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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back, guys to another episode of Cutting

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Speaker 1: the Distant Podcast. I'm Dirk Durham, and tonight I've got

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Speaker 1: an old friend and fellow podcaster, old Jim Huntsman himself.

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Speaker 2: Who you call an old.

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Speaker 3: I guess I am the guy with the white face here.

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Speaker 2: How's it going?

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Speaker 3: Man? Good good?

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Speaker 1: I would grow a really big, big beard, but every

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Speaker 1: time I even get a little bit shaggy, everybody says, oh, hey,

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Speaker 1: Santa Claus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, that's I'd look like zz tap man.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I keep mine nice and trimmed.

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Speaker 1: Zz top or old Bolt Bill Golden from the Oakreage Boys,

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Speaker 1: big Beard and along hair man ooom up a mile out. Well, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I got Gym on the podcast here tonight, and we

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Speaker 1: want to talk about something that's kind of been grinding

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Speaker 1: my gears for a while and been you know, I've

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Speaker 1: been kind of watching social media and whether it's a

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Speaker 1: hunter posting or maybe maybe a fishing game entity, they

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Speaker 1: post on Facebook or whatever and they talk about, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's time to voice your opinion on different regulation.

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Speaker 3: Changes or whatever. But there's this big.

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Speaker 1: Division, and I think we see it everywhere. America is divided, right,

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Speaker 1: it seems like if you like purple, if you like green,

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Speaker 1: if it doesn't matter when people are taking a lot

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Speaker 1: of sides and really divided right now in America, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think social media or media in general is

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Speaker 1: helping things out. So I thought i'd kind of talk

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Speaker 1: to you about it. And it kind of bothers me

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Speaker 1: a little bit, because if you look at the if

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Speaker 1: you look at the overall picture, I think we're all

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Speaker 1: in this thing together.

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Speaker 3: We all want the same goals.

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Speaker 1: But man, we get kind of caught up in all

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Speaker 1: the bickering and back and forth on on social media

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Speaker 1: and commenting and and on it. I honestly think there's

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Speaker 1: some people on there that would would never say the

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Speaker 1: kind of things they say on social media to another

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Speaker 1: person's face, but for some reason, they start typing and

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Speaker 1: and they they feel like, you know, they don't have

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Speaker 1: to respect their human their their their human counterpart. They

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Speaker 1: don't have to respect their fellow hunter. And uh, what

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts, Jim.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that it's I think it's a bigger

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Speaker 2: problem than what a lot of people are even giving

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Speaker 2: it credit for. I think that this division is used

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Speaker 2: against us by not only you know, the the hostile

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Speaker 2: vegan crowd or the anti hunting crowd. I think that

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Speaker 2: it it creates like this disparity in beliefs and values

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Speaker 2: that are going to be important when we have to

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Speaker 2: come together when the anti hunting movement grows larger and

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Speaker 2: louder and more influential on the non hunter and so that,

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Speaker 2: you know, having that what's the word I'm looking for.

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Speaker 2: There's when when people are mad at each other, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna not want to support each other. So like, for example,

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Speaker 2: if there is some regulation being passed about a rifle season,

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Speaker 2: for example, and the rifle hunters and the bow hunters

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Speaker 2: have been bigger and back and forth, and they've got

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Speaker 2: like this animosity build up. Why is that bow hunter

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Speaker 2: going to go help support that rifle hunter if there's

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Speaker 2: some kind of you know, regulatory or peace of legislation

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Speaker 2: or commission decision coming down the pike. Because they don't

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Speaker 2: like each other essentially, and we're like looking at each

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Speaker 2: other in the it's it's misplaced anger and animosity when

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Speaker 2: we have a much bigger threat and a much bigger

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Speaker 2: problem and a much bigger enemy, you know, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's a major issue. I remember, Dirk,

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Speaker 2: when when I was a kid, there was this gas

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Speaker 2: it would take like polaroids or they'd go get pictures

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Speaker 2: and all that. Obviously we're talking like the early nineties

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Speaker 2: but everybody would post the picture of their buck or

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Speaker 2: some point some jokester took a marker and blacked out

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Speaker 2: or whatever. But people hunters back then, this was like

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Speaker 2: this stuff where people were pissed that somebody respected that hunter,

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Speaker 2: that fellow hunter, and and that was like the attitude

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Speaker 2: back then, and and all it was was probably some

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Speaker 2: kid that decided that, you know, thought he was funny

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Speaker 2: to black out a tooth, and uh, but but people

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Speaker 3: Did was probably me? It was probably you. I That's

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Speaker 3: what I said back then.

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Speaker 2: I was like nine years old.

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Speaker 1: It was a little bit of a Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a whitacre. Well, I still kind

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Speaker 1: of am. I would do it today.

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Speaker 2: I would. I'm dude, I'm in my forties. I'd black

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Speaker 2: out somebody's tooth in a funny picture. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it just kind of speaks to the difference in

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Speaker 2: how respect levels were in terms of you know, these

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Speaker 2: They didn't care about the method of take in which

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Speaker 2: they killed that buck. They didn't care about you know,

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Speaker 2: brands that you wore, or bows that you shot, or

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Speaker 2: you know whatever, it doesn't matter. They the point was

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Speaker 2: there was there was a lot of unification and that

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Speaker 2: doesn't exist today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy and the tangents people get on. For instance,

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Speaker 1: I've seen one here on Facebook the other day. It

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Speaker 1: was Idaho Department of Fishing Game. They were wanting some

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Speaker 1: public input on whether people wanted to continue using number

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Speaker 1: eleven musket caps or is it number the eleven number eleven? No, yeah, number.

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Speaker 2: Eleven, number number eleven percussion caps and and good luck

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Speaker 2: with that because you can't find them anywhere anyway.

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Speaker 1: You can't buy them two falls ago. I was going

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Speaker 1: to take advantage of the muzzli ter season, and I

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Speaker 1: every little mom and pop gun shop somewhere should have

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Speaker 1: couldn't find them, and luckily a friend of mine gave

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Speaker 1: me some of his. But so, anyway, then they acknowledged

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Speaker 1: that that it was kind of a they're hard to

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Speaker 1: hard to find these days, and they're they're saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: wanting public input. What do you think about going to

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Speaker 1: the shotgun grammers?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: You know, can are you guys against it or for it?

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Speaker 1: And honestly, I'm I'm for it just because of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then who knows, you know, ammunition and primers

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Speaker 1: In the comments, people were mad and then they're saying,

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Speaker 1: scopes were never mentioned in the questionnaire, but you know,

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Speaker 1: negative on it. But it was just crazy, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then pretty soon people are bicker amongst each other

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Speaker 1: and then they're you know, well have you ever killed anything? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of stuff, And you know, it

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Speaker 1: just the conversation just degrades from there and you see

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Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of supporters. But eventually somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: then you got you know, those guys tag team each

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Speaker 3: Type a bunch of mean, hateful things.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, it feels like it seems like

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's more to it. And ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 2: I think we're all guilty of that, Derek. I mean

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Speaker 2: we we've all gotten on Facebook, especially Facebook seems to

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Speaker 2: this was a total this was a non serious post.

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Speaker 2: But as a test, I posted the meat yield difference

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Speaker 2: between my four and a half or five and a

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Speaker 2: This buck ey'd killed. The meat yield of that one

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Speaker 2: I everybody, anybody who's hunted, we all know it's obvious.

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Speaker 2: You know, these bigger, these more mature bucks, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: get a lot more meat, right, And so that's what

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what I wanted to try and see how

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Speaker 2: easily people are triggered when it comes to this hunting topic,

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Speaker 2: because let's face it, hunter are just you know, we

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Speaker 2: stuff is important to us, and so I posted it,

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Speaker 2: basically reported the meat yield, purposely, not advocating whether or

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Speaker 2: not we should hunt big bucks, mature bucks versus little

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Speaker 2: bucks or anything like that. I said nothing about that.

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Speaker 2: It was just strictly like the facts of here's how

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Speaker 2: much meat this buck gave, here's how much meat this

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Speaker 2: buck produced, and you know, we butchered all all ourselves,

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Speaker 2: so I was able to control all the all the

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Speaker 2: weighing and everything. And man not not five minutes after

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Speaker 2: don't tell me what kind of buck I should I

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I literally posted this to see

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Speaker 3: And it's a we shouldn't poo poo on other people's parades.

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Speaker 2: bow in December, in January or something. They get it

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00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 2: all you know, set up for them, and and they

435
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: start getting out there in the spring and flinging arrows,

436
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: and they you know, go to some three D archery shoots,

437
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: and they listen to podcasts, and they watch a bunch

438
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 2: of videos and and and they buy like the some

439
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: of those online hunting courses, and and they're putting all

440
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: this effort. They buy a bunch of new gear, new

441
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: new Camo, new boots, and they they come around to

442
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: season and they get in an air a situation where

443
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: they're not here in bugles and maybe their unit is

444
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: really crowded. These are real problems. These are real problems.

445
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: You'll go into an area that looks super elky on

446
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: like on X, and then you'll get there and it's

447
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: like a desert well, like the aliens came in and

448
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: abducted They abducted all the elk. You know that you're

449
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: not getting a sound. And you'll go to another unit

450
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: and it's like everybody and their dog and the governor

451
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 2: and the governor's dog is there bugling for elk, you know,

452
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: and they're just super swamped. I'm not saying those issues

453
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: don't exist, but I'm saying that people don't allow themselves

454
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: to be flexible enough to adapt to whatever the situation is.

455
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: And then you know, season ends, they don't notch a tag.

456
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: And the best place to air that dirty laundry is

457
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: to make excuses as to why that happened by blaming

458
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: the fish and game or blaming the rifle hunters, or

459
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: blaming the muzzleloader hunters, or the houndsmen, or the bait,

460
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: the bear bais, you know, all these different hunters, these

461
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: other these factstions, if you will, that make up hunting,

462
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: and they can use that as an excuse, and they

463
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: could they could take their that pain and anger that

464
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: builds up from not notching a tag and put you know,

465
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: some kind of label as to why it didn't happen

466
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: outside of the fact that maybe you just didn't go

467
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: far enough from the road. Maybe you didn't weren't flexible

468
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: enough to switch units or drive thirty miles down the

469
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: dirt road and find an area that wasn't so crowded.

470
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe those were some of the things that led

471
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: to you know, tag soup, and not the fact that

472
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 2: you know, I heard I this like perfect for this.

473
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: Somebody was complaining about wolves killing all the elkiness unit

474
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: that I know almost for a fact, there's no wolves

475
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: over there, and so it's like it's that kind of stuff,

476
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: you know. And and the other part, too, is what

477
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: you were talking about when you're saying, like, you know,

478
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: you like to you enjoy the archery c and then

479
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 2: going into the rifle season and the muzzleloader. I like

480
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: all those two because I like the experience. I love

481
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: rifle hunting. I think it's fun. I really enjoy rifle hunting.

482
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: It's a totally different experience, and I love bow hunting too.

483
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: But people have a tendency to want to blame the

484
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: system versus blaming themselves. So like, if the season are

485
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: not set to what you think they should be, that

486
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: does not mean that every hunter out there thinks or

487
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: agrees with your opinion on it, because there if you

488
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: take a hundred hunters, you're going to have a hundred

489
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: different opinions as to how that season should be set.

490
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: And the better approach to it would be to check

491
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: out what those seasons are and work hard with those seasons.

492
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: Don't work against them, work to those seasons, you know,

493
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: focus on how they are laid out. Okay, rifle season

494
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: doesn't open until you know middle of October. For elk,

495
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: what are the elk doing in middle of October? What

496
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 2: are they doing towards the end of ours Cober? You know?

497
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: And and focus on that. Focus your energy on that

498
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: instead of worrying about whether or not the entirety of

499
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: the fish and game agency and whatever state you're hunting

500
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: in is going to change that season because you don't

501
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: like it.

502
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I have to look in the mirror.

503
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh me too.

504
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: This season twenty twenty three, my ELK season here, I

505
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: want to choose a unit that was a little closer

506
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: to home and have the opportunity to hunt with my

507
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: son some more. And I didn't do all my due diligence,

508
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: and you know, I did my summer work, did scouting,

509
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, check the unit out and found ELK. It's like, wow,

510
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: this place is great. It's beautiful, has a little bit

511
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: of everything. There's back country, you know, if you want

512
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: to pack in, if you want to try real hard

513
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: and hike to the deepest holes, there's that. If you

514
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: want easier days where there's some roaded areas, there's that.

515
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: So fast forward to opening opening day. Opening day was great.

516
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: There's a few people around them, not too many. But

517
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: after lay day, you know what happens that Labor Day weekend,

518
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: everybody shows up and nobody went home, and more and

519
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: more people came and this place was a zoo.

520
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: There were people everywhere. Literally every place that you.

521
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: Could possibly camp, there was someone camped and Immediately your

522
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: mind starts racing, like.

523
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 3: Gee whiz.

524
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: You know, the fishing game, they shouldn't sell so many

525
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: tags in this units?

526
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: A yeah, yeah, yeah.

527
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: The funny thing is like I hardly saw any non residents.

528
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: They were all Idaho plates.

529
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

530
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: No, Idaho's had a been big influx of people moving recently.

531
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: That's true else but yeah, we won't say that, say

532
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: that place. But anyhow, I was just like, man, they

533
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: need to cut the tags back here, you know. And

534
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: immediately that was my first knee jerk reaction. Then as

535
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: you sit and dwell on it a little bit, it's like, no, dummy,

536
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: you should have done your homework a little better. The

537
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: fishing game provides it's all the all the information and

538
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: data at your fingertips. I should have looked of how

539
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: many tags they sold that in that unit last year?

540
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: How many and what was the harvest rate? What was this?

541
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: What was that?

542
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: You know, it breaks it down, you know, spikes, how

543
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: many percentage of elk that were harvested were spikes? How

544
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: many were six point or bigger? You know, there's a

545
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: lot of data there in the hunt planner, But I

546
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: I overlooked that.

547
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: That's my fault.

548
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: That's one of those everyone else's fault for trying to

549
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: go out and have a good time.

550
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's that it's that same thing where it's

551
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: the mistake I make all the time where you'll find

552
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: a unit that seems like it's close and convenient to town,

553
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: and you'll look at it in the summer and nobody's

554
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: up there, but comes September, the place is packed because

555
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: everybody else has the same mindset. They they you know,

556
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: if you're if you're hunting outside of like a big

557
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: metro area, everybody wants that closer access. We don't want

558
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: to drive six hours every time. It'd be nice to

559
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: just drive an hour from home and get up in

560
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: the sticks and find some pugl and bowls. And so

561
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: that's that's always a factor. And you know, there's no

562
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: getting away from it either way, because like even if

563
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: it's three hours from home, there's people that are gonna

564
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: be like, I'm gonna get away from the crowds by

565
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: getting further away from town, and it's still crowded, you know,

566
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: And so it's it's hard to it's hard to say, yeah,

567
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: what's gonna work. But I don't know. That's I guess

568
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: that's that's why they call it hunting, and it's it's

569
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: not you know, we're not We're not just going up

570
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: to fetch an elk, right and and uh a couple

571
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: of hundred pounds of meat. We're going up there to hunt,

572
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: and and it's gonna be tough. And what makes it

573
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: tough or not just the elk and the terrain you

574
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: gotta cover. It's it's uh, it's the other hunters. It's

575
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: the non residents and the residents, and the and the

576
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: seasons that the Fishing Game Agency sets up. It's it's

577
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: all that. And you have to play into that game

578
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: because if you're not playing the game, you're not gonna

579
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be successful. And and you know, bitching

580
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: about it on facebook's not gonna not gonna help you

581
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: next year.

582
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: Right right? Absolutely? Yeah.

583
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: I feel like people don't like to look at the

584
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: man in the mirror too often, you know, face the

585
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: fact that, well, maybe maybe I'm the culprit, maybe I'm

586
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: the problem, maybe I should.

587
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: Have planned better.

588
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: Now, what are your thoughts on bad apples? So we

589
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: do have some bad apples in hunting. You know, young

590
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: people who are caught poaching, you know, the people who

591
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: are maybe putting videos on there that maybe the general

592
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: public is just not ready to see yet. Those are

593
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: usually pretty pretty polarizing as well. Yeah, and kind of

594
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: a dumpster fire as well. What are your thoughts on

595
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: that stuff?

596
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: That's such a tough question, man, That's been a big

597
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: discussion on my show. It's like a who decides what's

598
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: okay to post? You know, because I have my opinions,

599
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: and you're going to have your opinions, and maybe your

600
00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: opinion isn't the same, and everybody listening to the this

601
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: is going to have their own opinion. In terms of

602
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: the bad apples, I don't care if you're talking about

603
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: a church, a company, an organization, a government entity, a

604
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: knitting group, club, or a bottle cap collecting club. There's

605
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: always a percentage of bad apples that tend to shine

606
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: that negative light on the rest of us.

607
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: Right.

608
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: I think I just told this story. But when I

609
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: just got out of boot camp in the Marines, and

610
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: you know, you're all you're all pumped up, You're all,

611
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: you know, filled with pride and motivation. No, I'm a

612
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: US Marine now, I just got out of boot camp

613
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: or whatever, and then I get out and they give

614
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: you like this ten day leave time to go home

615
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: and walk around and in your dress blue uniforms and

616
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: flaunt the fact that you just became a marine or whatever.

617
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: All over in the newspapers was the headline was two

618
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: US Marines post wild horses in like the Mojave Desert.

619
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: Oh geez.

620
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: So instead of saying that two guys went out and

621
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: poached horses, they labeled it two US Marines and they

622
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: were they were Marines. They were stationed at a camp

623
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: Penalton or whatever in California there, and they went out

624
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: and had killed some horses, you know. And the problem

625
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: with that is is that reflects on the entirety of

626
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: the Marine Corps. So everybody thought that Marines were nothing

627
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: but a bunch of innocent horse killers, wild horse poachers,

628
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: you know. And this went on for like months. Everybody

629
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: was talking about it, you know that it was national

630
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: news and and so that sort of thing that that

631
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: same thing happens in the hunting space. If we have

632
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: somebody like if you remember, if you remember back a

633
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: couple of years, those those uh, those younger guys had

634
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: wounded that little buck and the buck is struggling, but

635
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: couldn't get up, and they're over there like filming them

636
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: selves kicking this buck. And then there was this other

637
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: video that came out where they they had hung the

638
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: carcass in a garage and uh, these young again young

639
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: young guys were pouring beer into the chest cavity and

640
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: shooting like, like, what do you call that where you

641
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: beer really fast foot Like, yeah, beer bombing, that's what

642
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: it was. I was drawing a blank. Ye I've drank.

643
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: I drank so much beer in my life, I can't

644
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: remember cool terms like that, beer bonging. And they were

645
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: like bonging the beer out of the mouth of this

646
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: this buck hanging upside down in a garage, and then

647
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: they put that they chose to put that on social media. Now,

648
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: those two examples are super obvious things of stuff that

649
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: we need to police ourselves on. We can't allow stuff

650
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: like that to be posted because that reflects on the

651
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 2: entirety of the hunting community. PETA is going to grab

652
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: a hold of that video and they're going to put

653
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: it out to thousands, if not, if not millions of

654
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: people and say, look look at what hunters do. Look

655
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: at what these red I kill billies do to these

656
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: innocent animals and that that message is gonna you know,

657
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna have some some lady sitting on

658
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 2: our couch watching a late night show and this peda

659
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: commercial comes on and these these hunters are kicking the

660
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: crap out of a deer that's wounded and can't get up,

661
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: and it's making all this noise, and that is going

662
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: to be her representation in her mind, that is going

663
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: to be her perception as to what a hunter is.

664
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: So like two weeks later, maybe she that same lady

665
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: sitting in church and the guy next to her is like, Yeah,

666
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: I can't wait for church to get out so I

667
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: can get up on the mountain and go deer hunting.

668
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: She's gonna look negatively on that guy because she thinks

669
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: he's gonna go out there wound a deer and then

670
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: kick it and paunch it and film it and put

671
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: it on Facebook. So those are the obvious things that

672
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: I think as hunters, as a community, we need to

673
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: jump on that kind of stuff. Those kids that were

674
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: pouring the beer down the chest cavity, I hit them

675
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: up all on Facebook and I was trying to get

676
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: them on my show. They one of them responded, but

677
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: they wouldn't come on my show. But those are the

678
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: kind of people we need to police ourselves. It's the

679
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: other stuff that is a is a much more difficult conversation.

680
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: It's stuff that is like h and I bring this

681
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: example a lot up on my show where they they've

682
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: got a coyote in a foothold trap and they're they're

683
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: filming themselves walking up to this coyote that's just freaking out,

684
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 2: making all this noise, yipping and yapping and that circle

685
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: of death. He's going crazy in this circle of death.

686
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: And the guys are laughing and making this big deal

687
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: and this scene and and oh, we're killing or I'm sorry,

688
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: we're saving a bunch of deer because we're gonna get

689
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: this kyot. And then bam, they shoot this coyote and

690
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: then they post that video. The thing is with that

691
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 2: is there are some gnarly realities that come out of

692
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: hunting and trapping, and we know that as hunters, we

693
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: know the brutality that can come out of it. We

694
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: don't have to show that stuff. We don't have to

695
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: show that stuff. And I am not going to be

696
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: like the judge and jury as to what we should

697
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: and shouldn't post. But I think obvious things like that

698
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: we need to police ourselves and start reaching out to

699
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: those kind of people. And you know the proverb proverbial guy,

700
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: I can't speak tonight, man, shake your finger at those

701
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: kind of people and let them know, hey, man, that

702
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: that is not a good look for us as as

703
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: a community. You need to take that video down. And

704
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: I am not saying you know, your your average kill

705
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: shot with a bow or rifle shot and stuff like that.

706
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: I am talking about the extreme ones that that the

707
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: non hunter. I'm not talking about the anti hunter. We're

708
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: not going to change their mind. It's the extreme or

709
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, the non extreme, non hunting, average citizen that

710
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: doesn't have any real exposure to hunting that are going

711
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: to see something. And you have to really use common sense.

712
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: If some non hunter sees this post, are they going

713
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: to think negatively or positively about hunters? And that is

714
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: what's going to bode for us in the future when

715
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: it comes down to who the stakeholders are in the

716
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: future of hunting and if it comes down to like

717
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: a ballot initiative, you know, should deer hunting continue in America?

718
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: You know, not that I think that's right around the corner.

719
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 2: But I do think that that is in our future.

720
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: At some point, it's going to come down to like

721
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: a vote, a populous vote, and those people are going

722
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: to remember those nasty videos that we posted. Are that

723
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: poor coyote in that traphold? I love hunting and trapping

724
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: coyotes too, so don't anybody mistake me. I know the

725
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: brutality that goes into it, especially when you're trapping him,

726
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: but I don't show that stuff. I don't think I've

727
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: ever posted one of my coyotes, and I've killed a

728
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: lot of coyotes, and I don't care if you do.

729
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you shouldn't. I am saying in that context,

730
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: that's where we got to police ourselves, not showing them

731
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: in that circle of death and everything else, you know,

732
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: and showing that helpless coyotes sitting there with his foot

733
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: stuck in a foothold trap and a bullet going through

734
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: his head? Why show that? Why do we have to

735
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: show that? I don't know, what do you think?

736
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: I think it's just too graphic.

737
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: And here's here, I think as hunters we sometimes forget

738
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: our personal individual roots. We don't forget, we take that

739
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: for granted. So where you came from, what you've seen,

740
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: what you've done in your life. You know you've seen,

741
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you've done a lot of you've run

742
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: a trapline, maybe you've shot and butchered a lot of animals,

743
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, in the woods, you know, cut them up

744
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: in pieces, pack them out, you know, whatever you were,

745
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: you grew up in the mountains, a small town, you've

746
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: done a lot in the woods, in the backwoods. But

747
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: what a lot of us don't realize, I think, is

748
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: not everyone has had those same exposures in their life.

749
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: So a non hunter, new hunter, maybe a hunter who's

750
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: been hunting for twenty thirty years, they just never have

751
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: seen something of that kind of a graphic nature, or

752
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: maybe haven't participated in anything similar to that to where

753
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: they see it, and it's it's disturbing. And as a

754
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: non hunter, if they've never been exposed to any kind

755
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: of animal death, then that would be a gruesome thing

756
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: to witness, right absolutely. If you're a trapper and you've

757
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: shot lots of lots of coyotes and then you you're

758
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, you know what it's all about, right, Yeah,

759
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: For instance, here here there. There was a video that

760
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: kind of went viral on Instagram the other day. The

761
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: guy was he shot an elk. He cut the head off,

762
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: and it was really steep country and is so steep.

763
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: Rather than cut the meat off of the carcass right

764
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: there and pack it on your back down this steep hillside,

765
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: he rolls the elk, the headless elk, down the hillside,

766
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: and it rolls and tumbles way down the hillside, saving him.

767
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: You know, lots of work, lots of you know, you

768
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: got a lot closer to the truck, you know, right,

769
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: But not every but he's ready to see that, you know,

770
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: the video to exact cost that video, not everybody is

771
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: ready to see it.

772
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: You know.

773
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't personally don't have a problem with I thought

774
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: it was wow, that's ingenious.

775
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: That's good. I saw that.

776
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: I saw that video and and I thought the same

777
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: exact thing. You. I'm like, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

778
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't film it and put it on Instagram.

779
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: No, No, And you know, I don't think anyone. I

780
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: don't think he was probably trying to disrespect the animal.

781
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: You know, the animal's dead, he's taking his life. He's

782
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: going to try to get that thing closer to, you know,

783
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: his destination, and probably it was probably warm out. Let's

784
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: let's get this thing down the hill quick as we can.

785
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's not a good look.

786
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: Though.

787
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I'm not going to share that kind of

788
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: a video. Yeah, maybe I'm you.

789
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: Know, maybe maybe some things can remain a little bit

790
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: of a secret, right, you don't. And so I feel

791
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: like because there was a he got a ton.

792
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 3: Of hate mail.

793
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: Oh I read I read all those comments.

794
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: Lots read all the comments, you know, and people were

795
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: very mad and upset, and I think, you know, as

796
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: I read through the comments, I'm like, you know, and

797
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: that's what got me to thinking, like, you know, not

798
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people have had the same upbringing or

799
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: have had experienced taking an animal's life. Even there's a

800
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: lot of new hunters, you know, maybe they've never even

801
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: killed an animal, but they would like to kill a

802
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: deer or whatever, but they haven't shot ground squirrels or

803
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: coyotes or other deer or elk or whatever. They have

804
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: no experience with that. And then they see that and

805
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of one of the it's kind of graphic

806
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: in something I'm really hard to digest if you've never

807
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: thought about it or seen it. So yeah, man, that

808
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: maybe before posting videos like that, we you know, I

809
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: would censor myself like oh this is cool, until like, well,

810
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: I don't think this is not something for everyone to see.

811
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: And I actually I've always I've always like respected the

812
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 2: way that you post when when you get an elk down,

813
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: your posts are always super tasteful looking like it's there's

814
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: just something you always give, like reverence and respect to

815
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: the animal in some way. You're not like laying down

816
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: next to it, trying to give it a kiss in

817
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: the ear or whatever some of these weird pictures people do.

818
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's always just a good clean photo, you know,

819
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: like an honoring and it's honoring multiple things. You're honoring

820
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: yourself as a honor, you're honoring the animal, and you're

821
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: honoring the the experience that it was. But you know,

822
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: getting back to what we were talking about, you you

823
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: nailed it, man, that there are people that go through

824
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: this life that have no experience. You've got to remember

825
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 2: there's a huge part of the population, even if they're

826
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: meat eaters, they have never been on a farm, they've

827
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: never seen something butchered. They've never seen something killed outside

828
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: of maybe a spider getting stepped on, and even that

829
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: bothers them. So I saw a post the other day

830
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: somebody was out muzzleloader had had got a cow elk down,

831
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: and it was a big, beautiful cow elk and they

832
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: had got a good shot of it, and it was

833
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, the snow light snow had

834
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: fallen and they'd kind of staged the yel cleaned it

835
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: up a little bit. But the problem, See, what hunters

836
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: don't like pick up on, because this is something we've

837
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: been exposed to for a long time. What we don't

838
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: pick up on sometimes, and I'm guilty of this is, uh,

839
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: the blood bath that ensues from a fifty caliber muzzleloader

840
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: going through flesh like this, right, and so around this

841
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: this elk was just I mean, it looked like somebody

842
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: brought in a garden hose full of blood and it's

843
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: it's up and down the tree, and it's all over

844
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: the snow and and like to to guys like you

845
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: and I, that's just normal. We we expect that, right,

846
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: and it's it's not it's not bothersome. But think about

847
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: the person that has never been and uh, that has

848
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: never been exposed to that, and how are they going

849
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: to react? And we can be jerks and we could

850
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: be we could sit around and talk about how well

851
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't care how how they are. I'm a hunter.

852
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: They need to know how this is, this is this

853
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: I I only care about what I post. Okay, they

854
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: need to toughen up and grow a pair or whatever.

855
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: But you have to understand that these people, it's not

856
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: about that. Like, I've never been to a place where

857
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: they butcher cows, and it would probably disturb me. And

858
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 2: I raised cows when I was like, I didn't personally

859
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: raise them, but our family are we we raised cattle,

860
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: and uh we would send them off and we'd never

861
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: see him again. You know, I didn't go out there

862
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: and butcher these things. And you know, so something like that,

863
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: I imagine I might be slightly disturbed by seeing that

864
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: that that rod or whatever go through the head. But

865
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: the other side to that too is you know, have

866
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: you seen that meme Dirk that has been going around

867
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: where it's like everybody's there at Thanksgiving and uh, it's like, oh,

868
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: there's our deer hunter. And then the next next person

869
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: is like, oh, there was deer I saw some deer

870
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: in my yard, and and somebody else was did you

871
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: bring me some deer?

872
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: Me?

873
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: You know that whole thing where you're you're sitting there

874
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: and there's a fan to catch, Did you catch a

875
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: deer's yet? And I always text you that. I think

876
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: I text you that this year? How many elks have

877
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: you catched yet? Dirk?

878
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: Anyway?

879
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: The uh? But but if you as funny as that

880
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: meme is, you have to think about those are the

881
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: people when you post, when you post something that you've

882
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: killed out in the field. Those are the people that

883
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: see that, that are sitting there and they're they're the

884
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: ones asking you if you catched a deer right, and

885
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: and they don't have exposure to this life. They don't

886
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: know how. They couldn't even begin to tell you how

887
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: to gut a deer. They couldn't tell you how much

888
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 2: blood is visible when when you do got a deer.

889
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: They can't tell you how quickly a coyote'll come in

890
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: and snatch your venison right out of your head, you know,

891
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: wherever you leave it, if you're taking one load out.

892
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: They don't know how all that stuff works. And it's

893
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: not because they're stupid. It's because that's just not what

894
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: they do. And so those are the people when you

895
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 2: post something, is one of the people at that table

896
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: and that meme going to see that on Facebook while

897
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: they're sitting there after dinner one night and think, man,

898
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: that is some brutal shit. Why would somebody do that?

899
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: And I think that we need to start having more

900
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: conversations about what that means and how we kind of

901
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: police ourselves and clean up our own house before we

902
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: start judging these other houses, like the hostile vegan crowd

903
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: or the anti hunting crowd and all these other crowds

904
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: that want to see our lifestyle taken away before we

905
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 2: start getting after them. We need to clean up our

906
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: own house and look at what the non hunter has

907
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: been expo because we already have things like Hollywood is

908
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: against us, we have anti hunting groups putting out propaganda,

909
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: we have some hostile commissions on some of these wildlife

910
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: agency boards. We have all these things that are against us,

911
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 2: and we're just like playing right into their game plan.

912
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: And I think that it's time to stop kind of

913
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: pussy footing around the fact that these conversations need to

914
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: be had because the future of hunting really is at stake,

915
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: and we are the ones that are solely responsible for

916
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: any of the negative press that comes out of it.

917
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, I think everybody just needs to step back

918
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: sometimes and think about when somebody voices an opinion or

919
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they just said something online, you know,

920
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: and it's maybe not a method of maybe you don't

921
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: like bow hunting, or maybe you don't like traditional archers,

922
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: or maybe you don't like whatever, and but you have

923
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: to think about that person and what what part of

924
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: hunting do you like? Well, I like this part and

925
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: this is what's really important to me, and I am

926
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: very passionate about it. Well, you have to understand that

927
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: other person. They're just as passionate about what they like

928
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: as much as you're passionate about what you like. And

929
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: it's all a form of hunting, right, so as long

930
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: as it's you know, as long as you're not shooting

931
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: holes in the boat, you know, and long as you're

932
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: not being a bad apple, you know, if it's a

933
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: legal method to take and the optics are good on it.

934
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: We should support each other. We should, you know, we

935
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: should have each other's we should have each other's back.

936
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be so quick to rain on somebody's parade

937
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: because they don't shoot the same bow you shoot, or

938
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: the same rifle caliber or.

939
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: Muzzle, whatever it is.

940
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, we shouldn't be so quick to rain on someone

941
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: else's parade. We should we should have, you know, applaud

942
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: them if you if you have some negative to say,

943
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: maybe you should think about it before you say it,

944
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: and maybe not say it, just like let it go.

945
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: Because really, if I learned this a long time ago

946
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: on the internet, like, if you want to sit there

947
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: and argue, you can argue for as much time as

948
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: you want to sit at a computer and type the keys,

949
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: and as fast as you can type, the people will

950
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: do the same thing.

951
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: So I've been so guilty of that. Yeah, oh yeah,

952
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 3: you know it's not my day. First day on the internet.

953
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: Right back when I first got on the internet, they

954
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: felt like I needed to talk to say some things.

955
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: But honestly me too.

956
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, it just ain't it's not worth it,

957
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: you know that the time to try to try it,

958
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: especially if you're going to say something negative.

959
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

960
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: I think I think if we can all just work

961
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: together towards supporting hunting all types, that's legal, that's ethical

962
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: and has good optics. You know, I think we should

963
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: all kind of work work towards that instead of trying

964
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: to tear each other down over over car caliber of

965
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: cartridges and broadheads and lighted knocks and expandable broadheads. Yeah,

966
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: traditional bows and wheelbows, and there's I mean, there's a

967
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: million different things to argue about.

968
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 3: Is there a public land versus private land? Yeah?

969
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, private or you know, high fence hunter versus public

970
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: land hunter. And it's like you have the problem is

971
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: is we're breaking these down into like these these factions

972
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: and there's like nothing worse than that post that you

973
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: just mentioned that, Hey, what's the best caliber for elk hunting?

974
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: Or what's the best caliber for deer hunting? Man, I

975
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: cringe anytime I see that, because, hey, for let me

976
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: tell you something. I've been deer hunting since I was

977
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: a kid, and I don't care. I don't care what

978
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: caliber you choose. Everybody has their opinion. I have my favorite,

979
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: but I've killed deer with all sorts of different calibers

980
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: and all sorts of different ranges. Yeah, it's really that

981
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: that's such a question that is so dependent on the

982
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: particular individual hunter. But back to you, But to your

983
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: point that you just made, I think it's really important

984
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: that we talk about that because those are some of

985
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 2: the factions we have. We have your your private land

986
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: versus public land. Hunter, You've got your OTC versus you know,

987
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: your your special draw or whatever. You've got your guided

988
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: hunter versus DI I Y. You've got your you know,

989
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: high fans versus public land, and you can there are

990
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: a million different ways to break this down, but at

991
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I've I've always maintained that

992
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 2: hunters we're looking for three things. And and I don't

993
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: care what your method to take is. I don't care

994
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: if you're a rifle or a bow hunter, or a

995
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: fly fisherman versus a bait fisherman. Specifically, for hunters, we're

996
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: looking for three things, and that is that primal connection

997
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: to nature is one right, and then you've got the

998
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: meat in the freezer. You may not even know, you

999
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 2: may not even you might not even recognize that. But

1000
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: the re and why it is so exciting, and this is,

1001
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, this is probably more specific for like men's personalities,

1002
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 2: but that is something that we seek and we almost

1003
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: required in our lives. And that's why I think, well,

1004
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: that's a whole other podcast episode. So we're looking for

1005
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: that primal connection in nature. We're looking for meat in

1006
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: the freezer. And the third thing is we're looking for

1007
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: that memory. And those are the three things.

1008
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: That's it.

1009
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 2: That's that's all all hunters are always looking for. Sure,

1010
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: does are there variations out of that where you know,

1011
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: somebody might go hunt a brown bear that's not good

1012
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: eating or want to go hunt a wolf that's not

1013
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: good eating. Yeah, I get it. We don't need a

1014
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: nicolin Again. That goes back into why rip this whole

1015
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: concept apart, because the concept of what ninety nine point

1016
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 2: nine percent of hunters are pursuing is we are looking

1017
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: for that primal connection we're looking at, which is adventure.

1018
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: That that feeling of fulfillment you when you get out

1019
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: there and it's yourself up against a wild beast and

1020
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: you're successful. That's that connection we're looking for because we're

1021
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: not participants in nature. We are part of nature when

1022
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: we are hunters, and that that freezer full of meat

1023
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: is a super important aspect. Like I am I am

1024
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: very serious about filling our freezer. That's that we don't

1025
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: buy a lot of store bought meat unless I have

1026
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: a really bad year and that happens. And then that

1027
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: third thing, that memory. That memory could be anything from

1028
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: a big, you know, nice taxidermy mount on the wall,

1029
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: or it could be just something that's in your mind,

1030
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 2: you know that memory. Thirty years from now, you'll remember

1031
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: getting your first cow elk with a with a muzzleloader,

1032
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: for example, or my daughter shooting your first spike, you know,

1033
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: buck or something like that. Or it could be a

1034
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: nice euromount, or it could be like this bear rug

1035
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: or bear hide on the wall behind me, you know

1036
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: those kind of things. Those are the three things that

1037
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: hunters are pursuing, and it's it's consistent across the board

1038
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: in North America and Africa or anywhere else where anybody hunts.

1039
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: Those are the three things that we pursue, and they

1040
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: are all three individually worth fighting for as themselves. But

1041
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: when you can bind all three, it is worth it

1042
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: for everybody to keep that in mind because if you're

1043
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: some otcdy public land hunter, which I am that's what

1044
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: I do, and you're giving somebody a hard time because

1045
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: they paid thirty grand to go hunt on a ranch,

1046
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: that outcome is the same for both parties. If they're

1047
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: both successful, that primal connection is there. Sure one may

1048
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: have been a little bit harder, but maybe not, maybe not.

1049
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: I've never hunted at high paid ranch, so how do

1050
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: I know what if that hunt is harder than an

1051
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: OTC tag, I don't know. But the point is is

1052
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: we're not going to judge it because we have the

1053
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: three same goals with that endgame is the same for

1054
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: all of us. And when it comes to us picking

1055
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 2: a side when the bigger threats come down the pike

1056
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: against the hunting community, we're going to be standing on

1057
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: the same side of the aisle. And I don't want

1058
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: to have animosity towards my brother or sister over there

1059
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: that that may have had the money to go spend

1060
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: thirty grand on a hunt. We're still going to be

1061
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 2: on the same team. We were on the same team,

1062
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna judge them for it. And that's

1063
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: how I feel about it.

1064
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: We'll say you, yeah, absolutely, I couldn't agree more.

1065
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: And that that person that maybe threw down that that

1066
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: big money to go hunt on a on a private

1067
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: land hunt, maybe they have some money to put towards,

1068
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, a worthwhile project for a hundred all hunters

1069
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: in general. You know, maybe they want to donate money

1070
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: to a to a good cause, you know that's going

1071
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: to fight against against anna hunting.

1072
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got yeah bigger fish to fry. We want people.

1073
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: There's people that want to take away or hunting rights.

1074
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: They want to take away the right to eat meat

1075
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: in general. I mean there's there's crazy radical groups everywhere

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Speaker 1: they want to put they don't even think people should

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Speaker 1: live in certain parts of the country.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you name it.

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Speaker 1: There's there's there's somebody that's got an organization trying to

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Speaker 1: take away something.

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Speaker 3: And as far as hunting rights and.

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00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: Stuff goes, we all need to like put our sides,

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00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: se our differences aside, and stand up together and be

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00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: one voice and kind of push back against these ni

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00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: hunters because if not, if you look like if you

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00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: rewind a little bit, if you go back to like

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: when Washington and Oregon lost hound hunting back in the day.

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00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: You know, back then, hunters there was no internet, there

1089
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: was no there was no good way for hunters to

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00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: connect and to join forces. You just kind of heard

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00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: about stuff in the newspaper, you know, and you know,

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00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: some people would go down to the town hall or

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00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: go to the meetings and say, you know, we don't

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00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: want you to do that, but it wasn't enough of

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00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: a ruckus to to stop that kind of litigation or

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00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: legislation and keep those laws.

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Speaker 3: From getting pasted.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, now there's no excuse for it. Like there's we

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: have a lot of hunters all across America. There's social

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00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: media to spread the word when things are going wrong.

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00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: And then instead of like sitting here tearing each other down,

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00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: that'd be a good opportunity to spend that time advocating

1104
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: for hunting. You know, don't waste your time keyboard warrior

1105
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: in it for for you know, because you're against six

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00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: or five creedmores. You know, take that time and advocate

1107
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: for hunting. Put honey where your mouth is, put your

1108
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: time where your mouth is. Join a conservation group. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I always look at it.

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Speaker 2: I always look at it, Dirk, Like it's like we're

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00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: all in the same football team and we're getting to

1112
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: the super Bowl, you know, the Super Bowls coming up

1113
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks or whatever, and we go

1114
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: to practice or whatever, maybe we go to some football

1115
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: camp or something like that, and like, you know, everybody's

1116
00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: like the they didn't like the the jocks drap that

1117
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: the quarterback picked out, and so they're all kicking him

1118
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: in the knee and so now his knee's all jacked

1119
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: up by the time the super Bowl comes around. And

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Speaker 2: that's kind of how I see it. And if you

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00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: look at the other side, the folks that are anti

1122
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: hunting are like the hostile vegans because there's like a

1123
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: way to and we don't have to get into all that.

1124
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: But they're separated, and they're separate and they have different motivations.

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Speaker 2: But like the anti hunting crowd, they're not kicking each

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00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: other in the kneecap man, they're not fighting, they're not

1127
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: behind the scenes pulling each other's hair. They're not elbowing

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00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: somebody in the face in public and ripping each other apart.

1129
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: These folks are they They are well tuned into the

1130
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: fact that hunters are are essentially ripping each other apart.

1131
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: It's almost as if they I've heard I've actually seen

1132
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: some of them say this. If you follow some of

1133
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: these like I geek out on this stuff. I actually

1134
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: follow them in Facebook groups. I like disguise who I

1135
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: am and join some anti hunting Facebook groups, you know,

1136
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: and and I'll watch them and the comments that they

1137
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: make are literally, you know, even if we don't have

1138
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: the money to pursue this through litigation, the hunters are

1139
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: are are ripping each other apart anyway. They're they're fighting

1140
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: about such and such hunting season and stuff. And I've

1141
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: literally seen them write this kind of stuff in their comments,

1142
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: and and they you know, they'll say stuff like they're

1143
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: losing support amongst the public. They are public support for

1144
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 2: hunting for meat has dropped ten percent in the last

1145
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: twenty years, and you know, and they're putting all these

1146
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: little statistical data in there, and then they're they're they're

1147
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: backing that up with the fact that all we have

1148
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: to do is keep letting these hunters do what they

1149
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 2: do on social media and and the general public's going

1150
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: to be turning against them anyway. And so that's why

1151
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: these conversations are so important. It's not like this stuff

1152
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: is just you know, Dirk and I sitting around making

1153
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: stuff up and creating problems that don't actually exist. These

1154
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: problems actually do exist, and they actually strategically plan for

1155
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff to come after our rights as

1156
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: hunters and our future as hunters, and I am not

1157
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: going to sit around and risk my daughters and my

1158
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: grandchildren's future of being able to do what I love

1159
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: to do because I chose not to say something about

1160
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: it because I was afraid of maybe being less popular

1161
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: or or somebody disagreeing with me. Is time that we

1162
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: come together and defend our principles as hunters and be

1163
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: unified and not give a crap about what caliber somebody shoots.

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Speaker 3: There elk with.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's so silly that we do that. I

1166
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: don't get it.

1167
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. Everything you just said

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01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: I echoes my thoughts as well.

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01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Jim Man, we're pushing up to an hour here, and

1172
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: it feels like we've been talking for about ten minutes.

1173
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: If you guys haven't heard Jim's podcast, it's called The

1174
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: Western Huntsman, and he's got all sorts of guests on there.

1175
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: I've been on there a couple of times. He's got

1176
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: all sorts of different guests and all sorts of different topics.

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Speaker 3: So if you like to to like to.

1178
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: Listen about hunting stories or hunting tactics, or he does

1179
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: this really cool thing called the School of September where

1180
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: he talks about elk elk calling tips and tactics by

1181
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of different guests and some some con conservation

1182
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: stuff too. He gets all sorts of folks on there.

1183
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: How do we best find your your podcast and and

1184
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: you on social media?

1185
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 2: Well they could just the easiest places on Instagram. It's

1186
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: at the Western Huntsman and you can. You can find

1187
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: the podcast anywhere podcasts are found, or at the Western

1188
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: Huntsman podcast dot com.

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Speaker 3: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks again, Jim. Always a pleasure to get on

1191
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: here and talk with you. We need to connect somewhere

1192
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: again here real soon in the future. Maybe I can

1193
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: get on your podcast and we'll talk about some other

1194
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: fun stuff.

1195
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it, man. I love chewing the fat

1196
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: with you anytime, brother, all right, thanks ma'am.