WEBVTT - BONUS: Everything Everywhere All At Once Oscars Crossover with Keep It 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:21.080 Warning, this podcast contains spoilers for Everything Everywhere All at Once. Hello, 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.800 my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Brinday Night, and 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.200 welcome to x ray Vision, the Crooked Media podcast where 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.560 we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:32.600 pop culture. And welcome to a special bonus episode. We're 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.880 having an epic crossover with our good friends and Keep 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:42.159 It to celebrate the Oscar run the wonderful film Everything 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:47.560 Everywhere All at Once, sweeping category after category. We're gonna 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.879 be discussing the film's awards. We'd be discussing our feelings 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.279 about the film. We're gonna be re airing our interview 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:59.080 with the directing team, the Daniels that we ran in 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.920 a previous episode of X ray Vision, and then you're 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.720 gonna hear our good friends from Keep It, Ira Madison 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:09.480 and Louis Fortell interview the legend Herself Academy Award win 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.640 a Michelle Yo, one of the greatest living human beings 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.479 of all time currently walking the earth. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:19.760 And if you want to jump around, check the show 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:21.760 notices for times times you're probably gonna need him, and 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:22.800 go and watch the movie. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.400 Please watch the movie, Okay, everything, Everywhere, all at once, 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.360 swept the Oscars over the weekend. They won seven Oscars, 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:37.919 including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actress from Michelle Yo. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.800 Best Original Screenplay. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.000 Best Actor in a Supporting Role for The Wonderful k kwon. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.920 Jamie Lee Kaies in an opposeet. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.320 Best Actress in a Supporting Role. I will sport, I will, 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.760 I will talk about my feelings. Best at Film Editing 0:01:55.440 --> 0:02:00.920 for the Very Handsome Paul Rodgers my favorite. I was like, 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.120 this is a man, really very dashing, Paul Roger. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.240 This is somebody I know. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.120 I'm like, this is how I would give an Oscar speech. 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.760 I would be awkward, hopefully look that good, and just 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.959 kind of be like, well, I think I won this. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:23.760 This is co producer Chris also also appreciate I would 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:29.800 he want to us. It's just like, well, well, Paul, hello, Okay. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.880 Yeah, I mean this is out of They won seven 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.480 out of eleven nominations. They won all the majors. This 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.680 is the third time ever in Oscar history that one 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.639 film has won three acting awards. One of the other 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.679 ones was Network. I'm not actually sure what the first 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.680 film was bad research on my part, but it is 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:47.880 the third time ever that that happened, and I think 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.520 that is very cool. I mean, there's so many first here, 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.360 but that's far less important than the fact that the 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.680 movie is like fucking amazing. I will never forget when 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.480 we spoke to the Daniels as well. Hear later on 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.320 this episode. We were talking to them and we were 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.080 just such huge fans of this movie. This is everything 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.720 we love. It's multiverse, it's comic book action, it's completely original, 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.200 has Michelle fucking yeah style action gay yeah. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.959 It's got butt plug jokes, it's a it's a it's 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.800 a sincere and heartfelt story about an immigrant family. 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.600 It's about generational trauma, it's about as It's got James Hong, 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:24.240 the living legend, legend favorite actors and performers and people 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.480 of all time. And we were just such huge fans 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.720 and at the time it was starting to make a 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.240 little bit of money at the box office. It was 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:32.960 doing well. It was going to go out of limited 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.680 release and into wide release, I believe, and the Daniels 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.720 were like so confused. They were just like, we thought, 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.840 we made another weird movie like Swiss Army Man that 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.880 no one would like. Yeah, And we were like, well, 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:48.960 people like it and like, what if it becomes kind 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:50.560 of the biggest movie in the world. And they were like, 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.960 that would be terrible. I was like, that would be 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.360 really Like this is already scary. So I'm feeling for them. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.840 I think that this was This has been such an 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:03.160 incredible Awards season to follow them. This story has been brilliant. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.520 To see Key get this comeback story, to see Michelle 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.880 get her flowers and also as well. I feel like 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:09.920 their speeches were. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.160 So Goody brought me to tear. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.440 Oh my god, I was crying from the moment he wepne. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.200 I was crying, and it really was like there were 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.480 only really intervals because Michelle got me. I loved Daniel 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.560 Kuan's speech where he was talking about this kind of 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.679 unbelievable journey and how crazy it was to win an Oscar, 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.400 but then he immediately was like to my son, like 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.240 you will never have to live up to this. This 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.760 is not normal, Like he's breaking down generational trauma in 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.080 the Oscar speech about the movie, that's breaking down generational trauma, 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:44.480 Like it was that's that came at this. I think 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.680 it's maybe a bit over the top now, but Parasite 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.279 was always my best Oscar experience where I watched the 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.359 Oscars and I felt like I couldn't believe that this 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.480 movie I loved was winning. When it won Best International 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.160 Picture and Best Picture was blowing my mind. This gave 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.560 me that same elation. There was so much emotion here, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.800 so much It was so moving. It was so great 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.000 to see how so many people came together to celebrate 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.240 this weird, original movie that also brought back these kind 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.000 of legends and put them in the spotlight. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:19.120 Key's speech about you know, being a being a refugee 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.600 and an immigrant and finding this American dream was amazing. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.640 He thanked Jeff Cohen chunk from the Goonies, who it 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.240 turns out is a successful entertainment lawyer and helped him 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:36.080 seal this deal, you know, thanking his mom. I will say, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.000 he is such a better human being than me in 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.479 the sense that, you know, he'd famously been out of 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:47.120 the business acting wise for twenty years and had worked 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.560 behind the camera just casually like working with one CALLI, 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.720 but had to because he had to be wrong with 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.520 the roles dried up and you know when he's like 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.600 calling out Steven Spielberg, who gave him his you know, 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.359 they kept cutting to Steve and who, of course, you know, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.280 famously gave him his break in Temple Indiana Jones and 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.080 Temple of Doom. If it was me, I would have 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.440 been petty and been like, there's Stevensbieller who gave him 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.120 my break and then of course never hired me for 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.919 any of the indie sequels. You know it. It was like, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.080 I can't. I it was wonderful to see how generous 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:24.440 and positive he was, because I would have believe here, here, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.440 I am in this room of people who here's the 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.359 reason why I didn't work for twenty years, because none 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.960 of them hired me, and they're all like, so, it 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.960 was really amazing, and that's incredibly generous. Generous is the right, 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.160 wonderfully generous. And then you know what a triumph for 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.000 Michelle Yo, who is truly one of the greatest who 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.000 has ever done it. I have a legend in a 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:53.279 million different ways, a pioneer in Hong Kong cinema, one 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:58.239 of our great actresses. Physicality, the ability to convey emotion, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:59.000 just everything. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.599 She also like if you think about how there's a 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.160 whole generation of people who just knew her from her 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.960 drama work in crazy rich Asians. Like, there's a generation 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.200 of kids. Even my sister I love this stuff. She 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.320 hasn't known Michelle Yo from martial arts. She knows her 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:12.360 from crazy rich Asians. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:12.600 You know. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.000 I saw a great interview with sam O Huang who 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.960 kind of discovered in Inverted Commas Michelle and was like 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.000 her first director. He's a martial arts legend, a very 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.160 dangerous man to work with, boy, but like absolutely just 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.000 like a genius. He gave a great quote where he 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.400 basically just said everything Michelle has, she did it herself. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.960 He's like, there's no one else, It's just her. She 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.360 was She's never had any form of martial arts training. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.360 Believe she is just she was a ballerina who got 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.560 an injury who then went into acting, and they were like, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.240 let's see if we can make her an action stuff. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.240 Watch some of those all Hong Kong movies right now. 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.600 The Criterion Collection has a Michelle Watch that collection and 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.120 you can get a two week free trial. I'm not 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.360 even being paid, Criterion Collection, give me something free. They 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.880 have all yes, Madam Heroic Trio, like all these great 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.920 movies that you can enjoy and you can see why 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:59.640 she is such a legend. I did a post an 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.120 emotion post, I love Michelle Yo, and I was really 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.960 happy to see other people who felt the same way. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.280 This is someone who's a trailblazer, who's a legend, who 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:10.560 has never really gotten her flowers from from Hollywood, from 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.560 the people, even though you know she's the first bond 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:17.560 girl who really wasn't just a y sexual interest like 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:21.200 she was the first badass. You know, it's I it's 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.360 one of those things where you're like the Oscars, It 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.000 doesn't you don't have to get the movie would have 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.480 been amazing without the Oscars. This doesn't add to whether 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.640 or not the movie was good, but it is nice 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.560 to see that recognition, especially for someone like Key on 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.439 that journey, who's such a generous, kind person who's now 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.920 going to have this incredible comeback career, And for Michelle 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:39.840 who should have been getting these How did she not 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.960 get nominated for Crashing Tiger, Hit and Dragon, a movie 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.040 that got like so many nominations That just blows my mind. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.840 On the Jamie Lee Curtis, Yes, I I think there 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.520 was a lot of love out there for Angela Basketball. 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.800 By the way, it should have won for any number 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.640 of yeah's good in everything twenty years plus ago. Absolutely 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:02.160 should have should have won for that. I I'm fine 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.800 with Jamie Lee winning. I understand that for one, she 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:13.640 beat out Stephanie Zeo's who is like I am sensitive 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.679 to she should have won. I will say Jamie Lee 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.160 for the This happens in oscars all the time, where 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.960 somebody wins for the history of the things that they've done. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.720 And I think her resume is really amazing. You know, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.760 Halloween remade the movie industry, redefine what a slasher could be. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.880 She's an important part of that lineage. And I also 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.600 think I haven't read anything about this, but it seems 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.200 to me. It seems reasonable to me to assume that 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.320 Jamie Lee signing on is probably a big reason why 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:45.319 this movie got yeah. 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.000 And I think that that transitioned. I read all of 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.480 those ballots, the anonymous ballots, and a lot of them 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.520 are absolutely horrific. You should read the ewpiece to be 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.880 just disgusted by the fucked up shit people are saying 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.720 about Viola Davis, like the most awful stuff about the 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.560 woman King and White ag Get all, my, they're good 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.720 because then you remember who's behind these awards. But something 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.800 I did see coming up again and again was this 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.200 idea that it wasn't just that Jamie was champion of 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.800 the film, but she never campaigned for herself during the Oscars. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.920 She only campaigned for everyone else in the movie in 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.320 the collection of actors and directors and stuff, so I 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.240 can totally understand how she ended up there. I would 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.240 love to see Angela get her Oscar. I think it's time. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.679 I think Ramonda's a great role. I also think that 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:26.520 arguably Stephanie is the lead. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.000 In everything ever else. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.840 I think it's kind of wild that she didn't win. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.120 But you know what, I'm also like a super Slasher fan, 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.160 so I'm here for it all. I want to see 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.400 Angela get that recognition because she is also another legend, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.520 like another basically like another trailblazer who's never really been 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.719 recognized so should have been. I would have loved to 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.880 see that happen. But I love that Jamie got to 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.520 win for this role where she's comedic and she is herself, 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.240 and she is weird and she's queer and there's all 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.320 these different kind of layers to it. That to me 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.360 was the biggest upset. So yeah, Stephanie had time will 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.960 come Angela had times should have been come in, but 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.280 I'm sure that we will see it, and Angela's work 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.040 still stands and it is still a queen and a 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:07.880 win nine our books. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.760 Anyway, up next, let's revisit our discussion of everything Everywhere, 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.120 All at Once, and our interview with the Daniels when 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:15.800 we saw the film for the first time last year. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:27.640 All Right, we're stepping out of the air lock and 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.800 into the mind bending world of an IRS building. Just 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.600 dis because the eight twenty more Sibi action comedy masterpiece 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.480 that is everything everywhere, all at once. It's opening wide 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.320 today this Friday, April eighth, And if you like the 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.680 movies and you want to have a good time at 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.560 the movies, that is action packed and really heartfelt and 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.320 like uplifting too, like not violent in a way that's like, oh, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.560 this is like really entertaining, but I feel bad, like 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.680 watching fifty A head shots in a row. You will 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.559 not feel that way about. This movie has an incredible cast. 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:04.440 Michelle the Absolute Legend, Key Hou Kwon as Wayman Wang 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.400 back in the game again in front of the camera, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.640 Stephanie Sue as Joy, James Hong the Legend, James Hong 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.840 Jamie Curtis and more really fun movie. We'll keep it well, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:16.600 this is like a spoiler conversation. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.839 It's spoilery, but we're not gonna go like full recap. Yeah, 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.079 I'm just gonna kind of talk about it. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.440 So I just loved. I love this movie. You know, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:30.760 for everyone complaining that like there are this too many 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.720 comic when movies everything is a Marvel movie or DC 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.800 tie in or something like that, I guess, you know, 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.319 people would still criticize this movie for you know, depending 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:45.880 heavily on the multiverse for its plot momentum. That said, 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:48.960 it is just like so original in the way it 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.280 deals with it and the imagery it uses. It is 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:58.000 so funny. And then like to have you know, an 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.839 all Asian cast as your you know, as you were 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.760 kind of like the crux of the movie and their 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.080 feelings about each other, their kind of disappointments with each other, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:14.280 their miscommunications. It's three generations of a family. It was 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.559 just like felt really good to see. And then the 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.760 crowd that I saw with I saw it here in 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.600 La it was clear that somebody, somebody worked on the 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.200 movie in my theater because like people started cheering when 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.920 the credits rolled like randomly at a random place. So like, 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.120 I love that. It was really really really great energy. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:34.240 What did you think of the movie? 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.400 Yeah, I mean I absolutely loved it. Like I went 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:37.760 to go and see it with a big group of 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:42.200 friends after we went to this amazing black kind of 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.840 flea market called Black Market Flee. So it was just 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.280 like a very good day and that I saw it 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.680 in La too, and it was in a huge cinema. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:51.800 We couldn't go to the Imax, but we saw it 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.400 and the biggest scream we could see it that wasn't Imax, 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.079 and people were reacting like it was a Marvel movie 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.000 like it was. I couldn't have seen it with the 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.960 bad like things happening, and people were like, yeah, just 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.080 like screaming, and I was just like, this is so 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.240 incredible because on the surface, if you describe what this 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.560 movie is in a sentence, it's like Michelle Yoh is 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.240 a kind of late middle aged woman who runs a 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.320 laundromat and she's doing her taxes and Jamie Lee Curtis 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.000 is her irs lady and she's evil and it's kind 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.440 of this like dreary middle age where she's thinking like 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.320 what could I have done in my life, and she's 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:32.360 pulled into this crazy multiversal kind of war where she 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.920 has to use every version of herself to gain the 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:41.200 skills she needs to beat this mysterious bad guy Jobu Tabaki. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.320 And it sounds so outrageous, but like I watched that 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.400 movie and it felt like it was the most accessible 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.360 thing in the world. I think it's that balance, Like 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:56.560 you've talked about this idea of this intergenerational Asian storytelling. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.320 This cast just full of absolute legends and it it 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.360 is this bonkers movie where there's fifty versions of Michelle Yo, which, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.320 by the way, who didn't want that? That's like the 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:11.040 dream a way. But it's also like this really intimate, 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:17.080 niche story about like intergenerational misunderstandings and cycles of like 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:23.960 familial emotional trauma. And KiHa Kwan is just like so incredible. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:29.080 Yeah, He's like I kept thinking that it's like actually 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.080 criminal that this actor could not find work for as 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.760 long as he could not find work in front of 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.200 the camera. He is so engaging. He's just like has 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:42.560 a lightness and a charm to him that is all 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.360 the more impressive for the fact that he does some 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:51.640 real like impressive and authentic, like martial arts stuff work 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.840 that is like and he's been high, high level stuff. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.680 But this is like That's the other thing about this movie, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.960 which is why I think so far the the screenings 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.280 and the limited release have been really successful, and I 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.520 hope the wide releases too, because I feel like this 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.000 people say this stuff, but this is literally a movie 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:10.120 that has something for everyone. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:10.600 Yeah. 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.960 Yeah, feeling depressed, nihilistic, wishing the world would end. It's 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.960 for you feeling like you wish everyone was kinder to 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.200 each other. Also for you feeling like you just want 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.680 to see loads ofical action sequences that are completely outrageous 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.040 and some of the best big screen Hollywood action that 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.920 we've seen in years. Also for you want to see 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.400 it intergenerational family story. Also for you need more queer 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.240 people on your screen. Also for you like it's got everything. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:38.680 And yeah, I mean those action sequences are just The 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.600 choreography is unreal. It's like Hong Kong cinema. It makes 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.760 you feel like you're watching, you know, a Shaw Brothers 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.200 movie late night on the TV, but you're getting to 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:50.800 see it beautifully big screen in this really unbelievable sci 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:51.600 fi context. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.320 It does something that really hits me on an emotional level, 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.760 which is like and I think the best stories do that, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.880 which is take some wild you know, sci fi slash 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.120 fantasy asque concept a multiverse, right, a multiple realities existing 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.080 side by side, but like links it to something that 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.679 is like really human, which is like regret about the 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.719 way your life turned out. You know who doesn't who 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.800 hasn't at a certain point in time, been like, man, 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.040 if I had done this, if I had done that, 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.320 I wanted all these things for myself when I was younger, 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.280 earlier on, but then I made a bunch of decisions 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.840 if that were maybe foolhardy or not particularly thought out, 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.680 or I was thinking emotionally with my heart when I 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.000 should have been thinking with my brain. And now here 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.400 I am in middle age, and I'm doing a thing 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.399 that I don't want to do that it doesn't fulfill me, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.560 like emotionally, and I am in a relationship that maybe 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.520 is not the most fulfilling, and I don't have a 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.359 great relationship with my kids, and maybe I wish I 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.600 had done a bunch of things different. And this movie 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:01.119 just on top of or underneath rather being like this 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.800 kind of rollicking sci fi multiversal adventure. It's really a 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.800 story about like how people can feel boxed in by 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.159 the life that they have led, and how, you know, 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:16.639 a core experience, existential experience of just being a person 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.640 is wondering, man, what if I had done things differently? Yeah, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:24.480 And this movie lets the characters access all these different 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.680 lives that they could have led, you know, like when 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.639 when Evelyn manages to access the dimension in which she 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:36.560 is a movie star, an international which her dream, right, 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.760 she comes to this place where she's like, man, I 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.600 guess I shouldn't have run away with with my husband Wyman, 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.520 who I loved at one point in time, but like 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.240 maybe that wasn't for the best. Maybe I should have 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.639 chased my dream and I could have I could have 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.480 been an international movie star. Like that, I want to 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.640 stay there. Maybe I want to stay there. And that 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:03.679 just felt like universal to me. Yeah, that's a universal dream, 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.920 a universal fantasy that people have. 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.720 There's something like incredibly honest and vulnerable about it too, 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.320 where it's like admitting that there's maybe something you want 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.880 that's more and then kind of the realizations of what 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.240 that really means, like the bit that really like I 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.679 just I mean, there's so many good bits in that world, 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.040 like we were talking about this, but like Wymand in 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.800 that world when she accidentally bumps into him, it's very 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.920 much his one car why in the mood for love 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.879 kind of moment, and k is so brilliant and you 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.600 just think, like why isn't aren't these roles he's been 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.000 getting anyway? But in that world the first thing Everlyn 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.119 asks is you know, where's Joy Where's my daughter? But 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.560 she doesn't exist in that world. And it's those little 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:50.840 moments where it's just like ah, like these are the things, 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.919 the pieces that come together, the butterfly effect, you know, 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.080 chaos theory, it's the little things that could change everything. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:59.479 And something else I love in the terms of that 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.359 in this movie I love in every movie. It's one 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.840 of my favorite things in any movie from any era, 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.879 is like the way that they show technology and they 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.120 have so much fun with this kind of retro futuristic technology. 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.920 I love that it's so great and the visuals are fun. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.320 And also like I love the way that they literally 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.240 do the chaos theory butfly effect thing, where like you'll 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.240 see the one decision and then you get to see 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.920 this kind of mapped out how everything changed, and I'm 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.520 just like what it's like. It's a really cool visual, 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:27.360 but it's really. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.240 Deep, it's really scary. On the one hand, that kind 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.840 of like retro future hardware, like the different kind of 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:37.359 like Verse jumping hardware that Wayman and the Alpha Verse 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.440 wear is to like in his crew where to keep 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.000 track of what's going on. On the one hand, like 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.960 I remember thinking it's great design, but also like it 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.080 must have been great because like this is cheaper than 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.560 like CG or making it Yeah cool, But the other 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.240 thing I was thinking, did you ever watch The Adventures 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:57.040 of Bukaroo Bonzai. Of course it felt like that. It 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:02.760 felt like a super weird like retro future teak on 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.679 a sci fi movie. That felt like, alongside all the 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:10.880 different references, the Jackie Chan references, the Shaw Brothers references, 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.919 the very wankar why references they're in this movie, it 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.480 also felt like it was pulling on that what I 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.080 think is actually like a super weird not that good 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.400 kind of bad side from the eighties, but that is 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.600 so unique in the way it looks, and that's what 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:29.440 it reminded me of the buckeru bons There's like so. 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:34.280 Many unbelievable kind of like draw things here. Like there's 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.600 this old South Korean movie from like two thousand and 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.240 three called Save the Green Planet, and there's like something 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.320 to that of the way his head looks, and there's 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.080 like definitely those old eighties sci fi kind of the 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.720 almost like the serialized like Flash Gordon costumes that you 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:51.560 just pull on and you have to build, you know, 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.000 the Rob Liefeld many pockets, Like there's a lot of 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:59.800 pockets in those universes, and like there's something so tangible. 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.639 I am a big proponent. I'm always the person who's like, 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.520 I wish this was practical, you know, on the By 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.480 Southwest episode, I was like, if I could change one 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.200 thing about the MCU, I'm like, fuck it, I'll just 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.240 make it all practical. I'd love to see what it 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:15.320 would look like. But they do. They utilize practical and 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.240 the effects in this movie in a way that feels 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:21.119 very tangible and touchable and stylized, but also really slick, 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:25.679 like it doesn't feel that. There's something very special about 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:27.800 that balance in this movie that I think also comes 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:31.920 from the nature of doing like so many in camera 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:35.320 stunts and so many unbelievable kind of you have to 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:39.120 have that balance of like what can we how can 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.560 we use THEFX here to elevate what we're doing while 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.400 still making it feel real and being able to feel 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.639 those punches. And I mean the Wayman fight scene that 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.680 where he utilizes his fanny pack. 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.399 That's going it absolutely is going to be. You know, 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:57.359 I always rate I always rate a movie in action 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:01.879 movie in part by am I gonna rewatch this scene 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:05.080 at one am on YouTube randomly because it's like a 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:06.960 random Wednesday night and I want to take a break 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.720 from work And the answer is one hundred percent. Yes, 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.960 I'm gonna watch that. I'm gonna watch that Fannybac scene. 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:15.199 I'm gonna watch the Evelyn fight scene with Deirdre. I'm 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:17.280 gonna There's gonna be a bunch of stuff that I 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:20.960 watch in this and I again I can't stress enough 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:25.720 like how frenetic and energetic the action scenes are. The 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:30.240 the Daniels came up through music video and like there's 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:32.920 a level of a d D nois mm hmm. 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.800 It feels very much like it's looking into IDHD brain. 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:39.840 One hundred percent. Like their most famous music video is 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:42.919 the DJ Snake Little John Classic turned down for what 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.280 so the action scenes are in a lot of ways, 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.760 like very reminiscent of that. It's like, you know, like uh, 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:55.520 people being thrown through floors and like, uh, so much 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:59.120 action and comedy on the screen at the same time, 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:04.080 an incredible removes just like really really really funny and 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.440 original film in that way. 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:08.560 Yeah, and I think just shout out. I believe they're 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:12.080 called Marshall Club. There are a group of YouTubers who 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:15.479 create like martial arts kind of stump pieces in their 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:17.800 own houses, and that's who they Daniels found and brought 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:21.080 on to kind of collaborate with them. Just unbelievable stuff. 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:22.880 When you watch it, you sort of you can't really 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:26.400 believe it. It definitely is that rewatchable factor. Like afterwards, 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.720 I was like, yes, this is like it's like the 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.359 scene in the Raid where they get halfway up the 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.880 building and Eco uways starts doing still at and uses 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.040 his knife and takes out like ten people in the corridor. 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.000 It's the corridor scene from Old Boy. It's the John 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:42.720 Wick the first time that he shows his gun fu 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.400 in the house when he's being invaded. The scenes where 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.119 you're just like, oh, have you seen this and you 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.720 don't necessarily have to show the whole movie, but this 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.320 film is like absolutely full of them. But also it's 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:57.200 like this really sweet. I mean, there's a whole segment 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.000 of this movie that is just two rocks, not gonna 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.439 it is, but it is the most powerful part. 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.359 Part for me. Yeah, it is like really really heartfelt. 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.400 And to your point with the rock scene, there are 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:11.879 for all the people who are like, oh, man, like 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:15.159 where's I'm worried about the state of movies today with 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:19.119 economics being so kind of warped by the success of 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:22.160 the Marvel movies, here is a movie that does everything 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.879 you want like a summer blockbuster to do, but also 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:30.919 has like that indie movie heart and audacious, super weird 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:32.720 choices that are like. 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.359 There is so much weird stuff like the two the rock. 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.240 Scene where you're just like, man, I can't believe that worked, 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.639 and it really works. It lands so hard. 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:43.680 Yeah, and I think as well, like we've talked a 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.320 lot about the icons, but like nobody was writing a 0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:48.880 script like this for Michelle Yo. You know, she said 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:50.520 this is the script where she read it, and she 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.880 was like, this is the movie that can see all 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.120 the different things I can be, I can be funny, 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.680 I can be serious, I can be badass, I can 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.679 be sad, I can you know, and we know, like 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:05.160 we've said, Key, he hadn't been in a major Hollywood 0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:07.440 movie for like twenty years. This was his first audition, 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.000 I think that Daniel said for for twenty years. And 0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.479 then obviously James Hong, who's like an icon and has 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.919 over six hundred credits and is just absolutely one of 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:19.679 my favorite actors of all time. But he gets to 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:25.640 have this really dynamic, complex, hilarious, action packed character arc 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.359 again that nobody is really writing for him, like probably 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:32.439 his biggest role in a movie like this since like 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:36.160 Big Trouble in Little China, where you're getting this really 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:40.600 layered like character piece and it's just that's like miraculous 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.639 to see. And that's not even shouting out like Jamie 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.960 Lee Curtis, who just plays everything so straight, like you 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:49.520 can't get the things she does in this movie and 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.560 the sincerity with which she does them, like in my 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:57.000 dream dreams, like this movie sweeps every Oscar and every 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:00.680 awards he's in next year, and Michelle Yo is a hundred. 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.520 Just one of our greatest living Yeah, she should be getting. 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:06.639 A Best Actress Oscar and Jamie Lee Curtis. I'm like 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:08.919 put her up for the best supporting baby because she 0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.840 Stephanie Sue as well. But like, this cost is just unreal. 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.360 Let me ask you, what was your Michelle Yo entry point? 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:19.680 What was your original? What was your original drug? Your 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:24.199 original into the Michelle Yo version, and mine is like 0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:30.160 super it's the obvious one super cop please story three 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:34.359 super Cop in which she plays like a police detective 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.320 who then has to link up with Jackie Chan's character 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:40.000 to take down drug dealers in Malaysia, and it contains 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.800 some of the craziest stunts. Michelle Yo jumps a dirt 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:48.520 bike onto a moving train in this movie, like just 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.800 fucking insane, and then uh, you know, later on I 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:56.000 would watch all the rest, you know. Yeah, yes, Madam. 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.040 I was gonna say, mine is definitely yes, madam. 0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:03.920 Yes, absolute classic Hong Kong movie. Well, it's so good, 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.439 sin Rock iconic. 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.520 It's like it's so bonkers to think like Michelle Actually 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.960 the really incredible interview recently with my friend Gretchen Smail 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.240 at Bustle, which is just so wonderful and adds a 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:19.480 lot of really complex layers to the movie, where she 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.800 talks about how she retired from acting in Hong Kong 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.159 cinema at the age of twenty eight with plans to 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.000 start a family, so she'd already done all of that 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.439 by the time she was twenty eight, she'd had a 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.640 whole career. Yes Madam, you know super Cop, like these 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.800 unbelievable iconic movies. Just just put Yes Madam into YouTube. 0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:43.280 Watched some of the scenes with Cynthia Rothrock and Michelle Yo. 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.400 I mean, as a kid who grew up watching like 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:49.840 Kung Fu movies, that movie was like a revelation. And 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.360 then she came back and she has this second wave 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:55.360 of like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.240 Yeah, you know these I mean, Yes Madam was like 0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.960 nineteen eighty five, That's what I'm saying. 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:09.040 Just unbelievable stuff. And it's just she's been so iconic 0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:10.719 on so many levels, and I think for a lot 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:14.640 of us, she has been like a staple of all 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.080 kinds of cinema, whether it was like Hong Kong cinema, 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:21.280 whether it was the whether it was Wushoe actually coming 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:24.920 to Hollywood for the first time with Crouching Tiger. You know, 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.440 it's astonishing the impact she's had and I feel like 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:32.240 this is a celebration of that, but also probably just 0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.880 marks like the third wave of her career, while she'll 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.120 just become even more powerful. 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.800 Well, let's talk with the creators of this movie. 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Welcome to the Hive Mind, where 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:37.840 we explore topic in more detail with the help of 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:40.680 expert guests and say we are thrilled to have Daniel 0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:44.400 Kwan and Daniel Siner, known collectively as the Daniels Writer 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:48.920 directors of Everything Everywhere. All at once, gentlemen, loved the movie? 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:53.080 How how did it? How did this come together? How 0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.600 did this film come together? And I just like, I 0:33:55.680 --> 0:34:00.480 kept thinking, how what does the script look like? Because 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:08.440 this is so like the level of like absurdist randomness 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.399 action is so off the charts that I was like, man, 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:13.200 how do you even write this down? 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:15.080 Yeah? 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.319 Thank you, Yeah, we By the way, thank you for 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.440 having us. Very excited to talk about the movie. Well, 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:24.359 I'll start there. The random acts to use as an 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.520 engine for traveling to other universes. That's that is kind 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.279 of one of the initial ideas we we both grew 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:34.120 up on Douglas Adams and Hetchiger's Guide and Vonnegut and 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:41.120 just that sort of absurdist sci fi that that's great, 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:46.439 but there's such a irreverent quality to their sci fi 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:48.920 that is still very much grounded in science, and like 0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.680 there's still something like a like a kernel of truth 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:55.000 in it all. And you know, that idea came. The 0:34:55.080 --> 0:35:00.200 idea of using improbable actions to build up a momentum, 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:04.440 a probabilistic momentum, and just to slingshot yourself into other 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.720 universes kind of was like a really silly initial idea 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.520 that I pitched to Shiner and I was like, is 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.680 there something here? Could we do something kind of like 0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.960 like like Douglas Adams meets the Matrix? 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:21.120 And I was like, no, No, I said, I think 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:23.839 I thought it sounded like an exciting short film like 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.040 which we have a long list of kind of like 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.200 gags you know that interest us, And so we would 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:33.680 brainstorm it, but it didn't kind of take shape until 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:37.239 we'd sat with it for a while and started kind 0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:41.439 of thinking about the multiverse and how the multiverse makes 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:43.439 us feel, and why would we make a whole movie 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:47.279 about you know that sci fi premise. I really love 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:53.960 to lean into the premise and not just brush over 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:55.960 it like some like that's a pet peeve of mind. 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:57.480 I guess sometimes. 0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:00.279 It's like a convenient device for the story, but don't 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:03.920 actually get to really sit in the philosophical and existential 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.080 consequences of the premise. 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.239 Yeah. So, uh, it was. 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:09.719 It wasn't until we decided that we were going to 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.440 go to too many universes until it was existentially terrifying, 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.080 and then it was going to be a Chinese American family, 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.799 and that the kind of immigrant experience and also just 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:25.040 generational divide would become like the kind of relatable companion 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.160 that we'd be using the multiverse to play with. That 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.040 then we were like, oh, there's enough for a feature 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:30.959 film here, you. 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:33.080 Know, it is enough for a free feature film. Yeah. 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.800 Yeah, we're like, and all little take is four years 0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.880 of Miracles and then we'll put it out in theaters. 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:41.960 And somehow that happened. 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.200 Yeah, that's so incredible. I mean, the movie was just 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.960 so wonderful. It was like immediately in my favorite movies 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.160 of all time. It's just like I can't wait to 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:52.560 go and see again. I'm just everything that I love. 0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.000 So it's so wonderful. But you said something there that 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.000 I just think is so interesting and I'd love to 0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.560 dig into a bit more. What is it about the 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:04.080 multiverse that spoke to you? What is it about exploring 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:07.399 that and that being the idea that was worth exploring because, 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.279 like you said, a lot of times, it's a buzzword, 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.280 it's a conventional narrative device. But what was it about 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.480 the multiverse and the idea of multiple different universes kind 0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.440 of existing alongside each other that made this story click? 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:20.880 Yeah. 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:23.600 One of the fascinating things about the multiverse or just 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:27.200 the idea of infinity is that it's very interdisciplinary. You know, 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:30.359 obviously there's like quantum mechanics and quantum fixils. It's has 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.040 its version of it which you know, talks about you know, 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:35.959 superpositions and and you know whether or not the wave 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:40.040 function collapses, and you know, parallel universes. That's kind of 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:41.919 I think that's what most people think of when they. 0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:43.400 Or another way of putting it that I like to 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:44.880 put it is like like there are a lot of 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:48.839 scientists who believe there might actually be an infinite number 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:53.000 of universes. That's a pretty scary thing, you know, physics wise. 0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.520 And then and then and then, like you know, when 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:57.439 we were doing research for this movie, we found that 0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:01.440 one of the first known instant of the word multiverse 0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:03.360 being used in the English language actually had nothing to 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.480 do with science. It was actually a theologist who was 0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:10.120 basically lamenting the fact that how. 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:11.640 Confusing everything was. 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.440 He was like, from a moral perspective, I know that 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.640 God is the one and only moral center of the universe. 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:19.440 Right, there's a universe. 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.279 But when I look around me and I see you know, 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:26.719 the Heathens and whatever, it's like, there's a moral multiverse. 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:33.320 The the secular world doesn't necessarily have one clean narrative. 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.840 And so he used the word multiverse from a moral standpoint, 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:38.960 and I'm like, oh, that's fascinating, you know. And then 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.719 linguistics has its own Linguistics has modal realism, which is 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.680 kind of taking the idea of like when you are 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.800 swapping out any word in the sentence, how it drastically 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:52.720 changes the reality of that sentence, and basically like positives, 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:56.200 like what happens if each one of those sentences is 0:38:56.320 --> 0:39:00.720 its own reality that has its own in tech or whatever. 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:02.239 And so we're kind of looking at like, I mean, 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:02.799 there's so many. 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.520 Different angles into this, this this concept that no one 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.279 else is tackling, you know, like For the most part, 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:11.960 the multiverse is is kind of used as a way to. 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:15.200 Combine IP an interesting way. 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:20.600 You know, Yeah, it's a cultural fracking. 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:21.000 We call it. 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.880 You're digging in the past of culture. We didn't coin that. 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:25.960 We found it online and you're like, oh, we like that. 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.920 Word cultural fracking, and there's nothing wrong with that. Like 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.520 I think, yeah, I love no, I love Super Smash Brothers. 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.360 Super Smash Brothers is like incredible. I remember being like, 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:37.680 I can have Pikachu and d K at the same time. 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:38.719 How incredible. 0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:41.919 But we wanted to dig into just like DK because 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:46.000 you're exactly the Pikachu is my main Pikachu with the 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:47.040 with the wizard hat. 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:48.160 That's my name, Curve. 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.760 But so for our movie, we're like, oh, the multiverse 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.480 becomes a metaphor for the Internet and what it feels 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.520 like to be alive with the Internet. It also becomes 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.759 a metaphor for the way that we all have these 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.799 like bubbles and we all kind of exist in our 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:04.920 own versions of our own movies. 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:06.719 You know, we believe we're the main character of our 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:07.320 own movie. 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.640 And what happens when those two movies collide and they 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:13.520 don't mesh, and so the whole film is characters who 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.160 are living in their own stories, not realizing that they're 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:17.080 talking past each other. 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:21.319 And so there's so many different. 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:24.200 Ways you can kind of use this premise to explore 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:28.160 really real feelings and really real experiences. And you know, 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:31.160 I feel like our movies just barely begin to tap 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:31.600 into that. 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:36.719 The cast is unbelievable, Jamie Lee Curtis, Michelle Yoh the 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:42.919 Leedged which you know, not enough can possibly be said 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:48.759 about her, James Hong Icon absolute like Titan legend in it. 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.720 And then k Hu Kwan, who probably most people remember 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:58.560 from Temple of Doom, which is Indian Jones movie that 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.920 is aged poorly and the Goonies, But like, man, seeing 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.080 him in this movie, I'm just like, why has he 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:12.120 not been one of our top twenty most compelling actors 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.640 over the last twenty years? You like, when you went 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.160 to the movie Star Universe and he's in the suit, 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:18.720 I'm like, am I in a one car Wifeil? 0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:19.360 Like, what is it? 0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:19.640 Like? 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.920 I didn't even know he had this in him to 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:27.120 talk about this incredible cast. That also, one more thing 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:29.160 I thought about a lot last night. It was just like, 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:32.279 how this is the best action movie ever that is 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:36.959 primarily said in an IRS office, like that is a choice. Yeah, 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:39.080 talk to us about this cast. 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:39.600 Yeah for sure. 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:40.000 I mean it. 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.480 Started with Michelle and we knew we wanted to her, 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.920 and we were worried that if she said no, there 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:50.800 was no one else like that the movie just wouldn't happen. 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.560 And then luckily she believed in It turns out she 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.840 was more right for the role than we even knew, 0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:00.200 you know, and she really responded to the script, and 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:04.360 then that made it so much easier to attract exciting people, 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:06.920 you know, and to get the movie greenlit. 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.839 But even with Key, you know, there was no there 0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:16.799 was no question that, like there was something special about him, 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.160 and he even when he read the script he knew, 0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:21.759 like right away, He's like, this role was made for. 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:22.160 Me, you know. 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.120 He told us that, he told us that after we 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.880 cast him. How how the moment he read it, he 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:29.840 was like, I think I need to come back into acting, 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:31.000 and this is going to be my first role and 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:32.640 how exciting is that going to be? So he his 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:34.799 audition was the first audition he had done in like 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:35.880 a couple of decades. 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:38.160 In the Wow. 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:41.359 Yeah, so he hasn't been he kind of retired from 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.800 acting and went behind the camera, went to film school, 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.680 did stunt coordination, and first he was a first ad 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.840 for one Car Why for a while. 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:51.360 Yeah, exactly. 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.360 And the funny thing about Key, you know, because you're 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.000 just talking about how we've been missing out on him 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.960 for so long, it is this just kind of tragic 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:05.480 that this kid that Spielberg found and Spielberg and his 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.320 team found out of like, you know, thousands of other kids. 0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:12.000 They auditioned and auditioned forever, and they almost gave up 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.239 on the character. They almost wrote the character out of 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.640 the movie. And then they find Key, like out of 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:21.920 all these kids, and he has this special like X factor. 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:23.920 It's it's a same lame way to put it, but 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.239 he has something special that that you can't put a 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:27.799 number on. 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:31.759 You can't you can't like, yeah, there's no. 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.359 Way to evaluate it in that in any other way 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.240 except for when you watch him, you just want to smile, 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.239 and when you watch him so you just you fall 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:38.919 in love with him. 0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:40.919 And we knew that wayman to the character. 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:46.240 Women had to be that way because anyone else delivering 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:49.040 lines about kindness or like, you know, please stop fighting. 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:50.720 Everyone just let us get along. 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.440 You know, anyone else delivering those kind of lines, I 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:55.360 think it would have gotten a lot of eye rolls. 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:57.719 But with with Key Kwan, like he. 0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.600 Can say those lines and you believe it and you 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:01.960 and you want to live in a world where that 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:06.120 is true. And I think there's Yeah, we're so lucky 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:07.600 that we got him in this movie, and we're so 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.120 lucky that I think our industry has him back. 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:11.560 You know, I'm so excited to see what he gets 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:12.320 to do next. 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:15.920 For sure, And I would love to talk like he 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.520 was definitely I love I mean, I love Michelle Yeo, 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.160 I love James Holng, I love Jamie Lee Kerr. So 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.279 this was like a movie where everyone in it is 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:26.919 just incredible. But he is someone who is so core 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:28.919 to so many of our childhoods. But I never kind 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:33.840 of saw how I never saw where this his story 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:37.040 was going in the movie, and it was. It was 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.360 just so powerful and wonderful, and you kind of touched 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.600 on it a little bit of his message of kindness. 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.000 So could you talk a little bit about that aspect, 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:48.960 the radical empathy and that being kind of the mainline 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:52.600 message and kind of understanding overarching that comes out of 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:53.080 the movie. 0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:53.720 Yeah. 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.560 I mean I think at the start, as we kind 0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:59.000 of told you, it was just like we had this 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.320 first jumping idea and we're like, oh, what if we 0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:04.520 could do some stylized fight scenes. We love action movies 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:08.400 and like to do our version of the matrix, but 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:12.480 with like Stephen chow craziness, you know, was so exciting. 0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:16.719 And then, uh, as is usually the case when we're 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:20.640 like making something funny, we start to feel guilty about like, 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.560 uh but why why this movie? What's it about? Are 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:30.239 we gonna just culturally frack some more people's time? And 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:35.760 we started kind of thinking about how we're not violent guys, 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:40.200 and and and also like I can't. I'm a pacifist 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.719 in fact, and so like there's this like subtext to 0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:46.560 action films, which is violence is an is a good answer. 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:50.560 And so we just we hit our heads against the 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:54.560 wall on that a lot, and and it became kind 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:57.120 of the project of the movie, you know, to be 0:45:57.239 --> 0:46:00.399 like can we can we explore that and lean into 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.040 it and question it and and so this character took 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:07.200 shape of like the dismissible beta male who is not 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:10.440 the alpha male action star and unless he's being taken 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:13.920 over for moments by you know, the more appropriately actioning 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:17.480 version of himself. But like once we kind of unlocked 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:19.920 that we got it was like a real aha moment 0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:22.240 for the whole script to be like, oh, this movie's 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:26.200 going to celebrate that sweet person and the fact that 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:30.399 being kind is is a way of fighting, Like that's 0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:34.880 the way of changing the world. That's just as valuable, 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:36.040 if not more so. 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:40.000 And I mean we specifically wanted to be like, let's 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:44.040 make someone kinding people to death, and. 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.680 That was that was the last puzzle pieces, Like oh 0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.240 my god, at the end, if she just kind, kind, kind. 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:55.520 People, like, everyone's happy exactly. 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:58.279 But it's like, what if we made that just as 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.399 satisfying as like kill Bill or just a satisfying as 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.919 a headshot from from John Wick? Because I think those 0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.160 things give us such a dopamine hit, which is why 0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.480 they're so fun and the way that they're shot and 0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:13.360 the way that but the editing works. 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:13.640 It is candy. 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:17.360 And so we wanted to take all of our special 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:20.319 skills that we have in our back pockets to give 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:24.080 to deliver that dopamine hit, but like totally you know, 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:26.319 show it in a completely different radical way. 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.240 So yeah, we call that the empathy fight. It's very silly, 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:30.160 but it was. 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:33.120 Really Yeah, that became like one of the north stars 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:34.759 for the films. Like, if we can pull that off, 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:36.480 I think this is going to be a very special movie. 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:40.000 So yeah, we really did. And I'd love to ask 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:44.160 about some of these action scenes because I mean, the 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:49.680 Wushoe fanny pack fight is one of the most truly 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.080 like one of the most original fight scenes I've seen 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:54.399 in a while. How did all of that stuff come 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.279 together and how hard was it to get it to 0:47:57.360 --> 0:47:58.200 get it on film. 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:02.399 Yeah, we struggle with finding the right collaborators for this. 0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:07.799 We are such Hong Kong action cinema nuts, like we 0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.200 grew up on that stuff, all the Shaw Brothers stuff, 0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:12.959 and specific Yun Wu Ping's work. You know, he's worked 0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.000 with all the greats. And this guy Jackie. 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:16.520 Chan is like. 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.600 Anything yea. 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.520 And and you know, we really wanted to make a 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.440 conscious effort to pull away from a lot of the 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:29.239 modern action trends in the movies that we're watching and 0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:30.400 go back to the basics. 0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:32.840 A because we love that stuff. 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.839 It's in our bones, but B because it's actually if 0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:37.759 done right, it can be just as it can be 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.000 way cheaper to do, you know, because you know, those 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:42.879 Hong Kong action films didn't have much money. 0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:45.280 And so no money exactly no money. 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.120 Basically no money, a lot of time and like you know, 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.120 maybe maybe a lot of injuries, but you know, we 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:54.120 realized like this is something that we could do well 0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:57.399 if we found the right people. And one day we 0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:01.160 were on YouTube and we were looking up martial arts 0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:04.640 videos just for references, and we found this short film 0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:07.120 from these guys called The Marshall Club, and we're like, 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.839 are these guys? Are these guys in the US, because like, 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.160 these people are? These guys are amazing. Not only are 0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:16.480 they so like technically incredible, but their camera work is 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.480 really smart and they also infuse humor in a lot 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:22.160 of their fights, which like most I think most modern 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.359 action films try to do, but it's not really it's 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:29.720 usually with quippie dialogue and not with visual visual, physical comedy, 0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:31.640 which is what we wanted our movie to have. And 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:35.040 so we reached out to them. They're they're a bunch 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:39.759 of friends from OC and they just became instantly just 0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:42.439 like the the the people that we wanted to work 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:45.520 with because they they're reminded us of ourselves the way 0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:47.960 that they are just a bunch of friends shooting stuff 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:49.320 in their in their living. 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:50.280 Room and then putting them online. 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:53.120 Yeah, and that was the that was exactly the energy 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.360 we needed for our film, for for this movie. 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:55.920 Yeah. 0:49:56.000 --> 0:50:00.120 Yeah, So it ended up being a huge priority for us, 0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:04.640 but like a successful collaboration between us having strong opinions 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:06.520 and kind of being like, let's make each fight different 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.919 and writing writing in a way that each one could 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.400 could be an ode to a different kind of style 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:16.200 of filmmaking that we love. And then the Marshall Club 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:20.720 bringing their like encyclopedic knowledge of all Kung fu movies 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:21.280 ever made. 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:25.120 And it's worth noting that none of them have or 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:27.399 at least the two brothers, the two main corographers, never 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:28.360 took any lessons. 0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:33.160 They have a friend who's like, he's like more formally trained, 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.120 but but Andy and Bryan are just like they just 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.200 know what has been in movies. 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:41.080 They just watch movies at the whole Hong Kong movies 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:42.080 and that's everything they know. 0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:43.000 Yeah. 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.040 They So then they helped us pre visit all and 0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:48.200 then we had our stunt coordinator, Tim Yulick, who we've 0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:55.680 worked with a make it so we successfully hurt nobody. Yeah, yeah, 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.319 and so we were able to just kind of like 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.719 move really fast. Michelle was very surprised that we were 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.760 able to shoot it all in the time we had 0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:10.840 and not do what it's called spraying with some people 0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:14.200 called spraying it down, where you're just like, get three cameras, 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:16.520 now do the fight that you guys are heard. We'll 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:17.839 figure it out in post move on. 0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:18.319 You know. 0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:20.719 We we tried really hard not to do that. 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:23.880 We had the opportunity to sit down with Quentin Tarantino 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:27.279 like years ago, like six seven years ago at the 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.400 Sunday's Institute, at the Sunday's Lap He was one of 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.000 our advisors, and we took the opportunity just like to 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.080 pick his brain to be like, what was it like 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.960 shooting kill Bill's like fight sequences, because those are some 0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:40.879 of my favorite American action scenes I've ever seen. And 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.200 you know, he said something that you know, kind of 0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:46.360 feels obvious now, but like at the time was really interesting. 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:49.719 He was talking about how Hollywood usually sprays it down, 0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.120 or they kind of kind of try to cover it 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:54.560 conventionally as if it was like a dialogue scene when 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:57.840 really shooting it like it's like it's a dance sequence 0:51:57.880 --> 0:51:58.480 like its own. 0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:01.920 It's its own version of a narrative, of a visual narrative. 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:05.120 And so he learned from Muping, who was a consulting 0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:12.080 choreographer on Killbill, that every single shot was perfectly catered 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:15.160 to the move that they were about to shoot next shot. 0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:17.520 So if like this punch to the face, let's get 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:19.799 the perfect shot for that punch to the face. And 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.440 then if the shot of him falling down has to 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:24.480 kind of turn around one A d and break the 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:27.080 one A line and also force the entire crew to relight, 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:29.400 then we're going to do that. So they shoot everything 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:33.080 in order sequentially, just finding the best shot for each moment, 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.759 which is incredibly time consuming, but also it's why those 0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:41.680 fight scenes are so beautifully done and so clear. You know, 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:43.520 there's a narrative clarity to him. 0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:46.600 And so our ad and our semotographer were like, no 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:53.600 way we can do that. We tried to like take 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:57.520 that ethos to heart and find some compromise somewhere in 0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:02.320 there and not yeah, and try to really study that style. 0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:05.319 Yeah, and you can tell our movie I think the 0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:07.480 fight scenes are are I'm very proud of them. 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:09.200 Because they feel so different. 0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:12.319 And you know after when when we go to see 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:16.080 it in theaters, after every fight scene there's like applause breaks, 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:17.760 which is like, come on, that's how amazing. 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:19.920 That's what it's like. 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.880 When in my theor it was people were reacting to 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:25.560 it just it was it was wonderful to be a 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:28.640 part of cheering, you know during the fight scenes, especially 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:30.920 the fanny pack fight scene that was like a big, 0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:32.440 big statement piece. 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:34.480 The butt plug prop work was. 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:39.240 That was like being in the theater and like Captain 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:45.839 America picked upon exactly like. 0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:47.160 That that was what you were trying to go for. 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.400 I was just like, my god, that was really great. 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:54.719 So like this kind of this. I love this juxtaposition 0:53:54.800 --> 0:54:01.160 between you guys bringing this grassroots collaborative filmmaking, which is 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.760 what you do, and then this being like the first 0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.719 A twenty four movie with like an Imax release and 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.640 that kind of juxtaposition. But you also did that with 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:12.239 the VFX, right, because like I was reading your thread 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.840 about how you didn't go to like a big post 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:18.200 house and you just hired your friends. So could you 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:20.560 talk a little bit about that because the VFX in 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:24.000 this movie and the way this movie looks just astonishing. 0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:27.120 So could you talk about like that decision and why 0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:29.400 it was the right one because it's obvious to us, 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:31.040 but why was it right for you guys? 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:34.480 Yeah, I mean the script we wrote, people read it 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:36.680 and they were like, this is going to be like 0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:41.600 a eighty million dollar movie, right, No, it's not, we promise, 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:45.080 And then we did in the rewriting process try to 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:47.880 like really lean into the tricks we were used to 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:49.800 and the tools we were used to playing with, and 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:56.399 so coming from music videos, like we we have very 0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:59.799 basic VFX knowledge ourselves, and we leaned on that really 0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:01.239 hea so that we could do a lot of our 0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:03.960 own visual effects in our shorts and music videos, and 0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:07.440 so like the vast majority of the movie is done 0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.719 practically or we're just using visual effects for very to 0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:14.960 make things safe or production friendly, where it's like, oh, 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.719 we can remove that light or that wire, but we're not. 0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:21.560 There's no like characters that are computer generated, you know. 0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:24.600 Or sometimes some practical effects. You know, people people I 0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:27.920 think people have like this nostalgic hard on for practical effects, 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:30.680 but in practicality, it's it's it's actually a pain in 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:31.400 the ass, you know. 0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:34.880 It's like the setup time is such a pain and 0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:37.080 like every time you break it, you have to reset, 0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:38.680 you know, it takes like half. 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:40.799 An hour, and it's never quite perfect. And so what 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:44.480 we do is we take the imperfect take. You know, 0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:46.640 maybe we'll get two takes if we're lucky, and then 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:48.319 lot of times just one, just one take, and then 0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:50.600 we just like spruce it up and posts because we 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:52.239 know how to, so like we get the best of 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:54.879 both worlds, so it doesn't feel fully CG because I. 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:57.200 Think audiences are aware of it when when it's fully CG. 0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.319 So we put tons of dust on them when they 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:02.080 hit each other because that's how I Kung Fum look. 0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:05.200 And then we added more dust in post because some 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:07.719 of the hits weren't as dusty as we wanted it. 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.560 But we were always kind of mixing the two. But 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:14.160 to kind of get to the end of the the headline, 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:18.440 we had like seven friends do over five hundred visual effects, 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:22.560 like and there was no post house. And we didn't 0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:24.160 even think when we started that we were going to 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:26.640 be able to do all of it with our small team, 0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:30.480 but they kind of stepped their game up and we 0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:32.200 weren't sure they'd be able to do all the bagel 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:35.200 or all the finale stuff, and some of our friends 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:37.600 were like, I want to learn some new stuff, and 0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:39.120 so they they did. 0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:43.880 So our friends would be watching YouTube tutorials for this 0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:46.000 this movie that we didn't actually know was going to 0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:52.520 be playing in Imax like that basically, But I think 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:54.839 it was something that we, you know, honed in during 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:57.040 our music video times. We did a music video for 0:56:57.120 --> 0:57:01.000 TENACIOUSD a long time ago, and we you know, we 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:04.120 had no time and very small budget, so we just 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:06.640 brought in our friends who were other directors, and we 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.920 all got in my bedroom and we lined up all 0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:11.239 of our computers and we just it kind of felt like. 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:11.920 A land party. 0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:16.400 You know, everyone was just We're just passing after effects 0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:19.320 projects back and forth, and you know, it was some 0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:21.600 of it was really frustrating because it was all new 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:23.800 to us. But then, you know, the final shot of 0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:27.360 that of that Tenacious D video is this really epic 0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:32.320 shot of the band floating in you know, this cosmic 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:34.440 you know, tapestry that's really beautiful. 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:36.200 And what that. 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.360 Final shot was was basically, you know, Ben Brewer, one 0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:43.040 of the other directors, created certain elements and then Zach 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:45.520 Stultz would create certain elements, and Jeff Deson was create 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:47.880 certain elements, and then it all get funneled to me, 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:51.320 and I would kind of create the final you know, 0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:54.600 just because I'm so particular, just to save time on 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:56.160 like all the back and forth in the notes, I 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.360 would I would do the final pass and tie it 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.960 all together. And I was like, why maybe we should 0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:03.880 just do this for this movie. And so for a 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.720 lot of the bagel shots, it was this very collaborative 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:11.880 exploration where they would keep sending me elements or I'd 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.400 ask for certain things, and then I'd try to stick 0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:17.960 it together into like something that felt stupid and cosmic 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:20.880 and beautiful sometime and then I would pass it over 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:22.680 to Ethan, who has like a really good eye for 0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:27.800 like very old school techniques. Like he you know, he 0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:30.040 was the kid in school because we all went to 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:31.080 Emerson College. 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.560 He was the kid in school who it's the. 0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:34.800 First place I dropped acid. 0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:40.840 Nice connect But he was doing like optical printing, like 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:45.760 practically with with like sixteen millimeters back in college when 0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:48.000 everyone else was already moved on to digital or whatever. 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:51.040 So like it was a really fun, weird, organic thing, 0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:54.480 and we are really proud of it, like all of. 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.520 It feels unique to this movie. It doesn't feel like 0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:00.000 we're trying to compete with the big blockbusters. 0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:03.280 It has its own style and its own handmade ethos 0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:03.720 to it. 0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:07.000 And during COVID, we were all just like, uh, we 0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:10.280 were going were everyone was working more hours than we expected, 0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:15.120 but we were just giving money to our friends. So 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:16.240 it's pretty cool way. 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.600 To get the dream. 0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:20.880 And we weren't going that far over budget. I was like, 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:24.280 I guess we'll just send some money to our friends. 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:27.800 It became like a valuable job for you know, all 0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:29.600 of them to be like, right, let's just let's just 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:30.160 chug away. 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:33.320 And especially because all of these directors weren't booking jobs 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:35.720 because there was nothing to do. It ended up being 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:40.360 a really beautiful, like weird, perfect project for all of us. 0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:43.960 You mentioned the four year journey to get this on 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:49.520 the screen and the the numerous miracles that were necessary 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:53.920 to make it happen. Was there ever a moment where 0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:55.680 you're like, Fuck, we're just not going to make We're 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:56.840 not going to make this movie. 0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:00.960 A couple of lowest lows, Dan, I think that, I mean, 1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:04.280 the biggest one was like we haven't talked. We haven't 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:06.440 spoken too much about this, but you know, when we 1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:11.160 set out to make this movie, Asian American films hadn't 1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:16.640 been like a proven, like viable business like model, I 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:18.680 guess for lack of a better words. So we actually 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.400 had a hard time figuring out the casting of it all. 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:24.640 And at one point, you know, we had Aquafina attached 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:26.640 and that was going to give us our green light 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:29.400 because you know, she was one of the few Asian 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:33.000 American actresses or actress in our whole industry that could 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:37.520 probably green light something. And when some scheduling conflicts came up, 1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:39.280 like the whole thing almost fell. 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:42.160 Apart, which was really it was really scary, but also 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:43.120 just really frustrating. 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:45.600 It's kind of it's like because they're also likes there 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:49.160 are a lot of talented people out there, like a 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:50.080 good movie guys. 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:53.680 Yeah, And so that that that that was probably my 1:00:53.880 --> 1:01:00.400 lowest low just just realizing how as independent filmmakers, how 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:04.000 tired we are to the value the imaginary value of 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:05.760 these actors. 1:01:06.520 --> 1:01:09.120 And it's it's none of them is their fault. 1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:10.840 It's just the way that the machine works, in the 1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:14.520 way that the agents kind of talk to each other and. 1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:19.680 And try to you know, like we're always in like 1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:20.360 this bad. 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:23.080 Position as in the independent filmmakers where we have very 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:25.520 little leverage, you know, and it's very good. So that 1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:30.520 that is a very disempowering experience to try to get 1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:33.680 your money funded. Right now, we're we're executive producing another 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:38.200 movie and we're in that problem right now, and you know, 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:40.920 even as executive producers, we don't know what to do. 1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:41.800 Sometimes it's like this. 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:45.840 The whole the whole conundrum of casting a list actors 1:01:45.880 --> 1:01:49.040 for small indie movies is it's like it's a really 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:51.960 great model because then you know, these movies get to 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:54.800 be seen by people. But then it's also really frustrating 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:56.880 because it's so fragile. The whole thing can just fall 1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:59.680 apart any moment. And I more in all the movies 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:03.520 that basically died close to the finish line, you know, 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:07.680 because of casting problems, which I know so many of 1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:09.800 my friends have gone through that problem process. 1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:13.280 Yeah, do you have a low point that it was fun? 1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:14.479 The whole thing was fun. 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:17.960 It was just a blasted yeah, yeah, finish. 1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:22.120 Yeah. We finished it last summer and so we've been 1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:26.040 waiting until theaters were open because we, like everyone really 1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:31.440 believed it was worth seeing in theaters, but uh, you 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:35.080 know so the last few surges of COVID were pretty demoralizing. 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:37.919 It was like, Chris never, it's never coming out. It's never. 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:43.680 I don't know, And what is it like after kind 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:46.640 of those that that journey, you know, the highs and 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:48.760 loads and everything. What's it like for the movie to 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:52.600 come out? And it hasn't even gone wide yet? But 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:55.080 what's it been like to come out and see this 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:57.520 story that I'm sure many people told you was like 1:02:58.240 --> 1:03:01.520 not universal enough or war was too ni sure, and 1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:04.160 to have like every single person who see it go, 1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:07.680 oh my god, this is so relatable. I love this movie. Like, 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:09.640 what has it been like to get to see it 1:03:09.680 --> 1:03:11.160 on the screen and see all the work that you 1:03:11.200 --> 1:03:13.600 and your friends put in and see this story be 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:17.080 received by so many different kinds of people as something 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:19.680 that really means something to them? 1:03:19.720 --> 1:03:20.280 Confusing? 1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:25.400 Yeah, I still don't believe it. I genuinely don't. Like 1:03:25.440 --> 1:03:27.360 I still like, well, like someone will be like, oh, 1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:29.720 it's got this score on Rott Tomato and like I 1:03:29.760 --> 1:03:31.760 haven't internalized that. I don't think I believe you. 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:33.920 Yeah, I don't think I believe you because so much 1:03:33.920 --> 1:03:35.960 for our work is built off the premise of like, 1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:39.520 no one's going to let us make this, Like like 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:42.240 that's that's such a driving force behind our processes. 1:03:42.280 --> 1:03:44.160 It's like the things we want to see out there 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:46.400 that aren't getting made, or the things that interest us. 1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:50.480 But then we know we're biting off something unlikely or 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:53.560 that might be niche, but that'll mean something to the 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:54.400 people like us. 1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:57.480 And so we thought this would reach you know, a 1:03:57.480 --> 1:04:00.600 bigger audience than so sorry man, obviously, but even still, 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:02.600 like we knew that there would this movie would be 1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:04.439 too much for people like that. We made this movie 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:08.400 specifically knowing that we would push some people away because 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:13.960 we were just you know, it's it's such a loud, long, overstuffed, wild, 1:04:14.160 --> 1:04:18.439 chaotic thing, which is very intentional, and you know, every 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:21.040 decision we made, we're like, okay, if we keep the 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:26.040 butt plugs in the percentage of our audience they lose 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:28.160 and how much do you know it's but also how 1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:30.160 much stronger are the themes. 1:04:31.160 --> 1:04:33.960 Hot dog fingers? What was the percentages on that one? 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:36.920 Is like exactly, It's like and we're like, okay, but 1:04:36.960 --> 1:04:39.600 if we keep the hot dog fingers and how beautiful 1:04:39.640 --> 1:04:41.240 and romantic can we make that? 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:43.080 How how cathartic can that be? 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:45.720 So again, we can just win a couple more people, 1:04:45.720 --> 1:04:48.640 and so the whole thing is a very calculated affair, 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:49.400 but our. 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:53.080 Math was off. This is too much. 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:54.360 Yeah, I don't believe it. 1:04:54.400 --> 1:04:57.640 I do hope that with the wide release things start 1:04:57.680 --> 1:04:59.040 to like, you know, even out a little bit. 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:05.919 Pore this SoundBite after the movie flops, the exact dot 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:07.440 com bubble of a movie. 1:05:08.040 --> 1:05:10.160 It will be the funniest SoundBite when it becomes like 1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:11.840 the biggest movie of all time. And then you do 1:05:11.960 --> 1:05:14.000 it just like crying, like why do people. 1:05:15.480 --> 1:05:15.800 Is that? 1:05:15.880 --> 1:05:20.040 It's like the imposter syndrome in me is just fully 1:05:20.080 --> 1:05:22.360 on fire right now. I'm like, this is it's a 1:05:22.360 --> 1:05:26.520 horrible feeling. But also so on the grand scale, it's 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:27.920 a horrible horrible feeling. 1:05:28.560 --> 1:05:32.760 On the individual level, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine. 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:36.040 But on the individual level, when we get chance to 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:38.560 talk to people after Q and A's or have people 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:41.920 d m us these very personal stories, it is just 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:46.480 the most fulfilling, beautiful experience, Like the fact that we 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:49.560 can work so hard on something that is very personal 1:05:49.600 --> 1:05:52.600 and very like specific to us and to have so 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:55.160 many different kinds of people from different walks of life 1:05:55.320 --> 1:05:58.280 just see themselves in it. And it's like, you know, 1:05:58.600 --> 1:06:02.120 we've been doing screens and almost every it feels like 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:02.760 almost every. 1:06:02.680 --> 1:06:03.560 Night for the past three weeks. 1:06:03.640 --> 1:06:06.600 Yeah, and you know, I would say at least half 1:06:06.640 --> 1:06:10.040 of them, if not more, someone will come up to 1:06:10.120 --> 1:06:12.560 us and start crying on one of our shoulders. And 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:17.360 it's just this very strange thing where we have created 1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:21.240 this space for people to fully express themselves, you know 1:06:21.360 --> 1:06:22.920 now that you know, because the movie kind of just 1:06:22.960 --> 1:06:27.720 destroys logic, destroys any conventions, and just really just leaves 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:30.200 you in this place of like possibility, or at least 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:34.320 that's that's our attention. And some people take that as 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:38.520 an invitation to fully express themselves to us, and and. 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:43.080 It's it is just it is humbling. 1:06:43.680 --> 1:06:46.880 It's a humbling reminder of the fact that, like, our 1:06:46.920 --> 1:06:48.959 films matter. And I think a lot of people have 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:52.400 forgotten that. You know, I even forgotten that, like I don't. 1:06:52.480 --> 1:06:55.280 I don't until like, you know, three weeks ago, when 1:06:55.280 --> 1:06:57.760 the movie came out. Don't I was starting to lose 1:06:57.800 --> 1:07:00.560 faith in the idea that movies can change pop lives. 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:03.040 You know, like I've forgotten that, I've forgotten that that's 1:07:03.080 --> 1:07:04.720 what happened to me, Like I forgot that movie has 1:07:04.760 --> 1:07:06.920 changed my life and that's why my bad became a filmmaker. 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:10.680 And so to have this response remind me of the 1:07:10.680 --> 1:07:13.320 power of what we're doing is like really humbling and 1:07:13.360 --> 1:07:15.680 also just putting it puts a fire under my ass. 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:17.880 And because like I'm realizing ship the next thing I do, 1:07:18.000 --> 1:07:20.840 like I can't, I can't go easy. This is this 1:07:20.920 --> 1:07:24.080 is so important. It's too important for me to to 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:24.760 get lazy. 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:27.320 In fact, there's so much more work to be done 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:27.800 in the world. 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:29.760 And you know, if this is the only tool I 1:07:29.840 --> 1:07:33.160 have to save the world, I want to use it, 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:35.960 you know, and how how thrilling, how exciting and so 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:38.160 like you know, when our next movie comes out and 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:39.680 it saves the world, you. 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:43.840 Can this sound exactly exactly. 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:48.840 Slash when Dan starts a cult, when I started. 1:07:48.880 --> 1:07:51.920 Exactly the Bagel cult. 1:07:51.720 --> 1:07:56.040 But part of part of the the credit will go 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:58.600 to all the wonderful people who have reached out to 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:01.000 us and remind us of the fact that stories matter, 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:03.760 or the blame matter exactly, or the blame when when 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:05.520 the when the movie backfires. 1:08:05.000 --> 1:08:08.680 And does the opposite somehow right, the opposite. Yeah, it 1:08:08.760 --> 1:08:11.480 ends the world. That's actually what our next movie should be. 1:08:11.720 --> 1:08:13.479 Just suicide cult of a movie. 1:08:13.560 --> 1:08:15.920 No, it's about two directors trying to make a movie 1:08:15.960 --> 1:08:19.280 to save the world and accidentally they end. 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:20.719 The world in the World's good. 1:08:21.479 --> 1:08:23.080 You guys are too scoop us. 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:31.439 Well, congratulations on really just a really super mind melty, 1:08:32.920 --> 1:08:38.200 heartfelt movie that it was a blast to watch. Congratulations 1:08:38.200 --> 1:08:41.280 on it coming out. Congratulations on the accolades you all 1:08:41.280 --> 1:08:44.479 deserve it. Here's hoping it's the biggest hit in the 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:47.599 world very soon. And we just we loved it. 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:50.040 So thank you, Thank you so much for coming and 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:51.160 thank you so much. 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:53.439 Nice to meet you. Also, such a great conversation. Thank 1:08:53.479 --> 1:08:54.439 you guys, Thank you. 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:56.000 Thank you so much for taking the time. 1:08:56.040 --> 1:08:56.800 Bye. 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:01.320 Up Next, Ira and Lewis interview the iconic the legendary 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:05.720 Michelle yo x ray Vision is brought to you by 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:10.840 Smile Actives. Are you self conscious about your smile due 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:16.479 to stains? Are your teeth aging you? Popular food and 1:09:16.520 --> 1:09:22.720 drinks are known to stained teeth. Beverages like coffee and 1:09:22.920 --> 1:09:26.160 wine stain them over time. So what can you do 1:09:26.240 --> 1:09:29.000 to brighten your smile. Well, you should give smile Actives 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:33.800 a try. 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This week's 1:12:32.439 --> 1:12:36.519 episode is about vibes, okay, and if there is any 1:12:37.280 --> 1:12:43.920 movie out right now that more encapsulates vibes than anything, 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:46.960 it is everything everywhere, all at once. 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:52.480 Yes, and we are very lucky to have the legendary 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:56.400 and to say delightful is a complete understatement. I was 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:59.439 sitting in this interview just overjoyed with our Michelle yo. 1:12:59.520 --> 1:13:00.480 Is with us. 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:02.000 The Bond girl. 1:13:03.040 --> 1:13:06.280 I was gonna say, you know what, I feel like 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:08.160 she rarely comes up in like a list of like 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:10.320 the best Bond girls ever, and it's like, I mean, 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:12.080 who is more formidable than Michelle Yo. 1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:14.600 I know, I feel like because she was part of 1:13:14.640 --> 1:13:18.120 that era that took the Bond girl too like Bond woman. 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:20.680 You know, that was when we started to have the 1:13:20.720 --> 1:13:23.120 conversation should we be calling them Bond girls? 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:25.639 As long as you call them, that's my route. 1:13:25.439 --> 1:13:34.320 Paul, We're not cutting that joke, Lois. I want people 1:13:34.360 --> 1:13:36.840 to hear it. I want Danielle Perez to hear it 1:13:37.120 --> 1:13:40.280 and say, you know what, He's not as good as me. 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:46.200 But Michelle Yo is clearly better than like what other 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:48.160 bob like Maude Adams, Barbara Back. 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:50.400 Come on, Michelle Yo is top tier anyway. 1:13:50.840 --> 1:13:57.240 Yeah, I mean Michelle Yo. Halle Berry. I always yeah, 1:13:57.280 --> 1:14:00.920 I always forget that Grace Jones, I guess wasn't a 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:03.000 Bond girl. She was like a villain. 1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:07.080 Correct, Yes, And and she got to stare angrily and 1:14:07.080 --> 1:14:09.479 have trapezoidal facial features all over that movie. 1:14:09.720 --> 1:14:16.160 Yeah. But getting back to everything everywhere, all at once, which, 1:14:16.360 --> 1:14:20.040 by the way, I fucking loved. And it's wild that 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:25.720 it's from two directors who they're collectively known as the Daniels, 1:14:26.280 --> 1:14:31.360 Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert, who got their start directing 1:14:31.920 --> 1:14:40.519 music videos. As I feel most John rabbending movies that 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:44.400 feel like a cult movie from the moment you watch it. 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:48.479 I feel like those directors always come from like music videos, 1:14:48.479 --> 1:14:54.679 like a Spike Jones, you know, yeah, they did DJ 1:14:54.760 --> 1:14:56.360 Snake's Turned Down for What. 1:14:58.320 --> 1:14:58.599 Which? 1:14:59.439 --> 1:15:01.080 If you have ever I heard that song even once, 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:02.599 it's still resonating in your skull. 1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:08.400 So and a couple Foster the people on songs that 1:15:08.640 --> 1:15:12.759 aren't pumped up kicks, so you probably never heard them before. 1:15:13.600 --> 1:15:15.519 I was gonna say they are not ringing about. 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:21.679 But you know, their last film was their debut Swiss 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:25.240 Army Man, which I still have not seen. 1:15:27.439 --> 1:15:30.280 I have friends who stands it doesn't seem like my 1:15:30.400 --> 1:15:32.759 sort of thing, but that doesn't mean it's not good. 1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:37.680 I just remember hearing farting Corpse and I was like, 1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:39.960 you know what, it's not for. 1:15:40.000 --> 1:15:42.960 Me, right, some things just aren't for us. 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:46.680 Also, I'm weirdly not a Daniel Radcliffe stand to the 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:48.760 point where I need to see everything that he's in, 1:15:48.880 --> 1:15:52.639 even though I do appreciate him, you know as a 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:53.680 elder statesman. 1:15:55.240 --> 1:15:58.200 Oh yeah, no, I would even just say a grown 1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:00.000 up yeah, Like when you ask him for a quote 1:16:00.080 --> 1:16:03.240 and he's like here, comes someone with a head on 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:06.280 their shoulders appreciate it enough if you just provide that 1:16:06.320 --> 1:16:06.800 we love it. 1:16:06.840 --> 1:16:08.759 Do you want to talk about what happened at the Oscars? 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:10.400 Daniel Radcliffe Absolutely not. 1:16:14.600 --> 1:16:16.200 He's like, I'm five to two and I gotta get 1:16:16.200 --> 1:16:16.719 out of here. 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:19.600 No. 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:23.240 But the thing about this film is that it's one 1:16:23.240 --> 1:16:27.200 of those films that I feel like you're like the Matrix, 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:30.240 you know, like when it comes out, like everyone is 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:33.439 talking about it and everyone is sort of telling you 1:16:33.479 --> 1:16:37.000 to go and see it. I truly have not had 1:16:37.080 --> 1:16:40.719 a film, at least within the past few years, maybe 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:44.440 thanks of the pandemic, but even right before the pandemic 1:16:44.479 --> 1:16:48.599 where people are texting me asking if I've seen it, 1:16:49.080 --> 1:16:51.080 or friends are like, hey, do you want to go 1:16:51.160 --> 1:16:54.880 see this movie? You know, it feels like everyone has 1:16:54.920 --> 1:16:57.120 it on their radar. Yeah. 1:16:57.160 --> 1:17:00.320 Well, I would actually compare it to the does not 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:05.320 seem intuitive Hereditary in that it is putting together genres 1:17:05.320 --> 1:17:08.479 that seemingly don't belong together, namely, like in Hereditary's case, 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:11.880 you get like very visceral horror, and then you get 1:17:12.800 --> 1:17:16.280 a family drama like rabbit Hole or something, whereas in 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:21.200 this movie you get a very sensitive observed family situation, 1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:24.639 a queer story, and that's looped together with this sort of. 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:25.400 Comic book thing. 1:17:26.040 --> 1:17:26.200 This. 1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:28.360 I don't think I'm giving much away by saying a 1:17:28.439 --> 1:17:32.439 multiverse thing. And so there's it's one of those something 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:33.639 for everyone type movies. 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:37.400 Yeah, I mean A twenty four sort of does that well, 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:39.720 you know. In addition, in addition, I guess that's what 1:17:39.760 --> 1:17:43.080 they do. Yeah, in addition to being an urban outfitters, 1:17:43.840 --> 1:17:48.599 they are also very good at sort of genre films 1:17:48.640 --> 1:17:51.879 that are multiple genres. All right, when we are back, 1:17:53.040 --> 1:17:57.320 we sit down with the icon Michelle Yo to discuss 1:17:57.439 --> 1:18:01.400 everything everywhere, all at once, and and all of her 1:18:01.479 --> 1:18:09.360 other classic films. I mean, she's been in so many 1:18:11.240 --> 1:18:15.720 I think our guest today truly needs no introduction. She 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:23.440 is a legend, the star of the Action Pact, hilarious, 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:25.800 so much going on film that I can't wait to 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:29.880 talk with her about everything everywhere, all at once. The 1:18:30.439 --> 1:18:35.120 Michelle Yeo, thank you so much for joining us today. 1:18:36.479 --> 1:18:39.080 Very happy to be here. Ira and Lewis. 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:45.880 I first want to say this movie is amazing and 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:49.600 you are amazing in it, and it is so exciting 1:18:49.680 --> 1:18:53.840 to see you in a role like this. And I 1:18:53.920 --> 1:18:59.439 want to ask you. Before this interview, I revisited Yes Madam. 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:01.200 Oh wow. 1:19:02.640 --> 1:19:07.600 And what's so interesting about that is that you immediately 1:19:07.800 --> 1:19:12.880 have this amazing screen presence. You are so funny in 1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:15.840 that film, and you were just sort of like really 1:19:15.920 --> 1:19:21.120 command the screen with your skill at like martial arts. 1:19:21.200 --> 1:19:25.000 And you just sort of like really commandeer that film. 1:19:25.080 --> 1:19:31.200 And I want to know, were you always a funny person? Like, 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:34.280 I know you started out in pageants, but like you're 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:37.679 you're so you're you're so funny in Yes Bata, You're 1:19:37.760 --> 1:19:40.840 so great at martial arts. It's like, where did this 1:19:40.880 --> 1:19:42.240 all come from? 1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:45.040 Oh my god, definitely not from a pageant. 1:19:44.800 --> 1:19:53.799 Right, miscongeniality? Okay, you were. 1:19:55.280 --> 1:20:07.160 Probably right, good friend, Okay. 1:20:03.840 --> 1:20:07.839 No, When I first started, there was nothing funny. 1:20:07.960 --> 1:20:11.439 I never saw myself. My producers never really saw me 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:16.120 as funny. They were very focused on It's true. The 1:20:16.160 --> 1:20:18.880 movie that I was in, Yes Madam, is one of my. 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:20.680 First action films. 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:24.160 In fact, the first movie I was in is a 1:20:24.160 --> 1:20:28.479 action comedy movie. But the comedy and the action were 1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:32.160 all done by Samo Hook and the legendary Samo Hoo 1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:37.519 and George Lamb. The amazing singer actor, And when I 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:40.200 was watching them, I'm thinking, like, I can do this, 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:41.120 you know. 1:20:41.040 --> 1:20:44.200 Because this very much is all choreography. 1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:46.519 It's all about precision and timing. 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:47.320 It's like dance. 1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:49.960 It's like the world of ballet and dance that I've 1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:52.519 been involved in for the last blah blah blah of 1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:55.559 my life. So when I was so grateful when the 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:58.479 producers are well, okay, you know, she's a little bit crazy. 1:20:58.520 --> 1:21:02.799 She must be crazy to even try, because that world 1:21:03.000 --> 1:21:08.280 of martial arts and is physical. I mean, if you 1:21:08.320 --> 1:21:10.800 asked the Jackie Chance and the Jet Lee and the 1:21:10.800 --> 1:21:14.000 Master You and Mall Pain and the Samu Home, there 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:19.280 was nothing funny. It looked funny. There was physical comedy, 1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:23.559 but the stunts and the action that they did was 1:21:23.880 --> 1:21:27.880 very physical and dangerous because at that time, remember in 1:21:27.960 --> 1:21:32.120 the heydays of the amazing times of Hong Kong Cinema 1:21:32.320 --> 1:21:36.840 where that was where I started, we didn't have CGI, 1:21:37.720 --> 1:21:40.760 we didn't have the budgets to have cables. 1:21:40.920 --> 1:21:42.880 We have these like scrawny little. 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:46.479 Thin wires that held the whole body weight and you 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:48.960 we over like wizen around in the air and when 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:54.960 it snapped, you literally the stunt guys just fall from 1:21:55.320 --> 1:21:58.759 wherever they are. So at that point when I actually 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:00.960 turn around and say I would like to try this, 1:22:01.160 --> 1:22:03.280 they looked at me like I was insane. 1:22:06.520 --> 1:22:09.240 But then you know she studied abroad. Maybe that's screwed 1:22:09.280 --> 1:22:09.439 with it. 1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:17.080 But okay, so they yes, Madam. I was surrounded by 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:20.599 comedians like the John Sham, the Choy Hawk. 1:22:20.840 --> 1:22:21.920 They were like the. 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:25.200 High powered comedy artists. I mean they walked into the 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:29.400 set and people laugh. So I was tasked with, Okay, 1:22:29.680 --> 1:22:32.920 now I have to convince the audience that I belong here. 1:22:33.040 --> 1:22:35.559 I deserve to have a place next to the guys 1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:40.760 doing this martial arts. So I trained very hard and 1:22:40.920 --> 1:22:44.479 it was It was not not an easy task because 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:47.000 they have been they paid their dues to be where 1:22:47.280 --> 1:22:50.000 they are. They it didn't come on a silver platter 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:54.320 for them. So to join the boys club, which it 1:22:54.439 --> 1:22:57.120 was a boys club, you know, they will tell you because. 1:22:57.040 --> 1:23:00.320 They did it in that way in the in the mindset. 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:02.800 We protect our women, we don't let them get hurt 1:23:02.960 --> 1:23:05.559 and this and except you know, Jackie says that I 1:23:05.600 --> 1:23:10.840 were like, no, bro, don't go there. And you know, 1:23:11.000 --> 1:23:13.800 because we have to learn to protect ourselves and if 1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:16.720 you keep doing that, then we will never grow to 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:19.960 be who we are right, which which is prevalent all 1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:23.559 the time. So that was the beginning of my days, 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:27.280 my start of doing martial arts. I was well protected, 1:23:27.360 --> 1:23:31.880 I was well loved, I was well taught and well 1:23:31.920 --> 1:23:34.880 protected in the sense that when you do a stunt, 1:23:34.960 --> 1:23:38.320 when you do the action sequences, you must learn to 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:41.840 respect each other. You know, you have to have the stamina, 1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:44.680 you have to have the precision. If I say I 1:23:44.800 --> 1:23:49.200 punch you in here, I'm not going to punch you here, right, 1:23:49.439 --> 1:23:51.360 And the only way to do that is if you 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:54.960 are in training and that you are you have the 1:23:55.000 --> 1:23:58.280 capabilities and not just say like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. No. 1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:02.200 There is disciplin it, there is hard work, and there 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:04.679 is like you you sweat blood. 1:24:05.200 --> 1:24:05.960 That's how it is. 1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:10.480 So but I loved it. I love the physical aspect 1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:12.880 of it. I love the challenge of it. I love 1:24:12.960 --> 1:24:16.000 to meet part of the boys gang and go like, yeah, 1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:18.880 let's go out and have fun. Man. You know, you 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:20.720 get to do things that you would never get I 1:24:20.760 --> 1:24:22.120 would never do in real life. 1:24:23.040 --> 1:24:23.400 I don't. 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:28.040 I was so pleased to see this clip of you 1:24:28.080 --> 1:24:29.040 that's going around viral. 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:31.080 I believe you're talking to GQ and you talk about 1:24:31.080 --> 1:24:32.520 how oh my god. 1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:34.719 That's such a beautiful interview. 1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:37.880 Yeah, right after you say you love hanging with the boys, 1:24:37.880 --> 1:24:39.439 I bring up a moment in which you cry, this 1:24:39.520 --> 1:24:40.439 is not to be crossed. 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:45.240 Oh my god, I'm never going to live this, dun. 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:50.240 But something I loved about that clip was you talk 1:24:50.320 --> 1:24:53.360 about how, even just reading the script, all of these 1:24:53.439 --> 1:24:55.920 kind of genres are a parent Like there's comedy in it, 1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:59.200 there's tragedy, there's martial arts, et cetera. What's crazy to 1:24:59.240 --> 1:25:01.479 me is I cannot picture this as a script. So 1:25:01.560 --> 1:25:03.880 much is going on on screen that I can't picture 1:25:03.880 --> 1:25:06.599 that translated to the page. So how much of what 1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:09.679 you see in this movie are you surprised to see? 1:25:09.920 --> 1:25:13.120 Because I can't picture it all just existing in the script. 1:25:13.320 --> 1:25:15.400 I'm not supposed it's all in the script. 1:25:15.520 --> 1:25:20.960 Wow, if you see a picture of my script, Because 1:25:21.000 --> 1:25:24.439 how I work is like I tag any scene that 1:25:24.520 --> 1:25:27.760 I'm in and on the side. Normally you know when 1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:29.479 you have a script. I was tagg it on the side. 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:31.559 So I look at the script and I know, okay, 1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:35.320 I am in like thirty of the whatever pages or whatever. 1:25:35.400 --> 1:25:38.880 I'm in fifty or something like this. So that's my process. 1:25:38.960 --> 1:25:41.599 And if it's an action movie, it has like Okay, 1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:44.479 this is a dramatic scene, it will be tagged in yellow. 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:46.800 It is an action scene, it will be tagged in red. 1:25:47.360 --> 1:25:52.240 By that time I finished tagging my script, I first 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:56.360 started off with you know, the big stickers, and I found, Okay, 1:25:56.400 --> 1:25:58.599 I'm not going to have enough space for this because 1:25:58.640 --> 1:26:01.400 in one page there are ten multi. 1:26:01.240 --> 1:26:03.360 Universe versus going on. 1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:07.679 So I went onto the really it tybt skinny ones 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:10.240 and by the time I finished one day, I'm going 1:26:10.320 --> 1:26:12.599 to post that on my Instagram and you guys will 1:26:12.600 --> 1:26:16.160 see what I mean. My script was tagged all the 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:20.559 way around with all the colors of the rainbow because 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:24.120 it's each universe get their own color. 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:26.479 And by the end, I was like, what the hell 1:26:26.560 --> 1:26:27.600 am I dealing with? 1:26:27.920 --> 1:26:32.800 It was I am in every single scene, every single team. 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:35.559 There is like just no, like okay, I can take 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:37.479 the next few days off and wander around and see 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:40.360 what's going to happen. It was like no, but it 1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:45.559 was written like that. The Daniels did not stray. They 1:26:45.640 --> 1:26:49.960 had a This was like their bible. And remember we 1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:53.320 are an independent film. Well like, yes, we're in independent 1:26:53.320 --> 1:26:55.360 felt mon steroids and probably a. 1:26:55.280 --> 1:26:57.080 Lot of it. I don't know what they were feeding them, 1:26:58.840 --> 1:27:00.280 but the facts. 1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:07.200 We had eight weeks but thirty seven shooting days. And 1:27:07.280 --> 1:27:11.120 you cannot go and do this with all the crazy 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:14.400 things happening, you know, by saying, well, let's see what 1:27:14.439 --> 1:27:15.080 happens today. 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:15.840 No, no, no, no no. 1:27:16.520 --> 1:27:22.519 They are their team lacking our DP. You know, the 1:27:22.560 --> 1:27:27.120 stunt coordinator Tim, you know, with the set designer, the 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:32.000 Jason everyone, they all they've been together, they work together. 1:27:32.040 --> 1:27:35.920 And Paul our editor. I mean I met his wife 1:27:35.960 --> 1:27:38.240 and he says, you've been living with us for two years. 1:27:38.000 --> 1:27:39.680 And I'm like, oh, dear, I don't know what to 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:40.280 say to that. 1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:44.000 But they know each other so well, so they know 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:47.760 their editing as they like the martial arts sequences. 1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:49.360 It's not by accident. 1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:51.439 They know how to pull back when they want you 1:27:51.520 --> 1:27:54.599 to see and then give you the most intense close ups. 1:27:55.240 --> 1:27:56.000 Right. 1:27:56.040 --> 1:27:59.679 This is not by accident. This is understanding their craft, 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:04.160 understanding the different techniques that they can put into this. 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:06.919 When we don't have the money to do special effects, 1:28:06.920 --> 1:28:09.760 to do the confetti, blah blah blah, they have confetti 1:28:09.800 --> 1:28:14.760 coming out of the guy. So it is done with precision, 1:28:14.960 --> 1:28:20.679 It is done with like great thought and so everything. 1:28:20.800 --> 1:28:25.599 I was surprised to see something, you know what, because 1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:28.920 there are so many multiverses going on you when you 1:28:29.000 --> 1:28:31.800 see it, you go, oh, oh the link, you know, 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:33.880 like the opera singer. It's like, okay, why am I 1:28:33.920 --> 1:28:37.080 suddenly an operas an? You know he was blinded as 1:28:37.120 --> 1:28:39.479 a kid. But you only see because when you. 1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:41.000 Read it it is at. 1:28:40.840 --> 1:28:44.559 Different times of the shot, so you don't see it 1:28:44.640 --> 1:28:48.519 as a scene and only comes together right at the 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:51.880 end when she needs that skill and you see why, 1:28:52.040 --> 1:28:54.639 Oh she became blind because she fell on that and 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:57.880 she blinded herself as a kid. So but then the 1:28:58.000 --> 1:29:01.839 father taught her another skill, another gift that she had, which. 1:29:01.720 --> 1:29:02.400 Was her voice. 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:04.519 You know, I'm like, what, it's an opera single got 1:29:04.520 --> 1:29:06.679 to do with a skill, Oh, because she can hold 1:29:06.680 --> 1:29:12.160 her breath. So then you know, all these like imagery 1:29:12.720 --> 1:29:17.080 that you shoot ties in and gives you that, Yes, 1:29:17.520 --> 1:29:22.640 you are not surprised, but the realization how it is 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:25.639 tied together, that's the beauty of that journey. 1:29:26.600 --> 1:29:28.799 I mean, well, speaking of even that moment that Lewis 1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:32.400 brought up too. You know, I love how you talk 1:29:32.479 --> 1:29:35.040 about how you know this was sort of like a script, 1:29:35.120 --> 1:29:38.120 like a role that you'd been waiting for and you 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:40.640 were it was almost like a gift to you. And 1:29:41.479 --> 1:29:47.639 you've had such a long career with so many different roles. 1:29:48.600 --> 1:29:52.040 What would you say you felt like you have been 1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:56.960 missing in your roles before this film came along, and 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:59.000 sort of like what do you still feel like you 1:29:59.600 --> 1:30:03.160 want to do one screen that people maybe haven't given 1:30:03.200 --> 1:30:06.000 you the opportunity to because you you know, you you're 1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:09.200 Michelle Yell like you beat people up, you can fly 1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:09.880 through the sky. 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:14.400 You know, No, I think in this particular one why 1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:18.439 I think where I know that Gqua interview you are 1:30:18.479 --> 1:30:22.360 talking about it was suddenly that moment, you know when 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:26.719 you feel that the Daniels they saw me people. 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:29.960 You know, you want people to see you and give you. 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:33.600 The opportunity to show you what I am capable of, 1:30:34.200 --> 1:30:36.719 And that's what they gave me. It was a very 1:30:36.720 --> 1:30:40.320 precious gift. And then not just them, they had the 1:30:40.920 --> 1:30:43.240 guts to ride it. And then we had a twenty 1:30:43.280 --> 1:30:47.040 four who believed that their gods were right and Michelle 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:49.960 yo Is crazy enough to want to do this and 1:30:50.000 --> 1:30:51.880 then to hold out for. 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:57.080 A cinema release in these times. You know, we've been 1:30:57.160 --> 1:30:58.559 we've had a real. 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:03.040 It's been hot the last two years, and I think 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:09.240 on many different levels, each person, for families, that disconnection 1:31:10.120 --> 1:31:13.080 and finally to be able to it was such a 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:18.400 moment of everything, everything just coming together, like the stars aligned, 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:23.040 and you can't even begin to know who to thank, 1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:27.320 but somebody is, like in the universe is looking after 1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:31.120 this little movie that we pourt so much love into 1:31:31.320 --> 1:31:31.679 the theater. 1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:35.000 I want to tell you, you know, like people are 1:31:35.400 --> 1:31:36.800 going out, how you need. 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:40.480 To watch the movie right? You had shared experience. 1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:43.639 It's like going back to our primal days when our 1:31:43.720 --> 1:31:47.360 ancestors like were under the stars and they were storytelling 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:49.120 around the campfire. 1:31:48.680 --> 1:31:49.240 And things like this. 1:31:49.640 --> 1:31:53.240 And for us, this is our safe place, you know, 1:31:53.320 --> 1:31:56.400 in the cinema where we are with strangers, we are 1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:57.760 with people that we don't know, all. 1:31:57.680 --> 1:31:59.760 Were with our family and people that we love. 1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:03.719 But the experience, the shared experience of joy, of pain, 1:32:03.920 --> 1:32:06.320 of laughter is so real. 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:08.760 That we feel it with each other. And I think 1:32:08.840 --> 1:32:10.760 this was what this movie. 1:32:10.560 --> 1:32:13.120 Has come out at an opportune time. 1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:19.920 Then we can have that what the let's just wah. 1:32:19.080 --> 1:32:20.960 And they you sit and have a great time. And 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:23.320 you're right, you have to see it in the cinemas 1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:25.439 and not just once. I think it's I find that 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:28.400 with the first time when you watch it, the intellect 1:32:28.560 --> 1:32:31.160 kicks in, the cerebral pot kicks and you. 1:32:31.160 --> 1:32:33.639 Go like, Okay, I am going to know who and what. 1:32:33.720 --> 1:32:37.920 And then after like fifteen minutes, you're like, that's when 1:32:37.960 --> 1:32:41.679 you become like Evelyn Walng And that's what the second 1:32:41.680 --> 1:32:44.320 time when you watch it, you're not so like, Okay, 1:32:44.520 --> 1:32:46.760 I am prepared to put on the safety belts, be 1:32:46.960 --> 1:32:49.080 in for this roller coaster, right, and just go. 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:52.120 Aw because now you have an inkling. 1:32:52.400 --> 1:32:55.960 Oh, they have to do crazy things or ridiculous things 1:32:56.000 --> 1:32:59.160 before they can multiverse jump, right, That's all you need 1:32:59.200 --> 1:33:01.599 to know. And then when they go to that universe, 1:33:01.680 --> 1:33:04.240 Evelyn Wong is going to learn a skill that she 1:33:04.320 --> 1:33:07.280 has never thought that she would possess, and she'll come 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:09.680 back here and do all these like crazy things that 1:33:09.800 --> 1:33:13.519 fight for humanity and fight for the people that she loves. 1:33:13.840 --> 1:33:15.600 Let's see, and the core of the story. 1:33:15.360 --> 1:33:19.479 Is that it is the familiar connections that we all 1:33:19.520 --> 1:33:21.200 find so relatable. 1:33:20.960 --> 1:33:26.200 With speaking of skills, you mentioned something in your interview 1:33:26.240 --> 1:33:29.880 magazine feature with Paul Giamatti where you talk about who 1:33:30.040 --> 1:33:32.120 I mean, that's so rad that you talk to him 1:33:32.120 --> 1:33:35.799 for that, But you mentioned how you mastered a calm, 1:33:35.880 --> 1:33:39.280 serene look for when you do martial arts, and in 1:33:39.320 --> 1:33:43.080 this movie you have to merge the martial arts with comedy, 1:33:43.160 --> 1:33:47.000 with you know, confusion, since this character is perpetually confused 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:50.519 for the movie. And to me, that sounds almost like 1:33:50.560 --> 1:33:52.840 the hardest part, like having to mesh like a comic 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:57.000 sensibility with like how hard the martial arts is. And 1:33:57.040 --> 1:34:00.400 I was wondering, like did that take five hundred to 1:34:00.400 --> 1:34:02.360 get right? To get all of that right lined up? 1:34:02.360 --> 1:34:04.040 Because you just said you had no time to make 1:34:04.080 --> 1:34:04.759 this movie either. 1:34:05.320 --> 1:34:06.760 No, you remember this is. 1:34:06.800 --> 1:34:09.679 And you don't have the luxury of so many takes. 1:34:09.720 --> 1:34:12.360 You know, you have to get it right. And I 1:34:12.400 --> 1:34:16.720 think because we and all it takes is the Daniels, 1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:18.920 and this is what I say to them every day. 1:34:18.960 --> 1:34:21.559 At the beginning, I'm going to be confused because you're 1:34:21.560 --> 1:34:23.559 going to be like multi jumping me. 1:34:24.040 --> 1:34:26.400 I know the gist of it, but you have you're 1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:28.160 like my, my my anchors. 1:34:28.360 --> 1:34:30.560 Right, you too are going to hold my hand and 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:32.320 you're going to bring me back when I need to 1:34:32.320 --> 1:34:35.639 come back, and you this is what you do. 1:34:35.720 --> 1:34:38.720 You are the directors, remember that, right, you are very 1:34:38.760 --> 1:34:42.200 simply the directors. Don't play mess with my head. It's 1:34:42.240 --> 1:34:45.080 already messed up enough. So when that happens, you know, 1:34:45.120 --> 1:34:48.880 when you jump into the universe. When I fight, I automatically, 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:51.280 it's very because that's what we've been trained to do 1:34:51.600 --> 1:34:54.519 all this time. It's like when you fight, you maintain 1:34:54.880 --> 1:34:57.639 because you are the mentor, you are the teacher. You 1:34:57.680 --> 1:35:00.000 are the number one martial artists, So you don't. 1:35:00.000 --> 1:35:01.200 I'm like, you don't. 1:35:01.400 --> 1:35:04.879 You don't flinch when a punch comes at you. 1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:08.439 You you learn to do it with the zen like quality. Right. 1:35:08.920 --> 1:35:11.759 So, and I'm fighting with Jamie and she's the best. 1:35:11.880 --> 1:35:14.920 She's fun, she's like gung host, She's like willing to 1:35:15.520 --> 1:35:19.320 do this, and then the Daniels come up to me 1:35:19.360 --> 1:35:22.960 and she's like, uh, But Evelyn Wong doesn't know how 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:27.040 to fight. So you know, when she gets the skill, 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:32.320 her face is registering the confusion of why the hell 1:35:32.400 --> 1:35:36.800 are my hands doing these like incredible things? And I 1:35:36.840 --> 1:35:39.200 have no control. You know, it's like the whole story 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:41.559 when she's talking about Rakacuni and all those kind of things. 1:35:41.680 --> 1:35:43.400 Like so when you get into your head and then 1:35:43.400 --> 1:35:44.639 they make you do all these things. 1:35:44.479 --> 1:35:46.479 And you don't realize what you're doing, and every really like, 1:35:46.520 --> 1:35:48.559 what the hell are you talking about? So I have 1:35:48.680 --> 1:35:52.240 to register the what frig is going on here? 1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:54.479 And then you so wow, I could do all this. 1:35:55.120 --> 1:35:58.200 You know from the change of expression, you are suddenly 1:35:58.240 --> 1:36:01.360 Evelyn Wong who have got this new skills and then 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:05.280 able to do all these physical things. Yes, you learn 1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:08.320 to fracture your mind, you learn to like split it. 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:11.280 It's like body does this, face does this, and that 1:36:11.439 --> 1:36:14.320 is going to how it is worked. So that was 1:36:14.360 --> 1:36:16.479 the great challenge. But that's why I signed up for 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:18.720 the movie, was the challenge of doing things that I 1:36:18.720 --> 1:36:19.599 had not done before. 1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:23.360 I want to talk a bit about you run the 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:25.559 gambut on people you've worked with, you know, like you 1:36:25.680 --> 1:36:28.040 started out, you know, you said working with like you know, 1:36:28.120 --> 1:36:31.120 like Sabo Kang, you know, like as like a director 1:36:31.240 --> 1:36:34.559 and also like doing stunts early on, and then you 1:36:34.800 --> 1:36:37.080 I feel like you got to work with so many 1:36:37.439 --> 1:36:40.800 icons and like the Hong Kong cinema world when you 1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:46.439 did Crouching Tiger, what was that experience, like, you know, 1:36:46.720 --> 1:36:50.960 working with Angley and also you know, just having him 1:36:51.200 --> 1:36:56.800 bring together so many people who done films, you know, 1:36:57.520 --> 1:37:01.280 Hong Kong like cinema for for years now, all sort 1:37:01.280 --> 1:37:04.200 of in one movie. Being able to work together. 1:37:05.800 --> 1:37:09.000 Working in with Angli is like poetry in motion. 1:37:09.439 --> 1:37:13.120 You know, he is he the way he loves cinema, 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:17.439 the way he loves the humanity and the storytelling him 1:37:17.479 --> 1:37:20.479 you look at it is a very intimate movie. It's 1:37:20.520 --> 1:37:26.920 about literally three people. For Jade Fox being the antagonist, right, 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:29.439 It's about me moved by Yusilia and that I play, 1:37:29.479 --> 1:37:32.960 and junk Ki and her young lover. So it's about 1:37:33.640 --> 1:37:37.200 what is important and the martial arts world. And that 1:37:37.320 --> 1:37:40.519 was what Angli was trying to do. He was trying 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:44.120 to present to the world something that he knew as 1:37:44.160 --> 1:37:47.000 a child. The martial arts world is not something that 1:37:47.040 --> 1:37:50.599 the West would know. But when I first spoke with him, 1:37:50.880 --> 1:37:52.760 he said to me, I wanted to do sense and. 1:37:52.760 --> 1:37:55.040 Sensibility with martial arts. 1:37:55.600 --> 1:37:57.719 That was when I was I was doing the press 1:37:57.840 --> 1:38:01.240 for Tomorrow and Ever Dies, one of the most incredible 1:38:01.320 --> 1:38:04.519 movie that any actress would want to be part of. 1:38:05.080 --> 1:38:07.880 And I waited two years. I didn't do another movie 1:38:08.400 --> 1:38:11.800 after that, waiting for Angry because we. 1:38:11.840 --> 1:38:14.320 All believed in him. We all believed in his vision, 1:38:14.640 --> 1:38:17.080 and we all wanted to make it happen. Show your 1:38:17.120 --> 1:38:22.839 fat myself, Peter Howe will calm. We all came together 1:38:22.960 --> 1:38:25.320 to say we want the rest of the world to 1:38:25.400 --> 1:38:26.639 embrace our culture. 1:38:26.680 --> 1:38:27.240 In that way. 1:38:28.080 --> 1:38:30.840 It was one of the best, one of the most poignant, 1:38:31.040 --> 1:38:33.360 one of the most beautiful, but one of the most 1:38:33.439 --> 1:38:38.280 painful experiences because I tore my acl after the first 1:38:38.320 --> 1:38:41.000 action sequence when I was, you know, around. 1:38:40.479 --> 1:38:43.320 The wall, and I run up the wall and down. 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:45.759 The wall, and then I think, when you're on the wire, 1:38:45.840 --> 1:38:47.880 off the wire, on the wire, off the wire, your 1:38:47.920 --> 1:38:49.080 body gets so confused. 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:50.719 Your mind is like where the hell is it going? 1:38:50.800 --> 1:38:50.960 You know? 1:38:51.040 --> 1:38:53.719 One time I jump and I'm soaring in the sky. 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:56.280 Next time I jump, my land thud, and like, like 1:38:56.320 --> 1:38:58.880 what happened to you? How come I can't fly? And 1:38:59.600 --> 1:39:02.640 it was the last day of the shoot. My it 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:07.439 felt like someone clubbed my knee. I fell to the 1:39:07.439 --> 1:39:09.479 ground and I was fighting with the stun double and 1:39:09.520 --> 1:39:11.600 I was like, why did you kill me. 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:14.439 And the poor guy was so horrified. He was like, 1:39:14.920 --> 1:39:15.840 I didn't touch you. 1:39:15.960 --> 1:39:18.400 I did it, and I thought, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:20.800 sorry you didn't There was no way because we were 1:39:20.840 --> 1:39:24.880 both doing it at a distance. But upon master Union 1:39:24.960 --> 1:39:29.040 Pain was our stunned choreographer's co ordinature at that time, 1:39:29.360 --> 1:39:32.400 and Angie, who was the editor, they went frame were 1:39:32.479 --> 1:39:35.880 framed to understand how was that possible that you know 1:39:36.880 --> 1:39:39.679 a simple thing that, But that's always the case. 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:41.920 The simplest motions are the ones that you get into 1:39:41.960 --> 1:39:42.479 trouble with. 1:39:43.040 --> 1:39:45.400 And in one of the shots, they saw that my 1:39:45.680 --> 1:39:48.200 leg when I was doing the front jump kick had 1:39:48.240 --> 1:39:53.639 just touched his leg, which probably that split second which 1:39:53.680 --> 1:39:56.400 I really didn't even know or notice, right and when 1:39:56.479 --> 1:40:01.040 I landed, it just wiped me out. And it was 1:40:01.160 --> 1:40:05.960 most also painful but beautiful because ang could have changed 1:40:06.000 --> 1:40:08.320 to me because I had only done that action sequence 1:40:08.400 --> 1:40:11.679 and action sequences with the artistry of master Uni Oppin, 1:40:12.360 --> 1:40:14.519 he could double it. You know, they could take all 1:40:14.560 --> 1:40:17.640 the shots and then make another person look like it 1:40:17.720 --> 1:40:20.599 was them who was fighting, and they could have done 1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:23.080 that easily. But I will never forget when I was 1:40:23.160 --> 1:40:27.400 in in Johns Hopkins with the specialists who said, I 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:30.920 can wrap your leg up, your knee up because your 1:40:32.040 --> 1:40:36.240 acl is gone. It's not just like torn it's like 1:40:36.520 --> 1:40:39.240 you basically you can run, you can't jump, you can't 1:40:39.240 --> 1:40:42.519 do sudden stops. You can walk gently, and that's about it. 1:40:42.560 --> 1:40:45.800 And you're like, I'm doing a martial arts movie. That's 1:40:45.880 --> 1:40:49.679 not possible, right, So Ang and Bill Kong, our producer 1:40:49.680 --> 1:40:52.040 at that time, just turn around and say, do what 1:40:52.080 --> 1:40:54.680 you need to do, get them fixed you up, and 1:40:54.680 --> 1:40:55.559 we will wait for you. 1:40:58.280 --> 1:41:01.960 Thank god they did. My god, God, what a movie. 1:41:02.080 --> 1:41:03.360 Uh yeah, incredible. 1:41:03.479 --> 1:41:06.000 No, as far as I'm concerned, there's also no second 1:41:06.000 --> 1:41:07.680 one of that movie. I just remember that was a 1:41:07.720 --> 1:41:10.120 movie that you came out and everybody I know had 1:41:10.160 --> 1:41:11.800 to see it, and it was like, wait, now I 1:41:11.800 --> 1:41:13.680 have to research every movie that's ever been like this 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:16.519 in history. It was such an education for everybody. So 1:41:16.600 --> 1:41:20.160 you really ushered in something for a lot of film viewers. 1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:23.000 I said, I'm looking through your filmography, truly, most of 1:41:23.040 --> 1:41:24.840 the things you have done of your career seem like 1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:30.280 the most time consuming and bodily harmful things ever. Like 1:41:30.400 --> 1:41:32.640 there are a couple of movies here like you were 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:34.400 in last Christmas a couple of years ago or whatever, 1:41:34.520 --> 1:41:36.920 or like, okay, maybe that was only a couple of weeks. 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:39.080 But I just want to remind you movies don't have 1:41:39.160 --> 1:41:41.639 to be like the most stressful situation of your life. 1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:44.000 I just want to say that. And I was wondering, 1:41:44.000 --> 1:41:45.920 are you craving just kind of like, I don't know, 1:41:46.040 --> 1:41:47.559 a rom com something that. 1:41:47.560 --> 1:41:49.799 Like you know, is just in an earthly normal realm. 1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:55.840 Ever, absolutely I would love to do that, you know, Yes, 1:41:56.880 --> 1:42:01.000 I was sounding yes, mean that I have to. 1:42:01.000 --> 1:42:02.320 Choose one over the other. 1:42:02.439 --> 1:42:06.080 I hope not good, right, because you know, I love 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:09.679 the challenges of being of doing things and it's nice. 1:42:09.680 --> 1:42:11.519 I would love to do a rom com in a 1:42:11.640 --> 1:42:13.360 musical or something like that. 1:42:13.439 --> 1:42:16.360 It would be so fun. And you're right, it doesn't 1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:18.240 always have to be physical. 1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:21.920 And you know, maybe a threat of being injured or 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:24.080 things like that, and it would be so nice just 1:42:24.120 --> 1:42:27.719 to do something that's like intimate and fun and loving. 1:42:28.439 --> 1:42:29.800 Yes, And I'm glad. 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:32.000 I'm glad to hear that because even looking at crazy 1:42:32.120 --> 1:42:35.120 Rich Asians, I'm like, that's like the most gigantic production ever, 1:42:35.280 --> 1:42:37.439 Like even that movie, which could be you know, just 1:42:37.600 --> 1:42:40.839 a thought. A quote unquote fun movie seems incredibly demanding 1:42:40.880 --> 1:42:42.519 based on how much time it must have taken the. 1:42:42.520 --> 1:42:47.280 Place, the scene alone, you know, place like the choreography 1:42:47.280 --> 1:42:48.400 that I feel like I have to go into that. 1:42:49.600 --> 1:42:52.559 Yah. No, you know, it's the thought that goes behind, 1:42:52.680 --> 1:42:55.559 is the respect that you give that culture, what is 1:42:55.600 --> 1:42:58.320 important to that culture. Majong is very important to the 1:42:58.400 --> 1:43:02.120 Chinese culture. And it's not just a game. There's much 1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:04.880 that goes on behind that game. It's like bridge, you know, 1:43:04.960 --> 1:43:07.599 it's like backgammon, It's like all these kind of things, Chess, 1:43:08.400 --> 1:43:11.160 Why do you play? This is a battle of wits 1:43:11.360 --> 1:43:13.760 and it's you know, it's like very reminiscent a bit 1:43:13.880 --> 1:43:17.519 of memoirs of a geisha when I was negotiating with 1:43:17.720 --> 1:43:21.160 the mama son about Sayuri and you know, bringing her 1:43:21.200 --> 1:43:24.759 in and we were just like tossing the tea cups 1:43:24.840 --> 1:43:27.200 around you, like pushing to you and coming back to me. 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:30.839 And it is a battle where there is no physical fighting, 1:43:31.200 --> 1:43:36.439 but the battle is there in how you handle the 1:43:36.479 --> 1:43:40.320 cards and things like that, and what are the innuendos 1:43:40.360 --> 1:43:43.200 of the dialogue? No, so in that you know, it's 1:43:43.280 --> 1:43:44.880 interesting because in this movie. 1:43:44.960 --> 1:43:48.439 I get to be funny. I get to do physical 1:43:48.439 --> 1:43:50.760 comedy in everything everywhere, all at once. 1:43:51.040 --> 1:43:53.960 Like in Crazy Richass, everybody is having a wild time 1:43:54.200 --> 1:43:56.640 and I get to play the most serious, like you know, 1:43:57.200 --> 1:43:58.160 scary part. 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:02.280 Them to the beach party. 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:03.080 Man, come on. 1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:09.280 I would be interested to know, like what kind of 1:44:09.360 --> 1:44:13.280 like films do you consume. You know, you're you're you're 1:44:13.360 --> 1:44:17.400 known for, you know, you know, the martial arts films 1:44:17.439 --> 1:44:21.000 that are you know, the very involved in technical but 1:44:21.080 --> 1:44:24.439 like when Michelle Yo is at home, like what are 1:44:24.479 --> 1:44:26.760 you watching? Like what interests you? 1:44:27.479 --> 1:44:27.799 Haha? 1:44:28.360 --> 1:44:32.040 Actually I watch anything. I'm such a movie boff. I mean, 1:44:32.080 --> 1:44:34.080 I would go to the cinemas by myself and I 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:37.439 constantly do. Maybe one thing that was surprised to you 1:44:37.720 --> 1:44:39.160 is that I love horror films. 1:44:39.280 --> 1:44:39.599 Hmmm. 1:44:41.800 --> 1:44:42.720 I would go and watch a. 1:44:42.720 --> 1:44:45.800 Horror film by myself, wondering. I sit close to the door, 1:44:45.880 --> 1:44:47.840 I sit right at the back when there's no one who. 1:44:49.880 --> 1:44:50.400 I love. 1:44:50.560 --> 1:44:54.320 I love druma, I love mysteries, I love thrillers. I 1:44:54.760 --> 1:44:58.719 just basically love the thrill of being in the cinema. 1:44:58.840 --> 1:45:02.600 I just love that experience because it's a way of escapism, 1:45:03.320 --> 1:45:08.400 you know, the magic of not having to just enjoying 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:14.000 something a story. I love musicals, I love everything, so 1:45:14.200 --> 1:45:18.280 I watch anything now I'm even watching you know, baking shows. 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:19.680 It's like, what the hell happened to me? 1:45:21.920 --> 1:45:24.200 Well, I mean, like you're this is a twenty four film, 1:45:24.240 --> 1:45:26.280 and you've just announ said you love horror films. So 1:45:26.320 --> 1:45:28.320 I feel like in two years we will see you 1:45:28.400 --> 1:45:31.719 in some a twenty four horror film where you're torturing 1:45:31.760 --> 1:45:32.799 your family or something. 1:45:33.960 --> 1:45:36.880 I am, I am a little bit. I don't want 1:45:36.920 --> 1:45:40.280 to dwell in the realm of others, you know what 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:43.080 I mean. I love Mutch them, but I don't want 1:45:43.080 --> 1:45:44.360 to be invited into. 1:45:52.960 --> 1:45:53.160 Well. 1:45:53.160 --> 1:45:55.120 I just I just want to say, your enthusiasm for 1:45:55.160 --> 1:45:57.519 all these different types of movies totally comes across in 1:45:57.560 --> 1:46:00.280 this movie, and like, only I think only somebody who 1:46:00.320 --> 1:46:04.000 has that that fervor and that zeal for movies could 1:46:04.320 --> 1:46:06.599 give a performance like so, I thank you so much 1:46:06.640 --> 1:46:06.880 for that. 1:46:07.360 --> 1:46:09.439 Oh, thank you, thank you. 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:11.719 Yeah, I mean, I just but it's true. 1:46:12.520 --> 1:46:16.400 I think with this movie, we all just literally looked 1:46:16.439 --> 1:46:20.400 at each other, Yes, like with Key with Jamie, with 1:46:20.600 --> 1:46:25.600 Stephanie and James Hong, and we looked and. 1:46:24.880 --> 1:46:26.720 Harry Shan as well. 1:46:26.800 --> 1:46:29.280 Right, we just looked at each other and go like, yes, 1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:34.439 we are unapologetic with the silliness, the wranchiness or whatever 1:46:34.479 --> 1:46:36.960 it is, and let's just have a great time. 1:46:37.040 --> 1:46:38.640 Let's believe in this. 1:46:39.240 --> 1:46:41.519 And we literally held hands to say dance the way, 1:46:41.520 --> 1:46:44.000 go let's jump in, and we all grabbed the Daniels. 1:46:44.000 --> 1:46:48.600 Why the like, ah, that was the only thing you 1:46:48.680 --> 1:46:51.680 could do it. It's like to be fearless, right, and 1:46:51.760 --> 1:46:53.920 in that way we empower each other. 1:46:54.600 --> 1:46:57.040 We just go for it, and we did. 1:46:57.120 --> 1:46:59.240 We went for it absolutely. 1:47:01.479 --> 1:47:04.040 Lastly, I just feel like, you know, you've done so much. 1:47:05.080 --> 1:47:08.000 Are there things? Are there things that like are there 1:47:08.000 --> 1:47:10.280 films that you're known so much for, you know, like 1:47:10.439 --> 1:47:15.120 Crouching Tiger, you know, and like now this film, like 1:47:15.520 --> 1:47:18.160 you know, it's like genre bending films that are you know, 1:47:18.240 --> 1:47:20.680 like introducing people to like a whole new way of 1:47:20.720 --> 1:47:24.800 seeing the cinema. Is there like a film that you've 1:47:24.880 --> 1:47:27.280 done in your career that you feel like, you know, 1:47:27.320 --> 1:47:31.400 sort of like you wish more it gotten more attention, 1:47:31.680 --> 1:47:34.000 or something that you really look fondly back on and 1:47:34.040 --> 1:47:35.720 you're like, I had, you know, I had a really 1:47:35.720 --> 1:47:38.280 great time making this film, right. 1:47:38.600 --> 1:47:39.920 Yes, yes, you know that. 1:47:40.439 --> 1:47:42.960 When we've set out to do a film, obviously you 1:47:43.360 --> 1:47:45.679 want the best for it to happen. And the best 1:47:45.720 --> 1:47:48.400 for a movie is like to get the best box office, right. 1:47:48.800 --> 1:47:50.600 I mean it is show business. I mean that's the 1:47:50.640 --> 1:47:53.639 reality of it. It's like we we do it because 1:47:53.640 --> 1:47:56.280 we want people to be able to embrace it and say, yes, 1:47:56.360 --> 1:47:59.040 this is And sometimes you do movies where maybe it's 1:47:59.080 --> 1:48:01.040 a little bit ahead of time and people are like, 1:48:01.240 --> 1:48:05.360 oh what you know, maybe like the Heroic Trio. I 1:48:05.439 --> 1:48:08.880 had the best time making that. One particular favorite of 1:48:08.920 --> 1:48:11.600 mine is Reign of Assassins that I did with the 1:48:11.720 --> 1:48:17.200 Jungusung and John John Wu and Damu was the director, 1:48:18.200 --> 1:48:23.000 and I felt that there was so much part in 1:48:23.040 --> 1:48:26.640 that film and I really wished more people saw it. 1:48:27.120 --> 1:48:30.720 And another one is The Lady that was directed by the. 1:48:31.680 --> 1:48:35.000 Yeah, that's such a that's such a It's I feel 1:48:35.040 --> 1:48:44.679 like it's such an outliers like a LUs On film, because. 1:48:41.640 --> 1:48:45.200 If you think about it, as artists, you have to explore, 1:48:45.360 --> 1:48:48.519 you have to do things out of your comfort zone. 1:48:48.640 --> 1:48:51.120 He can't just do Taxi Driver the whole time, right, 1:48:51.240 --> 1:48:53.080 I mean for Alment, the whole time. Yes he could, 1:48:53.600 --> 1:48:54.519 and he's great at it. 1:48:54.760 --> 1:48:56.800 But then you know, sometimes you have to do something 1:48:56.840 --> 1:49:00.960 that's so but he did that with love and heart. 1:49:01.160 --> 1:49:03.639 There was a story that he really really wanted to tell, 1:49:03.680 --> 1:49:05.960 and so did I and that's how we came together 1:49:06.040 --> 1:49:08.960 to do The Lady, which was about the Burmese desident 1:49:09.280 --> 1:49:10.479 dos Bansan Succi. 1:49:11.200 --> 1:49:11.559 Mhm. 1:49:12.479 --> 1:49:12.879 Yeah. 1:49:13.080 --> 1:49:14.479 Fabulous performance by the way. 1:49:14.600 --> 1:49:17.880 Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a gorgeous film. I mean, 1:49:17.960 --> 1:49:20.240 and we can say that about so many things you've done. 1:49:20.320 --> 1:49:22.519 I mean, I just want to reiterate that, like, this 1:49:22.640 --> 1:49:28.599 movie is mind blowing. I am definitely going to have 1:49:28.640 --> 1:49:31.320 to see it again. Uh, and I you know, I've 1:49:31.360 --> 1:49:35.680 just been everyone. It's it's been a while since a 1:49:35.760 --> 1:49:39.240 film has like been released that I feel like I 1:49:39.280 --> 1:49:43.640 am constantly getting text from friends being like do you 1:49:43.640 --> 1:49:45.880 want to go see this movie? Or have you seen 1:49:45.880 --> 1:49:48.280 this movie? Or they're like if you haven't seen it, 1:49:48.360 --> 1:49:49.240 I'll see it again. 1:49:50.400 --> 1:49:50.639 Wow. 1:49:50.800 --> 1:49:54.320 It's I think it's just a really really beautiful. 1:49:53.840 --> 1:49:57.479 Film that is amazing, because that is what we hope 1:49:57.520 --> 1:49:57.840 we see. 1:49:57.880 --> 1:50:02.000 You know, what we need now is more convers between people, 1:50:02.240 --> 1:50:07.320 you know, like good wonderful shared ideas and you know, like, 1:50:07.840 --> 1:50:09.000 how did you see that part? 1:50:09.080 --> 1:50:09.920 Did you realize this? 1:50:10.080 --> 1:50:12.479 And you know, and not to be left out, what 1:50:12.520 --> 1:50:14.120 do you mean you didn't see you better go watch 1:50:14.120 --> 1:50:15.120 it before you can join. 1:50:17.520 --> 1:50:20.679 And that's so great and that's what I love about 1:50:20.760 --> 1:50:20.960 you know. 1:50:21.520 --> 1:50:24.840 Yes, there's so many different reasons, the Internet, the word 1:50:24.880 --> 1:50:27.920 of mouth, and it's so important because we have real 1:50:28.000 --> 1:50:32.160 conversations with each other, with family, with friends, and sometimes 1:50:32.160 --> 1:50:35.960 even with strangers because we are having a shared experience. 1:50:36.000 --> 1:50:38.800 So this is that's fantastic. I'm so glad to hear it. 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:43.479 Yeah, well, thank you so much being here with us. 1:50:43.520 --> 1:50:45.599 I mean, there's truly an honor to talk to you today. 1:50:46.000 --> 1:50:47.400 Nice talking to you guys. 1:50:47.760 --> 1:50:49.839 Yes, thank you, thank you. 1:51:01.360 --> 1:51:05.240 That's it for this special bonus episode of X ray Vision. 1:51:05.400 --> 1:51:07.640 Catch the next episode on Wednesday, March fifteenth for the 1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:10.240 last of US finale. 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