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Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly alongside Matt Money Smith as always, Chris Hary

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Speaker 1: here with you and money. If you want to charge

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Speaker 1: his education, you get Daniel Popper on to join us

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Speaker 1: for a little Q and a pop. What's up, brother?

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Speaker 1: What's up? You're two kinds to me, You're two kinds. Listen,

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Speaker 1: you've been You've been at all these offseason practices and workouts,

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Speaker 1: and I guess this is the unofficial first week of

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Speaker 1: OTAs right justin Herbert spoke there, when Jane spoke, Coady

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Speaker 1: Nearly spoke. Um, we'll just open it up to just

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Speaker 1: additional observations on what you saw on the field and

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Speaker 1: what you heard from the guys. Yeah, so yeah, a

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Speaker 1: few takeaways. Um, you know, seeing clear Mac out there, obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, gets your mind going about what this defense

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Speaker 1: is actually going to look like. Obviously, you know, you

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Speaker 1: see the trade happen. You see him show up and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. When you see him on the field

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Speaker 1: what it's going to look like with him and Joey

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Speaker 1: Bosa rushing the passer on opposite sides this coming season. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Joey's not there. He's never there. I think he's earned

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Speaker 1: that right at this point in his career. Austin Eckler

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Speaker 1: don't think we need to throw a huge fit over

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Speaker 1: whether Austin Eckler is there because he's a guy that's

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Speaker 1: going to produce the one thing. And I'd love to

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Speaker 1: get your guys thoughts on this. So Jerry Tillery was

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Speaker 1: not at the first day of OTA's Obviously, the Chargers

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Speaker 1: have gone out and overhauled this defensive line. They've They've

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Speaker 1: drafted Tito Albania, and they also signed Morgan Fox, a

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Speaker 1: guy that Brandon's Daley really loves who just happens to

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Speaker 1: do the exact same thing that Jerry Tillery does well

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Speaker 1: in terms of rushing the passer. And then we asked

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Speaker 1: Brandon's Daley about it and he gives us an explicit

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Speaker 1: answer as explicit and answers you're ever going to get

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Speaker 1: from an NFL coach that I'll quote it here. There's

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Speaker 1: put him Jerry Hillery in that category. And to me,

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Speaker 1: all the evidence there is that Jerry Hillery is fighting

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Speaker 1: five defensive linemen on the fifty three man roster, And

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Speaker 1: to me, there are five guys that are definitely going

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Speaker 1: He's good as a undefender last season, but Christian told

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Speaker 1: pass rusher. So what does that mean the former first

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Speaker 1: fifty year option. I think that's an important point to

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Speaker 1: throughout the entire offseason, Um, Chris and I have been

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Speaker 1: I feel like Chris has always had to add Jerry

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Speaker 1: and then Chris would say, oh, yeah, you know, don't

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Speaker 1: career has really mirrored what he did at Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: frustrating player for coach Staley because we know the talents there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen we've seen it in his Charger's career.

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Speaker 1: He's had dominating games you know, where he's in the

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Speaker 1: the roste wants to win a super Bowl. You know

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Speaker 1: cutting a guy that was a first round pick four

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Speaker 1: The OTA's is probably not getting off to a good start.

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Speaker 1: Before you respond, I thought, if I'm not mistaken, Staley

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Speaker 1: Whatever happened last year is last year. We're moving forward

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Speaker 1: competition is open. Yeah. And I think getting back to

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Speaker 1: and you can go back to he has added players

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Speaker 1: he's previously coached at every position group, right. We talked

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Speaker 1: then also the point you made money about it being

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a great point. Chris. Yeah. My

426
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: hope is you know, is that some you know, and look,

427
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 1: it's going to be dependent upon who your opponent is,

428
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 1: right and what you know your play particular, you know,

429
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: what you think play is at that moment, down to distance,

430
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: all of those things. But like, just for me selfishly,

431
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 1: when when i'm you know, when we're calling games, it's

432
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: so far, we're freaking calling him from the roof basically,

433
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 1: so you know, you're just looking right down on it.

434
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: It would drive me crazy to see Derwin James fifteen

435
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: yards from the ball. It's like, I get it, but man,

436
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 1: I want that guy. I want him on the line

437
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I want him as close to the ball

438
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 1: as possible. I don't to me when when a quarterback

439
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: looks up and sees Darwin fifteen yards back, he's like,

440
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: thank god, yeah, so bright. My great hope is that

441
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 1: that that's how they're going to play, you know, very

442
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: similar to a twenty eighteen when Gus was forced to

443
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: play you know, in dime and even with you know

444
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: at times seven, you know, defensive backs out there because yeah, yeah,

445
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean just the decimation and how little he trusted

446
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: their linebackers. Um, you know, between attrition and just not

447
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 1: believing inability, and like that's what I want to see.

448
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: I want to see drwin. Like you said, Pop, you know,

449
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: we talked about him playing a lot of star but

450
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: playing some money and getting right up there on the

451
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, just creating havoc because now you've got

452
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Speaker 1: two guys that are rangy that I know. Like the

453
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 1: thing about now is Man, that dude had ball skills

454
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: hit Delaware, like incredible, confusing ball skills. You know, just

455
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: we're waiting for that, and he's still got him like

456
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: he still gets his hands on boss. He's still like

457
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: it's just a beat. I mean, it's just a beat

458
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Speaker 1: off and I'm waiting for it that that beat to

459
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: finally hit the perfect spot of rhythm. I kind of

460
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 1: put him in that same category. Pop. Is Michael Davison

461
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: that hey, first year learning a new system, and I

462
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: think NAS is gonna. I think he's got an extra

463
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: gear in this the yeah, I yeah, no, I think

464
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: Nas played better than than Michael Davis. The blast year.

465
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Speaker 1: I think, I think Nas is a really good football player.

466
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Speaker 1: But the thing that Money brought up is so perplexing

467
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Speaker 1: to me because he's there, he just always feels like

468
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: he's slightly like out of control because he just plays

469
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: with so much energy and violence in his game that

470
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Speaker 1: I feel like every time he gets to the ball,

471
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: he's just he's going a little bit too fast. He

472
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Speaker 1: just slow himself down a little bit. But I remember

473
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Speaker 1: I asked Brandon about it because I was just so perplexed.

474
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Speaker 1: I was like, how does this guy I go from

475
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: being being what he was at Delaware to like dropping

476
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: all these picks and not you know, coming down with

477
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Speaker 1: these interceptions. And he gave me like a, you know,

478
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: really good answer, just about you know, it's about you know,

479
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: being comfortable and you know, and you just expect the

480
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: guy that you know, when he's in those positions, eventually

481
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: they're going to come for you know, you don't lose

482
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: the ability to go get the football. You know, that's

483
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: not something you lose. So you know, one hundred percent

484
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: I agree with you. And and and the other thing I'll

485
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 1: add about Drwin, they wanted to play that way last year.

486
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Speaker 1: That was the idea going into the season. They're like,

487
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Speaker 1: all right, we got Chris Harris. He hasn't played safety

488
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: s and sees at Kansas, but we're gonna throw him

489
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Speaker 1: back at safety and bring Derwin up to the slot,

490
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: and we're gonna play all these different, um, you know,

491
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Speaker 1: different personnel groupings so that we can get Derwin closer

492
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Speaker 1: to the football. And then Chris Harris got hurt in

493
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Speaker 1: the very first game of the season, and then the

494
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: rest of the season it was like, just put Derwin

495
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Speaker 1: where we have to put him so that we can

496
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: feel an actual secondary, you know. So you know, I

497
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: think that was the goal the whole season. Um. And

498
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: then now they're just like Staley is building the depth

499
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Speaker 1: so that they can continue to do to do that

500
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Speaker 1: throughout the entire season, even if they suffer some injuries.

501
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: But do you remember call that that preseason game, NASA's

502
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Speaker 1: first preseason game should interceptions. It was incredible, it was

503
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: incredibly Here we go, here we go. Yeah, I think

504
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: he had what two interceptions. I think he got his

505
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Speaker 1: hands on like three more. Yeah. Yeah, he got his

506
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: hands on like three or four different goals. And he

507
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: was hurt too. He was dealing with that hamstring thing

508
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: in that game. It's like all right, because you're like,

509
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Speaker 1: it's funny when you put a rookie out there in

510
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Speaker 1: a preseason game and he just dominates you, like you're

511
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: against like lesser competition, like third string guys are like, Okay,

512
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: that guy's an NFL player, and that's like once that

513
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: happened with Nas. Rely Okay, that guy's an NFL player.

514
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Speaker 1: He's close. He's I think he's gonna have a really

515
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: great season this year. Funny is like, uh, you know,

516
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Speaker 1: we're we're doing right now, and I know it's you know,

517
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: we haven't brought it up yet, but it's it's unintentional,

518
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: but it's you know, what the NFL has come to,

519
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: like we have we're trying to put the puzzle together, right.

520
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: We're talking about okay, well, let's see the five guys

521
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: in the front and like, you know, if you play

522
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: both Woods and Nas at the same time, we'll not

523
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: We're not talking about the linebackers. And to me, that's

524
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Speaker 1: that's I'm trying to kind of get a read on,

525
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, and Pop you were there so you can

526
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Speaker 1: maybe speak to what the body language was when he

527
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: was asked about Kenneth and how he talked about you know,

528
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Speaker 1: just the way I read the quote, you know that

529
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: he's got a sprint to training camp. It's like a Okay,

530
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: you've had your surgery and we know you're recovering, but

531
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Speaker 1: I expect you to be ready to be on the

532
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Speaker 1: field day one of training camp. Like that's sort of

533
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Speaker 1: what my takeaway was from reading that quote. I don't

534
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Speaker 1: know if you felt that. I mean, I think, you know,

535
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Speaker 1: Kenneth falls into a very similar category. I think is

536
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: is Jerry Tillery and that we know. I mean you

537
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: look at him, you watch the splashes, and man, it's there.

538
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: I mean, it is there in spades, and you're just

539
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why it hasn't all been put

540
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: together and I'm anxious to see. And I bring it

541
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: up now because I'm thinking about, you know, playing with

542
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Speaker 1: one linebacker most of the time, and to me, that

543
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: one linebackers Drew Tranquil. Yeah, yeah, So that's that's what

544
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: that's my read on the situation is that it's going

545
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: to be a lot more five one fronts in nickel packages,

546
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: so two edge rushers, three defensive linemen and one linebacker.

547
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: It's something Staley did a ton of with the Rams.

548
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: I actually looked into the numbers. You know, it was

549
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: close to seventy percent of their nickel packages were five

550
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: minut in front. With the Rams. It was down like

551
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: a you know, under forty five percent last year with

552
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: the Charger. So I think they'll they'll see an increase

553
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: in that. It's something that I know Staley likes to do.

554
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: And so you know in that when you do that

555
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: and you only have one linebacker in the field and nickel,

556
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: which you play over seventy percent at the time, then

557
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: you know you don't need that much depth at linebacker.

558
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: So you feel like you have a guy in true

559
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: trankle who's incredibly intelligent. As long as he can stay healthy,

560
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: he's going to be in the right place at the

561
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: right time. He's gonna make a few splash plays. And

562
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: that's really all they need out of their linebackers. They

563
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: don't need difference makers at linebacker. And then you go

564
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: out and you sign Troy a Reader, a guy that's

565
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: been in this system, going to be in the right

566
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: place at the right time, make a couple splash plays,

567
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: and be reliable, not be a difference maker, but just

568
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: be a guy that you can have in there as

569
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Speaker 1: the one linebacker and five one fronts and nickel packages.

570
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: And so what does that mean for kick Kenneth Murray.

571
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: I think it means that if he's if he never

572
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: pans out into the type player they expect him to be,

573
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: it's not the game of the world. Because Brandon Daley

574
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: feels I think he can find guys that he trusts

575
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: a linebacker to play in he's five one fronts um

576
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: and and you know, not lose a lot. You know,

577
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel like he needs a lead talented linebacker

578
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: because he created the best defense in football with that

579
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: a lot of talent a linebacker with the Rams in

580
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and that is truly informed how he wants

581
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: to build his defense. You know Kyle van Noy and

582
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: how he kind of yeah, that's another one, this equation. Yeah,

583
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: Staley talks about his versatility. So I think as the

584
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: as training camp in the season progresses will have a

585
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: good idea of where he's gonna line up, if he's

586
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: gonna line up on the edge, if he's gonna line

587
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: up as a linebacker. I think it's contingent on injuries,

588
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: and you know, whoever's performing, but he's another chess piece

589
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: that this team has that they can put him in

590
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: a couple different places. I think he's an edge Like

591
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: just I think about you know, Joey taking off full

592
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: series about Khalil coming back from a pretty serious foot injury. Like,

593
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: to me, I think, if you're if you're budget you know,

594
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: because it's it's a violent game, if you're budgeting snaps,

595
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: you know. To me, I think Kyle, because look, we

596
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: were having this conversation all off season, right, Okay, well

597
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: who's the third rusher? Yeah? You know, is it Chris Rump?

598
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: Is that where they're So I think, to me, that's

599
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: just kind of what I read from the van Nowice someone,

600
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about this, you know, after the

601
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: signing Chris. And it's not like it's any sort of insight.

602
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: You just look at the guy's career. You know, every

603
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: year it's you know, your floor is four and a

604
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: half five sacks. You know, you're ceiling is seven and

605
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: a half eight depending on where you know how often

606
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: he plays there. But you know, that just kind of

607
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: goes to the But the nice thing about Kyle is

608
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: and I think this is sort of what what coach

609
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: said is he's got that versatility, so if you need it,

610
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: it's there. But if I had to guess, and I

611
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys agree, if I had to guess,

612
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I think they I think they want him to be

613
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: an edge. I think you're right, Pop. What about the

614
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: the the depth at edge outside of Joey and Khalil, Like,

615
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: where are we with that that depth chart right now?

616
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: If you took Joey Leal out of the equation, because

617
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: whoever it is, they're gonna have to play some plays

618
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, So I so it's Chris Rump and

619
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: it's Kyle ven NOOI. I agree with money that that

620
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: Venois was signed as an edge because that's just how

621
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: he fits into the roster based on where their depth

622
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: is at. But I think like the more positions you

623
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: can start at, the better, Like the more areas that

624
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: you can cover, you know, in a case of an injury,

625
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: the better. And I think that's what you have in

626
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Kyle vennoy. The other thing with Kyle ven Noois is,

627
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: like Brands, they really believes in bringing in players who

628
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: have championship pedigree, whether that's at the college level or

629
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: at the pro level. That's something that Kyle n It

630
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: has and it's something that I talked about. Was like

631
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: Jamari Salier for example. You know, a guy who won

632
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: a title, Like guys who know how to win championships

633
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: have been through that process. You know, I think that matters.

634
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: But in terms of the edge rushing depth, you know,

635
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm high on Chris Rump. When I watched him on

636
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: tape last year, I saw a fantastic motor. Like do

637
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be an elite, elite rusher. No,

638
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: he was a fourth round pick. It's hard to find

639
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna be elite in those rounds because

640
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: a fantastic motor. He plays so hard, he's physical, and

641
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: I think with a full offseason of him training, no

642
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: draft to prepare for, no distractions, it's all about putting

643
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: on masks and getting bigger. You know. Joey Bosa talked

644
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: about how his nickname was string being last year, like

645
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: get bigger, get get you know, turn that body into

646
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: more of a pro body. And I feel like he

647
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: has the motor to be a really solid third or

648
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: fourth edge rusher who can rotate in there and make

649
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: some splash plays as a pass Rusher, and as a rundefender,

650
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: I really liked what I saw from him because you

651
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: can't teach that level of effort. You know, it's obvious

652
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: that he's a coach of son. You can't teach that

653
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: level of effort in terms of how consistently you're going

654
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: out there and just playing like your hair is on fire.

655
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: And so I'm high him. I think he's gonna be

656
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: solid this year. You've got to you know, proven guy

657
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: like like Money said, and Benny and so the and

658
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: then Jamal Davis, the guy they signed from the CFL,

659
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: will see, will see what he is. So is it

660
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, the best depth. No. I think ideally they

661
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: would have found Edge Rusher in the draft, but the

662
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: board didn't shake out that way, and they had a

663
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: backup plan and so they're rolling with what they have.

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, if this team's going to

665
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Speaker 1: contend for a super Bowl, you really got to get

666
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, healthy seasons out of Koulamac and Joey Boss.

667
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: And that's sort of where it's at. But there's a

668
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: little bit of luck involved in every super Bowl on

669
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: that's just the reality of how the NFL works. I'm

670
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: with you on Rump, I think, you know, and I

671
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: just I think the one thing that it was funny

672
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: that Staley brought it up too. He brought up, you know,

673
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: the kicking game. You know, Rump has been so good

674
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: on special teams, you know, and I think that's you know,

675
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: and that goes to the Troy Readers signing we brought,

676
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about that, like, he's been so

677
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: good on special teams, so so many of these signings

678
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: or draft picks we mentioned this. I think it was

679
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: last week we talked about this, Chris. But you know, Pop,

680
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: and it's clear that that Staley likes having a lot

681
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: of defensive backs on the roster, specifically for special teams.

682
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's where so many of these sort

683
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: of conversations can go as well, just because we saw,

684
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, punt and kick cover you know, let him

685
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: down last year at times, and so to be able

686
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: to bolster that and we this is actually you know

687
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: what you know, not to dictate terms here, Chris, but

688
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: to kind of shift we've talked nothing but defense for

689
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. At some point we got to get to

690
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: the offense, right, Yeah, you know, I brought up and

691
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: I know it's not the sexiest position battle. But look,

692
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, Gab Neighbors and Justin Herbert are very close.

693
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: You know, they live together. And and if if Xander

694
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: Horvath can can be because he's an athlete, now, if

695
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: he can be that exceptional special teams player from that

696
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: fullback position. You know, we mentioned with Derek Watt when

697
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: he was here, he didn't do a whole lot in

698
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, in offensive reps, but man, he was a

699
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: terror on special teams and when they needed him, they'd

700
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: call on him and he would come in and get

701
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: his three or four snaps offensively a game. So that's

702
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: what I'm interested to see play out because that's sort

703
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: of what I took away from that draft pick was,

704
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: you know what, let's let's see if this guy can

705
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: compete with Gabe and he can maybe be that Steven

706
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Anderson type player that will also be exceptional on special teams,

707
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: because we need to fill that out. Yeah, they've been

708
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: they've been looking for Derek Watt ever since they let

709
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: him walk. Yeah, they've been looking for that exact player,

710
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, outstanding on special teams, played fullback and then

711
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: give you some tight end flux because remember when they

712
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: lost tight ends. Derek Watt played some snaps at tight

713
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: ends in emergen situations when he's with the team, So

714
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: they've been looking for that player. And you know, it

715
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: starts with an ability to tackle and run on special teams.

716
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: And I think with Gabe they've been trying to mold

717
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: him into that as opposed to getting a guy who

718
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: had that sort of anatability. And you know, Derek Watt was,

719
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, a linebacker when he first got to Wisconsin

720
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: and so and same with Horrorvat who was recruited initially

721
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: as a linebacker. So I think you're they're looking for

722
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: Derek Watt. They need a guy who can be a

723
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Speaker 1: difference maker on special teams because you need that kind

724
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: of value out of that roster only playing, like you said,

725
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: four five snaps of offensive game, you better be the

726
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: elite of the elite on special teams. And I think

727
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: that's what they're looking for in Xander Horvez. So so

728
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: we'll see. But you know, Gabe Neighbors has more experience

729
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL on special teams. Does that aid in

730
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: his in his you know, journey to try and make

731
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: their roster and then you know, listen, these guys are

732
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: all human beings, you know. Friendships do matter at the

733
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: end of the day. Right, So we'll see. I love

734
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: a good fullback battle, though. You know me, I'll be

735
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: all over it. I'll be all over it and the takeaways, baby,

736
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: third August third Popper's Notebook. I got one more thing

737
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: to not to jack your job as host, But I

738
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: got one more thing that I want to ask you

739
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 1: guys about. So right tackle, Okay, not to talk about

740
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: the same thing that I always love talking about, but

741
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: it's it's literally my only concern with the roster. That's

742
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: where real. Let me. Let me get to Herbert real quick.

743
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to right tackle. Okay, alright, all right,

744
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: way to go, Pop. You screwed it up, totally screwed

745
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: it up. Pops a step ahead of me. I love

746
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: it all right, Listen. I wasn't gonna let you go

747
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: without talking right tackle. And all the time I was like,

748
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: we're getting close here. We need some old line talk.

749
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: But but I want I gotta start with number ten

750
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: because justin Herbert, it's his third year, it's a second

751
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: year in this offense. The only thing I hate, listen,

752
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: he's lifting, he's bigger. He's his golf game is rough,

753
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: his brisket game is rough. Uh, and he's just getting

754
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: better as a player. I I didn't really glean too

755
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: much other than Justin's probably going to be an even

756
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: better player than he was last year. Yeah, MVP candidate.

757
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: But here's my takeaway from the Justin MVP favored. By

758
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: the way, I don't know if you saw that over

759
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: he posted yesterday. I think he is a plus five

760
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: fifty number one in the odds to win MVP, according

761
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: to the folks in the Desert. I think I think

762
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: that's completely fair. Yeah, Like he's that good. And the

763
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: crazy part is, you know, actually having a full offseason

764
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: with Shane Day, with Joe Lombardi in the same offense,

765
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: like ken like what I was talking about this yesterday

766
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: when I went on our podcast, our Football show, Like yeah, yeah,

767
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: it'll be no is he like mentally, can he get

768
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: to where Drew Brees was in this offense? I think

769
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: they believe that Justin can get there, But like, if

770
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: he's going to become the best quarterback in football, like

771
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: that's where they where he has to get to. And

772
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna start to see that this year,

773
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: like where you know, we've seen him win with this

774
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: with his physical tools, you know that throw to Jalen

775
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: Guyon where he's just making throws that no one else

776
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: can make and defenses are just like, how on Earth

777
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: can a human being do these things right? And but

778
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: we also started to see him Scritch's service on winning

779
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: with his mind and his processor. And if he starts

780
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: winning with that consistent, that's when you're going to see

781
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: him become like the best quarterback in football. And I

782
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: think that's like what I'm going to be watching this year,

783
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: and I think it can happen because he's finally had

784
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: a full offseason in the same system with the same coaches,

785
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: and that continuity is going to matter when when it

786
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: comes down to winning with your processor. Yeah, I mean,

787
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: first time in five years that he's had the same

788
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: coordinator and offense and back to back seasons, and you know,

789
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: we've talked about it for his impressive and it's impossible

790
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: to overlook the physical because there's just there's not many

791
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: people in the league that look like him that are

792
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: six six two forty five that have that type of

793
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: talent in their arm and that type of movement and

794
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: their body at that size, but again academic All American

795
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: every year biology major, Like he is a bright dude.

796
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: This is not this is no you know, muscle headed dummy.

797
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 1: It's just out there throwing the ball over the place

798
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: because he's got a freaking hose. I mean it's you

799
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: know so that it speaks to you know, when you

800
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: think about Drew, how how did Breeze win? He mastered

801
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: the offense. You know, he won with his brain. He

802
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: knew exactly what was going to happen a beat before

803
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: it happened, and that's how he was able. You know,

804
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: it's six foot to dominate at a position that typically

805
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: guys his size don't dominate, and just to hear, like

806
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: just to hear justin when he was asked. And it's

807
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: one of the great things. We were talking about it

808
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: before we got on, before we started the pod. You know,

809
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: he's just he's himself. That's what's great about Herbert. You know,

810
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: he's he's a quiet guy. He's a subtle guy, but

811
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: that's his genuine self and that's what his teammates appreciate.

812
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: And that's what you have to be, especially in the

813
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: game like this, um with what you're asking everybody to

814
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: do when they put on a helmet and go out there.

815
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: But I liked, you know how specific he was about, Hey,

816
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: what did you work on for him to say, oh, yeah,

817
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: my footwork, Like it's like, okay, there are very few

818
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: holes in that guy's game, but he found one and

819
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: he's like, I need to fix my five on my sevens.

820
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: So and then you heard coach Staley sort of back

821
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: that up and say, yeah, look, you know this guy's

822
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: making throws that to you and me are incredible, but

823
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: to him, they're routine. And like one thing that we've heard,

824
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: and we've heard it from from his coach, from his

825
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: from his individual quarterback coach, shumback, Yeah, it's almost I

826
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's too a fault, but it

827
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: might be too a fault. Like he is a perfectionist

828
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: in an imperfect game, at an imperfect position, and I

829
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: think whatever Justin can do to get his mind because

830
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: he won't accept failure. He wants everything to be as

831
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: precise and perfect as it can be and that's just

832
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: not going to happen. So wherever he can get his

833
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: mind to feel like that's happening, I think is how

834
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: he takes the next steps because everything else he already has. Yeah,

835
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a really really great point. You know,

836
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: understand that mistakes are going to happen, and I think

837
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: he's done a good job, like with Shane particularly, like

838
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: learning how to move on. Like he threw their fifteen

839
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: interceptions last year. I think, you know, that's a bloated number.

840
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: A lot of those were tip passes and weird situations

841
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: like it wasn't it wasn'tn't a true fifteen interceptions. But

842
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: I think the way that he was able to move

843
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: on from those indication of you know, how he's growing

844
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: in that area. But like you talk about this and

845
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: it's like you could say all these same things about

846
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: Drew Brees just perfectionists, like the guys out there doing

847
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: like fake throwing motions like all you know, all that

848
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: kind of stuff with Drew Brees, and it's like the

849
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: vision internally is like you could have Drew Brees with

850
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: like the most elite skill set we've maybe ever seen

851
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: on a quarterback like that, processing with every tool you

852
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: could ever imagine. And that's why people around the Chargers

853
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: are so damn excited about what could happen with Justin Herbert,

854
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: not just this season, but you know, over the next

855
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: ten seasons. All right, pop, let's let's get into the

856
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: right here we go. All right? That was that good enough?

857
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert talks, it was we excite everybody in there.

858
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: It was perfect. Everyone was excited. Listen the little nugget

859
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: that he's the favorite to win MVP. Though I didn't,

860
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't. That popped yesterday on

861
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: the on the old Twitter, maybe two days ago. The

862
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: right tackle, and I do want to briefly touch on

863
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: the running game too, with Isaiah Spiller getting into that mix.

864
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: But but start with start with right tackle and all

865
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: the different combinations that could possibly be there. Staley said

866
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: that Storm Norton and Trey Pipkins played some decent ball

867
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: last year. It looks like it's gonna be a competition.

868
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: But Matt Feiler was talked about as a potential right

869
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: tackle option as well. Yeah. So, I think Storm Norton

870
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: and Trey Pipkins played winning football in the sense that

871
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: they were on the field and play snaps, played snaps

872
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: when the Chargers won football games. You know, I think

873
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: that there is reason to believe that both players can develop.

874
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: But it is a concern for me, Like this is

875
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: a concern for me. It's the only concern I have

876
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: on the roster, but it is a concern for me.

877
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, however, player development is

878
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: a key part of winning in the NFL. Like you're

879
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: not going to be able to plug every single position

880
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: with a first round pick or free agent signing. Eventually,

881
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're going to have

882
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: to develop the players internally. And that's what it's come

883
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: down to, is that at this spot, at right tackle,

884
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: they're going to have to find a player internally that

885
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: they can develop and turn into a start. And I

886
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: and that was a joke. It was probably a little mean,

887
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: and I apologize for that, but like you know, Storm

888
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: did have great moments last year. I think coming in

889
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: in that Washington game playing the way he did was

890
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: really impressive. And then Tray started games at left tackle

891
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: and right tackle, and I really liked what I saw

892
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: out of him. So, like I said, there's reason to

893
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: believe that both these players is something we've talked about

894
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: a few times. Yeah, no, he yeah, And you know,

895
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: working with Duke many Weather and Rashaan all off season,

896
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: I think it is important, Like, are we about to

897
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: see a huge jump from Trey? I think that's certainly possible.

898
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: The interesting thing and it's not how I wanted to

899
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: bring it up and talk to you about it with

900
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: you guys, is we It feels like it's gone back

901
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: and forth this whole offseason. It's like, Okay, early in

902
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: the off season they're talking about Matt Filer potentially playing

903
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: right tackle, and then they get through the draft, they

904
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: draft on and they're like, no, we're keeping that interior trio,

905
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: We're keeping that left side. It's going to be an

906
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: open battle at right tackle. And then we get to

907
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: out DA's and Brandon's like, well, we have all these

908
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: different options. We can put Matt out there, we have

909
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: to draft picks, presumably referring to Brandon Highness and Jamari

910
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Sallier as guys that have played tackle in college. I

911
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: could go out there. So my head's kind of spinning,

912
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: like what is like, what is actually going on here?

913
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: Because there's been so many different points made by Brandon

914
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: in terms of what exactly is going to happen at

915
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: right tackle. To me, it feels like they're keeping that

916
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: trio together. Corey at center design at right guard, Filer

917
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: at left guard, Rashaw's later at left tackle, and then

918
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: they're going to see what happens at right tackle. I

919
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: think you know, Jamari Sellier is a guy who played

920
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: left tackle in the SAC against some of the best

921
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: competition in college football, in the best league in college

922
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: football and won a title. Like to me, I would like,

923
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: I don't care about traits, I don't care about movement

924
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: any of that. Just throw them out there during training

925
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: camp and see what he can do. If you can't hang,

926
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: then you move them back inside. I don't know why

927
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: you wouldn't at least try that, But I don't know.

928
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: What do you guys think? So? Yeah, yeah, so And

929
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: remember you know with Sawyer, they kicked him inside in

930
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the National Championship game because they were

931
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: getting wrecked, you know, from an interior rush. And they

932
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: were like, all right, Jamari get in there. And what

933
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: did he do? He locked it up? Yeah, Like this

934
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: is so, this is the way I'm trying to put

935
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: it together, guys. Is I think about last year and

936
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: when we thought maybe Filer was going to kick out

937
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: to the right tackle after Bulaga went down, and they

938
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: were like, no, we want Filer here to a help

939
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: out pretty much to help out slaterly, he's a rookie,

940
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: he's at left tackle. Let's put the experience. Now you

941
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: got Corey Filer and Slater, and let's make it as

942
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: the transition is easy est I shouldn't say easy, because

943
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: it's not easy, but let's try to make it the

944
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: best transition possible for Slater. So now I think about

945
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you want to do that for Zion Johnson?

946
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: Why would you not want Filer at right tackle, Corey

947
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: Linsley at center, and now Zion Johnson is sandwich between

948
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: those two in his rookie year, and then at left guard,

949
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: you can it's now it's a battle right it's Highmus,

950
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: it's Sawyer or maybe you know, because Zion's comfortable playing

951
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: left left guard instead of right guard, you know you

952
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: can put him at left guards. I feel good about

953
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: Slater is one of the five best left tackles in

954
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: the league. You want to put Zion where he played

955
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: his entire college career, at left guard between Lindsley and Slater. Great,

956
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: And then you got Filer at right tackle, and now

957
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: you drop Higmus or saw You're in there. Now what

958
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 1: I think ideally, Pop, what they you know, and Chris,

959
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: what they want to do is they want Pipkins to

960
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: win that battle. I think they would really like to

961
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: see Trey Pipkins win that right tackle battle so they

962
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: can say, hey, this is the left side is exceptional

963
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: and we feel good because like to me, I think

964
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: about it, and I'm like, okay, what does it make

965
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: sense to have a rookie right guard and a you know, hey,

966
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: we we're gonna try to put our finger in the

967
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: damn here at right tackle and give him some help

968
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: with tight ends and running backs over here. Like to me,

969
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: that doesn't It just doesn't make as much sense to

970
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: me to have your rookie guard playing right guard and

971
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: then the one big question mark that we have on

972
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: the offensive line be right next to him at right tackle.

973
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to three guys. It saw

974
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: you're in highmis first and foremost. And we remember that

975
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: very small sample size the first preseason game we saw

976
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: high Miss and Slater out play right. He was he

977
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: was playing great, but for funny played better than Bolaga.

978
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: It's like, this guy looks better than Bolagga right now,

979
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: playhim at right tackle. For whatever reason, they didn't think

980
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: he was ready to play last year. So yeah, I mean,

981
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: and they know they see him in practice, they know

982
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: better than we know watching him. Like you said Pop earlier,

983
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: you're playing against a bunch with three third stringers, so

984
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: you know they see him going up against ones and

985
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: what he's gonna face. So certainly they didn't have that

986
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: kind of confidence. Yeah. So so what's he gonna look

987
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: like in July and August, and what's he gonna look

988
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: like in the preseason games? What's all You're gonna look like?

989
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: His rookie right up right off the rip? And I

990
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: really think it's just too early to give up on

991
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: Trey Pipkins. I know that he's had some inconsistent play

992
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: over the last three seasons, his first three seasons in

993
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: the league, but he was drafted as a project. We

994
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: saw flashes towards the end of last year, and I

995
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: think it's worth giving him every shot to be that

996
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: starting right tackle this upcoming season and see what happened,

997
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: see how it shakes out. Because I was very impressed

998
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: with how he was thrust into action a week fifteen

999
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: against the Chiefs when Slater went down. He played winning football.

1000
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: They showed won that game. He played really well in

1001
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: that game. He played really well at left tackle on

1002
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: that game. And what's he gonna look like in July, Popper,

1003
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what I want to see. What's Trey

1004
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: Piptick is gonna look like in July? And how is

1005
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: he going to compete against the Cowboys and joints? How

1006
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: is he going to play throughout the preseason? Is he

1007
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna really take a hold of that right tackle starting

1008
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: position to a point where they don't have to worry

1009
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: about moving Filer around, they feel confident and comfortable not

1010
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: having to worry about different permutations at right tackle. Yeah, no,

1011
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. To me, It's like I go

1012
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: through every position and I think, I look at, Okay, well,

1013
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: who's at the top of depth chart, and what does

1014
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: the depth look like behind those those players? As that player,

1015
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: the only concerning position group for me, or position specifically

1016
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: is right tackle. Like that's really the only concern I

1017
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: have with this roster. Like, even if they battle through

1018
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: some injuries, they have depth everywhere to weather injuries, just

1019
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: at right tackle, what are they going to do with

1020
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: that starting group? And so you know, you know, ideally

1021
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: you know Trey Pipkins makes a huge jump, but historically

1022
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: with this team, when they've said, hey, this guy's gonna

1023
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: take this big jump and be a great starter for us,

1024
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen it. And it's and it's really

1025
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: a bitten them at times, you know, since I started

1026
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: covering the team in twenty nineteen, so we'll see long

1027
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: time between now and the start of the season. But

1028
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: the point I was making when I first, you know,

1029
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: started talking about this is like, are they really considering

1030
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: all these different combinations, because like after the draft, it

1031
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: was like very explicit, like Zion Johnson is a right

1032
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: guard and we want and we want this trio together.

1033
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: I want this four and we'll figure it out at

1034
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: right tackle. And it's changed since then. So I don't

1035
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: know if they're actually like considering all these different options

1036
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: and keeping their options open, or if they're just saying

1037
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: that because they know the fan base is losing their

1038
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: minds about right tackle. Yeah. And the one thing, you know,

1039
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: and this is something that DJs has said repeatedly he

1040
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: posted on his Twitter feed and his Instagram, is you

1041
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: don't need elite players at every offensive line position. You

1042
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: just can't have a hole that's all there is. Like

1043
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: you can have, you know, borderline average as long as

1044
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: your right tackle is doesn't have to even be average,

1045
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: just needs to be kind of sniff an average, just

1046
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: close to league average. You can make that. What you

1047
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: cannot have is what we saw in Las Vegas, you know,

1048
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: because it will doesn't matter what the other four players

1049
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: are doing if they identify it and nothing can be

1050
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: done about it. You can wreck a game like Max

1051
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: Crossby wrecked a game, and look, that's it's not fair

1052
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: to say that that's the only game that Storm played

1053
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: in his career. He had other games. Like you said,

1054
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: he came in and Washington played great against a hell

1055
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: of a front, you know, with Montes Sweat or Chase

1056
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Young opposite him. So but that game, you know, because

1057
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: of what it meant and how bad it went, I

1058
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: think is you're like, hey, that can't happen. You know

1059
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: you can. You can get away with it because you

1060
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: can help. You can chip, you can help, you can provide.

1061
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: You know, you can shift your tight end, you can

1062
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: line your tight end up over there, you can line

1063
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: your back on that side, you can run plays away

1064
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: from it. It's easier to mask that than it is

1065
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,959
Speaker 1: an interior leak, and I think that's maybe what they're

1066
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: thinking is I'd rather have the leak come there where

1067
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: we can design and having easier time playing against it

1068
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: than having it come right up the gut because you

1069
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: got two rookies at each guard spot. Yeah. I also

1070
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: think there's a belief that Zion Johnson is going to

1071
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: be a big, big step up from Michael Scofield. And

1072
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: that's no knock on Michael scold thought. I thought Michael

1073
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: played well, did not have came back much from him,

1074
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: and I thought he played well, came off the street

1075
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously you know, had his negative moments,

1076
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: but really play well considering what you know. He's just

1077
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: called him up in mid September like, hey, come start

1078
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: for us. You know, maybe that's it that speaks to

1079
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: to your point, Chris about Trey, like Schofield was terrible.

1080
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: He had a bad year the year before they let

1081
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: him go. I mean it was between him and Pienie.

1082
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: It was a freaking turnstyle at those two guards spots,

1083
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: and that's why he didn't come back. Um and then

1084
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: he shows up and he plays solid football. I mean

1085
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: he played pretty damn well. I was it truly blew

1086
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: me away. I was like, wow, this is not good

1087
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: when a bush you went down and they decide to

1088
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, go to the old friend alert Um and

1089
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: and it worked out. So maybe that's you know, speaks

1090
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: to your point, Chris, that coaching matters, you know, And

1091
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: I think considering what Rashawn did last year as a rookie,

1092
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: you know that what what Trey did when he was

1093
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: pressed into duty to fill in for Rashawn, you know,

1094
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: coaching matters. And maybe this team has just got really

1095
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: good offensive line coaching and they can help develop these

1096
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: guys and make them better than we saw with Pat.

1097
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: And nothing against Pat, don't mean to take a shot

1098
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: at him, but look, Trey was not good under Pam Meyer.

1099
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: Just a reality. Yeah, and well that's why Frank Smith,

1100
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, got hired as the offensive ordinary in Miami.

1101
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: Like there's a reason that guys get get promoted and

1102
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: get to move up. And we'll see what happens with

1103
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: Brendan Nugent. Excited to get a chance to you know,

1104
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: talk to him later this offseason and pick his brain.

1105
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: But you know, you also got to give credit to

1106
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: schan Serrette who's still there. And there's some community there,

1107
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: and then it all starts with at the top, you know,

1108
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: with Brandon Staley, who believes in building an offensive line

1109
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: and devotes time and energy to that part of the

1110
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: football team. And Joe Lombardi, who comes from an organization

1111
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: that has developed, drafted and developed offensive lineman for as

1112
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: long as I've been you know, watching football, so um,

1113
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: you know it's it's you know, it's a use a

1114
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: term from John Spandos that he first said at the

1115
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: initial press conference, you know, vertical alignment of the organization.

1116
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: I think that philosophy starts with Brandon of offensive linemen

1117
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: is important. We're going to vote devote time to developing

1118
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: these players and fine guys who have proven the ability

1119
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: to develop players. And I think you're seeing that pop.

1120
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: We've kept you way way long, but nothing else to do.

1121
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: Last thing, the running back competition. We talked about the

1122
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: interior line too. I feel like Isaiah Spiller, with his

1123
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: feet and his vision, if he gets a little hole,

1124
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: he's going to do a lot with it. And whether

1125
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: it's time of possession or control in the clock Layton games,

1126
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: what do you think Isaiah Spiller's impact is going to

1127
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: be on this team in twenty twenty two, and how

1128
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: is that going to push maybe Joshua Kelly and Larry Rountree.

1129
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: I saw Larry Rountree put something up on his Instagram

1130
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: that he's ready to go in twenty twenty two, and

1131
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: you don't listen. I think again it's the theme of

1132
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: theme of this offseason is competition at all these different positions.

1133
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: And I think Isaiah Spiller, we know what Austin is

1134
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: and Austin has said he doesn't think he needs to

1135
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: get the full load. He's probably his best whin he's fresh,

1136
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: and I think Spiller can provide that. But what does

1137
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: that do to maybe Kelly in Roundtree in terms of

1138
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: ed and a little heat to Spiller. Yeah, so Spiller

1139
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: has a clear path to this running back to spot

1140
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: as long as he can show up in training camp,

1141
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: be productive, and most importantly proved that he can he

1142
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: can learn the past protection part of the offense, which

1143
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: is like crucial and I think it's overlooked by a

1144
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: lot of people. They're like, Okay, this guy's this guy's

1145
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: got running skills. He broke off a bunch of long

1146
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: touchdowns A text say and m super productive, can catch

1147
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: the ball right slot a minute running back too. Well,

1148
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, if he comes on the field on third

1149
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: down and whiffs on a pass protection assignment and Justin

1150
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: Herbert gets lit up, you know, you're not going to

1151
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: play much after that, you know, So that's really important

1152
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: if he can really tune up that part of his

1153
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: game and he's got a clear path to it. I

1154
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: think the big question is I think Larry Rountree has

1155
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: a roster spot because he brings some juice on special

1156
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: teams coverage and Joshua Kelly doesn't really bring anything on

1157
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: that area. So I think, you know, that's going to

1158
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: be really important. The question to me is if they

1159
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: keep four running backs. It's something that the Saints did

1160
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot of when Joe Lombardi was there's the quarterbacks coach.

1161
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: It's something the Chargers did last year and Joe Lombardi's

1162
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: first season as offensive coordinator. You know, you start, it's

1163
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: a little early to start, you know, going through the

1164
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: fifteenth man. But do they do they keep all four

1165
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: or if they stick with three? You know, it seems

1166
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: like Joshua Kelly is is the man out unfortunately, and

1167
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: it just goes back to something that has sort of

1168
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: been a theme of this entire discussion. You know, this

1169
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: has been the season of turnover, right, of taking a

1170
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: roster that was built for different schemes and turning it

1171
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: over for Brandon's Daley and Joe Lombardi and these new schemes.

1172
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: And so I think you're gonna see it's We've already

1173
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: seen a ton of these guys, particularly on defense this

1174
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: offseason that have gone elsewhere, and it's only going to

1175
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: continue as Brandon Stilly gets his guys into the building

1176
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: and Joshua Kelly was and Anthony Lynn draft pick. Yeah,

1177
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: I think, you know, speaking to the pass pro, that's

1178
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: going to be so important. And you know, josh pretty

1179
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: darn good at pass bro not a lot of juice

1180
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: that we've seen running the ball. I think we're still

1181
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: kind of waiting for that. And I just I think

1182
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: about that first game, in the second game and how

1183
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: good he looked before the fumble against Kansas City, and

1184
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: and it just takes been a different player since then,

1185
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: because prior to that he looked great. It's like, oh,

1186
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 1: there we go. Second back has arrived and for whatever reason,

1187
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: and then you know the huge fumble again in this

1188
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: uh what was it was that against the back exactly.

1189
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: So there was that game, and then he had the

1190
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: extension fumble um against the Chiefs on the Thursday night

1191
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: game right where he was that the Chiefs of the

1192
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: Raiders game. I can't remember, but he left left too soon, yeah,

1193
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: the Chiefs game. Yeah, And um, so look, you can't

1194
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: turn the ball over like you cannot turn the ball

1195
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: over like that. So I think that's another thing that's

1196
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: working against against Josh. And I think if you're talking

1197
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: about man carrying four backs and a fullback, you know,

1198
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: that's you know, that that roster math that, like you said,

1199
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it here and in in May,

1200
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: but it's going to be interesting to see how they

1201
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: how they decide to construct this. And and man, I

1202
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know about four running backs, that to me

1203
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: seems really really rich. I think one of these guys

1204
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: is gonna you know, I think they're fighting. I think

1205
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: these these you know, those two guys are going to

1206
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: be fighting for one spot. I just I really feel

1207
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: like that's how it's going to play out. Yeah. So,

1208
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: I mean they did it last year, so they went

1209
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: they went four running backs, they kept game and then

1210
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: so three quarterbacks, five wide outs, four tight ends and

1211
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: four ten on the offensive line. Yeah, I mean I

1212
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: guess it's yeah, it's wide Out's interesting too because Deandja

1213
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 1: Carter has a flexibility, is like the fifth wide receiver.

1214
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: That's true. He had three there in Washington last year. Yeah, yeah,

1215
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: that's true. Everybody got upset when they cut t Billy

1216
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: and it ended up making sense, you know, with the

1217
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: way the roster was good, with the extra tight end

1218
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: or the extra the extra back. Yeah, I think fans

1219
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: really overrated him as a player really fast. Um, but

1220
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, when you have thor throwing the football seventy

1221
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: yards down field, that speed plays up a little bit.

1222
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: There's not many guys built like him. Popper Plug what

1223
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: you got going on? And can Money and I come

1224
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: on Hops with Pop at some point? Yeah, so what's up?

1225
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: I think the plan in the off season is going

1226
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: to be, you know, adding some production value to Hops

1227
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: with Pop. Right now, the production team is me sitting

1228
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: in front of my camera with a beer. That's it.

1229
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. So maybe I know where to

1230
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: get the theme music. Yeah, down cloud library there you go.

1231
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah a currently, Yeah, the rest of my day, I'm

1232
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: just gonna be sitting here refreshing, um, you know, my

1233
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: website to see if any labels have signed my music,

1234
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: which is never gonna happen, and working on a different remix.

1235
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna make some We're

1236
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna get some theme music, We're gonna get some production value.

1237
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna see where we can take this YouTube thing

1238
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: and then h otherwise just uh, you know, be doing

1239
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: my takeaways off Ota. So stay plugged into my Twitter

1240
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: and uh to the athletic, it's educational. Reb what's the

1241
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: educational what's the logo for the athletic? I'm I'm it's

1242
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: escaping me right now. Do they have a logo? Do

1243
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: I have anything anything? Oh? Oh wow, there, let's end

1244
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: that mug pop nothing because I've been on here for

1245
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: an hour and my coffee's done. Same thing that's in

1246
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson's coffee, mugieneken and ice. Love that ice. Wait, seriously,

1247
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm talking out of my ass. Oh god,

1248
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: that's that's uh, that's my beverage on hops of pop

1249
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: heeken and ice. There you go, you know exactly. Maybe

1250
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: maybe a little Birdie said something about that, speaking of Twitter,

1251
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: uh pop all right, so much. Uh guys, we'll see

1252
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: you next week for money and pop for oppress. This

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