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Speaker 3: Meta shares already bouncing around in the aftermarket. The company

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Speaker 3: just out with its earnings. Here are the red headlines

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Speaker 3: on the Bloomberg. Let's get to Outlook. Meta seeing fourth

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Speaker 3: quarter revenue $ 73 billion to $ 76 billion. Folks, that is

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Speaker 3: above estimates of $ 73.

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Speaker 2: 57 billion.

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Speaker 3: The company also establishing a new non-voting class, C Common Stock.

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Speaker 3: There was early reports, was it from Semaphore.

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Speaker 2: That talked about this? Yeah, 320 today. Yeah, exactly. Just

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Speaker 2: hit it. We've got what?

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at Meta right now up about 1.5% here

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Speaker 3: in the aftermarket. Lots more metrics to come, though, on

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Speaker 3: this one, so we're going to keep a watch on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Meta lifting its expense outlook to incorporate a $ 9. 9

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Speaker 2: billion legal charge. The company sees fiscal year CapEx 135

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Speaker 2: to 145. billion. So it narrowed that range because it

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Speaker 2: earlier saw 130 to 145. That's now a redhead, just

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Speaker 2: after I mentioned that. Again, the fiscal year capex, 135

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Speaker 2: to 145 billion, it saw 130 to 145 billion. So

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Speaker 2: it makes sense that as we get further along in

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Speaker 2: the fiscal year, The company also sees total expenses, $ 175

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Speaker 2: billion to $ 179 billion. So that's an increase because earlier

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Speaker 2: it saw $ 165 billion to $ 169 billion. Shares are off

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Speaker 2: their best levels post-earnings as investors continue to digest this

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Speaker 2: after hours. Okay, let's bring in Ed Ludlow because he

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Speaker 2: knows about all this stuff. Ed is joining us from

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Speaker 2: San Francisco. He's the host of Bloomberg Tech on Bloomberg Television. Ed, thanks.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to start with Meta right now. What are

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Speaker 2: your highlights from this? Because certainly some of this was

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Speaker 2: priced in, but we're seeing a narrowing of an understanding

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Speaker 2: its overall expenses climbing. There's a legal charge in there.

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Speaker 2: What are your highlights?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a really good summary. I'll just go through

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Speaker 1: it really rapidly. So revenue of $ 64. 2 billion is up 26%

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Speaker 1: year over year. It's a bit of expectations, but for Meta,

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Speaker 1: as a moment in time, it's their highest revenue in

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Speaker 1: a quarter ever. You've exactly nailed it on EPS. So

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Speaker 1: they took a charge in the quarter of about $ 10 billion.

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Speaker 1: And if you excluded that charge, so basically on a

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Speaker 1: non-gap adjusted basis, EPS would be $ 7. 40. Taking the charge

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Speaker 1: into account, it's $ 3. 57. And the CapEx range is just

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Speaker 1: like we're well through the year. And it's narrow, $ 35

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Speaker 1: you were like an old school Bloomberg editor, you would

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Speaker 1: say that adjusts the midpoint of the CapEx expectation, which

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Speaker 1: against consensus is kind of fun if you're one of

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Speaker 1: those nerdy accounting guys. I apologize to those listening to

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Speaker 1: this program if you are. And then there's the Class

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Speaker 1: C stock. Do you guys want to talk about that?

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that in a second. Before

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Speaker 2: top line number because it does seem like people are

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Speaker 2: still buying ads and Meta is getting much better at

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Speaker 2: targeting those ads. That's this business. That is the business

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Speaker 2: of Meta still. No matter how much it talks about AI,

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Speaker 1: I mean, literally in how it discloses its financials, it

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Speaker 1: always been, for all of the work at the frontier,

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Speaker 1: and Meta still kind of needs to evidence that it

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Speaker 1: does that improve monetization and ARPU, average revenue per user,

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Speaker 3: Meta seeing reality losses of $ 18 billion and $ 19 billion

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Speaker 3: in 2026, fourth quarter tax rate between 15% and 17%.

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Speaker 3: I want to go to this thing, though, because increasingly

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Speaker 3: Meta is dealing with a lot of serious litigation.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't hit the stock. Well, sometimes it does.

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Speaker 3: Meta says it still sees scrutiny on youth-related issues globally. Like,

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Speaker 3: there's still a lot legally coming at this company, MetaEd.

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Speaker 1: So I would say that Meta has disclosed in multiple

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Speaker 1: that hurt EPS in the quarter. There is the Cambridge

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Speaker 1: the day. Like all of this is happening contemporaneously. But

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Speaker 1: Meta has guided investors on its impact, you know, on

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Speaker 2: Ed, we didn't get to the dual-class share structure. And

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Speaker 2: there's some information... additional information about what Meta says about

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Speaker 2: the non-voting stock. The board has approved a new class

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Speaker 2: of publicly listed non-voting Class C common stock with an

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Speaker 2: effective date in January, 2027. The goal is to quote,

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Speaker 2: provide Meta the ability to finance its growth and help

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Speaker 2: the company remain a leader among fierce competition, both domestic

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Speaker 1: Okay, so there's the simple mechanism of offering shares to

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Speaker 1: it on M & A, AI talent, general corporate purposes, right?

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Speaker 1: Put that to one side. How does this relate to

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Speaker 1: a voting power perspective, he owns 99.8% of the class

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Speaker 1: a two for one stock split. Again, how does this

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Speaker 1: you need to be with us. You've got to stay

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Speaker 1: this is as much about Meta creating non-voting stock to

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Speaker 1: without impacting Mark's control so he can go out and

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Speaker 3: But maybe lead the company not from California. He did

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Speaker 3: put out that he may relocate from California. Proposition 40 passes.

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Speaker 3: There's another headline that I'm not providing. Fiscal year 2027

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Speaker 3: What we need to know here about all of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, Prop 40 in California and on the ballot

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Speaker 1: And it would basically impact him because he is a

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Speaker 1: His point, according to the company, is that because of

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Speaker 1: that a big part of the Class C, separate from

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Speaker 1: the Prop 40 warning, is to keep Mark Zuckerberg in

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Speaker 2: Okay, Ed. You got me thinking about an interview or

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Speaker 1: What I would just point out, according to Bloomberg's measure,

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Speaker 2: Well, is he going to be homeless? Well, no.

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Speaker 1: Guys, he has the cattle ranch in Hawaii that he

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, listen, I don't want to be saucy

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Speaker 3: always think about a podcast where a very wealthy individual

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Speaker 3: find what Jensen had to say super refreshing. Listen, we're

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Speaker 1: 135 billion to 145. It's highly unlikely they're going to

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Speaker 1: give some kind of very detailed picture for 27. Like that,

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Speaker 1: press release, has linked this position on Prop 40... to

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Speaker 1: the board's efforts to keep Mark Zuckerberg in place. I

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Speaker 1: just issuing stock to raise capital. I don't think it

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, Ed, before we let you go, Meta's not providing

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, like, negative free cash flow, Meta's

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Speaker 1: kind of held the hand of the market to that.

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Speaker 1: And when it happened to Amazon, no one batted an eyelid.

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Speaker 1: When it happened to Oracle, everyone freaked out. like it

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Speaker 1: it happened since 1992. But yeah, people seem to just

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Speaker 1: not really worry about that if you have the revenues

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Speaker 3: Man, just a lot of moving parts to this one.

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Speaker 3: Ed Ludlow, you did explain it really well. And I

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Speaker 3: am very much like most people eager to hear what...

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Speaker 3: Mark Zuckerberg and team have to say on that call

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Speaker 3: with analysts.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: He is Bloomberg Tech host Ed Ludlow in our San

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Speaker 3: Francisco bureau.