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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show. Some like it cold, some

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Speaker 1: like it hot, but what they all have in common

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Speaker 1: is living life as a basic tube. That's right. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about worms who live in the most extreme places

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Speaker 1: on Earth, able to endure temperatures and chemicals that would

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Speaker 1: easily kill a poison. Discover this more as we answer

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Speaker 1: the angel question, what sorts of activities are scheduled for

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Speaker 1: the ice Worm Festival. Joining me today is friend of

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Speaker 1: the show, writer for American Dad and the Soarin part

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Speaker 1: of Quick Question with Sorn and Daniel Sore and Booie.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Hello everybody, Thank you for the introduction. I'm realizing

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Speaker 2: after hearing it, I know I brought this on myself

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Speaker 2: because I suggested a worm, but I don't I'm worried

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be the worm guy and I don't

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Speaker 2: want that title.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh, now that you just said warm guy, it's stuck.

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Speaker 1: Now that's all I can think of. Sore and Bowie

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Speaker 1: worm guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you find another worm that you really like

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Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, I should have on worm guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now see you made you You had that

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Speaker 1: in your head and you could have kept it just

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Speaker 1: to yourself in your brain, but now it's out there

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Speaker 1: in the universe and you've made it happen.

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Speaker 2: I'm an overshaar. Hi everybody, I'm sore in bowe. I'm

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Speaker 2: happy to be here. I'm excited about to talk about

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Speaker 2: my favorite animal of all worms.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you suggested ice worms, which I gotta admit I

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Speaker 1: had actually never heard of. I figured it was a

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Speaker 1: worm that lived in ice and go, yeah, gosh, darted.

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Speaker 1: I was right about that. Yeah, but these are really

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Speaker 1: interesting sorn. Why why did you suggest this? What? What

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Speaker 1: do you find interesting about the ice worm?

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Speaker 2: I always get excited when we think that there's places

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Speaker 2: on Earth that animals can't live and yeah, they're like, nah,

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Speaker 2: it's just like carbon based. Ice worms have like a

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Speaker 2: very specific temperature in which they can live. And then

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Speaker 2: we'll find like something living inside the lava of a

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Speaker 2: volcano and we're like, yeah, okay, things can live anywhere,

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Speaker 2: and so the ice worms were one of them. Ice

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Speaker 2: worms were very exciting to me also because they're kind

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Speaker 2: of maybe I'm wrong about this they remember them being

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Speaker 2: kind of like snowflakes, and that if you take them

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Speaker 2: of melt in your hand.

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Speaker 1: Yeap, yep, that you are correct about that. Yes, they

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Speaker 1: are really weird and interesting, and indeed they live somewhere

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't seem like they should be able to live.

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Speaker 1: But also they need a very specific set of parameters

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Speaker 1: to be alive. Like they are very much like the

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Speaker 1: Frosty the snowman thing where it's like, ah, it gets

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Speaker 1: too warm, he dies, which is a horrible thing to

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Speaker 1: teach children, but like it also like if they get

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Speaker 1: too cold, they also die. They just have this very

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Speaker 1: It's like I like it these five degrees of temperature,

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Speaker 1: I like I have a very limited temperature range that

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Speaker 2: No, that makes sense to me too. I do I

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Speaker 2: I'll be like, I guess I'm also pretty dramatic but

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh my god, I'm freezing. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the problem. It's sixty eight in here or not?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I actually so I'm more sensitive to heat

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Speaker 2: I'm the same way. I just got back from Tucson,

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Speaker 2: where it's just where my wife is from, and anytime

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Speaker 2: people should not live here now, it's too hot. This

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Speaker 2: is the landscape of hell. Yeah, look at it. It's

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Speaker 1: My mom grew up in Bakersfield, so we would visit

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Speaker 1: It forty forty celsiuses.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's good in celsius, Like, what are

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Speaker 1: H No, thirty is still a little bit warm. I

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Speaker 2: That's complicated. Yeah, my system, which isn't by the way, fahrenheit.

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Speaker 2: I have my own.

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Speaker 1: Yeah bouize and they and they have various precise decimals.

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Speaker 1: It's a yeah, it's kind of a math mathematically, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: So these worms like to live in the ice. Thus

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Speaker 1: that is why they are called ice worms. They are

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Speaker 1: a genus of segmented worms. There are actually seventy seven

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Speaker 1: species of ice worm found in various habitats of ice

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Speaker 1: and snow. And they can complete their whole life cycle

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Speaker 1: around zero degrees celsius. And they can even be found

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Speaker 1: in glacial ice. So if temperatures get a few degrees

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Speaker 1: And they can actually move between ice crystals through the

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Speaker 1: ice using tiny hairs on their bodies. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: this brings up something where you asked me before we

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Speaker 1: and it is wonderful. It. I love microscopic photography of

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Speaker 1: then you get close enough, it's always horrifying every time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this one it's it's it's like unfair to

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Speaker 2: call it a worm when you get up close, because

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Speaker 2: it's got tons of little pom poms coming off of it,

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Speaker 2: like little arms with fur.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of looks like it's it kind of

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Speaker 2: looks like a skeleton wearing a fur coat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I mean that's fun. Though, it's like, you

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this actually, you know, have you

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Speaker 1: it's like this is very bobbitwarm mask. Uh. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's like got a bunch of bristles coming

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Speaker 1: it uses those to like navigate amongst ice crystals. So

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Speaker 1: getting purchased. I mean, if you've been on ice, h's slippery, right,

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Speaker 1: you know how to ice skate? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well I was born in Colorado, so you're born you're

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Speaker 2: handed a bunch of winter skills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I grew up in southern California. So the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I Here's what I don't understand about them

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Speaker 2: so what are they eating?

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. It's because the premise of your

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Speaker 1: like algae, which basically is the thing that can grow anywhere. Yes,

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Speaker 1: As long as you got one thing that is hardy

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Speaker 1: ice worms and get a source of nutrition in these areas.

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Speaker 1: So now you've got this whole food chain of supporting life.

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Speaker 2: I could I could set up shop here, I can

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Speaker 2: work with that pretty nice spot. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And these are like, these are little itty bitty worms.

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Speaker 1: They range from being teeny tiny, like a couple of

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Speaker 1: So they're like they're visible to the naked eye obviously,

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Speaker 1: and you can pick them up and watch them melt

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Speaker 1: yeah they are. But they're small. They're small. They just

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Speaker 1: look very delicate, and it's it's hard to believe that

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's crazy that there's their structural stability

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Speaker 2: like that you pick it up and your body temperature

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Speaker 2: is such that this animal turns into liquid form.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a living popsicle.

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Speaker 2: That's so cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, you know, if there were things

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Speaker 1: that lived in the sun, they'd probably view us with

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Speaker 1: the same amazement of like, wow, can't even get close

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the other end of the element spectrum. Uh man,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of, like, yeah, what the equivalent

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that it is. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it is one of those things where it's so

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Speaker 1: highly specialized. There are a few species of animals that

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Speaker 1: are like this. They're often called like indicator species because

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Speaker 1: they can indicate that, say, the environment is changing or

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Speaker 1: the temperature is changing, because their population levels will rapidly

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Speaker 1: fluctuate if there is something going on with the temperature.

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Speaker 1: I think another one is it might be the pika.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we talked about the pika.

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Speaker 1: We did talk about the pika.

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Speaker 2: You and I went down memory row. Oh, that's right

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Speaker 2: about my upbringing.

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Speaker 2: Why does it have such a gaping mouth? Is that

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Speaker 1: Tubes are a great design. That's why we see so

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Speaker 1: This is the Cordova ice Worm Festival, held every year

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Speaker 2: Well good for them, I'm glad they have their own

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Speaker 2: And I know all this because I had potato days

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Speaker 1: We always get back to tubes. Uh, it's tubes tubes

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Speaker 1: degrees celsius, which is now I like a toasty butt,

437
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, like it's nice when you, like, say you

438
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: sit in a chair where someone's recently sat in, You're like, oh,

439
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: this is nice, this was warmed up for me. But

440
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy six degrees fahrenheit is a little

441
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: bit a lot of heat for the butt.

442
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just doing the quick calculation to booiz. Yeah,

443
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: it is too hot.

444
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: It is one in one fourth point three booies. So

445
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: their heads actually face outwards and are at a much

446
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: nicer area of water that's only around seventy two degrees

447
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: fahrenheit or twenty two degrees celsius, and that is like,

448
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: that's a friendly temperature for me.

449
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds nice. That's how's it get there?

450
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: That quick? Yeah, it's like that well, because so in

451
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: these the near these vents, right, you're at the bottom

452
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: of the ocean, and the water is very cold because

453
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: it gets no sunlight, and so right next to these

454
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: vents that it's extremely extremely hot. And then as it

455
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: rapidly cools down as you get further away from the vent,

456
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: I see, okay, which is actually key to things being

457
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: able to survive near these vents because you have like

458
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: this zone near the vents that goes from being basically

459
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: inhospitable to being like, eh, it' sor right, that's deefit. Yeah,

460
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, but their butts are in an area that

461
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: is just ridiculously hot, and then researchers wanted to test

462
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: their limits. They can survive temperatures up to two hundred

463
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: and twenty one degrees fahrenheit or one hundred and five

464
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: degrees celsius, which makes them the second toughest animal when

465
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: it comes to heat resistance. Can you guess the toughest

466
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: animal when it comes to heat resistance.

467
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: I'm thinking.

468
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: It is the.

469
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: Kangaroo rat.

470
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: No, it is the tartar grade. So tartar grade.

471
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those indestructible little things.

472
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: They are, yes, there they are. They look like a microbe,

473
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: but they are actually microscopic animal and they are virtually indestructible.

474
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, so the fact that these Pompeii worms are

475
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: almost as indestructible as these tartar grades, and yet they

476
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: are large and squishy, it's it's interesting. So how do

477
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: they have such tough butts? Well, researchers think that they

478
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: may use bacteria as a heat resistant coat. Remember earlier

479
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: where you were like, it's like as if a skeleton

480
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: was wearing a fur coat. Of that picture of the

481
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: ice worm. This is like if you're wearing a coat

482
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: made out of bacteria. Uh, and that is helping you

483
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: survive extreme heat. So all that fur or hair that's

484
00:27:53,440 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: on their bodies, that's just strands of bacteria. Oh good, Yeah,

485
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: they're stinky little guys bacteria shield Oh yeah yeah. It

486
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: doesn't like like make you want to pet them. Just

487
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: get right in there, scratch all that nice fur, all

488
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: that bacteria. Fir.

489
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: I want to take a cleraton and just put my

490
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: face right in there fur.

491
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, give a little kiss. So the worm secretes a

492
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: mucus that attracts and feeds the bacteria. Oh god, the

493
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: world is either tubes or mucus. I'm sorry, and usually

494
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: tubes filled with mucus.

495
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: It's such a mistake. Like I just think about the

496
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: world differently after every time I learned them enough about nature,

497
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: No wonder, we all tried to escape it.

498
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: No wonder.

499
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: We went to homes and we went the direction we did,

500
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: put soles on our shoes, like we have to get

501
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: away from this.

502
00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: This is. We encountered just yet another mucus filled tube,

503
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: and we're like, that's it, that's it, We're shutting it

504
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: all down. I hate this.

505
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: I hate that it has to that this worm attracts

506
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: a bacteria to keep it safe from extreme temperatures.

507
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. The bacteria like grows in these strands that look

508
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: like fur. Yeah, oh my god. So the bacteria is

509
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: thought to both shield the worm from intense heat and

510
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: maybe help the worm feed. Now, I don't think it

511
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: directly eats the bacteria that is on its own body,

512
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: because it needs that for the heat protection. But like

513
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: when I was reading about it, there's just this vague

514
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: sort of reference of like it may help it feed,

515
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: and it's like how why, And then it's just like, huh,

516
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it does.

517
00:29:53,120 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: SOMETHINGED guess, but they do all also eat bacteria using

518
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: feeding tentacles that come out of their face, so like

519
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: these long, sticky strands that they shoot out and just

520
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, suck up.

521
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: Bacteria on these filaments. So that's nice.

522
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's somewhat sympathetic, only because have you ever tried

523
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: to be in a natural hot springs in a river before? No? I?

524
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I get like I get hives if I

525
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: sit in the wrong hot tub. So I have allergic

526
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: reactions to fung guy that most people don't even notice,

527
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: and for me, somehow it gets on my body and

528
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: then I just kind of grow spots.

529
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: You're like our canary species or that.

530
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: A pico or an indicator speci for fungus. Yeah. Yeah,

531
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: so no, no, I have never nat you.

532
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: In Colorado. They occur in rivers, and in those rivers

533
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: does all runoff. So it's snow melt that has just

534
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: recently melted, so the water is barely below freezing as

535
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: it's coming down the river. And then there's a hot

536
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: spring somewhere there, and that water coming out of the

537
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: hot springs is blisteringly hot, and so you have to

538
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: figure out if you want to go try to enjoy

539
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: one of these. You've got to figure out how to

540
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: get the right rocks in the right area to just

541
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: filter in enough of the river water that it immediately

542
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: cools the blisteringly hot hot spring and then you can

543
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: kind of get like a nice temperature going in this

544
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: one section of the river, and it's very pleasant, but

545
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: it still smells deeply like sulfur. So I don't know

546
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: why we used to do this now that I'm describing it,

547
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is that we have showers at home.

548
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, we try to do this all the time,

549
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: and it gets to the point where, like you, you

550
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: can't tell anymore whether what you're feeling is intense cold

551
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: or intense heat.

552
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: Oh that I know, moment, Yeah, that's that feeling.

553
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: I know.

554
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds horrible. It's interesting you mentioned sulfur. Hold

555
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: on to that thought. Well, we take a quick break,

556
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: so we are back, and have you been thinking about

557
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: sulfur for the like thirty seconds that we've been gone when.

558
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: We sat here in silence for the full ads? Yeah,

559
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 2: all I did was think of us.

560
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: I said a timer. I was like, this is where

561
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: the ads go. We've got a method, We've got it.

562
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: And then Katie just she says, we'll be right back,

563
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 2: and then she looks off into the distance and does

564
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: not speak to me. No, we're on video.

565
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: She doesn't speak to me. I'm on standby mode.

566
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: Wait, and then she comes back.

567
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: This is how this is how I get the realistic experience.

568
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: Like if the audience feels like they're the only ones

569
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: who have to listen to ads and like wait patiently

570
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: during that time, that's unfair. There's gotta be some fairness.

571
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, sulfur it's not it's not great, right, Like

572
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: the smell isn't good.

573
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: It's rough.

574
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: We there there.

575
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: We have the largest natural hot springs, actual pool in Colorado.

576
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: It's in this place called Glownin Springs. And I used

577
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: to do my I was on swim team and we

578
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: would go there in the morning and do swim team

579
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: in this pool. Oh and throughout the summer, my skin

580
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: just smelled like sulfur.

581
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: Huh. That's interesting. Yeah, like that you would do that

582
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: because it's general Like if it's too sulfuric, Uh, it

583
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: can be you know, not good for the body.

584
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: No, my hair would turn green too.

585
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's a good sign. That's always healthy. That's

586
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: that's what doctors say. Hair turns green a day keeps

587
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: the doctor away, mostly because we don't want to touch you.

588
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: I was building up bacteria as a protecting you're just.

589
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: Like covered in fur. But yeah, so it's interesting that

590
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: you mention Colorado because there is a famous sulfur cave

591
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: in Steamboat Springs, Colorado that contains a very amazing animal.

592
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: It's another tube. It's a sulfur worm. So a sulfur

593
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: cave is not a good place for a human. It's

594
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: not like a great place for the casual splunker because

595
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: they contain lethal levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide.

596
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: So the air is I mean, first of all, the

597
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: smell is bad, like a fart, but then it's a

598
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: fart that kills you.

599
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 2: This is horrendous. I'm just like looking up other pictures

600
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: of these worms and I and the NPR story says,

601
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: sulfur cave in Colorado home to blood red worm blobs.

602
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: Yep, they look like I don't know, because they're all

603
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: bundled together right in a blob, so they look a

604
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: little bit like a plate of spaghetti. But it's worms.

605
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: And they're red, yeah, deep deep red, almost a brown yeah.

606
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you want to go into one of

607
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: these sulfur caves that these sulfur worm balls live in,

608
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: you have to wear breathing apparatus, and because there are

609
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: also pools of sulfuric acid that can burn your flesh

610
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: off if you stay in it too long, you have

611
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: to wear protective equipment all over your body. So, yeah,

612
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: so there is there are actually only a few sulfur

613
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: caves in the world, and one of them is in

614
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: Steamboat Springs, Colorado. I assume you've never been in this cave,

615
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: despite growing up in Colorado.

616
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: I regretfully haven't. Yeah, I haven't been in this terrible

617
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: cave with these terrible animals.

618
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: You just turned your hair green with sulfur. It's like

619
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: this baby stuff.

620
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm realizing now that, yeah, that's the case. But I

621
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: am I'm thankful that these worms they knew what they

622
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: knew this situation. They knew that they were disgusting and gross,

623
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: and they were like, let's just live somewhere where we're

624
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: out of sight. Yeah, humans don't go.

625
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like they didn't expect researchers to try

626
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: to find them, and now we're like ew, gross, and

627
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: they're like, we know, that's why we're in here. Get out.

628
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: We came in here on purpose for you.

629
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like when I'm sick and snotty and gross

630
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: and then someone comes to my door, maybe there's a delivery,

631
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: maybe there's marketer or something, and it's like, look, I know,

632
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm horror fine to look at, but this is you

633
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: brought this on yourself by coming to my sulfur cave

634
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: and like poking at my writhing mass, which is myself

635
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: of of worms.

636
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: Quite an image you've painted.

637
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the cave is full of crystal structures, a huge,

638
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: huge amount of bacteria, and yeah, these balls of brownish pink,

639
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: slimy worms. So uh, researchers, I mean, so researchers are

640
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: interesting because they'll do things that you normally wouldn't do

641
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: because they have some kind of like thirst for knowledge

642
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: or whatever. And so yeah, they go into these highly

643
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: toxic environments and check out the worms. Researchers like David

644
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: Steinmann of the Denver Museum of Nature and Sciences. Uh,

645
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: and they're interested in how the worms live in such

646
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: a toxic environment. Uh. And apparently the worm's blood is

647
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: able to bind to oxygen much better than most animals.

648
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: And I think David Steinman has his quote where he's

649
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: like saying something to the effect of like, yeah, athletes

650
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: would love to have warm blood, which you know is

651
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: one way to say things.

652
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: Well, that's why people go to Colorado to train, right,

653
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: because your blood has to oxygen ate better up there,

654
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: so they even better in these caves.

655
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta. I mean it's just like,

656
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: imagine a scandal at the Olympics where you find out

657
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: someone's been juicing with warm blood.

658
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: I think you'd be like, well, good, good work. That's

659
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: a hard thing. You had to go collect those, that's

660
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: not easy. You got to get a whole suit for that. Yeah,

661
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: I mean really, how to extract the blood?

662
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you know, like people carbo load before a

663
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: race by eating a big plate of spaghetti, maybe they

664
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: like blood load by eating a big plate of these

665
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: sulfur worms. You'd probably die, but you know, you gotta

666
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: do it for the gains.

667
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: You gotta do it for the Tour de front. I

668
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: don't know if I've told you, Katie, I don't do

669
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: great with blood. Oh, it's like a phobia of mine.

670
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's very common, which is comforting. To me,

671
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: it means that maybe we're right, but I get this,

672
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: just like the idea of these little tubes of blood

673
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: is making me ride like maybe in a little bit,

674
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: I'll light down on my floor.

675
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, yeah, no, I mean, well, you know.

676
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I mean this is a little

677
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: bit of a tangent, but it's sort of related to

678
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: human evolution. One of the I will not mention blood

679
00:39:59,280 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: in detail.

680
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 2: He it's okay, it's fine.

681
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: All right, I'll mention blood in detail, get to get

682
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: to the viscosity of the blood. No, but yeah, it's

683
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: like the phobia of blood is. One of the theories

684
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: is that if you see blood and you like the

685
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: vasovagel response to blood where you faint, it may be

686
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: a defensive tactic to basically be like, oh, I'm bleeding

687
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: while I'm dead, so you can not bother me anymore.

688
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: Oh it's like to deal with bears.

689
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: Right exactly. And just for some people, like I get

690
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: a I will sometimes have a vasal veagel response not

691
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: to not to blood, but to like being like punctured,

692
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: like with a with a needle, so like not It's

693
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: interesting because it depends on like, uh, if I'm just

694
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: getting like a flu shot, it doesn't matter. But if

695
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna getting like a vena puncture, I can get

696
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: the vasovagel response for some reason. So it's like, you know,

697
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: you just sort of it is a a sort of

698
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: automatic response your body has and you don't have any

699
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: control over it. So it's nothing to be ashamed of.

700
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a It's like in clinical settings, it's worse

701
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: for me in the same way like drawing blood, seeing

702
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: a scalpel go into skin and then the blood that

703
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: erupts from that. Yeah, that kind of stuff is uh,

704
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: that's what really does it for me. Emergency situations feels late,

705
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: and I mean emergency outside will hospitle Like out in

706
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: the world, if I saw blood, I think it it

707
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't It wouldn't bother me as much as intentional blood. Interesting.

708
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I think that we have we

709
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: have discovered today that these little warmies, these little tubes,

710
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: they are quite a bit more hearty than they seem,

711
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: and they will live anywhere they can possibly find a

712
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: niche or a crevice. Uh, and just like do their thing,

713
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: do their little to be warmy thing. Good.

714
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: Just stay out of my eyesight is all I'm asking

715
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: of these worms, just like be be in these plates,

716
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: stay in these like remote spots where humans aren't supposed

717
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: to go.

718
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: I'll be even more generous and say, just like stay

719
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: out of my eyeballs, like don't go into my eyes.

720
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: And then you're fine, Like I'll look at you. But

721
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: if you try to get into my vitreous fluid, that's

722
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: where I draw the line. That's my boundary.

723
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,479
Speaker 2: It happens sometimes right with like parasitic worms, like people

724
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: will see it streaming across the eyeball.

725
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I watched that documentary too, Yeah yeah, yeah.

726
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: I In general, again, it's interesting. I have a very

727
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: high tolerance for parasites. It's the ones that you can see,

728
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: like the ones where you like see them under people's

729
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: skin that I call it quits. At that point, I'm like, well,

730
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: it's yeah, yeah, it's.

731
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: A lot probably where that needle fear calms from. You've

732
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: got this invasive species. That's this invasive thing that's just

733
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: like under your skin and right there, and.

734
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so before we go, we gotta play a little game.

735
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I remember.

736
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: This is the guests who's squawking mystery animal sound game.

737
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: Every week I play mister Animal sound and you the listener,

738
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: and you the guests, trying to guess who's squawking.

739
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

740
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: Last week's mister Animal sound HIMT was this this foxy

741
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: little feller loves a banane. That's it's a banana. I

742
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: want it to be clear, I'm saying banana. I'm just

743
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: saying banana in a fun way. Clear.

744
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: It's from the songes.

745
00:43:46,080 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: All right, look here it is. I'm I I just

746
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: I want to watch this whole video. So again, the

747
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: hint is this foxy little feller loves a banana?

748
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that animal sounds like it's in pure joy.

749
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: What it is?

750
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: It's really enjoying itself. Can I guess what that animal is?

751
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: You can guess what that animal is.

752
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Fennec fox?

753
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: No, damn it. Congratulations to Grant W, Aaron K and

754
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: joe In who all gets correctly the flying fox. So

755
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: this is a megabat. You were right, Soren that it

756
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: isn't pure bliss though, So you got that right. You

757
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: read the room correctly. It is being petted h and

758
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: it's enjoying. Little head scratches. I'm actually I'm gonna give

759
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: you the video because yeah, I it makes me so happy.

760
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: I just want to give you that for an hour

761
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: later whenever you want it, because it is the best video. So,

762
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: the gray headed flying fox is the largest bat in Australia,

763
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: with a wingspan of up to three feet or about

764
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: a meter. They eat pollen, nectar, and fruit, and while

765
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: the banana is not indigenous to Australia and bat rescues,

766
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: they are a popular treat for the bats in their care.

767
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: So baby flying foxes must cling to their mothers, who

768
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: will even fly with a baby attached to them, but

769
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: sometimes the babies will fall off the mother, typically because

770
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: of disease or ticks that we can either the baby

771
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: bat or the mother. And because the gray headed flying

772
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: fox is a vulnerable species in Australia, bat rescuers will

773
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: gather the abandoned baby bats, wrap them in little blankies

774
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: and feed the milk, and when they're older, they'll hand

775
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: feed them fruit just like precious little packages. Have you

776
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: ever seen like a baby bat wrapped in a little

777
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: baby blanket getting feda grape?

778
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's universal. As soon as you

779
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: said that, I was like, oh, yeah, I've seen a

780
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 2: swaddled bat. Yeah, getting getting fed fruit. That's yeah, exactly

781
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: like something i'd see.

782
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: It's probably a flying fox. So this particular flying fox

783
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: is in the care of a professional Sydney Wildlife bat

784
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: rescuer named Mandy Griffith and was rescued with the intent

785
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: to release, but was too injured and so is now

786
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: a pampered educational bat. So just as a reminder, like,

787
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: don't pet wild bats even I know that sound is

788
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: like the most heavenly cute sound you've ever heard, and

789
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: this is like mean of me to play it and

790
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: then say like, sorry, don't pet them, but it is

791
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: true because they do like you don't want to mess

792
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: with bats in terms of transmitting diseases too and from them,

793
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: and bat rescuers are professional bat handlers who have been

794
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: fully vaccinated to prevent the spread of diseases.

795
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: That freaked me up a little. It feels like an

796
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: inner specie ba interspecies. Viruses are like not a thing

797
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 2: that's even on my radar. It's like, I think I

798
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: can think of the getting colds from people, but getting

799
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: something from my cat, or like getting something from an

800
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: animal like a frog or something like that, I'm like,

801
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: oh no, wait, they can do that viruses jump from

802
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: one to another.

803
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean there were I don't know if you heard

804
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: about this, but we had a little, a little incident

805
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: a few years ago.

806
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: No, that was creating the lab that's crazy.

807
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean it's I mean, there's multiple reasons, right, Like,

808
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: because you know it's a wild animal. You don't want

809
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: to like mess with wild animals. They generally don't appreciate

810
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: being pet It's just in this very specific and charming situation,

811
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: this bat was abandoned due to unfortunate circumstances, and it's

812
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: two hundred to be released. So in this very special

813
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: set of circum stances, it's okay for this person to

814
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: pet this bat, and now we all get to enjoy

815
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: it through listening to the bat's delightful little squeaks as

816
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: it's getting scritcheed and scratchyed.

817
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: That's really kind, it's really nice.

818
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: It's I don't know what it is, but baby bat

819
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: videos Like I it's pure serotonin. It's just it's like

820
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: the opposite of getting getting a vena puncture. It's like

821
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: the opposite feeling of the vasovagel response. It's like my

822
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: brain just goes into hyperdrive. Of like being happy with us.

823
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: This is a nice palate cleanser from blood worms in

824
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: a sulfur cave.

825
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, from being from horrible tubes to cute little bats

826
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: making squeaky noises. Yeah, cu tubes, very very cute, flying,

827
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: cute fluffy tubes.

828
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

829
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: Onto this week's mystery animals sound. The hint if you've

830
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: got happy feet, This is not a sound you want

831
00:48:59,560 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: to hear?

832
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: Are you allowed to give me? If I asked a question?

833
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

834
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: Is that happening underwater?

835
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: It is?

836
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: Indeed, there's a free hint for y'alls, thanks to Soren.

837
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, do stingrays make a noise? Is that a stingray?

838
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: No? A? Well, you will find out on next episode

839
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: of Creature Feature. If you out there think you know

840
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: who is making this sound, you can write to me

841
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. Soorn, thank

842
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: you so much for joining me today and talking about

843
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: the wonderful, wild and sometimes just horrible and devastating world

844
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: of worms. Thank you for having me on.

845
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: And I've enjoyed this time and I will think about

846
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: how everything is too from now on.

847
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look a little bit a little stricken from

848
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: that realization and to be honest. Uh, where can people

849
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: find you?

850
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Soorren Underscore Ltd.

851
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: You can find me on my podcast, which is a

852
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: Quick Question with Sorn and Daniel, which is a podcast

853
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: that I do with Daniel O'Brien who was also from

854
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: Crack where we all grew up.

855
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we grew up together in school which was cracked.

856
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

857
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: Remember remember missus cracked cracked, Missus cracked.

858
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: Look, I like how you gave up on that, and

859
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: you're like, I'll give her a name. No, let's just

860
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: do crack missus craps. No.

861
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to say that. Even that was not

862
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: even intitional. Uh.

863
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: And you can also find my episodes of my show

864
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: called American Dad. When I say my show the show

865
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: that I that, I that you can find episodes of

866
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 2: American Dad on Hulu or you can go watch you

867
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: on TVs.

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Speaker 1: And thank you guys so much for listening. If you're

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Speaker 1: you write, you know, you write a review, I will

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Speaker 1: read it. I read all the reviews and you know

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Speaker 1: thanks to the Space Classics for their super awesome song

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Speaker 1: what do we want to do? See you next Wednesday?

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