1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: I just want to say this, there is no substitute 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: for winning. I know that's a cliche, but we must win. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: We will win. When is the name of the game. 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: The following He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is he is 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters 7 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. To the goal line. Got tit? No, 8 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: Your hosts, Micky Spagnola, Robbed Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. 9 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: And there you had it right off the top, thirty 10 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: one years ago today, Jerry Jones taking over the Dallas 11 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: Cowboys February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine, and this is 12 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Bill Jones, would 13 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: Mike you, Spagnola, heck Ma Harrison and Everson Walls? Everson, 14 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: what did you think on that day thirty one years 15 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: ago today? At that time, I was happy when he 16 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: first went down. I thought this was the best thing 17 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: that ever happened. He made me a captain as the 18 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: first the first organization that ever made me a captain 19 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: in my entire life, going back to Peewee League High 20 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: school and nothing, and when they made me captain like Davin, 21 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: this is what I've been waiting on. I'm having some walls. 22 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: I'm from Dallas, Texas. I deserved this. Where were you 23 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: on this day when the announcement was made? I really 24 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you, but I can tell you what I 25 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: was the night before. I was hanging out with Jerry 26 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: and and uh the organization, Jerry and Missus Jones, me 27 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: and my wife. Yeah we we Foozies. You have Foozies. 28 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: You have a member Foosies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 29 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: where we hung out. That's where we hung out. I thought, man, 30 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: me and Jerry were gonna be big buds, great friends, 31 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: like I'm a company man. Now I don't even know 32 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: what to how to acts. That didn't last long at all. 33 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: But we'll get into more of our memories coming up 34 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: in just a little bit. What exactly um our memories 35 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: of twenty five or thirty one years ago today February 36 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine. And uh, but there's a 37 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: lot of sorts of other things going on right now too, 38 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: including Cris Beam talking in my ear incessantly. And hopefully 39 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: that was just very quickly. I thought, I'm not getting 40 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm not getting paid enough to have all this in 41 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: my ear. What's going on? You thought the XFL you 42 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: got someone talking in your hell, but the whole thing 43 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: all the way, that's what you do. Take your head. 44 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: But there's so much to talk about because the combine 45 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: is underway, and we'll break it down this way. About this, 46 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: we'll talk because Steven talked yesterday. We're gonna hear it 47 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: from Stephen coming up here. Um talked about the DAK contract, 48 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: all the things going on at the combine right now. 49 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: I think this is a great time of the year 50 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: because this is basically kicks off the offseason. I mean 51 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: this is you know, the agents are also in Indianapolis. 52 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: Some work can get done. You got a CBA that 53 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: needs to get done. If the Cowboys are going to 54 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: do the business they want to get done. And Um, 55 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that what the Cowboys need to 56 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: do as far as the contracts go and the CBA, 57 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: and we'll talk combo. They need to actually start talking. 58 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: It's exactly right. And we will talk as well about 59 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: our memories from thirty one years ago. But it's also 60 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Fat Tuesday, So I got my purple on. Yeah, Hey, 61 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: I got my baby from my kincake all the way in. 62 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: I just had my baby in the you know what. 63 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: They were kind of lazy. His feet were like hanging out. 64 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: It were lazy to making it me and my daughter 65 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's the baby right there. But it 66 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: was good. No suspense, no suspension. Well, I've already cheated 67 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: on my diet today. So Fat Tuesday, rock Ada bought 68 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: in donuts so I had to have of course, of course, 69 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: I think it's a National pancake Day. That was just 70 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: my my my Internet told me to do well, Good 71 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Morning America had pancakes for everybody. It would make sense. 72 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: On Fat Tuesday, he sat, weeks get a staff. I've 73 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: not had any today. No, no, no, I won't have 74 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: any today. Well, Margaret, eitherday? That was what? Yes, how 75 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: drunk did you get? Bill? That's why my wife was 76 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: drinking so many of our garators on Friday. All right, 77 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: Stephen Jones talks yesterday, and you know this whole CBA thing, 78 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like for the cowboys to do the business 79 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: they want to get done with Dak Prescott and his 80 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: agent Todd France. They need to get this CBA done. Mickey, 81 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: they need it done, but if it gets done, then 82 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna lose the transition tag also, so there's some 83 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: ramifications for getting it done and not getting it done. 84 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: Um also, but if it gets done, it might wipe 85 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: out the thirty percent rule going into the last year 86 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: of the official CBA that's in place. And that's what 87 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: Stephen alluded to yesterday, because, um, you can't mess with 88 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: the base salaries. They can't go up or down by 89 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 1: more than thirty percent from year to year. So normally 90 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: when they do these big contracts, they'll they'll tell the player, well, 91 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: you just got twenty million in a signing bonus, let's say, 92 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: and so your base salary this year is only going 93 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: to be one million dollars and that'll help us on 94 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: the cap. But if it's only one million dollars this year, 95 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: then it can only go up thirty percent the next year. 96 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: So I think that does that mean it's three million 97 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: dollars whatever? So yeah, because because because you can't say, okay, 98 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: now you get eleven million in twenty twenty one. So 99 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: it's pretty complicated and it cannot bload the contract the exactly, 100 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of those contracts were always backloaded, right, 101 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: those last years they had money that wasn't guaranteed to 102 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: count in the big total. So somebody can say, oh, 103 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: I got one hundred and thirty five million dollars deal 104 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: when the guarantees only one hundred and there's thirty five 105 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,119 Speaker 1: million on the back end. That's bogus. And that also 106 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: helps the teams with the cap as well. Right, they 107 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: can kind of play with that exactly. And Mickey, this 108 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: is a ten year deal, correct, It would be a 109 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: ten year deal. That's what they're looking at. And one 110 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: of the reasons why the NFL wants to get it 111 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: done and maybe why the players think they have a 112 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: little leverages. If they get it done for ten years, 113 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: they can start negotiating a TV contract right away and 114 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: promise the networks, hey, we've got ten years of a 115 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: collective bargain agreement, so we're not in jeopardy of any 116 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: strike or anything like that. And the players and allows 117 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: them to ask for more money, and especially if you 118 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: get a seventeenth game, right because now you've got more 119 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: revenue coming in, you've got more product to give them. 120 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things. But the players don't 121 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: get paid per game. They would get paid one. That 122 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: would turn it to one. That's one of the sticking points, 123 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: right Perhaps because they're staying seventeenth game, they're they're maxing 124 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: it as is the current agreement is put together, it 125 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: max out at two hundred and fifty for that last game, 126 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand for the last game, So 127 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: you would get played one seventeenth for the first seventeen weeks, 128 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: and then that last week everybody gets to it. That's 129 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: for existing contracts, okay, Yeah, for for players who would 130 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: be under contract when that would take effect, which at 131 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: the earliest would be not twenty twenty but twenty twenty one. 132 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,479 Speaker 1: So the player reps, I think there are The executive 133 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 1: committee on the NFLPA with the players will meet with 134 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: the owners today. It must happened later this afternoon. When 135 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: they voted initially it was six to five not to 136 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: agree to it. And so there's a lot of questions, Yeah, 137 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: a lot of questions that the owners are going to 138 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: have to answer and strictly majority, you don't have to 139 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: have a If they know that the yeah, and then 140 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: if they agree, then they'll give it to the players. 141 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: The entire played a recommended to a vote for the players. Now, 142 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: there are a lot of there are a lot of 143 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: sticking points in this CBA that the players have to 144 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: pay attention to because it is a ten year deal 145 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 1: and a lot of the guys that's even negotiating the 146 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: deal won't even be a part maybe won't be a 147 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: part of the NFL. So for all of those points 148 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: when I was I was reading today that the point 149 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: or the percentages five five billion dollars and the half 150 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: is two point five billion dollars. So there are a 151 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: lot of things at staking. The one thing that I 152 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: keep seeing through the media as far as the seventeenth game, 153 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: but also you know, the drug testing part of it. 154 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: I think that's a major part that a lot of 155 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: the players have been interested in. But there's way more. 156 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: I think there's way more to the CBA than just 157 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: the you know, being drug tested two weeks before OTAs 158 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: or before the season that these guys have to pay, 159 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, play, pay attention to because there's so much 160 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: hanging in the balance for them as opposed to like 161 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: when you were in the in the league in eighty 162 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 1: two when there was a strike, you know that you 163 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: have the mom mom but the revenue, but as far 164 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: as the revenue, as far as the revenue UH, and 165 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: the and the network, as far as the sharing. Now 166 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: in comparison, we're talking about billions of dollars now to 167 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: the sharing the percentage we were I don't think we 168 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: were sharing in eighty two. There was nothing about sharing. 169 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: We were bringing it up, but it had not even 170 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: come into fruition. I don't believe until eighty seven is 171 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: when we really started talking about having the real It 172 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: was the reality that we could profit sharing some way. 173 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: You know. Hack brought up the drug policy and it 174 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: significantly changes for marijuana. I was going to ask you 175 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: if if it had any tolerance this time, if it 176 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: go up to the time. Yeah. The proposal says it'll 177 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: narrow the testing window of THHC from four months to 178 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: two weeks at the start of training camp. So even 179 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: if you're you're to rather than at the start of 180 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 1: the offseason. Price exact. So that tells you when it 181 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: is so I watch test serious. Unless you got a 182 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: serious problem, you ought to be able to quit. We 183 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: always knew when it was right, and now it's only 184 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: a two week wind. It also reduces the penalties to 185 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: players who test positive for THHC eliminating any game suspension 186 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: for strictly for positive tests. Well, and that the question is, Mickey, 187 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: what the players be willing to leverage as much as 188 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: they have on the table right now just for drug testing. 189 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: I mean because even for yes, as far as the 190 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: insurance is concerned, as far as you know, guys having 191 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: insurance coverage after they're playing days. I mean, if that's 192 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: the case, think about it this way. Okay, the veteran 193 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: players are thinking like you. The guys that are one, two, 194 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: three years in the league that think they're playing for 195 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: another five ain't worried about that stuff because they're not. 196 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: They're not forward thinking. Yeah, they're thinking about, Okay, if 197 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm smoking marijuana today, I can play in a month 198 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: or I'm not going to get punished games. So they're 199 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: thinking about themselves. The other thing, it also increases the 200 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: nanogram limit. So it's the I tried to read up 201 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: as much as I could. It's the it's the level. Uh, 202 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: you're not going to be tested. It's the player. Well, 203 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: I want to know what they were doing. Because the 204 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: nanogram level limit went from thirty five think about this, 205 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: thirty five to one fifty. Yeah, and that's per mill 206 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: leader of blood in your body. Okay, so that's a 207 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: huge And what I was reading is fifty is usually 208 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: kind of the cutoff from a driving standpoint to see 209 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: if you're intoxicated or not. So now it's one hundred 210 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: and fifty for the league for you to test positive. 211 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of towers. And I always thought 212 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: that would be one of the number one sticking points. Wow. Well, 213 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: when you negotiation evolution about thinking, you know, mat wine 214 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: has always been where it is, but you know, we've 215 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: just we were thinking about it differently now with a 216 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: lot more tolerance and regards to not just society, but 217 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: in regards to medicine. You know, so now when you're 218 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: talking about opioids versus a CBD, I thought it'd be 219 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: even more tolerance and even put something in there to 220 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: where they might even use it in regards to pain tolerance, 221 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: and that obviously is not in there at all. Yeah, 222 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: like I said, when I looked at it, and they 223 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: made it about you know, smoking marijuana and just looking 224 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: at the players what they have to lose if they 225 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: make a bad deal. I mean, I guess my parents 226 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: always said youth has wasted on the young, and this 227 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: would be a bad decision to leverage that much just 228 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: to be able to smoke pot in the offseason. They 229 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: have to be forward thinking about this because they have 230 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: so much to lose. And as far as the guys 231 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: that played the game before them that had to deal 232 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: with those stipulations, I know a lot of societal issues 233 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: and dealing with the optics is a big part of 234 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: what the NFL is into. But also just thinking about 235 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: those guys that have played the game that need coverage 236 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: now when they look back over their careers, that that's important. 237 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: And I don't know if they are talking about anything 238 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: for guys, let's say pre nineties guys that actually made 239 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: the game what it is. And so to the average 240 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: fan that's having to work a job to get drug tested, 241 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: they don't understand a guy that would give up that 242 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: much just to because again, when you look at the 243 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: CBA and the amount of money that guys would be 244 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: turning down or getting that, your average working Joe doesn't 245 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: understand why a guy would turn down the contract based 246 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: off of those numbers, because hey, for me myself, I 247 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: shake a coconut out a tree for a million dollars, 248 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, I mean literally see me shaking the tree. 249 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: You really, you really can't look at what you know, 250 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: the average working Joel is doing. Don't don't compare football 251 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: players to that. That's always been the mistake. Okay, you 252 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: keep talking about not just you, but fans have always said, well, 253 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: I can't believe they're trying to make this much money. 254 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: They said they when we were playing, that's always gonna 255 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: be were making how much in nineteen eighty three three 256 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: I made thirty seven fire you go, yeah, yeah. For 257 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: the proposal for the former players, retroactive would increase five 258 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars a month for all pre twenty 259 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: twelve vested players, so whatever they're getting, it would raise, okay, okay. 260 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: And then it would also expand pension bill eligibility to 261 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: all former players with three credited seasons. I don't know 262 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: what it used to. It has always been three? Has 263 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: it always been three? Okay? Uh? And creation of a 264 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: new network of hospitals in each team city for former 265 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: players to receive no cost physicals, preventive care, mental health consoling, 266 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: and outpatient orthopedic servi services coverage UH common to surgeries 267 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: to be phased in during the course of the deal. 268 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: So that's wonderful. That's kind of an increase for the 269 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: former players. So yeah, it's it's pretty comprehensive, and there's 270 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: a lot to think about other than just uh increasing 271 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: the minimum wage by one hundred thousand dollars and the 272 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: minimum for the rookies ninety thousand. So and again, if 273 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: they if the biggest one might be the share, right 274 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: it's forty seven percent right now, and now it would 275 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: go up to as much as forty eight five. Yeah, 276 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: so if they sell more for games that are going 277 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: to be played a seventeenth game, then that's going to 278 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: go up too. So we'll see what they decide today 279 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: and if there's a vote, and this thing, you know, 280 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: could be decided by Thursday. All right, how about Dak 281 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: Prescott And let's hear from Stephen Jones and what he 282 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: was saying about Dak Prescott with the possibility of a 283 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: franchise tag looming over the heads of everybody, franchise tag, 284 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: is it accured to say it would be the exclusive variety? 285 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to get into any of 286 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: the details of the contract and franchising and that type 287 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: of thing. Our goal is to get it done with Dak, 288 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: and I know he wants to be here and we 289 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: want him to be here long term, and you know, 290 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: he's our guy. You know, we've got nothing but the 291 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: highest regards for him, and we want to get the 292 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: deal done. And Stephen Jones said that he was surprised 293 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: they didn't get a deal done back in September and 294 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: they haven't had talks since September. Yeah, he was. It 295 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: was just kind of like, uh, you know one of 296 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: my ex girlfriends. I mean, you know, she didn't call me, 297 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: I didn't call her, and then all of a sudden, 298 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm Mari just somebody else, So you know it, that's 299 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: how it happened. Why Stephen is Stephen is quick to 300 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: point out Dak's not going to another girlfriend, okay. And 301 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: then and then the other key, the other key thing 302 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: we have to be aware of is they've pushed back 303 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: when you can start with the franchise tag from today 304 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: till Thursday, which pushes the end from the March tenth 305 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: to the twelfth. Okay, So they've pushed it back, hoping 306 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: that this whole thing gets settled hopefully before that. So 307 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: it's just because the tag starts on the twenty seventh 308 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you got to give it to him on 309 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: the twenty seventh. You still got however, many more days 310 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: in March twelve. Let's look at all the contract negotiations. 311 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: I mean, the importance of this contract negotiation. Have you 312 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: ever heard that type of a response and with glosson 313 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: why we didn't get it done? Like what we just 314 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: didn't call them, They didn't just call us. It's like 315 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: the sense of urgency just left. Well. And because there's 316 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: no deadline, and I've always realized in these negotiations, if 317 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: there's a deadline, then it gets done like a real deadline, 318 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: not an artificial deadline. And Stephen, I don't know if 319 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: the guys have the bite or not. When Steven talked 320 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: about why it didn't get done, if you guys have it, 321 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: it was about I think they were pretty entrenched and 322 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: if you guys got it, he can play it. Otherwise 323 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: I'll read it to you. Well, go ahead, no, no, no. 324 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: Stephen said, they were pretty entrenched with their thoughts, and 325 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: we were pretty entrenched with our thoughts. You know why 326 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: they were so entrenched with their thoughts because Dak knew 327 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: he was going to have a great season. He knew 328 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: he was gonna put up numbers. He had knowledge about 329 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: this Cowboys offense that none of us had going into 330 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: the season. It was the twenty third ranked pass offense 331 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: in the league the previous year. We if anyone would 332 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: have said this is going to be the number one 333 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: or two ranked pass offense in the league, we would 334 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: have said, you're crazy, it's not gonna happen. He knew 335 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: what was being implemented and how they were going to 336 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: attack things as far as this offense goes this year, 337 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: and he knew the money's not going down. Yeah, that's 338 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: the only risk he had was getting hurt. That's for 339 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: rind at that time. Was Kellen Moore. That's right, he knew, right, 340 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: he had information. Yeah, I got that kind of to 341 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: me though. That gives you an indication of what they 342 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: were asking for, which was not in line of obviously 343 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: what the Cowboys were offering. And the key thing and 344 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: this whole thing when I hear people say, well, just 345 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: get it done. What are you waiting on? You know, 346 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: you gotta pay. We don't know what they're asking right, right, 347 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: they could be asking for fifty million years. Well, there's 348 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot of rooms out there and that's when we 349 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: don't know. Well, so until you know, we kind of 350 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: know where the Cowboys are probably somewhere close to thirty 351 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: million a year in the regular package, not the guarantee, 352 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: because these other guys didn't get guaranteed thirty million a year. 353 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: So and what they're asking we don't know. Now would 354 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: that be two schools of thought, one being from dak 355 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: saying that, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo two years ago was 356 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: the highest paid quarterback in the NFL, and n now 357 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: that's the not even the tenth highest paid as amongst 358 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: his peers. And so knowing that after the other looming 359 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: tracks that we have from Patrick Mahomes and other guys 360 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: in the league, that two years from now he made, 361 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: his contract may not even be top five top in 362 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: the NFL, and he doesn't have another opportunity to negotiate 363 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: until right now. So all of his value is in 364 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: what he stands for right now at this point. Yeah, 365 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: but that's life in the United States, right when you 366 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: look at somebody's gonna get paid more than you tomorrow. 367 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: When you look at quarterbacks versus other positions, they have 368 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: more opportunities to get that big contract. You know, I 369 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: think da when you look at it. Even if you 370 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: look at his career, let's just say it goes, say 371 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: maybe thirteen years or whatever, he's still that chance to 372 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: get two more big contracts. Let me give you a 373 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: great saying. And it came from Pat summer All. Several 374 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: years ago. We were at lunch together in our little 375 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: lunch group, and I was trying to explain to him 376 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: why Greg Ellis was unhappy with his contract because he 377 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: signed like a seven year deal, which no one did 378 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: back then, and then all of a sudden, the contracts exploded, 379 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: the cap went up, and now he's not happy to 380 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: those last two or three years and he's totally underpaid. 381 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, poor poor Gregg, he came along 382 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: too soon. And summer All and his deep voice goes, well, 383 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: we all came around absolutely, So what how do you 384 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: feel about you know, cowboy alumni, you know that are 385 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: saying that, hey, take the deal from Sam to get 386 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: to that. Emma must I had too many hits to 387 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: his head. He would have said that about it Smith 388 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: when he was going through his contract stuff, well, he 389 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: brought instances and examples to where he tried to boost 390 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: his case. He talked about you know, certain players that 391 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: were deferring money, the backloading that we were talking about 392 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: early in this in the ship saying the difference. Then 393 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: that was ninety three and there was no salary cap. Yeah, 394 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: so he could argue for any money he wanted and 395 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: it was Jerry's money. Now it's Dallas Cowboys money, and 396 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: I think there's a difference. Uh so, m it won't 397 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: be invited to the to the negotiations, think about it. 398 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: That's the contracts signing. Emma didn't sign contracts twice. Right, 399 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say because he hates it when you 400 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: call it a holdout. He was without a con He 401 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: was not there for two games because he wasn't have 402 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: a contract, was pregnant anymore. And then as rookie year, 403 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: he showed up the Tuesday before the season opener trying 404 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: to get a contract. So yeah, he went through it twice. 405 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: You know, Heckma is your example of Garoppolo two years ago, 406 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: average salary twenty seven point five million dollars And now 407 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: here we are two years later and everyone's talking about, oh, well, 408 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahome is gonna get forty million. You know what, 409 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes waits a little bit longer and it's gonna 410 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: be forty five. And that's the thing for Dak. I mean, 411 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: Dak understands his value is right now. And so that's 412 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: why I don't believe that he's acquiescent to the pressure 413 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: that's being applied, because he understands if he caves now, 414 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: he may not have another opportunity to do this in 415 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: his prime. And so looking at the numbers that are coming, 416 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: that's look he was what's caving well, I mean, caving 417 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: to me is taking a twenty eight thirty thirty million 418 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: dollar deal that became when Garoppolo signed his contract. The 419 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: average guarantee of the contract was fifteen million fifteen million, right, 420 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: So when you look at what the guarantees are, they're 421 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: different than what the total packages. Yeah, because most of 422 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: these guys like Goff and Wentz that the team on 423 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: the guarantee part. Now, they would lose some dead money, 424 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: but they could get out of those contracts after three years. 425 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: They could get out if they failed. Now, do you 426 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: want that contract or do you want a guarantee over 427 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: the course like um kirk Cousins got. Yeah, it was 428 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: three years eighty four millions. That's three years eighty four 429 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: million averages twenty eight million a year. So do you 430 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: want his contract or is that not enough? So when 431 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about the guarantee, it's different than the total package, 432 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: and I think people need to understand that. All right, Everson, 433 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: do you remember when you were at the combine what 434 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: your hand size was? Man? I saw that. You know what? 435 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: Did you go to the less we come back? I'm 436 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: talking cowboys. I've got to take measure out. We're measure 437 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: in hands. You're not cutting by my hand. 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Yeah, 476 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: We've got a boxing press conference coming up in a 477 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: little while and then away in on Friday. In on Friday. 478 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: It's Mikey Garcia versus Jesse Vargas boxing Ford Center. Anything 479 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: on the line in that fight, there would be about that. 480 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: To be able to read this press release, my eyes 481 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: aren't good enough to see it. No, it's just Mikey 482 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: Garcia versus Jesse Vargas. That's what it is. Yep, that's 483 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: what it is. As soon as I get down in 484 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: the press release, I'll tell you more about it. All right, 485 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: we are told, Chris Beam says w BC what diamond 486 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: diamond belt, No matter what that is. Okay, that doesn't 487 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: sound like a Championships w BC. They gotta make it important. 488 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: So the y'all watch that fight Saturday. Did I did? 489 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: I did not? You paid the money, Mayor Mickey ten dollars. 490 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: You paid ten of the eighty. Yeah, you had seven 491 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: of your friends there helping pay. Couldn't sit no, I 492 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: couldn't sit on my couch. I had to go somewhere. 493 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: But I saw it. Okay, it was great fight. Me 494 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: and about two one hundred and fifty of my friends 495 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: in the place. Yeah, your friends, Yeah, no one knows, 496 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. I was in Atlanta at the Black 497 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: Cots Hall of Fame, so I didn't get a chance 498 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: to watch it. There's hanging out with hammering Hanks. Oh 499 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. How was that? Oh it was 500 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, I do it all the time. I do 501 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: it all the time. No big deal, all right, I 502 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: saw that Hank. I'm hanking. That's awesome. I thought. I 503 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: thought Fury looked like a bigger and batter Broadness. Oh, 504 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: go on, a lot batter and a lot bigger, six 505 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: nine seventy games, shaved head and he gaged. He didn't 506 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: look anything like Brian Broadness. I thought he did the 507 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: gypsy King. Do you think Tyson Fury looks like Brian 508 00:29:54,560 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: bro don't? But why from think he's got this larger 509 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: than life? The image of Brian brought us in his head. Okay, 510 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: big head, all right? How you going by just the 511 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: size of the head. And they're both white as white 512 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: can be? No, and he pulled it off. I mean, 513 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: fury man for seven rounds he put it on. He 514 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: put it on. My think. Okay, everyone keeps talking about 515 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: how good to find, how well he fought, and of 516 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: his strategy worked perfectly. But do you think the ear 517 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: situation if you, if you just if you've ever played 518 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: sports before with one ear, you know, no, I had 519 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: to dud slap me one time. Oh my god, it's 520 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: a different. Yeah. So imagine going seven rounds with one ear, 521 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: so that deuilibrium is gone. The ear blood the entire time, 522 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: Ye came from inside. Yeah, so I think was looking 523 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: the blood that was so nasty. I'm thinking his equilibrium 524 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: when his wife and heck, can you tell me if 525 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But not only did he get knocked down 526 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: those two times he lost his balance, A couple didn't 527 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: his legs. His legs didn't look like they were there 528 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: and he hit him. It's almost like he was just 529 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: ready to fall or just that's why he wanted to 530 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,239 Speaker 1: and said all from the blows they wanted that they 531 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: didn't seem to be that pass. And I was really 532 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: happy that his his corner, uh you know, throw in 533 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: the towel because he was in danger if it wentn't 534 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: any further, you know. And a lot of guys that 535 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: guess in this whole macho world that we live, and 536 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: they talk about going out on the shield and nobody 537 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: wants to watch someone die in the ring. And I 538 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: was really happy that the guys say that don't box. Yeah, 539 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: well he said that that's what. That's what Deontay Wilder said. 540 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm I hate that they didn't let me go out 541 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: on my shield. And I'm like, man, you would have 542 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: went out on your guarney if they didn't call it. 543 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: And they talked about his corner. Yeah, thank god, he 544 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: saw it about exactly he saw it. Said, man, you 545 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: can't you can't say anything when he when he stopped 546 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: the fight, I thought the referee stopped it and I 547 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: was going, what And then it was like, oh, the 548 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: corner kid, because he wasn't defending he threw the towel in. Yeah, 549 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: all right, I measured in my hand. That's what's going 550 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: on at the combine right now. Okay, to all these 551 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: your hand, this hand, size matter, everything does not. It 552 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: does not give me nothing here. I brought to take 553 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: measure from home. Heck, I want you to measure Everson 554 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: Walls my good hand, your left hand, pink. You go 555 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: from the pinky to the thumb. We're in the nine 556 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: over here. He's got larger hands. And I've always thought 557 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: Everson he had so many interceptions, you had to have 558 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: eleven inches. You do not have to have big hands. 559 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: I do have to do is have good eyes. So 560 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: Joe Burrows should not. No one should be concerned about 561 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. I'm not the ball throwing the ball, catching 562 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: the ball. Now. Of course, it'd be great to have 563 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: Drew Pierce's hands, you know, just huge, long and like 564 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: like spider webs or whatever. Be nice to have like 565 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: a hell I'll call Michael hands. I saw him this 566 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: past weekend, but I just had thee That's why most 567 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: of the time I was going up with two hands, 568 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: you know. But you gotta be able to you gotta 569 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: be able to judge if you can't judge it, no 570 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: matter how big your hands, you can't. Yeah, I'm sure 571 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: Biden Jones hands are bigger than mine. How many picks 572 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: does he have shots fired? I'm just what you're another contractor? 573 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: All right, that's pretty good. And by the way, the 574 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: Combine has a slightly different schedule this year. They're they're 575 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: leaning it towards a prime time coverage rather than the 576 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: middle of the day. How much do y'all get into 577 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: watching the Combine? Love it? I watch it every hand. 578 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: It depends on the position. I think he probably likes 579 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: the big guy you're watching, d you're watching, the more players, 580 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: he probably likes the I watch them all. I mean, 581 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: I really enjoy seeing those guys that I'm valling in 582 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: college and get see them get this opportunity. So and 583 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: then especially the forty times really interesting in those in 584 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: like linebacker shutter drills, you know, receiving drills, just seeing guys. Yeah, 585 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: the shuttle is to me more exciting than all. Yeah, 586 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: I love it. I love I love seeing and just 587 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: seeing those guys that you've projected to go high and 588 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: see how they actually do in some of those drills. 589 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: And when you start talking about these drills the forty times, 590 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: I always thought, why does that tell me how good 591 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: I am? Why is that a barometer on how is 592 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: your time? Forty seven on a bad day, forty six 593 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: on a good day. And so if I'm with the 594 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: wind with a back win, you were okay? When did 595 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: the combine start? I don't know. Before me okay? So 596 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: but to me, he didn't he didn't get an everybody 597 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: to combat. Heck no, I was only I only had 598 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: eleven interceptions my senior year. I guess that don't qualified. 599 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: That's right there. But now when you start talking about 600 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: the drills forty nine time, to me, I don't think 601 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: that's a good way to show how good you are. 602 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: The shuttle time, to me, that really shows what the 603 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: actor shuttle back then. They did a shuttle back then, 604 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: but they they should do it for me. They don't 605 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: do it for me. They do a shuttle back then. 606 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: You know, they've added some new drills now that the 607 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: guys actually do drills in practice. So I don't know 608 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: if you remember, and I don't know how to describe it. 609 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: The defensive linemen they line up those blocking dummies and 610 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: they have to run in and out of them. Snack 611 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: them around them. They've added that drill, and they're gonna 612 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: tell yeah, because they want to see how guys, as 613 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: far as their mas and theirs, can I get around 614 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: this thing. Slap, go onto the next one. Slap it, 615 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: go on to the next one. And so they've ad it. 616 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: They're timing it, they're adding that drill. So I was 617 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: reading how they've added several drills more applicable to what 618 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: happens in pros than than what they've been. A guy 619 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: going there two twenty five and bench press thirty five times, 620 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, oh my god, it's gott strong. 621 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: He's good. First round like that standing broad drops twelve 622 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: feet outstanding. I mean, what was your standing, Brodect. I 623 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: think Byron's got you on that. I bet he did. 624 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: He got all of that. No, I think I may 625 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: have gotten about nine something like that. It wasn't amazing. 626 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: My thing was this. I was a basketball player, and 627 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: so you talk about the shuttle and things that, you know, 628 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: we did gases in basketball practice. I love that. I 629 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: loved it. I looked forward to gas because I was 630 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: good at it, you know, just running the lines, and 631 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: to me, that shows the agility that you need the 632 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: footwork that you're gonna need to me. It's a it's 633 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: a drill that really shows all in one what kind 634 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: of athlete you're looking at, you know, having your hands, 635 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, not figuring that, not figuring that into the equation, 636 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: but just the ability to use your body to see 637 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 1: how a person exactly, I can evaluate a person running 638 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: the shuttle better than I can running the floor. So 639 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: you think you would have had a sub four second 640 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: twenty yard shuttle, Well, I know I would have. I 641 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: was very good anytime after practice I was. I was 642 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: in shape. I was always in shape. I was always 643 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: in shape more than anyone on the team. Dips uh 644 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,720 Speaker 1: the medicine ball we used to do. Me and Dennis 645 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: Thurman did so many it was no big deal. So 646 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: when you evaluate evaluate, So the short shuttle is something 647 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: you would look at the short shuttle time. We're talking 648 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: about change of directions for the movement. Okay, those are 649 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: the things that matter back, Yeah, how quickly do you 650 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: go from one point to the other, not how fast? Okay, 651 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: quickness is one thing. Fast is another thing. So I 652 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: always like the quickness more and that's how I made 653 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: my living. But about your critical vertical was good. It 654 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: was got at thirty three back then. That was good. 655 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: Thirty three was all I needed and my arms along, 656 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: so everything compensates for the other. And in my mind anyway, 657 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: now this with the new b Jones at a forty 658 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: four and a half, yeah, wow, I mean up out 659 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: of I remember Ron Springs Son, Sean Springs. It was 660 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: something ridiculous like that forty seven thirty six that was 661 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: to me, that was ridiculous at the time, thirty eight 662 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: at that time. Alright, I've got Byron Jones numbers called 663 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: up here. Okay, six nine okay, ten inch hands, forty 664 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: four and a half vertical and that broad jump was 665 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 1: twelve for you, wasn't it. That's what I thought. Yeah, 666 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: yeah it was. He it was a record. I'll distanced 667 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: everyone by nine inches. Yeah. His cone his cone drill 668 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: was six point seven eight okay, and his short shuttle 669 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: was three ninety four. Yeah. That's good. That's impressive. That 670 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: is well. Yeah, he was. He was the darling of 671 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: the combat. That's why he can cover. Well, Mickey, I 672 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: was going to ask you as far as the new 673 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: coaching staff being at the combine and evaluating players, and 674 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: we're still kind of in that mode where we're trying 675 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 1: to guess exactly what the team is looking for. Obviously 676 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: there are a lot of holes on the defensive side. 677 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: What I mean, what if all of amongst the players 678 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: that you've probably avoid waited, do you believe is just 679 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: number one on the list as far as this new 680 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: coaching staff down And indeed, well, I think that's what 681 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: the coaching staff. I thought this was interesting and Steven 682 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: pointed it out. The coaching staff and the scouts along 683 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: with the front office guys have been getting together, so 684 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: the scouts understand what the coaches want. And the last 685 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: thing you want to do is draft a guy and 686 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: then the coach gets him and goes he doesn't fit 687 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 1: in mycens So what they're working on right now is 688 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what does the defensive line coach 689 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: want compared to what Marinelli wanted, or what does the 690 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: secondary coach want compared to what Chris Richard wanted. And 691 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: I think they're trying to get a consensus on that 692 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: type of stuff before they get to the point where 693 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about it's like Okay, let's have this guy 694 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: or let's take that guy. But I think Stephen repeatedly 695 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: said that this has to be a very defensive the 696 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: office offseason for the Cowboys, that they've got to repair 697 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: the defense. And I think he's absolutely right. That's what 698 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: we say it in here, right, he must have been 699 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: listening to I mean, think about it. And so if 700 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: you are, you thinking in terms of free agency or 701 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: the draft, all of it, resigning, free agency, so many 702 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: issues with it. You gotta look at all options. You 703 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 1: can't just, you know, say you got to go free agency, 704 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: but because you have to. But you can't just say 705 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: free agency because no defense in the draft last year 706 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 1: their second round pick, Yeah, defensive player that turn out yeah, 707 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 1: which is my point, But which is and you take 708 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: care of that stuff in free agency. They have a draft, 709 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: you're taking the best player you can get. Your head, 710 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: they have enough needs, they have enough needs that they 711 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: can do that. And you wouldn't say, well, why did 712 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: you do that? Because I think if you think about it, 713 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: after Dak and Amari, Okay, now what's next, what position 714 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: do you have to worry about? To me, it's cornerback 715 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: and defensive event. I've always said safety. I've always said, Sam, 716 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: you're a safety guy. To me, safeties down the list 717 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,879 Speaker 1: because my corners are covering, they make the safety better. 718 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: All right, So does this team need a draft pick 719 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: safety or do they need a veteran safety? Good question, 720 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: and I was just thinking about that. To me, I 721 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: would love to have a nice free agent safety with 722 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: experience that can adapt to any situation. And then how 723 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: much money are you willing to invest in that? I'm 724 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: going to invest good money into that. But because this 725 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: guy's going to be the one that anchors my secondary, 726 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: and is he a what skills do you want that 727 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: person to have? Center field range he's got to have. 728 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: We had no range in our secondary. We looked at 729 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 1: We always talked about the Jets game. I'm sorry, Spats, 730 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to bring that up again, but the 731 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: Jets game itself the study to go on. He should 732 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 1: he should have still made that play. He still should 733 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: have made that play. You need someone that's it's not 734 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 1: just the range. Range comes with anticipation. Okay, you're you've 735 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: you've already diagnosed what's gonna happen. You don't react, You've 736 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 1: already and anticipated that it's gonna happen. So you should 737 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: know that I've got only so many options out here, 738 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: and I need to take a quick mental note, quick 739 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: mental note on where that's gonna be. And that way 740 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,240 Speaker 1: my steps are quicker to me. Your your feet follow 741 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: your brain. So if you recognize it, then your feet 742 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: are gonna follow in turn. And he recognized it too slowly. 743 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: So just read and react, Read and react. But once again, 744 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: you still have to have the range to get there 745 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: once you But what do you think about the guys 746 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: that the safeties that they have That guy Xavier McKinley, 747 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: McKinney the safety, No, no, no, I'm talking about the 748 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: safety in the draft, you know from Alabama? And he 749 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: is he a free or is he a box? He's 750 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: a free? I mean this better be a free. I 751 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: don't want to spend money on a guy that's playing 752 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 1: five yards. So basically, the conventional wisdom has always said, 753 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, look, let's take the best guy that's on 754 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: the board. But the Cowboys can't afford if there's a 755 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: great tight end that comes down to that area. Or 756 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: let's say a receiver. Do you draft a receiver in 757 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: the first round when you know that the needs that 758 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: you have are on defense and there's a guy in there, 759 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: so everyone's saying, you know, hey, let's take the what 760 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: your needs are. Now, who doesn't know what the needs 761 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: are because you don't know what's going to happen in 762 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: Free We don't we don't know whether what's happening with 763 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: Cooper yet, So all right, so hypothetically, let's let's let's 764 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: if you don't get Cob back, what if I saw 765 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: a mock draft today that gave him CD lamb. So 766 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: what happens is in a lot of teams, when you 767 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: when you reach the thing, when you reach, you pay. 768 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: When you reach, you pay. And if you and if 769 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: the defense, if you're not able to get, take care 770 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: of those things as best you can. But if you 771 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,479 Speaker 1: can't get the guys, if you can't at the guys 772 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: right now, and then it comes down late in the 773 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: season and you hadn't made you hadn't filled those gaps, 774 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: and then you pay for it later. You can't take 775 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,959 Speaker 1: a guy with your first round knowing that you're gonna 776 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: have needs on the defense, if, like you said, you 777 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: don't get those those guys, take your pick in the 778 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: first round. Well that you took, you took defense, and 779 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,399 Speaker 1: you could have taken an offense. That's why you don't 780 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: still be again. That's why you don't reach on a 781 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: player that maybe doesn't fit your scheme. That's why the 782 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: synergy I mentioned last week has to be there. You 783 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: have to know what guy you're taking. That's why they 784 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: took Tcco because he fit right, yeah, and T J. 785 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: Watt didn't fit. Well look all right, well let's say this, 786 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: so we took we took we took Bobby Carpenter over 787 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: to rail sugs. I think you know, hindsight is always 788 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I'm talking about right now exactly what we need. 789 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: And we know we need a safety, we know we 790 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: need a defensive end. Does the safety get to make 791 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: all the difference in the world more so than a 792 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: pass rushing defensive end? And now, to me, that's when 793 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: you have to figure out what your system is. And 794 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: we don't know what. If it's uh, if it's passed 795 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: us uh you know heavy, then yeah, that's what you want. 796 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what what Mike Nolan's right philosophy is 797 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to pass with US. I know he 798 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: loves the blitz, and I know he loves active linebackers 799 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: that we do. Let me give you an example in 800 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: the draft Taco Charlton in the first round, defensive end. 801 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: Cowboys needed a defensive end. Okay, we need a defensive end. Okay, 802 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: well they took Taco Charlton. Okay, Juju Smith's Schuster is 803 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: sitting there. He went second round. Okay, Cheeto went one 804 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: pick ahead of Juju Smith's Schuster. Okay, we didn't need 805 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, so we're not taking Juju. Well, a 806 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: year later we needed a wide receiver. Des hitting on 807 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: the team anymore, and we're sitting there going, Okay, we 808 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,240 Speaker 1: got a trade for Amari Cooper. Now in the middle 809 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: of the season, we could have taken Juju smith Schuster, 810 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: but at the time him in the draft, we're sitting 811 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: there going, we don't need a wide receiver. We got 812 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: Doz Bryant. Why do we need a wide receiver. We 813 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: gotta take a defensive end. It changes so quickly in 814 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,360 Speaker 1: this league. I mean, you can go unique, no, but 815 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: you can go year after year after year and every 816 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: team and every team two eight. Okay, the Packers take 817 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson. What the and or eight or Old nine, 818 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 1: whichever year that was. It was oh eight because the 819 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys had two first round draft picks took Mike Jenkins 820 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: and Felix Jones. Okay, Jordy Nelson went in the second round. Well, 821 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,800 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are sitting there going, we don't need a 822 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: wide receiver. We don't need a wide They wind up 823 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: trading for Royal Williams and giving up another first round 824 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,439 Speaker 1: pick because they didn't they went for need rather than 825 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: the best player available. You know, and it's if twa 826 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: falls to seventeen. Let's just say something happens with the 827 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: medical report and two of falls to seventeen, do you 828 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: take two of somebody will want them and I'll trade down. 829 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: But I'm saying, I mean, I mean, all things being equal, 830 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: you have quarterback. It's an equal No. Well, here's here's 831 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,959 Speaker 1: the thing. You asked me a question about which would 832 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 1: I take a defensive lineman over a safety. I'm obviously 833 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,959 Speaker 1: going to take a defensive lineman because of DB's best friend. 834 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: It's the guys that are up, and so you know, 835 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: look again, I said, conventional wisdom says take the guy 836 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 1: with the highest grade on your board. But you look 837 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: at what you need versus what you want. And every 838 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: team can go back over the draft board and say, 839 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: you know what, gosh, we missed a great opportunity to 840 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: get a player. But right now, you gotta trust the 841 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: guys that are on the side, the other side of 842 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: the building to make the right decision. But I bet 843 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: you anything that like in the case of Juju versus Taco, 844 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: that the majority of people would say Juju Smith Schuster 845 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 1: is a better football player than Taco Charlton today, No, 846 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: they would have said that then. I mean, it was 847 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,839 Speaker 1: it was apparent to me that Jude, you gotta take 848 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: Juju over this game, you know, because if you think 849 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: about when they took Taco, it was like, well, this 850 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: guy's improving in in a year or two, he'll be 851 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 1: better than what he is now right on the come. 852 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: And it never happened, or at least not in the 853 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: system the Cowboys were playing. 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Well, 893 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: if you go to Jack Block, no pick six as well. 894 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 1: Now here's how you can get your pick six free. 895 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: You go to Jack Black and you have six free 896 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,520 Speaker 1: deluxe samples with your seventy five dollar perches. You can 897 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: pick something like TurboWash industrial strength handhealer might make your 898 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: hands stick your hand, that's right, Pure clean daily facial cleanser. 899 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:53,919 Speaker 1: And this one is Bill's favorite deep dive glycolic facial cleanser. Wow, 900 00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: and that's stuff, just four his own commercials. That's what 901 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: the word up. Just go to Jack Black dot com 902 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: deep dive, what glycolics basic clin You don't you don't 903 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: use it the word, man, I don't tell the word. 904 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: It's really good stuff. Guess what tonight eleven fifty nine 905 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: is the deadline to pick your six. So it's just 906 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 1: like a scrub. Yeah, okay, so you did have a pickup. 907 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 1: You did have a pick six? I have one in 908 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,840 Speaker 1: New York. Yeah. Heck, man, do you ever have a 909 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: pick six in your life? I have yes, Remember I 910 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 1: have one in that list. I have one one, man, 911 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,760 Speaker 1: I relive it every day. Give me the details. What happened. 912 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 1: I was at Lincoln High School Spragg Stadium against Roosevelt 913 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: High School. Yeah. Never the quarterback Mike Dean, Mike Dean, 914 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 1: what make you? What about your pigs in West Minnesota? 915 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 1: Don't believe I ever had a pick six? Bill, if 916 00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,759 Speaker 1: you're coming around to me, and I did have a 917 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,160 Speaker 1: pick six in my life. I think it was ten 918 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: and under Irving YMCA football. I picked off Bill Banowski 919 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: and took it to the house. Wow, you remember his name? 920 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,320 Speaker 1: I remember his name that. The question is when you 921 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,239 Speaker 1: got to the end zone, could you breathe? How long 922 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 1: was It's like twenty yards? It was like it was 923 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: like Larry Brown in the Super Bowl. I made it 924 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,839 Speaker 1: to the end zone right by the way. Yeah is nil. 925 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: O'Donnell was asking if you could breathe. The XFL needs 926 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: to rethink this. The dude runs back a kickoff ninety 927 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: yards for a touchdown. The next thing, you know, what 928 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: did you do? The guy like he couldn't breathe was done. 929 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 1: At least That's why I asked you breathe, because I'm 930 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,399 Speaker 1: telling you I could not. I went sixty sixty yards. 931 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,800 Speaker 1: I was twenty yards. It was a house call. Nobody 932 00:52:51,920 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 1: caught you. No man out on the flatplane corner, no linebacker, 933 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 1: linebacker okay in Dallas, but Ed Ed screwed it up. 934 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,719 Speaker 1: I just looked like I was just so smooth. I 935 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 1: looked like Cooper going through that and weaving through the 936 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,280 Speaker 1: offense and bump into the end zone and Ed Jones 937 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: clips a guy. No, I'm already like five years payback 938 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,880 Speaker 1: must beginning. Your buck whip this game for you to 939 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: just have to do that. I'm already at spags. He's 940 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,400 Speaker 1: clipping the guy back here where I am and uh. 941 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,400 Speaker 1: We end up losing that game. And it's so funny. 942 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:40,080 Speaker 1: Brad Sham said that that penalty cost us our playoffs 943 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,319 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty seven. Whoa because we lost that game 944 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: against the Raiders. It was a Sunday night game, I believe, 945 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,319 Speaker 1: and we once we lost that game, that took us 946 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,279 Speaker 1: out of position. Uh, and we were desperate after that 947 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty s you know what that led to. 948 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,319 Speaker 1: That led to February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine, one 949 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:18,359 Speaker 1: years ago today, Crisp very difficult meeting. It's very very sad. 950 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,359 Speaker 1: It's tough when your break a relationship that we've had 951 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 1: for twenty nine years. I just want to say this, 952 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,440 Speaker 1: there is no substitute for winning. I know that's a cliche, 953 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,840 Speaker 1: but we must win. We will win. When is the 954 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 1: name of the game. A man that is going to 955 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,840 Speaker 1: be with the Cowboys is Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy's on his 956 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,480 Speaker 1: way back to Miami. He's gonna come back up here 957 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,359 Speaker 1: and he's gonna give everything in the heart and soul 958 00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:03,279 Speaker 1: of Jimmy Johnson. This is a new generation, but there 959 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: it was thirty one years ago. Mickey, you were there, 960 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,160 Speaker 1: I was there, were you there? I was in San Antonio. 961 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,719 Speaker 1: I was working in San Antonio at the time. I 962 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,399 Speaker 1: was sitting in that room listening to that. And when 963 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,759 Speaker 1: we were done writing, I remember this as clear as day. 964 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,600 Speaker 1: Text invited us into his office said hey, when you 965 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,160 Speaker 1: come by, come have a beer. And I remember sitting 966 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 1: on the floor and it was like, you know how 967 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: you go to kind of a funeral and then afterwards, 968 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: when the ceremonies over, you kind of gather with you 969 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: just and we were just reminiscing, and it was like 970 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 1: it was a funeral for tex because he knew he 971 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: was that, he knew he was out the door, and 972 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,759 Speaker 1: even in this we were all sitting there and uh, 973 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 1: I remember it was kind of somber. And Frank Lux, 974 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,399 Speaker 1: a steam writer for the Times Herald at that time. 975 00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:01,080 Speaker 1: It was his birthday February twenty fifth as well. A 976 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 1: matter of fact, he would have turned eighty four today, 977 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,640 Speaker 1: passed away at seventy seven. I remember he got up 978 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 1: and he goes, well, go home. So my birthday's almost 979 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: over Henrietta is waiting for me white the time? Did 980 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: the press conference have eight o'clock or so? It was 981 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 1: late because Jerry had gone to Austin to give coach 982 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,959 Speaker 1: Landry the news on the golf course early evening six 983 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,239 Speaker 1: secause I want to say that the meeting at the 984 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 1: golf course in Austin was late afternoon because I was 985 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: monitoring in that in San Antonio and it was dark 986 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,320 Speaker 1: by the time the press conference happened. Well, when we 987 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: went into Texas office, it was late because we had 988 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: already finished writing and hit our deadlines. When papers actually 989 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,280 Speaker 1: had deadlines that allowed you to get breaking news instead 990 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,000 Speaker 1: of saying go to the website and read the story. Right. 991 00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, I remember that as clear as as clear 992 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 1: as I think about that, that whole advantage. You see 993 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,439 Speaker 1: how sad text was, but you you I could feel 994 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,359 Speaker 1: that in this room here. I always thought that they 995 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,800 Speaker 1: were a victim of their own demise in that regard, 996 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,320 Speaker 1: and I always look back in the nineteen eighty seven 997 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 1: that strettrike that killed our team, It really did. It 998 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,439 Speaker 1: killed our team. You know that interception he got called 999 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,680 Speaker 1: back one of the other I think that you saw 1000 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 1: at that time. Uh, they were very ingenious with the 1001 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,640 Speaker 1: scab games and things of that nature, replacement players and 1002 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,520 Speaker 1: all of that. And what it did here the locker 1003 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: room and just the organization erode it from that point. 1004 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,200 Speaker 1: Uh you look at and you look at how the 1005 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys handled the strike versus how the Redskins handled the strike. 1006 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs refused to allow his players to piecemeal their 1007 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 1: way in or out, either you all the way in, 1008 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,120 Speaker 1: all the way out, you know, and they all stuck 1009 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,480 Speaker 1: together as a unit. And I think that did a 1010 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 1: lot for that organization. And when you saw what happened 1011 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,520 Speaker 1: with US eighty seven, you know, after you saw Dorset 1012 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,360 Speaker 1: and Randy White, Doug Cosby, all these guys playing within 1013 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 1: the scab games, and uh, I just thought it just 1014 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 1: erased any type of confidence that not just the players 1015 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 1: had in the organization. There was always players versious management. 1016 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 1: But to me, this eroded the locker room itself. And 1017 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of it was because of way their contracts 1018 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,440 Speaker 1: were structured. They were told they had to go in 1019 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:42,040 Speaker 1: because they had come on said and they didn't know. 1020 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 1: They chose that. Let's don't get me mad, now, they 1021 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,440 Speaker 1: chose that excuse, right, I know, I know, they chose 1022 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 1: that excuse and they all had the same annuities, and 1023 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: Danny White was in the same situation. And then it 1024 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 1: kind of forced two tall Randy Dorset, Yeah, uh, Cosby 1025 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,440 Speaker 1: and all and they're all the guys. These are the 1026 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,160 Speaker 1: guys in the locker room, and they played them. They 1027 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: play It was one thing to say that had to 1028 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,960 Speaker 1: go in, but they played him. And so when when 1029 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,000 Speaker 1: and and coach Landry he was complicit. I mean he 1030 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 1: should have known better, He should have known better. But 1031 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 1: at that time he was also and he always said 1032 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: he wasn't, but he was also management. He was the 1033 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: three headed you know, leadership at that Remember the day 1034 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,000 Speaker 1: when Texts came out and argued you with you guys. 1035 00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 1: You guys were on the picket line and by the 1036 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 1: parking lot and text came out and arguing with the guys. 1037 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 1: It was like, this isn't getting anywhere. Was motivated, he 1038 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,280 Speaker 1: was motivated. He was motivated. Yeah, well you know, and 1039 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,440 Speaker 1: then the next year you don't have a quarterback. Yeah, 1040 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,400 Speaker 1: Steve pel Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy. 1041 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,280 Speaker 1: It just got it just got worse and worse from there. 1042 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,800 Speaker 1: So when you see texts, how sad he was. That 1043 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 1: was a culmination of a lot of different events that 1044 00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,920 Speaker 1: pretty much he put in place. As far as I'm 1045 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,160 Speaker 1: to say, he was the He was the designer of 1046 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,920 Speaker 1: the scab games, the replacement teams, that was replacement players. 1047 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,200 Speaker 1: That was all his idea. It was. It was right 1048 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 1: there at Valley Ranch. Well, they came up with that hole. 1049 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,240 Speaker 1: Here's the other thing that happened in the eighties. Rod 1050 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Hill nineteen eighty two. Now, Jeff Coo was a good 1051 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,520 Speaker 1: pick in eighty three state Uh yep, Billy Cannon. Billy 1052 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:29,120 Speaker 1: Cannon in eighty four, Kevin Brooks memory, he heard, Jeff, guys, 1053 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,480 Speaker 1: do realize I'm in the hotel Thomas shit right now, 1054 01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Michael Serard in eighty six two broken legs, 1055 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,919 Speaker 1: came back in eighty seven year, and then they came 1056 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,360 Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty eight and came up with Michael Irvin, 1057 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,240 Speaker 1: followed by Ken Norton. But you have drafts like that 1058 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,120 Speaker 1: throughout the eighties. Michael Levin was hurt almost his entire 1059 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,760 Speaker 1: rookie year. That's try. Yeah. He came back last game 1060 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,280 Speaker 1: and toasted Dale Green for almost two hundred yards. There 1061 01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,480 Speaker 1: you go, and we said that's our guy. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, 1062 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,080 Speaker 1: but you have drafts like that, which gets us back 1063 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,200 Speaker 1: to this week at the combine. So wait, let me 1064 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: do one more thing. So the last person in that 1065 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,920 Speaker 1: picture was Bumbright, who was the owner then, so he 1066 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 1: bought the team. Um was an end of eighty three. 1067 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:20,000 Speaker 1: It was before Clint Murkison. But okay, so I saw 1068 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:25,360 Speaker 1: this Trump quote, this quote right there January first, nineteen 1069 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,479 Speaker 1: eighty four in the New York Times. Right. I feel 1070 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,800 Speaker 1: sorry for the poor guy who was going to buy 1071 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,760 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. It's a no win situation for him 1072 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,880 Speaker 1: because if he wins, well so what they've won through 1073 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,920 Speaker 1: the years. And if he loses, which seems likely because 1074 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,560 Speaker 1: they're having troubles, he'll be known to the world as 1075 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,240 Speaker 1: a loser. Donald J. Trump. This is coming from a 1076 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,080 Speaker 1: guy that won three dollars in the settlement with the usfail. Right, 1077 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,840 Speaker 1: see how that works out? Yeah? And your what's he doing? Yeah? Right? 1078 01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,000 Speaker 1: All right? Doesn't for this edition that talking Cowboys, and 1079 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,760 Speaker 1: we will talk at you again next week with our 1080 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:10,000 Speaker 1: combine reviews. Heck mcget on that home on. This has 1081 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,880 Speaker 1: been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the 1082 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,640 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Football Club