1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Well, 2 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: this is going to be an obnoxious beginning. Jerry O. Hello, 3 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: welcome to Ridiculous his Story. It's I'm not going to 4 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: do that voice the whole time. Hi, I'm ben Hi, 5 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: I'm no chim chim cheru to you as well, my friend. Yes, yes, uh, 6 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: there's our there's our super producer, Casey peg Rib who 7 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: is tolerating these terrible accents. Chim chim cherie to the 8 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: chim chim fellows. I was, you know, over the weekend, guys, 9 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: I rewatched Mary Poppins for the first time in a 10 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: long time. It was research though, right, I mean, like, 11 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: come on, yeah, it was. There was a lot of stuff. 12 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: There were a lot of plot points in there that 13 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: I kind of missed when I was watching it as 14 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: a child. And one of the things that I missed 15 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: is they kind of we'll see it. They kind of 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: glamorized chimney sweeps, don't they. They sure do a sweep 17 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: is as lucky as lucky can be. Um. They occasionally 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: slip into interdimensional animated realms and kick it with penguins 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: and dressed up as waiters and what even is his 20 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: relationship with Mary Poppins. Are they like lovers? Are they 21 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: just pals is paling around? They have a you know, 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: the entire film brims with this sort of will they 23 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: won't they? And there's there's a past with Bert the 24 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: Chimney Sweep was, Yeah, played by Dick Van Dyke legend 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: in his time. Uh, there's a past between Burt and 26 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: Mary Poppins. We're not sure what it is, but there's 27 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: definitely a deep, a deep vein of affection between them 28 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: and sexual tension. If I might add, yeah, that's will 29 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: they won't they? Then I'm talking about right, or will 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: they won't they? Again in front of these kids. I 31 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: think there's also a strong implication that the Bert the 32 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Chimney Sweep is imbued with some sort of magical power 33 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: similar to that of Mary Poppins. Yeah. Yeah, like if 34 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: she's a cosmic superhero power level, he's like street level superhero. 35 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: He saw the Daredevil to her Captain Marvel, which uh, 36 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: which is cool. Uh. You don't see a lot of 37 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: nitty gritty chimney work on Bert's parts, Uh, but you 38 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: kind of assume it goes on in the background, like 39 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: the construction background. You can hear in today's episode. That 40 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: was a great segue bed and like you said, power 41 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: through it today. Such is uh the nature of recording 42 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: under quarantine. But no, it's true. I don't think you 43 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: see him if I don't think a single chimney is 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: swept in the whole of that film. He's just kind 45 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: of goofing off with the kids, Like, how's he making 46 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: a living? Yeah, it must be his his off season, 47 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: or maybe he is occupied with some of the other 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: social duties of chimney sweeps which have nothing to do 49 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: with chimneys at all. This was a weird thing for 50 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: us folks. Uh, we didn't know this, right, I didn't 51 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: know this. But apparently it's good luck to see a 52 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: chimney sweep on your wedding day, and it's also good 53 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: luck to shake their hands or have them kiss you. 54 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: And it's also good luck to just like lay hands 55 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: upon a chimney sweep early in the morning. This is 56 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: this is weird. They have this, uh, this sort of 57 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: folkloric association with good luck. Yeah, I mean most of 58 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: that's laid out in the delightful song chim Chimney, chim Chimney, 59 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: chim chim Cherie I don't know if that's exactly the 60 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: official title, but you know, he says the sweep is 61 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: as lucky as lucky can be. Good luck will rub 62 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: off when I shake hands with you. I guess the 63 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: implication is the luck is the soot. I don't know. 64 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: It's interesting, but like I said, Dick Van Dyke's character 65 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: in that movie definitely seems to be a low tier superhero. 66 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: And there's there's other little kind of spins on this tradition. Um. 67 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: At one point, it was actually customary for the town's 68 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: chimney sweep to carry a pig around through the streets 69 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: on New Year's Day. Pigs are also a harbinger of 70 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: good luck, especially in Asian countries, if I'm not mistaken 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: man yet. The issue here is that this was a terrible, 72 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: terrible celebration for the pig because people paid the chimney 73 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: sweep a small sum topench or whatever, and the chimney 74 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: sweeper then allow them to make a wish while pulling 75 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: a hair from the pig. So this is a terrible 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: New Year's Day for the poor pig. Yikes. And and 77 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: like you said, Bert, Dick Van Dyke's character in Chim 78 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: Chim churry. He makes several references musically to these long 79 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: standing traditions, but where did they come from? That's that's 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: what we're looking at today. There are a couple of 81 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: different legends and maybe Noel Casey. At the end, we 82 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: can ask ourselves which seems most likely. But you know, uh, 83 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: no harm, no foul if we if we can't definitively 84 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, nailed down the correct answer. Just as long 85 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: as we get through this without Jonathan Strickland a k a. 86 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: The Quister showing up, Uh, then I think we're in 87 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: a good spot because you know that he will do 88 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: all of Mary Poppins. Who will just do all of it? God, 89 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: I can't imagine a cringe at the thought, but that's 90 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: the true There. We have a regular old history mystery 91 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: on our hands. So let's let's let's do the thing 92 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: where we kind of weigh the possibilities and then at 93 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: the end we'll we'll kind of maybe decide which one 94 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: we think is the best. Um So. In ten sixty six, 95 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: King William of Britain was supposedly rescued by a sweep 96 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: who um actually pushed him out of the way of 97 00:05:54,360 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: an oncoming carriage. Superhero move. I'm exactly um. And so 98 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: the king believing that you know, obviously, the rescuing of 99 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: the King in and of itself is like an act 100 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: of good luck that should have tendrils that extend into 101 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, the rest of society. UM, because he, after all, 102 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: is like, you know, a god on earth. Um. He 103 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: believed that the chimney sweep brought him luck, and he 104 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: um invited the sweep to his daughter's wedding on this 105 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: the day of his daughter's wedding. And if it's good 106 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: enough for the King, then it's good enough for you, right, folks. 107 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: That's why I Ever since, according to this theory, it's 108 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: been considered to be tremendously good luck to have a 109 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: chimney sweep at your wedding or really any special events, 110 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: or have them visit your house, not just to clean 111 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: the chimney, but to sort of, um a phrase I'll 112 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: make up now, chimney bless you. Uh. In addition, I 113 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: just want to add that, for a long time, as 114 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: a kid, I thought the word I was pronouncing the 115 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: word chimley, and no one corrected me. Well, there's actually 116 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: a song by the band the Decembrists called the chimney sweep. 117 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: So I don't think you were alone in that, And 118 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: I think it maybe is uh perhaps a what's the 119 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: word colloquial is a colloquial um kind of way of 120 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: pronouncing Yeah, chimpley is a legitimate sort of dialectical variation 121 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: of chimney. But I didn't even have the B. I 122 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: just thought was chimley. No one said anything, but anyway, 123 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: mispronunciations dialects aside. Uh No. The weirdest part about this 124 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: is that in this theory it said that the king 125 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: was so taken by having his life saved that not 126 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: only did he have this guy at his wedding, but 127 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: he said, you know what, not just you hashtag Yes, 128 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: all sweeps, all chimney sweeps are lucky. Uh And if 129 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: your chimney sweep, you can only wear a top hat 130 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: and nothing else. I think they wore clothes as well, 131 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: claw or maybe the strategically placed top hat. They didn't 132 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: say it was on their head. Well, I have a 133 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: question for you, but if if all these chimney sweeps 134 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: are doing all these wedding gigs, who's sweeping the dang chimney? Well, there, 135 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: there's probably sweepy then like when they get to the 136 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: wedding and then they make a little stop in so 137 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: that you have that nice soot. Yeah, they had kind 138 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: of a uniform. They wore these top hats um, which 139 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: was actually like sort of like a special dispensation like 140 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: from the king, because top hats previously had been reserved 141 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: for royalty and landed gentry. Right then, in another twist 142 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: of superstition, um, the sweeps were thought to be luckier 143 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: if they wore thirteen buttons on their jacket, thirteen being 144 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: a lucky number. I always thought thirteen was an unlucky number. 145 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Thirteen is an unlucky number in Western culture, which is maybe, maybe, 146 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: if we're speculating, it's sort of the good luck power 147 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: of the sweep canceling out the bad luck power of thirteen, right, maybe, 148 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: But the legend has it that a sweep can cancel 149 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: out any bad luck in general. So like if you're 150 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: strolling down the streets of mary Old to England, you 151 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: walk under a ladder or a black cat crosses your path, 152 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: and you're the superstitious sort, your next move immediately is 153 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: to go to a chimney sweep and say like, hey, 154 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: can I give you some money to to rub you, 155 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: I guess, or to pull a hair from your pig 156 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: if it's New Year's Day. That's legend one ben um. 157 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: Not to get too off track, And I'm sure you 158 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: know this, being a cat person, but did you know 159 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: that a lot of like black cats are abused and 160 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: at the very least not adopted as frequently as other 161 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: cats because of that superstition. Yes, it's terrible. But as 162 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: we continue to peel back the onions or scrape away 163 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: the soot of this legend, we find another another theory. Uh, 164 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: And yet again it has some of the same tropes. 165 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: A chimney sweep saves the life of a king, but 166 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: this time it's George the Second or George the third. 167 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: People aren't sure. Yeah, it was said that during like 168 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: a roy ill parade a procession, a hound bit the 169 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: legs of the King's horse. I gave him a little nip, 170 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: and the horse got spooked. His horses do. And then 171 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, this chimney sweep emerges from the crowd 172 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: uh and and soothes the animal um and then vanishes 173 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: as quickly as he appeared. Less sexy of a story 174 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: than pushing the king out of the path of a 175 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: runaway carriage, I would argue. But still, you know, it's 176 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: a very similar trope of like the mysterious sweep just appears, 177 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: saves the day, and then vanishes into the crowd. And hey, 178 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: it may have been his dog too, that might be 179 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: why I vanished. Such a good point. So this one 180 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: has a little bit more of a motivation for the King, 181 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: I think, because there's a great Atlas Obscura article about this, 182 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: the many possible reasons British people hired chimney sweeps for 183 00:10:54,640 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: their weddings, according to some speculation, because the King is 184 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: not able to identify this individual sweep personally. He said, 185 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: forget it. You know, I'm busy ruling. So just every 186 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: sweep is lucky, go go forth through the land. Every 187 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: sweep shall be the luckiest of the trades. Indeed is 188 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: an act of benevolence or laziness. That's for history to 189 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: decide if it even happened. True. Also a very good point. 190 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: So in this article we've got the account from one 191 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: Liz Lyster about the research she put into this, and 192 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: she says, my study has found no written royal decree 193 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: to give us the true facts, and there's some confusion 194 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: as to which King George the credit. So the story 195 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: with the horse, she says, happened sometime between seventeen thirty 196 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: and seventeen forty, so that would be King George the 197 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: second seventeen to seventeen sixty, but the top hat came 198 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: around in the seventeen seventies, so she understands why people 199 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: think it might have been and George the third. Interesting, 200 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: that's a that's a good clue right there, I would say, um, 201 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: all right. Legend three, the falling chimney sweep. Oh, this 202 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: is good. This is a what do they call it? 203 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: Rum comes? This is a meat cute. I love him. 204 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: I love a meat cube, Ben love a good meat cube. 205 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: What happened? What happened late on it? Yeah, so a 206 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: a chimney sweep. In the execution of his sweep lee duties, 207 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: Um lost his balance and and took a tumble from 208 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: a gutter. And then a woman inside the house that 209 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: he was sweeping saw him and pulled him inside the safety. 210 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: So he, I guess, like was like dangling or something. 211 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: And then she opened a window and gave him a 212 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: helping hand and pulled him in, and um, it was 213 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: love at first sight, the two fell in love and 214 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: we're married. Uh, you know, according to this legend, instantly, Um, 215 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, take that with a grain of salt. But 216 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: that's where the idea of having a chimney sweep at 217 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: your wedding, um and giving him a little peck on 218 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: the cheek or to you know, for the bride is 219 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: considered a sign of a good omen you know, fortuitous 220 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: things to come m And that one comes to us 221 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: from our very own how stuff works, which we can't 222 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: recommend enough. So shout out to the author, Deborah Ronka. 223 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: Why is it good luck to shake at chimney sweep's hand? 224 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: This is the thing Before we go to the other theories, 225 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: I just want to ask, doesn't it seems strange that 226 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: a job and I'm not going to be like micro 227 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: dirty jobs about it, but doesn't seem strange that it 228 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: becomes good luck to physically engage with someone who you 229 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: know has a lot of dirt and soot on them. 230 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: It's it's odd, and maybe the counterintuitiveness is part of 231 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: why the legend stuck around. I don't know, it is odd, 232 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: Ben and um, I'll tell you another quick aside story 233 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: that's also odd. Are you familiar with the European Christmas 234 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: character Black Peter. I already know, yeah, yeah, yeah, And 235 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: folks that aren't as familiar. Um. He essentially is sort 236 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: of like considered in in in Santa Claus mythology to 237 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: be like a demon that Santa Claus has tamed, and 238 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: he sort of acts as like a hand servant or 239 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: whatever to Santa Claus. But he uh is traditionally considered 240 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: to be a more from Spain, so a black um 241 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: person from Spanish descent um, and is often portrayed by 242 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: white people wearing black face and bright red lipstick and 243 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: this kind of little Jester's outfit. And it's you know, 244 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: been a tradition in Europe for for many many years UM, 245 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: and it's you know, obviously become very problematic, especially in 246 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: the last you know, decade or so, if not, I 247 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: mean obviously it's been calling them than that. But there's 248 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: a um sort of a petition or maybe like a 249 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: petition to make an alternative version of this character called 250 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: such Smudge pete um, which I guess it justifies the 251 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: black face or implies that it's something else. But then 252 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: I looked into because I only bring this up because 253 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: I heard this on NPR the other day about Smudge Pete, 254 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: and so I assumed maybe that black Pete was always 255 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: supposed to kind of that was sort of always the thing, 256 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: and people were just getting bet out of shape. But 257 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: that's not the case. Um, But I thought maybe he 258 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: was like, you know, essentially Santa Claus's chimney sweep, like 259 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: on hand that would like go ahead of him and 260 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: the chimneys and clean it out so Santa wouldn't get 261 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: his like, you know, nice white shiny duds all smudgy. 262 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: But that's just me thinking creatively. I guess, yeah, I 263 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: like where your head's at. Yes, vote Pete is the 264 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: That's how people would know it in Dutch, right, Uh, 265 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: that's right, this this guy. First off, the people dressing 266 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: up this way look just as al Jolson and offensive 267 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: as you might think. Yeah, but the there there is 268 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: an interesting intersection, possibly with chimneys, because you can link 269 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: this to the Nordic the Nordic idea of the wild 270 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: hunt of Odin. Think about it. Another very powerful old 271 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: white guy is flying through the air on the wild hunt. Uh. 272 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: He's accompanied by his white horse, sleep Near, but he's 273 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: also accompanied by two Ravens, Hugen and moon In. I 274 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: think that's thought and memory. Somebody checked me on that, 275 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: and they would they would listen at the chimneys of 276 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: homes they visited to tell Odin essentially who was naughty 277 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: and who was nice, who was behaving well and who 278 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: was behaving poorly, and Zavarte Pete maybe doing some of 279 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: the same things. So I don't think that's off base 280 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: at all. I do think that proposed solution of what 281 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: was it, smudge smudge Pete. Yeah, I don't know if 282 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: that fixes it. Oh, I don't think it does either. 283 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: And the last thing before we move on with chimney 284 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: sweeps um so about to Pete is also of a 285 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 1: longstanding German tradition of Santa Claus having some sort of 286 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: like boogeyman that accompanies him that like will basically punish 287 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: the bad children. Uh. And it's something to strike fear 288 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: into the hearts of children to make sure they behave 289 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: so they make sure they're on the nice list. What's 290 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: a crampus? That's tramps or bell Schnickel was another one 291 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: you might remember from the episode of the Office where 292 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: Dwight portrays Bellschnickel and they'll like whip you with reads 293 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: if you're if you're a bad little boy or girl. 294 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: And now we see war explanations. So I like that 295 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: we're building in a mythological aspect here because a lot 296 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: of obviously I think a lot of people know this now, 297 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: but quite a few, quite a few modern traditions that 298 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: seems somewhat inexplicable do descend from ancient mytho pology and 299 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: ancient folkloric beliefs. Uh back in one and a story 300 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: named Philip Brown came up with another idea about chimney 301 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: sweeps and good luck and weddings, and he went he 302 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: went deep. First off, he went through all the three 303 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: legends we discussed and their variations, and he didn't like them. 304 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: So he said it might have something to do with 305 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: He had a couple of he had a couple of pitches. 306 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: He said it might have something to do with ancient 307 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: Roman associations between get this soot and fertility, because he 308 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: points out Vulcan, the god of the fire and the forge, 309 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: the blacksmith god, was married to Venus, the goddess of love. 310 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: And there was also that tradition of sweeping out the 311 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: fireplace on New Year's Day for good luck, I applaud 312 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: you know what if I was his professor, A plus 313 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: for thinking outside of the flu. There we go. That's 314 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: a part of a chimney. But here's the thing. Um, 315 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: all of this sounds very mystical and whimsical. And to 316 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: see old Burt and Mary Poppins dancing around, you know, 317 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: with the animated penguins, you'd think that the chimney sweeps 318 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: life was charmed, especially with all this talk of luck 319 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: and all of that. But uh, the actual life of 320 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: a chimney sweep, as you can hear in the lyrics 321 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: to that um that December song I mentioned earlier, was 322 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: actually a pretty bleak. I'll give you a quick reading. Um, 323 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: I am a chimbley sweep, a chimbley sweep, no bed 324 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: to lie, no shoes to hold my feet. Upon the 325 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: rooftops in dead of night. You'll hear me cry. I'll 326 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: shake you from your sleep to hear me weep. Your 327 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: day will come. Indeed, for I am a poor and 328 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: a wretched boy, a chimbley chimbley sweep. I am an orphan, 329 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: an orphan boy. I have no no love, I've seen 330 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: no mother's joy, A dirty doorstep, my cradle laid, my 331 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: fortune's made, I'll shake you from your sleep. Yikes, sounds 332 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: pretty bleak. It sounds to me as though like the 333 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: the job of a chimney sweep was like the bottom 334 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: of the barrel, dirtiest job that only the lowliest of 335 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: the low could it could attain um and it was 336 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: they were lucky to have any kind of employment at all. 337 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: It was sort of like a step up from being 338 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: on the streets. Yeah, the bottom of the fireplace. Indeed, 339 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: I do also want to point out whenever somebody says 340 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: bottom of the totem pole, if you want to be 341 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: one of those actual people at parties, those actually people, uh, 342 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: you should point out that the the individuals identify on 343 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: the bottom of the totem pole are the most important. 344 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: It's actually the ones on the top that are the 345 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: newest and least important. As a good actually man that 346 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: was actually, but this this is true. Life is terrible 347 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: for many chimney sweeps, especially beginning in the late sixteen hundreds. 348 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: That's when that's when people due to the Great Fire 349 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: of London, which destroyed so many ancient buildings, people started 350 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: building newer buildings with skinnier chimneys and adult sweeps began 351 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: hiring children, often orphans young boys, to scuttle up inside 352 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: the chimneys to clean them. And these kids had to 353 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: work off like some of the bad families, and they 354 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: were just trying to supplement their family's income. But then 355 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: orphans or abandoned children came under the care of something 356 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: called the poor law, which is as callous as you 357 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: might imagine it. But most of them were put into 358 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: the care of employers who said, you know, I'll give 359 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: you room and board, a crust of bread at a 360 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: corner in the in the barn if you work like 361 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: a dog for me, work like a turnspit dog or 362 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: or a turnspit boy. Yeah. And I like, I want 363 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: to emphasize this. We're talking kids. We're talking children as 364 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: young as four years old are forced into having a 365 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: job with someone who may not necessarily care about them, 366 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're just like you are 367 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: another tool that I use, utterly expendable because they were 368 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: the perfect size to kind of you said, um, shimmy 369 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: their way up into these super tight, dangerous and uh toxic, 370 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 1: you know, brick chimneys, um and sweep them out. They 371 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: would have to just literally kind of, like I said, 372 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: shimmy up there using their bare knees and elbows and hands, 373 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: and they would often be you know, stripped raw um. 374 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: And God only knows what kind of infections you could 375 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: get in that situation, I mean, just gross stuff. And 376 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: they would you know, inevitably become covered and callouses and scabs, 377 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: and they'd be inhaling all these toxic chemicals and smoke 378 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: and dust and god, it sounds like an absolute nightmarish situation. Um. 379 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: These exposure to these conditions would cause irreparable lung damage 380 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: like black lung disease. UM. And you know this sounds 381 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: so horrible and callous to say, but it's just absolutely true. 382 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: The smaller you were, the better. Um, you would be 383 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: considered a much more desirable chimney sweep if you were 384 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: very very young or very very small. Yeah, and by 385 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: the time you reach the age of ten, you were 386 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: washed up as far as this profession was concerned. Another 387 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: extra tidbit of terrible nous. Some kids got stuck in chimneys, 388 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: or some got frightened of climbing up inside these dark 389 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: things because their children. Right, and there's a lot of 390 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: not hard proof, but There's a lot of anecdotal evidence 391 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: that their bosses, whomever the fagans were, to these Oliver twists, 392 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: might light a fire underneath the kids to uh incentivize 393 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: them to climb out of the chimney. The sides of 394 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: chimneys also are very unhealthy places, and many of these 395 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: kids ended up with, as you said, doing respiratory disease, 396 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: also burns and irritation or the first occupational cancer ever 397 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: diagnosed in history, chimney sweeps cancer. It's a type of 398 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: scrutal tumor that sounds like what it is I imagine, yeah, exactly, 399 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: chimney sweeps cancer is a euphemism at best. We wanted 400 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: to mentioned one last thing. I should have mentioned it 401 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: when we were talking about the size requirements. Uh. This 402 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: was often leaned into by the you know, sweep masters 403 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: or what you or whatever you want to call them, 404 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: um and the kids were often underfed with the intention 405 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: of of like stunting their growth or just keeping them 406 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: skinny enough they could get up in those chimneys. So 407 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: this is terrible, you might be saying, Ben Noel Casey, 408 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: why did you trick me into hearing about the horrors 409 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: of child labor well because it's important, but also because 410 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: there is a bit of a happy ending. This is 411 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: not the case with the chimney sweeping industry today. Back 412 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds, the UK Parliament passed a number 413 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: of restrictions on child labor, but they didn't really start 414 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: enforcing the until the nine like eight nineties or so. Uh. 415 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: They in the eighteen thirties Parliament started carrying about the 416 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: exploitation of child labor in general. And that's why that's 417 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 1: part of why the Chimney Sweeps Act passed in eighteen 418 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: thirty four. Here's what they did. They said, Look, if 419 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: a kid is under ten, you can't be sticking them 420 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: up chimneys, and if they're under the age of fourteen, 421 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: they can't be climbing up the chimneys. Yeah, you would 422 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: think that the law that was in place earlier that 423 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: was so horrible um for these kids, called the poor law, 424 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: would have been one that was like benefiting the poor, 425 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: like to you know, give them some protection. But not 426 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: the case. But at least here we're starting to inch 427 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: into some modicum of like protection for at least the 428 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: smallest child. How how was it organized now, ben Like, 429 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: how was it structured in terms of, like, you know, 430 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: was it still this level of indentured servitude or was 431 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: it more like I'm gonna apprentice under a chimney sweep 432 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: at fourteen and become, you know, a professional sweep. Well, 433 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: it has it probably varied on a case by case basis, 434 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, because this is still a this is still 435 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: a means of livelihood for a lot of kids who 436 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: were abandoned or orphans. So it really depends on the 437 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: approach and attitude of whomever their mentor is or their 438 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: their sponsor. Right. Uh, this clearly still didn't quite cut 439 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: the mustard, didn't quite clean the chimney for parliament. So 440 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty there was a revised Chimney Sweeps Act 441 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: that said, okay, okay, j K, everybody calmed down. Were 442 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: raising the minimum age of apprenticeship to sixteen. And then 443 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: of course this was also ignored because these laws we 444 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: have to be super transparent about this. These laws were 445 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: affecting the poor, which meant that was it was on 446 00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: the establishment to enforce these laws. Didn't happen. What I'm saying, 447 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: children under ten, we're still being uh made to climb 448 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: up chimneys their health be damned until until weirdly enough, 449 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: a novel comes out in eighteen sixty three, that's right. Uh, 450 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: the delightfully named The Water Babies, which is a novel 451 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: by Charles Kingsley. Um, and it, you know, among other things, 452 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 1: chronicle the absolute abysmal treatment the children were seeing in 453 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: this type of job. And that is through the eyes 454 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: of the novel's protagonist, Tom, who is a child chimney 455 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: sweep And that's this is this is a great example 456 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: of the power of literature, like things like The Jungle 457 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: by Upton Sinclair, you know, pointing out to horrible conditions 458 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: in meat packing industry. Um. And it's something where when 459 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: enough people hear about it through literature, even if it's fiction, 460 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: if it represents something real, it is the kind of 461 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: thing that will cause a groundswell of support and can 462 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: actually change laws. So I mean that's you know, I 463 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: think that's really an amazing testament to the power of 464 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: art um and literature. So Parliament did respond, um, and 465 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: they created something called the Chimney Sweepers Regulation Act um. 466 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: And it meant well but didn't do a whole hell 467 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: of a lot. Right, Yeah, you read my mind, because 468 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: I was I was looking back at this as well 469 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: with um with Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, which is a 470 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: fantastic book, even though it's written in nineteen o six. 471 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: I think the message is impactful and it's well worth 472 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: reading today. I have not at this point read The 473 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: Water Babies, but if you have, ridiculous historians, let us 474 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: know if it's if it's worth the read. As you said, no, 475 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: this does impact legislation, and this legislation actually gets enforced today. However, 476 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: your local chimney sweep may well appear at weddings as 477 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: a side hustle because this concept of the lucky sweep 478 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: survived all the all the real world legislation and all 479 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: the real world concerns. You can see lucky chimney sweeps 480 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: and Mary Poppins, of course, but you can also see 481 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: lucky chimney sweep in Ulysses by James Joyce, which I 482 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: enjoyed very much. But it's it's a book that is 483 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: some work to read. Yeah, that one's kind of got 484 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: the stream of consciousness kind of vibe to it, right, 485 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: most most of Joyce does after that period. Uh, it's 486 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: still once you get into it, it has these these 487 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: beautiful moments. There's one moment where, and this is not 488 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: really a spoiler because of the way it's written, there's 489 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: one moment where these two guys are pretty inebriated and 490 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: they're like standing with their backs to each other and 491 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: they're peeing outside of some horrible adventure, and it's like 492 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: one of the most beautifully written scenes ever about who 493 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: you are, where you are in the universe. Anyway, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 494 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: you're right. Those stream of consciousness can make them sort 495 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: of inaccessible. But there's a minor carrot your in Ulysses 496 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: who talks about invoking soots luck, which is clearly Joyce's 497 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: reference to uh to this chimney sweep luck. And then 498 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: Prince Philip uh at right, like on the morning of 499 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: his wedding in seven to Queen Elizabeth now Queen Elizabeth, 500 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: he walked outside and like founded chimney sweep and shook 501 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 1: his head. Since he was the Prince, I imagine they 502 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: set him up with one in advance, right, Do you 503 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: watch that show The Queen on Netflix? Ben? I do not, 504 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: do you mean? I'm sorry? The Crown, The Crown is 505 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: what it's called the Crown. Excuse me, but I love 506 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: the I love the actors in it. I do too. 507 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: The the casting is bonkers. Uh and and in the 508 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: new season, I think they've kind of caught up more 509 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: to like, you know, the era of of that monarchy 510 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: that maybe we grew up remembering with Princess Dae and um, 511 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Charles and all of that stuff and Camilla and all 512 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: that um. But it makes me want to check it out. 513 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: And I gotta wonder, like if in the dramatization of 514 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth's marriage to Prince Philip, they have this chimney 515 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: sweep momentum right in let us know and right now 516 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: if you are getting if you're getting married in the UK. 517 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how common this is in the US, 518 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: but if you're getting married in the UK, for about 519 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: a hundred pounds, you can have a chimney sweep show 520 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: up to your wedding. They'll shake hands, they'll kiss the 521 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: bride or the groom or you know, the partners, whomever 522 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: is getting married. It's they'll take photos and then they're 523 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: like they'll spread, they'll spread what's described as uh sootie 524 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: cheer and chimney sweeps. Love this. They're not forced to 525 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: do it. It makes for a solid side hustle in 526 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: the summer, because, like we said at the top, chimney 527 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: sweeping is somewhat seasonal and summer is the slow time 528 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: for them. So Liz Lyster and her husband, the folks 529 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: who mentioned earlier, they say they do about one wedding 530 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: a week from April through September, so that's like a 531 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: regular part of their business. Pretty cool, Pretty cool. It's funny, man. 532 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: You know. Obviously in the United States we have chimneys 533 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: a plenty, but I don't really ever think of the 534 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: chimney sweep as being like a singular profession. It seems 535 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: to be like it would be something wrapped into another 536 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: type of like, you know, all service kind of workman scenario. 537 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: But maybe I'm wrong there. But I did look up 538 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: modern chimney sweeps in the UK, and obviously they don't 539 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: wear the old top hat and thirteen button coat anymore. 540 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: Um they're you know, much like you would think of 541 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: someone who would you know, get on a roof and 542 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: um replace shingles or like you know, gutters and things 543 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: like that, more looking like construction type workers. But they 544 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: do have these specialized tools, these very long brushes. I'm 545 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: sure that's improved over time as well. Um, but yeah, 546 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: very much still alive and well as a profession. I 547 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: gotta wonder, though, Ben, when they go to the weddings, 548 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: do they think they wear like more of an old 549 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: timey thing? Is that in some ways sort of I 550 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: don't know, not poking fun at the professional They obviously 551 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: choose to take the gig and everything, But how do 552 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: you feel about that, knowing the history of it and 553 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: knowing how troubling some of this gacie is. Yeah, yeah, 554 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's a good question. I wouldn't fault 555 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: the Chimney Sweeps for participating in that tradition. It's it's 556 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: a good gig, and it's not them condoning child labor. 557 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: And definitely it's you know, it's an air brushed version 558 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: or a clean swept version. I'm killing it with these today, 559 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: a clead, swept version of history for them to uh, 560 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, to dress this way. But we also have 561 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: to consider for a lot of these Chimney Sweeps, they're 562 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: trying to differentiate themselves from the other folks. They can 563 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: be hired for a wedding, so they want kind of 564 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: a memorable costume. Some are even giving away bags of 565 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: genuine soot, which is weird. Uh. They'll even do a 566 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: little bit of theatrical stuff. They'll work with a wedding 567 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: party to make it seem like, Oh, I'm a chimney sweep, 568 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: I just happened to be here, congratulations on your wedding. Uh. 569 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: We do have chimney sweeps, of course in the US. Uh, 570 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: they don't maybe have quite the same place in society traditionally, 571 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: but that's because of one of my favorite old saints. 572 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: In Europe, two miles is a long way. In the US, 573 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: two hundred years is a long time. There were just 574 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: more chimney sweeps around for a longer time. And speaking 575 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: of time, it is time for us to depart. As 576 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, we're in a challenging economic era. So I 577 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: am looking for a side gig. Uh maybe I don't know, 578 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: maybe chimney sweeping. It feels like it feels like it 579 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: would be unethical null for me to be a chimney 580 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: sweep who just appears at weddings. I feel like I 581 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: have to actually do the chimney stuff, you know what 582 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean? Oh, totally yeah, Ben It It does make 583 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: me question like, are these really chimney sweeps? Like, who 584 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: are doing this like for their profession doing a side 585 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: gig or they do a little soft shoe at a 586 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: wedding like this, It strikes me as very uh desparate 587 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: skill sets, if you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, 588 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: So if you're a Chimney sweep, right in and let 589 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: us know, do you also do weddings? What other special 590 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: events do you do? We would love to hear from you. 591 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: You can find us all over the internet. We're on Facebook, 592 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: We're on Twitter, We're on Instagram, that's the one. We 593 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: are not on Chimney Graham yet, but we'll have to. 594 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: We'll have to get have to get an account started there. 595 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: You can also find us as individuals. Boy can you ever? 596 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram exclusively where I am 597 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: at how now Noel Brown? I like to post memes 598 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: and you know pictures. I got a new cat band. 599 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: Did I tell you about Karome? You did? Yes? You did? Yeah, 600 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: Well you can see pictures of my and my daughter, 601 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: mainly my daughter's new cat. She's a sweet tuxedo two 602 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: year old adult cat that we adopted and she's taken 603 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: to my house like a like gangbusters and really happy 604 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: to have her I'm exclusively indoor this time. I think 605 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: I've mentioned I've had indoor outdoor cats in the past 606 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: and never again, and she's not too much of them. 607 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: The hour really enjoy her. What about you, Ben, We're 608 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: can folks see pictures of your amazing felines? First congratulations 609 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 1: NOL to you and your daughter you can't and to 610 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: your cat, your new family member. You can find me, 611 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: folks on Twitter where I'm at Ben bullyin h s W. 612 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm currently let's see this morning, I was asking people 613 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: what kind of awards they would receive if we had 614 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: a post pandemic quarantine awards ceremony, which I think we 615 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: should call the Quarries. Oh that's good then, thank you man. 616 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: You can also find me on Instagram at Ben Bulling, 617 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 1: just keeping it simple, hide and plain sight. Thanks as 618 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: always to our super producer Casey Pegram live and in 619 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: full effect. UH. Let's all make sure the three of 620 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: us and and those of us listening to UH to 621 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: give Chimney sweeps the respect they deserve when we see them. 622 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: I think personally be weird to walk up to someone 623 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: while they're at their job and be like, hey, can 624 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: I touch you? We're kiss you. That seems like an 625 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: hr nightmare waiting to happen. Can I pull a tuft 626 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: of hair from your pig from your big right oh man? 627 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: But thinks it's always of course to some of the 628 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: hardest working people in podcasts, not just Noel Brown, not 629 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: just Casey Pegram, but also Alex Williams, who composed this 630 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: banging track that you heard at the top and you're 631 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: about to hear at the end. And congrats to Alex 632 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: Williams on his new uh new to him anyway eight 633 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: track task cam multi track tape recorder. I for all 634 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: the nerds out there and know what I'm talking about. 635 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: It's a big deal. Did you get that one from Lauren? 636 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: No he got. He ordered one on eBay and it's 637 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,439 Speaker 1: like the same, the same, very close to the same 638 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: model I used to have growing up, um when I 639 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: was getting into multicheck recording. But his does eight tracks, 640 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: meaning you can record eight separate things on separate you know, 641 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: individual tracks that you can then mix. Mine only did four, um, 642 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: so uh, fifteen year old Noel is super jealous of 643 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: modern day Alex. And big thanks of course to Jonathan Strickland, 644 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: a k a. The Quister, who I am sure is 645 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: doing a British accent somehow related to Chimney sweeping right now, 646 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 1: just on his own. He's that kind of dude. Thanks 647 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: also to Ease Jeff Coo and to Christopher Haciotis, and 648 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: to double down on Thinking Chris. He has been Johnny 649 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: on the spot lately setting us really cool ideas in 650 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,919 Speaker 1: our company UM group chat situation. So you might see 651 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: some of those on upcoming episodes. UM what else so 652 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: we have? I don't think that thinks about it. In 653 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: the meantime, if you want to reach out to us, uh, 654 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: you can do so on Facebook, where you can find 655 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: our group Ridiculous Historians to share historical memes and just 656 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, pal around with your fellow ridiculous Historian's a 657 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: lot of fun, really good group of folks there, and 658 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: you can get into that by just naming one or 659 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: two or three of us, UM and you're in. Okay, 660 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: it's all we got. That's it. Jim chim churry, Chim 661 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: chim churry. To you, Ben and to you and yours 662 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians. We'll see you next time. 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