Speaker 1: If you have hope, you will always be in sort
Speaker 1: of excitable in life. If you lose hope, which many
Speaker 1: people do, then that's when big problems come. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the one you feed throughout time. Great thinkers have recognized
Speaker 1: the importance of the thoughts we have. Quotes like garbage in,
Speaker 1: garbage out, or you are what you think ring true.
Speaker 1: And yet for many of us, our thoughts don't strengthen
Speaker 1: or empower us. We tend toward negativity, self pity, jealousy,
Speaker 1: or fear. We see what we don't have instead of
Speaker 1: what we do. We think things that hold us back
Speaker 1: and dampen our spirit. But it's not just about thinking.
Speaker 1: Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent, and creative effort
Speaker 1: to make a life worth living. This podcast is about
Speaker 1: how other people keep themselves moving in the right direction,
Speaker 1: how they feed their good will. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is Jackie Warner, best known as the
Speaker 1: star of Bravo Network shows Workout and Thinner Mentioned. Jackie
Speaker 1: is also the author of two New York Times best
Speaker 1: selling books, including the latest one, This Is Why You're
Speaker 1: Sick and Tired and How to Look and Feel Amazing.
Speaker 1: She has started five best selling DVDs and is one
Speaker 1: of the country's most popular fitness trainers. Here's the interview.
Speaker 1: Hi Jackie, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to do here. Yeah, I'm excited to have
Speaker 1: you on the show. Your new book is all about
Speaker 1: having more energy, which is a topic I'm always interested in.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, you've also gone on quite a
Speaker 1: journey in your life and we always like to explore
Speaker 1: that on the show. So thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 1: So our podcast is called The One You Fee, and
Speaker 1: it's based on the parable of two Wolves, where there's
Speaker 1: a grandfather who's talking with his grandson and he says,
Speaker 1: in life, there are two wolves inside of us that
Speaker 1: are always at battle. One is a good wolf, which
Speaker 1: represents things like kindness and bravery and love, and the
Speaker 1: other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed
Speaker 1: and hatred and fear. And the grandson stops and he
Speaker 1: thinks about it for a second. He looks up at
Speaker 1: his grandfather and he says, well, grandfather, which one wins?
Speaker 1: And the grandfather says, the one you feed. So I'd
Speaker 1: like to start off by asking you what that parable
Speaker 1: means to you. In your life and in the work
Speaker 1: that you do. There are so many levels that I
Speaker 1: could talk to you about with that terrible because if
Speaker 1: you break it down, I study metaphysics, and I've studied
Speaker 1: metaphysics actually since I was very young. And for me,
Speaker 1: it's about energy. It is really really the energy that
Speaker 1: you put forth, the energy that you carry yourself with
Speaker 1: out there in society or even in your own home.
Speaker 1: The energy starting with your sink of yourself and therefore
Speaker 1: it translates to how you feel about others. UM is
Speaker 1: very powerful and so for me, I always think of it.
Speaker 1: Do I have a good energy, Meaning when I walk
Speaker 1: into a room or get around other human beings, does
Speaker 1: my energy uplift and right in that room? Or does
Speaker 1: my energy bring that room down? And I think I
Speaker 1: have a power to do that, either turn a room
Speaker 1: down or turn a room up, as we all do,
Speaker 1: especially if we work on honing that energy. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's not such a dark you know, an ugly side
Speaker 1: or good side, because we now know that ugliness and
Speaker 1: feelings of lots of hope and things can be a
Speaker 1: chemical um issue. You know, I study chemistry like saratonin,
Speaker 1: do community or ethnefrin many, many, many people that are
Speaker 1: not diagnosed properly are suffering from slight mood instability which
Speaker 1: can make us feel ugly and angry and dark. Um
Speaker 1: and yeah, and so my whole teaching is to how
Speaker 1: do we kind of improve that serotonin that buies' mean
Speaker 1: and that no epienefference so we can have a more
Speaker 1: balanced and more pleasing feeling about ourselves and others. And
Speaker 1: you can do that largely through food and certainly through
Speaker 1: some intense exercise. Um. And that's been my entire goal.
Speaker 1: I healed my own depression when I was in my
Speaker 1: early twenties. I healed it completely three diet and exercise.
Speaker 1: And my whole life mission is to be working with
Speaker 1: others to try to heal that within themselves through diet
Speaker 1: and through nutrition and exercise. So do you see how
Speaker 1: that leaps back around? Ye? Absolutely. Your new book is
Speaker 1: called This Is Why You're Sick and Tired? So why
Speaker 1: are we sick and tired? Well, there's three factors, and
Speaker 1: I break it down in the book. One is that
Speaker 1: we have toxic sells, and that's largely from our overprocessed
Speaker 1: diet and some fantastic shows and things and medias are
Speaker 1: starting to really talk about how cancerous and how toxics
Speaker 1: are processed food industry is. So that's number one is
Speaker 1: toxic cells UM which finds them blank it down the
Speaker 1: three aspects of the cell. The mitochondria, which is the
Speaker 1: battery or the energy of the cell, the nucleus which
Speaker 1: is the DNA, which is responsible for fighting disease or
Speaker 1: getting disease, And in the outer portion of the cell,
Speaker 1: which is responsible for communication. And if that's throwing whole wire,
Speaker 1: then your moods are going to be unstable because you're
Speaker 1: not communicating well from your brain to your body. So
Speaker 1: I break it down the three aspects of that. And
Speaker 1: then of course the adrenal burnout is a big um
Speaker 1: you know, is a big problem in this country because
Speaker 1: we rely a lot on quick fixes such as um
Speaker 1: multiple top coffee, captinge drinks and things like that for
Speaker 1: a quick energy boost. And then largely is sleep. You know,
Speaker 1: most of us are about probably about three hours of
Speaker 1: sound sleep at night and the rest is talking and turning,
Speaker 1: and a sleep deprivation where you're just not completely rested,
Speaker 1: so you're not getting full seven cycles sleep. So what
Speaker 1: I do is I address all three of those aspects
Speaker 1: of what's making us thickn tire through a really really
Speaker 1: strong kind of cookbook or foods that um you can
Speaker 1: make it about sin minutes, and an exercise program that
Speaker 1: works each week. It changes, So each week your food
Speaker 1: changes and each week your workouts changed, um, and it
Speaker 1: progressively get harder and it progressively get more intended. What
Speaker 1: you talked about resetting our adrenal glands in the book,
Speaker 1: what what causes that adrenal burnout and what are some
Speaker 1: of the remedies for it? Well, the biggest cause is
Speaker 1: too much coffee. So we should never be having more
Speaker 1: than two cups of coffee a day. UM. That's that's
Speaker 1: number one. So UM, you know, coffee and power drinks
Speaker 1: and caffinated drinks and even green tea extracts and things
Speaker 1: like that, um, are are just not good for if
Speaker 1: it's taken too much. And then number one cause of
Speaker 1: adrenal burnout is stressed. So anxiety and stress. So maybe
Speaker 1: a stressful job, maybe a household that isn't running as
Speaker 1: commutely as you like it. Maybe your relationship, your marriage
Speaker 1: or partnership. UM, maybe you're working up the ladder after
Speaker 1: college and you've got a big you know, uh, college bill,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to start at a lower income job.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are all really very strong stressors. Um.
Speaker 1: With the economy, a lot of people have had a
Speaker 1: tremendous adrenal breakdown because of the stress of the economy.
Speaker 1: After the two thousand and eight crash, people just didn't
Speaker 1: recover as well. And I know it's a huge difference
Speaker 1: in my clientele and how they were handling anxiety after
Speaker 1: that crash, a huge difference. Um. You can do things
Speaker 1: such as the eat adrenal cleansing snacks that are super
Speaker 1: charged and really seen that energy. And that's like garbanzo beans,
Speaker 1: a ver a veggie salad or avocado sandwich with sprout, um,
Speaker 1: oatmeal with mixed berry on it, carrots and hummus, apple
Speaker 1: and walnuts, seller in any kind of nut butter. So
Speaker 1: these are all adrenal planting foods. Um. Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: am in the first couple of days of attempting to
Speaker 1: scale back my caffeine intake a great deal and uh
Speaker 1: it's uh, I think my adrenal glance might be kind
Speaker 1: of burned out, but I'm I'm getting through it. But
Speaker 1: by this time of the day, I'm I usually re
Speaker 1: up with some some coffee or energy drink. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me please give you a little tips. Um. And
Speaker 1: it's a surprising and simple tip. Um. I'm cold water.
Speaker 1: Get yourself like a good leader of water. Um, either
Speaker 1: in a refillable bottle with b p A, you know,
Speaker 1: not having toxic plastics. Um, and take that and get
Speaker 1: yourself as a leader and keep it in the fridge
Speaker 1: ice cold water, and then add a tablespoon of linen
Speaker 1: to that. It's a tremendous energy booster if it's ice cold.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so instead of your afternoon coffee, instead of
Speaker 1: your asternion energy drink, try that and drink the entire leader.
Speaker 1: So it's not for enjoyment purposes. And it's not to
Speaker 1: quench your thirst. It's literally too quickly. Um, kind of
Speaker 1: clean your liver and quickly give you an energy booth
Speaker 1: to drink it quickly and drink the entire thing. Um,
Speaker 1: And that really really helps. I was addicted to coffee
Speaker 1: and where I had to have tea cups every morning,
Speaker 1: and I was even human, like, there's no way I
Speaker 1: could conceive of walking out of my house without two
Speaker 1: cups of coffee in the morning for years. Um, and
Speaker 1: I started saying, you know, I'm just feeling like I'm
Speaker 1: having tea cups in the morning and then I'm having
Speaker 1: a cup in the afternoon because I enjoy coffee. Um,
Speaker 1: and I started saying, Okay, I'm gonna have one cup
Speaker 1: in the morning and I'm gonna drink a leader of
Speaker 1: ice cold water with women. Then in the afternoon, I'm like,
Speaker 1: well that really works. I feel good on one cup
Speaker 1: of day. And then in the afternoons they started doing
Speaker 1: that because you really shouldn't be drinking coffee task me, um,
Speaker 1: because it can mess with your three cycles and most
Speaker 1: people drink it at what to to the four o'clock
Speaker 1: for an energy boost. So, UM, just try that and
Speaker 1: see if that helps. I'm not saying it's going to
Speaker 1: be as effected as caffeine, but it will definitely pick
Speaker 1: your stuff up. UM. And like I said, your liver
Speaker 1: is the um. It's the origin responsible for metabolizing everything, toxins, alcohol, fat, weed, everything.
Speaker 1: So the cleaner your liver is running, the better and
Speaker 1: more energy and the better you're feeling, and the more
Speaker 1: energy you'll have. I will give that a try A
Speaker 1: drink a lot of water but I will try the
Speaker 1: ice cold one leader in a fell swoop with lemon.
Speaker 1: So you say that our health crisis runs deeper than
Speaker 1: our weight, What do you mean by that? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: like I referred to the nuclear for the d n
Speaker 1: A of the cell when I that's the disease control,
Speaker 1: and so or is responsible to disease control. Okay. So
Speaker 1: the issue is is with our process diet. So every
Speaker 1: our food has changed greatly since ilis young. So in
Speaker 1: the seventies and the eighties, for instance, we didn't have
Speaker 1: nearly as many chemicals and nearly as much processed food
Speaker 1: and process soy and process porn and everything in our diet.
Speaker 1: It just was not um is prevalent. So we didn't
Speaker 1: have the kind of issues that we're having, especially with
Speaker 1: children and fertility issues that we're having today. Um. So,
Speaker 1: the issue is if you can't do anything for yourself,
Speaker 1: at least go with your meat and your dairy. So
Speaker 1: anything that comes from an animals go to free range.
Speaker 1: So if you can do any good choice for yourself,
Speaker 1: go to a free range. I'm telling you I've put
Speaker 1: people on just an organic diet and not changed what
Speaker 1: they ate. But I put them on an organic, free
Speaker 1: range diet and they lost and dropped weight naturally just
Speaker 1: going from a process diet to an organic diet. And
Speaker 1: the reason is because UM. In terms of disease, I
Speaker 1: write an entire chapter about disease and particular foods that
Speaker 1: we're eating UM. But the issue is UM, you know,
Speaker 1: cancers and things like this. Now the FDA is really
Speaker 1: really looking very clearly because of all the studies UM
Speaker 1: with the correlation of cancer and UM, you know, particular
Speaker 1: processes of food. So just really, really really organic as
Speaker 1: a way to go. And if you can spend your
Speaker 1: last time not poisoning yourself, that is a wise, wise
Speaker 1: choice and you will feel much better on an organic
Speaker 1: diet much And I think you're gonna keep yourself off
Speaker 1: the surgery table, the surgery table and out of the
Speaker 1: doctor's office longer for sure. In your book, the first
Speaker 1: part of the diet is UM. I'm interested in in
Speaker 1: why it's, why it's that way, and then how it changes.
Speaker 1: Is an entirely vegan diet, which is something that I
Speaker 1: spent I've eaten mostly vegan for about the last I
Speaker 1: don't know year year in a couple of months. I'm
Speaker 1: curious why that's the first part of your diet. What
Speaker 1: benefits you see from that? Because I wanted people to
Speaker 1: feel such a drafted change and their energy and then
Speaker 1: there the way they felt, UM that I had to
Speaker 1: really really give them the cleanest diet possible, which is
Speaker 1: why I really carefully chose certain fruits and vegetables and
Speaker 1: combination with certain proteins and gave them a diet that
Speaker 1: I thought was tasty, because that's my number one issue
Speaker 1: is it's got a taste cut so tasty, but also
Speaker 1: it's going to make a shock of a difference. So
Speaker 1: for instance, if you do a vegan cleanse or my
Speaker 1: vegan cleans after about two days, you're gonna feel like
Speaker 1: a different person. You're gonna notice your skin text or changes.
Speaker 1: You're gonna notice your eyes change a little bit. You're
Speaker 1: gonna notice that your energy levels are up. UM. And
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do is really shock the
Speaker 1: system from a processed diet to a vegan diet. And
Speaker 1: then we introduce free range meat as we go. UM.
Speaker 1: And it also is um paired up with a particular
Speaker 1: type of workout each week as you go. So first
Speaker 1: is the vegan Okay, the shock the system and to
Speaker 1: really claim to the cells and give you a kind
Speaker 1: of energy so that you'll want to mentally want to
Speaker 1: move forward. You know, I always call it tricking the brain.
Speaker 1: You know, you as human beings, we want to sabotage.
Speaker 1: It's human nature. We want a sabotage and we want
Speaker 1: to go, many of us to the easiest route. Um,
Speaker 1: So the issue is you've got to kind of trick
Speaker 1: that brain. And if you can be varying your diet
Speaker 1: and kind of be progressive with your diet and make
Speaker 1: changes each week or so, didn't intrigues you, it interest you,
Speaker 1: It challenges you. And so I know that about human nature,
Speaker 1: so I kind of tried to really really address that
Speaker 1: in this book. So we go from vegan and then
Speaker 1: the next phase is the fully thirty, which is the
Speaker 1: zone which we still know is the best way to eat.
Speaker 1: And in the next phase, as we get into ladder train,
Speaker 1: which is a little bit more intrinse style of free
Speaker 1: weight training, we get into a higher protein and neal
Speaker 1: tiny recommends. And here's Eric with the rest of the interview.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you used to have depression. You talk
Speaker 1: about how you largely healed that in yourself. You know,
Speaker 1: listeners know I've depression of something I've battled on and off.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the people on the show do,
Speaker 1: and and I think that you and I would probably
Speaker 1: both agree that exercises one of the very best antidepressants
Speaker 1: that there is. Give give some thought, um, maybe on
Speaker 1: how people who are stuck right now not exercising, Because
Speaker 1: when you're not exercising at all and you're in that
Speaker 1: depressed state, getting going can be so hard. So what
Speaker 1: are some tips for people who aren't gonna, aren't going
Speaker 1: to um, you know, hire a train or what are
Speaker 1: some ways to at least get the ball rolling for them? Well,
Speaker 1: I think you have to make very easy goals for yourselves.
Speaker 1: So for instance, it started from me just by walking. Um.
Speaker 1: My college, it so happened, was about forty one blocks
Speaker 1: total from my dormant boy. So instead of taking the
Speaker 1: bus when I was eighteen, I started walking. I got
Speaker 1: up you know a little earlier, and I started walking.
Speaker 1: And I walked the entire way there, the entire way back.
Speaker 1: And I noticed a big change in just a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Not only am I ways, um, but because
Speaker 1: I I gained weight my first year my freshman year.
Speaker 1: So not only did my weights fail back, um, but
Speaker 1: I noticed that I was feeling more alert in class.
Speaker 1: I was feeling brighter, I was feeling um less shy,
Speaker 1: more eye contact as people. These are the benefits of
Speaker 1: exercise that come with that. UM. It's it's I always says,
Speaker 1: the way you carry yourself when you've moved your body
Speaker 1: and made a good choice with your body, an explosion
Speaker 1: of chemistry happened during a little, even atween minute bout
Speaker 1: of exercise. An explosion of chemistry happens, and connections between
Speaker 1: brain and body are are made and um and in
Speaker 1: that explosion there's a feeling of well being, being in
Speaker 1: balance that you that you would have to take like
Speaker 1: a proxact or will low to get to you. UM.
Speaker 1: And so you know, that's what we get from exercise
Speaker 1: and what we have to remember. And like I said,
Speaker 1: even starting with a ten minute walk, even golden, just
Speaker 1: around your same block in fifteen times is enough. Then
Speaker 1: you start timing and say okay, I'm gonna run and
Speaker 1: then to run around this block once and then I'm
Speaker 1: the walk it. And then then so you make a
Speaker 1: little set a little gold to yourself. UM. And uh I,
Speaker 1: I always love you know, UM classes, I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, after what twenty four years of training myself,
Speaker 1: just myself, six days a week, almost you know, my
Speaker 1: entire adult ice. UM I enjoy classes. I like the
Speaker 1: energy to support system. I like the healthy minded people
Speaker 1: are all there for the same reason that we're respecting
Speaker 1: and love in our body and UM I get a
Speaker 1: lot of pick up from that. So UM classes are
Speaker 1: more affordable, especially in other parts of the Yeah, parts
Speaker 1: of the country the kind of expliment l a but
Speaker 1: in other parts of the country they're more affordable. All
Speaker 1: you have to do is google your town, google the
Speaker 1: same you like, and I guarantee you will find it.
Speaker 1: There are classes all around you. If you like hip
Speaker 1: hop dance, that's the workout. If you like plots, that's
Speaker 1: the workout. If you like yoga, that's the workout. And
Speaker 1: do the thing that you've always wanted to do are
Speaker 1: kind of are excited about. If you wanted to learn
Speaker 1: how to rollerblade, I mean that's kind of dating me.
Speaker 1: But if you wanted to learn how to do anything, UM,
Speaker 1: you can incorporate that to do the things that you
Speaker 1: think you want to do and that are fun for
Speaker 1: you don't keep the things just because you think you should. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, I know free weight training is the best
Speaker 1: out of training. It's going to get your body and
Speaker 1: your mind in the quickest way possible to the best
Speaker 1: place possible is free weight functional training. Now, a lot
Speaker 1: of women don't like that solid training. So do I
Speaker 1: try to force my method of training down this road? No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I say, well, let's find something that you
Speaker 1: enjoy doing, then let's do it three times a week.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, I think that's the key.
Speaker 1: Exercise is so important. Like I said, it changed my life.
Speaker 1: I've changed. I've trained thousands of clients with two gyms
Speaker 1: to medical clinics, and I'm telling you, in a week's time,
Speaker 1: I've got a client now. Actually, our fourth session in,
Speaker 1: I already noticed a big difference of his body. So
Speaker 1: does he and he feels amazing. He feels amazing. Fourth
Speaker 1: session in. So that's four hours of training. Four hours.
Speaker 1: That's it. It does make a huge difference. It's kind
Speaker 1: of the the number one thing that, at least with myself,
Speaker 1: if I'm like, why am I feeling so loud? I
Speaker 1: can usually look and go, oh, well, I didn't exercise
Speaker 1: in the last three days or whatever. It's it's almost
Speaker 1: it's it's very clear for me. It's funny to me
Speaker 1: that something that's that good, that makes me feel that
Speaker 1: good still sometimes can be that challenging to do. I
Speaker 1: don't quite understand what the why it works that way.
Speaker 1: You think something as good as exercise would just be
Speaker 1: right at the top of the list. And maybe it
Speaker 1: seems like for some people they cross over into that
Speaker 1: where they just love it all the time. Well, I
Speaker 1: think people that cross over and love it all the
Speaker 1: time are definitely people that UM are taking and stay
Speaker 1: a negative pratch pct is maybe UM drugs, alcohol, UM
Speaker 1: and certain like shaberry foods negative foods UM, and they
Speaker 1: are have triggered it for a positive pretch which is
Speaker 1: what we all try to teach in my industry. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know the things you're doing that your body doesn't like.
Speaker 1: There are the things you're doing that you're braining we're
Speaker 1: really that's the right. There are the things that are
Speaker 1: making your energy just kind of yuck. And and why
Speaker 1: you're not opening doors while you're not getting promoted, why
Speaker 1: you're not getting along with your partner. These are the
Speaker 1: things and then how, and then what are the positive
Speaker 1: stuff that we can bring in? And a couple of
Speaker 1: things that I don't just deal with a client by
Speaker 1: training them. I also talk about what can we do.
Speaker 1: UM is a creative outlet really defined you define you UM,
Speaker 1: because you're not just your job. Most people don't enjoy
Speaker 1: their jobs so much. So to those people that don't
Speaker 1: enjoy their job and don't have passion for their job,
Speaker 1: they need something that they feel that they're good at
Speaker 1: and if they are created, So we try to find
Speaker 1: things like peeping, or writing or poetry or any kind
Speaker 1: of you know, music. I mean, there's so many things
Speaker 1: that you can do now that can make you feel
Speaker 1: great about yourself. So I direct all those issues, which
Speaker 1: if you've gone to my website, you see that there's
Speaker 1: it's a very net a website. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: creativity on it, yep. And so let's maybe transition into
Speaker 1: that a little bit. On your website, you say that
Speaker 1: when you turned forty you kind of fell into a crisis.
Speaker 1: Can you describe maybe what led up to that crisis
Speaker 1: and what that crisis was like for you? Well, I
Speaker 1: think that UM, to be honest, I was working on
Speaker 1: I don't love filming television, and my life at that
Speaker 1: time was TV, and I did love the process of
Speaker 1: reality TV. UM, the TV I was doing, I wasn't
Speaker 1: really um, you know, super positive about UM. And that
Speaker 1: was my job. And I've just never been a person that,
Speaker 1: you know, UM, could just do a job. Say, you know,
Speaker 1: you shoot the teen hours a day, six or seven
Speaker 1: days a week, it's pretty intant. And so I was
Speaker 1: impersont to just do that and not feel a repercussion
Speaker 1: from that, like maybe I'm doing something that I didn't
Speaker 1: love doing and that I wasn't a hundred percent out of.
Speaker 1: And and so I think I kind of you know,
Speaker 1: went down the path that I was not living to
Speaker 1: my potential quite frankly. And so you know, it's seeming
Speaker 1: seemingly I had the whole world. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: had a new book deal, I had do do do deals,
Speaker 1: I had contracts, I had a TV show and all
Speaker 1: of that, but it just wasn't exactly what I loved doing.
Speaker 1: I stopped training people at that time because I got
Speaker 1: too busy with the brands. You know, the brands can
Speaker 1: completely encompass you and take your life over, and so
Speaker 1: I stopped doing the thing that really gave me a
Speaker 1: satisfaction of personal satisfaction, which is one on one training.
Speaker 1: And I think that was a big mistake. I sold
Speaker 1: my dam at that time, big mistake because I no
Speaker 1: longer then I started working out of my house or
Speaker 1: traveling lot as opposed to going in and inspiring on
Speaker 1: a daily basis and working with other people that were inspiring.
Speaker 1: So I would say a lot of change occurred in
Speaker 1: my life, um as a business owner and as a
Speaker 1: personal trainer, and then it's a TV personality and it
Speaker 1: just wasn't It wasn't working for me at the time.
Speaker 1: So what did that crisis look like for you when
Speaker 1: when you kind of went into it. I know myself
Speaker 1: so well. I work on myself. Every day is a
Speaker 1: chance for me to grow, you know, one of those
Speaker 1: where I love just that goal to myself on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. I love to achieve them at the end
Speaker 1: of the night. I assess it. Um. I know myself
Speaker 1: very very well. I'm very in touch. So you what,
Speaker 1: maybe somebody else's idea of completely um having a spiral
Speaker 1: is never my idea. I still went to the gym
Speaker 1: every day. I still eight well every day. I still
Speaker 1: was a loving daughter and family member, a loving friends,
Speaker 1: a loving partner, so all of those things. So but
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy. I knew that I wasn't happy, and
Speaker 1: it's something felt a little false to me. And and
Speaker 1: and that's what was kind of under my skin and
Speaker 1: bothering me. But in terms of like doing anythings, you know, like, uh, destructive, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just not a self destructive person. Um, And that
Speaker 1: comes from years of gaining respect for yourself. You know,
Speaker 1: they're self destructive because you you're you have don't have
Speaker 1: enough respects for yourself and you constantly make bad decisions. Um,
Speaker 1: So that's not gonna happen with me. You're never gonna like,
Speaker 1: look at T and Z and see that. I went
Speaker 1: on it an alcoholic dinge where I was driving drums
Speaker 1: down msry you're doing so you're never gonna see it
Speaker 1: out and you never will. But um, it just was
Speaker 1: a feeling of just like I'm just not happy for
Speaker 1: a couple of years, the last a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and then I did some growth and now I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I feel very very well adjusted. What do you think
Speaker 1: is the lesson that has taken you the longest to
Speaker 1: learn in your life. The lesson for me personally is
Speaker 1: is be kinder to yourself. Don't be so perfection like,
Speaker 1: be a perfectionist with yourself. It's funny. I'm not a
Speaker 1: perfectionist with others at all, but I'm a perfectionist with
Speaker 1: my body, myself, what I've achieved, what I gained, my money,
Speaker 1: things like God, I'm very very hard on myself, on
Speaker 1: my biggest critic and on my biggest stand but on
Speaker 1: my biggest credit. And sometimes I can just say, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, your expectation of yourself is so off the charts.
Speaker 1: You're never going to be satisfied. And that's that's pretty so. Um.
Speaker 1: I think my my biggest learning lesson is is just
Speaker 1: be kind to yourself, you know, be be nicer with
Speaker 1: that internal voice that steeps key throughout the day and night. Um.
Speaker 1: And and the way you would treat a client they time,
Speaker 1: you should be treating yourself. I would never say things
Speaker 1: to a client that I say sometimes internally or have
Speaker 1: in the past to myself, you know. Um. So I
Speaker 1: just to be as loving to yourself as you are
Speaker 1: with the ones around you. Yeah, I think that's an
Speaker 1: interesting way to think about self talk. I was talking
Speaker 1: with someone about that the other day and and exactly
Speaker 1: like you, like you just said, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if you were trying to help a friend do this,
Speaker 1: you would never talk to them that way. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: let him completely off the hook either, Right, if it
Speaker 1: was a friend who you cared about, you would you
Speaker 1: would be you would tell the truth, but you would
Speaker 1: tell it in a kind way. Yeah, it was tough love.
Speaker 1: So I in fact, I just met with the fund
Speaker 1: for lunch today and there was a little tough love
Speaker 1: in that conversation. So you know, but that tough love
Speaker 1: starts with thanks. My friends. Listen, you are beautiful, you're
Speaker 1: an intelligent, you've you, you have so much going for you.
Speaker 1: You're this, you're that, you're this, you're dad. So you know,
Speaker 1: let's think of why you might be engaging in this
Speaker 1: sort of the hinder right now and what that could
Speaker 1: be coming from, you know, and um, where this lack
Speaker 1: of confidence is coming from. Well, you know, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a loving way. It's a tough love, but it's
Speaker 1: a loving way to discuss where's this lack of confidence
Speaker 1: coming from at this moment? What's it tied to I
Speaker 1: to myself back in in the day would be like,
Speaker 1: oh my dust, shut up, snap to it. You've got this,
Speaker 1: you know, I would be so neat. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of us have that internal
Speaker 1: clock like Okay, you're fat, you're ugly, you look at
Speaker 1: yourself in the mirror. I mean, I know a lot
Speaker 1: of my past clients that are overweight or obese, which
Speaker 1: it doesn't take much to be obese, but um, they
Speaker 1: wake up and the first thought and I mean the
Speaker 1: first thought that comes into their head in her awaken
Speaker 1: state is one of disgust and of also negativity about
Speaker 1: their body image, and that it nearly makes me want
Speaker 1: to cry for them because I have the blessing in
Speaker 1: my life and I say this to them. I wake
Speaker 1: up in the morning feeling strong, feeling powerful, excited, um
Speaker 1: and feeling my end, loving my body, and I want
Speaker 1: that opportunity for you because it's the greatest feeling in
Speaker 1: the world to wake up feeling that way. And I
Speaker 1: want that for you so bad. But so let's work
Speaker 1: on that together where we can get And it's just
Speaker 1: amazing how you have to start right with that negative
Speaker 1: reframing and change that the way you speak to yourself
Speaker 1: and and uh, mainly, and I think that's so true,
Speaker 1: that being so hard on ourselves and hateful to ourselves.
Speaker 1: Although it seems like on one level that would be motivational,
Speaker 1: it's usually so exhausting that it ends up not being motivational.
Speaker 1: Whereas that approach that you said more of, I want
Speaker 1: to do this out of a sense of caring about
Speaker 1: myself versus I'm bad, it seems to just produces much
Speaker 1: better results. It does. It produces their actual studies about this,
Speaker 1: by the way, and it produces long term results. So
Speaker 1: in the short term, screaming at yourself inside of your
Speaker 1: brain and telling yourself how disgusting and what a kid
Speaker 1: you are, and if Matt gets the genitor, short term
Speaker 1: that work. It does. It works port term, Um, taking
Speaker 1: a picture of yourself in a bikini that you don't
Speaker 1: like and then flattering and putting that on that fridge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that works short term. It does not work long term.
Speaker 1: We know this now. Um. Long term is simply saying, oh, gosh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm at work and this kid and birthday
Speaker 1: taking stuff down. Do I want that or what? I
Speaker 1: rather just go and have my snack it's in the
Speaker 1: fridge that I've prepared for myself or boiled egg, like
Speaker 1: do you know what's the best decision and why? So
Speaker 1: it's just you know, realizing did my body want that?
Speaker 1: What does my body wants there? And I love my body,
Speaker 1: so let's get it this thing that wants you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of talk is good. Like I wake up
Speaker 1: every morning, I don't want to work out, to be honest,
Speaker 1: not as I'm like, because I look out so intensely
Speaker 1: for myself that um, sometimes I don't want to put
Speaker 1: that effort out and so um. But I said, wait
Speaker 1: a second, I always so much dower after I work out,
Speaker 1: and at so much point energy after I work out,
Speaker 1: and I sleep better that night after I work out. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go. You see. So it wasn't that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get overweight, or you're gonna not look good
Speaker 1: in miss photoshooting, you're gonna look disgusting, or you're not
Speaker 1: gonna feel good about yourself, and never do that because
Speaker 1: it's not effective. You've got a quote I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where I saw it of yours that says, never think
Speaker 1: of a health program is depriving yourself think of it
Speaker 1: as giving yourself the most loving gift of all. And
Speaker 1: that's true. It is giving yourself the most loving gift
Speaker 1: and it comes from self esteem. How do you build
Speaker 1: self esteem? It starts when more children, we've got a
Speaker 1: goal for our alls many meaning maybe grades at school,
Speaker 1: that test, we study for that test, we get an
Speaker 1: ad on that test, we feel good about ourselves. As
Speaker 1: the self esteem the same thing as adult. Um. We
Speaker 1: set a small goal, not large, but a small, doable
Speaker 1: goal that's realistic in our actual lifestyle, not in my lifestyle,
Speaker 1: but your lifestyle, your individual lifestyle, and say, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: not realistic to me to cut off process without but
Speaker 1: it is realistic for me to add some spinach and
Speaker 1: um an apple a day. So I can I can
Speaker 1: do that. I can add you spinach at an apple
Speaker 1: a day. So just adding that to existing bad diet
Speaker 1: is something that your body craves and loves and that
Speaker 1: you will feel a different from. So adding good foods
Speaker 1: to the bad so and then at the end of
Speaker 1: the day you're like, I did my body from nutrients
Speaker 1: really crazy. They're good for it and it helps fight
Speaker 1: disease and automne disorders. Great. I did a good job
Speaker 1: to and you feel good about yourself. So it's a
Speaker 1: doable goals. And again, you know it comes from self esteem.
Speaker 1: If you think you're worth it, then you start making changes.
Speaker 1: If you think you're worth it things with hope. If
Speaker 1: you have hope, you will always being sort of an
Speaker 1: excitable and state in life. If you lose hope, which
Speaker 1: many people do, then that's when big problems come, big problems,
Speaker 1: and that's when we start relying on on our negative crushes.
Speaker 1: So there has to be like, you know, hope for yourself,
Speaker 1: hope for you know, changing your UM, your level of sickness,
Speaker 1: your level of energy and um. Then just making that
Speaker 1: very attainable goal. Right. Yeah, we always say on the show,
Speaker 1: start small and then connect the dots, you know, if
Speaker 1: you can, if you can just make you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing,
Speaker 1: which is where a lot of us find ourselves. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like vegetables. I I just don't like vegetables,
Speaker 1: if you can believe that. But works like to be
Speaker 1: eating for stories of vegetable today. So what I do
Speaker 1: if I sneak it in to things, you know, like
Speaker 1: my pro team shakes For instance, I love fruit, but
Speaker 1: I don't like vegetables. So it's it's spinach in there,
Speaker 1: because spinach is a vegetable that's not too strong and
Speaker 1: you can't even taste it. So I put some spinach
Speaker 1: in there. And then and after me some time, Um,
Speaker 1: I will take and I will microL wave microL wave
Speaker 1: a big like two cups of broccoli for like a
Speaker 1: minute and a half in the microwaves, and I gulp
Speaker 1: it down with a fork. Is that the best way
Speaker 1: to make it? No, But it's the only way I'll
Speaker 1: make it. It's the only I'm gonna say. But I'm
Speaker 1: not going to sit there and get a steamer out
Speaker 1: at four o'clock or five o'clock in the afternoon and
Speaker 1: steam myself some broccoli that I don't even like and
Speaker 1: eat it. But I will get to the cup frozen broccoli,
Speaker 1: I'll microwave it and I'll gulp it down like a vitamin.
Speaker 1: So this is what I'm talking about, and I feel
Speaker 1: good about myself. Oh I got I got two vegetables today. Great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did it. So we're near the end of her time.
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you one last question and eat
Speaker 1: you know, people who are you're you've been You've been
Speaker 1: very successful, You're very ambitious. Um. I'm always curious about
Speaker 1: how people balance this in their life, which is the
Speaker 1: you know, the paradox of being ambitious and striving to
Speaker 1: be better with also with also being able to accept
Speaker 1: where we are in life and enjoying it in the moment.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you handle that paradox if
Speaker 1: you don't already have it? You have to change your
Speaker 1: view of failure. Okay, So for instance, um, I've had
Speaker 1: things in the last couple of years that have not
Speaker 1: gone my way. I could look at that as a
Speaker 1: monumental failure and fust be negative about it. But I
Speaker 1: could say, Okay, that road was not the road that
Speaker 1: I should have gone down. Let me try this road.
Speaker 1: Let's see if I can get to my goal but
Speaker 1: in a different way. Or let's say change my goal
Speaker 1: and make it more realistic, to set myself up to
Speaker 1: have more positive results. So that's kind of what psychologically
Speaker 1: we need to do instead of if you don't get
Speaker 1: what you want, Listen, you write a business plan, you
Speaker 1: put you save all your money, you get an investor,
Speaker 1: you start a business. It's like having a child and
Speaker 1: the business doesn't go well. I see it every day.
Speaker 1: I see restaurants that come and go in six months time.
Speaker 1: It's always part of writing to me because I know
Speaker 1: what that business owner who's invested into that business. But
Speaker 1: what do you do with that? You say, well, I'm
Speaker 1: a failure. I'm not going to open a restaurant again,
Speaker 1: or I'm not gonna, you know, try to do anything again.
Speaker 1: No you don't. You say, Okay, now, what what's next?
Speaker 1: You always have to kind of intrigue and excite yourself
Speaker 1: because you are the most important person. If you're not right,
Speaker 1: the people around you aren't right. And that means exids too.
Speaker 1: If you're not right mom and dad, the kids aren't right.
Speaker 1: So it's most important that you invest in yourself and
Speaker 1: be the best that you can be. And part of
Speaker 1: that is the way you look at your life. Um
Speaker 1: about failures and in essence, I don't believe I've had
Speaker 1: one failure in my life because I refused to look
Speaker 1: at it that way. But I've had many notes and
Speaker 1: I've had disappointment. Excellent, Well, Jackie, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: taking the time to be on the show. I've really
Speaker 1: enjoyed the conversation. Thank too. I really did too, Thanks
Speaker 1: so much, Have a great evening. Okay, As many of
Speaker 1: you know, Eric has been doing some one on one
Speaker 1: coaching sessions and we figured instead of us telling you
Speaker 1: about it, we would just let up participant in the
Speaker 1: program share what they thought. And here's what one client
Speaker 1: had to say about working with Eric. I really enjoyed
Speaker 1: his approach to coaching because I like one thing he
Speaker 1: said is that, you know, I call it coaching for
Speaker 1: kind of lack of a better word, because a lot
Speaker 1: of the times in the past I would be a
Speaker 1: bit turned off by kind of personal coaching and like,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing, you know, when people
Speaker 1: use those sorts of terms, i'd be a bit disengaged.
Speaker 1: When I listened to his podcast, though, he seemed like
Speaker 1: very genuine, you know what I mean, and he's just
Speaker 1: sort of thought a lot about, you know, just being
Speaker 1: a better person. It's not it's not all about personal effectiveness,
Speaker 1: even though that's a which part of it. It's just
Speaker 1: about trying to be a better person and trying to
Speaker 1: give as much as you can give. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: really liked his his genuineness. For those of you interested
Speaker 1: in someone on one coaching with Eric. Be sure an
Speaker 1: email him at Eric at one you Feed dot Net. Thanks.
Speaker 1: You can learn more about Jackie Warner and this podcast
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