Speaker 1: I just want to say this, there is no substitute
Speaker 1: for winning. I know that's a cliche, but we must win.
Speaker 1: We will win. When is the name of the game.
Speaker 1: The following He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is he is
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters
Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. To the goal line. Got tit? No,
Speaker 1: Your hosts, Micky Spagnola, Robbed Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones.
Speaker 1: And there you had it right off the top, thirty
Speaker 1: one years ago today, Jerry Jones taking over the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine, and this is
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Bill Jones, would
Speaker 1: Mike you, Spagnola, heck Ma Harrison and Everson Walls? Everson,
Speaker 1: what did you think on that day thirty one years
Speaker 1: ago today? At that time, I was happy when he
Speaker 1: first went down. I thought this was the best thing
Speaker 1: that ever happened. He made me a captain as the
Speaker 1: first the first organization that ever made me a captain
Speaker 1: in my entire life, going back to Peewee League High
Speaker 1: school and nothing, and when they made me captain like Davin,
Speaker 1: this is what I've been waiting on. I'm having some walls.
Speaker 1: I'm from Dallas, Texas. I deserved this. Where were you
Speaker 1: on this day when the announcement was made? I really
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you, but I can tell you what I
Speaker 1: was the night before. I was hanging out with Jerry
Speaker 1: and and uh the organization, Jerry and Missus Jones, me
Speaker 1: and my wife. Yeah we we Foozies. You have Foozies.
Speaker 1: You have a member Foosies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: where we hung out. That's where we hung out. I thought, man,
Speaker 1: me and Jerry were gonna be big buds, great friends,
Speaker 1: like I'm a company man. Now I don't even know
Speaker 1: what to how to acts. That didn't last long at all.
Speaker 1: But we'll get into more of our memories coming up
Speaker 1: in just a little bit. What exactly um our memories
Speaker 1: of twenty five or thirty one years ago today February
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine. And uh, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of sorts of other things going on right now too,
Speaker 1: including Cris Beam talking in my ear incessantly. And hopefully
Speaker 1: that was just very quickly. I thought, I'm not getting
Speaker 1: I'm not getting paid enough to have all this in
Speaker 1: my ear. What's going on? You thought the XFL you
Speaker 1: got someone talking in your hell, but the whole thing
Speaker 1: all the way, that's what you do. Take your head.
Speaker 1: But there's so much to talk about because the combine
Speaker 1: is underway, and we'll break it down this way. About this,
Speaker 1: we'll talk because Steven talked yesterday. We're gonna hear it
Speaker 1: from Stephen coming up here. Um talked about the DAK contract,
Speaker 1: all the things going on at the combine right now.
Speaker 1: I think this is a great time of the year
Speaker 1: because this is basically kicks off the offseason. I mean
Speaker 1: this is you know, the agents are also in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Some work can get done. You got a CBA that
Speaker 1: needs to get done. If the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: do the business they want to get done. And Um,
Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that what the Cowboys need to
Speaker 1: do as far as the contracts go and the CBA,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk combo. They need to actually start talking.
Speaker 1: It's exactly right. And we will talk as well about
Speaker 1: our memories from thirty one years ago. But it's also
Speaker 1: Fat Tuesday, So I got my purple on. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: I got my baby from my kincake all the way in.
Speaker 1: I just had my baby in the you know what.
Speaker 1: They were kind of lazy. His feet were like hanging out.
Speaker 1: It were lazy to making it me and my daughter
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's the baby right there. But it
Speaker 1: was good. No suspense, no suspension. Well, I've already cheated
Speaker 1: on my diet today. So Fat Tuesday, rock Ada bought
Speaker 1: in donuts so I had to have of course, of course,
Speaker 1: I think it's a National pancake Day. That was just
Speaker 1: my my my Internet told me to do well, Good
Speaker 1: Morning America had pancakes for everybody. It would make sense.
Speaker 1: On Fat Tuesday, he sat, weeks get a staff. I've
Speaker 1: not had any today. No, no, no, I won't have
Speaker 1: any today. Well, Margaret, eitherday? That was what? Yes, how
Speaker 1: drunk did you get? Bill? That's why my wife was
Speaker 1: drinking so many of our garators on Friday. All right,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones talks yesterday, and you know this whole CBA thing,
Speaker 1: it sounds like for the cowboys to do the business
Speaker 1: they want to get done with Dak Prescott and his
Speaker 1: agent Todd France. They need to get this CBA done. Mickey,
Speaker 1: they need it done, but if it gets done, then
Speaker 1: they're gonna lose the transition tag also, so there's some
Speaker 1: ramifications for getting it done and not getting it done.
Speaker 1: Um also, but if it gets done, it might wipe
Speaker 1: out the thirty percent rule going into the last year
Speaker 1: of the official CBA that's in place. And that's what
Speaker 1: Stephen alluded to yesterday, because, um, you can't mess with
Speaker 1: the base salaries. They can't go up or down by
Speaker 1: more than thirty percent from year to year. So normally
Speaker 1: when they do these big contracts, they'll they'll tell the player, well,
Speaker 1: you just got twenty million in a signing bonus, let's say,
Speaker 1: and so your base salary this year is only going
Speaker 1: to be one million dollars and that'll help us on
Speaker 1: the cap. But if it's only one million dollars this year,
Speaker 1: then it can only go up thirty percent the next year.
Speaker 1: So I think that does that mean it's three million
Speaker 1: dollars whatever? So yeah, because because because you can't say, okay,
Speaker 1: now you get eleven million in twenty twenty one. So
Speaker 1: it's pretty complicated and it cannot bload the contract the exactly,
Speaker 1: and a lot of those contracts were always backloaded, right,
Speaker 1: those last years they had money that wasn't guaranteed to
Speaker 1: count in the big total. So somebody can say, oh,
Speaker 1: I got one hundred and thirty five million dollars deal
Speaker 1: when the guarantees only one hundred and there's thirty five
Speaker 1: million on the back end. That's bogus. And that also
Speaker 1: helps the teams with the cap as well. Right, they
Speaker 1: can kind of play with that exactly. And Mickey, this
Speaker 1: is a ten year deal, correct, It would be a
Speaker 1: ten year deal. That's what they're looking at. And one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why the NFL wants to get it
Speaker 1: done and maybe why the players think they have a
Speaker 1: little leverages. If they get it done for ten years,
Speaker 1: they can start negotiating a TV contract right away and
Speaker 1: promise the networks, hey, we've got ten years of a
Speaker 1: collective bargain agreement, so we're not in jeopardy of any
Speaker 1: strike or anything like that. And the players and allows
Speaker 1: them to ask for more money, and especially if you
Speaker 1: get a seventeenth game, right because now you've got more
Speaker 1: revenue coming in, you've got more product to give them.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things. But the players don't
Speaker 1: get paid per game. They would get paid one. That
Speaker 1: would turn it to one. That's one of the sticking points,
Speaker 1: right Perhaps because they're staying seventeenth game, they're they're maxing
Speaker 1: it as is the current agreement is put together, it
Speaker 1: max out at two hundred and fifty for that last game,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand for the last game, So
Speaker 1: you would get played one seventeenth for the first seventeen weeks,
Speaker 1: and then that last week everybody gets to it. That's
Speaker 1: for existing contracts, okay, Yeah, for for players who would
Speaker 1: be under contract when that would take effect, which at
Speaker 1: the earliest would be not twenty twenty but twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: So the player reps, I think there are The executive
Speaker 1: committee on the NFLPA with the players will meet with
Speaker 1: the owners today. It must happened later this afternoon. When
Speaker 1: they voted initially it was six to five not to
Speaker 1: agree to it. And so there's a lot of questions, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of questions that the owners are going to
Speaker 1: have to answer and strictly majority, you don't have to
Speaker 1: have a If they know that the yeah, and then
Speaker 1: if they agree, then they'll give it to the players.
Speaker 1: The entire played a recommended to a vote for the players. Now,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of there are a lot of
Speaker 1: sticking points in this CBA that the players have to
Speaker 1: pay attention to because it is a ten year deal
Speaker 1: and a lot of the guys that's even negotiating the
Speaker 1: deal won't even be a part maybe won't be a
Speaker 1: part of the NFL. So for all of those points
Speaker 1: when I was I was reading today that the point
Speaker 1: or the percentages five five billion dollars and the half
Speaker 1: is two point five billion dollars. So there are a
Speaker 1: lot of things at staking. The one thing that I
Speaker 1: keep seeing through the media as far as the seventeenth game,
Speaker 1: but also you know, the drug testing part of it.
Speaker 1: I think that's a major part that a lot of
Speaker 1: the players have been interested in. But there's way more.
Speaker 1: I think there's way more to the CBA than just
Speaker 1: the you know, being drug tested two weeks before OTAs
Speaker 1: or before the season that these guys have to pay,
Speaker 1: you know, play, pay attention to because there's so much
Speaker 1: hanging in the balance for them as opposed to like
Speaker 1: when you were in the in the league in eighty
Speaker 1: two when there was a strike, you know that you
Speaker 1: have the mom mom but the revenue, but as far
Speaker 1: as the revenue, as far as the revenue UH, and
Speaker 1: the and the network, as far as the sharing. Now
Speaker 1: in comparison, we're talking about billions of dollars now to
Speaker 1: the sharing the percentage we were I don't think we
Speaker 1: were sharing in eighty two. There was nothing about sharing.
Speaker 1: We were bringing it up, but it had not even
Speaker 1: come into fruition. I don't believe until eighty seven is
Speaker 1: when we really started talking about having the real It
Speaker 1: was the reality that we could profit sharing some way.
Speaker 1: You know. Hack brought up the drug policy and it
Speaker 1: significantly changes for marijuana. I was going to ask you
Speaker 1: if if it had any tolerance this time, if it
Speaker 1: go up to the time. Yeah. The proposal says it'll
Speaker 1: narrow the testing window of THHC from four months to
Speaker 1: two weeks at the start of training camp. So even
Speaker 1: if you're you're to rather than at the start of
Speaker 1: the offseason. Price exact. So that tells you when it
Speaker 1: is so I watch test serious. Unless you got a
Speaker 1: serious problem, you ought to be able to quit. We
Speaker 1: always knew when it was right, and now it's only
Speaker 1: a two week wind. It also reduces the penalties to
Speaker 1: players who test positive for THHC eliminating any game suspension
Speaker 1: for strictly for positive tests. Well, and that the question is, Mickey,
Speaker 1: what the players be willing to leverage as much as
Speaker 1: they have on the table right now just for drug testing.
Speaker 1: I mean because even for yes, as far as the
Speaker 1: insurance is concerned, as far as you know, guys having
Speaker 1: insurance coverage after they're playing days. I mean, if that's
Speaker 1: the case, think about it this way. Okay, the veteran
Speaker 1: players are thinking like you. The guys that are one, two,
Speaker 1: three years in the league that think they're playing for
Speaker 1: another five ain't worried about that stuff because they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not forward thinking. Yeah, they're thinking about, Okay, if
Speaker 1: I'm smoking marijuana today, I can play in a month
Speaker 1: or I'm not going to get punished games. So they're
Speaker 1: thinking about themselves. The other thing, it also increases the
Speaker 1: nanogram limit. So it's the I tried to read up
Speaker 1: as much as I could. It's the it's the level. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be tested. It's the player. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to know what they were doing. Because the
Speaker 1: nanogram level limit went from thirty five think about this,
Speaker 1: thirty five to one fifty. Yeah, and that's per mill
Speaker 1: leader of blood in your body. Okay, so that's a
Speaker 1: huge And what I was reading is fifty is usually
Speaker 1: kind of the cutoff from a driving standpoint to see
Speaker 1: if you're intoxicated or not. So now it's one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty for the league for you to test positive.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of towers. And I always thought
Speaker 1: that would be one of the number one sticking points. Wow. Well,
Speaker 1: when you negotiation evolution about thinking, you know, mat wine
Speaker 1: has always been where it is, but you know, we've
Speaker 1: just we were thinking about it differently now with a
Speaker 1: lot more tolerance and regards to not just society, but
Speaker 1: in regards to medicine. You know, so now when you're
Speaker 1: talking about opioids versus a CBD, I thought it'd be
Speaker 1: even more tolerance and even put something in there to
Speaker 1: where they might even use it in regards to pain tolerance,
Speaker 1: and that obviously is not in there at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, when I looked at it, and they
Speaker 1: made it about you know, smoking marijuana and just looking
Speaker 1: at the players what they have to lose if they
Speaker 1: make a bad deal. I mean, I guess my parents
Speaker 1: always said youth has wasted on the young, and this
Speaker 1: would be a bad decision to leverage that much just
Speaker 1: to be able to smoke pot in the offseason. They
Speaker 1: have to be forward thinking about this because they have
Speaker 1: so much to lose. And as far as the guys
Speaker 1: that played the game before them that had to deal
Speaker 1: with those stipulations, I know a lot of societal issues
Speaker 1: and dealing with the optics is a big part of
Speaker 1: what the NFL is into. But also just thinking about
Speaker 1: those guys that have played the game that need coverage
Speaker 1: now when they look back over their careers, that that's important.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they are talking about anything
Speaker 1: for guys, let's say pre nineties guys that actually made
Speaker 1: the game what it is. And so to the average
Speaker 1: fan that's having to work a job to get drug tested,
Speaker 1: they don't understand a guy that would give up that
Speaker 1: much just to because again, when you look at the
Speaker 1: CBA and the amount of money that guys would be
Speaker 1: turning down or getting that, your average working Joe doesn't
Speaker 1: understand why a guy would turn down the contract based
Speaker 1: off of those numbers, because hey, for me myself, I
Speaker 1: shake a coconut out a tree for a million dollars,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean literally see me shaking the tree.
Speaker 1: You really, you really can't look at what you know,
Speaker 1: the average working Joel is doing. Don't don't compare football
Speaker 1: players to that. That's always been the mistake. Okay, you
Speaker 1: keep talking about not just you, but fans have always said, well,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they're trying to make this much money.
Speaker 1: They said they when we were playing, that's always gonna
Speaker 1: be were making how much in nineteen eighty three three
Speaker 1: I made thirty seven fire you go, yeah, yeah. For
Speaker 1: the proposal for the former players, retroactive would increase five
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars a month for all pre twenty
Speaker 1: twelve vested players, so whatever they're getting, it would raise, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: And then it would also expand pension bill eligibility to
Speaker 1: all former players with three credited seasons. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it used to. It has always been three? Has
Speaker 1: it always been three? Okay? Uh? And creation of a
Speaker 1: new network of hospitals in each team city for former
Speaker 1: players to receive no cost physicals, preventive care, mental health consoling,
Speaker 1: and outpatient orthopedic servi services coverage UH common to surgeries
Speaker 1: to be phased in during the course of the deal.
Speaker 1: So that's wonderful. That's kind of an increase for the
Speaker 1: former players. So yeah, it's it's pretty comprehensive, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot to think about other than just uh increasing
Speaker 1: the minimum wage by one hundred thousand dollars and the
Speaker 1: minimum for the rookies ninety thousand. So and again, if
Speaker 1: they if the biggest one might be the share, right
Speaker 1: it's forty seven percent right now, and now it would
Speaker 1: go up to as much as forty eight five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if they sell more for games that are going
Speaker 1: to be played a seventeenth game, then that's going to
Speaker 1: go up too. So we'll see what they decide today
Speaker 1: and if there's a vote, and this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: could be decided by Thursday. All right, how about Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott And let's hear from Stephen Jones and what he
Speaker 1: was saying about Dak Prescott with the possibility of a
Speaker 1: franchise tag looming over the heads of everybody, franchise tag,
Speaker 1: is it accured to say it would be the exclusive variety?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to get into any of
Speaker 1: the details of the contract and franchising and that type
Speaker 1: of thing. Our goal is to get it done with Dak,
Speaker 1: and I know he wants to be here and we
Speaker 1: want him to be here long term, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's our guy. You know, we've got nothing but the
Speaker 1: highest regards for him, and we want to get the
Speaker 1: deal done. And Stephen Jones said that he was surprised
Speaker 1: they didn't get a deal done back in September and
Speaker 1: they haven't had talks since September. Yeah, he was. It
Speaker 1: was just kind of like, uh, you know one of
Speaker 1: my ex girlfriends. I mean, you know, she didn't call me,
Speaker 1: I didn't call her, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm Mari just somebody else, So you know it, that's
Speaker 1: how it happened. Why Stephen is Stephen is quick to
Speaker 1: point out Dak's not going to another girlfriend, okay. And
Speaker 1: then and then the other key, the other key thing
Speaker 1: we have to be aware of is they've pushed back
Speaker 1: when you can start with the franchise tag from today
Speaker 1: till Thursday, which pushes the end from the March tenth
Speaker 1: to the twelfth. Okay, So they've pushed it back, hoping
Speaker 1: that this whole thing gets settled hopefully before that. So
Speaker 1: it's just because the tag starts on the twenty seventh
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you got to give it to him on
Speaker 1: the twenty seventh. You still got however, many more days
Speaker 1: in March twelve. Let's look at all the contract negotiations.
Speaker 1: I mean, the importance of this contract negotiation. Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard that type of a response and with glosson
Speaker 1: why we didn't get it done? Like what we just
Speaker 1: didn't call them, They didn't just call us. It's like
Speaker 1: the sense of urgency just left. Well. And because there's
Speaker 1: no deadline, and I've always realized in these negotiations, if
Speaker 1: there's a deadline, then it gets done like a real deadline,
Speaker 1: not an artificial deadline. And Stephen, I don't know if
Speaker 1: the guys have the bite or not. When Steven talked
Speaker 1: about why it didn't get done, if you guys have it,
Speaker 1: it was about I think they were pretty entrenched and
Speaker 1: if you guys got it, he can play it. Otherwise
Speaker 1: I'll read it to you. Well, go ahead, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Stephen said, they were pretty entrenched with their thoughts, and
Speaker 1: we were pretty entrenched with our thoughts. You know why
Speaker 1: they were so entrenched with their thoughts because Dak knew
Speaker 1: he was going to have a great season. He knew
Speaker 1: he was gonna put up numbers. He had knowledge about
Speaker 1: this Cowboys offense that none of us had going into
Speaker 1: the season. It was the twenty third ranked pass offense
Speaker 1: in the league the previous year. We if anyone would
Speaker 1: have said this is going to be the number one
Speaker 1: or two ranked pass offense in the league, we would
Speaker 1: have said, you're crazy, it's not gonna happen. He knew
Speaker 1: what was being implemented and how they were going to
Speaker 1: attack things as far as this offense goes this year,
Speaker 1: and he knew the money's not going down. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the only risk he had was getting hurt. That's for
Speaker 1: rind at that time. Was Kellen Moore. That's right, he knew, right,
Speaker 1: he had information. Yeah, I got that kind of to
Speaker 1: me though. That gives you an indication of what they
Speaker 1: were asking for, which was not in line of obviously
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys were offering. And the key thing and
Speaker 1: this whole thing when I hear people say, well, just
Speaker 1: get it done. What are you waiting on? You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta pay. We don't know what they're asking right, right,
Speaker 1: they could be asking for fifty million years. Well, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of rooms out there and that's when we
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, so until you know, we kind of
Speaker 1: know where the Cowboys are probably somewhere close to thirty
Speaker 1: million a year in the regular package, not the guarantee,
Speaker 1: because these other guys didn't get guaranteed thirty million a year.
Speaker 1: So and what they're asking we don't know. Now would
Speaker 1: that be two schools of thought, one being from dak
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo two years ago was
Speaker 1: the highest paid quarterback in the NFL, and n now
Speaker 1: that's the not even the tenth highest paid as amongst
Speaker 1: his peers. And so knowing that after the other looming
Speaker 1: tracks that we have from Patrick Mahomes and other guys
Speaker 1: in the league, that two years from now he made,
Speaker 1: his contract may not even be top five top in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and he doesn't have another opportunity to negotiate
Speaker 1: until right now. So all of his value is in
Speaker 1: what he stands for right now at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's life in the United States, right when you
Speaker 1: look at somebody's gonna get paid more than you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: When you look at quarterbacks versus other positions, they have
Speaker 1: more opportunities to get that big contract. You know, I
Speaker 1: think da when you look at it. Even if you
Speaker 1: look at his career, let's just say it goes, say
Speaker 1: maybe thirteen years or whatever, he's still that chance to
Speaker 1: get two more big contracts. Let me give you a
Speaker 1: great saying. And it came from Pat summer All. Several
Speaker 1: years ago. We were at lunch together in our little
Speaker 1: lunch group, and I was trying to explain to him
Speaker 1: why Greg Ellis was unhappy with his contract because he
Speaker 1: signed like a seven year deal, which no one did
Speaker 1: back then, and then all of a sudden, the contracts exploded,
Speaker 1: the cap went up, and now he's not happy to
Speaker 1: those last two or three years and he's totally underpaid.
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, poor poor Gregg, he came along
Speaker 1: too soon. And summer All and his deep voice goes, well,
Speaker 1: we all came around absolutely, So what how do you
Speaker 1: feel about you know, cowboy alumni, you know that are
Speaker 1: saying that, hey, take the deal from Sam to get
Speaker 1: to that. Emma must I had too many hits to
Speaker 1: his head. He would have said that about it Smith
Speaker 1: when he was going through his contract stuff, well, he
Speaker 1: brought instances and examples to where he tried to boost
Speaker 1: his case. He talked about you know, certain players that
Speaker 1: were deferring money, the backloading that we were talking about
Speaker 1: early in this in the ship saying the difference. Then
Speaker 1: that was ninety three and there was no salary cap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he could argue for any money he wanted and
Speaker 1: it was Jerry's money. Now it's Dallas Cowboys money, and
Speaker 1: I think there's a difference. Uh so, m it won't
Speaker 1: be invited to the to the negotiations, think about it.
Speaker 1: That's the contracts signing. Emma didn't sign contracts twice. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say because he hates it when you
Speaker 1: call it a holdout. He was without a con He
Speaker 1: was not there for two games because he wasn't have
Speaker 1: a contract, was pregnant anymore. And then as rookie year,
Speaker 1: he showed up the Tuesday before the season opener trying
Speaker 1: to get a contract. So yeah, he went through it twice.
Speaker 1: You know, Heckma is your example of Garoppolo two years ago,
Speaker 1: average salary twenty seven point five million dollars And now
Speaker 1: here we are two years later and everyone's talking about, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahome is gonna get forty million. You know what,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes waits a little bit longer and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be forty five. And that's the thing for Dak. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dak understands his value is right now. And so that's
Speaker 1: why I don't believe that he's acquiescent to the pressure
Speaker 1: that's being applied, because he understands if he caves now,
Speaker 1: he may not have another opportunity to do this in
Speaker 1: his prime. And so looking at the numbers that are coming,
Speaker 1: that's look he was what's caving well, I mean, caving
Speaker 1: to me is taking a twenty eight thirty thirty million
Speaker 1: dollar deal that became when Garoppolo signed his contract. The
Speaker 1: average guarantee of the contract was fifteen million fifteen million, right,
Speaker 1: So when you look at what the guarantees are, they're
Speaker 1: different than what the total packages. Yeah, because most of
Speaker 1: these guys like Goff and Wentz that the team on
Speaker 1: the guarantee part. Now, they would lose some dead money,
Speaker 1: but they could get out of those contracts after three years.
Speaker 1: They could get out if they failed. Now, do you
Speaker 1: want that contract or do you want a guarantee over
Speaker 1: the course like um kirk Cousins got. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: three years eighty four millions. That's three years eighty four
Speaker 1: million averages twenty eight million a year. So do you
Speaker 1: want his contract or is that not enough? So when
Speaker 1: we're talking about the guarantee, it's different than the total package,
Speaker 1: and I think people need to understand that. All right, Everson,
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Speaker 1: based on GWS one s cour September twenty nineteen. Back
Speaker 1: to talking cowboys. Boy, you've been spy. You are looking
Speaker 1: live the Porge Center, Chrisco, Texas. We've got boxing coming up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: We've got a boxing press conference coming up in a
Speaker 1: little while and then away in on Friday. In on Friday.
Speaker 1: It's Mikey Garcia versus Jesse Vargas boxing Ford Center. Anything
Speaker 1: on the line in that fight, there would be about that.
Speaker 1: To be able to read this press release, my eyes
Speaker 1: aren't good enough to see it. No, it's just Mikey
Speaker 1: Garcia versus Jesse Vargas. That's what it is. Yep, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. As soon as I get down in
Speaker 1: the press release, I'll tell you more about it. All right,
Speaker 1: we are told, Chris Beam says w BC what diamond
Speaker 1: diamond belt, No matter what that is. Okay, that doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like a Championships w BC. They gotta make it important.
Speaker 1: So the y'all watch that fight Saturday. Did I did?
Speaker 1: I did not? You paid the money, Mayor Mickey ten dollars.
Speaker 1: You paid ten of the eighty. Yeah, you had seven
Speaker 1: of your friends there helping pay. Couldn't sit no, I
Speaker 1: couldn't sit on my couch. I had to go somewhere.
Speaker 1: But I saw it. Okay, it was great fight. Me
Speaker 1: and about two one hundred and fifty of my friends
Speaker 1: in the place. Yeah, your friends, Yeah, no one knows,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. I was in Atlanta at the Black
Speaker 1: Cots Hall of Fame, so I didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to watch it. There's hanging out with hammering Hanks. Oh
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. How was that? Oh it was
Speaker 1: you know, I do it all the time. I do
Speaker 1: it all the time. No big deal, all right, I
Speaker 1: saw that Hank. I'm hanking. That's awesome. I thought. I
Speaker 1: thought Fury looked like a bigger and batter Broadness. Oh,
Speaker 1: go on, a lot batter and a lot bigger, six
Speaker 1: nine seventy games, shaved head and he gaged. He didn't
Speaker 1: look anything like Brian Broadness. I thought he did the
Speaker 1: gypsy King. Do you think Tyson Fury looks like Brian
Speaker 1: bro don't? But why from think he's got this larger
Speaker 1: than life? The image of Brian brought us in his head. Okay,
Speaker 1: big head, all right? How you going by just the
Speaker 1: size of the head. And they're both white as white
Speaker 1: can be? No, and he pulled it off. I mean,
Speaker 1: fury man for seven rounds he put it on. He
Speaker 1: put it on. My think. Okay, everyone keeps talking about
Speaker 1: how good to find, how well he fought, and of
Speaker 1: his strategy worked perfectly. But do you think the ear
Speaker 1: situation if you, if you just if you've ever played
Speaker 1: sports before with one ear, you know, no, I had
Speaker 1: to dud slap me one time. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: a different. Yeah. So imagine going seven rounds with one ear,
Speaker 1: so that deuilibrium is gone. The ear blood the entire time,
Speaker 1: Ye came from inside. Yeah, so I think was looking
Speaker 1: the blood that was so nasty. I'm thinking his equilibrium
Speaker 1: when his wife and heck, can you tell me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But not only did he get knocked down
Speaker 1: those two times he lost his balance, A couple didn't
Speaker 1: his legs. His legs didn't look like they were there
Speaker 1: and he hit him. It's almost like he was just
Speaker 1: ready to fall or just that's why he wanted to
Speaker 1: and said all from the blows they wanted that they
Speaker 1: didn't seem to be that pass. And I was really
Speaker 1: happy that his his corner, uh you know, throw in
Speaker 1: the towel because he was in danger if it wentn't
Speaker 1: any further, you know. And a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: guess in this whole macho world that we live, and
Speaker 1: they talk about going out on the shield and nobody
Speaker 1: wants to watch someone die in the ring. And I
Speaker 1: was really happy that the guys say that don't box. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he said that that's what. That's what Deontay Wilder said.
Speaker 1: I'm I hate that they didn't let me go out
Speaker 1: on my shield. And I'm like, man, you would have
Speaker 1: went out on your guarney if they didn't call it.
Speaker 1: And they talked about his corner. Yeah, thank god, he
Speaker 1: saw it about exactly he saw it. Said, man, you
Speaker 1: can't you can't say anything when he when he stopped
Speaker 1: the fight, I thought the referee stopped it and I
Speaker 1: was going, what And then it was like, oh, the
Speaker 1: corner kid, because he wasn't defending he threw the towel in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I measured in my hand. That's what's going
Speaker 1: on at the combine right now. Okay, to all these
Speaker 1: your hand, this hand, size matter, everything does not. It
Speaker 1: does not give me nothing here. I brought to take
Speaker 1: measure from home. Heck, I want you to measure Everson
Speaker 1: Walls my good hand, your left hand, pink. You go
Speaker 1: from the pinky to the thumb. We're in the nine
Speaker 1: over here. He's got larger hands. And I've always thought
Speaker 1: Everson he had so many interceptions, you had to have
Speaker 1: eleven inches. You do not have to have big hands.
Speaker 1: I do have to do is have good eyes. So
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows should not. No one should be concerned about
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. I'm not the ball throwing the ball, catching
Speaker 1: the ball. Now. Of course, it'd be great to have
Speaker 1: Drew Pierce's hands, you know, just huge, long and like
Speaker 1: like spider webs or whatever. Be nice to have like
Speaker 1: a hell I'll call Michael hands. I saw him this
Speaker 1: past weekend, but I just had thee That's why most
Speaker 1: of the time I was going up with two hands,
Speaker 1: you know. But you gotta be able to you gotta
Speaker 1: be able to judge if you can't judge it, no
Speaker 1: matter how big your hands, you can't. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: Biden Jones hands are bigger than mine. How many picks
Speaker 1: does he have shots fired? I'm just what you're another contractor?
Speaker 1: All right, that's pretty good. And by the way, the
Speaker 1: Combine has a slightly different schedule this year. They're they're
Speaker 1: leaning it towards a prime time coverage rather than the
Speaker 1: middle of the day. How much do y'all get into
Speaker 1: watching the Combine? Love it? I watch it every hand.
Speaker 1: It depends on the position. I think he probably likes
Speaker 1: the big guy you're watching, d you're watching, the more players,
Speaker 1: he probably likes the I watch them all. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really enjoy seeing those guys that I'm valling in
Speaker 1: college and get see them get this opportunity. So and
Speaker 1: then especially the forty times really interesting in those in
Speaker 1: like linebacker shutter drills, you know, receiving drills, just seeing guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the shuttle is to me more exciting than all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love I love seeing and just
Speaker 1: seeing those guys that you've projected to go high and
Speaker 1: see how they actually do in some of those drills.
Speaker 1: And when you start talking about these drills the forty times,
Speaker 1: I always thought, why does that tell me how good
Speaker 1: I am? Why is that a barometer on how is
Speaker 1: your time? Forty seven on a bad day, forty six
Speaker 1: on a good day. And so if I'm with the
Speaker 1: wind with a back win, you were okay? When did
Speaker 1: the combine start? I don't know. Before me okay? So
Speaker 1: but to me, he didn't he didn't get an everybody
Speaker 1: to combat. Heck no, I was only I only had
Speaker 1: eleven interceptions my senior year. I guess that don't qualified.
Speaker 1: That's right there. But now when you start talking about
Speaker 1: the drills forty nine time, to me, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a good way to show how good you are.
Speaker 1: The shuttle time, to me, that really shows what the
Speaker 1: actor shuttle back then. They did a shuttle back then,
Speaker 1: but they they should do it for me. They don't
Speaker 1: do it for me. They do a shuttle back then.
Speaker 1: You know, they've added some new drills now that the
Speaker 1: guys actually do drills in practice. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember, and I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 1: The defensive linemen they line up those blocking dummies and
Speaker 1: they have to run in and out of them. Snack
Speaker 1: them around them. They've added that drill, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: tell yeah, because they want to see how guys, as
Speaker 1: far as their mas and theirs, can I get around
Speaker 1: this thing. Slap, go onto the next one. Slap it,
Speaker 1: go on to the next one. And so they've ad it.
Speaker 1: They're timing it, they're adding that drill. So I was
Speaker 1: reading how they've added several drills more applicable to what
Speaker 1: happens in pros than than what they've been. A guy
Speaker 1: going there two twenty five and bench press thirty five times,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, oh my god, it's gott strong.
Speaker 1: He's good. First round like that standing broad drops twelve
Speaker 1: feet outstanding. I mean, what was your standing, Brodect. I
Speaker 1: think Byron's got you on that. I bet he did.
Speaker 1: He got all of that. No, I think I may
Speaker 1: have gotten about nine something like that. It wasn't amazing.
Speaker 1: My thing was this. I was a basketball player, and
Speaker 1: so you talk about the shuttle and things that, you know,
Speaker 1: we did gases in basketball practice. I love that. I
Speaker 1: loved it. I looked forward to gas because I was
Speaker 1: good at it, you know, just running the lines, and
Speaker 1: to me, that shows the agility that you need the
Speaker 1: footwork that you're gonna need to me. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a drill that really shows all in one what kind
Speaker 1: of athlete you're looking at, you know, having your hands,
Speaker 1: you know, not figuring that, not figuring that into the equation,
Speaker 1: but just the ability to use your body to see
Speaker 1: how a person exactly, I can evaluate a person running
Speaker 1: the shuttle better than I can running the floor. So
Speaker 1: you think you would have had a sub four second
Speaker 1: twenty yard shuttle, Well, I know I would have. I
Speaker 1: was very good anytime after practice I was. I was
Speaker 1: in shape. I was always in shape. I was always
Speaker 1: in shape more than anyone on the team. Dips uh
Speaker 1: the medicine ball we used to do. Me and Dennis
Speaker 1: Thurman did so many it was no big deal. So
Speaker 1: when you evaluate evaluate, So the short shuttle is something
Speaker 1: you would look at the short shuttle time. We're talking
Speaker 1: about change of directions for the movement. Okay, those are
Speaker 1: the things that matter back, Yeah, how quickly do you
Speaker 1: go from one point to the other, not how fast? Okay,
Speaker 1: quickness is one thing. Fast is another thing. So I
Speaker 1: always like the quickness more and that's how I made
Speaker 1: my living. But about your critical vertical was good. It
Speaker 1: was got at thirty three back then. That was good.
Speaker 1: Thirty three was all I needed and my arms along,
Speaker 1: so everything compensates for the other. And in my mind anyway,
Speaker 1: now this with the new b Jones at a forty
Speaker 1: four and a half, yeah, wow, I mean up out
Speaker 1: of I remember Ron Springs Son, Sean Springs. It was
Speaker 1: something ridiculous like that forty seven thirty six that was
Speaker 1: to me, that was ridiculous at the time, thirty eight
Speaker 1: at that time. Alright, I've got Byron Jones numbers called
Speaker 1: up here. Okay, six nine okay, ten inch hands, forty
Speaker 1: four and a half vertical and that broad jump was
Speaker 1: twelve for you, wasn't it. That's what I thought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. He it was a record. I'll distanced
Speaker 1: everyone by nine inches. Yeah. His cone his cone drill
Speaker 1: was six point seven eight okay, and his short shuttle
Speaker 1: was three ninety four. Yeah. That's good. That's impressive. That
Speaker 1: is well. Yeah, he was. He was the darling of
Speaker 1: the combat. That's why he can cover. Well, Mickey, I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you as far as the new
Speaker 1: coaching staff being at the combine and evaluating players, and
Speaker 1: we're still kind of in that mode where we're trying
Speaker 1: to guess exactly what the team is looking for. Obviously
Speaker 1: there are a lot of holes on the defensive side.
Speaker 1: What I mean, what if all of amongst the players
Speaker 1: that you've probably avoid waited, do you believe is just
Speaker 1: number one on the list as far as this new
Speaker 1: coaching staff down And indeed, well, I think that's what
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. I thought this was interesting and Steven
Speaker 1: pointed it out. The coaching staff and the scouts along
Speaker 1: with the front office guys have been getting together, so
Speaker 1: the scouts understand what the coaches want. And the last
Speaker 1: thing you want to do is draft a guy and
Speaker 1: then the coach gets him and goes he doesn't fit
Speaker 1: in mycens So what they're working on right now is
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what does the defensive line coach
Speaker 1: want compared to what Marinelli wanted, or what does the
Speaker 1: secondary coach want compared to what Chris Richard wanted. And
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to get a consensus on that
Speaker 1: type of stuff before they get to the point where
Speaker 1: you're talking about it's like Okay, let's have this guy
Speaker 1: or let's take that guy. But I think Stephen repeatedly
Speaker 1: said that this has to be a very defensive the
Speaker 1: office offseason for the Cowboys, that they've got to repair
Speaker 1: the defense. And I think he's absolutely right. That's what
Speaker 1: we say it in here, right, he must have been
Speaker 1: listening to I mean, think about it. And so if
Speaker 1: you are, you thinking in terms of free agency or
Speaker 1: the draft, all of it, resigning, free agency, so many
Speaker 1: issues with it. You gotta look at all options. You
Speaker 1: can't just, you know, say you got to go free agency,
Speaker 1: but because you have to. But you can't just say
Speaker 1: free agency because no defense in the draft last year
Speaker 1: their second round pick, Yeah, defensive player that turn out yeah,
Speaker 1: which is my point, But which is and you take
Speaker 1: care of that stuff in free agency. They have a draft,
Speaker 1: you're taking the best player you can get. Your head,
Speaker 1: they have enough needs, they have enough needs that they
Speaker 1: can do that. And you wouldn't say, well, why did
Speaker 1: you do that? Because I think if you think about it,
Speaker 1: after Dak and Amari, Okay, now what's next, what position
Speaker 1: do you have to worry about? To me, it's cornerback
Speaker 1: and defensive event. I've always said safety. I've always said, Sam,
Speaker 1: you're a safety guy. To me, safeties down the list
Speaker 1: because my corners are covering, they make the safety better.
Speaker 1: All right, So does this team need a draft pick
Speaker 1: safety or do they need a veteran safety? Good question,
Speaker 1: and I was just thinking about that. To me, I
Speaker 1: would love to have a nice free agent safety with
Speaker 1: experience that can adapt to any situation. And then how
Speaker 1: much money are you willing to invest in that? I'm
Speaker 1: going to invest good money into that. But because this
Speaker 1: guy's going to be the one that anchors my secondary,
Speaker 1: and is he a what skills do you want that
Speaker 1: person to have? Center field range he's got to have.
Speaker 1: We had no range in our secondary. We looked at
Speaker 1: We always talked about the Jets game. I'm sorry, Spats,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to bring that up again, but the
Speaker 1: Jets game itself the study to go on. He should
Speaker 1: he should have still made that play. He still should
Speaker 1: have made that play. You need someone that's it's not
Speaker 1: just the range. Range comes with anticipation. Okay, you're you've
Speaker 1: you've already diagnosed what's gonna happen. You don't react, You've
Speaker 1: already and anticipated that it's gonna happen. So you should
Speaker 1: know that I've got only so many options out here,
Speaker 1: and I need to take a quick mental note, quick
Speaker 1: mental note on where that's gonna be. And that way
Speaker 1: my steps are quicker to me. Your your feet follow
Speaker 1: your brain. So if you recognize it, then your feet
Speaker 1: are gonna follow in turn. And he recognized it too slowly.
Speaker 1: So just read and react, Read and react. But once again,
Speaker 1: you still have to have the range to get there
Speaker 1: once you But what do you think about the guys
Speaker 1: that the safeties that they have That guy Xavier McKinley,
Speaker 1: McKinney the safety, No, no, no, I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: safety in the draft, you know from Alabama? And he
Speaker 1: is he a free or is he a box? He's
Speaker 1: a free? I mean this better be a free. I
Speaker 1: don't want to spend money on a guy that's playing
Speaker 1: five yards. So basically, the conventional wisdom has always said,
Speaker 1: you know, look, let's take the best guy that's on
Speaker 1: the board. But the Cowboys can't afford if there's a
Speaker 1: great tight end that comes down to that area. Or
Speaker 1: let's say a receiver. Do you draft a receiver in
Speaker 1: the first round when you know that the needs that
Speaker 1: you have are on defense and there's a guy in there,
Speaker 1: so everyone's saying, you know, hey, let's take the what
Speaker 1: your needs are. Now, who doesn't know what the needs
Speaker 1: are because you don't know what's going to happen in
Speaker 1: Free We don't we don't know whether what's happening with
Speaker 1: Cooper yet, So all right, so hypothetically, let's let's let's
Speaker 1: if you don't get Cob back, what if I saw
Speaker 1: a mock draft today that gave him CD lamb. So
Speaker 1: what happens is in a lot of teams, when you
Speaker 1: when you reach the thing, when you reach, you pay.
Speaker 1: When you reach, you pay. And if you and if
Speaker 1: the defense, if you're not able to get, take care
Speaker 1: of those things as best you can. But if you
Speaker 1: can't get the guys, if you can't at the guys
Speaker 1: right now, and then it comes down late in the
Speaker 1: season and you hadn't made you hadn't filled those gaps,
Speaker 1: and then you pay for it later. You can't take
Speaker 1: a guy with your first round knowing that you're gonna
Speaker 1: have needs on the defense, if, like you said, you
Speaker 1: don't get those those guys, take your pick in the
Speaker 1: first round. Well that you took, you took defense, and
Speaker 1: you could have taken an offense. That's why you don't
Speaker 1: still be again. That's why you don't reach on a
Speaker 1: player that maybe doesn't fit your scheme. That's why the
Speaker 1: synergy I mentioned last week has to be there. You
Speaker 1: have to know what guy you're taking. That's why they
Speaker 1: took Tcco because he fit right, yeah, and T J.
Speaker 1: Watt didn't fit. Well look all right, well let's say this,
Speaker 1: so we took we took we took Bobby Carpenter over
Speaker 1: to rail sugs. I think you know, hindsight is always
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I'm talking about right now exactly what we need.
Speaker 1: And we know we need a safety, we know we
Speaker 1: need a defensive end. Does the safety get to make
Speaker 1: all the difference in the world more so than a
Speaker 1: pass rushing defensive end? And now, to me, that's when
Speaker 1: you have to figure out what your system is. And
Speaker 1: we don't know what. If it's uh, if it's passed
Speaker 1: us uh you know heavy, then yeah, that's what you want.
Speaker 1: I don't know what what Mike Nolan's right philosophy is
Speaker 1: when it comes to pass with US. I know he
Speaker 1: loves the blitz, and I know he loves active linebackers
Speaker 1: that we do. Let me give you an example in
Speaker 1: the draft Taco Charlton in the first round, defensive end.
Speaker 1: Cowboys needed a defensive end. Okay, we need a defensive end. Okay,
Speaker 1: well they took Taco Charlton. Okay, Juju Smith's Schuster is
Speaker 1: sitting there. He went second round. Okay, Cheeto went one
Speaker 1: pick ahead of Juju Smith's Schuster. Okay, we didn't need
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, so we're not taking Juju. Well, a
Speaker 1: year later we needed a wide receiver. Des hitting on
Speaker 1: the team anymore, and we're sitting there going, Okay, we
Speaker 1: got a trade for Amari Cooper. Now in the middle
Speaker 1: of the season, we could have taken Juju smith Schuster,
Speaker 1: but at the time him in the draft, we're sitting
Speaker 1: there going, we don't need a wide receiver. We got
Speaker 1: Doz Bryant. Why do we need a wide receiver. We
Speaker 1: gotta take a defensive end. It changes so quickly in
Speaker 1: this league. I mean, you can go unique, no, but
Speaker 1: you can go year after year after year and every
Speaker 1: team and every team two eight. Okay, the Packers take
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson. What the and or eight or Old nine,
Speaker 1: whichever year that was. It was oh eight because the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had two first round draft picks took Mike Jenkins
Speaker 1: and Felix Jones. Okay, Jordy Nelson went in the second round. Well,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are sitting there going, we don't need a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. We don't need a wide They wind up
Speaker 1: trading for Royal Williams and giving up another first round
Speaker 1: pick because they didn't they went for need rather than
Speaker 1: the best player available. You know, and it's if twa
Speaker 1: falls to seventeen. Let's just say something happens with the
Speaker 1: medical report and two of falls to seventeen, do you
Speaker 1: take two of somebody will want them and I'll trade down.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, I mean, I mean, all things being equal,
Speaker 1: you have quarterback. It's an equal No. Well, here's here's
Speaker 1: the thing. You asked me a question about which would
Speaker 1: I take a defensive lineman over a safety. I'm obviously
Speaker 1: going to take a defensive lineman because of DB's best friend.
Speaker 1: It's the guys that are up, and so you know,
Speaker 1: look again, I said, conventional wisdom says take the guy
Speaker 1: with the highest grade on your board. But you look
Speaker 1: at what you need versus what you want. And every
Speaker 1: team can go back over the draft board and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, gosh, we missed a great opportunity to
Speaker 1: get a player. But right now, you gotta trust the
Speaker 1: guys that are on the side, the other side of
Speaker 1: the building to make the right decision. But I bet
Speaker 1: you anything that like in the case of Juju versus Taco,
Speaker 1: that the majority of people would say Juju Smith Schuster
Speaker 1: is a better football player than Taco Charlton today, No,
Speaker 1: they would have said that then. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: it was apparent to me that Jude, you gotta take
Speaker 1: Juju over this game, you know, because if you think
Speaker 1: about when they took Taco, it was like, well, this
Speaker 1: guy's improving in in a year or two, he'll be
Speaker 1: better than what he is now right on the come.
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Speaker 1: it feels weird to talk to we, can you pick
Speaker 1: one up and say, it's so nice to be treated
Speaker 1: doctor Pepper, So nice to treat you. Back to talking cowboy. So,
Speaker 1: since we've been talking corners in safeties, what does pick
Speaker 1: six mean to you? Guys? Pick six something I've never had? Well,
Speaker 1: if you go to Jack Block, no pick six as well.
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Speaker 1: deep dive, what glycolics basic clin You don't you don't
Speaker 1: use it the word, man, I don't tell the word.
Speaker 1: It's really good stuff. Guess what tonight eleven fifty nine
Speaker 1: is the deadline to pick your six. So it's just
Speaker 1: like a scrub. Yeah, okay, so you did have a pickup.
Speaker 1: You did have a pick six? I have one in
Speaker 1: New York. Yeah. Heck, man, do you ever have a
Speaker 1: pick six in your life? I have yes, Remember I
Speaker 1: have one in that list. I have one one, man,
Speaker 1: I relive it every day. Give me the details. What happened.
Speaker 1: I was at Lincoln High School Spragg Stadium against Roosevelt
Speaker 1: High School. Yeah. Never the quarterback Mike Dean, Mike Dean,
Speaker 1: what make you? What about your pigs in West Minnesota?
Speaker 1: Don't believe I ever had a pick six? Bill, if
Speaker 1: you're coming around to me, and I did have a
Speaker 1: pick six in my life. I think it was ten
Speaker 1: and under Irving YMCA football. I picked off Bill Banowski
Speaker 1: and took it to the house. Wow, you remember his name?
Speaker 1: I remember his name that. The question is when you
Speaker 1: got to the end zone, could you breathe? How long
Speaker 1: was It's like twenty yards? It was like it was
Speaker 1: like Larry Brown in the Super Bowl. I made it
Speaker 1: to the end zone right by the way. Yeah is nil.
Speaker 1: O'Donnell was asking if you could breathe. The XFL needs
Speaker 1: to rethink this. The dude runs back a kickoff ninety
Speaker 1: yards for a touchdown. The next thing, you know, what
Speaker 1: did you do? The guy like he couldn't breathe was done.
Speaker 1: At least That's why I asked you breathe, because I'm
Speaker 1: telling you I could not. I went sixty sixty yards.
Speaker 1: I was twenty yards. It was a house call. Nobody
Speaker 1: caught you. No man out on the flatplane corner, no linebacker,
Speaker 1: linebacker okay in Dallas, but Ed Ed screwed it up.
Speaker 1: I just looked like I was just so smooth. I
Speaker 1: looked like Cooper going through that and weaving through the
Speaker 1: offense and bump into the end zone and Ed Jones
Speaker 1: clips a guy. No, I'm already like five years payback
Speaker 1: must beginning. Your buck whip this game for you to
Speaker 1: just have to do that. I'm already at spags. He's
Speaker 1: clipping the guy back here where I am and uh.
Speaker 1: We end up losing that game. And it's so funny.
Speaker 1: Brad Sham said that that penalty cost us our playoffs
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty seven. Whoa because we lost that game
Speaker 1: against the Raiders. It was a Sunday night game, I believe,
Speaker 1: and we once we lost that game, that took us
Speaker 1: out of position. Uh, and we were desperate after that
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty s you know what that led to.
Speaker 1: That led to February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine, one
Speaker 1: years ago today, Crisp very difficult meeting. It's very very sad.
Speaker 1: It's tough when your break a relationship that we've had
Speaker 1: for twenty nine years. I just want to say this,
Speaker 1: there is no substitute for winning. I know that's a cliche,
Speaker 1: but we must win. We will win. When is the
Speaker 1: name of the game. A man that is going to
Speaker 1: be with the Cowboys is Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy's on his
Speaker 1: way back to Miami. He's gonna come back up here
Speaker 1: and he's gonna give everything in the heart and soul
Speaker 1: of Jimmy Johnson. This is a new generation, but there
Speaker 1: it was thirty one years ago. Mickey, you were there,
Speaker 1: I was there, were you there? I was in San Antonio.
Speaker 1: I was working in San Antonio at the time. I
Speaker 1: was sitting in that room listening to that. And when
Speaker 1: we were done writing, I remember this as clear as day.
Speaker 1: Text invited us into his office said hey, when you
Speaker 1: come by, come have a beer. And I remember sitting
Speaker 1: on the floor and it was like, you know how
Speaker 1: you go to kind of a funeral and then afterwards,
Speaker 1: when the ceremonies over, you kind of gather with you
Speaker 1: just and we were just reminiscing, and it was like
Speaker 1: it was a funeral for tex because he knew he
Speaker 1: was that, he knew he was out the door, and
Speaker 1: even in this we were all sitting there and uh,
Speaker 1: I remember it was kind of somber. And Frank Lux,
Speaker 1: a steam writer for the Times Herald at that time.
Speaker 1: It was his birthday February twenty fifth as well. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, he would have turned eighty four today,
Speaker 1: passed away at seventy seven. I remember he got up
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, go home. So my birthday's almost
Speaker 1: over Henrietta is waiting for me white the time? Did
Speaker 1: the press conference have eight o'clock or so? It was
Speaker 1: late because Jerry had gone to Austin to give coach
Speaker 1: Landry the news on the golf course early evening six
Speaker 1: secause I want to say that the meeting at the
Speaker 1: golf course in Austin was late afternoon because I was
Speaker 1: monitoring in that in San Antonio and it was dark
Speaker 1: by the time the press conference happened. Well, when we
Speaker 1: went into Texas office, it was late because we had
Speaker 1: already finished writing and hit our deadlines. When papers actually
Speaker 1: had deadlines that allowed you to get breaking news instead
Speaker 1: of saying go to the website and read the story. Right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I remember that as clear as as clear
Speaker 1: as I think about that, that whole advantage. You see
Speaker 1: how sad text was, but you you I could feel
Speaker 1: that in this room here. I always thought that they
Speaker 1: were a victim of their own demise in that regard,
Speaker 1: and I always look back in the nineteen eighty seven
Speaker 1: that strettrike that killed our team, It really did. It
Speaker 1: killed our team. You know that interception he got called
Speaker 1: back one of the other I think that you saw
Speaker 1: at that time. Uh, they were very ingenious with the
Speaker 1: scab games and things of that nature, replacement players and
Speaker 1: all of that. And what it did here the locker
Speaker 1: room and just the organization erode it from that point.
Speaker 1: Uh you look at and you look at how the
Speaker 1: Cowboys handled the strike versus how the Redskins handled the strike.
Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs refused to allow his players to piecemeal their
Speaker 1: way in or out, either you all the way in,
Speaker 1: all the way out, you know, and they all stuck
Speaker 1: together as a unit. And I think that did a
Speaker 1: lot for that organization. And when you saw what happened
Speaker 1: with US eighty seven, you know, after you saw Dorset
Speaker 1: and Randy White, Doug Cosby, all these guys playing within
Speaker 1: the scab games, and uh, I just thought it just
Speaker 1: erased any type of confidence that not just the players
Speaker 1: had in the organization. There was always players versious management.
Speaker 1: But to me, this eroded the locker room itself. And
Speaker 1: a lot of it was because of way their contracts
Speaker 1: were structured. They were told they had to go in
Speaker 1: because they had come on said and they didn't know.
Speaker 1: They chose that. Let's don't get me mad, now, they
Speaker 1: chose that excuse, right, I know, I know, they chose
Speaker 1: that excuse and they all had the same annuities, and
Speaker 1: Danny White was in the same situation. And then it
Speaker 1: kind of forced two tall Randy Dorset, Yeah, uh, Cosby
Speaker 1: and all and they're all the guys. These are the
Speaker 1: guys in the locker room, and they played them. They
Speaker 1: play It was one thing to say that had to
Speaker 1: go in, but they played him. And so when when
Speaker 1: and and coach Landry he was complicit. I mean he
Speaker 1: should have known better, He should have known better. But
Speaker 1: at that time he was also and he always said
Speaker 1: he wasn't, but he was also management. He was the
Speaker 1: three headed you know, leadership at that Remember the day
Speaker 1: when Texts came out and argued you with you guys.
Speaker 1: You guys were on the picket line and by the
Speaker 1: parking lot and text came out and arguing with the guys.
Speaker 1: It was like, this isn't getting anywhere. Was motivated, he
Speaker 1: was motivated. He was motivated. Yeah, well you know, and
Speaker 1: then the next year you don't have a quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Steve pel Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: It just got it just got worse and worse from there.
Speaker 1: So when you see texts, how sad he was. That
Speaker 1: was a culmination of a lot of different events that
Speaker 1: pretty much he put in place. As far as I'm
Speaker 1: to say, he was the He was the designer of
Speaker 1: the scab games, the replacement teams, that was replacement players.
Speaker 1: That was all his idea. It was. It was right
Speaker 1: there at Valley Ranch. Well, they came up with that hole.
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing that happened in the eighties. Rod
Speaker 1: Hill nineteen eighty two. Now, Jeff Coo was a good
Speaker 1: pick in eighty three state Uh yep, Billy Cannon. Billy
Speaker 1: Cannon in eighty four, Kevin Brooks memory, he heard, Jeff, guys,
Speaker 1: do realize I'm in the hotel Thomas shit right now,
Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Michael Serard in eighty six two broken legs,
Speaker 1: came back in eighty seven year, and then they came
Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty eight and came up with Michael Irvin,
Speaker 1: followed by Ken Norton. But you have drafts like that
Speaker 1: throughout the eighties. Michael Levin was hurt almost his entire
Speaker 1: rookie year. That's try. Yeah. He came back last game
Speaker 1: and toasted Dale Green for almost two hundred yards. There
Speaker 1: you go, and we said that's our guy. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have drafts like that, which gets us back
Speaker 1: to this week at the combine. So wait, let me
Speaker 1: do one more thing. So the last person in that
Speaker 1: picture was Bumbright, who was the owner then, so he
Speaker 1: bought the team. Um was an end of eighty three.
Speaker 1: It was before Clint Murkison. But okay, so I saw
Speaker 1: this Trump quote, this quote right there January first, nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty four in the New York Times. Right. I feel
Speaker 1: sorry for the poor guy who was going to buy
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. It's a no win situation for him
Speaker 1: because if he wins, well so what they've won through
Speaker 1: the years. And if he loses, which seems likely because
Speaker 1: they're having troubles, he'll be known to the world as
Speaker 1: a loser. Donald J. Trump. This is coming from a
Speaker 1: guy that won three dollars in the settlement with the usfail. Right,
Speaker 1: see how that works out? Yeah? And your what's he doing? Yeah? Right?
Speaker 1: All right? Doesn't for this edition that talking Cowboys, and
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