1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: Warning, this podcast contains spoilers for Everything Everywhere All at Once. Hello, 2 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Brinday Night, and 3 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: welcome to x ray Vision, the Crooked Media podcast where 4 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: pop culture. And welcome to a special bonus episode. We're 6 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: having an epic crossover with our good friends and Keep 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: It to celebrate the Oscar run the wonderful film Everything 8 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: Everywhere All at Once, sweeping category after category. We're gonna 9 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: be discussing the film's awards. We'd be discussing our feelings 10 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: about the film. We're gonna be re airing our interview 11 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: with the directing team, the Daniels that we ran in 12 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: a previous episode of X ray Vision, and then you're 13 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: gonna hear our good friends from Keep It, Ira Madison 14 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: and Louis Fortell interview the legend Herself Academy Award win 15 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: a Michelle Yo, one of the greatest living human beings 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: of all time currently walking the earth. 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: And if you want to jump around, check the show 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: notices for times times you're probably gonna need him, and 19 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: go and watch the movie. 20 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: Please watch the movie, Okay, everything, Everywhere, all at once, 21 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: swept the Oscars over the weekend. They won seven Oscars, 22 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,919 Speaker 1: including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actress from Michelle Yo. 23 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: Best Original Screenplay. 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: Best Actor in a Supporting Role for The Wonderful k kwon. 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Kaies in an opposeet. 26 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: Best Actress in a Supporting Role. I will sport, I will, 27 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: I will talk about my feelings. Best at Film Editing 28 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: for the Very Handsome Paul Rodgers my favorite. I was like, 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: this is a man, really very dashing, Paul Roger. 30 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: This is somebody I know. 31 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is how I would give an Oscar speech. 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: I would be awkward, hopefully look that good, and just 33 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: kind of be like, well, I think I won this. 34 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: This is co producer Chris also also appreciate I would 35 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: he want to us. It's just like, well, well, Paul, hello, Okay. 36 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is out of They won seven 37 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: out of eleven nominations. They won all the majors. This 38 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: is the third time ever in Oscar history that one 39 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: film has won three acting awards. One of the other 40 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 2: ones was Network. I'm not actually sure what the first 41 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: film was bad research on my part, but it is 42 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: the third time ever that that happened, and I think 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: that is very cool. I mean, there's so many first here, 44 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: but that's far less important than the fact that the 45 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: movie is like fucking amazing. I will never forget when 46 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: we spoke to the Daniels as well. Hear later on 47 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: this episode. We were talking to them and we were 48 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: just such huge fans of this movie. This is everything 49 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: we love. It's multiverse, it's comic book action, it's completely original, 50 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: has Michelle fucking yeah style action gay yeah. 51 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: It's got butt plug jokes, it's a it's a it's 52 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: a sincere and heartfelt story about an immigrant family. 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: It's about generational trauma, it's about as It's got James Hong, 54 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: the living legend, legend favorite actors and performers and people 55 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: of all time. And we were just such huge fans 56 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: and at the time it was starting to make a 57 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: little bit of money at the box office. It was 58 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: doing well. It was going to go out of limited 59 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: release and into wide release, I believe, and the Daniels 60 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: were like so confused. They were just like, we thought, 61 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: we made another weird movie like Swiss Army Man that 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: no one would like. Yeah, And we were like, well, 63 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: people like it and like, what if it becomes kind 64 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: of the biggest movie in the world. And they were like, 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: that would be terrible. I was like, that would be 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: really Like this is already scary. So I'm feeling for them. 67 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: I think that this was This has been such an 68 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: incredible Awards season to follow them. This story has been brilliant. 69 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: To see Key get this comeback story, to see Michelle 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: get her flowers and also as well. I feel like 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: their speeches were. 72 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: So Goody brought me to tear. 73 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was crying from the moment he wepne. 74 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: I was crying, and it really was like there were 75 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: only really intervals because Michelle got me. I loved Daniel 76 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: Kuan's speech where he was talking about this kind of 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 2: unbelievable journey and how crazy it was to win an Oscar, 78 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: but then he immediately was like to my son, like 79 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: you will never have to live up to this. This 80 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: is not normal, Like he's breaking down generational trauma in 81 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: the Oscar speech about the movie, that's breaking down generational trauma, 82 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: Like it was that's that came at this. I think 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: it's maybe a bit over the top now, but Parasite 84 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: was always my best Oscar experience where I watched the 85 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 2: Oscars and I felt like I couldn't believe that this 86 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: movie I loved was winning. When it won Best International 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: Picture and Best Picture was blowing my mind. This gave 88 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: me that same elation. There was so much emotion here, 89 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: so much It was so moving. It was so great 90 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: to see how so many people came together to celebrate 91 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: this weird, original movie that also brought back these kind 92 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: of legends and put them in the spotlight. 93 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: Key's speech about you know, being a being a refugee 94 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: and an immigrant and finding this American dream was amazing. 95 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: He thanked Jeff Cohen chunk from the Goonies, who it 96 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: turns out is a successful entertainment lawyer and helped him 97 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: seal this deal, you know, thanking his mom. I will say, 98 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: he is such a better human being than me in 99 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: the sense that, you know, he'd famously been out of 100 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: the business acting wise for twenty years and had worked 101 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: behind the camera just casually like working with one CALLI, 102 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: but had to because he had to be wrong with 103 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: the roles dried up and you know when he's like 104 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: calling out Steven Spielberg, who gave him his you know, 105 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: they kept cutting to Steve and who, of course, you know, 106 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: famously gave him his break in Temple Indiana Jones and 107 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Temple of Doom. If it was me, I would have 108 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: been petty and been like, there's Stevensbieller who gave him 109 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: my break and then of course never hired me for 110 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: any of the indie sequels. You know it. It was like, 111 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: I can't. I it was wonderful to see how generous 112 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: and positive he was, because I would have believe here, here, 113 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: I am in this room of people who here's the 114 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: reason why I didn't work for twenty years, because none 115 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: of them hired me, and they're all like, so, it 116 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: was really amazing, and that's incredibly generous. Generous is the right, 117 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: wonderfully generous. And then you know what a triumph for 118 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: Michelle Yo, who is truly one of the greatest who 119 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: has ever done it. I have a legend in a 120 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: million different ways, a pioneer in Hong Kong cinema, one 121 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:58,239 Speaker 1: of our great actresses. Physicality, the ability to convey emotion, 122 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: just everything. 123 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: She also like if you think about how there's a 124 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: whole generation of people who just knew her from her 125 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: drama work in crazy rich Asians. Like, there's a generation 126 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: of kids. Even my sister I love this stuff. She 127 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: hasn't known Michelle Yo from martial arts. She knows her 128 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: from crazy rich Asians. 129 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: You know. 130 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: I saw a great interview with sam O Huang who 131 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: kind of discovered in Inverted Commas Michelle and was like 132 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: her first director. He's a martial arts legend, a very 133 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: dangerous man to work with, boy, but like absolutely just 134 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: like a genius. He gave a great quote where he 135 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: basically just said everything Michelle has, she did it herself. 136 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: He's like, there's no one else, It's just her. She 137 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: was She's never had any form of martial arts training. 138 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: Believe she is just she was a ballerina who got 139 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: an injury who then went into acting, and they were like, 140 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: let's see if we can make her an action stuff. 141 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: Watch some of those all Hong Kong movies right now. 142 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: The Criterion Collection has a Michelle Watch that collection and 143 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: you can get a two week free trial. I'm not 144 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: even being paid, Criterion Collection, give me something free. They 145 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: have all yes, Madam Heroic Trio, like all these great 146 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: movies that you can enjoy and you can see why 147 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: she is such a legend. I did a post an 148 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: emotion post, I love Michelle Yo, and I was really 149 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: happy to see other people who felt the same way. 150 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: This is someone who's a trailblazer, who's a legend, who 151 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: has never really gotten her flowers from from Hollywood, from 152 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: the people, even though you know she's the first bond 153 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: girl who really wasn't just a y sexual interest like 154 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: she was the first badass. You know, it's I it's 155 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: one of those things where you're like the Oscars, It 156 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: doesn't you don't have to get the movie would have 157 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: been amazing without the Oscars. This doesn't add to whether 158 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: or not the movie was good, but it is nice 159 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: to see that recognition, especially for someone like Key on 160 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 2: that journey, who's such a generous, kind person who's now 161 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: going to have this incredible comeback career, And for Michelle 162 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: who should have been getting these How did she not 163 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: get nominated for Crashing Tiger, Hit and Dragon, a movie 164 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: that got like so many nominations That just blows my mind. 165 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: On the Jamie Lee Curtis, Yes, I I think there 166 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of love out there for Angela Basketball. 167 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: By the way, it should have won for any number 168 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: of yeah's good in everything twenty years plus ago. Absolutely 169 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: should have should have won for that. I I'm fine 170 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: with Jamie Lee winning. I understand that for one, she 171 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: beat out Stephanie Zeo's who is like I am sensitive 172 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: to she should have won. I will say Jamie Lee 173 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: for the This happens in oscars all the time, where 174 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: somebody wins for the history of the things that they've done. 175 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: And I think her resume is really amazing. You know, 176 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: Halloween remade the movie industry, redefine what a slasher could be. 177 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: She's an important part of that lineage. And I also 178 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: think I haven't read anything about this, but it seems 179 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: to me. It seems reasonable to me to assume that 180 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: Jamie Lee signing on is probably a big reason why 181 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: this movie got yeah. 182 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: And I think that that transitioned. I read all of 183 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: those ballots, the anonymous ballots, and a lot of them 184 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: are absolutely horrific. You should read the ewpiece to be 185 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: just disgusted by the fucked up shit people are saying 186 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: about Viola Davis, like the most awful stuff about the 187 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: woman King and White ag Get all, my, they're good 188 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: because then you remember who's behind these awards. But something 189 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: I did see coming up again and again was this 190 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: idea that it wasn't just that Jamie was champion of 191 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: the film, but she never campaigned for herself during the Oscars. 192 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: She only campaigned for everyone else in the movie in 193 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: the collection of actors and directors and stuff, so I 194 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: can totally understand how she ended up there. I would 195 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: love to see Angela get her Oscar. I think it's time. 196 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 2: I think Ramonda's a great role. I also think that 197 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: arguably Stephanie is the lead. 198 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: In everything ever else. 199 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: I think it's kind of wild that she didn't win. 200 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: But you know what, I'm also like a super Slasher fan, 201 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: so I'm here for it all. I want to see 202 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: Angela get that recognition because she is also another legend, 203 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: like another basically like another trailblazer who's never really been 204 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 2: recognized so should have been. I would have loved to 205 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: see that happen. But I love that Jamie got to 206 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: win for this role where she's comedic and she is herself, 207 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: and she is weird and she's queer and there's all 208 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: these different kind of layers to it. That to me 209 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: was the biggest upset. So yeah, Stephanie had time will 210 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: come Angela had times should have been come in, but 211 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure that we will see it, and Angela's work 212 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: still stands and it is still a queen and a 213 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: win nine our books. 214 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: Anyway, up next, let's revisit our discussion of everything Everywhere, 215 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: All at Once, and our interview with the Daniels when 216 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: we saw the film for the first time last year. 217 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: All Right, we're stepping out of the air lock and 218 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: into the mind bending world of an IRS building. Just 219 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: dis because the eight twenty more Sibi action comedy masterpiece 220 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: that is everything everywhere, all at once. It's opening wide 221 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: today this Friday, April eighth, And if you like the 222 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: movies and you want to have a good time at 223 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: the movies, that is action packed and really heartfelt and 224 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: like uplifting too, like not violent in a way that's like, oh, 225 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: this is like really entertaining, but I feel bad, like 226 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: watching fifty A head shots in a row. You will 227 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: not feel that way about. This movie has an incredible cast. 228 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: Michelle the Absolute Legend, Key Hou Kwon as Wayman Wang 229 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: back in the game again in front of the camera, 230 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: Stephanie Sue as Joy, James Hong the Legend, James Hong 231 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: Jamie Curtis and more really fun movie. We'll keep it well, 232 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: this is like a spoiler conversation. 233 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 2: It's spoilery, but we're not gonna go like full recap. Yeah, 234 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna kind of talk about it. 235 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: So I just loved. I love this movie. You know, 236 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: for everyone complaining that like there are this too many 237 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: comic when movies everything is a Marvel movie or DC 238 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: tie in or something like that, I guess, you know, 239 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: people would still criticize this movie for you know, depending 240 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: heavily on the multiverse for its plot momentum. That said, 241 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: it is just like so original in the way it 242 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: deals with it and the imagery it uses. It is 243 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: so funny. And then like to have you know, an 244 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: all Asian cast as your you know, as you were 245 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: kind of like the crux of the movie and their 246 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: feelings about each other, their kind of disappointments with each other, 247 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: their miscommunications. It's three generations of a family. It was 248 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: just like felt really good to see. And then the 249 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: crowd that I saw with I saw it here in 250 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: La it was clear that somebody, somebody worked on the 251 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: movie in my theater because like people started cheering when 252 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: the credits rolled like randomly at a random place. So like, 253 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: I love that. It was really really really great energy. 254 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: What did you think of the movie? 255 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I absolutely loved it. Like I went 256 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: to go and see it with a big group of 257 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: friends after we went to this amazing black kind of 258 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: flea market called Black Market Flee. So it was just 259 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: like a very good day and that I saw it 260 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: in La too, and it was in a huge cinema. 261 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: We couldn't go to the Imax, but we saw it 262 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: and the biggest scream we could see it that wasn't Imax, 263 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 2: and people were reacting like it was a Marvel movie 264 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: like it was. I couldn't have seen it with the 265 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: bad like things happening, and people were like, yeah, just 266 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: like screaming, and I was just like, this is so 267 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: incredible because on the surface, if you describe what this 268 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: movie is in a sentence, it's like Michelle Yoh is 269 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: a kind of late middle aged woman who runs a 270 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: laundromat and she's doing her taxes and Jamie Lee Curtis 271 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: is her irs lady and she's evil and it's kind 272 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: of this like dreary middle age where she's thinking like 273 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: what could I have done in my life, and she's 274 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: pulled into this crazy multiversal kind of war where she 275 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: has to use every version of herself to gain the 276 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: skills she needs to beat this mysterious bad guy Jobu Tabaki. 277 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: And it sounds so outrageous, but like I watched that 278 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: movie and it felt like it was the most accessible 279 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: thing in the world. I think it's that balance, Like 280 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: you've talked about this idea of this intergenerational Asian storytelling. 281 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: This cast just full of absolute legends and it it 282 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: is this bonkers movie where there's fifty versions of Michelle Yo, which, 283 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: by the way, who didn't want that? That's like the 284 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: dream a way. But it's also like this really intimate, 285 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: niche story about like intergenerational misunderstandings and cycles of like 286 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 2: familial emotional trauma. And KiHa Kwan is just like so incredible. 287 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like I kept thinking that it's like actually 288 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: criminal that this actor could not find work for as 289 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: long as he could not find work in front of 290 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: the camera. He is so engaging. He's just like has 291 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: a lightness and a charm to him that is all 292 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: the more impressive for the fact that he does some 293 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: real like impressive and authentic, like martial arts stuff work 294 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: that is like and he's been high, high level stuff. 295 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: But this is like That's the other thing about this movie, 296 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: which is why I think so far the the screenings 297 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: and the limited release have been really successful, and I 298 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: hope the wide releases too, because I feel like this 299 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: people say this stuff, but this is literally a movie 300 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: that has something for everyone. 301 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 302 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, feeling depressed, nihilistic, wishing the world would end. It's 303 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: for you feeling like you wish everyone was kinder to 304 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: each other. Also for you feeling like you just want 305 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: to see loads ofical action sequences that are completely outrageous 306 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: and some of the best big screen Hollywood action that 307 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: we've seen in years. Also for you want to see 308 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: it intergenerational family story. Also for you need more queer 309 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: people on your screen. Also for you like it's got everything. 310 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean those action sequences are just The 311 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: choreography is unreal. It's like Hong Kong cinema. It makes 312 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: you feel like you're watching, you know, a Shaw Brothers 313 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: movie late night on the TV, but you're getting to 314 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: see it beautifully big screen in this really unbelievable sci 315 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: fi context. 316 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: It does something that really hits me on an emotional level, 317 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: which is like and I think the best stories do that, 318 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: which is take some wild you know, sci fi slash 319 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: fantasy asque concept a multiverse, right, a multiple realities existing 320 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: side by side, but like links it to something that 321 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: is like really human, which is like regret about the 322 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 1: way your life turned out. You know who doesn't who 323 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: hasn't at a certain point in time, been like, man, 324 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: if I had done this, if I had done that, 325 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: I wanted all these things for myself when I was younger, 326 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: earlier on, but then I made a bunch of decisions 327 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: if that were maybe foolhardy or not particularly thought out, 328 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: or I was thinking emotionally with my heart when I 329 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: should have been thinking with my brain. And now here 330 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: I am in middle age, and I'm doing a thing 331 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: that I don't want to do that it doesn't fulfill me, 332 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: like emotionally, and I am in a relationship that maybe 333 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: is not the most fulfilling, and I don't have a 334 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: great relationship with my kids, and maybe I wish I 335 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: had done a bunch of things different. And this movie 336 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: just on top of or underneath rather being like this 337 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of rollicking sci fi multiversal adventure. It's really a 338 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: story about like how people can feel boxed in by 339 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: the life that they have led, and how, you know, 340 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: a core experience, existential experience of just being a person 341 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: is wondering, man, what if I had done things differently? Yeah, 342 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: And this movie lets the characters access all these different 343 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: lives that they could have led, you know, like when 344 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: when Evelyn manages to access the dimension in which she 345 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: is a movie star, an international which her dream, right, 346 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: she comes to this place where she's like, man, I 347 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: guess I shouldn't have run away with with my husband Wyman, 348 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: who I loved at one point in time, but like 349 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: maybe that wasn't for the best. Maybe I should have 350 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: chased my dream and I could have I could have 351 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: been an international movie star. Like that, I want to 352 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: stay there. Maybe I want to stay there. And that 353 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: just felt like universal to me. Yeah, that's a universal dream, 354 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: a universal fantasy that people have. 355 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: There's something like incredibly honest and vulnerable about it too, 356 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: where it's like admitting that there's maybe something you want 357 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 2: that's more and then kind of the realizations of what 358 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: that really means, like the bit that really like I 359 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: just I mean, there's so many good bits in that world, 360 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: like we were talking about this, but like Wymand in 361 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: that world when she accidentally bumps into him, it's very 362 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 2: much his one car why in the mood for love 363 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: kind of moment, and k is so brilliant and you 364 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: just think, like why isn't aren't these roles he's been 365 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: getting anyway? But in that world the first thing Everlyn 366 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 2: asks is you know, where's Joy Where's my daughter? But 367 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: she doesn't exist in that world. And it's those little 368 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: moments where it's just like ah, like these are the things, 369 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: the pieces that come together, the butterfly effect, you know, 370 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: chaos theory, it's the little things that could change everything. 371 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 2: And something else I love in the terms of that 372 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: in this movie I love in every movie. It's one 373 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: of my favorite things in any movie from any era, 374 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: is like the way that they show technology and they 375 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 2: have so much fun with this kind of retro futuristic technology. 376 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: I love that it's so great and the visuals are fun. 377 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: And also like I love the way that they literally 378 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: do the chaos theory butfly effect thing, where like you'll 379 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: see the one decision and then you get to see 380 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: this kind of mapped out how everything changed, and I'm 381 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: just like what it's like. It's a really cool visual, 382 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 2: but it's really. 383 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: Deep, it's really scary. On the one hand, that kind 384 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: of like retro future hardware, like the different kind of 385 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: like Verse jumping hardware that Wayman and the Alpha Verse 386 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: wear is to like in his crew where to keep 387 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: track of what's going on. On the one hand, like 388 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: I remember thinking it's great design, but also like it 389 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: must have been great because like this is cheaper than 390 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: like CG or making it Yeah cool, But the other 391 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: thing I was thinking, did you ever watch The Adventures 392 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: of Bukaroo Bonzai. Of course it felt like that. It 393 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: felt like a super weird like retro future teak on 394 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: a sci fi movie. That felt like, alongside all the 395 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: different references, the Jackie Chan references, the Shaw Brothers references, 396 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: the very wankar why references they're in this movie, it 397 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: also felt like it was pulling on that what I 398 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: think is actually like a super weird not that good 399 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: kind of bad side from the eighties, but that is 400 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: so unique in the way it looks, and that's what 401 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: it reminded me of the buckeru bons There's like so. 402 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: Many unbelievable kind of like draw things here. Like there's 403 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: this old South Korean movie from like two thousand and 404 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: three called Save the Green Planet, and there's like something 405 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: to that of the way his head looks, and there's 406 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: like definitely those old eighties sci fi kind of the 407 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: almost like the serialized like Flash Gordon costumes that you 408 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: just pull on and you have to build, you know, 409 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: the Rob Liefeld many pockets, Like there's a lot of 410 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: pockets in those universes, and like there's something so tangible. 411 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: I am a big proponent. I'm always the person who's like, 412 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: I wish this was practical, you know, on the By 413 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: Southwest episode, I was like, if I could change one 414 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: thing about the MCU, I'm like, fuck it, I'll just 415 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: make it all practical. I'd love to see what it 416 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: would look like. But they do. They utilize practical and 417 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: the effects in this movie in a way that feels 418 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: very tangible and touchable and stylized, but also really slick, 419 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 2: like it doesn't feel that. There's something very special about 420 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: that balance in this movie that I think also comes 421 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: from the nature of doing like so many in camera 422 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: stunts and so many unbelievable kind of you have to 423 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 2: have that balance of like what can we how can 424 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: we use THEFX here to elevate what we're doing while 425 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 2: still making it feel real and being able to feel 426 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: those punches. And I mean the Wayman fight scene that 427 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: where he utilizes his fanny pack. 428 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: That's going it absolutely is going to be. You know, 429 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: I always rate I always rate a movie in action 430 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: movie in part by am I gonna rewatch this scene 431 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: at one am on YouTube randomly because it's like a 432 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: random Wednesday night and I want to take a break 433 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: from work And the answer is one hundred percent. Yes, 434 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch that. I'm gonna watch that Fannybac scene. 435 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch the Evelyn fight scene with Deirdre. I'm 436 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: gonna There's gonna be a bunch of stuff that I 437 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: watch in this and I again I can't stress enough 438 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: like how frenetic and energetic the action scenes are. The 439 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: the Daniels came up through music video and like there's 440 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: a level of a d D nois mm hmm. 441 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: It feels very much like it's looking into IDHD brain. 442 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Like their most famous music video is 443 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: the DJ Snake Little John Classic turned down for what 444 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: so the action scenes are in a lot of ways, 445 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: like very reminiscent of that. It's like, you know, like uh, 446 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: people being thrown through floors and like, uh, so much 447 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: action and comedy on the screen at the same time, 448 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: an incredible removes just like really really really funny and 449 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: original film in that way. 450 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think just shout out. I believe they're 451 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: called Marshall Club. There are a group of YouTubers who 452 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 2: create like martial arts kind of stump pieces in their 453 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: own houses, and that's who they Daniels found and brought 454 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: on to kind of collaborate with them. Just unbelievable stuff. 455 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 2: When you watch it, you sort of you can't really 456 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 2: believe it. It definitely is that rewatchable factor. Like afterwards, 457 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: I was like, yes, this is like it's like the 458 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 2: scene in the Raid where they get halfway up the 459 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: building and Eco uways starts doing still at and uses 460 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: his knife and takes out like ten people in the corridor. 461 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: It's the corridor scene from Old Boy. It's the John 462 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: Wick the first time that he shows his gun fu 463 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: in the house when he's being invaded. The scenes where 464 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: you're just like, oh, have you seen this and you 465 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: don't necessarily have to show the whole movie, but this 466 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: film is like absolutely full of them. But also it's 467 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: like this really sweet. I mean, there's a whole segment 468 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: of this movie that is just two rocks, not gonna 469 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 2: it is, but it is the most powerful part. 470 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: Part for me. Yeah, it is like really really heartfelt. 471 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: And to your point with the rock scene, there are 472 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: for all the people who are like, oh, man, like 473 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: where's I'm worried about the state of movies today with 474 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: economics being so kind of warped by the success of 475 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: the Marvel movies, here is a movie that does everything 476 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: you want like a summer blockbuster to do, but also 477 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: has like that indie movie heart and audacious, super weird 478 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: choices that are like. 479 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: There is so much weird stuff like the two the rock. 480 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: Scene where you're just like, man, I can't believe that worked, 481 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: and it really works. It lands so hard. 482 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think as well, like we've talked a 483 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: lot about the icons, but like nobody was writing a 484 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 2: script like this for Michelle Yo. You know, she said 485 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: this is the script where she read it, and she 486 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 2: was like, this is the movie that can see all 487 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 2: the different things I can be, I can be funny, 488 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: I can be serious, I can be badass, I can 489 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 2: be sad, I can you know, and we know, like 490 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: we've said, Key, he hadn't been in a major Hollywood 491 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: movie for like twenty years. This was his first audition, 492 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: I think that Daniel said for for twenty years. And 493 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 2: then obviously James Hong, who's like an icon and has 494 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: over six hundred credits and is just absolutely one of 495 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 2: my favorite actors of all time. But he gets to 496 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: have this really dynamic, complex, hilarious, action packed character arc 497 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: again that nobody is really writing for him, like probably 498 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 2: his biggest role in a movie like this since like 499 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 2: Big Trouble in Little China, where you're getting this really 500 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: layered like character piece and it's just that's like miraculous 501 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: to see. And that's not even shouting out like Jamie 502 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: Lee Curtis, who just plays everything so straight, like you 503 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: can't get the things she does in this movie and 504 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: the sincerity with which she does them, like in my 505 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: dream dreams, like this movie sweeps every Oscar and every 506 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 2: awards he's in next year, and Michelle Yo is a hundred. 507 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: Just one of our greatest living Yeah, she should be getting. 508 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 2: A Best Actress Oscar and Jamie Lee Curtis. I'm like 509 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 2: put her up for the best supporting baby because she 510 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: Stephanie Sue as well. But like, this cost is just unreal. 511 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, what was your Michelle Yo entry point? 512 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: What was your original? What was your original drug? Your 513 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: original into the Michelle Yo version, and mine is like 514 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: super it's the obvious one super cop please story three 515 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: super Cop in which she plays like a police detective 516 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: who then has to link up with Jackie Chan's character 517 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: to take down drug dealers in Malaysia, and it contains 518 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: some of the craziest stunts. Michelle Yo jumps a dirt 519 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: bike onto a moving train in this movie, like just 520 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: fucking insane, and then uh, you know, later on I 521 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: would watch all the rest, you know. Yeah, yes, Madam. 522 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, mine is definitely yes, madam. 523 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: Yes, absolute classic Hong Kong movie. Well, it's so good, 524 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: sin Rock iconic. 525 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: It's like it's so bonkers to think like Michelle Actually 526 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 2: the really incredible interview recently with my friend Gretchen Smail 527 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: at Bustle, which is just so wonderful and adds a 528 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: lot of really complex layers to the movie, where she 529 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: talks about how she retired from acting in Hong Kong 530 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: cinema at the age of twenty eight with plans to 531 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: start a family, so she'd already done all of that 532 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: by the time she was twenty eight, she'd had a 533 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 2: whole career. Yes Madam, you know super Cop, like these 534 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: unbelievable iconic movies. Just just put Yes Madam into YouTube. 535 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: Watched some of the scenes with Cynthia Rothrock and Michelle Yo. 536 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: I mean, as a kid who grew up watching like 537 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: Kung Fu movies, that movie was like a revelation. And 538 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: then she came back and she has this second wave 539 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: of like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. 540 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know these I mean, Yes Madam was like 541 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, That's what I'm saying. 542 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: Just unbelievable stuff. And it's just she's been so iconic 543 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 2: on so many levels, and I think for a lot 544 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: of us, she has been like a staple of all 545 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: kinds of cinema, whether it was like Hong Kong cinema, 546 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: whether it was the whether it was Wushoe actually coming 547 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: to Hollywood for the first time with Crouching Tiger. You know, 548 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 2: it's astonishing the impact she's had and I feel like 549 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: this is a celebration of that, but also probably just 550 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: marks like the third wave of her career, while she'll 551 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: just become even more powerful. 552 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk with the creators of this movie. 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How did this come together? How 615 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: did this film come together? And I just like, I 616 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: kept thinking, how what does the script look like? Because 617 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: this is so like the level of like absurdist randomness 618 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: action is so off the charts that I was like, man, 619 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: how do you even write this down? 620 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 5: Yeah? 621 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 6: Thank you, Yeah, we By the way, thank you for 622 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 6: having us. Very excited to talk about the movie. Well, 623 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 6: I'll start there. The random acts to use as an 624 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 6: engine for traveling to other universes. That's that is kind 625 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 6: of one of the initial ideas we we both grew 626 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 6: up on Douglas Adams and Hetchiger's Guide and Vonnegut and 627 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 6: just that sort of absurdist sci fi that that's great, 628 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 6: but there's such a irreverent quality to their sci fi 629 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 6: that is still very much grounded in science, and like 630 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 6: there's still something like a like a kernel of truth 631 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 6: in it all. And you know, that idea came. The 632 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 6: idea of using improbable actions to build up a momentum, 633 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 6: a probabilistic momentum, and just to slingshot yourself into other 634 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 6: universes kind of was like a really silly initial idea 635 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 6: that I pitched to Shiner and I was like, is 636 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 6: there something here? Could we do something kind of like 637 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 6: like like Douglas Adams meets the Matrix? 638 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 7: And I was like, no, No, I said, I think 639 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 7: I thought it sounded like an exciting short film like 640 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 7: which we have a long list of kind of like 641 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 7: gags you know that interest us, And so we would 642 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 7: brainstorm it, but it didn't kind of take shape until 643 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 7: we'd sat with it for a while and started kind 644 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 7: of thinking about the multiverse and how the multiverse makes 645 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 7: us feel, and why would we make a whole movie 646 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 7: about you know that sci fi premise. I really love 647 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 7: to lean into the premise and not just brush over 648 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 7: it like some like that's a pet peeve of mind. 649 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 7: I guess sometimes. 650 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 6: It's like a convenient device for the story, but don't 651 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 6: actually get to really sit in the philosophical and existential 652 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 6: consequences of the premise. 653 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 8: Yeah. So, uh, it was. 654 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 7: It wasn't until we decided that we were going to 655 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 7: go to too many universes until it was existentially terrifying, 656 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 7: and then it was going to be a Chinese American family, 657 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 7: and that the kind of immigrant experience and also just 658 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 7: generational divide would become like the kind of relatable companion 659 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 7: that we'd be using the multiverse to play with. That 660 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 7: then we were like, oh, there's enough for a feature 661 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:30,959 Speaker 7: film here, you. 662 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 5: Know, it is enough for a free feature film. Yeah. 663 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, we're like, and all little take is four years 664 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 7: of Miracles and then we'll put it out in theaters. 665 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 7: And somehow that happened. 666 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so incredible. I mean, the movie was just 667 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 2: so wonderful. It was like immediately in my favorite movies 668 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 2: of all time. It's just like I can't wait to 669 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 2: go and see again. I'm just everything that I love. 670 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: So it's so wonderful. But you said something there that 671 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: I just think is so interesting and I'd love to 672 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 2: dig into a bit more. What is it about the 673 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 2: multiverse that spoke to you? What is it about exploring 674 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 2: that and that being the idea that was worth exploring because, 675 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 2: like you said, a lot of times, it's a buzzword, 676 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 2: it's a conventional narrative device. But what was it about 677 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: the multiverse and the idea of multiple different universes kind 678 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 2: of existing alongside each other that made this story click? 679 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 680 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 6: One of the fascinating things about the multiverse or just 681 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 6: the idea of infinity is that it's very interdisciplinary. You know, 682 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 6: obviously there's like quantum mechanics and quantum fixils. It's has 683 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 6: its version of it which you know, talks about you know, 684 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,959 Speaker 6: superpositions and and you know whether or not the wave 685 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 6: function collapses, and you know, parallel universes. That's kind of 686 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 6: I think that's what most people think of when they. 687 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 7: Or another way of putting it that I like to 688 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 7: put it is like like there are a lot of 689 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 7: scientists who believe there might actually be an infinite number 690 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 7: of universes. That's a pretty scary thing, you know, physics wise. 691 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 6: And then and then and then, like you know, when 692 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 6: we were doing research for this movie, we found that 693 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 6: one of the first known instant of the word multiverse 694 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 6: being used in the English language actually had nothing to 695 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 6: do with science. It was actually a theologist who was 696 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 6: basically lamenting the fact that how. 697 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 5: Confusing everything was. 698 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 6: He was like, from a moral perspective, I know that 699 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 6: God is the one and only moral center of the universe. 700 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 5: Right, there's a universe. 701 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 6: But when I look around me and I see you know, 702 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 6: the Heathens and whatever, it's like, there's a moral multiverse. 703 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 6: The the secular world doesn't necessarily have one clean narrative. 704 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 6: And so he used the word multiverse from a moral standpoint, 705 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh, that's fascinating, you know. And then 706 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 6: linguistics has its own Linguistics has modal realism, which is 707 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 6: kind of taking the idea of like when you are 708 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 6: swapping out any word in the sentence, how it drastically 709 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 6: changes the reality of that sentence, and basically like positives, 710 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 6: like what happens if each one of those sentences is 711 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 6: its own reality that has its own in tech or whatever. 712 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 5: And so we're kind of looking at like, I mean, 713 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 5: there's so many. 714 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 6: Different angles into this, this this concept that no one 715 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 6: else is tackling, you know, like For the most part, 716 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 6: the multiverse is is kind of used as a way to. 717 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 5: Combine IP an interesting way. 718 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 7: You know, Yeah, it's a cultural fracking. 719 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 5: We call it. 720 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 7: You're digging in the past of culture. We didn't coin that. 721 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 7: We found it online and you're like, oh, we like that. 722 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 6: Word cultural fracking, and there's nothing wrong with that. Like 723 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 6: I think, yeah, I love no, I love Super Smash Brothers. 724 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 6: Super Smash Brothers is like incredible. I remember being like, 725 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 6: I can have Pikachu and d K at the same time. 726 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 5: How incredible. 727 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 6: But we wanted to dig into just like DK because 728 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 6: you're exactly the Pikachu is my main Pikachu with the 729 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 6: with the wizard hat. 730 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 5: That's my name, Curve. 731 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 6: But so for our movie, we're like, oh, the multiverse 732 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 6: becomes a metaphor for the Internet and what it feels 733 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 6: like to be alive with the Internet. It also becomes 734 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 6: a metaphor for the way that we all have these 735 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 6: like bubbles and we all kind of exist in our 736 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 6: own versions of our own movies. 737 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 5: You know, we believe we're the main character of our 738 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 5: own movie. 739 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 6: And what happens when those two movies collide and they 740 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 6: don't mesh, and so the whole film is characters who 741 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 6: are living in their own stories, not realizing that they're 742 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 6: talking past each other. 743 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 5: And so there's so many different. 744 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 6: Ways you can kind of use this premise to explore 745 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 6: really real feelings and really real experiences. And you know, 746 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 6: I feel like our movies just barely begin to tap 747 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 6: into that. 748 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: The cast is unbelievable, Jamie Lee Curtis, Michelle Yoh the 749 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,919 Speaker 1: Leedged which you know, not enough can possibly be said 750 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: about her, James Hong Icon absolute like Titan legend in it. 751 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 1: And then k Hu Kwan, who probably most people remember 752 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: from Temple of Doom, which is Indian Jones movie that 753 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: is aged poorly and the Goonies, But like, man, seeing 754 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: him in this movie, I'm just like, why has he 755 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: not been one of our top twenty most compelling actors 756 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: over the last twenty years? You like, when you went 757 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: to the movie Star Universe and he's in the suit, 758 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, am I in a one car Wifeil? 759 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 8: Like, what is it? 760 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 4: Like? 761 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: I didn't even know he had this in him to 762 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: talk about this incredible cast. That also, one more thing 763 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: I thought about a lot last night. It was just like, 764 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: how this is the best action movie ever that is 765 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,959 Speaker 1: primarily said in an IRS office, like that is a choice. Yeah, 766 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: talk to us about this cast. 767 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 7: Yeah for sure. 768 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 5: I mean it. 769 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 7: Started with Michelle and we knew we wanted to her, 770 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 7: and we were worried that if she said no, there 771 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 7: was no one else like that the movie just wouldn't happen. 772 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 7: And then luckily she believed in It turns out she 773 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 7: was more right for the role than we even knew, 774 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 7: you know, and she really responded to the script, and 775 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 7: then that made it so much easier to attract exciting people, 776 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 7: you know, and to get the movie greenlit. 777 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 6: But even with Key, you know, there was no there 778 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 6: was no question that, like there was something special about him, 779 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 6: and he even when he read the script he knew, 780 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 6: like right away, He's like, this role was made for. 781 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 5: Me, you know. 782 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 6: He told us that, he told us that after we 783 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 6: cast him. How how the moment he read it, he 784 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 6: was like, I think I need to come back into acting, 785 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 6: and this is going to be my first role and 786 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 6: how exciting is that going to be? So he his 787 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 6: audition was the first audition he had done in like 788 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 6: a couple of decades. 789 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: In the Wow. 790 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 7: Yeah, so he hasn't been he kind of retired from 791 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 7: acting and went behind the camera, went to film school, 792 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 7: did stunt coordination, and first he was a first ad 793 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 7: for one Car Why for a while. 794 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. 795 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 6: And the funny thing about Key, you know, because you're 796 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 6: just talking about how we've been missing out on him 797 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 6: for so long, it is this just kind of tragic 798 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 6: that this kid that Spielberg found and Spielberg and his 799 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 6: team found out of like, you know, thousands of other kids. 800 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 6: They auditioned and auditioned forever, and they almost gave up 801 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 6: on the character. They almost wrote the character out of 802 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 6: the movie. And then they find Key, like out of 803 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 6: all these kids, and he has this special like X factor. 804 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 6: It's it's a same lame way to put it, but 805 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 6: he has something special that that you can't put a 806 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 6: number on. 807 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 5: You can't you can't like, yeah, there's no. 808 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 6: Way to evaluate it in that in any other way 809 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 6: except for when you watch him, you just want to smile, 810 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 6: and when you watch him so you just you fall 811 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:38,919 Speaker 6: in love with him. 812 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,919 Speaker 5: And we knew that wayman to the character. 813 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,240 Speaker 6: Women had to be that way because anyone else delivering 814 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 6: lines about kindness or like, you know, please stop fighting. 815 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,720 Speaker 5: Everyone just let us get along. 816 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 6: You know, anyone else delivering those kind of lines, I 817 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 6: think it would have gotten a lot of eye rolls. 818 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 5: But with with Key Kwan, like he. 819 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 6: Can say those lines and you believe it and you 820 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 6: and you want to live in a world where that 821 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 6: is true. And I think there's Yeah, we're so lucky 822 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 6: that we got him in this movie, and we're so 823 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 6: lucky that I think our industry has him back. 824 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 5: You know, I'm so excited to see what he gets 825 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 5: to do next. 826 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 2: For sure, And I would love to talk like he 827 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 2: was definitely I love I mean, I love Michelle Yeo, 828 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 2: I love James Holng, I love Jamie Lee Kerr. So 829 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 2: this was like a movie where everyone in it is 830 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 2: just incredible. But he is someone who is so core 831 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,919 Speaker 2: to so many of our childhoods. But I never kind 832 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 2: of saw how I never saw where this his story 833 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 2: was going in the movie, and it was. It was 834 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 2: just so powerful and wonderful, and you kind of touched 835 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 2: on it a little bit of his message of kindness. 836 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 2: So could you talk a little bit about that aspect, 837 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 2: the radical empathy and that being kind of the mainline 838 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 2: message and kind of understanding overarching that comes out of 839 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 2: the movie. 840 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:53,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 841 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 7: I mean I think at the start, as we kind 842 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 7: of told you, it was just like we had this 843 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 7: first jumping idea and we're like, oh, what if we 844 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 7: could do some stylized fight scenes. We love action movies 845 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,400 Speaker 7: and like to do our version of the matrix, but 846 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 7: with like Stephen chow craziness, you know, was so exciting. 847 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 7: And then, uh, as is usually the case when we're 848 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 7: like making something funny, we start to feel guilty about like, 849 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 7: uh but why why this movie? What's it about? Are 850 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 7: we gonna just culturally frack some more people's time? And 851 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,760 Speaker 7: we started kind of thinking about how we're not violent guys, 852 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 7: and and and also like I can't. I'm a pacifist 853 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 7: in fact, and so like there's this like subtext to 854 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 7: action films, which is violence is an is a good answer. 855 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 7: And so we just we hit our heads against the 856 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 7: wall on that a lot, and and it became kind 857 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 7: of the project of the movie, you know, to be 858 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 7: like can we can we explore that and lean into 859 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 7: it and question it and and so this character took 860 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 7: shape of like the dismissible beta male who is not 861 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 7: the alpha male action star and unless he's being taken 862 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 7: over for moments by you know, the more appropriately actioning 863 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 7: version of himself. But like once we kind of unlocked 864 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 7: that we got it was like a real aha moment 865 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,240 Speaker 7: for the whole script to be like, oh, this movie's 866 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 7: going to celebrate that sweet person and the fact that 867 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 7: being kind is is a way of fighting, Like that's 868 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 7: the way of changing the world. That's just as valuable, 869 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 7: if not more so. 870 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 6: And I mean we specifically wanted to be like, let's 871 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 6: make someone kinding people to death, and. 872 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 7: That was that was the last puzzle pieces, Like oh 873 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,240 Speaker 7: my god, at the end, if she just kind, kind, kind. 874 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 2: People, like, everyone's happy exactly. 875 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 6: But it's like, what if we made that just as 876 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,399 Speaker 6: satisfying as like kill Bill or just a satisfying as 877 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,919 Speaker 6: a headshot from from John Wick? Because I think those 878 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 6: things give us such a dopamine hit, which is why 879 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 6: they're so fun and the way that they're shot and 880 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 6: the way that but the editing works. 881 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 5: It is candy. 882 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,360 Speaker 6: And so we wanted to take all of our special 883 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 6: skills that we have in our back pockets to give 884 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 6: to deliver that dopamine hit, but like totally you know, 885 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 6: show it in a completely different radical way. 886 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,240 Speaker 5: So yeah, we call that the empathy fight. It's very silly, 887 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 5: but it was. 888 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 6: Really Yeah, that became like one of the north stars 889 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 6: for the films. Like, if we can pull that off, 890 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 6: I think this is going to be a very special movie. 891 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, we really did. And I'd love to ask 892 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: about some of these action scenes because I mean, the 893 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: Wushoe fanny pack fight is one of the most truly 894 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: like one of the most original fight scenes I've seen 895 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,399 Speaker 1: in a while. How did all of that stuff come 896 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: together and how hard was it to get it to 897 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: get it on film. 898 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, we struggle with finding the right collaborators for this. 899 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 6: We are such Hong Kong action cinema nuts, like we 900 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 6: grew up on that stuff, all the Shaw Brothers stuff, 901 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,959 Speaker 6: and specific Yun Wu Ping's work. You know, he's worked 902 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 6: with all the greats. And this guy Jackie. 903 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 8: Chan is like. 904 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 7: Anything yea. 905 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 6: And and you know, we really wanted to make a 906 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 6: conscious effort to pull away from a lot of the 907 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 6: modern action trends in the movies that we're watching and 908 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 6: go back to the basics. 909 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 5: A because we love that stuff. 910 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,839 Speaker 6: It's in our bones, but B because it's actually if 911 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 6: done right, it can be just as it can be 912 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 6: way cheaper to do, you know, because you know, those 913 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,879 Speaker 6: Hong Kong action films didn't have much money. 914 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,280 Speaker 1: And so no money exactly no money. 915 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 6: Basically no money, a lot of time and like you know, 916 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 6: maybe maybe a lot of injuries, but you know, we 917 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 6: realized like this is something that we could do well 918 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,399 Speaker 6: if we found the right people. And one day we 919 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 6: were on YouTube and we were looking up martial arts 920 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 6: videos just for references, and we found this short film 921 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 6: from these guys called The Marshall Club, and we're like, 922 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 6: are these guys? Are these guys in the US, because like, 923 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 6: these people are? These guys are amazing. Not only are 924 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 6: they so like technically incredible, but their camera work is 925 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 6: really smart and they also infuse humor in a lot 926 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 6: of their fights, which like most I think most modern 927 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,359 Speaker 6: action films try to do, but it's not really it's 928 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,720 Speaker 6: usually with quippie dialogue and not with visual visual, physical comedy, 929 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 6: which is what we wanted our movie to have. And 930 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 6: so we reached out to them. They're they're a bunch 931 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 6: of friends from OC and they just became instantly just 932 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,439 Speaker 6: like the the the people that we wanted to work 933 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 6: with because they they're reminded us of ourselves the way 934 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 6: that they are just a bunch of friends shooting stuff 935 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,320 Speaker 6: in their in their living. 936 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,280 Speaker 5: Room and then putting them online. 937 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was the that was exactly the energy 938 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 6: we needed for our film, for for this movie. 939 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 940 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, So it ended up being a huge priority for us, 941 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 7: but like a successful collaboration between us having strong opinions 942 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 7: and kind of being like, let's make each fight different 943 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,919 Speaker 7: and writing writing in a way that each one could 944 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 7: could be an ode to a different kind of style 945 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 7: of filmmaking that we love. And then the Marshall Club 946 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,720 Speaker 7: bringing their like encyclopedic knowledge of all Kung fu movies 947 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,280 Speaker 7: ever made. 948 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 6: And it's worth noting that none of them have or 949 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,399 Speaker 6: at least the two brothers, the two main corographers, never 950 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 6: took any lessons. 951 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 7: They have a friend who's like, he's like more formally trained, 952 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 7: but but Andy and Bryan are just like they just 953 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 7: know what has been in movies. 954 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 6: They just watch movies at the whole Hong Kong movies 955 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 6: and that's everything they know. 956 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 8: Yeah. 957 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 7: They So then they helped us pre visit all and 958 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 7: then we had our stunt coordinator, Tim Yulick, who we've 959 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 7: worked with a make it so we successfully hurt nobody. Yeah, yeah, 960 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,319 Speaker 7: and so we were able to just kind of like 961 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 7: move really fast. Michelle was very surprised that we were 962 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,760 Speaker 7: able to shoot it all in the time we had 963 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,840 Speaker 7: and not do what it's called spraying with some people 964 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 7: called spraying it down, where you're just like, get three cameras, 965 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 7: now do the fight that you guys are heard. We'll 966 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:17,839 Speaker 7: figure it out in post move on. 967 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:18,319 Speaker 8: You know. 968 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 7: We we tried really hard not to do that. 969 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 6: We had the opportunity to sit down with Quentin Tarantino 970 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,279 Speaker 6: like years ago, like six seven years ago at the 971 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 6: Sunday's Institute, at the Sunday's Lap He was one of 972 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 6: our advisors, and we took the opportunity just like to 973 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 6: pick his brain to be like, what was it like 974 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 6: shooting kill Bill's like fight sequences, because those are some 975 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,879 Speaker 6: of my favorite American action scenes I've ever seen. And 976 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 6: you know, he said something that you know, kind of 977 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,360 Speaker 6: feels obvious now, but like at the time was really interesting. 978 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 6: He was talking about how Hollywood usually sprays it down, 979 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 6: or they kind of kind of try to cover it 980 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 6: conventionally as if it was like a dialogue scene when 981 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,840 Speaker 6: really shooting it like it's like it's a dance sequence 982 00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 6: like its own. 983 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 5: It's its own version of a narrative, of a visual narrative. 984 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,120 Speaker 6: And so he learned from Muping, who was a consulting 985 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:12,080 Speaker 6: choreographer on Killbill, that every single shot was perfectly catered 986 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 6: to the move that they were about to shoot next shot. 987 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 6: So if like this punch to the face, let's get 988 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,799 Speaker 6: the perfect shot for that punch to the face. And 989 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 6: then if the shot of him falling down has to 990 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,480 Speaker 6: kind of turn around one A d and break the 991 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 6: one A line and also force the entire crew to relight, 992 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,400 Speaker 6: then we're going to do that. So they shoot everything 993 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 6: in order sequentially, just finding the best shot for each moment, 994 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 6: which is incredibly time consuming, but also it's why those 995 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 6: fight scenes are so beautifully done and so clear. You know, 996 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 6: there's a narrative clarity to him. 997 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 7: And so our ad and our semotographer were like, no 998 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 7: way we can do that. We tried to like take 999 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 7: that ethos to heart and find some compromise somewhere in 1000 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,320 Speaker 7: there and not yeah, and try to really study that style. 1001 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can tell our movie I think the 1002 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 6: fight scenes are are I'm very proud of them. 1003 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 5: Because they feel so different. 1004 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 6: And you know after when when we go to see 1005 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 6: it in theaters, after every fight scene there's like applause breaks, 1006 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,760 Speaker 6: which is like, come on, that's how amazing. 1007 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 3: That's what it's like. 1008 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,880 Speaker 2: When in my theor it was people were reacting to 1009 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,560 Speaker 2: it just it was it was wonderful to be a 1010 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 2: part of cheering, you know during the fight scenes, especially 1011 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 2: the fanny pack fight scene that was like a big, 1012 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,440 Speaker 2: big statement piece. 1013 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 1: The butt plug prop work was. 1014 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,240 Speaker 2: That was like being in the theater and like Captain 1015 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,839 Speaker 2: America picked upon exactly like. 1016 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 5: That that was what you were trying to go for. 1017 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,400 Speaker 2: I was just like, my god, that was really great. 1018 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,719 Speaker 2: So like this kind of this. I love this juxtaposition 1019 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 2: between you guys bringing this grassroots collaborative filmmaking, which is 1020 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,760 Speaker 2: what you do, and then this being like the first 1021 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 2: A twenty four movie with like an Imax release and 1022 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 2: that kind of juxtaposition. But you also did that with 1023 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,239 Speaker 2: the VFX, right, because like I was reading your thread 1024 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,840 Speaker 2: about how you didn't go to like a big post 1025 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 2: house and you just hired your friends. So could you 1026 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about that because the VFX in 1027 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 2: this movie and the way this movie looks just astonishing. 1028 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 2: So could you talk about like that decision and why 1029 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,400 Speaker 2: it was the right one because it's obvious to us, 1030 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 2: but why was it right for you guys? 1031 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the script we wrote, people read it 1032 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 7: and they were like, this is going to be like 1033 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:41,600 Speaker 7: a eighty million dollar movie, right, No, it's not, we promise, 1034 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 7: And then we did in the rewriting process try to 1035 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 7: like really lean into the tricks we were used to 1036 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,800 Speaker 7: and the tools we were used to playing with, and 1037 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,399 Speaker 7: so coming from music videos, like we we have very 1038 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,799 Speaker 7: basic VFX knowledge ourselves, and we leaned on that really 1039 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,239 Speaker 7: hea so that we could do a lot of our 1040 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 7: own visual effects in our shorts and music videos, and 1041 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,440 Speaker 7: so like the vast majority of the movie is done 1042 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 7: practically or we're just using visual effects for very to 1043 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 7: make things safe or production friendly, where it's like, oh, 1044 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 7: we can remove that light or that wire, but we're not. 1045 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 7: There's no like characters that are computer generated, you know. 1046 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 6: Or sometimes some practical effects. You know, people people I 1047 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 6: think people have like this nostalgic hard on for practical effects, 1048 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 6: but in practicality, it's it's it's actually a pain in 1049 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 6: the ass, you know. 1050 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,880 Speaker 7: It's like the setup time is such a pain and 1051 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 7: like every time you break it, you have to reset, 1052 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,680 Speaker 7: you know, it takes like half. 1053 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,799 Speaker 6: An hour, and it's never quite perfect. And so what 1054 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 6: we do is we take the imperfect take. You know, 1055 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 6: maybe we'll get two takes if we're lucky, and then 1056 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,319 Speaker 6: lot of times just one, just one take, and then 1057 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 6: we just like spruce it up and posts because we 1058 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,239 Speaker 6: know how to, so like we get the best of 1059 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,879 Speaker 6: both worlds, so it doesn't feel fully CG because I. 1060 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 5: Think audiences are aware of it when when it's fully CG. 1061 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,319 Speaker 7: So we put tons of dust on them when they 1062 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 7: hit each other because that's how I Kung Fum look. 1063 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 7: And then we added more dust in post because some 1064 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,719 Speaker 7: of the hits weren't as dusty as we wanted it. 1065 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 7: But we were always kind of mixing the two. But 1066 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 7: to kind of get to the end of the the headline, 1067 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 7: we had like seven friends do over five hundred visual effects, 1068 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,560 Speaker 7: like and there was no post house. And we didn't 1069 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,160 Speaker 7: even think when we started that we were going to 1070 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,640 Speaker 7: be able to do all of it with our small team, 1071 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 7: but they kind of stepped their game up and we 1072 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,200 Speaker 7: weren't sure they'd be able to do all the bagel 1073 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 7: or all the finale stuff, and some of our friends 1074 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,600 Speaker 7: were like, I want to learn some new stuff, and 1075 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 7: so they they did. 1076 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 6: So our friends would be watching YouTube tutorials for this 1077 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,000 Speaker 6: this movie that we didn't actually know was going to 1078 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 6: be playing in Imax like that basically, But I think 1079 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,839 Speaker 6: it was something that we, you know, honed in during 1080 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 6: our music video times. We did a music video for 1081 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 6: TENACIOUSD a long time ago, and we you know, we 1082 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,120 Speaker 6: had no time and very small budget, so we just 1083 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 6: brought in our friends who were other directors, and we 1084 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,920 Speaker 6: all got in my bedroom and we lined up all 1085 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,239 Speaker 6: of our computers and we just it kind of felt like. 1086 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:11,920 Speaker 5: A land party. 1087 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 6: You know, everyone was just We're just passing after effects 1088 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 6: projects back and forth, and you know, it was some 1089 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 6: of it was really frustrating because it was all new 1090 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 6: to us. But then, you know, the final shot of 1091 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 6: that of that Tenacious D video is this really epic 1092 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 6: shot of the band floating in you know, this cosmic 1093 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,440 Speaker 6: you know, tapestry that's really beautiful. 1094 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 5: And what that. 1095 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 6: Final shot was was basically, you know, Ben Brewer, one 1096 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,040 Speaker 6: of the other directors, created certain elements and then Zach 1097 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,520 Speaker 6: Stultz would create certain elements, and Jeff Deson was create 1098 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 6: certain elements, and then it all get funneled to me, 1099 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,320 Speaker 6: and I would kind of create the final you know, 1100 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,600 Speaker 6: just because I'm so particular, just to save time on 1101 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 6: like all the back and forth in the notes, I 1102 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 6: would I would do the final pass and tie it 1103 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,960 Speaker 6: all together. And I was like, why maybe we should 1104 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 6: just do this for this movie. And so for a 1105 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,720 Speaker 6: lot of the bagel shots, it was this very collaborative 1106 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 6: exploration where they would keep sending me elements or I'd 1107 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 6: ask for certain things, and then I'd try to stick 1108 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,960 Speaker 6: it together into like something that felt stupid and cosmic 1109 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,880 Speaker 6: and beautiful sometime and then I would pass it over 1110 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 6: to Ethan, who has like a really good eye for 1111 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 6: like very old school techniques. Like he you know, he 1112 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,040 Speaker 6: was the kid in school because we all went to 1113 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,080 Speaker 6: Emerson College. 1114 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,560 Speaker 5: He was the kid in school who it's the. 1115 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: First place I dropped acid. 1116 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,840 Speaker 6: Nice connect But he was doing like optical printing, like 1117 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 6: practically with with like sixteen millimeters back in college when 1118 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,000 Speaker 6: everyone else was already moved on to digital or whatever. 1119 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,040 Speaker 6: So like it was a really fun, weird, organic thing, 1120 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 6: and we are really proud of it, like all of. 1121 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 5: It feels unique to this movie. It doesn't feel like 1122 00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,000 Speaker 5: we're trying to compete with the big blockbusters. 1123 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 6: It has its own style and its own handmade ethos 1124 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 6: to it. 1125 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 7: And during COVID, we were all just like, uh, we 1126 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,280 Speaker 7: were going were everyone was working more hours than we expected, 1127 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 7: but we were just giving money to our friends. So 1128 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,240 Speaker 7: it's pretty cool way. 1129 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,600 Speaker 2: To get the dream. 1130 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 7: And we weren't going that far over budget. I was like, 1131 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,280 Speaker 7: I guess we'll just send some money to our friends. 1132 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,800 Speaker 7: It became like a valuable job for you know, all 1133 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 7: of them to be like, right, let's just let's just 1134 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:30,160 Speaker 7: chug away. 1135 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 6: And especially because all of these directors weren't booking jobs 1136 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,720 Speaker 6: because there was nothing to do. It ended up being 1137 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 6: a really beautiful, like weird, perfect project for all of us. 1138 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned the four year journey to get this on 1139 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:49,520 Speaker 1: the screen and the the numerous miracles that were necessary 1140 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,920 Speaker 1: to make it happen. Was there ever a moment where 1141 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,680 Speaker 1: you're like, Fuck, we're just not going to make We're 1142 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: not going to make this movie. 1143 00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,960 Speaker 6: A couple of lowest lows, Dan, I think that, I mean, 1144 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,280 Speaker 6: the biggest one was like we haven't talked. We haven't 1145 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 6: spoken too much about this, but you know, when we 1146 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 6: set out to make this movie, Asian American films hadn't 1147 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:16,640 Speaker 6: been like a proven, like viable business like model, I 1148 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,680 Speaker 6: guess for lack of a better words. So we actually 1149 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,400 Speaker 6: had a hard time figuring out the casting of it all. 1150 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,640 Speaker 6: And at one point, you know, we had Aquafina attached 1151 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,640 Speaker 6: and that was going to give us our green light 1152 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,400 Speaker 6: because you know, she was one of the few Asian 1153 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,000 Speaker 6: American actresses or actress in our whole industry that could 1154 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,520 Speaker 6: probably green light something. And when some scheduling conflicts came up, 1155 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,280 Speaker 6: like the whole thing almost fell. 1156 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 5: Apart, which was really it was really scary, but also 1157 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,120 Speaker 5: just really frustrating. 1158 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 7: It's kind of it's like because they're also likes there 1159 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,160 Speaker 7: are a lot of talented people out there, like a 1160 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 7: good movie guys. 1161 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, And so that that that that was probably my 1162 01:00:53,880 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 6: lowest low just just realizing how as independent filmmakers, how 1163 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,000 Speaker 6: tired we are to the value the imaginary value of 1164 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:05,760 Speaker 6: these actors. 1165 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,120 Speaker 5: And it's it's none of them is their fault. 1166 01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,840 Speaker 6: It's just the way that the machine works, in the 1167 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,520 Speaker 6: way that the agents kind of talk to each other and. 1168 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,680 Speaker 5: And try to you know, like we're always in like 1169 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:20,360 Speaker 5: this bad. 1170 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 6: Position as in the independent filmmakers where we have very 1171 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,520 Speaker 6: little leverage, you know, and it's very good. So that 1172 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 6: that is a very disempowering experience to try to get 1173 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,680 Speaker 6: your money funded. Right now, we're we're executive producing another 1174 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:38,200 Speaker 6: movie and we're in that problem right now, and you know, 1175 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,920 Speaker 6: even as executive producers, we don't know what to do. 1176 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:41,800 Speaker 5: Sometimes it's like this. 1177 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,840 Speaker 6: The whole the whole conundrum of casting a list actors 1178 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 6: for small indie movies is it's like it's a really 1179 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,960 Speaker 6: great model because then you know, these movies get to 1180 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,800 Speaker 6: be seen by people. But then it's also really frustrating 1181 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,880 Speaker 6: because it's so fragile. The whole thing can just fall 1182 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,680 Speaker 6: apart any moment. And I more in all the movies 1183 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,520 Speaker 6: that basically died close to the finish line, you know, 1184 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,680 Speaker 6: because of casting problems, which I know so many of 1185 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,800 Speaker 6: my friends have gone through that problem process. 1186 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, do you have a low point that it was fun? 1187 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:14,479 Speaker 5: The whole thing was fun. 1188 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 1: It was just a blasted yeah, yeah, finish. 1189 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,120 Speaker 7: Yeah. We finished it last summer and so we've been 1190 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,040 Speaker 7: waiting until theaters were open because we, like everyone really 1191 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:31,440 Speaker 7: believed it was worth seeing in theaters, but uh, you 1192 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,080 Speaker 7: know so the last few surges of COVID were pretty demoralizing. 1193 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,919 Speaker 7: It was like, Chris never, it's never coming out. It's never. 1194 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, And what is it like after kind 1195 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,640 Speaker 2: of those that that journey, you know, the highs and 1196 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,760 Speaker 2: loads and everything. What's it like for the movie to 1197 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,600 Speaker 2: come out? And it hasn't even gone wide yet? But 1198 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,080 Speaker 2: what's it been like to come out and see this 1199 01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 2: story that I'm sure many people told you was like 1200 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,520 Speaker 2: not universal enough or war was too ni sure, and 1201 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,160 Speaker 2: to have like every single person who see it go, 1202 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,680 Speaker 2: oh my god, this is so relatable. I love this movie. Like, 1203 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,640 Speaker 2: what has it been like to get to see it 1204 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,160 Speaker 2: on the screen and see all the work that you 1205 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 2: and your friends put in and see this story be 1206 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,080 Speaker 2: received by so many different kinds of people as something 1207 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,680 Speaker 2: that really means something to them? 1208 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:20,280 Speaker 5: Confusing? 1209 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, I still don't believe it. I genuinely don't. Like 1210 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,360 Speaker 7: I still like, well, like someone will be like, oh, 1211 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,720 Speaker 7: it's got this score on Rott Tomato and like I 1212 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,760 Speaker 7: haven't internalized that. I don't think I believe you. 1213 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think I believe you because so much 1214 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,960 Speaker 6: for our work is built off the premise of like, 1215 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,520 Speaker 6: no one's going to let us make this, Like like 1216 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,240 Speaker 6: that's that's such a driving force behind our processes. 1217 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,160 Speaker 7: It's like the things we want to see out there 1218 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,400 Speaker 7: that aren't getting made, or the things that interest us. 1219 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 7: But then we know we're biting off something unlikely or 1220 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,560 Speaker 7: that might be niche, but that'll mean something to the 1221 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:54,400 Speaker 7: people like us. 1222 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,480 Speaker 6: And so we thought this would reach you know, a 1223 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,600 Speaker 6: bigger audience than so sorry man, obviously, but even still, 1224 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,600 Speaker 6: like we knew that there would this movie would be 1225 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,439 Speaker 6: too much for people like that. We made this movie 1226 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,400 Speaker 6: specifically knowing that we would push some people away because 1227 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:13,960 Speaker 6: we were just you know, it's it's such a loud, long, overstuffed, wild, 1228 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:18,439 Speaker 6: chaotic thing, which is very intentional, and you know, every 1229 01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,040 Speaker 6: decision we made, we're like, okay, if we keep the 1230 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:26,040 Speaker 6: butt plugs in the percentage of our audience they lose 1231 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,160 Speaker 6: and how much do you know it's but also how 1232 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 6: much stronger are the themes. 1233 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 2: Hot dog fingers? What was the percentages on that one? 1234 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,920 Speaker 6: Is like exactly, It's like and we're like, okay, but 1235 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,600 Speaker 6: if we keep the hot dog fingers and how beautiful 1236 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,240 Speaker 6: and romantic can we make that? 1237 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 5: How how cathartic can that be? 1238 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,720 Speaker 6: So again, we can just win a couple more people, 1239 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,640 Speaker 6: and so the whole thing is a very calculated affair, 1240 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:49,400 Speaker 6: but our. 1241 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:53,080 Speaker 7: Math was off. This is too much. 1242 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:54,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't believe it. 1243 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 6: I do hope that with the wide release things start 1244 01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,040 Speaker 6: to like, you know, even out a little bit. 1245 01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:05,919 Speaker 7: Pore this SoundBite after the movie flops, the exact dot 1246 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,440 Speaker 7: com bubble of a movie. 1247 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,160 Speaker 2: It will be the funniest SoundBite when it becomes like 1248 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,840 Speaker 2: the biggest movie of all time. And then you do 1249 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,000 Speaker 2: it just like crying, like why do people. 1250 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:15,800 Speaker 5: Is that? 1251 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,040 Speaker 6: It's like the imposter syndrome in me is just fully 1252 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,360 Speaker 6: on fire right now. I'm like, this is it's a 1253 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,520 Speaker 6: horrible feeling. But also so on the grand scale, it's 1254 01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:27,920 Speaker 6: a horrible horrible feeling. 1255 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,760 Speaker 5: On the individual level, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine. 1256 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 6: But on the individual level, when we get chance to 1257 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 6: talk to people after Q and A's or have people 1258 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,920 Speaker 6: d m us these very personal stories, it is just 1259 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,480 Speaker 6: the most fulfilling, beautiful experience, Like the fact that we 1260 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 6: can work so hard on something that is very personal 1261 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,600 Speaker 6: and very like specific to us and to have so 1262 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,160 Speaker 6: many different kinds of people from different walks of life 1263 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,280 Speaker 6: just see themselves in it. And it's like, you know, 1264 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,120 Speaker 6: we've been doing screens and almost every it feels like 1265 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:02,760 Speaker 6: almost every. 1266 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:03,560 Speaker 5: Night for the past three weeks. 1267 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, I would say at least half 1268 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,040 Speaker 6: of them, if not more, someone will come up to 1269 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,560 Speaker 6: us and start crying on one of our shoulders. And 1270 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,360 Speaker 6: it's just this very strange thing where we have created 1271 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,240 Speaker 6: this space for people to fully express themselves, you know 1272 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,920 Speaker 6: now that you know, because the movie kind of just 1273 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,720 Speaker 6: destroys logic, destroys any conventions, and just really just leaves 1274 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,200 Speaker 6: you in this place of like possibility, or at least 1275 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,320 Speaker 6: that's that's our attention. And some people take that as 1276 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,520 Speaker 6: an invitation to fully express themselves to us, and and. 1277 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:43,080 Speaker 5: It's it is just it is humbling. 1278 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,880 Speaker 6: It's a humbling reminder of the fact that, like, our 1279 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,959 Speaker 6: films matter. And I think a lot of people have 1280 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,400 Speaker 6: forgotten that. You know, I even forgotten that, like I don't. 1281 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,280 Speaker 6: I don't until like, you know, three weeks ago, when 1282 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,760 Speaker 6: the movie came out. Don't I was starting to lose 1283 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,560 Speaker 6: faith in the idea that movies can change pop lives. 1284 01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,040 Speaker 6: You know, like I've forgotten that, I've forgotten that that's 1285 01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,720 Speaker 6: what happened to me, Like I forgot that movie has 1286 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,920 Speaker 6: changed my life and that's why my bad became a filmmaker. 1287 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 6: And so to have this response remind me of the 1288 01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,320 Speaker 6: power of what we're doing is like really humbling and 1289 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,680 Speaker 6: also just putting it puts a fire under my ass. 1290 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,880 Speaker 6: And because like I'm realizing ship the next thing I do, 1291 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,840 Speaker 6: like I can't, I can't go easy. This is this 1292 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,080 Speaker 6: is so important. It's too important for me to to 1293 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:24,760 Speaker 6: get lazy. 1294 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,320 Speaker 5: In fact, there's so much more work to be done 1295 01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:27,800 Speaker 5: in the world. 1296 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,760 Speaker 6: And you know, if this is the only tool I 1297 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,160 Speaker 6: have to save the world, I want to use it, 1298 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,960 Speaker 6: you know, and how how thrilling, how exciting and so 1299 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,160 Speaker 6: like you know, when our next movie comes out and 1300 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,680 Speaker 6: it saves the world, you. 1301 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,840 Speaker 5: Can this sound exactly exactly. 1302 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,840 Speaker 7: Slash when Dan starts a cult, when I started. 1303 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,920 Speaker 2: Exactly the Bagel cult. 1304 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:56,040 Speaker 9: But part of part of the the credit will go 1305 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,600 Speaker 9: to all the wonderful people who have reached out to 1306 01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,000 Speaker 9: us and remind us of the fact that stories matter, 1307 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,760 Speaker 9: or the blame matter exactly, or the blame when when 1308 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,520 Speaker 9: the when the movie backfires. 1309 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,680 Speaker 6: And does the opposite somehow right, the opposite. Yeah, it 1310 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,480 Speaker 6: ends the world. That's actually what our next movie should be. 1311 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,479 Speaker 7: Just suicide cult of a movie. 1312 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,920 Speaker 6: No, it's about two directors trying to make a movie 1313 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,280 Speaker 6: to save the world and accidentally they end. 1314 01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,719 Speaker 10: The world in the World's good. 1315 01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 5: You guys are too scoop us. 1316 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on really just a really super mind melty, 1317 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:38,200 Speaker 1: heartfelt movie that it was a blast to watch. Congratulations 1318 01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,280 Speaker 1: on it coming out. Congratulations on the accolades you all 1319 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,479 Speaker 1: deserve it. Here's hoping it's the biggest hit in the 1320 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,599 Speaker 1: world very soon. And we just we loved it. 1321 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,040 Speaker 2: So thank you, Thank you so much for coming and 1322 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:51,160 Speaker 2: thank you so much. 1323 01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,439 Speaker 7: Nice to meet you. Also, such a great conversation. Thank 1324 01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:54,439 Speaker 7: you guys, Thank you. 1325 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking the time. 1326 01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:56,800 Speaker 7: Bye. 1327 01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,320 Speaker 1: Up Next, Ira and Lewis interview the iconic the legendary 1328 01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:05,720 Speaker 1: Michelle yo x ray Vision is brought to you by 1329 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:10,840 Speaker 1: Smile Actives. Are you self conscious about your smile due 1330 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:16,479 Speaker 1: to stains? Are your teeth aging you? 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This week's 1382 01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,519 Speaker 8: episode is about vibes, okay, and if there is any 1383 01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:43,920 Speaker 8: movie out right now that more encapsulates vibes than anything, 1384 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,960 Speaker 8: it is everything everywhere, all at once. 1385 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,480 Speaker 11: Yes, and we are very lucky to have the legendary 1386 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,400 Speaker 11: and to say delightful is a complete understatement. I was 1387 01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,439 Speaker 11: sitting in this interview just overjoyed with our Michelle yo. 1388 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:00,480 Speaker 10: Is with us. 1389 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,000 Speaker 8: The Bond girl. 1390 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,280 Speaker 11: I was gonna say, you know what, I feel like 1391 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,160 Speaker 11: she rarely comes up in like a list of like 1392 01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,320 Speaker 11: the best Bond girls ever, and it's like, I mean, 1393 01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,080 Speaker 11: who is more formidable than Michelle Yo. 1394 01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,600 Speaker 8: I know, I feel like because she was part of 1395 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,120 Speaker 8: that era that took the Bond girl too like Bond woman. 1396 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,680 Speaker 8: You know, that was when we started to have the 1397 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,120 Speaker 8: conversation should we be calling them Bond girls? 1398 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,639 Speaker 10: As long as you call them, that's my route. 1399 01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:34,320 Speaker 8: Paul, We're not cutting that joke, Lois. I want people 1400 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,840 Speaker 8: to hear it. I want Danielle Perez to hear it 1401 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 8: and say, you know what, He's not as good as me. 1402 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,200 Speaker 11: But Michelle Yo is clearly better than like what other 1403 01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,160 Speaker 11: bob like Maude Adams, Barbara Back. 1404 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,400 Speaker 10: Come on, Michelle Yo is top tier anyway. 1405 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:57,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Michelle Yo. Halle Berry. I always yeah, 1406 01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,920 Speaker 8: I always forget that Grace Jones, I guess wasn't a 1407 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,000 Speaker 8: Bond girl. She was like a villain. 1408 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,080 Speaker 11: Correct, Yes, And and she got to stare angrily and 1409 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,479 Speaker 11: have trapezoidal facial features all over that movie. 1410 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:16,160 Speaker 8: Yeah. But getting back to everything everywhere, all at once, which, 1411 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:20,040 Speaker 8: by the way, I fucking loved. And it's wild that 1412 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:25,720 Speaker 8: it's from two directors who they're collectively known as the Daniels, 1413 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:31,360 Speaker 8: Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert, who got their start directing 1414 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:40,519 Speaker 8: music videos. As I feel most John rabbending movies that 1415 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,400 Speaker 8: feel like a cult movie from the moment you watch it. 1416 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,479 Speaker 8: I feel like those directors always come from like music videos, 1417 01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:54,679 Speaker 8: like a Spike Jones, you know, yeah, they did DJ 1418 01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,360 Speaker 8: Snake's Turned Down for What. 1419 01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:58,599 Speaker 10: Which? 1420 01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,080 Speaker 11: If you have ever I heard that song even once, 1421 01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,599 Speaker 11: it's still resonating in your skull. 1422 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:08,400 Speaker 8: So and a couple Foster the people on songs that 1423 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,759 Speaker 8: aren't pumped up kicks, so you probably never heard them before. 1424 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,519 Speaker 10: I was gonna say they are not ringing about. 1425 01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:21,679 Speaker 8: But you know, their last film was their debut Swiss 1426 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,240 Speaker 8: Army Man, which I still have not seen. 1427 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,280 Speaker 11: I have friends who stands it doesn't seem like my 1428 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,759 Speaker 11: sort of thing, but that doesn't mean it's not good. 1429 01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,680 Speaker 8: I just remember hearing farting Corpse and I was like, 1430 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,960 Speaker 8: you know what, it's not for. 1431 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,960 Speaker 10: Me, right, some things just aren't for us. 1432 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,680 Speaker 8: Also, I'm weirdly not a Daniel Radcliffe stand to the 1433 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,760 Speaker 8: point where I need to see everything that he's in, 1434 01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,639 Speaker 8: even though I do appreciate him, you know as a 1435 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:53,680 Speaker 8: elder statesman. 1436 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,200 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, no, I would even just say a grown 1437 01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,000 Speaker 11: up yeah, Like when you ask him for a quote 1438 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,240 Speaker 11: and he's like here, comes someone with a head on 1439 01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,280 Speaker 11: their shoulders appreciate it enough if you just provide that 1440 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:06,800 Speaker 11: we love it. 1441 01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,759 Speaker 8: Do you want to talk about what happened at the Oscars? 1442 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,400 Speaker 8: Daniel Radcliffe Absolutely not. 1443 01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,200 Speaker 10: He's like, I'm five to two and I gotta get 1444 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:16,719 Speaker 10: out of here. 1445 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:19,600 Speaker 4: No. 1446 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,240 Speaker 8: But the thing about this film is that it's one 1447 01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,200 Speaker 8: of those films that I feel like you're like the Matrix, 1448 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,240 Speaker 8: you know, like when it comes out, like everyone is 1449 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,439 Speaker 8: talking about it and everyone is sort of telling you 1450 01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:37,000 Speaker 8: to go and see it. I truly have not had 1451 01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,719 Speaker 8: a film, at least within the past few years, maybe 1452 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,440 Speaker 8: thanks of the pandemic, but even right before the pandemic 1453 01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:48,599 Speaker 8: where people are texting me asking if I've seen it, 1454 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,080 Speaker 8: or friends are like, hey, do you want to go 1455 01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,880 Speaker 8: see this movie? You know, it feels like everyone has 1456 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,120 Speaker 8: it on their radar. Yeah. 1457 01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,320 Speaker 11: Well, I would actually compare it to the does not 1458 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:05,320 Speaker 11: seem intuitive Hereditary in that it is putting together genres 1459 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,479 Speaker 11: that seemingly don't belong together, namely, like in Hereditary's case, 1460 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,880 Speaker 11: you get like very visceral horror, and then you get 1461 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,280 Speaker 11: a family drama like rabbit Hole or something, whereas in 1462 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:21,200 Speaker 11: this movie you get a very sensitive observed family situation, 1463 01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,639 Speaker 11: a queer story, and that's looped together with this sort of. 1464 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:25,400 Speaker 10: Comic book thing. 1465 01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:26,200 Speaker 8: This. 1466 01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,360 Speaker 11: I don't think I'm giving much away by saying a 1467 01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,439 Speaker 11: multiverse thing. And so there's it's one of those something 1468 01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:33,639 Speaker 11: for everyone type movies. 1469 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,400 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean A twenty four sort of does that well, 1470 01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,720 Speaker 8: you know. In addition, in addition, I guess that's what 1471 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 8: they do. Yeah, in addition to being an urban outfitters, 1472 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:48,599 Speaker 8: they are also very good at sort of genre films 1473 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,879 Speaker 8: that are multiple genres. All right, when we are back, 1474 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,320 Speaker 8: we sit down with the icon Michelle Yo to discuss 1475 01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:01,400 Speaker 8: everything everywhere, all at once, and and all of her 1476 01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:09,360 Speaker 8: other classic films. I mean, she's been in so many 1477 01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,720 Speaker 8: I think our guest today truly needs no introduction. She 1478 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:23,440 Speaker 8: is a legend, the star of the Action Pact, hilarious, 1479 01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,800 Speaker 8: so much going on film that I can't wait to 1480 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,880 Speaker 8: talk with her about everything everywhere, all at once. The 1481 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:35,120 Speaker 8: Michelle Yeo, thank you so much for joining us today. 1482 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,080 Speaker 3: Very happy to be here. Ira and Lewis. 1483 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,880 Speaker 8: I first want to say this movie is amazing and 1484 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,600 Speaker 8: you are amazing in it, and it is so exciting 1485 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:53,840 Speaker 8: to see you in a role like this. And I 1486 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:59,439 Speaker 8: want to ask you. Before this interview, I revisited Yes Madam. 1487 01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:01,200 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 1488 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:07,600 Speaker 8: And what's so interesting about that is that you immediately 1489 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:12,880 Speaker 8: have this amazing screen presence. You are so funny in 1490 01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,840 Speaker 8: that film, and you were just sort of like really 1491 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:21,120 Speaker 8: command the screen with your skill at like martial arts. 1492 01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:25,000 Speaker 8: And you just sort of like really commandeer that film. 1493 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:31,200 Speaker 8: And I want to know, were you always a funny person? Like, 1494 01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,280 Speaker 8: I know you started out in pageants, but like you're 1495 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,679 Speaker 8: you're so you're you're so funny in Yes Bata, You're 1496 01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,840 Speaker 8: so great at martial arts. It's like, where did this 1497 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,240 Speaker 8: all come from? 1498 01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,040 Speaker 3: Oh my god, definitely not from a pageant. 1499 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:53,799 Speaker 8: Right, miscongeniality? Okay, you were. 1500 01:19:55,280 --> 01:20:07,160 Speaker 4: Probably right, good friend, Okay. 1501 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,839 Speaker 3: No, When I first started, there was nothing funny. 1502 01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,439 Speaker 4: I never saw myself. My producers never really saw me 1503 01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:16,120 Speaker 4: as funny. They were very focused on It's true. The 1504 01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,880 Speaker 4: movie that I was in, Yes Madam, is one of my. 1505 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,680 Speaker 3: First action films. 1506 01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,160 Speaker 4: In fact, the first movie I was in is a 1507 01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,479 Speaker 4: action comedy movie. But the comedy and the action were 1508 01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:32,160 Speaker 4: all done by Samo Hook and the legendary Samo Hoo 1509 01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:37,519 Speaker 4: and George Lamb. The amazing singer actor, And when I 1510 01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,200 Speaker 4: was watching them, I'm thinking, like, I can do this, 1511 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:41,120 Speaker 4: you know. 1512 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,200 Speaker 3: Because this very much is all choreography. 1513 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,519 Speaker 4: It's all about precision and timing. 1514 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:47,320 Speaker 3: It's like dance. 1515 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,960 Speaker 4: It's like the world of ballet and dance that I've 1516 01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,519 Speaker 4: been involved in for the last blah blah blah of 1517 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,559 Speaker 4: my life. So when I was so grateful when the 1518 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,479 Speaker 4: producers are well, okay, you know, she's a little bit crazy. 1519 01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,799 Speaker 4: She must be crazy to even try, because that world 1520 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:08,280 Speaker 4: of martial arts and is physical. I mean, if you 1521 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,800 Speaker 4: asked the Jackie Chance and the Jet Lee and the 1522 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,000 Speaker 4: Master You and Mall Pain and the Samu Home, there 1523 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:19,280 Speaker 4: was nothing funny. It looked funny. There was physical comedy, 1524 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,559 Speaker 4: but the stunts and the action that they did was 1525 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,880 Speaker 4: very physical and dangerous because at that time, remember in 1526 01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:32,120 Speaker 4: the heydays of the amazing times of Hong Kong Cinema 1527 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:36,840 Speaker 4: where that was where I started, we didn't have CGI, 1528 01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,760 Speaker 4: we didn't have the budgets to have cables. 1529 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,880 Speaker 3: We have these like scrawny little. 1530 01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,479 Speaker 4: Thin wires that held the whole body weight and you 1531 01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,960 Speaker 4: we over like wizen around in the air and when 1532 01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:54,960 Speaker 4: it snapped, you literally the stunt guys just fall from 1533 01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,759 Speaker 4: wherever they are. So at that point when I actually 1534 01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,960 Speaker 4: turn around and say I would like to try this, 1535 01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,280 Speaker 4: they looked at me like I was insane. 1536 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,240 Speaker 3: But then you know she studied abroad. Maybe that's screwed 1537 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:09,439 Speaker 3: with it. 1538 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:17,080 Speaker 4: But okay, so they yes, Madam. I was surrounded by 1539 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,599 Speaker 4: comedians like the John Sham, the Choy Hawk. 1540 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:21,920 Speaker 3: They were like the. 1541 01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:25,200 Speaker 4: High powered comedy artists. I mean they walked into the 1542 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,400 Speaker 4: set and people laugh. So I was tasked with, Okay, 1543 01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,920 Speaker 4: now I have to convince the audience that I belong here. 1544 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,559 Speaker 4: I deserve to have a place next to the guys 1545 01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:40,760 Speaker 4: doing this martial arts. So I trained very hard and 1546 01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,479 Speaker 4: it was It was not not an easy task because 1547 01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,000 Speaker 4: they have been they paid their dues to be where 1548 01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,000 Speaker 4: they are. They it didn't come on a silver platter 1549 01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:54,320 Speaker 4: for them. So to join the boys club, which it 1550 01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:57,120 Speaker 4: was a boys club, you know, they will tell you because. 1551 01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,320 Speaker 3: They did it in that way in the in the mindset. 1552 01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,800 Speaker 4: We protect our women, we don't let them get hurt 1553 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,559 Speaker 4: and this and except you know, Jackie says that I 1554 01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:10,840 Speaker 4: were like, no, bro, don't go there. And you know, 1555 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,800 Speaker 4: because we have to learn to protect ourselves and if 1556 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,720 Speaker 4: you keep doing that, then we will never grow to 1557 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,960 Speaker 4: be who we are right, which which is prevalent all 1558 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,559 Speaker 4: the time. So that was the beginning of my days, 1559 01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,280 Speaker 4: my start of doing martial arts. I was well protected, 1560 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:31,880 Speaker 4: I was well loved, I was well taught and well 1561 01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,880 Speaker 4: protected in the sense that when you do a stunt, 1562 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,320 Speaker 4: when you do the action sequences, you must learn to 1563 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,840 Speaker 4: respect each other. You know, you have to have the stamina, 1564 01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,680 Speaker 4: you have to have the precision. If I say I 1565 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:49,200 Speaker 4: punch you in here, I'm not going to punch you here, right, 1566 01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,360 Speaker 4: And the only way to do that is if you 1567 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,960 Speaker 4: are in training and that you are you have the 1568 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,280 Speaker 4: capabilities and not just say like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. No. 1569 01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,200 Speaker 4: There is disciplin it, there is hard work, and there 1570 01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,679 Speaker 4: is like you you sweat blood. 1571 01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:05,960 Speaker 3: That's how it is. 1572 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:10,480 Speaker 4: So but I loved it. I love the physical aspect 1573 01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,880 Speaker 4: of it. I love the challenge of it. I love 1574 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,000 Speaker 4: to meet part of the boys gang and go like, yeah, 1575 01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,880 Speaker 4: let's go out and have fun. Man. You know, you 1576 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,720 Speaker 4: get to do things that you would never get I 1577 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,120 Speaker 4: would never do in real life. 1578 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:23,400 Speaker 3: I don't. 1579 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,040 Speaker 10: I was so pleased to see this clip of you 1580 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,040 Speaker 10: that's going around viral. 1581 01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,080 Speaker 11: I believe you're talking to GQ and you talk about 1582 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,520 Speaker 11: how oh my god. 1583 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:34,719 Speaker 8: That's such a beautiful interview. 1584 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,880 Speaker 11: Yeah, right after you say you love hanging with the boys, 1585 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,439 Speaker 11: I bring up a moment in which you cry, this 1586 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:40,439 Speaker 11: is not to be crossed. 1587 01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,240 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm never going to live this, dun. 1588 01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,240 Speaker 11: But something I loved about that clip was you talk 1589 01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,360 Speaker 11: about how, even just reading the script, all of these 1590 01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,920 Speaker 11: kind of genres are a parent Like there's comedy in it, 1591 01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,200 Speaker 11: there's tragedy, there's martial arts, et cetera. What's crazy to 1592 01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,479 Speaker 11: me is I cannot picture this as a script. So 1593 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,880 Speaker 11: much is going on on screen that I can't picture 1594 01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,599 Speaker 11: that translated to the page. So how much of what 1595 01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,679 Speaker 11: you see in this movie are you surprised to see? 1596 01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,120 Speaker 11: Because I can't picture it all just existing in the script. 1597 01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,400 Speaker 3: I'm not supposed it's all in the script. 1598 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:20,960 Speaker 4: Wow, if you see a picture of my script, Because 1599 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,439 Speaker 4: how I work is like I tag any scene that 1600 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,760 Speaker 4: I'm in and on the side. Normally you know when 1601 01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,479 Speaker 4: you have a script. I was tagg it on the side. 1602 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,559 Speaker 4: So I look at the script and I know, okay, 1603 01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,320 Speaker 4: I am in like thirty of the whatever pages or whatever. 1604 01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,880 Speaker 4: I'm in fifty or something like this. So that's my process. 1605 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,599 Speaker 4: And if it's an action movie, it has like Okay, 1606 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,479 Speaker 4: this is a dramatic scene, it will be tagged in yellow. 1607 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,800 Speaker 3: It is an action scene, it will be tagged in red. 1608 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:52,240 Speaker 4: By that time I finished tagging my script, I first 1609 01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:56,360 Speaker 4: started off with you know, the big stickers, and I found, Okay, 1610 01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,599 Speaker 4: I'm not going to have enough space for this because 1611 01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,400 Speaker 4: in one page there are ten multi. 1612 01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,360 Speaker 3: Universe versus going on. 1613 01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,679 Speaker 4: So I went onto the really it tybt skinny ones 1614 01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,240 Speaker 4: and by the time I finished one day, I'm going 1615 01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,599 Speaker 4: to post that on my Instagram and you guys will 1616 01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:16,160 Speaker 4: see what I mean. My script was tagged all the 1617 01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:20,559 Speaker 4: way around with all the colors of the rainbow because 1618 01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,120 Speaker 4: it's each universe get their own color. 1619 01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:26,479 Speaker 3: And by the end, I was like, what the hell 1620 01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:27,600 Speaker 3: am I dealing with? 1621 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:32,800 Speaker 4: It was I am in every single scene, every single team. 1622 01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,559 Speaker 4: There is like just no, like okay, I can take 1623 01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,479 Speaker 4: the next few days off and wander around and see 1624 01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:40,360 Speaker 4: what's going to happen. It was like no, but it 1625 01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:45,559 Speaker 4: was written like that. The Daniels did not stray. They 1626 01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:49,960 Speaker 4: had a This was like their bible. And remember we 1627 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,320 Speaker 4: are an independent film. Well like, yes, we're in independent 1628 01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,360 Speaker 4: felt mon steroids and probably a. 1629 01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,080 Speaker 3: Lot of it. I don't know what they were feeding them, 1630 01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:00,280 Speaker 3: but the facts. 1631 01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:07,200 Speaker 4: We had eight weeks but thirty seven shooting days. And 1632 01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,120 Speaker 4: you cannot go and do this with all the crazy 1633 01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,400 Speaker 4: things happening, you know, by saying, well, let's see what 1634 01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:15,080 Speaker 4: happens today. 1635 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:15,840 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no. 1636 01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:22,519 Speaker 4: They are their team lacking our DP. You know, the 1637 01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:27,120 Speaker 4: stunt coordinator Tim, you know, with the set designer, the 1638 01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:32,000 Speaker 4: Jason everyone, they all they've been together, they work together. 1639 01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,920 Speaker 4: And Paul our editor. I mean I met his wife 1640 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,240 Speaker 4: and he says, you've been living with us for two years. 1641 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,680 Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, dear, I don't know what to 1642 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:40,280 Speaker 3: say to that. 1643 01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,000 Speaker 4: But they know each other so well, so they know 1644 01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,760 Speaker 4: their editing as they like the martial arts sequences. 1645 01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:49,360 Speaker 3: It's not by accident. 1646 01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,439 Speaker 4: They know how to pull back when they want you 1647 01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,599 Speaker 4: to see and then give you the most intense close ups. 1648 01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:56,000 Speaker 10: Right. 1649 01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,679 Speaker 4: This is not by accident. This is understanding their craft, 1650 01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:04,160 Speaker 4: understanding the different techniques that they can put into this. 1651 01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,919 Speaker 4: When we don't have the money to do special effects, 1652 01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,760 Speaker 4: to do the confetti, blah blah blah, they have confetti 1653 01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:14,760 Speaker 4: coming out of the guy. So it is done with precision, 1654 01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:20,679 Speaker 4: It is done with like great thought and so everything. 1655 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:25,599 Speaker 4: I was surprised to see something, you know what, because 1656 01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,920 Speaker 4: there are so many multiverses going on you when you 1657 01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,800 Speaker 4: see it, you go, oh, oh the link, you know, 1658 01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,880 Speaker 4: like the opera singer. It's like, okay, why am I 1659 01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,080 Speaker 4: suddenly an operas an? You know he was blinded as 1660 01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,479 Speaker 4: a kid. But you only see because when you. 1661 01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,000 Speaker 3: Read it it is at. 1662 01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,559 Speaker 4: Different times of the shot, so you don't see it 1663 01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:48,519 Speaker 4: as a scene and only comes together right at the 1664 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,880 Speaker 4: end when she needs that skill and you see why, 1665 01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,639 Speaker 4: Oh she became blind because she fell on that and 1666 01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,880 Speaker 4: she blinded herself as a kid. So but then the 1667 01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,839 Speaker 4: father taught her another skill, another gift that she had, which. 1668 01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:02,400 Speaker 3: Was her voice. 1669 01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,519 Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, what, it's an opera single got 1670 01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,679 Speaker 4: to do with a skill, Oh, because she can hold 1671 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:12,160 Speaker 4: her breath. So then you know, all these like imagery 1672 01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:17,080 Speaker 4: that you shoot ties in and gives you that, Yes, 1673 01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:22,640 Speaker 4: you are not surprised, but the realization how it is 1674 01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,639 Speaker 4: tied together, that's the beauty of that journey. 1675 01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,799 Speaker 8: I mean, well, speaking of even that moment that Lewis 1676 01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,400 Speaker 8: brought up too. You know, I love how you talk 1677 01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,040 Speaker 8: about how you know this was sort of like a script, 1678 01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,120 Speaker 8: like a role that you'd been waiting for and you 1679 01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,640 Speaker 8: were it was almost like a gift to you. And 1680 01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:47,639 Speaker 8: you've had such a long career with so many different roles. 1681 01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,040 Speaker 8: What would you say you felt like you have been 1682 01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,960 Speaker 8: missing in your roles before this film came along, and 1683 01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,000 Speaker 8: sort of like what do you still feel like you 1684 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,160 Speaker 8: want to do one screen that people maybe haven't given 1685 01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,000 Speaker 8: you the opportunity to because you you know, you you're 1686 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,200 Speaker 8: Michelle Yell like you beat people up, you can fly 1687 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:09,880 Speaker 8: through the sky. 1688 01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:14,400 Speaker 4: You know, No, I think in this particular one why 1689 01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:18,439 Speaker 4: I think where I know that Gqua interview you are 1690 01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:22,360 Speaker 4: talking about it was suddenly that moment, you know when 1691 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:26,719 Speaker 4: you feel that the Daniels they saw me people. 1692 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,960 Speaker 3: You know, you want people to see you and give you. 1693 01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,600 Speaker 4: The opportunity to show you what I am capable of, 1694 01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,719 Speaker 4: And that's what they gave me. It was a very 1695 01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:40,320 Speaker 4: precious gift. And then not just them, they had the 1696 01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,240 Speaker 4: guts to ride it. And then we had a twenty 1697 01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:47,040 Speaker 4: four who believed that their gods were right and Michelle 1698 01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,960 Speaker 4: yo Is crazy enough to want to do this and 1699 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,880 Speaker 4: then to hold out for. 1700 01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:57,080 Speaker 3: A cinema release in these times. You know, we've been 1701 01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:58,559 Speaker 3: we've had a real. 1702 01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,040 Speaker 4: It's been hot the last two years, and I think 1703 01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:09,240 Speaker 4: on many different levels, each person, for families, that disconnection 1704 01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,080 Speaker 4: and finally to be able to it was such a 1705 01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:18,400 Speaker 4: moment of everything, everything just coming together, like the stars aligned, 1706 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:23,040 Speaker 4: and you can't even begin to know who to thank, 1707 01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,320 Speaker 4: but somebody is, like in the universe is looking after 1708 01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:31,120 Speaker 4: this little movie that we pourt so much love into 1709 01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:31,679 Speaker 4: the theater. 1710 01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,000 Speaker 8: I want to tell you, you know, like people are 1711 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:36,800 Speaker 8: going out, how you need. 1712 01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,480 Speaker 3: To watch the movie right? You had shared experience. 1713 01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,639 Speaker 4: It's like going back to our primal days when our 1714 01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,360 Speaker 4: ancestors like were under the stars and they were storytelling 1715 01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,120 Speaker 4: around the campfire. 1716 01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:49,240 Speaker 3: And things like this. 1717 01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,240 Speaker 4: And for us, this is our safe place, you know, 1718 01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,400 Speaker 4: in the cinema where we are with strangers, we are 1719 01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:57,760 Speaker 4: with people that we don't know, all. 1720 01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,760 Speaker 3: Were with our family and people that we love. 1721 01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,719 Speaker 4: But the experience, the shared experience of joy, of pain, 1722 01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,320 Speaker 4: of laughter is so real. 1723 01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,760 Speaker 3: That we feel it with each other. And I think 1724 01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,760 Speaker 3: this was what this movie. 1725 01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,120 Speaker 4: Has come out at an opportune time. 1726 01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:19,920 Speaker 3: Then we can have that what the let's just wah. 1727 01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:20,960 Speaker 4: And they you sit and have a great time. And 1728 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,320 Speaker 4: you're right, you have to see it in the cinemas 1729 01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,439 Speaker 4: and not just once. I think it's I find that 1730 01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,400 Speaker 4: with the first time when you watch it, the intellect 1731 01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,160 Speaker 4: kicks in, the cerebral pot kicks and you. 1732 01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:33,639 Speaker 3: Go like, Okay, I am going to know who and what. 1733 01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:37,920 Speaker 4: And then after like fifteen minutes, you're like, that's when 1734 01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:41,679 Speaker 4: you become like Evelyn Walng And that's what the second 1735 01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,320 Speaker 4: time when you watch it, you're not so like, Okay, 1736 01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,760 Speaker 4: I am prepared to put on the safety belts, be 1737 01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,080 Speaker 4: in for this roller coaster, right, and just go. 1738 01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:52,120 Speaker 3: Aw because now you have an inkling. 1739 01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,960 Speaker 4: Oh, they have to do crazy things or ridiculous things 1740 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,160 Speaker 4: before they can multiverse jump, right, That's all you need 1741 01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:01,599 Speaker 4: to know. And then when they go to that universe, 1742 01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,240 Speaker 4: Evelyn Wong is going to learn a skill that she 1743 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,280 Speaker 4: has never thought that she would possess, and she'll come 1744 01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,680 Speaker 4: back here and do all these like crazy things that 1745 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,519 Speaker 4: fight for humanity and fight for the people that she loves. 1746 01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,600 Speaker 3: Let's see, and the core of the story. 1747 01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:19,479 Speaker 4: Is that it is the familiar connections that we all 1748 01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,200 Speaker 4: find so relatable. 1749 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:26,200 Speaker 11: With speaking of skills, you mentioned something in your interview 1750 01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:29,880 Speaker 11: magazine feature with Paul Giamatti where you talk about who 1751 01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:32,120 Speaker 11: I mean, that's so rad that you talk to him 1752 01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,799 Speaker 11: for that, But you mentioned how you mastered a calm, 1753 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:39,280 Speaker 11: serene look for when you do martial arts, and in 1754 01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:43,080 Speaker 11: this movie you have to merge the martial arts with comedy, 1755 01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:47,000 Speaker 11: with you know, confusion, since this character is perpetually confused 1756 01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,519 Speaker 11: for the movie. And to me, that sounds almost like 1757 01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,840 Speaker 11: the hardest part, like having to mesh like a comic 1758 01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:57,000 Speaker 11: sensibility with like how hard the martial arts is. And 1759 01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,400 Speaker 11: I was wondering, like did that take five hundred to 1760 01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,360 Speaker 11: get right? To get all of that right lined up? 1761 01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,040 Speaker 11: Because you just said you had no time to make 1762 01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:04,759 Speaker 11: this movie either. 1763 01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:06,760 Speaker 3: No, you remember this is. 1764 01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,679 Speaker 4: And you don't have the luxury of so many takes. 1765 01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,360 Speaker 4: You know, you have to get it right. And I 1766 01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:16,720 Speaker 4: think because we and all it takes is the Daniels, 1767 01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:18,920 Speaker 4: and this is what I say to them every day. 1768 01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,559 Speaker 3: At the beginning, I'm going to be confused because you're 1769 01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,559 Speaker 3: going to be like multi jumping me. 1770 01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,400 Speaker 4: I know the gist of it, but you have you're 1771 01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:28,160 Speaker 4: like my, my my anchors. 1772 01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:30,560 Speaker 3: Right, you too are going to hold my hand and 1773 01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,320 Speaker 3: you're going to bring me back when I need to 1774 01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,639 Speaker 3: come back, and you this is what you do. 1775 01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,720 Speaker 4: You are the directors, remember that, right, you are very 1776 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,200 Speaker 4: simply the directors. Don't play mess with my head. It's 1777 01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,080 Speaker 4: already messed up enough. So when that happens, you know, 1778 01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,880 Speaker 4: when you jump into the universe. When I fight, I automatically, 1779 01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,280 Speaker 4: it's very because that's what we've been trained to do 1780 01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,519 Speaker 4: all this time. It's like when you fight, you maintain 1781 01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,639 Speaker 4: because you are the mentor, you are the teacher. You 1782 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,000 Speaker 4: are the number one martial artists, So you don't. 1783 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, you don't. 1784 01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,879 Speaker 4: You don't flinch when a punch comes at you. 1785 01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,439 Speaker 3: You you learn to do it with the zen like quality. Right. 1786 01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,759 Speaker 4: So, and I'm fighting with Jamie and she's the best. 1787 01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,920 Speaker 4: She's fun, she's like gung host, She's like willing to 1788 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,320 Speaker 4: do this, and then the Daniels come up to me 1789 01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,960 Speaker 4: and she's like, uh, But Evelyn Wong doesn't know how 1790 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:27,040 Speaker 4: to fight. So you know, when she gets the skill, 1791 01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:32,320 Speaker 4: her face is registering the confusion of why the hell 1792 01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:36,800 Speaker 4: are my hands doing these like incredible things? And I 1793 01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,200 Speaker 4: have no control. You know, it's like the whole story 1794 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,559 Speaker 4: when she's talking about Rakacuni and all those kind of things. 1795 01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,400 Speaker 3: Like so when you get into your head and then 1796 01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:44,639 Speaker 3: they make you do all these things. 1797 01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:46,479 Speaker 4: And you don't realize what you're doing, and every really like, 1798 01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,559 Speaker 4: what the hell are you talking about? So I have 1799 01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,240 Speaker 4: to register the what frig is going on here? 1800 01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:54,479 Speaker 3: And then you so wow, I could do all this. 1801 01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:58,200 Speaker 4: You know from the change of expression, you are suddenly 1802 01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:01,360 Speaker 4: Evelyn Wong who have got this new skills and then 1803 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,280 Speaker 4: able to do all these physical things. Yes, you learn 1804 01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,320 Speaker 4: to fracture your mind, you learn to like split it. 1805 01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,280 Speaker 4: It's like body does this, face does this, and that 1806 01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:14,320 Speaker 4: is going to how it is worked. So that was 1807 01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,479 Speaker 4: the great challenge. But that's why I signed up for 1808 01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,720 Speaker 4: the movie, was the challenge of doing things that I 1809 01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:19,599 Speaker 4: had not done before. 1810 01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,360 Speaker 8: I want to talk a bit about you run the 1811 01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,559 Speaker 8: gambut on people you've worked with, you know, like you 1812 01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,040 Speaker 8: started out, you know, you said working with like you know, 1813 01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:31,120 Speaker 8: like Sabo Kang, you know, like as like a director 1814 01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:34,559 Speaker 8: and also like doing stunts early on, and then you 1815 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,080 Speaker 8: I feel like you got to work with so many 1816 01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,800 Speaker 8: icons and like the Hong Kong cinema world when you 1817 01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:46,439 Speaker 8: did Crouching Tiger, what was that experience, like, you know, 1818 01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:50,960 Speaker 8: working with Angley and also you know, just having him 1819 01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:56,800 Speaker 8: bring together so many people who done films, you know, 1820 01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:01,280 Speaker 8: Hong Kong like cinema for for years now, all sort 1821 01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:04,200 Speaker 8: of in one movie. Being able to work together. 1822 01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,000 Speaker 3: Working in with Angli is like poetry in motion. 1823 01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:13,120 Speaker 4: You know, he is he the way he loves cinema, 1824 01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:17,439 Speaker 4: the way he loves the humanity and the storytelling him 1825 01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,479 Speaker 4: you look at it is a very intimate movie. It's 1826 01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:26,920 Speaker 4: about literally three people. For Jade Fox being the antagonist, right, 1827 01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:29,439 Speaker 4: It's about me moved by Yusilia and that I play, 1828 01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:32,960 Speaker 4: and junk Ki and her young lover. So it's about 1829 01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:37,200 Speaker 4: what is important and the martial arts world. And that 1830 01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,519 Speaker 4: was what Angli was trying to do. He was trying 1831 01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:44,120 Speaker 4: to present to the world something that he knew as 1832 01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:47,000 Speaker 4: a child. The martial arts world is not something that 1833 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,599 Speaker 4: the West would know. But when I first spoke with him, 1834 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,760 Speaker 4: he said to me, I wanted to do sense and. 1835 01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,040 Speaker 3: Sensibility with martial arts. 1836 01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,719 Speaker 4: That was when I was I was doing the press 1837 01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:01,240 Speaker 4: for Tomorrow and Ever Dies, one of the most incredible 1838 01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,519 Speaker 4: movie that any actress would want to be part of. 1839 01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:07,880 Speaker 3: And I waited two years. I didn't do another movie 1840 01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,800 Speaker 3: after that, waiting for Angry because we. 1841 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,320 Speaker 4: All believed in him. We all believed in his vision, 1842 01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,080 Speaker 4: and we all wanted to make it happen. Show your 1843 01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:22,839 Speaker 4: fat myself, Peter Howe will calm. We all came together 1844 01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,320 Speaker 4: to say we want the rest of the world to 1845 01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:26,639 Speaker 4: embrace our culture. 1846 01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:27,240 Speaker 3: In that way. 1847 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,840 Speaker 4: It was one of the best, one of the most poignant, 1848 01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,360 Speaker 4: one of the most beautiful, but one of the most 1849 01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:38,280 Speaker 4: painful experiences because I tore my acl after the first 1850 01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,000 Speaker 4: action sequence when I was, you know, around. 1851 01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,320 Speaker 3: The wall, and I run up the wall and down. 1852 01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,759 Speaker 4: The wall, and then I think, when you're on the wire, 1853 01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:47,880 Speaker 4: off the wire, on the wire, off the wire, your 1854 01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:49,080 Speaker 4: body gets so confused. 1855 01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:50,719 Speaker 3: Your mind is like where the hell is it going? 1856 01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:50,960 Speaker 3: You know? 1857 01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,719 Speaker 4: One time I jump and I'm soaring in the sky. 1858 01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,280 Speaker 4: Next time I jump, my land thud, and like, like 1859 01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,880 Speaker 4: what happened to you? How come I can't fly? And 1860 01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,640 Speaker 4: it was the last day of the shoot. My it 1861 01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:07,439 Speaker 4: felt like someone clubbed my knee. I fell to the 1862 01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,479 Speaker 4: ground and I was fighting with the stun double and 1863 01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,600 Speaker 4: I was like, why did you kill me. 1864 01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,439 Speaker 3: And the poor guy was so horrified. He was like, 1865 01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:15,840 Speaker 3: I didn't touch you. 1866 01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,400 Speaker 4: I did it, and I thought, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm 1867 01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,800 Speaker 4: sorry you didn't There was no way because we were 1868 01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:24,880 Speaker 4: both doing it at a distance. But upon master Union 1869 01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:29,040 Speaker 4: Pain was our stunned choreographer's co ordinature at that time, 1870 01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,400 Speaker 4: and Angie, who was the editor, they went frame were 1871 01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,880 Speaker 4: framed to understand how was that possible that you know 1872 01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,679 Speaker 4: a simple thing that, But that's always the case. 1873 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,920 Speaker 3: The simplest motions are the ones that you get into 1874 01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:42,479 Speaker 3: trouble with. 1875 01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,400 Speaker 4: And in one of the shots, they saw that my 1876 01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,200 Speaker 4: leg when I was doing the front jump kick had 1877 01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:53,639 Speaker 4: just touched his leg, which probably that split second which 1878 01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,400 Speaker 4: I really didn't even know or notice, right and when 1879 01:39:56,479 --> 01:40:01,040 Speaker 4: I landed, it just wiped me out. And it was 1880 01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:05,960 Speaker 4: most also painful but beautiful because ang could have changed 1881 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,320 Speaker 4: to me because I had only done that action sequence 1882 01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,679 Speaker 4: and action sequences with the artistry of master Uni Oppin, 1883 01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,519 Speaker 4: he could double it. You know, they could take all 1884 01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,640 Speaker 4: the shots and then make another person look like it 1885 01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:20,599 Speaker 4: was them who was fighting, and they could have done 1886 01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,080 Speaker 4: that easily. But I will never forget when I was 1887 01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:27,400 Speaker 4: in in Johns Hopkins with the specialists who said, I 1888 01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:30,920 Speaker 4: can wrap your leg up, your knee up because your 1889 01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:36,240 Speaker 4: acl is gone. It's not just like torn it's like 1890 01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,240 Speaker 4: you basically you can run, you can't jump, you can't 1891 01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,519 Speaker 4: do sudden stops. You can walk gently, and that's about it. 1892 01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,800 Speaker 4: And you're like, I'm doing a martial arts movie. That's 1893 01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,679 Speaker 4: not possible, right, So Ang and Bill Kong, our producer 1894 01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:52,040 Speaker 4: at that time, just turn around and say, do what 1895 01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,680 Speaker 4: you need to do, get them fixed you up, and 1896 01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:55,559 Speaker 4: we will wait for you. 1897 01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:01,960 Speaker 10: Thank god they did. My god, God, what a movie. 1898 01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:03,360 Speaker 10: Uh yeah, incredible. 1899 01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:06,000 Speaker 11: No, as far as I'm concerned, there's also no second 1900 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,680 Speaker 11: one of that movie. I just remember that was a 1901 01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:10,120 Speaker 11: movie that you came out and everybody I know had 1902 01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:11,800 Speaker 11: to see it, and it was like, wait, now I 1903 01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,680 Speaker 11: have to research every movie that's ever been like this 1904 01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,519 Speaker 11: in history. It was such an education for everybody. So 1905 01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:20,160 Speaker 11: you really ushered in something for a lot of film viewers. 1906 01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:23,000 Speaker 11: I said, I'm looking through your filmography, truly, most of 1907 01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:24,840 Speaker 11: the things you have done of your career seem like 1908 01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:30,280 Speaker 11: the most time consuming and bodily harmful things ever. Like 1909 01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,640 Speaker 11: there are a couple of movies here like you were 1910 01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:34,400 Speaker 11: in last Christmas a couple of years ago or whatever, 1911 01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:36,920 Speaker 11: or like, okay, maybe that was only a couple of weeks. 1912 01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:39,080 Speaker 11: But I just want to remind you movies don't have 1913 01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,639 Speaker 11: to be like the most stressful situation of your life. 1914 01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,000 Speaker 11: I just want to say that. And I was wondering, 1915 01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,920 Speaker 11: are you craving just kind of like, I don't know, 1916 01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:47,559 Speaker 11: a rom com something that. 1917 01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,799 Speaker 10: Like you know, is just in an earthly normal realm. 1918 01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:55,840 Speaker 12: Ever, absolutely I would love to do that, you know, Yes, 1919 01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:01,000 Speaker 12: I was sounding yes, mean that I have to. 1920 01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,320 Speaker 3: Choose one over the other. 1921 01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:06,080 Speaker 4: I hope not good, right, because you know, I love 1922 01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:09,679 Speaker 4: the challenges of being of doing things and it's nice. 1923 01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,519 Speaker 4: I would love to do a rom com in a 1924 01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,360 Speaker 4: musical or something like that. 1925 01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:16,360 Speaker 3: It would be so fun. And you're right, it doesn't 1926 01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,240 Speaker 3: always have to be physical. 1927 01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,920 Speaker 4: And you know, maybe a threat of being injured or 1928 01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,080 Speaker 4: things like that, and it would be so nice just 1929 01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:27,719 Speaker 4: to do something that's like intimate and fun and loving. 1930 01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:29,800 Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm glad. 1931 01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,000 Speaker 11: I'm glad to hear that because even looking at crazy 1932 01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:35,120 Speaker 11: Rich Asians, I'm like, that's like the most gigantic production ever, 1933 01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:37,439 Speaker 11: Like even that movie, which could be you know, just 1934 01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:40,839 Speaker 11: a thought. A quote unquote fun movie seems incredibly demanding 1935 01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:42,519 Speaker 11: based on how much time it must have taken the. 1936 01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:47,280 Speaker 8: Place, the scene alone, you know, place like the choreography 1937 01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:48,400 Speaker 8: that I feel like I have to go into that. 1938 01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,559 Speaker 4: Yah. No, you know, it's the thought that goes behind, 1939 01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:55,559 Speaker 4: is the respect that you give that culture, what is 1940 01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:58,320 Speaker 4: important to that culture. Majong is very important to the 1941 01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:02,120 Speaker 4: Chinese culture. And it's not just a game. There's much 1942 01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,880 Speaker 4: that goes on behind that game. It's like bridge, you know, 1943 01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,599 Speaker 4: it's like backgammon, It's like all these kind of things, Chess, 1944 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,160 Speaker 4: Why do you play? This is a battle of wits 1945 01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,760 Speaker 4: and it's you know, it's like very reminiscent a bit 1946 01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,519 Speaker 4: of memoirs of a geisha when I was negotiating with 1947 01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:21,160 Speaker 4: the mama son about Sayuri and you know, bringing her 1948 01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:24,759 Speaker 4: in and we were just like tossing the tea cups 1949 01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,200 Speaker 4: around you, like pushing to you and coming back to me. 1950 01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:30,839 Speaker 4: And it is a battle where there is no physical fighting, 1951 01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:36,439 Speaker 4: but the battle is there in how you handle the 1952 01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:40,320 Speaker 4: cards and things like that, and what are the innuendos 1953 01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,200 Speaker 4: of the dialogue? No, so in that you know, it's 1954 01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:44,880 Speaker 4: interesting because in this movie. 1955 01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:48,439 Speaker 3: I get to be funny. I get to do physical 1956 01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:50,760 Speaker 3: comedy in everything everywhere, all at once. 1957 01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,960 Speaker 4: Like in Crazy Richass, everybody is having a wild time 1958 01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,640 Speaker 4: and I get to play the most serious, like you know, 1959 01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:58,160 Speaker 4: scary part. 1960 01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,280 Speaker 3: Them to the beach party. 1961 01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:03,080 Speaker 1: Man, come on. 1962 01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:09,280 Speaker 8: I would be interested to know, like what kind of 1963 01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:13,280 Speaker 8: like films do you consume. You know, you're you're you're 1964 01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:17,400 Speaker 8: known for, you know, you know, the martial arts films 1965 01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:21,000 Speaker 8: that are you know, the very involved in technical but 1966 01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:24,439 Speaker 8: like when Michelle Yo is at home, like what are 1967 01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:26,760 Speaker 8: you watching? Like what interests you? 1968 01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:27,799 Speaker 3: Haha? 1969 01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:32,040 Speaker 4: Actually I watch anything. I'm such a movie boff. I mean, 1970 01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,080 Speaker 4: I would go to the cinemas by myself and I 1971 01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:37,439 Speaker 4: constantly do. Maybe one thing that was surprised to you 1972 01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:39,160 Speaker 4: is that I love horror films. 1973 01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:39,599 Speaker 8: Hmmm. 1974 01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:42,720 Speaker 3: I would go and watch a. 1975 01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:45,800 Speaker 4: Horror film by myself, wondering. I sit close to the door, 1976 01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:47,840 Speaker 4: I sit right at the back when there's no one who. 1977 01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:50,400 Speaker 11: I love. 1978 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:54,320 Speaker 4: I love druma, I love mysteries, I love thrillers. I 1979 01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:58,719 Speaker 4: just basically love the thrill of being in the cinema. 1980 01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,600 Speaker 4: I just love that experience because it's a way of escapism, 1981 01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:08,400 Speaker 4: you know, the magic of not having to just enjoying 1982 01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:14,000 Speaker 4: something a story. I love musicals, I love everything, so 1983 01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:18,280 Speaker 4: I watch anything now I'm even watching you know, baking shows. 1984 01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,680 Speaker 4: It's like, what the hell happened to me? 1985 01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,200 Speaker 8: Well, I mean, like you're this is a twenty four film, 1986 01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:26,280 Speaker 8: and you've just announ said you love horror films. So 1987 01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,320 Speaker 8: I feel like in two years we will see you 1988 01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,719 Speaker 8: in some a twenty four horror film where you're torturing 1989 01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:32,799 Speaker 8: your family or something. 1990 01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,880 Speaker 4: I am, I am a little bit. I don't want 1991 01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:40,280 Speaker 4: to dwell in the realm of others, you know what 1992 01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,080 Speaker 4: I mean. I love Mutch them, but I don't want 1993 01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:44,360 Speaker 4: to be invited into. 1994 01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:53,160 Speaker 3: Well. 1995 01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,120 Speaker 11: I just I just want to say, your enthusiasm for 1996 01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:57,519 Speaker 11: all these different types of movies totally comes across in 1997 01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,280 Speaker 11: this movie, and like, only I think only somebody who 1998 01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:04,000 Speaker 11: has that that fervor and that zeal for movies could 1999 01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,599 Speaker 11: give a performance like so, I thank you so much 2000 01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:06,880 Speaker 11: for that. 2001 01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:09,439 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, thank you. 2002 01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:11,719 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I just but it's true. 2003 01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:16,400 Speaker 4: I think with this movie, we all just literally looked 2004 01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:20,400 Speaker 4: at each other, Yes, like with Key with Jamie, with 2005 01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:25,600 Speaker 4: Stephanie and James Hong, and we looked and. 2006 01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:26,720 Speaker 3: Harry Shan as well. 2007 01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,280 Speaker 4: Right, we just looked at each other and go like, yes, 2008 01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:34,439 Speaker 4: we are unapologetic with the silliness, the wranchiness or whatever 2009 01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:36,960 Speaker 4: it is, and let's just have a great time. 2010 01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:38,640 Speaker 3: Let's believe in this. 2011 01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:41,519 Speaker 4: And we literally held hands to say dance the way, 2012 01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:44,000 Speaker 4: go let's jump in, and we all grabbed the Daniels. 2013 01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:48,600 Speaker 4: Why the like, ah, that was the only thing you 2014 01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,680 Speaker 4: could do it. It's like to be fearless, right, and 2015 01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,920 Speaker 4: in that way we empower each other. 2016 01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,040 Speaker 3: We just go for it, and we did. 2017 01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:59,240 Speaker 10: We went for it absolutely. 2018 01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,040 Speaker 8: Lastly, I just feel like, you know, you've done so much. 2019 01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,000 Speaker 8: Are there things? Are there things that like are there 2020 01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,280 Speaker 8: films that you're known so much for, you know, like 2021 01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:15,120 Speaker 8: Crouching Tiger, you know, and like now this film, like 2022 01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:18,160 Speaker 8: you know, it's like genre bending films that are you know, 2023 01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:20,680 Speaker 8: like introducing people to like a whole new way of 2024 01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:24,800 Speaker 8: seeing the cinema. Is there like a film that you've 2025 01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,280 Speaker 8: done in your career that you feel like, you know, 2026 01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:31,400 Speaker 8: sort of like you wish more it gotten more attention, 2027 01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:34,000 Speaker 8: or something that you really look fondly back on and 2028 01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:35,720 Speaker 8: you're like, I had, you know, I had a really 2029 01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:38,280 Speaker 8: great time making this film, right. 2030 01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:39,920 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you know that. 2031 01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:42,960 Speaker 4: When we've set out to do a film, obviously you 2032 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,679 Speaker 4: want the best for it to happen. And the best 2033 01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:48,400 Speaker 4: for a movie is like to get the best box office, right. 2034 01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,600 Speaker 4: I mean it is show business. I mean that's the 2035 01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,639 Speaker 4: reality of it. It's like we we do it because 2036 01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,280 Speaker 4: we want people to be able to embrace it and say, yes, 2037 01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:59,040 Speaker 4: this is And sometimes you do movies where maybe it's 2038 01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:01,040 Speaker 4: a little bit ahead of time and people are like, 2039 01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:05,360 Speaker 4: oh what you know, maybe like the Heroic Trio. I 2040 01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:08,880 Speaker 4: had the best time making that. One particular favorite of 2041 01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,600 Speaker 4: mine is Reign of Assassins that I did with the 2042 01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:17,200 Speaker 4: Jungusung and John John Wu and Damu was the director, 2043 01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:23,000 Speaker 4: and I felt that there was so much part in 2044 01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:26,640 Speaker 4: that film and I really wished more people saw it. 2045 01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:30,720 Speaker 3: And another one is The Lady that was directed by the. 2046 01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:35,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's such a that's such a It's I feel 2047 01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:44,679 Speaker 8: like it's such an outliers like a LUs On film, because. 2048 01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:45,200 Speaker 4: If you think about it, as artists, you have to explore, 2049 01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,519 Speaker 4: you have to do things out of your comfort zone. 2050 01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,120 Speaker 3: He can't just do Taxi Driver the whole time, right, 2051 01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:53,080 Speaker 3: I mean for Alment, the whole time. Yes he could, 2052 01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:54,519 Speaker 3: and he's great at it. 2053 01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:56,800 Speaker 4: But then you know, sometimes you have to do something 2054 01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:00,960 Speaker 4: that's so but he did that with love and heart. 2055 01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:03,639 Speaker 4: There was a story that he really really wanted to tell, 2056 01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:05,960 Speaker 4: and so did I and that's how we came together 2057 01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:08,960 Speaker 4: to do The Lady, which was about the Burmese desident 2058 01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:10,479 Speaker 4: dos Bansan Succi. 2059 01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:11,559 Speaker 8: Mhm. 2060 01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:12,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2061 01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:14,479 Speaker 10: Fabulous performance by the way. 2062 01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:17,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a gorgeous film. I mean, 2063 01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:20,240 Speaker 8: and we can say that about so many things you've done. 2064 01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,519 Speaker 8: I mean, I just want to reiterate that, like, this 2065 01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:28,599 Speaker 8: movie is mind blowing. I am definitely going to have 2066 01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,320 Speaker 8: to see it again. Uh, and I you know, I've 2067 01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:35,680 Speaker 8: just been everyone. It's it's been a while since a 2068 01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:39,240 Speaker 8: film has like been released that I feel like I 2069 01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:43,640 Speaker 8: am constantly getting text from friends being like do you 2070 01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:45,880 Speaker 8: want to go see this movie? Or have you seen 2071 01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:48,280 Speaker 8: this movie? Or they're like if you haven't seen it, 2072 01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:49,240 Speaker 8: I'll see it again. 2073 01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:50,639 Speaker 3: Wow. 2074 01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:54,320 Speaker 8: It's I think it's just a really really beautiful. 2075 01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:57,479 Speaker 3: Film that is amazing, because that is what we hope 2076 01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:57,840 Speaker 3: we see. 2077 01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:02,000 Speaker 4: You know, what we need now is more convers between people, 2078 01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:07,320 Speaker 4: you know, like good wonderful shared ideas and you know, like, 2079 01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:09,000 Speaker 4: how did you see that part? 2080 01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:09,920 Speaker 3: Did you realize this? 2081 01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,479 Speaker 4: And you know, and not to be left out, what 2082 01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:14,120 Speaker 4: do you mean you didn't see you better go watch 2083 01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:15,120 Speaker 4: it before you can join. 2084 01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:20,679 Speaker 3: And that's so great and that's what I love about 2085 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:20,960 Speaker 3: you know. 2086 01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:24,840 Speaker 4: Yes, there's so many different reasons, the Internet, the word 2087 01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,920 Speaker 4: of mouth, and it's so important because we have real 2088 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:32,160 Speaker 4: conversations with each other, with family, with friends, and sometimes 2089 01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:35,960 Speaker 4: even with strangers because we are having a shared experience. 2090 01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,800 Speaker 3: So this is that's fantastic. I'm so glad to hear it. 2091 01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:43,479 Speaker 8: Yeah, well, thank you so much being here with us. 2092 01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:45,599 Speaker 8: I mean, there's truly an honor to talk to you today. 2093 01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:47,400 Speaker 3: Nice talking to you guys. 2094 01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,839 Speaker 8: Yes, thank you, thank you. 2095 01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:05,240 Speaker 1: That's it for this special bonus episode of X ray Vision. 2096 01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:07,640 Speaker 1: Catch the next episode on Wednesday, March fifteenth for the 2097 01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:10,240 Speaker 1: last of US finale. 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