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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Scott Peterson shock claim that

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Speaker 1: his unborn son, his unborn baby boy, Connor's body, proves

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Speaker 1: he's innocent, that he did not murder Lacy Peterson and

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Speaker 1: their unborn child Connor. Really, good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my father love call, He went, saying, well, morning,

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Speaker 2: my daughter has been lifting this morning. Eight months pregnanty

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Speaker 2: took her dog for a walk full of heart from here.

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Speaker 2: God came home with the belief shock dog came back

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Speaker 2: forgot you got it?

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Speaker 3: Peter Peter pry White.

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Speaker 2: Portuguesay, she's twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Then come back that we don't know.

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Speaker 2: We've just got a call from our son in law

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Speaker 2: that he left at twenty at nine, the play off

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Speaker 2: at home about a half hour ago, nowhere around way

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Speaker 2: walked it in here and that's part.

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Speaker 5: He said.

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Speaker 6: Pardon eight months pregnant? Did it ever strike you?

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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel, But there are three

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Speaker 1: guests that everybody wants to talk to no offense to

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Speaker 1: the other guests joining us is Jero number four, and

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Speaker 1: I guess we can reveal his name now. Mike Belmacieri

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Speaker 1: joining us also with me. Al Brakini, detective on the case.

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Speaker 1: That name is dedicated to memory Forever and also tattooed

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Speaker 1: on my brain.

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Speaker 6: John Buehller, another.

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Speaker 1: Detective on the Scott Peterson case. I mean, let me

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Speaker 1: just start with you, John, did this strike you at

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Speaker 1: the very beginning? Why isn't her husband calling nine to

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Speaker 1: one one?

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, there were a lot of things that struck

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Speaker 7: us with him. His behavior was very unusual from the start,

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Speaker 7: and even when Al was dealing with him, there were

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Speaker 7: a lot of things that came up that we just

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Speaker 7: don't see that often when we're dealing with people that

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Speaker 7: are suffering.

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Speaker 8: A loss like this.

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Speaker 7: Even though he didn't know she was well, he knew

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Speaker 7: she was dead, but nobody else.

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Speaker 1: Did you say something like that, John Bueller? You can't

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Speaker 1: just drop a bomb and then not put out the fire.

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Speaker 1: What thing struck you right off the bat?

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Speaker 7: Well, when you know this, Nancy and most of your

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Speaker 7: viewers do too. When people have an emergency like this

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Speaker 7: in the family and somebody loved is missing and they

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Speaker 7: just they're frantic, They're just all over the place. They

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Speaker 7: got one hundred questions for us. They're constantly bugging us

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Speaker 7: about why aren't you doing this, Why aren't you doing that?

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Speaker 7: We only have so many resources available, and we're trying

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Speaker 7: to answer their questions and knew the job at the

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Speaker 7: same time. But the only one of all these people,

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Speaker 7: whether it was Lacey's friends or family or any associates,

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Speaker 7: the only one who wasn't frantic about this the whole

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Speaker 7: time was Scott And that is unusual. We've seen it before.

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Speaker 7: Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but it's just one more

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Speaker 7: piece of circumstantial evidence that convinced us that he did it.

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Speaker 7: Putting the case together, and then obviously it can you

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Speaker 7: can convinced Mike and the other juris or the other

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Speaker 7: jury members that he had done it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you one thing you told me about

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Speaker 1: Bueller that I didn't know, and I thought I knew

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Speaker 1: every fact of the case, was that once Lacey and

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Speaker 1: Connor's bodies had washed up on the shore, her in

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Speaker 1: horrible decomposition, and baby Connor like a pristine little baby doll,

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Speaker 6: He was in perfect shape. You tell Peterson, we just

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Speaker 6: got the DNA back. The body is Lacey, And what

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Speaker 1: Take a double double with cheese fry and a vanilla

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Speaker 6: Within minutes he wanted a double double.

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Speaker 1: You know what when I was told my fiance was killed,

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Speaker 6: I thought there was a car crash. I don't think

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Speaker 6: I ate again for I don't even know how long

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Speaker 1: I remember the first thing I consumed, it was some

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Speaker 6: After that, but he was happy to get a double double.

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Speaker 1: Within minutes of learning that dead body, those horribly decomposed

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Speaker 1: remains were Lacey. Alborhini joining me a name that many

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Speaker 1: people have only read about or heard about. ALBERKINI leading,

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Speaker 1: along with Bueller, the investigation into Lacey and Connor's disappearance.

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Speaker 1: Al did it ever strike you right at the get go?

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Speaker 1: Why is it Peterson calling nine one one.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that struck me as much as

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Speaker 5: what he was doing. I mean, he first neighbor thought

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Speaker 5: he was golfing when he was fishing. But that didn't

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Speaker 5: strike me. But what did strike me was he wouldn't

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Speaker 5: take a polygraph. He said he would on that night,

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Speaker 5: on the December twenty fourth, and he refused on the

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Speaker 5: search his phone, search his computer. And it was all

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Speaker 5: I told him, It's like, we want to just check

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Speaker 5: Maybe there was some strange things in the house that

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Speaker 5: that was and he refused the polly. So those were

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Speaker 5: some red flags right in the beginning. Still didn't push

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Speaker 5: I mean, those were all red flags.

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Speaker 6: Too, just his clothes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a whole other can of worms right there,

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Speaker 1: that he sullenly turned neat Nick and only wanted to

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Speaker 6: I knew he did laundry, but I didn't remember he

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Speaker 1: Mike, Bill Mascieri joining US Jero number four, former chief

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Speaker 6: I remember injury selection. I wanted you because chief of staff,

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Speaker 6: Marine Corps. Okay, they don't play all right, Mike? Did

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Speaker 1: Go when you're sitting there listening to that nine to

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Speaker 6: Why didn't he call the moment he realized his wife

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, For myself, I like to listen to everything

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Speaker 4: But it was strange, but not so strange that I

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Speaker 4: been doing a lot of things. Ron Grantsky made the call.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know with Scott Peterson, it's not one thing, it's

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Speaker 4: all the things. You just you just can't pick at

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Speaker 4: point to one in my in my opinion, which with

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Speaker 4: you know you can't say, Okay, this is what happens. Oh,

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Speaker 4: this makes it guilty. No, you have to take a

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Speaker 4: look at the entire picture and you have to put

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Speaker 4: it all together. And the only way you can do

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Speaker 4: which we did it during deliberations without any outside influences.

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Speaker 1: Mike Bell Mescieri, j'reror number four in the Scott Peterson trial.

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Speaker 6: I'm so glad you said what you just said, because

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Speaker 6: if you had said.

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Speaker 1: Anything else, defense Attorney Troy Slayton would have had a

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Speaker 1: field day that you made up.

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Speaker 6: Your mind the moment you heard the nine one one call.

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Speaker 6: But that's not what he said, is it, Slayton?

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Speaker 11: That's not what he said. But you also didn't ask

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Speaker 11: him if his opinion would change now if he heard

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Speaker 11: new information, and there is new information that is dropping

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Speaker 11: just recently in this twenty year old case.

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Speaker 1: Nancy straight out to renowned death investigator, Professor forensics Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: State University.

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Speaker 6: And author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: The star of a Hitting You podcast series, Body Bags

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Speaker 1: with Josephcott Morgan Joe Scott, thank you for.

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Speaker 6: Being with us.

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Speaker 1: What is Garag's claiming now using baby Connor's body as

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Speaker 12: Yeah, hey, look, you can't have it both ways. Remember

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Speaker 12: what the defense team also said. They said that whoever

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Speaker 12: these people were that were responsible for Lacey's death, they

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Speaker 12: actually cut his body out of herbs. Remember that, That's

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Speaker 12: what they argued. You can't have it both ways. So

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Speaker 12: the body is intact to a great degree. Remember they

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Speaker 12: that Connor's remains were I'm not wordying about that were

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Speaker 12: the prosecution called those numbers were based on actual nineteen

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Speaker 1: There have been published. In nineteen eighty four the study

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and so one of the things that happens, just

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Speaker 12: we're going to measure gestational I would be very curious

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Speaker 1: three experts who were there during the trial and actually

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Speaker 1: weighed the evidence. First of all, to Brukinnie, you know what,

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Speaker 1: The medical examiner at the time said that Lacey's body

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Speaker 1: Last muscles to decompose, the thickest muscle, is the uterus.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it does. Yeah, I think it does.

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Speaker 7: But you know, this is one of those things they're

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Speaker 7: it's not an exacting science. I'm not a scientist or

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Speaker 10: That many days.

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Speaker 7: But if they do, that's going to poke holes in

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Speaker 6: And why let me throw this to al BROKINI.

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Speaker 1: Why would this new theory that Peterson has come up

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Speaker 1: this new theory they've come up with ruin his burglary theory?

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Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you one thing. If they think

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Speaker 5: there's a five hundred thousand dollars reward out for information

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Speaker 5: for her return, that's crazy. There's nobody in Modesto. Those

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Speaker 5: burglars especially, he could buy them off for about fifty

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Speaker 5: She was gone by then the twenty fourth. She was

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Speaker 6: So, Mike, you're number four, Mike Bellmacieri.

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Speaker 1: Does anybody really believe that a bunch of men, typically

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Speaker 1: a female juror the exact day of gestational age, because

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Speaker 1: you know what, my children were born six weeks early. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I don't buy any of that, But what I

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Speaker 1: they decided, oh yeah, we don't want the baby anymore.

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Speaker 1: Now that we've kidnapped her and taken the baby out

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Speaker 1: That doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 4: Mike Nancy. You hit on an interesting point, common sense,

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Speaker 4: but we have to realize common sense is not common.

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Speaker 4: Number one, Number two Gargos. Garagos put on an expert

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Speaker 4: all know how that went. Also, you know, Garagos reaches

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Speaker 4: I believe al BROKINI was present with a great bartas

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Speaker 4: he suggested during intimidation, during deliberations. Well, he wasn't in

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Speaker 13: I was.

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Speaker 4: That's a lie. Regarding the issue of where the bodies

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Speaker 4: there was a terrible storm, and so you can't you

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Speaker 10: You know, I don't you know.

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Speaker 4: And as far as the science, we're talking about days,

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Speaker 10: So to speak?

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Speaker 4: And of course, you know, things in twenty one years,

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Speaker 4: it's been almost since we issued that verdict, things have changed.

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Speaker 4: But I don't believe that we're so arrogant to think

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Speaker 4: you know, somebody once told me, there's no absolutes. Well,

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Speaker 4: I'll give you an absolute I'm absolutely convinced that Scott

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Speaker 4: Peterson is guilty of murdering his wife. And I'm born child.

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Speaker 4: And when the La Innocence Project called me, that's exactly

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Speaker 10: I go again.

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Speaker 4: I'll listen to anything you have to say. I'm a

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Speaker 4: and tell me it's.

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Speaker 1: Raining convicted double killer Scott Peterson trying every trick in

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Speaker 6: Well, listen to this.

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Speaker 14: I was searching for my family. I wanted to search,

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Speaker 14: to continue stay in contact with Ambry Thotty, and she

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Speaker 14: for what.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's Scott Peterson in Peacock's face to face with

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson explaining why he kept leading Amber Fry, his mistress,

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Speaker 1: he didn't, and I stayed in touch. I stayed in

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Speaker 6: Have you ever heard a.

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Speaker 1: Bigger load technical legal term of BS in your life?

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Speaker 1: Let me just throw that out to BRAKINI ever heard

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Speaker 5: I've never heard a bigger load. And for him to

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Speaker 5: predict to Amber three weeks before she was missing that

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Speaker 5: he predicted it. He predicted that he's going to lose

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Speaker 5: his wife three weeks before. So I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember he said it would be his first

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Speaker 6: Boo who Okay, Now there is another.

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Speaker 1: Claim in addition to baby Connor's fetus proves he's innocent.

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Speaker 1: Now there's another claim advanced by the la ip La

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Speaker 13: Defense attorneys also want to present an analysis by a

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Speaker 13: one of the Medina burglars on December thirty first, just

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Speaker 1: Well, there go the police lying again in the Scott

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Speaker 6: It's all your fault. I hope you know it. I

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Speaker 1: To claim Burkini and Bueller did it. Okay, Bueller, let's

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Speaker 1: They say that a pawn shop owner states police came

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Speaker 6: I don't see what's he inconsistent about that?

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Speaker 7: George Stower was the detective was working the burglary along

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Speaker 6: And let me throw this to brukkini Al. The defense

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Speaker 9: That tells me that this was some situation where her

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Speaker 1: And all we hear about the burglary that happened across

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Speaker 8: the twenty fourth. That you can have a mountain of

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Speaker 8: circumstantial evidence, but when you change the date dramatically from

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Speaker 8: one day to another on a circumstantial murder case, that

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Speaker 8: alone supplies reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 6: That was from our friends.

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Speaker 1: Harvey Levin at TMZ two angry men with Mark Geragos.

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Speaker 1: Now this is a significance of the burglary, actually Christill

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Speaker 1: Lazar joining me Emmy Award winning investigative reporter k cal CBS.

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Speaker 6: What is a significance. How is the defense using.

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Speaker 1: The burglary across the street to suggest Lacey was taken

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Speaker 1: in connection with the burglary?

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Speaker 6: What are they saying?

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Speaker 15: They're trying to come up with a different motive and

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Speaker 15: say that Lacey saw the burglars, interrupted a burglary or

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Speaker 15: question them, and then they essentially had to take her

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Speaker 15: and get rid of her because she was a witness.

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Speaker 15: But you know, as others have pointed out, there was

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Speaker 15: so many people looking for Lacy Peterson. There was a

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Speaker 15: lot of money that was offered as a reward. I

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Speaker 15: find it hard to believe, having sat through the trial,

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Speaker 15: that that is a plausible motive and that she wouldn't

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Speaker 15: have been found alive had it been burglars who took

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Speaker 15: her and not her own husband.

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Speaker 1: Specifically, the la Innes's Project is arguing this.

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Speaker 16: The attorneys also argue that the break in at the

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Speaker 16: Medina's across the street from the Petersons and subsequent arson

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Speaker 16: of the burglars van was not properly investigated as being

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Speaker 16: tied to Lacey's disappearance. They claimed the Medina burglary occurred

467
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Speaker 16: on Christmas Eve, not December twenty sixth as the jury heard.

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Speaker 16: They also claimed Modesto police intentionally destroyed recordings of the

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Speaker 16: burglars interviews with details on how and when the burglary

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Speaker 16: occurred to hide that fact.

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Speaker 6: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the La Innocence Project insisting Scott Peterson

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Speaker 1: is innocent, making many four fetched claims and here's another one.

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Speaker 17: On the day Scott was convicted, after the ninth day

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Speaker 17: of deliberation, after removing three of the jurors, the prosecution

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Speaker 17: handed us a report from the Chino prison with a

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Speaker 17: lieutenant who had overheard a prisoner talking to his relative

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Speaker 17: talking about the burglary and talking about Lacey, and the

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Speaker 17: brother of the relative telling.

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Speaker 8: Him to shut up.

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Speaker 3: At prison guard overheard Lacey's name on one of the

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Speaker 3: burglar's phone calls. The prison guard says the burglars started

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Speaker 3: to discuss Lacey seeing and confront them, but the person

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Speaker 3: on the line told him to stop talking. The lawyers

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Speaker 3: claim the eyewitness account is exculpatory because it shows Lacey

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Speaker 3: was still alive after the Medina's left home around ten

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Speaker 3: thirty am.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, there was a virtuey costas people from home, a

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Speaker 14: lot of people, and I believe that Lacy went over there.

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Speaker 1: It's to see what was going on. Okay, you were

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Speaker 1: just hearing our friends at Two Angry Men podcast, Harvey

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Speaker 1: eleven and Mark Girigos and Peacock's face to face with

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson hold on straight to al BRAKINI So the

494
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Speaker 1: state hands the defense a document that says a lieutenant

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Speaker 1: within the jail overhears an inmate speaking to a relative.

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Speaker 1: They hear Lacey's name come up, and then somebody says

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Speaker 1: stop talking.

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Speaker 6: Stop talking. What if anything does that prove Lacy as

499
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Speaker 6: it relates to the burglary. That's it.

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Speaker 5: Well, that was pretty well investigated after we found out

501
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Speaker 5: about it. I mean, they went down and interviewed that lieutenant.

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Speaker 5: He couldn't find the tapes, couldn't find the log where

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Speaker 5: there was any names, and eventually he recanted, and that

504
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 5: came up even from the defense attorney said that he

505
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Speaker 5: recanted all that. I don't know if he said it

506
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Speaker 5: for money or if he said it for reward, but

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Speaker 5: he recanted. There's no tape, there's no log where anybody

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00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 5: showed where you have to log in that somebody's making

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Speaker 5: a phone call or he's on the phone. And so

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Speaker 5: I don't think that holds any water. Does any good

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Speaker 5: for Scott Peterson?

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Speaker 6: Do Jory Crassen joining me?

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Speaker 1: Renowned psychologists, faculty Saint Leo University, author of operations, Doctor Jory,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. This is excruciating to

515
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Speaker 1: Lacey's family. Sharon 's husband, Grant Sky Ron Grants Sky

516
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Speaker 1: has passed away. Now she's all alone, she has her

517
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Speaker 1: son still alive. This reopens the wounds again. I mean

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Speaker 1: it gets your RS investigators upset to hear these wild claims.

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Speaker 6: But what does it do to Lacy's family?

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Speaker 10: You know, being a victim yourself to violence, experiencing it,

521
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 10: it retraumatizes and it takes you right back to that

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Speaker 10: very moment. Okay, even though it's been twenty years, rest

523
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 10: assured myself. Also being a victim of violence resulting in death,

524
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Speaker 10: you relive that moment. It takes your way back to

525
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 10: it retraumatizes you, It disrupts your sleep. Then you start

526
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Speaker 10: to build like you know what is what if he

527
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Speaker 10: does get a new trial, what if he does do this, this,

528
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 10: this all that starts to build out, And that's that's

529
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Speaker 10: very difficult to deal with. And you know, it's just

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Speaker 10: the way our system is built, you know, where he

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Speaker 10: can challenge these things. But the victims once again are

532
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Speaker 10: being revictimized and being retraumatized by this whole new episode

533
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Speaker 10: that's developing.

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Speaker 1: And how can one strip of a duck tape demand

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson be released.

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Speaker 18: Peterson's new defense says multiple witnesses tie the orange van

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Speaker 18: found burned near the Modesto airport to the burglary at

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Speaker 18: the Medinas's home, and the stained mattress in the back

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Speaker 18: should have been tested more thoroughly after presumptively testing positive

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Speaker 18: for blood while testing of a small sample only revealed

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Speaker 18: a male profile. The Innocence Project argues the entire mattress

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Speaker 18: should have been tested, despite a judge disagreeing with them

543
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Speaker 18: on the same point. Last year, this was brought up.

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Speaker 1: To the judge, Christine Lazarge winning US from KCLCBSLA. The

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Speaker 1: judge said, Okay, the mattress has already been tested.

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Speaker 6: That's mail DNA.

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Speaker 1: What the defense is claiming is that this van, this

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Speaker 1: orange van that was burned up shortly after Lacey went missing,

549
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: shortly after the burglary, there it is is somehow connected

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Speaker 1: to the burglary. They've extrapolated that this must be connected.

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00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: There was a burned out mattress in the back of

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Speaker 1: it that was tested. It showed mail DNA. But there

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Speaker 1: was a piece of duct tape found stuck to Lacey's leg.

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Speaker 6: All right, The defense is now arguing.

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Speaker 1: The mattress in the back of the van was not

556
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Speaker 1: tested enough and they want more testing on that. Why

557
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: do they want the duct tape found on Lacey's leg tested?

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00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 15: Well, look, they're looking for other DNA evidence. They're looking

559
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Speaker 15: for a way to link her murder to someone else,

560
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Speaker 15: to the burglar's. To me, again, as someone who sat

561
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Speaker 15: through the trial, it feels like they're grasping for straws.

562
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Speaker 15: But that's what they're doing right now. I will say

563
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 15: here in Los Angeles, in this newsroom, we were all

564
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Speaker 15: very surprised when the La Innocence Project took up this case.

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Speaker 1: Joscott Morgan, What could they possibly want with the piece

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Speaker 1: of duct tape that was on Lacy's leg.

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Speaker 6: After all that time in the water.

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Speaker 12: Well. One of the things that we're looking for what

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Speaker 12: to refer to as plastic prints, that is in the

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Speaker 12: adhesive on the tape itself, if it's protected in any way,

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Speaker 12: say that part that's adherent to her leg, Did anybody

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Speaker 12: touch the adherent side with their bare hand, You can

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Speaker 12: get a print off that. They would also want to

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Speaker 12: look for any kind of hair deposition, because it can

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Speaker 12: catch hair at any moment in tom tape. Can We've

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Speaker 12: all experienced that over the years, and certainly if if

577
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Speaker 12: it was like torn, if you grab it with your teeth,

578
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Speaker 12: which you know I've done over the years, tear the tape,

579
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Speaker 12: you can do a deposition of saliva on there. So

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Speaker 12: those are the things that I guess in a perfect

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Speaker 12: world they'd be hoping for. But we're talking about a

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Speaker 12: body that was in San Francisco Bay, Nancy, that's a

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Speaker 12: very harsh environment. I don't know what they would mean nasty, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 12: I mean, and I'm a fisherman, and there's all kinds

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Speaker 12: of stuff that collects on all types of items out here.

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Speaker 1: Now, there's another issue related to this, Troyce s Layton

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Speaker 1: joining me renowned to la criminal defense attorney troy it

588
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Speaker 1: was months ago that the judge ordered further DNA testing

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Speaker 1: on that piece of duct tape attached to Lacey's leg.

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Speaker 6: I think she was still wearing pants attached to that.

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Speaker 1: And don't you know, Troyce Layton, the judge said, you

592
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Speaker 1: got forty five days to complete the testing it needed

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Speaker 1: to be testing. That was forty five days from her

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Speaker 1: July twenty fourth ruling. Don't you know if that duct

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00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: tape had revealed anything that exonerated Scott Peterson, they would

596
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: have been running back and forth in front of the

597
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Speaker 1: courthouse with it waving it he's innocent.

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Speaker 6: But we haven't heard a word.

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Speaker 1: One of the first times gear Ages has shut his

600
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: pie hole ever. Don't you know if that had come

601
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: back to exonerate Peterson, we'd all be hearing about it.

602
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 11: Well, we wouldn't, Nancy, because one of the part's important

603
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Speaker 11: parts about the judge's order, where she laid out very

604
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Speaker 11: specifically how this private company is to conduct the testing.

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Speaker 11: She said that any results are to be returned to

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Speaker 11: the court under seal, which means that nobody's allowed to

607
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Speaker 11: talk about it, nobody's allowed to see it, nobody's allowed

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Speaker 11: to know about it except the court, so there wouldn't

609
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Speaker 11: be waving it around in front of the courthouse and

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Speaker 11: no one would be allowed to talk about it.

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Speaker 14: You can and dessemble it for me that you had

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Speaker 14: lost your wives and now also in your wife's missus.

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Speaker 6: Alive, where she's alive media.

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Speaker 8: I've been telling everyone that I had come to through disaparent.

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00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 19: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two.

616
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 19: I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried.

617
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 19: Scott told me he was not married. We did have

618
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Speaker 19: a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in

619
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Speaker 19: the disappear of the Lacy Peterson disappearance of the case,

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Speaker 19: I immediately contacted the Modesto police.

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Speaker 6: Department amberfer I had no idea Peterson was married.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Troy Slayton, will you listen to that where she said, uh,

623
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Speaker 1: well she's alive and he completely ignored that, didn't answer that.

624
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: He's still leading on his mistress. He's still here's another

625
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: technical legal phrase, up wants to get a her pants.

626
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: Still his wife is missing, and he is still calling

627
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Amber Fry trying to get with her.

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Speaker 11: Well that recording, Nancy was at the behest of the

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Speaker 11: police department. She became an agent of the government by

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Speaker 11: conducting uh surveillance and surreptitious recordings of Peterson.

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Speaker 3: And so yes, have you ever never.

632
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Speaker 6: Have you never?

633
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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 11: Have you ever known someone to lie in order to

635
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 11: have sex? Oh? My goodness? Should that be crazy to everybody?

636
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Actually that I agree with. But not while your

637
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: wife an unborn baby are missing. No, I haven't just Peterson.

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Speaker 6: You know what, Let's put the icing on the cake.

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Speaker 6: Listen ever.

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Speaker 5: Ever, ever hear me?

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Speaker 17: Dear there there.

642
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Speaker 11: Ever?

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00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 17: Hey, happy their.

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Speaker 6: Going to thank you?

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00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 9: Are right there?

646
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 5: Yes, I wish you could give me.

647
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 8: I'm on the eye.

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00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 19: I think that you're there.

649
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Speaker 17: I'm my year, the I book, our New Year's unreal. God,

650
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Speaker 17: it's huge.

651
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the crowd is huge at your wife's vigil. The

652
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Speaker 6: crowd is huge.

653
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: There you hear Troy Slayton, Scott Pearson. I remember she

654
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Speaker 1: goes missing December twenty four. This is New Year's Eve,

655
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Speaker 1: December thirty one, midnight, and he is calling from Lacey's vigil,

656
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Speaker 1: calling his mistress, pretending he's ringing the New year in Paris.

657
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Speaker 1: Now you seem to argue that Scott Peterson's intent was

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Speaker 1: not in because police were recording it.

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Speaker 6: What does their recording have to do with what's going

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Speaker 6: on in his pants.

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Speaker 11: What I'm saying is a man is lying in order

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Speaker 11: to try and have sex with this woman. That's what

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Speaker 11: he's doing. It's very simple, it's very I'm.

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Speaker 6: Going to stop there to like.

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Speaker 1: To Mike Bell Mascieri, Mike, you're the Gerrard, You're our

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Speaker 1: number four.

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Speaker 4: I'm most then, and I understand what Troy is saying.

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Speaker 4: But you know, even if we were to remove the

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Speaker 4: fact that he was probably one of the greatest lion

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Speaker 4: studs in the world and his and his motivation was

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Speaker 4: to have sex with Amber, there's so much more to

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Speaker 4: the story. And and you know, again it is a

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Speaker 4: simple thing. You have to judge based on the entire

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Speaker 4: story and not just part of it. Was Scott Peterson

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Speaker 4: it you know, there are a chain of events. And

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Speaker 4: Garago spoke about behavior. Well, yeah, you know, I don't

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Speaker 4: care what the crime is, I don't care what the

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Speaker 4: trial's about. It will always come down to behavior and

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Speaker 4: what is the norm or what we expect from people. Now,

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Speaker 4: you take that and and and don't necessarily bias your

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Speaker 4: opinion on some things but take a look at the

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Speaker 4: entire story, the entire event from yes, I was hoping

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Speaker 4: for infertility, I didn't want children is what he was saying,

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Speaker 4: uh to you know, is his affair with Amber Fry,

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Speaker 4: his his behavior. You know, we was just indicated when

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Speaker 4: he said he was in Paris and his wife is missing.

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Speaker 4: What is reasonable? You know, when he's in the room

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Speaker 4: being questioned by I believe it was you Al BROKINI

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Speaker 4: and his phone rings and he picks it up. It's

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Speaker 4: his sister in law and he very casually talks to her.

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Speaker 4: And for the normal human being, if normal is really

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Speaker 4: something that exists, would you not be a little concerned about, Hey.

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Speaker 6: What's going on?

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Speaker 10: Is you know she?

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Speaker 12: Would you?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: He just he just kind of blows it off and

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Speaker 4: very casual about everything. You know, it just makes no sense.

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Speaker 4: And if it doesn't make sense, there's gotta be more.

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Speaker 8: To the to the issue.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing Mike Abela Sieri speaking during number four

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Speaker 1: ndy Scott Peterson trial.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it ain't over yet. Nancy Grace signing

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Speaker 10: Off, good night,