Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, Hey, what's your name? Brother?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: You call it Chris Chris. Oh, Chris, Chris, Chris Chris.
Speaker 1: What are we going to do with you? Chris?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: But what can I do for you? Gecko?
Speaker 1: What can you do for me? Well?
Speaker 4: What do you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you doing right now?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Just relaxing for the evening. Really, my wife is putting
Speaker 3: our daughter to bed currently, So.
Speaker 1: It sounds nice. It sounds nice. What's it like having
Speaker 1: what's it like having a family. I'm genuinely very curious.
Speaker 3: It's been great, honestly, Like there's a lot of things
Speaker 3: that like once you have a family you weren't really
Speaker 3: like thinking about before that like become stressful or like
Speaker 3: more stressful, and obviously, like everybody's family situation is not
Speaker 3: the same, and so like I don't want to sound
Speaker 3: like a guy who's like all my families so far
Speaker 3: have been good, because I know these people have had
Speaker 3: really bad families. But it's great to be in one.
Speaker 3: I feel very I've lived my life in a way
Speaker 3: that is like very Uh. I just want like security
Speaker 3: probably most thing out of my life. It's a very
Speaker 3: secure thing for me, and I find comfort in that
Speaker 3: where I know it's definitely not a secure thing for everyone.
Speaker 1: You know, security is great. I used to knock security
Speaker 1: more and everyone told like, people told me that the
Speaker 1: old it's kind of a classic thing like the older
Speaker 1: you get, the more you crave security. And I am
Speaker 1: I am finding that. I mean, I'm always trying to
Speaker 1: find like a bell. I think I've I'm trying to
Speaker 1: strike a really kind of precise rhythm to my life
Speaker 1: that has a combination of chaos and stability. And I
Speaker 1: think I'm getting close to that. And I uh, I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about that. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about the kids thing though. Okay, let me can
Speaker 1: I get existential with you for a second, because I
Speaker 1: want to share a thought with you, and as a father,
Speaker 1: I want to hear your opinion. Go for it, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like, Okay, have you ever heard I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: on all these weird rabbit holes on the internet and
Speaker 1: I've been kind of like reading about the like is
Speaker 1: it the moral like the ethics of like bringing a
Speaker 1: child into the world. I'm super not. I'm super not
Speaker 1: on the whole thing of like why would you bring
Speaker 1: a child into this crazy world? Like I think the
Speaker 1: world has been uh way crazier in the past than
Speaker 1: it is now. But I guess this kind of existential
Speaker 1: thing of like if you believe that like there's like
Speaker 1: inherent suffering to life. I like, I'm thinking about, like
Speaker 1: if I want to have a kid, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like bring a being into consciousness to like suffer.
Speaker 1: And maybe that is obviously, of course reflective of my
Speaker 1: own like brain place, I suppose, but I do think
Speaker 1: about I do think about it. It does freak me
Speaker 1: out to like bring a new form of consciousness into
Speaker 1: the world because of my own choice. I would feel
Speaker 1: responsible for every single thing that happened in that kid's life,
Speaker 1: And then I would also be if I'm also afraid
Speaker 1: of like you know obviously like like there's come there's
Speaker 1: a certain point of like you can do the best
Speaker 1: you can to be a good father and to raise
Speaker 1: your child right and to give them attention and do
Speaker 1: all these things. But after a certain point, you know,
Speaker 1: they theyre the the their experience on this earth does
Speaker 1: become out of your control. Their experience on their their
Speaker 1: their experience on this earth is one hundred percent shaped
Speaker 1: by you. For a long time, but then but then
Speaker 1: there does come a point where you lose control and
Speaker 1: I sort of fear like about the sufferings that this
Speaker 1: being I've created will undergo, uh, just as an inevitability
Speaker 1: of being a human being. I mean, of course there's
Speaker 1: inevitable joys of being a human being, but there's also
Speaker 1: just when I get kind of hung up on like weird,
Speaker 1: it's like nihilistic, I don't. I don't like it.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm awesome. I'm in a weird mood. And when I'm
Speaker 1: in a good mood, it's easier. But like just this
Speaker 1: whole thing of bringing a being into this earth to
Speaker 1: like deal with the inevitable suffering of existence. So yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Oh no, dude, I totally get it. Like I'm I'm
Speaker 3: with you on the thing where like I know, there's
Speaker 3: talking to you just making my brain fart a little bit.
Speaker 3: But like the natalists are like people who are like
Speaker 3: the main goal is to like have children, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like that's like they're ideological. And then
Speaker 3: like the anti natalist group is like it's actually like
Speaker 3: morally wrong to bring consciousness into worlds. For like a
Speaker 3: lot of the reasons you like talked about. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think I kind of fall in,
Speaker 3: especially like now, I definitely fallen like to the more
Speaker 3: middle ground of those where it's like I totally get
Speaker 3: what you're saying, and it is like a big responsibility,
Speaker 3: but it's also like a responsibility that's like doable, and
Speaker 3: we have like more resources ever than ever to like
Speaker 3: try and outweigh the suffering in life with like joyful
Speaker 3: experiences and to be like, you know, help these beings
Speaker 3: that we brought into the world.
Speaker 4: But then also the.
Speaker 3: Same time, I really get pissed off when I hear, like,
Speaker 3: you know, a natalist, whether it's because like a political
Speaker 3: policy or like a religious thing or whatever, they're like,
Speaker 3: just have kids, And I'm like, dude, have you seen
Speaker 3: the price of houses? You're telling people to have like
Speaker 3: five kids right now? Like are you kidding me? Where
Speaker 3: they gonna put them? You know, like, you can't you
Speaker 3: can't hold that position when you can't be mad at
Speaker 3: people when there's like clear economic pressures that would make
Speaker 3: it so the being that they bring into this world,
Speaker 3: you know, their kids are going to just have a
Speaker 3: worse life, Like how can you even ask people to
Speaker 3: do that, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I go back and forth on that because
Speaker 1: of this argument, which I feels like a pretty legitimate
Speaker 1: argument to me, of like people like I, like I
Speaker 1: believe that you shouldn't have a child until you're like
Speaker 1: financially ready mm hm. But also it gets when you
Speaker 1: when you kind of like when when when you start
Speaker 1: thinking about all the like outside factors, uh, for for
Speaker 1: which you know a person is in is in poverty
Speaker 1: and financial strengths, of which it's you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of them, it starts to be a thing of like, well,
Speaker 1: is is reproduction like just for the becoming like a
Speaker 1: right reserved for the elite, you know?
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 1: But also but on the same coin, it's like, but
Speaker 1: it still feels shitty to bring a kid into you know,
Speaker 1: the world when you can't like afford to take care
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 4: M hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I guess I can tell you kind of
Speaker 3: like the process that like when we decided was a
Speaker 3: good time for us to have a kid, and it
Speaker 3: was like we were like we were both going to
Speaker 3: school and we were both like we don't even want
Speaker 3: to think about a kid into like we're both done
Speaker 3: with school. And then like we both graduated and like
Speaker 3: I found a job thankfully, you know, like miraculslessly feels
Speaker 3: like sometimes and then we're like, okay, well, we know
Speaker 3: we can like afford to have a kid, like even
Speaker 3: just and the crazy thing about this is just like
Speaker 3: the expense of just bringing the being into the world
Speaker 3: is insane, and then like providing for them throughout their
Speaker 3: whole life is also insane.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: But then you also don't want to just be like, well,
Speaker 3: like only rich people can have kids, you know, like
Speaker 3: money gap it that way, because that's also feels truly crappy.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's definitely one of those things
Speaker 3: where you can do it. I think it's one of
Speaker 3: those things where you can do it in way more
Speaker 3: responsible ways, and you know, there's and you just have
Speaker 3: to get to that point that you feel that you're
Speaker 3: like doing an actual good, like it's never going to
Speaker 3: be perfect, but it's like your best good faith effort
Speaker 3: into like actually where you feel good about it as well,
Speaker 3: you know, And that's kind of where we landed on.
Speaker 3: We're like, you know, we're not making insane money, but
Speaker 3: we could probably like we want to have a kid
Speaker 3: and we can make sure that they have like food
Speaker 3: and a house and you know, pay for the birth
Speaker 3: and all this stuff, and so we were like, we can,
Speaker 3: we can. We think we can do it.
Speaker 1: You know, how old are you?
Speaker 4: Twenty six? Oh?
Speaker 1: Cool man? Cool? How old your daughter?
Speaker 3: She's about a year and a half.
Speaker 1: Cool man? How long you've been with your wife.
Speaker 3: Since twenty twenty one? Five years now? We went to
Speaker 3: the school together. Cool, But we didn't start dating. We
Speaker 3: went to high school together, and we didn't start dating
Speaker 3: until we went to like different colleges and reconnected like
Speaker 3: two years after we left.
Speaker 1: What do you do for work like our hometown or whatever?
Speaker 3: I do web development or a bank?
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, you're like a you're a very normal guy.
Speaker 1: I like to think so, and but yet but you
Speaker 1: also but you know, but you also all all these
Speaker 1: like existential things, like you know, you've kept them in
Speaker 1: mind as you've made these decisions. It sounds mm hmmm,
Speaker 1: and I will some.
Speaker 3: It's some of this is like reflection on the decisions too.
Speaker 3: It's not all like that all this was present during
Speaker 3: the decision, you know, different degrees?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally totally. Are you do you feel happy?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: The only unhappiness. Like the main stress point for unhappiness
Speaker 3: of my life I think right now is like the
Speaker 3: current state of the world.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I mean that's great though, that's good. That
Speaker 1: means that that always says to me that, like you've
Speaker 1: like I feel like people who have a strong disdain
Speaker 1: for like the events of the world outside of themselves
Speaker 1: have like kind of gathered a certain level of peace
Speaker 1: about their own life so that they can start like
Speaker 1: thinking about the world outside of themselves either that or
Speaker 1: there they just are like tinted towards doing that naturally,
Speaker 1: Like that's how their brain is wired. What is it about?
Speaker 1: Tell me more about this. Tell me more about the
Speaker 1: main pain point of your life is a general disdain
Speaker 1: for the world. Tell me more about this general disdain
Speaker 1: for the future of What does that look like for you?
Speaker 3: My daughter's calling for me. We I like switch off
Speaker 3: with my wife whenever she like wants us to swap.
Speaker 3: Who's like laying with her?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you're still doing.
Speaker 1: Can I talk to like kess is your wife? Uh
Speaker 1: she's tired?
Speaker 3: Maybe well she just doesn't know like I even texted you,
Speaker 3: or she has.
Speaker 1: No context for the conversation. That you would throw her
Speaker 1: into No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would just have to check with her first.
Speaker 4: So and yeah.
Speaker 3: So, but I can text you when I when my
Speaker 3: daughter's asleep, and if you're still taking calls, maybe we
Speaker 3: can call back or whatever.
Speaker 1: I can't promise anything other than this current moment, but
Speaker 1: I have enjoyed talking to you. I wish we could
Speaker 1: to talk to more. But I feel like we got
Speaker 1: a good picture of her life. I'm glad you shared
Speaker 1: that with us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for calling. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: All right, man, you take care. Okay, what a good dude?
Speaker 4: Oh? Hello, Uh who is that? Who's facient?
Speaker 1: Oh? This is uh the Gecko guy.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I can't believe it. I can't believe
Speaker 4: you're calling him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, you texted me and you said feel free
Speaker 1: to call any time. I am unemployed and have nothing
Speaker 1: going on in my life. And I was like, perfect,
Speaker 1: I need to I need to call somebody so we
Speaker 1: can do a podcast together. You said you texted me
Speaker 1: and said, I am a Brazilian illegal immigrant in Portugal.
Speaker 1: My wife sold the wedding ring I bought for her
Speaker 1: to pay for her abortion after our divorce.
Speaker 4: Okay, let me start you right there? Uh, that was
Speaker 4: a lie. Okay, I want to say that so you
Speaker 4: would call me really.
Speaker 1: Well, what the dude? Fuck you? Why would you? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's okay, what that's such a what part? Okay, dude,
Speaker 1: hold on, wait, shut up for a second. I am
Speaker 1: a Brazilian illegal immigrant in Portugal. My wife sold the
Speaker 1: wedding wing I brought for her to pay for her
Speaker 1: abortion after our divorce. You brought like there's an infinite
Speaker 1: amount of things in that sentence for you to have
Speaker 1: lied about. How much is that all? Is it one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of liear? Are you doing a voice right now?
Speaker 1: Are you like a like dumb American guy in Philadelphia?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Who? What's the truth?
Speaker 4: The truth is I am an illegal immigrant, Okay, I
Speaker 4: do live in Portugal and I'm a Presilian guy. The
Speaker 4: whole story I stand was actually a writing prompt, uh
Speaker 4: from my favorite author, actually, Chock Polinik. You know, uh
Speaker 4: you must be mean yeah yeah, yeah, Like he has
Speaker 4: a book, a book on writing called consider This, and
Speaker 4: you know this is one of his writing prompts.
Speaker 1: Like okay, so the writing prompt, the writing prompt is, uh,
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that this guy has a work
Speaker 1: book section of his novel and there's just there's just
Speaker 1: a word. The prompt is lie and it's just a
Speaker 1: bunch of lines underneath it. And you that's that's all
Speaker 1: the prompt is.
Speaker 4: It's something like this. The prompt is actually to have
Speaker 4: an engaging uh you know, an engaging apprentise, right like
Speaker 4: for example, Uh another prompt from his book one that
Speaker 4: you know he has like some exercises. By the way,
Speaker 4: this book I'm talking about is not a novel. He
Speaker 4: published lovelice before like fight Look, hold.
Speaker 1: On, hold on, I I I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about this, uh, this book. I want to talk about you.
Speaker 1: I want to know the truth. You said I am.
Speaker 1: You said I am unemployed and have nothing going on
Speaker 1: in my life? Is that true?
Speaker 4: That is true? That is true?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. So that's so, that's the truth that
Speaker 1: we're working with. That is the initial reason that I
Speaker 1: called you. So as so, as long as that's true,
Speaker 1: this call can continue as it was intended.
Speaker 4: Well, you have lost your truth. I hope to gain
Speaker 4: it back, and.
Speaker 1: Perhaps perhaps you will ever so slowly. Are you actually
Speaker 1: in Portugal? Are you actually in Portugal?
Speaker 4: In Portugal? Yes, I've been living here for the list
Speaker 4: three years more or less.
Speaker 1: Where in Brazil you are from.
Speaker 4: I'm from Brazil, from a state called Goyas, So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'd say to leave there because there was nothing going
Speaker 4: on over there, so why not why not try something
Speaker 4: new over here? So I did. Then does in the beginning.
Speaker 4: But life is done slowly but surely getting better. I
Speaker 4: was working in a hotel. Yeah, it was a very
Speaker 4: nice experience actually, but unfortunately got fired and yet no
Speaker 4: no one employed, getting unemployment in peneds and you know,
Speaker 4: trying to find out what to do with life. It
Speaker 4: was yeah, I don't know, man, this is weird.
Speaker 1: Life is weird as hell. Life as weird as hell.
Speaker 1: What do you think you're going to do with life?
Speaker 4: That is very a very interesting question, you know. Being
Speaker 4: unemployed for so long, like I've been unemployed ever since
Speaker 4: the January, has been giving me a lot of time
Speaker 4: to think about things. And of course, uh after, I
Speaker 4: don't know, man, It's it's very complicated because I don't
Speaker 4: really know what I want. I don't really know what
Speaker 4: I want. Like it's actually, you know, it's very it's
Speaker 4: very it's very complicated because I think you called me
Speaker 4: at a very bad time because I was kind of sleeping,
Speaker 4: and yeah, honestly, I think, well, there.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you. I'm surprised that you sleep so well
Speaker 1: sending all these lies out into the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe maybe what's your name? What's your flier? I
Speaker 4: think that I fucked this one up, and I think,
Speaker 4: what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Hold on, what do you mean you fucked first of
Speaker 1: what's your name again? What's your name?
Speaker 4: My name is whole thing? Oh, you in Aslaio. I
Speaker 4: don't know what I would seeking a bus in a
Speaker 4: syntheses text.
Speaker 1: That's okay. I don't care. Listen, what's your name? Can
Speaker 1: you say your name? Please? I'm gonna die if you
Speaker 1: don't say your name right now. My name's Jose, Jose, Jose. Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't care that you lied to me. I don't
Speaker 1: care what you sent before. I you you're a you
Speaker 1: are in Brazil right now, we're on the fucking phone.
Speaker 1: We're together in this very moment, and this very moment
Speaker 1: is all I give a fuck about. I already forgot
Speaker 1: your name, God damn it, Jose, j Jose, and you're
Speaker 1: trying to forget what to do with your life, if
Speaker 1: you could do if if you could do anything on
Speaker 1: the planet, what would it be.
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, loo Uh, this this call is really
Speaker 4: not going you know how I was expecting it to go.
Speaker 1: I just told you, Jose, Jose, Jose, you're not listening
Speaker 1: to me. Jose, you gotta listen Jose, Jose, Jose are
Speaker 1: you listening to me right now? I am listening to Jose.
Speaker 1: I need you to abandon immediately any idea of this
Speaker 1: call having a way that it was supposed to go,
Speaker 1: and I need you to instead be in the moments
Speaker 1: of where it is.
Speaker 4: Okay, No, here's the saying, liar. I actually have plans
Speaker 4: I have I have things to do. But I guess
Speaker 4: I just didn't come out like I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 4: you know, honestly, this call is just not going to work.
Speaker 4: I'm very sorry. If you could include this in the podcast,
Speaker 4: I think wait.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait hold first first, hold on, mhm uh huh,
Speaker 1: why what are you talking about? We didn't even talk
Speaker 1: about anything. I've just been yelling at you.
Speaker 4: You know. Uh, I just got to the feeling if
Speaker 4: you want to call me tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Hold on. First of all, Jose, I'm totally putting this
Speaker 1: in the podcast. There's no if you had if you listen,
Speaker 1: if you had told me a bunch of if you
Speaker 1: had told me a bunch of really sensitive information about yourself,
Speaker 1: and then afterwards you were like, hey, man, listen, I
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable putting in the podcast, Like, well, I
Speaker 1: then then I that'd be one thing. But this is you.
Speaker 1: You told me, you told me a lie. What do
Speaker 1: you what?
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Why are you Why are you freaking
Speaker 1: out right now? What's the problem, Jose. I'm with you
Speaker 1: in this moment. Jose.
Speaker 4: It's not that, Lyle. It's just that I'm not in
Speaker 4: the right state right now. I'm not in the right
Speaker 4: mind space to really have this conversation.
Speaker 1: I have many things, but Jose, Jose, I'm gonna story.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep yelling. I'm so don't. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be the whole conversation. I'm gonna we're gonna, We're gonna okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get on the same wave. Like, Jose, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, I want you to abandon the idea, like
Speaker 1: even what you just said, you were like I am
Speaker 1: not in the right mind space. There is no right
Speaker 1: mind there's no.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 1: There is no right headspace there. You're acting like there's
Speaker 1: a way this is supposed to go. This is complete chaos.
Speaker 1: This is nothing. This is the conversation, the conversation we're
Speaker 1: having right now, Jose, You've.
Speaker 4: Been talking for ten minutes, and everything that's been happening
Speaker 4: in those ten minutes it's just me being fucking neurotic
Speaker 4: because I am in is there a neurotic spot in
Speaker 4: my life right now? And I had many beautiful things
Speaker 4: to talk about, like about life, about my experience as
Speaker 4: a person, but.
Speaker 1: That's what But you're talking about your experience as a
Speaker 1: person right now. What are you talking about? You keep
Speaker 1: thinking that the thing is no, I'm just no. I understand.
Speaker 1: You keep thinking that there's a thing that's outside of
Speaker 1: the thing that is. The thing we're doing right now
Speaker 1: is the thing.
Speaker 4: This is not the impression I want to leave people
Speaker 4: with about myself. I am not neurotic like this. I
Speaker 4: am not this personally. I'm different. I'm different than this. Okay,
Speaker 4: you just called me a very bad time. I'm very sorry, Jose.
Speaker 1: I'm so Jose, Hose, do you would least kind of
Speaker 1: understand what do you at least kind of understand what
Speaker 1: I am trying to say to you know, Oh.
Speaker 4: You understand what you're trying to say. You want to
Speaker 4: get real with me. You want to talk about life.
Speaker 4: But no, that's not what.
Speaker 1: I that's Jose. No, you don't understand what I'm saying
Speaker 1: at all. I'm so I'm sorry. I'm so frustrated, right, Jose, Jose,
Speaker 1: Jose's not to be sorry about. Jose. Let's just exist,
Speaker 1: you know, Jose, I'm gonna say fu you know what, Jose?
Speaker 1: All right? You know, Jose, I'm gonna I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: this for you right now, Okay, Jose. Do you know
Speaker 1: how in podcasts are you can you hear me? Are
Speaker 1: you with me?
Speaker 4: Jose? I can hear you? Do?
Speaker 1: Do you know how in podcasts you're supposed to like
Speaker 1: talk and make sounds and then the podcast and then
Speaker 1: people hear it. Right? You know what I'm gonna do, Jose,
Speaker 1: That's what you're supposed to do in podcasts. That's my
Speaker 1: that's my idea of how a podcast is supposed to go.
Speaker 1: You know what I want to do instaid Jose. Uh,
Speaker 1: Let's let's be let's Jose, Jose, We're gonna be silent.
Speaker 1: We're gonna exist on the phone together in silence for
Speaker 1: two minutes. Okay, Okay, I'm gonna all right at the end, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sit inside. I don't see. I'm not thinking
Speaker 1: that this is supposed to go right way. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is just what it is. Because if I showed, like
Speaker 1: if I go on the Joe Rogan experience, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, two minutes of silence. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do two minutes of silence on this podcast because there's
Speaker 1: no there's no right way for this conversation to go. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, at the end, all right, I'm gonna start.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start now.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I appreciate the in systems night.
Speaker 1: No Jose, Wait, Jose, Hoose, we're gonna do two minutes
Speaker 1: of silence. Okay, Okay, here.
Speaker 5: Ms Okay, we did it.
Speaker 4: I really, I really appreciate that you're trying to get
Speaker 4: through to me. I get to the core of this
Speaker 4: and so.
Speaker 1: A conversation, right, Jose, Jose, can you hear me?
Speaker 4: I could hear you.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to do anything, Jose I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to exist, or you're you're on the phone with a
Speaker 1: gecko right now. You're on the phone with a gecko
Speaker 1: right now. That's all. This has to be everything. I
Speaker 1: want you to understand this, and I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think you understand this. I'm gonna try one more
Speaker 1: time to get you to understand this. Okay, this show,
Speaker 1: these calls, they are about and this. Honestly, you know,
Speaker 1: when I you know what, when I first started doing this,
Speaker 1: I think I'm actually thinking, you're actually making me think
Speaker 1: a lot about myself, Jose. You actually make me think
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm gonna talk about me if you don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about let's talk about you're making me
Speaker 1: think a lot about myself. You're making me think a
Speaker 1: lot about myself, Jose, because I've been I've gotten too
Speaker 1: into like, oh, let's talk about this interesting thing. It
Speaker 1: depends on the day, like, Hey, what do you want
Speaker 1: to talk about? And you know, when I first started
Speaker 1: doing this, the whole the whole show is just you're
Speaker 1: on the phone with a gecko. That's it. That's the show.
Speaker 1: There's no other thing. And that's kind of been the
Speaker 1: whole point of the whole thing, the whole time. But
Speaker 1: still the point of this phone call was that you
Speaker 1: were on the phone with a gecko, and that has
Speaker 1: been that's been achieved. That's done. Let's cross off the list. Okay.
Speaker 1: So that was the only expectation that there was to
Speaker 1: be had, was that there was a guy who was
Speaker 1: going to talk to a get call on the phone,
Speaker 1: and so all expectations of this call have been met.
Speaker 1: So that's it.
Speaker 4: I see, I see, I mean, I see. I am
Speaker 4: not currently conflicted about much in my life. Of course,
Speaker 4: some unemployed. But when I sent those texts, there were
Speaker 4: things I really want to talk about, but those things
Speaker 4: at this point, at two story moment are not as
Speaker 4: important right now. I'm just really existing, you know, Yes,
Speaker 4: you could talk about anything.
Speaker 1: Also, Jose, Jose also also also those texts were lies?
Speaker 1: What the Jose sait Jose, Dude, Jose, you're you're you
Speaker 1: were talking just now as if you like you were
Speaker 1: talking just now, as if the thing you texted me
Speaker 1: was real. You were like, oh that lie, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was in a position to tell you about my
Speaker 1: wife spending my wedding ran money on her abortion. But
Speaker 1: that's too heavy to talk about right now that what
Speaker 1: that didn't even happen. It's a lie. It's a lie, jose.
Speaker 4: H. You hear the story I was telling myself when
Speaker 4: I saynd that that you know I'm pro seeing and
Speaker 4: then the only way I can move in life is
Speaker 4: by hustling and skinning. You know, that's there's just you know,
Speaker 4: there's just how how I that's how I got into
Speaker 4: this country in the first place.
Speaker 1: That's not a scheme, that's not that's a lot that's
Speaker 1: not It's.
Speaker 4: A very awnsome thing to do, exactly, And that's why
Speaker 4: I regret. That's why I regret it. And you know,
Speaker 4: I sort a lot of it into find information in
Speaker 4: the beginning, and I that's why I was so adamant
Speaker 4: that you know, let's cancel this call, please are include
Speaker 4: it because I regret. I regret. I don't know what
Speaker 4: I was thinking when I send the text. I just
Speaker 4: really want to regret.
Speaker 1: Regret is not regrets not a useful emotion to have.
Speaker 1: I think, I think an analyzing behavior and keep it
Speaker 1: like moving forward. I think reflection, reflection and changing. Of
Speaker 1: course it's useful, but like the regret, the shame of
Speaker 1: regret is kind of like a self flagellating.
Speaker 4: I mean, we can analyze that lie as a behavior pattern, really, like,
Speaker 4: I guess that would be a valid angle to really
Speaker 4: analyze it, because I think it applies to many things.
Speaker 4: But I was living my life and you know what
Speaker 4: even inspired me to do such a thing, you know,
Speaker 4: to trick you into calling me by having an absolude
Speaker 4: prentice ah. And I don't know, man, Like being resilient
Speaker 4: is like you're born clandestine, right, you kind of have
Speaker 4: to you know, trick people constantly and really try to
Speaker 4: get ahead because you're never getting ahead normally. Like if
Speaker 4: I never if I never leave the country to try,
Speaker 4: you know, t realize in Portugal, I would probably have
Speaker 4: never achieved anything. And it's really sad. It's really sad
Speaker 4: that presue a contry that kind of smaters you in
Speaker 4: the womb. I suppose it's a country that never was
Speaker 4: allowed to really develop itself and you know, become a saying.
Speaker 4: So being Brazilian, it's really sad. You're kind of SENI
Speaker 4: in this existential limbo. And I don't know, man, I
Speaker 4: guess it made me a very bad person, But you
Speaker 4: have to get a bad person in order to survive.
Speaker 4: I wish I did not have to be like this.
Speaker 4: As you can see, I'm very ashamed of what I did.
Speaker 4: I'd be glad what I did. But that's the thing, man,
Speaker 4: I mean, what can you do when you don't have
Speaker 4: the same opportunities as anyone else?
Speaker 1: Like it's when you're smother.
Speaker 4: Than the womb, more or less you allowed to grow
Speaker 4: you never you never had any bridges and nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: There's something so funny.
Speaker 4: Never had a strong family.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's something so funny about you
Speaker 1: texting a fake story into the Therapy Get podcast and
Speaker 1: then going you gotta be a schemer to survive in
Speaker 1: this planet.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it's very true. It's very
Speaker 4: true when er from the twit third world. But here's
Speaker 4: the thing, man, I didn't LIS's do nothing but struggle, honestly,
Speaker 4: Like all this work, the uncertainty of the next day check,
Speaker 4: and I don't know when when it is gonna end,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if it's ever gonna change.
Speaker 4: I don't know it's you know, I'm not saying class
Speaker 4: as sanction.
Speaker 3: But you know, having a little a little more release,
Speaker 3: having my my I don't know. I think my curves
Speaker 3: a little bit less tight. I suppose. I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know when it's gonna end.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the suture looks like. For me,
Speaker 3: looks like a lot of a lot of work and
Speaker 3: more work. Very dissillusioned about life. Maybe you can have
Speaker 3: some insight about it.
Speaker 1: Oh geez I, I you know what. I'm actually gonna
Speaker 1: take a take a piece from your playbook, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you that I do have thoughts about that.
Speaker 1: But because it's eleven PM and I'm deep in a
Speaker 1: vivance crash where my UH dopamine and norah pronephyrine are
Speaker 1: very low, my stress levels are very high. I I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a piece out of your playbook. I am
Speaker 1: in not the right mindset to talk about that because
Speaker 1: I'm inclined.
Speaker 5: To agree with you.
Speaker 4: M M.
Speaker 1: But if I were in a better mood, I would
Speaker 1: have different thoughts about life. But Jose, yes, you did it.
Speaker 1: We had you got the call. We did, We did
Speaker 1: whatever we were supposed to do here.
Speaker 4: I suppose.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say? Is there
Speaker 1: anything else you want to say to the people of
Speaker 1: the computer before we go, Jose.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you calling me. I'm sorry for tricking you,
Speaker 4: and you should can please please edit the beginning of
Speaker 4: this call to.
Speaker 1: Really, I'm not editing a single thing.
Speaker 4: Of some identifying information there.
Speaker 1: What do you wait? What identifying what? Identifying information?
Speaker 4: What did?
Speaker 1: What did you say?
Speaker 4: Like where I'm from in Brazil specistically my interest because
Speaker 4: you know, around my friends, I talk about my favorite
Speaker 4: altar all the time, and that's very identifiable. Children, So
Speaker 4: if if you could just you.
Speaker 1: Know, it's just just the fact that you're Brazilian.
Speaker 4: No, the fact that I'm Brazilian and I'm very into
Speaker 4: Chuck's polony, Like that's a red flag that my friends
Speaker 4: are going to snow for a mile away.
Speaker 1: Dude, I can't. How is anyone going to identify How
Speaker 1: is anyone gonna identify you that you're Brazilian into Chuck?
Speaker 1: You're not?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm going to get clowned and marked on
Speaker 4: my little my little circle like they do it to
Speaker 4: this podcast. It.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not gonna edit this. All you said.
Speaker 1: All you said was that you're a Brazilian and you
Speaker 1: like this book.
Speaker 4: Oh man, oh man, you know what, Lyle, Yeah, j.
Speaker 1: Is not even Jose is not your real name?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: No, okay, I'm not editing. I'm not editing this. You
Speaker 1: said you're Brazilian. You like a book that's too much
Speaker 1: work to edit? If yousa what's from?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, you know what, Lyle, you know what O get.
Speaker 4: Here's what here, here's what, here's where I released this,
Speaker 4: said earlier in the call, regret it is not a
Speaker 4: youth for information. You know what, I'll buy this bullet man,
Speaker 4: post it as it is. And here's the thing. Maybe
Speaker 4: when your vinvents crash out, maybe Pat and you listen
Speaker 4: to this call again, maybe in a better mood, maybe
Speaker 4: you have this ideas. But if if later you look
Speaker 4: at this, you're I said now I'm going to post
Speaker 4: it as it is, then be it Nan, you're you
Speaker 4: know this.
Speaker 1: I'm putting this episode on a thing in less than
Speaker 1: twelve hours. This is this is People will listen to
Speaker 1: this and and and and you know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: People are gonna run, People are gonna make spreadsheets, cross
Speaker 1: referencing bookstores where Chuck whatever his name is, and a
Speaker 1: Brazilian God. People are going to find out who you
Speaker 1: are based on those two heavily identifying tidbits of information
Speaker 1: that you dropped, that you are one of hold on,
Speaker 1: what's the population of Brazil? It's literally one of the
Speaker 1: most popular plays in the world. Okay, hold on, okay,
Speaker 1: you are okay, all right, You've been narrowed down out
Speaker 1: of two hundred and twelve million people. So if someone
Speaker 1: wants to find you, you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 4: You're a very You're you're a very full Thank you
Speaker 4: very much for this conversation. Thanks for man, Thanks for
Speaker 4: keeping this conversation even after you know I lie to you,
Speaker 4: man like, yeah, I think things. Did I earn your
Speaker 4: truth back even a little bit? I guess that was
Speaker 4: the objective. Maybe I didn't. That doesn't matter anyways, think
Speaker 4: it very much, Lyle. I don't think there's anything else
Speaker 4: we can really do. Schools over here, Good.
Speaker 1: Luck, huse, I'll see you around the universe.
Speaker 4: You're wrong, Bid.
Speaker 1: That was Jose. He's a Brazilian that likes Chuck Norriska Barry.
Speaker 1: I think is that the guy who created Two and
Speaker 1: a half Men. He's a Brazilian that likes chuck e cheese.
Speaker 1: He's just like us. Hello. Hello is this I actually
Speaker 1: don't know your name? Hello? What's up? What's your name?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm gonna give you a fake name. My fake
Speaker 2: name is Michael.
Speaker 1: Michael. What's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man? I just moved back in with my parents.
Speaker 1: How's that going?
Speaker 2: It's going pretty good? Actually?
Speaker 1: Do you have a good relationship with them?
Speaker 4: Yep? I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Do they are good parents?
Speaker 1: What were you doing before you moved back in with
Speaker 1: your parents?
Speaker 2: I just completed my first year of art school.
Speaker 1: Oh did you learn anything?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 1: Really, you didn't learn anything.
Speaker 2: Well, I learned some stuff, but you know, I learned
Speaker 2: more about people than I did in my classes, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Tell me more? What did you learn about people?
Speaker 2: I learned about how most people go to college because
Speaker 2: of their parents and not because you know, they actually
Speaker 2: want to, of course, But you know, I went to
Speaker 2: art school because, you know, my grandparents told me to go.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, and I'm considering, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: not doing it for four years because it's kind of
Speaker 2: a scam. But you know, I'm not on it.
Speaker 1: Here's what well, here's this is all it has always
Speaker 1: been my position. So, okay, so your grandparents said that
Speaker 1: you should go. Are they paying for it?
Speaker 2: They are paying for it, so I'm probably gonna keep going, Okay.
Speaker 1: My position, My position is that if you have to
Speaker 1: take out any loans to go to art school, you
Speaker 1: should totally not do it. But if your grandparents want
Speaker 1: you to go and they want to pay for it,
Speaker 1: you should totally do it the whole time. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get it, No, because there's the thing like it like
Speaker 1: if you can it if someone else is willing to
Speaker 1: like front that for you, and like in their eyes,
Speaker 1: like they want it for you, they think it would
Speaker 1: be good for you, especially if it's something it sounds like,
Speaker 1: I assume like you want it to go to art school, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's it doesn't sound like it's a it's a
Speaker 1: thing where like you know, it's the you're being forced
Speaker 1: to do something you don't want to do, Like it
Speaker 1: sounds like you want to do it. It's like they're
Speaker 1: sending it to med school or some shit.
Speaker 2: This is true because I have a friend who's going
Speaker 2: to be a doctor and he has to pay for
Speaker 2: it all by himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but that's not a terrible idea for him
Speaker 1: as much of a terrible idea. It would be a
Speaker 1: terrible idea for you to go to art school and
Speaker 1: pay for it. But the thing is, and here's the thing,
Speaker 1: right because if if you're if your grandparents are wanting
Speaker 1: to pay for it, now you just get to how
Speaker 1: old are you?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm only eighteen.
Speaker 1: See this is perfect because now for like four years
Speaker 1: you can kind of just dick around and like experiment
Speaker 1: with You get like a little safety bed, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You get a little like four years
Speaker 1: of like let me like meet people and fuck around
Speaker 1: and make ship and kind of like discover myself before
Speaker 1: it's time to figure out how to make money. So
Speaker 1: it is a positive thing.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: It is a legit gift. Your grandparents are your grandparents
Speaker 1: aren't really sending you to college. Your grandparents are giving
Speaker 1: you four years to dick around and sort of figure
Speaker 1: out who you are and what you want to do.
Speaker 1: And that is helpful. But if you have to pay,
Speaker 1: if you have to, there's easier ways to do that
Speaker 1: than paying for it out of pocket. But again, if
Speaker 1: your parents wanted to pay for it, it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a good it's a good deal. Well, so you're
Speaker 1: learning about people? What? Uh? Okay? What made you want
Speaker 1: to go to at school?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I just like drawing pictures.
Speaker 1: And sorry, they're gonna stop there, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well it's more than just drawing pictures, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But like, if you have a talent, you're
Speaker 2: told to capitalize on it. So and I didn't want
Speaker 2: to take classes I didn't care about I wanted to
Speaker 2: take classes about drawing pictures.
Speaker 1: What do you like to draw pictures of?
Speaker 2: I like to draw pictures of people, of animals, of like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, just stuff.
Speaker 3: I like whatever.
Speaker 2: I feel, Like, what.
Speaker 1: Do you hope to do for the future.
Speaker 2: I just want to like be happy, that's all I want.
Speaker 1: What do you think would make you happy?
Speaker 2: I think I want to make an enough money to
Speaker 2: live in, you know, maybe like a one bedroom apartment.
Speaker 2: I think that's good enough for me until I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, I want to say twenty, because dude, I'm
Speaker 2: only eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: You want to make enough money to live in a
Speaker 1: one bedroom apartment until you're twenty.
Speaker 2: Dude, I like have no plans for the future. I
Speaker 2: just plan to go to art school and then that
Speaker 2: doesn't work out, I'll go somewhere else. I'll like be Okay,
Speaker 2: I work at a noodle restaurant. I can be a
Speaker 2: noodle cooker.
Speaker 1: You'd be happy to be a noodle cooker.
Speaker 2: I am a noodle cooker. I work for a big
Speaker 2: noodle restaurant. Dude, I'm not lying to I swear. I
Speaker 2: texted you a lot of times, and I deleted the
Speaker 2: text because it sounds like I was lying. But I
Speaker 2: wasn't lying, because.
Speaker 1: I don't I if you were going to lie about
Speaker 1: doing something, I would hope it would be I mean,
Speaker 1: I believe that you're a noodle cooker. I believe that
Speaker 1: you work at a restaurant and you cook noodles. It's
Speaker 1: not a crazy thing to say. So you're telling me
Speaker 1: that you would be happy continuing to cook noodles indefinitely.
Speaker 2: I could see myself cooking noodles for to get myself
Speaker 2: through college, to be honest.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 1: What's your name again? My name is Michael, Michael Michael.
Speaker 1: Everything about your demeanor so far indicates to me that
Speaker 1: I think you're going to be fine.
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to be fine too, Like I think.
Speaker 1: You're going to be fine. Lucky, said my friend.
Speaker 2: And I know I wouldn't want to be a doctor,
Speaker 2: so you know, but I'll be I'll be a guy
Speaker 2: on the phone, you know, cooking noodles and drawing pictures.
Speaker 1: Hear me, Oh, I can hear you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's all. I think that's all I
Speaker 2: have to say, mister Gecko.
Speaker 1: All right, man, well yeah, I'm rooting for you. I think, uh,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be fine. Whatever you end up doing.
Speaker 1: Drawing pictures, eating noodles, making noodles, doing them both. I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna be fine. Mister Gheto.
Speaker 1: You gotta really you think so? You think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, you get to go to so many cool
Speaker 2: places that I wish I could get to go to.
Speaker 1: You'll get to go to. Don't worry, you'll get to
Speaker 1: go to them. Where do you want to go? Let's
Speaker 1: talk about this real quick. Where do you want to go?
Speaker 2: I want to go to Thailand first, Okay, I want
Speaker 2: to go I don't know, just anywhere else. I'll go anywhere?
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, I mean, don't give me your address, yeah, vaguely?
Speaker 1: Where do you live? I am curious.
Speaker 2: I live in the Midwest area.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you live near a major city or yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you live near a major city or do you
Speaker 1: live near like in the middle of kind of nowhere.
Speaker 2: I come from the middle of nowhere, but I go
Speaker 2: to school and a not I go to school somewhere.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, you're in the Midwest. Have you ever left
Speaker 1: the Midwest?
Speaker 2: Yes, I have left the Midwest, but you know, the
Speaker 2: farthest I've ever gone was Canada. And you know, Canada's
Speaker 2: pretty cool, but like I would not live in Canada.
Speaker 2: No hate to Canada.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you got a lot of places to go,
Speaker 1: uh go check out, should you want to check them out?
Speaker 1: That's what's exciting, man, That truly, that's what like, uh
Speaker 1: not to say I'm like over it or anything, but like, fuck,
Speaker 1: you know that nothing beats like the first time you
Speaker 1: get to go to certain places.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like exploring the map, you know what I
Speaker 2: mean exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like going to Japan for the first time,
Speaker 1: going to Europe for first time, seeing all the all
Speaker 1: the all the places in America you've never seen for
Speaker 1: the first time. Like it's kind of it's a little
Speaker 1: bit like doing MDMA, where it's like the first nothing
Speaker 1: ever beats the first time.
Speaker 2: I think I'm a little too young to do that one.
Speaker 2: Not going to do that one.
Speaker 1: No, I am not suggesting at all that you do MDMA.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's good to travel like I remember,
Speaker 1: fucking yeah, the first times. I would like solo travel
Speaker 1: and like Europe and shit like it. Just with the
Speaker 1: first time when it's all very like novel and cool,
Speaker 1: it's I'm nostalgic for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely gonna go in the future
Speaker 2: when I can, but you know, I'm kind of stuck
Speaker 2: working my job at the noodle place.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, you'll get there. I I again, I have
Speaker 1: no thoughts whatsoever that anything.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 1: I think You're gonna be fine. You'll get to go
Speaker 1: to places, you get to draw plent I believe in
Speaker 1: your life you're gonna get to go many places, You're
Speaker 1: gonna draw many pictures, You're gonna make many noodles. The world.
Speaker 4: Will.
Speaker 1: We'll bat you around a little bits, as it does
Speaker 1: to us all, but I believe that you have a
Speaker 1: good outer shell to withstand the battery.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is there anything else?
Speaker 1: Please go please?
Speaker 4: Is that.
Speaker 2: On the top floor of my school? Uh there's a
Speaker 2: student with a post review and it's signed and you're
Speaker 2: not and you're like, you're not naked, but you're not
Speaker 2: wearing the full Get Go costume. And I thought that
Speaker 2: was pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, is it the one where I'm like in
Speaker 1: a in a bikini.
Speaker 2: You're lifting a like a little blue weight.
Speaker 1: I think I'm very uncomfortable that that is posted up
Speaker 1: at a high school somewhere.
Speaker 2: It's not a high school. I'm the I just I
Speaker 2: graduated from high school.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, bro, Okay this was that. This is at
Speaker 1: the art school. Yes, okay, all right, that's that's I
Speaker 1: have the summer.
Speaker 2: I don't want to dogs myself, so but I do
Speaker 2: have a summer birthday. So you know, I'm kind of young.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of little, but you know, I like listening
Speaker 2: to people talk to the gecko on the phone. I've
Speaker 2: been doing it since I was very young.
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 2: My name is Michael.
Speaker 1: Michael.
Speaker 2: Good luck, Michael, Thanks Geck.
Speaker 1: Go see you in the universe. I'll see you, Michael.
Speaker 1: Michael's going to be all right, Michael's going to be
Speaker 1: just fine. Okay, what's up?
Speaker 4: Man? How much? Man? Wait?
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 4: Chris?
Speaker 1: Chris Chris. From the beginning, I told you that we
Speaker 1: might know. I told you that we might not ever
Speaker 1: talk again, and I meant it in that moment, but
Speaker 1: I thought it would be kind of fun to have
Speaker 1: you be the first caller and then have it end
Speaker 1: like that, and then have it and then we'll end
Speaker 1: the episode with you again.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, honored, that's crazy. And I was told I
Speaker 3: was willing to accept that shake. I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, I had my chance. I honestly, I was
Speaker 3: satisfied with the amount of time I was able to
Speaker 3: talk to you, and you know, but this is great.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to be back.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's wrap this up in the next ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Why are you concerned about the greater fate of the universe?
Speaker 1: Is that's right? That's how we left off last time.
Speaker 4: I believe, Yeah, like the.
Speaker 3: Basically like I kind of feel like my immediate surroundings
Speaker 3: are taken care of, but then the external stuff is
Speaker 3: what it's harder to feel comfortable and good about, you know,
Speaker 3: like feel security.
Speaker 4: From you know, m.
Speaker 1: Such as such as what.
Speaker 3: Oh, mostly just like the like political stuff, some local
Speaker 3: legislation stuff I mentioned earlier. I work like with programming,
Speaker 3: and you know, that's like the type thing is like
Speaker 3: a bunch of people being laid off from it. And
Speaker 3: so I'm like, well, I kind of got like the
Speaker 3: bachelors and this, So I would really appreciate it if
Speaker 3: you didn't like take my money away from me, you know,
Speaker 3: like my job, you know, and so but like that's
Speaker 3: all kind of above out and outside of my immediate
Speaker 3: control in like a big scheme way. And so that's
Speaker 3: where like a lot of the anxiety and fears quote
Speaker 3: unquote you know come from hm hmm. If that make sense.
Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. Yes, it makes sense
Speaker 1: that you are nervous about the future of the planet,
Speaker 1: but you have it. I don't know, I've gone on
Speaker 1: this fucking spiel a ton on this podcast about like
Speaker 1: unprecedentedness is extremely precedented, We've only ever lived in unprecedented
Speaker 1: times type of shit. Yeah, And I'm sorry, I do
Speaker 1: genuinely dislike when people say that, like like people get
Speaker 1: really anxious about like I mean, we have like you know,
Speaker 1: whatever Trump and fucking war and fucking AI Like yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of crazy stuff, but like bro that,
Speaker 1: like we had World War Two, we had like less
Speaker 1: less than a hundred years ago, the world was at war,
Speaker 1: and yeah, the Hitler doing a bunch of crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: People America had a civil war. There has been industrial
Speaker 1: revolutions for fucking centuries upon centuries. There's been giant there's
Speaker 1: been giant plagues and massive fucking slaughterings, and like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like none of this none of people might
Speaker 1: shut on me for it, but I'll stand my ground
Speaker 1: on I think none of this ship is like new
Speaker 1: you know us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like and like people have obviously gotten
Speaker 3: through it, and that doesn't mean just because you they
Speaker 3: got through it doesn't mean like it was fun to
Speaker 3: get yeah, you know what I mean, and came out
Speaker 3: the other end better, uh, or like the outcome was better.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily they came out the other end of like
Speaker 3: the struggle better, you know. But I think one of
Speaker 3: the ways I'm dealing with it is like that's a
Speaker 3: good realization to be like, look, the nice thing is,
Speaker 3: I guess is what I'm trying to get at. It's
Speaker 3: like I'm not the only one film in this way
Speaker 3: you know, and so there's like some form of community
Speaker 3: and being like, hey, can we like do anything about this,
Speaker 3: like can we change this? Like what can I do
Speaker 3: to alleviate personal anxieties about things that fills out of
Speaker 3: your control? And so I've been getting and what I've
Speaker 3: decided to do is to like try and do something
Speaker 3: at like a local municipal level so I can like
Speaker 3: try and fix the things around me that I can
Speaker 3: actually have more vision into and like go to city
Speaker 3: council meetings and stuff, and that has helped.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I also just think, like I also just think, like, okay, back,
Speaker 1: all right, argument for natalism m hm. And because the
Speaker 1: first time I called you, way back when all those
Speaker 1: many minutes ago, I was going on the whole nihilistic
Speaker 1: fucking thing about raising a kid to stuff forever, I
Speaker 1: think what, okay, pro natalism argument. I think one of
Speaker 1: the best things that you can do for a nailing world,
Speaker 1: should you be in the position to do it, actually,
Speaker 1: is to like have a kid and like give them
Speaker 1: a good life and teach them like good values and shit,
Speaker 1: so that they can go on to like be positive
Speaker 1: productive members of society and have positive productive lives. Because
Speaker 1: if human because right, because we're because we're worried about
Speaker 1: the existential threats of the universe that cause mass human suffering.
Speaker 1: But mass human suffering, but human suffering as like a cohesive,
Speaker 1: all encompassing thing is built up of, you know, all
Speaker 1: of the individual humans that exist on Earth. And your
Speaker 1: daughter is one of the individual humans that exist on Earth,
Speaker 1: as are you one of the individual humans they exist
Speaker 1: on Earth. So to the degree in which you can
Speaker 1: alleviate your own suffering and alleviate your daughter's suffering and
Speaker 1: create a good life for her, you are contributing in
Speaker 1: what I believe to be a substantial way to alleviating
Speaker 1: the mass human suffering of the entire Earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's like a it's like flipping
Speaker 3: like the one big Like a lot of people who
Speaker 3: are like pronated lists, they seem also really like enamored,
Speaker 3: enamored and obsessed with like this idea of like leaving
Speaker 3: behind a legacy. So it's like they're like but like
Speaker 3: in a really gross way that you see from like
Speaker 3: a lot of especially like some people in like the
Speaker 3: Texters are like I need to have a ton of kids,
Speaker 3: so like I'm never forgotten and like I have a legacy,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's just like a bunch of like
Speaker 3: little mees running everywhere. But you're like flipping that on
Speaker 3: the head and being like, well, also if you're like
Speaker 3: do we just want them to have just a world
Speaker 3: full of them later, then like if I have the
Speaker 3: capacity to influence the future in like a better way
Speaker 3: and like a more responsible way, that could also be
Speaker 3: a good motivator to or like a good argument to
Speaker 3: like have a kid. You know, it probably shouldn't be
Speaker 3: your only reason for having a kid, but definitely we'll
Speaker 3: get you maybe over a few humps or anxieties about
Speaker 3: like the responsibilities you you will take on.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I also have this thing of like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've lived. I feel like I've like experienced
Speaker 1: a lot of feelings and events and things to the
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, like, I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like I've navigated some emotions mentally and whatnot to the
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, huh, I could really try to
Speaker 1: help you know, uh, a human being that I really
Speaker 1: care about. That's like going through the motions of existing
Speaker 1: to like give them a better roadmap. Like I guess,
Speaker 1: like like the the new generation should always be smarter
Speaker 1: in that in that sense. Yeah, and that's that's good.
Speaker 1: That's a possive, that is a positive.
Speaker 3: I agree, yeah, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: Thinking about it not so nihilistically.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, oh I was gonna say, and like even
Speaker 3: like that's just like a positive in like the like
Speaker 3: you can do that and you'd like you don't even
Speaker 3: need a kid to do that, right, you can like
Speaker 3: try and that's true. Yeah, like volunteer at like uh
Speaker 3: like do like not tutoring, but the words escaping me
Speaker 3: not like a boy's home or something. But you know,
Speaker 3: you can try and influence the younger generation in a
Speaker 3: positive way with your experience and it doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 4: Like your kid, you know what I mean, totally totally, So.
Speaker 3: You know, and I think there's a lot of people,
Speaker 3: like I think your show does help a lot, Like
Speaker 3: it's I live in a very like homogeneous part of
Speaker 3: the United States, and so you don't get like a
Speaker 3: lot of give from viewpoints, you know, then it it
Speaker 3: has helped a lot to be like, man, people live
Speaker 3: in the whole universes out in these people's lives, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's crazy we know too much, we know
Speaker 1: too much about the world that actually, maybe that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I think. Actually, that's kind of one of
Speaker 1: my theories as to why, uh, like we're so anxious
Speaker 1: because we we just have we have more information, We
Speaker 1: have an unpressed we have the most okay to Devil's advocate,
Speaker 1: my own everything is unprecedented thing. We have the most
Speaker 1: information about the entirety of all of everything and everyone,
Speaker 1: all the time ever than anyone else has. And I
Speaker 1: think that that makes us that makes us freak out
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Yeah, like gives you like it does like
Speaker 3: push a definitely more nihilistic kind of thing. You're like,
Speaker 3: they're just I can't, like I can't fix all of this,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like you know too much
Speaker 3: about the world and too many and a lot of
Speaker 3: that A lot of that is good, but a lot
Speaker 3: of it is also like really bad, and it's really
Speaker 3: tough to like focus on the good and like push
Speaker 3: for a better day tomorrow than just being like, holy cow,
Speaker 3: there's so many there's so much suffering. How do I
Speaker 3: even like parse all of it?
Speaker 1: Chris, Yeah, is there anything else you want to say
Speaker 1: to the people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, what was I gonna say? I texted it
Speaker 3: to you. You. I was listening to the most recent
Speaker 3: one before this one with the lady from Iran, and
Speaker 3: you were talking about how we need it, Uh probably
Speaker 3: for no, Yeah, I think it's not likely.
Speaker 1: Not likely. But that's but that's not that's two words.
Speaker 1: I need one word.
Speaker 3: Oh, just a single word.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not like, they want.
Speaker 3: To do something later and I'm like, not likely. That's okay,
Speaker 3: all right, all right, all right, unlikely, unlikely.
Speaker 4: Oh, there you go.
Speaker 1: There you go, unlikely. That's the probably for now. There
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 4: So awesome.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for calling man.
Speaker 1: I'll see your in the universe. Chris, see in the universe.
Speaker 4: Talk to her, but.
Speaker 1: You hang up first? Is he gonna do it? Is
Speaker 1: he gonna hang up?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Right, see you, Chris? He hung up. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: This was a great episode of the podcast. This is
Speaker 1: I gotta stop trying so hard to do this. I
Speaker 1: gotta start dicking around more. I used to dick around
Speaker 1: with this more. I gotta dick around more. It's more fun.
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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go to Somali Land next. Uh
Speaker 1: we'll figure out what that's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: I just got back from Japan a couple whatever is ago.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little crazy. But when I'm ready to
Speaker 1: go on a random journey again, it'll probably be Somali Land.
Speaker 1: India looks cool, China looks cool. Antarctica it's a lot
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Speaker 1: there's still people listening to this show. There's still people
Speaker 1: hanging out. So we'll do things. We'll live life, we'll
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Speaker 1: Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Everyone's gonna be okay,
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