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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and I'm in the beautiful state of

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Speaker 1: Oregon with my good friend Ron Hewitt. Now. Ron is

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Speaker 1: a man who I admire and look up to. He's

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Speaker 1: like almost like a grandfather type figure to me, or

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Speaker 1: a fatherly figure. You know, my dad, my grandfathers have

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Speaker 1: all long passed away, and I feel like that's something

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Speaker 1: that's important in a person's life, is to have someone

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Speaker 1: like that to talk to and to talk about life

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Speaker 1: and hunting and and just you know, we've been bouncing

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Speaker 1: ideas off each other all weekend here, you know, talking

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Speaker 1: about just life, life decisions and and things we did

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Speaker 1: in life. And it's awesome to have that kind of

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Speaker 1: a person to talk to. And I think I think

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Speaker 1: society today kind of misses out on some of that.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's such a big push with some political

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Speaker 1: folks to take down the patriarchy and all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's that's it's an important thing we

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Speaker 1: all need in our life because we can learn a

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Speaker 1: lot from the people who've done things a lot longer

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Speaker 1: than we have and have kind of learned went through life,

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Speaker 1: done some things, made mistakes, made the right choices, and

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Speaker 1: here we are talking about turkey hunting and elk hunting.

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Speaker 1: What am I doing in Oregon? Well, I'm over here

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Speaker 1: at Ron's every year for the last four years he's

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Speaker 1: hosted me. He's like, you know, you got to come

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Speaker 1: over and go turkey hunting. It seems like we're kind

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Speaker 1: of hit and miss. You know what, one year I'll

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Speaker 1: get one and one year I won't. One year I

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Speaker 1: get two, and one year I don't, you know, and

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Speaker 1: kind of back and forth. But it wasn't for a

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Speaker 1: lack of opportunity. Sometimes I'm just not the straightest of

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Speaker 1: shooters with a shotgun, Like how do you miss a

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Speaker 1: turkey with a shotgun? But anyway, welcome to the show. Ron.

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Speaker 1: I've talked a lot about you on I've talked to

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Speaker 1: you about you on my podcast. I've talked to you

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Speaker 1: about you on Jim Huntsman's podcast because Jim knows you,

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Speaker 1: and I finally I've got you on the podcast to

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Speaker 1: talk to you. So welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Derek. I really appreciate it, and I love talking

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Speaker 2: with young people like you that are excited about I

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Speaker 2: call you young because I'm twenty two years older. But

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that and the fact that you want to

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Speaker 2: mentor people and help them, and that you're love for

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Speaker 2: hunting in life and your love for happiness and family.

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Speaker 2: It really means a lot to me. Your friendship means

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Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy where people people's lives intersect and we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about your life, We've been talking about my life,

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Speaker 1: you know, and non hunting life, and you know where

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Speaker 1: we've lived, what we've done for work, all these different

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Speaker 1: things places we've been, and it's funny we have these

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Speaker 1: little places in our lives that have intersected. And we

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Speaker 1: didn't know each other. We still had never known each

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Speaker 1: other or ever knew of each other, ever existed until

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Speaker 1: I think it was a few several years ago. On

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Speaker 1: both side, there's a there's a forum online forum called

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Speaker 1: read people's comments on topics and questions, and I'd try

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Speaker 1: to put in my two cents, and one day Ron

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Speaker 1: messages me direct messages me on there and said, so,

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Speaker 1: I think you talked to something about you know, this

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Speaker 1: area in North Idaho that I hunted and wondered if

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Speaker 1: and wondered, you know, wanted to kind of compare a

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Speaker 1: little bit of notes, and we kind of start talking

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Speaker 1: were like a couple of little schoolgirls, you know, and

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Speaker 1: we look nothing like schoolgirls, but we sat there and

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Speaker 1: we'd like we'd love to go and their experiences those

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Speaker 1: then you started inviting me over, so ye must.

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Speaker 2: Need to come over and try turkey hunting the way

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Speaker 2: I hunt turkeys in Oregon, not just sitting waiting for

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Speaker 2: them to come to you, right, but finding them right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And and let's face it, you know there's people.

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Speaker 1: There's the camp that loves turkey hunting, and then there's

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Speaker 1: like people that say turkey hunting stupid or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: then they hear the comparison of elk hunting versus turkey hunting,

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Speaker 1: and people say, you know, there's a lot of similarities.

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Speaker 1: You know, they they're kind of like hunting elk in

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Speaker 2: A lot of similarities. Is the way we hunt, the

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Speaker 2: way you and I hunt both of them. Yeah, very

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Speaker 2: similar yes, yes, And why I like turkey hunting. What

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Speaker 2: I like about turkey hunting, Let's say, let's say this.

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Speaker 2: What I like about turkey hunting is it's one of

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Speaker 1: Year to be in the woods and the fall. I

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Speaker 1: love elk hunting and deer hunting. The food the fall,

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Speaker 1: like in September is amazing. You know, you're getting those

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Speaker 1: those crisp mornings of fall. You still hear birds, you

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Speaker 1: October November, and it gets colder. Now the bugs are

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Speaker 1: going dormant, the birds have left, and it's quiet. It's

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Speaker 1: of sets the stage for me. Things get quiet. Life

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Speaker 1: I've always been like this, you know, lots of driving

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Speaker 1: to hibernate. Now I'm gonna dedicate all this time to

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Speaker 1: wake up because it's been a little colder. You still

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Speaker 1: have a little snow on the ground. This year, there's

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Speaker 1: But today, today, but the last two days, was this frigid,

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Speaker 1: it's like, man, it's so pretty out, but dang, I'm

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Speaker 2: You either thought it was the middle of November.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right right? Is that cold? But that's what I

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Speaker 1: me out there. I get to enjoy the woods, waking

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Speaker 1: I spend time with my friends and people I love

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Speaker 1: and enjoy their companionship. And guess what, we're chasing this

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Speaker 1: Is that kind of how you see turkey hunting or

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Speaker 1: what do you like about turkey hunting?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I started turkey hunting back in about

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one or ninety two, and it was the

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Speaker 2: fact that I'd been hunting elk, beagling for elk, and

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Speaker 2: I knew turkey's gobbled and you can make them gobble. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this was I'm going, Okay, I want I want to

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Speaker 2: and I started hunting them, and the gobble on the

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Speaker 2: it's really exciting. And that was what really drew me

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Speaker 2: to it, is that the similar is between calling elkin

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Speaker 2: really hard hunting. You can't hear anything, and it's kind

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Speaker 2: that's the draw for me, is to I just love

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, while I'm turkey hunting, then I'll

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Speaker 1: be going along. And we got these turkeys coming in

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Speaker 1: or we're calling to these turkeys. And the funny part,

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Speaker 1: the elk hunter brain in me immediately says, the wind

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Speaker 1: is wrong. They're gonna smell me. I like, the turkeys

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Speaker 1: are coming from this way, They're gonna smell me, like

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Speaker 1: like immediately, that's the first thing that enters my head,

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Speaker 1: like the wind's wrong. We got to move, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're hunting turkeys. It's it's that funny little

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Speaker 1: hunter instinct. Like I've been hunting elk for thirty five years.

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Speaker 1: I've been hunting. I've been hunting turkeys longer than that.

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Speaker 1: If you can believe that, I've been hunting turkeys longer

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Speaker 1: than that, really, and I've been more successful successful hunting

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Speaker 1: turkeys than elk. I mean, excuse me, elk than turkeys.

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Speaker 1: I've killed more elk than I have turkey. I've killed

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Speaker 1: lot of turkeys, but I've killed way more elk. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: there's the little things that trick in my brain while

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Speaker 1: elk hunting trigger as well during turkey hunting. The turkey's

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Speaker 1: coming in down when we got to move, Oh you don't,

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Speaker 1: it's a turkey. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I have to

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Speaker 1: getting closer and getting gobbling, and I start feeling that

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Speaker 1: and I start feeling my breathing change, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel that same same feeling when I'm

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of anticipation there. There is, Like I

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Speaker 1: do you think So do you think hunting turkeys is

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Speaker 2: Oh I think it is. I mean, obviously there's a

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Speaker 2: an elk. But the turkeys, like you say, they can't smell,

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Speaker 1: Now, when turkeys hang up, elk hang up, they I

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Speaker 2: I agree, because the turkey's head is always moving. They're

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Speaker 2: It's red, you know. I get my gun up on

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Speaker 2: do that for five minutes at least?

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Speaker 2: And that was the end of the story on that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but well that was so close, and that

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Speaker 2: I could have shot him through the tree if I

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Speaker 1: Was right right, and that as responsible sportsman hunters, we

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Speaker 1: You know, we and it's it's easy to make that

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Speaker 2: So and like yesterday, I you know, if I did

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Speaker 2: Well, in all fairness on that one, it wasn't It

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Speaker 1: And I'm used to judging elk yard bigger than judge. Yeah,

430
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, you're gonna try to look

431
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 1: at this little bird compared to an elk, and you're like,

432
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: I think that's close enough.

433
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: No, when you shot, you thought it was a robbin

434
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 2: out there.

435
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, shoot, but you know that is one mistake

436
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: I made for sure. So fast fast forward. That was

437
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: opening morning, yep. And we had all this hope and

438
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: all this We felt pretty good about it, and then

439
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: just our opportunity slipped us by, and then those turkeys

440
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: they kept gobbling. But man, those things will cover country

441
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: like they took off. They took off. They didn't ever run,

442
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: but they were at Turkey just walking a normal pace.

443
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: Once.

444
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: If they're not feeding, they just kind of start walking.

445
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: They will outdistance you, kind of like an help easily.

446
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, we kind of followen over to they dropped

447
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: into the next canyon and we could hear them over

448
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: there at times, and they kind of disappeared. Here's something

449
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: across the canyon, and then they shut up and it's

450
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: like then the wind started picking up, which makes it

451
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: just about impossible to hear across the canyons. So what

452
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: we decided to bail out of there and head to

453
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 2: another area. I knew that was more sheltered, and I

454
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: have cameras set up there and I can I kind

455
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 2: of watch what time they come through these areas, you know,

456
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 2: just to have an idea of when to be around

457
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 2: to call him. And went up to another area and

458
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: set there, and what we called for our hour and

459
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. Yeah, you know, Dirk's setting under the tree,

460
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: all cameled with a shot and up ready and wait,

461
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: and Ron's leaning against a different tree, kind of gazing around.

462
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: Pretty soon he gets cold, so he slips out in

463
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 2: the sunshine and takes his pack out there and lays

464
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: it down. He falls asleep, and I look over. Here's

465
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: Dirk still diligent over there.

466
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: So yep, yep, I says, I had the shotgun. Like

467
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: I as much as I want to crawl out in

468
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: the sun and warm up, I was freezing it out.

469
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: There was cold wind, I was not dressed right. I

470
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: had my lightweight warm weather turkey gear on and it

471
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: was it was frigid.

472
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we, like I say, we called for an

473
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 2: hour and twenty minutes and I said, you know, normally

474
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: they if they're going to come in or hear us,

475
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 2: they'll be here by now. So yeah, let's go. We'll

476
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: go up another little draw and hit hit another hollow

477
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: that's sheltered again. And what we get down there and

478
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: walking along and turkles and were looking. It was really

479
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: hard to see they were betting. All of a sudden,

480
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: six of them stand up. Holy smokes, only saw one

481
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, and they look at us and they decided, okay,

482
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: let's go up the hill, slow feeding and they're all

483
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: doing their duty. After they stand up, and we'll start

484
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: walking off. And I says, well, Dirk, when I find deer,

485
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 2: I always find turkeys. I said, Their turkeys and the

486
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: deer like to hang out together here. Okay, we take

487
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: about what five steps and Dirk goes turkeys and they

488
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: were right in front of us. They would come into

489
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: our calls.

490
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: Right behind the deer. They were walking. They walked like

491
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: within five yards.

492
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: Of the deer. Yeah, like they were just.

493
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: Hanging out like chumps. And what's funny is like I

494
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: was telling him about hunting in Kansas around deer and turkeys,

495
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: a lot of white tails and a lot of turkeys,

496
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: and the turkeys will get over and get on the

497
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: corner or whatever. And the deer they don't like it

498
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: when the turkeys are there because I think they can

499
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: make a lot of the noise. And I don't know,

500
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: maybe they maybe the turkeys are mean to the deer.

501
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they it seemed to like each

502
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: other too much. Yeah, and I kind of I'll make

503
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: some noise and make clear to my throat or make

504
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: some noise or wave my hand outside the blind or

505
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: the tree and try to get those turkeys to see

506
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: me and like spook off, so the deer will bill

507
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: to come in, you know, on with no reservations, you know.

508
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: And Ron was telling me, he's like, oh, that's weird

509
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: because my deer and turkeys they love each other. I

510
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: got pictures on my trail cams with these deer and

511
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: turkeys hanging out together all the time. I'm like, well,

512
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: that's weird. So we see deer take five steps. Oh

513
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: well there's the turkeys. They're best friends. The turkey's coming.

514
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: And Ron had just made some some yelps with his

515
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: with his box call, and and these these jakes were

516
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: like on a bee line to us and We're kind

517
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: of standing right out in the middle of like on

518
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: the sunshine, like we're we're frozen. We're not moving a bit,

519
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: like we're not moving a muscle, and these turkeys are

520
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: like coming right to us, got to like ten yards,

521
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: and then they didn't. They weren't paying attention that you

522
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: could see, like looking around.

523
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: Hey, where's that hen?

524
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: Where's that hen?

525
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 3: Out?

526
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: I heard?

527
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: And they're looking around and they're all it's funny to

528
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: watch jakes. They're all kind of grouped together and kind

529
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: of you call them like a gang of thugs or

530
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: a gang of teenagers, like you know, you know, they

531
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: kind of act kind of geeky, you know, kind of nerdy,

532
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: and and pretty soon they don't see the hen. They

533
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: go back well, and then off in the distance about

534
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: sixty yards, there's a couple of toms strutting, you know,

535
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: they're fanning around back there. I'm like, oh, yeah, those

536
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: things need to come. So the Jakes kind of go

537
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: back over there, and then they kind of run around.

538
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: Jakes will do this funny thing where they run around

539
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: in circles. If you haven't been around it too much,

540
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: but if you have, you know what I'm talking about.

541
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: They run around circles chasing each other. It's it's kind

542
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: of funny. It's like animated, you know. They're running around

543
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: a circles, chasing each other into like a in a

544
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 1: six foot circle.

545
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: Then they stop them go the other way, and they stop.

546
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 1: The go the other way, and then pretty soon one

547
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: of the big toms had come over and chase them off, like, hey,

548
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: get out of here with your nonsense, you know, kind

549
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: of like an adult wood smack. The kids like, quit

550
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: screwing around here, and Ron start squawking again with these

551
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: with the box, and here they come again. There they

552
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: come right back over to us that the Jakes and

553
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: the Toms keep on strutting. They're not really making any ground.

554
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: I think they're just I think they're back there strutting

555
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 2: and staying okay, lady, here, I am.

556
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: See come to me.

557
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: They were probably spitting and drumming both and we just

558
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: couldn't hear it.

559
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: It was pretty windy, yeah, And then I would yelp

560
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: with my with my diaphragm, and I think it was

561
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: a little too low pitched or something. I think when

562
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: I heard them yelping too, and it's more like a

563
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: gobbler yelp, and they would they would cut loose and

564
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: gobble that. The the jakes would gobble their heads off

565
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: every now and then when I I'd yelp with my reed,

566
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: my diaphragm, and but they didn't. It didn't really make

567
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: them come. But when you hit that box that real

568
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: high pitch, then they're like, oh, we better go back

569
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: over there and check things out. And then finally they

570
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: kind of they come over, looked around and see the

571
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: hand went back, and then those toms started like kind

572
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: of pushing them off and then started working their way

573
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: to us a little bit. And there was kind of

574
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: a fall there and some brush and stuff that we

575
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: couldn't quite see him or have a shot. And then

576
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: finally the one they the one tom got out and

577
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: there was a gap. I was thinking, Man, if he

578
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: puts his head in that that opening, you know is

579
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: a pretty good, you know, two or three foot opening,

580
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: and holds it still for a second, I might just

581
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: shoot him. And and he did. Okay, I put my bead,

582
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: I put a little high because I think I think

583
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: that thing's about I think he's about fifty yards and

584
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: I heard Ron say shoot Bayam, I shoot him, and

585
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: down he goes flop, flop flop. Then what happened?

586
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So then Dirk runs up there to get him,

587
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there just watching the whole scene unfold.

588
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: The deer up to my left and all these jakes

589
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 2: are standing there going what the heck is going on?

590
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: And the other big Tom was looking back at his buddy,

591
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: going what's happening here? What are you doing down there?

592
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: And Dirk gets up there and his bird's flopping it

593
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: off on the hill. It starts flopping down the hill

594
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: and he steps on the wing to hold it still

595
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: pulls out half the wing feathers and it's flopping on

596
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: down on the hill, and find the sides. Well, I

597
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: guess he's not coming with us anymore or less. Mosy

598
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: up there.

599
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: Had I have my wits about me. What I should

600
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: have done is I should have just handed you the shotgun.

601
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: But the big bird, the big Tom, he wasn't really

602
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: exposed real good at that point. No, so like we

603
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: could have played out. But as I didn't know fifty

604
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: yards it's a poke, I was like, you know, did

605
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: I just stun him? I gotta get over there and

606
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: get there, get my my make sure he's just down. Yeah,

607
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: I gotta put my foot on his neck and make

608
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: sure he's down, because I don't want him to like

609
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: get his wits about itim run off and then lose

610
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: the darn thing.

611
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: Shoot yeah, have him die somewhere you can't find him.

612
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then we giggle and we have a good

613
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: time and and uh yeah, and those turkeys are so pretty,

614
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: like you know, at face value, at a distance, you're like, oh, yeah,

615
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: it's a big black bird. But up close, like the

616
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: feathers fluoresce all these different colors, hues of green and

617
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: blues and reds and.

618
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: Oranges and oranges, and yeah, they's beautiful.

619
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: They're so beautiful. So in the sun was out, so

620
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: we sat there admired these beautiful feathers for a while

621
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: and took pictures and did all that and giggled a

622
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: little bit and talked about what happened, and and uh,

623
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: you know. Then then the hard pack came out. We

624
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: loaded all the you know, the big turkey. Turkeys are heavy,

625
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: not like an elk. Though I'd rather pack a turkey

626
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: out than definitely, But anyway, we packed the turkey out

627
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: and then we had had a cold beer and some

628
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: some lunch, and and uh, that was a that was

629
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: a pretty good day. And then the next day it's

630
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: Ron's turning. He's got a shotgun and we go out

631
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: and just like elk cutting, you know, the day before

632
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: we we had them gobbling, Yeah, we had them bugling.

633
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: The next day we go up. We cannot buy a

634
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: gobble on the roost. We're there well before light and

635
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: we're check all the spots that Ron's got this play style. Well,

636
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: if they're here, if they're not there, they're over here,

637
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: if they're out there, over here, and then all these

638
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: different places have a lot of turkeys. We checked all

639
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: the spots. They would not gobble on the roost. Just

640
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: like elk cutting. You have one fantastic day. The next

641
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: day it's like, what is going on? I can't get

642
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: a bold a bugle?

643
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, went down and called across the canon to see

644
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: if those birds are gobbled at us at least nothing. Yeah, nothing,

645
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: And we're going, what the Heck's okay, let's head up

646
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: further up the road and get up there about a

647
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: mile right before we had stopped and called from in

648
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: the morning, what's that in the road, that's a turkey.

649
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: We get up there and it was like, I don't

650
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: even know five or six Hens and Jake at least

651
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: they went right back up where they were the day

652
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: before and would not talk at all.

653
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: No gobbles. Yeah, yeah, there had to have been a

654
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: mature Tom and or so we saw some I mean

655
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: the day before. But still even that Jake, you'd think

656
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: he he'd you know, bark a little bit, but he

657
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: didn't say squat say.

658
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: And that was before we before they crossed the road,

659
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 2: even they were still on our side. And yeah, so

660
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: then what we go up the road another we go

661
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: check it out and see the man encounters are up there,

662
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: going up the road another couple of miles and head

663
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: into spot and driving down the road, there's there. Says oh,

664
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: there's a hand and so we oh, yeah, yeah, there

665
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: should be a Tom around here somewhere. So we get

666
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: out and call ho and he somewhere off in the

667
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: distance Tom gobbles. Okay, let's go. So we down park

668
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: in the bottom and get up on the ridge top

669
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: and head down the ridge. And that was the one

670
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: that we talked about earlier that I tried sneaking in on.

671
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: We wouldn't wouldn't leave. And then after they flew off

672
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: there said, oh, I heard one gobble across the next canyon,

673
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: so we decided to go there and check it out.

674
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: And we went down there when that thing was and

675
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: by the time we got up there, the wind was

676
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: that howl and bitter cold, and our faces last night,

677
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: like we were sunburned from the wind. We were both

678
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: red faced, and our fingers were frozen. And that was

679
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: with the gloves on everything.

680
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

681
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we said, okay, that's enough for today.

682
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. It's funny. The feelings at turkey hunting give

683
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: you the motions, right, So one day you think I

684
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: am the worst turkey hunter in the world, like you

685
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: like turkeys will humble you. And I know other people

686
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: are like, oh, turkeys are so stupid. You can shoot

687
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: them so easy. And I've had days like that too.

688
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: You're like, turkeys are the I'm like the best turkey

689
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: hunter in the world. This is easy. Like I don't

690
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: know why this is not hard, Like I could go

691
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: out any day of the week and shoot a turkey,

692
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: and then the next day you go out and you can't,

693
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: you can't even come close to like I don't think

694
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: I'll ever shoot a turkey. You get those same feelings

695
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: you don't exist, yep, and elk will do that to

696
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: you too, Like you'll be like, man, I am the

697
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: master of the universe and calling in elk and the

698
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: next day it's like, I must like the worst suckiest

699
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: elk hunter on planet Earth. I cannot I can't get

700
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: one to answer me. Yeah, I'll hike around. I can't

701
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: even jump one, you know, I can't even find them,

702
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, But that's I guess that's the that's why

703
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: they call it hunting, you know. It's yeah. Yeah, So

704
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: back to we'll talk a little bit about elk cutting,

705
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: because I know people like I don't know people like

706
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: I'll hear about elk cutting, maybe more than Turkey's maybe not.

707
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: It depends on who you are, where you live. People

708
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: in the Midwest and and in the East, they really

709
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: love turkey hanging, but they probably really love elk cutting too.

710
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: So I think we will talk about some elk cutting too,

711
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: about the good old days, you know, the love of

712
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: the land that brought you and I together and that

713
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: part of the that part of Idaho back in the day.

714
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: If you guys listen to an earlier podcast that I

715
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: did with George beat Us, Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm getting old.

716
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just go blank on people's names. That's it.

717
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: Is that a precursor for for dementia? I don't know.

718
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: I hope not, because sometimes I'm just like, gee, was

719
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: what's my own name? But anyway, I'm sorry. So earlier

720
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: on an earlier podcast, UH talk with George beat Us

721
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: and he hunted the famed Clearwater region, North Idaho back

722
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: in its heyday. You know, at that time in the

723
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: elk world, I don't have the largest elk herd in

724
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: the nation. Fast forward forty years, however long it has been.

725
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: It's probably been forty fifth well yeah, over forty almost

726
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: fit fifty years, and it's probably one, arguably one of

727
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: the worst places to help hunt elk in the nation.

728
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: And you and I sit around and talk about the

729
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: good old days and the fun experiences we had in

730
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: that country and then what it looks like now. But

731
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: what was it like back when you went up there,

732
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: back when you were a younger man, and the hills

733
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: weren't quite as big and steep.

734
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: That's for darms.

735
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 1: Sure, Why did the mountains grow taller as we get older?

736
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: Erosion?

737
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: It's got to be erosion.

738
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: No, we started, we started hunting in nineteen eighty nine,

739
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: my good hunting buddy and my brother and I and

740
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: it was like hunter to Oregon a lot. I mean

741
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: that's where I hunt. It only was Oregon, Eastern Oregon.

742
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: So I'm hunting a lodge poles and the thickets over there,

743
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: and there's really no brush, not much brush anyway, and

744
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: we could call bulls in over there, but they just

745
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: there was enough. People kind of put me off. So

746
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: I said, let's go try Idaho. So I did some

747
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: research and picked this spot in Idaho, went there and

748
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: I circled spots on my maps. I had a topple

749
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: of maps in the day where I think, okay, there

750
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: might be elk here and here and here. So we

751
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: get there the first night, set up camp and head

752
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: down the road a couple of miles and just I

753
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: don't think it was one of the spots side the circle.

754
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: Let's squat here and look. So we just park head

755
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: out there, and we probably made it a quarter to

756
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: a half a mile and said, this is ridiculous. We're

757
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: beating ourselves through brush the whole way. Let's go back

758
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: the road and go somewhere else. So we did and

759
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: went up on this other point and before dark throughout

760
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: some beagles and got an answer, Oh, okay, well come

761
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: back here in the morning, and this is cool. Went

762
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: down there in the morning and you know, chased him

763
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: around to the vail and we kind of to think

764
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: for nine days and we were in the elk every day,

765
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: had a beegling every day and got some real good

766
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: close encounters. And I don't remember how far into it,

767
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: probably about day six we caught up with some and

768
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: I shot one and he died right in a crik bottom.

769
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: And that was our first day in there ever, and okay,

770
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: let's took care of him, packed some stuff out that time,

771
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: and went back down with three of us to pack

772
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: him out. In Oregon. In eastern Oregon, the brush you know,

773
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: the bottoms of the creeks aren't brushy at all. So

774
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: we loaded him up and said, let's just head up

775
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: a creek. You know, big mistake. We're fighting through tag alder,

776
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: We're slipping on the rocks in the creek and it

777
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: was a mess. But we finally packed him out and

778
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 2: got done with our hunt that year and came home

779
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: and on the way home said, ma'am, it was fun,

780
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: but we're never going to Idaho a gain. I can't

781
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: stand that brush, yeah, you know, and the tag alder thickets.

782
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: You know, you'd hear the bowl there and you just

783
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: go plowing right through the middle of it, and or

784
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: the I don't remember what the other one is down

785
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: in there, the vine maples and stuff. And little did

786
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: you realize that we're trails through there, you know, the

787
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: Olkus trail. They just don't go plowing through like we did.

788
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: We're dumb boys. Took us a while to learn. And

789
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: so we're set on our way home. Now, we're not

790
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: going back there. That was just too much work and

791
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: too brushy, you know, so forget it. Two or three

792
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: months later, well, what are we going to do next year?

793
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: Are we going to hunt? I said, you know, we

794
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: had a lot of bulls bugling in Idaho and had

795
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: a lot of clothes. Let's go back there. So we

796
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: went back for two weeks, and that year we learned

797
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: that there's trails that go through all this brush, and

798
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: we learned a lot more area that year. And you know,

799
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: we hunted that from eighty nine through two thousand and

800
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: three and just had a ball over there. He got

801
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: to know the area well, and we had multiple balls

802
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: in all the time and got a lot of bulls

803
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: taken home with us and it was fun. It was

804
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: just a blast. And during some of those studies, I'm

805
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: sure that I'm on this hill side and you're on

806
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: that hill side, and I'm beagling to you, and you're

807
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: beagling to me, and we're going, there's hunters there, what

808
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: the heck?

809
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: Guy over there?

810
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: Over there going, what the heck's that guy over there for? Yeah?

811
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we probably crossed paths in the mountains,

812
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: but not close enough to know to meet each other.

813
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: Right, And we'd go by where you were camped and

814
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: we oh, we'd wave with the camp on the way

815
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: by you.

816
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Things things were different back then,

817
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: Definitely they were a lot more elk Ron does it

818
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: did a thing that's really cool. It's not you. I mean,

819
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: there's other people that do it. And I know, as

820
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: far as regrets in my hunting life, I wish I

821
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: would have done this because I love interesting data in facts.

822
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: But Rawn has kept a journal log of encounters and

823
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: call ins and how many elk they heard seen moon

824
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: phases from nineteen eighty nine till last.

825
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: Till last year. Last through this year. I just don't

826
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: have the last I don't have the last five years

827
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 2: on my data sheet. You have an updated to data

828
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: sheet right the year or the total data sheet you're

829
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: printed up one. Yeah, but yeah, So what kind of

830
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: a trend have you seen from nineteen eighty nine to

831
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: modern times? So from nineteen eighty nine through nineteen ninety

832
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: four we were seeing on the average of twenty bulls

833
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: a year and had twenty five close encounters a year,

834
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: And to me, a close encounter is when the was

835
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: within sixty yards, I can see them and there's a

836
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: good shot possibility. So for those, however, many years we

837
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: had that kind of stats, and then ninety five it

838
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: went down. In ninety six we had the hard winters

839
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: there in ninety five ninety six, So yeah, in ninety

840
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: six and ninety seven it dropped down to eight per

841
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: year on bulls seen and twelve p R on close encounters,

842
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: and then it started trending back up through about two

843
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: thousand and three, went back up to fourteen bulls a

844
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: year and six encounters or fifteen encounters a year, and

845
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: then the wolves showed up and they were they were

846
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: starting to get there. In two thousand and three even. Yeah,

847
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: and one night we're in bed sleep and you hear

848
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: them coming down the road howling, And you know, get

849
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 2: up the next day and there's all these huge wolf

850
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: tracks out in the road. Yeah, oh my gosh. Well

851
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: after that happened for the next what do I have?

852
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 2: Two thousand and three was the last year we hunted

853
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: that particular area. We saw six bowls and had six

854
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: close encounters. Said, okay, that's it, We're moving somewhere else

855
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: in the unit.

856
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've moved from You've went from twenty to twenty

857
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: five a year down to six six.

858
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's discouraging when you stark difference. Yeah, and

859
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: the the vegetation hadn't changed that much. The feed, you know,

860
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: the habitat hadn't changed. I mean it changed a little bit,

861
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: but not enough to do that to the numbers. And yeah,

862
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: the only common no nominator was wolves.

863
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

864
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: And so we moved over east further in the unit.

865
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: We were seeing fourteen bowls a year and fifteen close

866
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: encounters for the next four years, and then it went

867
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: down to six bowls and six close encounters again. We said,

868
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: and there were wolf tracks all over the roads and

869
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: they're howling at night again. Yeah, okay, you know, let's

870
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: get out of here. So we went to another area

871
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: and we were seeing up there. You know, it was

872
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: our first few years up there. We were seeing nine

873
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: bowls a year, nine close and counters, and so we said, okay,

874
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: forget that one, let's go somewhere else. And we got

875
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: another one that we were seeing ten and eight a

876
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: year close encounters. Which the difference there is that it

877
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: was thicker. It was actually thicker than where we had

878
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: been hunting. Yeah, and to see a ball and get

879
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: a close encounter was a lot harder. We've got a

880
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: lot of bugles going up there. We got a number

881
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: of bugles going up there.

882
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: We heard a lot of different bulls. But then the

883
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: close encounters and then visual eyes on bulls went way

884
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: down because it's just such thick.

885
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 2: It's only twenty yards, you know, we were shooting twenty

886
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: yards up there as all maximum. So yeah, it definitely

887
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: changed well, And and we kind of migrated down to

888
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: this souther area and I ran into somebody down there

889
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: named Dirk.

890
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, it's funny because I think the year

891
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: that I seen you up there in the woods. Finally

892
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: we crossed paths. It we'd been hunting some of the

893
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: same areas for the last thirty years and never run

894
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: across each other in the woods that we knew of.

895
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: We we might even passed each other by a way.

896
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: We've never talked, you know, but at the Sportsman Shore

897
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: in Portland and what was it to uh, let's see

898
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen.

899
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: Maybe probably something like that.

900
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: Then you introduced yourself. What kind of talked about? We

901
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: sit there and talk like school girls and stuff, and

902
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: we we knew the places we used to hunt, but

903
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: now we kind of we didn't really talk a lot

904
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: about where we hunt currently, Like we kind of left

905
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: little tidbits like I kind of hind around where you hunt.

906
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: But we didn't really say names or anything.

907
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: You don't never say names to somebody else, No, you don't.

908
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: That's we laugh about. Hey, Hey, you guys see anything hunting? No? No, no,

909
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a thing. Okay, this man, I haven't

910
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: heard it out of course. You know. It's the elk hunters,

911
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, talking to each one camp to another. You know,

912
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: you never share or divulge your information because you know

913
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: you don't want the other guys sneaking in there. On

914
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: your spot that they see your puck up and they're

915
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: going to be looking for a for a for that

916
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: bowl you've been bugling. So anyhow, fast forward, So that

917
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: was twenty eighteen, the winter of twenty eighteen, we talked yeah,

918
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: and then and Mett finally face to face. And then

919
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: that fall during mouth tab Madness that if you guys

920
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: haven't watched my YouTube channel, it's called The Bugler and

921
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: I do a series of videos called mouth tab Madness.

922
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: I'd injured my shoulder that fall elk hunting, and I

923
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: had to relearn how to shoot a bow with using

924
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: a mouth tab. Had to bite on this little the

925
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: tab attached to the string with my teeth and then

926
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: push the bow forward with my left arm, line up

927
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: my eyeball to my peep side, and then shoot. And

928
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: that's how I went hunting that fall. The rest of

929
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: that fall was with this mouth tab bow. Anyway, we're

930
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: up there, Me and cameraman Dusty had just hiked up,

931
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: had a wet day of bugle fest. We'd been chasing

932
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: these bugles around and we got just got back to

933
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: the pickup and I heard a vehicle coming. I'm like quick, Dusty,

934
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: hide because I don't like talk to people in the woods.

935
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I just

936
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: I don't want to answer asking me questions. I don't

937
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to have to lie to him.

938
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, I haven't heard a thing, you know.

939
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: I'd just rather not talk to I don't want to

940
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: pump people from information, and I don't want them to

941
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: pump me for information. So I'm like, come here, Dsky,

942
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: hide behind the pickup. So we kind of hid behind

943
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: the pickup and this guy pulls up and I hear

944
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: and he just stops. I'm like, oh, dang it. And

945
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: then his I can hear his window go. He's like,

946
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: come on, come on out, guys. I see you hiding

947
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: back there. I hear this voice. I'm like, oh, dang it,

948
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: we're hit. We're had. And I walk around and then

949
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: to my dismay, it's Ron and and he I could

950
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: see the same, the same surprise in his ice. He's like, oh, Dirk,

951
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: this is where you hunt, Like dang it. So we

952
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: had a good, good, good visit there. We probably talked

953
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: way too long middle of the road there and instead

954
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: of going hunting, but it was good to reconnect, and

955
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: you told us where you were camped, and we end

956
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: up coming out to your camp later on. But uh,

957
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: anyhow that that that's when we finally ran into each

958
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: other the woods in the woods and and I.

959
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: Well, we'd actually seen each other just a little bit

960
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: before that because we were looking. We were road beagling

961
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: one night and we're standing beside the road beagling down

962
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: This drawn ron had nature calls, so he's standing there

963
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 2: and here comes a rig around the corner a little

964
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: and they're coming by and they're just laughing. And I'm

965
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: laughing because I know what I'm doing. They're laughing because

966
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: they know what I'm doing. Well, we talked to Dirk

967
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: later and he said, yeah, I was laughing because we

968
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: were buggling to each other ago. I was laughing for

969
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: a different reason.

970
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: Dirk got caught with your pants down. Yeah.

971
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: And then then when we ran into him, if they

972
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: were done hunting, we'd we'd heard the bulls beagling up

973
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: there that morning, but we had in mind we wanted

974
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: to go somewhere else in hunt, so we did and

975
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: the artist made there was nothing there, So we said,

976
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: let's go back and go to that area where the

977
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: bulls were this morning. So we went to the backside

978
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: of it and there's a rig park there. It's like,

979
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, let's go to the other side and

980
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: climb the steep face. And that's when we found Durkle

981
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: there had been up there chasing my bulls that morning.

982
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Well that's awesome, and it's funny. Like my experience is

983
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: like I wish I'd wrote them all down that way,

984
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: I'd have that hard data. I just have to go

985
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: on memory. But I remember, you know, the same kind

986
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: of trends, you know, you know, you would hear lots

987
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: of bugles, lots of every year, different bulls, and you'd

988
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: have you know, you would get eyes on bulls, and

989
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: then he can't close encounters and a lot of people

990
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: will throw around, oh yeah, I called in forty seven

991
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: bowls last year, but did you really call in forty

992
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: seven bulls. In my mind, calling in a bull is

993
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: having a bull either come in to within archery range

994
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: or very close to it, so he's traveled a long

995
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: ways from where he was at originally and he came

996
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: to your calls and you almost get him. Or let's

997
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: say a bull comes from half a mile away, and

998
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: stands on a hillside one hundred or two hundred yards

999
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: away and looks back and paces back and forth and

1000
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: bugles at you. But then you don't. He don't come

1001
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: any further because he's like he wants to see elk

1002
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: or he wants you to make a move, but then

1003
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: he kind of goes back. That's a call in too.

1004
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: But I know people that will will hunt some of

1005
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: the same areas I hunt, and they'll be like, oh, yeah,

1006
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: we called in forty nine bowls last year. I'm like,

1007
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: but did you. I mean, I don't think you're counting.

1008
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you're calling counting call ins like me.

1009
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: I think maybe maybe the amount of bugles.

1010
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: You heard they got forty.

1011
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what g is. I guess if

1012
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: that's what makes you float your boat and keeps you

1013
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: going going every day, I mean, you know, bless your heart.

1014
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you can count them however you want, right, yeah, Well,

1015
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: same as turkeys, right, oh he called in these, except

1016
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: they when they got off the roost, they went the

1017
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: other way and the half we're hs. But that you

1018
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: know that we're where we met you, We ran into you.

1019
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 1: If you if the first year I hunted that spot

1020
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: there was in two thousand and seven, and that year

1021
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: my buddy Brent and I we'd heard thirty five different

1022
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: bulls bugle in a week, and I was like, wow,

1023
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: this is great because my old spot I used to

1024
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: go had been really good. And then on way downhill,

1025
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: just like what you said, you know, you know, I

1026
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: think the last year I hunted there, I think I

1027
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: had two close encounters and I heard like three balls

1028
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, and it just hurt them and

1029
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: I got on on almost all of them. I got

1030
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: on all of them, but you know, I guess out

1031
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: of the three balls I got on, two of them

1032
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: had close encounter. But anyhow, fast forward, you know to

1033
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, you know, thirty five balls we

1034
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: heard in a week and had lots of close and

1035
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: client counters. I didn't really count those if I'd have

1036
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: to kind of go back to the old memory banks

1037
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: and write them down and kind of figure it out,

1038
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: but lots of close encounters, very you know, tension on

1039
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: the string drawn back a few times and almost got

1040
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: them to when we met you in twenty nineteen, we

1041
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: had I don't know, we probably heard like maybe ten

1042
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: bules that year and had three or four close encounters

1043
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: in nineteen. In twenty nineteen, Yeah, and he's gonna he's

1044
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna look at his bible. Here, his LK Cunting Bible.

1045
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen, we heard a total of thirty three bules

1046
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: and saw five bulls. Well, I have four clothes encounters.

1047
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: You, you Sandbagger. You when I talked to you in

1048
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: the woods, you said, oh, yeah, we've heard a couple

1049
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: of bulls here and there. But well, you weren't being truthful.

1050
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: Well you probably weren't either.

1051
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: I was.

1052
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't at all. Yeah, you guys said, oh, did

1053
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: you get into them up there? I'm like, oh, we

1054
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: heard a couple of bugles up there out of the brush,

1055
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: and we weren't real truthful either.

1056
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little geno. I sit down there and listen

1057
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 2: to them all morning before we left. Yeah.

1058
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

1059
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: It was a good year.

1060
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: But but just the start contrast, you know. And then

1061
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: fast forward to like twenty twenty two, that that was

1062
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: the last time I hunted up in that country. That

1063
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: was the ghost Bul video you guys watched if you

1064
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: haven't watched it on YouTube, the ghost Bul.

1065
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Nor was a good one.

1066
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: Ghost Bowls of the North or something like that.

1067
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ghost Bulls of the North.

1068
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 1: That was the video on YouTube, the Phelips Game Calls

1069
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. And I think I heard five bulls that

1070
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: year and had three close encounters as in I was,

1071
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, I was in within shooting range of bulls.

1072
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: So even it had even gone downhill from twenty nineteen

1073
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty two, in my mind, a lot less

1074
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: sign and you know a lot of hunter activity, but

1075
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of going to some places you

1076
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of people. But still it's just

1077
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: it's just that the elk numbers are not there right

1078
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: there used to be a lot more than there. And

1079
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: in my mind just from I feel like, I feel

1080
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: like I'm about as educated as any biologist, probably more

1081
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: so than any biologists are out there and now there.

1082
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: Most biologists they read things, they look at spreadsheets, they

1083
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: look at that kind of data. Ron and I are

1084
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: out there surveying the landscape, the countryside, firsthand experience covering

1085
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: the country. We're digging in, I would dare say way

1086
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: more than anybody that's like doing any kind of biology

1087
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: assessment of an area. You know, we're boots on the ground.

1088
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: We're walking in places people don't normally walk unless you

1089
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: have like an elk calling to you. Like, you're not

1090
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: going to walk down to these crap holes if there's

1091
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: not a bull bugle and like they're just you're not

1092
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna walk down there to to write something on a

1093
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: sheet of paper just to see what's down there. You're

1094
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: just not going to do it. So anyway, I feel

1095
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: like we have a pretty good gauge on what has

1096
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: happened to Idaho's elk nor North idahos elk. Certain parts

1097
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: of Idaho elk are flourishing. Other parts of Idaho they're diminishing.

1098
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: But where they're flourishing, do they have many wolves?

1099
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: Not as many, no, or any, you know, not as

1100
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: many or any, but wolves are starting to find some

1101
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: of those places. Now. I have friends and you know,

1102
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: in this southern part of the state. You know, if

1103
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: you cut the skinny part of Idaho off and make

1104
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 1: a box out of the southern part of the state,

1105
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, make a rectangular box the areas in that

1106
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: those places, you know, I feel like they have better

1107
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: elk herds. I probably shouldn't say that, but I know

1108
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: on the fringes of the northern part of the Box.

1109
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: I know people are starting to say, you know, man,

1110
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: we're starting to see more wolves and starting to see

1111
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: more wolves. And they'd seen wolves before and they kind

1112
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: of came and went, But now they're back and they

1113
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: they're they're finding dead heads, lots of deadhead elk. They're

1114
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: starting to make an impact in a lot of areas,

1115
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: especially with the kind of winters we've been having. Last year,

1116
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: this winter wasn't too bad, but the winter of twenty

1117
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: twenty two twenty twenty three was devastating to South Idaho.

1118
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's you know, what got

1119
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: those wolves. You know, they just followed the herds down

1120
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: into the lower country as the time went by. But anyhow,

1121
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: some might say, like if we go back to northern Idaho,

1122
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: some will say, you know, it's all about habitat, you know,

1123
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: the habitat loss, because in too in nineteen ten, there

1124
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: was a giant wildfire that went from north central Idaho

1125
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: clear way up into the Panhandle and burned millions of

1126
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: acres of the national forest, which after thirty years forty years,

1127
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: when it grew back, it was amazing. Elk cabitat you know,

1128
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: the burnt had opened up the canopy, you know, grasses

1129
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: and small shrubs growing everywhere, and it was a perfect

1130
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: storm because you know, back in them days, not a

1131
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: lot of people in Idaho. And then around World War two,

1132
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: they'd even pre World War two, they'd even shut down

1133
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: hunting seasons in a lot of those units because they'd

1134
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: had some bad winners and they wanted the elk to

1135
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: come back and flourish, and they did, and they opened

1136
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: up seasons again. Anyhow, the elk hunting was fantastic, and

1137
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: George beat Us got to hunt onto the tail end

1138
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: of some of that there in the seventies and early

1139
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: eighties of that fantastic yel hunting and if you listen

1140
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: to that podcast, his stories were incredible. But to understand

1141
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: and in the forties and fifties it was twice as

1142
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: good it was, if you can even wrap your head

1143
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: around how good that was, it was twice as good.

1144
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: It had the nation's best elk elk heard in this

1145
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: relatively small area compared to like the whole state of

1146
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: Colorado now that has the largest delkurd in America. So

1147
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: but anyway, now you know, now we're in twenty twenty four.

1148
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: Those forests have grown up, they've aged, they've matured, they've

1149
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: choked out, you know, grasses they've choked out. You know,

1150
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: the underbrush has matured and gotten really tall, so you

1151
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: don't have all the tender things to eat at more

1152
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: of a more just little above ground level. So the

1153
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: feet has changed. So people will say the experts will say, well,

1154
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: it's more of a habitat issue than a wolf issue,

1155
00:56:54,800 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: and I think both sides are right to a certain degree. So, well,

1156
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: if you have elk that should have really great feed,

1157
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: If they have really great feed everywhere and they're pressured

1158
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: by wolves, they just keep moving until you know, okay,

1159
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: it's okay, we'll just go live over here. There's good

1160
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: food here. And they just keep following the food and

1161
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: the wolves follow them. They're probably gonna stay more nourished

1162
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: and probably have less mortality. But as it is now,

1163
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of mature forests and stuff.

1164
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: There's less quality habitat. The wolves pursue, they distress elk.

1165
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: They're not as in good as shape because they don't

1166
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: have a good as feed, and then they're easy. They're

1167
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: easier prey because there may be find some good food,

1168
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: if a good food source, and don't want to leave it,

1169
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: and then the wolves go in and wipe them out.

1170
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: And this is all just my theory.

1171
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah, I mean I agree with

1172
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: someone that that has grown up into old forest, old growth.

1173
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: But then you start out where you go back to

1174
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 2: where you and I first turn it over there, Yeah,

1175
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: and that is all burnt, that's all. There's been fires

1176
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: go through all that country, and so it's reforesting. It's

1177
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: got the open grasses, it's got the habitat for them.

1178
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 2: And you were back there last year rifle hunting and

1179
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: you found zero in there. Yeah, so you know, there

1180
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: used to be tons of elk in there, and now

1181
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: there is good food. If it was habitat, there's great

1182
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: food for him in there. But they're still in the elk.

1183
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, for the about a decade ago that country

1184
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: started burning again. Between burning and then there's a lot

1185
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: of beetlekill timber that's falling, you know, and opening up

1186
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: the canopy as well, but you're still not seeing elk.

1187
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: And then you know what George talked about. You know,

1188
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: a good friend of his who was a biologist for

1189
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: the fishing the forest service in that area. A forestry guy.

1190
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: He said, you know, they need to prescribe burns in

1191
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: the winter habitat, you know, to get those you know,

1192
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, those those burns we're talking about, a lot

1193
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: of them are up on top top. They're not in

1194
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: the they're not in the winter range. But conversely, you know,

1195
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: at the time, I wanted to hear George's opinion, and

1196
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, you know, take counterpoint on it.

1197
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: But I got to thinking and thinking about, like, well, okay,

1198
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: that that does make sense. That's a fair, fair assumption.

1199
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: But then I look at the frank Church Wilderness. All

1200
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 1: all you got to do is go to Google Earth

1201
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: and look at the frank Church Wilderness. It's all burnt

1202
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: from the river to the highest peaks, most of it.

1203
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: It's it's a huge vast wasteland of burn, wasteland as

1204
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: far as like timber. But now there's grasses, small trees,

1205
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, like jackfurs and brush, lush brush growing. Where

1206
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: are the elk? They haven't made a return there. There's

1207
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: nobody's saying good lord. You know, the outfitters aren't getting

1208
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: rich in the frank Church Wilderness because there's so many elk,

1209
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: and they have so many clients coming in. There's a

1210
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: lot of outfitters that have gone out of business.

1211
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

1212
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to too many people lately that said, oh,

1213
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: the Frank Church is on fire with elk right now.

1214
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: He actually asks people and they're like, yeah, there's elk,

1215
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: but a few between. They kind of tell the same

1216
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: kind of stories we tell about the places we've been hunting.

1217
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: You know, if you know the pockets where they live,

1218
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: you'll get into them. But if you don't, you're gonna

1219
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: you could spend a whole week there or a ten

1220
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: day hunt and not see a dang elk or here.

1221
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: I know, if if you walk forever through the brush

1222
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: piles and just beat yourself togeath.

1223
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, I I don't know what the easy

1224
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: answer is because they have, you know, with trapping and stuff,

1225
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: and then I know the idole fishing game of flown

1226
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: missions with their their helicopters, and you know, to reduce

1227
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: numbers of wolves, you know, they shoot a bunch and

1228
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: to help certain areas where the elk are suffering or

1229
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: maybe cattle, and then the trappers are getting a fair

1230
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: share of them. And I think I think they're just

1231
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: kind of keeping them at bay. They've reduced some of

1232
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: the numbers, but they've kind of keep them at bay.

1233
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know. Something has to happen drastically to

1234
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: get those elk to come back in those places.

1235
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: So that takes you to the next thing is where

1236
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: the elk drop their cows. Yes, guess what's down there?

1237
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: Bears bears. So has the bear population increased enough to

1238
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: where they're hurting the herds by killing enough cows? I

1239
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: don't know.

1240
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: I think they put it in on them, definitely. I

1241
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of bears. I don't think it's

1242
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: like the bound bears we had in the eighties. But

1243
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: we don't have the amount of elk because we had

1244
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: in the eighties.

1245
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: But there's more cougars now too than there were ye

1246
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: So you know, everything's trying to like a turkey. We

1247
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: were talking, Yeah, a turkey doesn't have a friend one

1248
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 2: in the woods except for a deer. Everything else wants

1249
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: to eat it.

1250
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: It's on everyone's menu, I mean.

1251
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: Says oh young bobcat, Oh yeah, cougar, yeah, but an

1252
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 2: elk because you know, there's a lot of things trying

1253
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: to eat the elk too. Between the bear, the cougar

1254
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: and the wolves, you know, they're yeah, now, prime fair.

1255
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: Now. Am I calling for the eradication of wolves or

1256
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: bears or cougars. No, no, But it has to be

1257
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: a good balance, right, It's got to be a balance.

1258
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: And and being I'm an animal lover, I love all

1259
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: animals and I want to see them all do well,

1260
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: but not at the expense of the other one. You know,

1261
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't want all the elk to be gone, and

1262
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't want all the wolves to be gone, and

1263
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: all the cougars in the mountain lions are the bears,

1264
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: and I don't want to see something disappear completely off

1265
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: the landscape at all, but we have to manage them.

1266
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 2: It is cool to hear a wolf howl. That is

1267
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: just a neat. I mean, it's an air you sound,

1268
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: but it's cool to hear.

1269
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: And I love dogs. I am. People may not know

1270
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: this about me, but I love dogs. I have a

1271
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: black Lab, I've had black labs. I've had dogs my

1272
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: whole entire adult life. And I love dogs. And I

1273
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: feel like wolves are interesting. Dogs are intelligent, Dogs are

1274
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: way smarter than people will usually give them credit for.

1275
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: And especially they're very in touch with their emotions. I

1276
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: think dogs are more self aware than a lot of

1277
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: people will acknowledge or understand. So you think wolves are

1278
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: very self aware, very intelligent. They've they've they learned very

1279
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: quickly about danger, about food, they learn very quickly about everything.

1280
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: And so I can appreciate that. That's an inter it's

1281
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: very They're an interesting animal. They have an interesting family dynamic.

1282
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: They have just a different kind of way of life,

1283
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, which is interesting, which should should be appreciated.

1284
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: But also I can appreciate when they're overpopulated, then other

1285
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: animal species suffer, and I don't appreciate that, right. I

1286
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: don't want that to happen.

1287
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: I want there to be a balance, to go from

1288
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,439
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand elk curd down to fifteen hundred elk curd.

1289
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: Something's wrong, something's wrong, and it hoped it happened within

1290
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: a two three year period.

1291
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: Is this boom?

1292
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: Is what happened? And the habitat didn't just fail as

1293
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: there's less elk on the landscape. Think of this, you know,

1294
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: you say a habitat as there's less elk on the landscape,

1295
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: there's more food on the landscape because there's it's not

1296
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: like all the the grass and brush died in North Ido.

1297
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: If anything, there's it's brushier than it's ever been everywhere

1298
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: he looks.

1299
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: Food, Yeah, it is. It's it's a it's a jungle.

1300
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: That's the best way to describe it.

1301
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: Like an elk doesn't have to walk far for food,

1302
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: Like they can like walk three feet. Oh there's something

1303
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: else to eat. Yeah, theysh they walk fifty yards. Oh

1304
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: there's water. They have, they have, they have everything they

1305
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: need except I think they the the wolves have done

1306
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: quite a number on them, and I think they do

1307
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: definitely need to restore a lot of the the winter

1308
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: habitat by doing prescribed burns. But as my friend George said,

1309
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, there's that's a politically charged thing. You know,

1310
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,479
Speaker 1: we start burning, you know, there's a lot of folks

1311
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: who suffer from asthma and stuff, and it makes it

1312
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: hard for them to breathe. Well, they get they get

1313
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: pushed back, the four Service gets pushed back on on

1314
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: air quality. Yeah, and you know it's hard to make

1315
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: everyone happy, you know, unfortunately.

1316
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, But but you have to look at the money

1317
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: that hunters put into the economy. Yep, And I think

1318
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: as hunters, you know, buying license and tags and all

1319
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: this stuff. You've promoted the game and built up the

1320
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: herds to where they were, you know, so that was

1321
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: and then to be managed responsibly at that level, you know,

1322
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: keep the herds up. And then something else comes into

1323
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: the equation, doesn't that wasn't there before and changes all everything.

1324
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 2: So you have to stop and re examine how you're

1325
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: doing things. And I don't know, I I don't have

1326
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: the answers. I wish it did.

1327
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: Well, here's I mean, here's a here's a here's a topic.

1328
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: We could spin off of this and go down another

1329
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Logging. You know, they've they've ceased logging for

1330
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: the most part. On buying large on national forest. Yes, okay,

1331
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: we can't burn that. We can't burn these these winter grounds.

1332
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: Can we log them?

1333
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 3: No?

1334
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying put in new roads into these places,

1335
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: but people can help licopter log right, That's that's a

1336
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: very effective tool. You're not you're not you're not scarring

1337
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: the landscape with roads. You you make the roads that

1338
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: are existing roads. Better cut the timber, fly it to

1339
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: the fly it to the nearest road. Landing and truck

1340
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: it out. You know that now now again, we're stimulating

1341
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: the economy, We're creating dollars, we're getting people putting back

1342
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: to where work. We're getting tax money that will help

1343
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: maintain the forest. Yet the same people who don't want

1344
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: you to log, they don't want you to burn, well,

1345
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: some of them, but it seems like, you know, we

1346
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: don't want you to to log the forest. But and

1347
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: but what happens in the end is well, wildfire and

1348
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: it isn't burning anyway.

1349
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's worse because nothing is restored yet. Yeah.

1350
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: And it's the middle of summer, it's July and August,

1351
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: and now air quality all over the northern northwestern part

1352
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: of the United States, the sky's are brown for the

1353
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: whole month of August.

1354
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: You're spending money to fight the fighters instead of making

1355
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: money by log in it, Yes, which just doesn't compute

1356
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: for me. Yeah.

1357
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: In areas where there's a lot of different ownerships of land,

1358
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, you have state, you have private timber companies,

1359
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: you have National forest in those areas, you definitely see

1360
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: a difference in ELK numbers just because they've opened up

1361
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: the forest in those places. So I do believe habitat

1362
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: does have something to do with it, Yes, because even

1363
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: with the presence of predators, the elk do better.

1364
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 2: And the fires don't do as well because they hit

1365
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: these blocks that have been logged and they can distinguish them, you.

1366
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: Know, extinguish. We don't have those multimillion acre burns like

1367
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: we had in nineteen ten. So anyway, I wish we

1368
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: could just you know, I think we've just solved the

1369
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: world's problems here, Ron.

1370
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm too old for that.

1371
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: Man. It's been really fun. As always, I appreciate you

1372
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: hosting me and bringing me over here. I cherish the

1373
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: time we get to spend together and go over and

1374
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: it's fun. We talk about life and giggle and laugh

1375
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: and and you cook good food for me. You love

1376
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: to cook and I love to eat. I mean, anybody

1377
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: that's seen you know that's a great that's a great duo.

1378
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 2: We gave first razor clams the other night, the.

1379
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: First razor clams. I've never had those before. Jason Phelps

1380
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for no invite. He lives very close

1381
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: to the coast. And yeah I did, Yeah, yeah, I

1382
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: had to had to come to my good friend Ron's

1383
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 1: house to get razor clams. I hope you're listening, Jason.

1384
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: You know, if if you guys have questions or comments,

1385
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: you can always email them into CETD at Phelps Game

1386
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: Calls dot com. Yeah in the distance, Yeah CTD at

1387
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: Phelps Game Calls. Got to com and send send an

1388
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: email to Jason Phelips and say, hey, why didn't you

1389
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: have Dirk over for razor clams? I thought you guys

1390
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: were friends. I'm starting to question our friendship.

1391
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 2: Make sure you use clams and not mud clams.

1392
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well yeah, he'll probably eat the ray the

1393
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: clams and I'm not there. He's like, oh, we got

1394
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: to some of these others. We call them m clams

1395
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: for mud. But anyway, anything to wrap this up, any

1396
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: last thoughts. Do you have any regrets or looking back

1397
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: at your your long hunting life, Like, man, I wish

1398
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: I'd done something that you just didn't do, and looking back,

1399
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: you wish you could have done something different.

1400
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: So, so when I was learning the hunting starting out

1401
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: in Oregon and I got I don't even know where,

1402
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 2: I heard about bugling. I was excited. I thought I

1403
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: want to call it. I want to hear bugle. So

1404
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't even know, I don't know if it was

1405
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 2: herders or what. Back in the day, I heard some

1406
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 2: turkey diaphragm calls you can make yourself, and I made

1407
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 2: my own diaphragms and I used them for bugling. Or

1408
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: I was younger and my voice worked better and I

1409
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: could do a throat bugle with my own voice.

1410
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: Did you suck in? Or did you scream?

1411
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 3: So?

1412
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,560
Speaker 1: Can I try to do that? I sell like a

1413
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: credit might sell like a stuck pig or something. It's

1414
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: so terrible.

1415
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I called nice point in one day and here

1416
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: came a hunter down up win from him, and gone.

1417
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: Got them both. He's got you fool them both.

1418
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It was like, oh my gosh, you must

1419
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 2: have been pretty good. But I made my own diaphrams

1420
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 2: and tried those, and then they had, you know, so

1421
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 2: I don't remember what called. Larry Jones came out with them.

1422
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: I got the squealer thing and got my first bull

1423
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: to really answer and come in later on, and he

1424
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 2: was ripping up a tree and I thought, I'm sitting

1425
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 2: here waiting for him to come walking out in front

1426
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: of me, and he left, you know, so it's like, oh, well,

1427
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 2: that's not how it goes. And then I taught myself.

1428
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 2: I had to. I learned it myself just by doing it.

1429
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 2: And like we were talking back in the day, there

1430
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: were enough elk and Idaho, if we blew this one,

1431
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 2: let's go to the next one mile away. Yeah, you

1432
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: don't do it again. And that was how we learned.

1433
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 2: It was just trial and error. And it ends up

1434
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: that you and I pop a lot alike.

1435
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 3: Now.

1436
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like we're sitting here talking like yeah, yeah, yeah.

1437
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 2: Aggressive aggressive aggressive means this, not this. And if the

1438
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: bull gets aggressive sounding, we get aggressive sounding. But if

1439
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 2: he's not, we're aggressive pushing them, getting closer and making

1440
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 2: them mad. So yeah, yeah, I mean I the only

1441
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: regrets I have yeah, okay, not a whole lot, just

1442
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 2: a few.

1443
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: You know.

1444
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 2: I wish I had more patience at times. That is

1445
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: one of the key things for somebody learning patients. Just

1446
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: because he hasn't showed up within two minutes doesn't mean

1447
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be within ten minutes. Just like turkey hunting, Yep,

1448
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: if a turkey doesn't show up and he's quiet, he

1449
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 2: might be coming in quiet. It's the same thing with

1450
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: an elk.

1451
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: Ye.

1452
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: So I've learned a lot of patience. Especially now that

1453
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 2: I'm older, I don't like to move as much and

1454
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: it hurts to go, and so I learned to stop

1455
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah.

1456
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: Well, I think Kenny Rogers said it best. You got

1457
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: to know when to hold him and know when to

1458
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:52,799
Speaker 1: fold them exactly.

1459
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that's about it. I just thoroughly enjoyed

1460
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 2: my time in the woods and learning about like you know,

1461
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 2: I was telling you stories the other day what I've

1462
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,560
Speaker 2: seen with hell kin of the cow falling in the

1463
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: bog ahead over heels, Yeah, calf getting beat on by

1464
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 2: a cow, and you know, it's just there's so many

1465
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 2: things just see watching nelk get spooked, you know, spike

1466
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: grouse flop at its feet and the spike just did

1467
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 2: some results trying to get out of there. So you

1468
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: see so many cool things when you were out in

1469
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 2: the woods getting to watch that stuff, and that's what

1470
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 2: I enjoy.

1471
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so Yeah. All the times I've been

1472
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: by myself hunting and I didn't have anybody with me,

1473
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: and I've seen some amazing things, like nobody's gonna ever

1474
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: believe this story, and it's long before you videotaped anything,

1475
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: and it's by myself and it's like, man, that was

1476
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: so cool. And it's one regret. I've hunted it by

1477
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: myself a lot in my life and I enjoy it,

1478
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: I love it, I prefer it, but when something remarkable happens,

1479
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: I regret that I didn't have someone there with me

1480
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: to share that moment with, Like.

1481
01:12:58,520 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: Can you believe that just happened?

1482
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen.

1483
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 2: No, so my Yeah. Another regret is that we didn't

1484
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 2: run into each other back in the nineteen nineties and

1485
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 2: then start hunting together with our group. You know, it

1486
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 2: would have been it would have been.

1487
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: I would have seen your license plate thought I'd been

1488
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: like them damn or Guardian hunters. But out of standers

1489
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: get out of it.

1490
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 3: I know.

1491
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding, but I wish we'd have found

1492
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: each other back then and could have chased them same

1493
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: the same mountains that we love so much together. It

1494
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: would have been such so much fun.

1495
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: Would have been. And now you're not hunting where I'm

1496
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 2: hunting anymore.

1497
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeap.

1498
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 2: So we'll have to give you a report card this year.

1499
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: Wrappers over, yeah, yeap, And we'll just have to you know,

1500
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: we have turkey hunting Ron, that's right, We'll always have turkey.

1501
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: Yep, that's for Darner.

1502
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: Sure, well, thanks again. How can people find you? You

1503
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: wanted to have let people know where they can find

1504
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: you on social if they want to follow you.

1505
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 2: I don't have any idea, Okay you do, I don't, Yeah,

1506
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. If it's just Ron Hewett

1507
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 2: on Facebook and something wrong hew it on Instagram, I

1508
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't post much on their normally his

1509
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 2: family stuff, family stuff. And I probably posted a picture

1510
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 2: of you the other day because I had eleven year

1511
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 2: memory or something on April fifteenth with me with a

1512
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 2: bird and it said ad So I put your picture

1513
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 2: on there, it shows up. I don't. I don't even

1514
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: know how to find.

1515
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: That, so right on, Well again, I thank you for

1516
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: having me over, Thanks for thanks for getting on the podcast.

1517
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 2: You know, I know that was the first I said

1518
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 2: I was never going.

1519
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: To do this. I know you told me I'll never

1520
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: get on a podcast, and I'm like, Ron, you gotta

1521
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: do it.

1522
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: Like I'm sweating and trembling and shaking.

1523
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know. One of my regret life regrets

1524
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: is not no knowing or my before when my dad

1525
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: passed away. Before he passed in two thousand and nine,

1526
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 1: and back then, I hadn't even heard of a podcast.

1527
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know what a podcast was, and there was,

1528
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't mainstream media by no means, and I regret

1529
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: that I hadn't recorded. My mom always wanted my dad

1530
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: because my dad, Yeah, he's a very colorful person, crazy

1531
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: stories like he lived a hell of a life from

1532
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, storm on the beaches of Ewajima to living

1533
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: and working in Liberia, Africa back in the sixties, and

1534
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, all the hunted the Idaho's backcountry when it

1535
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 1: was the very best right out of World War Two

1536
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: in the forties and fifties, and and just he'd experienced

1537
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: such a wide range of experiences in life. My mom

1538
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 1: always tried to get him to like record something like

1539
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: a little tape recorder, and he I think he kin'd

1540
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: felt worried about it, and he's likesh, I'm not doing that,

1541
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: you know. But if we'd have been able to sneak

1542
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: or or something or sit down, and I wish I

1543
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: could have had an opportunity to podcast and record all

1544
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: these wild stories he had and life experiences.

1545
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: I do regret that.

1546
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was awesome. And but and that's

1547
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: why I really wanted you to get on here, because

1548
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to I want to pick your brain and

1549
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: record you and here and hear your your You're spent

1550
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: on life and and and elk cunning.

1551
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 2: So I appreciate life is enjoy all it's here. We

1552
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: never know about tomorrow. It's all in God's hands. So absolutely,

1553
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: that's that's the Just enjoy every day, make the most

1554
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: of it, make make the friends and enjoy your friendships.

1555
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 1: So I love that. Yeah, all right. And family, family

1556
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: and family. Yeah, absolutely definitely family, family first. Yeah, well,

1557
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: thanks Ron, and we'll catch everybody on the next one.

1558
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 3: H h h h h m hmmm