, you do it.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, you know what, whatever, I was like,

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Speaker 1: coach is gonna need to see my hand go up

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Speaker 1: for me to actually go so and what about our coach?

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Speaker 1: Would Mark Johnson of Miracle on ice Fame have raised

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Speaker 1: his hand in that moment?

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Speaker 3: I was asking several people after. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: I wanted, if I was playing, I would take the shot,

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Speaker 3: just because again, it's like nothing. You got to be

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Speaker 3: as free as you can be right in that moment.

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Speaker 3: You can't be thinking about anything other than I'm going

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Speaker 1: Talk about pressure. Welcome to the Good Game Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: Kirsten Simms. We'll find a nice spot for that plaque.

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Speaker 1: score from twenty seventeen from the third quarter when the

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots were down against the Atlanta Falcons twenty

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Speaker 1: eight to three. Below that, the new name Boston Legacy,

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Speaker 1: next to an aligned with the final score of that

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, the Patriots winning thirty four to twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: a legendary comeback win. I get it. Sports law in

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Speaker 1: any town is just sort of a universal language that

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Speaker 1: everybody speaks, and that comeback win was one of the

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Speaker 1: most legendary games in sports history. And they're poking fun

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Speaker 1: at their own terrible start, which I like. But when

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Speaker 1: so many of the complaints about your initial rollout involved

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Speaker 1: centering men's teams in the video, centering the idea of

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Speaker 1: men with the too many balls garbage, and not including

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Speaker 1: women's teams, then what brainiac thought rolling out Yet another

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Speaker 1: reference to men's sports was the move here. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: was a post that originated from the supporters group, but

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Speaker 1: the comments make it clear that many supporters still don't

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Speaker 1: like the constant references to men's teams. Now listen it.

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Speaker 1: They want to post this in a month or two. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's funny, but for the official admin account to make

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Speaker 1: this their second post after the name change announcement, it

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Speaker 1: just holds too much weight in my opinion. Also, is

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Speaker 1: the comeback really complete if you're already fumbling the rollout

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Speaker 1: of the new name with the same mistakes that you

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Speaker 1: made the first time and clearly heard from a bunch

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Speaker 1: of fans that they didn't like. Side note, the team

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Speaker 1: also posted a quote from a Wall Street Journal story

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Speaker 1: about the rebrand and the new name, titled she hit

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Speaker 1: the Button and all Hell Broke loose. How the sports

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Speaker 1: team everyone hated came back but then almost immediately deleted

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Speaker 1: that from their Instagram. Curious. Anyway, We're rooting for you, Boston.

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Speaker 1: Just maybe hold back on the whole team everyone hated

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Speaker 1: coming back until you actually come back. Let's just finish

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Speaker 1: this rollout of the new name and try not to

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Speaker 1: step in anything else, and then I'll celebrate. Now it's

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Speaker 1: your jurn y'all right, thanks for listening, See you tomorrow.

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