WEBVTT - EA Podcast: Episode 23 with Chad Pennington 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.000 Hey, this is Ryan Fitzpatrick and you are listening to 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:08.600 the e A Podcast with Eric Allen. Take it away, alright, Chad. 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.399 The Jets had a tremendous effort against the New England Patriots. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.279 Did a lot of things right, but ultimately they fell late, 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:21.119 uh crushing twenty two to seventeen decision, because they took 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.799 that lead, had a fourth quarter advantage, but just couldn't 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.240 hang on. What do you think about the overall effort 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:35.360 by this team after it's by Well, I thought the 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:39.400 effort Eric was fair. I'm not gonna buy into the 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.720 notion that it was a winning effort um because the 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.600 Jets didn't win, But I don't think it was a 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.800 losing effort by no stretch of imagination. And there were 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.360 some good football players out there. But I do think 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.120 it was a lost opportunity to be the Patriots team 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.600 that was sleep walking through most of the game, that 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.560 was obviously wounded at the quarterback position as well as 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.880 a tight end position, and it was a lost opportunity 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.800 that the Jets could have capitalized on. And I just 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.760 never believe in moral victories, but um, there were certainly 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.520 some good football plays out there, winning football plays out 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.000 there and in the end, they didn't make enough of 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.080 them to win the game. Why didn't they win? Obviously, 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.560 there are a lot of things that happened over the 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.440 course of sixty minutes, and people point to turnovers and 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:31.320 this and that, but why, point blank, why didn't they went? Uh? 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.240 The Jets weren't opportunistic. Um, they played good football, they 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.479 just weren't opportunistic. Meaning when the scores tend to zero 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.200 and you have a big pass play to midfield, you 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.040 can't have a fumble that woke up a sleeping dog 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.400 and they should let that sleeping dogs lie and continue 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.600 to beat them down. And they did. And so that 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.320 was one play that was that should have been a 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.840 great momentum builder for the Jets offense, that turned into 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:03.360 a momentum builder for New England. Um. I also thought that, 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.120 you know, there are other times that the Jets could 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.440 have drove the dagger in a little bit more, uh 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.720 and really put this game away and didn't see that opportunity. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:18.080 And when you don't see those opportunities against Tom Brady, uh, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.440 he will eventually beat you. And that's what happened. And 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.120 so um, They're just they just weren't opportunistic enough. There 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:30.079 were good plays made, uh touchdown scored, a good individual 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:34.320 plays made there. There was some energy and excitement, but 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:38.640 all in all, not enough to beat the top team 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.760 in the an FC. What was your take on Ryan 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.399 Fitzpatrick's performance? He gets the night after missing the previous 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.440 game with that spring knee, and a lot of fans 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.520 are clamoring for Bryce Petty right now. Ty Bowl stuck 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.960 to his guns. He said, I'm gonna play whoever gives 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:57.880 me the best chance to win. It goes back to 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.800 fits uh fits at a pair of touchdown passes in 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.280 that ball game, the one turnover late. What did you 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:09.480 make of his game? Well, we'll talk about two issues first. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.239 First of all, was talking about Ryan's performance. I thought 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:17.520 wine Ryan's performance was um a winning performance for most 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.120 ball games, but not a not enough for a team 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.160 like the Patriots. Um. When you are able to hold 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.680 the Patriots to essentially seven team points before the last 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.040 drive and then twenty two points total, you have as 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.560 an offense have to find a way to capitalize on 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.800 that and see that as your opportunity. Hey, we don't 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.640 have to score this game thirty this game to win. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.600 We we just need to you know, at first we 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.720 just need to score seventeen and then have a drive 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.760 to keep them off the field, or once they get 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.720 to twenty two, now you've got a chance to drive 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.320 down the field to score and win the football game. 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.840 So there was it was an efficient performance, one of 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.200 his better performances, and if it was against another team, 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.680 it would have been a Jets win, but it wasn't 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.800 because it was the Patriots. So now the second issue 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.920 is this um. In my opinion, you don't just play 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.080 players just to play them, just to see what they have. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:20.760 And right now, it is obvious that the um discrepancy 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.239 between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Bryce Petty is really large. Uh, 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.080 there's a huge difference there and how the offense operates 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.760 with Ryan in the game versus Bryce in the game. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.839 And that's only uh, from one game of watching Bryce play, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.480 but you can just tell and I would would imagine 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:42.440 that that's what the coaching staff feels as well. And so, uh, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.359 it's funny that we talked about, well, we need to, 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.599 you know, give players a chance to develop. But the 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:52.440 problem is is that down the road, those losses still 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.239 count on that team and that coach in particular, there's 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.920 no hall pass given when a coach in George six law, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.720 this is because he was trying to play a young 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.479 player and developed, and then when it's time to evaluate, 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.000 they don't look at those things. They do, and fans 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.960 do even more so. You know, as a coach and 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.800 a staff, you're trying to win games, period in the 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.719 story and development comes second. You said the gap is wide, 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:21.839 and we I was at both games. But from a 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:28.279 quarterbacks perspective, what can you tell as far as the 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.040 way that offense operates between maybe a guy that's starting 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.560 out like Bryce and is making his first career start 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.200 and then a guy like Fitzpatrick has been with Shane 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.520 Gailey for five years. He's been with these guys his 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.240 teammates for two years here with the Jets, and like 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.080 you mentioned last week, it's not like he hasn't had 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.480 success in this offense. There anty want touchdown pass. His 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.640 last season, the Jets set a franchise record in terms 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.120 of total yards. But just from game the game, what 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:01.160 did you see from a quarterbacks perspective the difference uh 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:06.760 with the guy at the controls, efficiency, inconsistency and so 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.960 for instance, first of all, as far as efficiencies concerned. Um, 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.960 you know, with Bryce the in the game that he 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.680 did play, and I'm sure this happens in practice as well. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:22.479 The easy ones aren't hit enough, where with Ryan the 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:27.080 easy ones are always hit most of the time. And 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.120 then the NFL, you have to hit hit the easy ones, 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.760 the ones that are gimmes. You gotta make them. You 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.400 gotta make those layups because if you don't, it just 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:42.200 makes your job as an offense even more difficult. Then, Um, 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:46.040 the fifty fifties are being made more consistently as well, 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.560 and the tougher throws and the tougher reads and those 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.480 things are being made more consistently as well. So you're 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.279 looking at an offense that's just more efficient, that has 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.880 the opportunity to be more competitive, to put more points 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:03.360 on the board. All those things come into play. Whereas 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.840 with the younger quarterback right now, that's not happening because 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.280 if if the staff felt like that that could happen, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.720 or that they had seen enough evidence in practice for 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.640 that to happen, they would have made the switch. If 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.720 it was even close at all, I think the staff 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.120 would have made the switch. It makes complete sense. But 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.320 when it's not closed, you can't just do that. You 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.160 just don't do it just for the sake of doing it. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.720 You know what I think is being lost, Uh during 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:35.240 this whole quarterback talk, Uh, as we continue to go forward, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.760 is something you mentioned last week and that stuck with 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.200 me was that it's not just the evaluation of the quarterback, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:46.840 it's the evaluation of everybody on that field. And this 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.280 is not a knock on price, but as to say, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.320 if you put them in the lineup and you got 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.480 some young guys out there, whether it be a Robby 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.080 Anderson or a Quincy of Noon, while well, I still 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.040 consider young. I know it's a third year and in 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.160 a file he's considered a second year player as far 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.520 as accredited seasons are concerned. But if you limit the 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.760 playbook or narrow the playbook, then you might be limiting 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:17.120 the evaluations of those players as well. Right, there's no 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.040 question about it. It all works hand in hand. And um, 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.480 if you have one player that is limiting what you're 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.960 doing offensively, and obviously that is the quarterback position, because 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.920 everyone else can adapt, then you limit the evaluation of 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.240 the other players as well. And this notion that the 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:39.760 only way you can evaluate is through game experience is false. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:45.360 There's so much evaluation going on during practice and during 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.480 those meetings and finding out how a guy thinks and 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.360 what I thought process is and how is he getting 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.640 better and then watching that translate into practice. You you 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:59.959 don't just use the game model to see if someone's improved. Now, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.240 why the fans want to see the game model because 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.680 that's the only thing that they see that that's the 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:09.000 only thing that broadcasters see. The journalistic they don't necessarily 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.640 see the improvements in practice, so that's why they call 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:17.359 for it. But from a coaching standpoint, you can see improvement. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.720 The game is just the icing on the cake. The 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.520 true improvement comes throughout the week, week by week, practice 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.720 by practice, meeting by meeting. What is quincy and Doon 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:32.720 was ceiling? We see him on games like Sunday where 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.839 he gets singled off. We got some Malcolm Butler and 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.800 makes that beautiful catch down the field in the first half, 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.720 and he makes those explosion plays and you see the 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.400 energy it creates, not only on the sideline but inside 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.959 the stadium. He's kind of a he's kind of a 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.960 player that has that kind of chemistry, got a fire 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:56.280 attached to him, and you mentioned Calvin prior last year 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.440 with the defense when the defense got in the groove, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.800 I feel that way with a noon when he's involved, 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.200 I feel like the offense is different. And then we 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:09.640 saw that fantastic touchdown catch by Q in the fourth 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.839 quarter where the Jets got their final points and took 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.440 that lead in the fourth But that, you know, do 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.240 you see that those kind of qualities and what kind 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:23.160 of ceiling does this guy have? Well, I think first 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.280 of all, he's made tremendous improvement and he is a 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.760 guy that three years. I use that three to five 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.200 year window because it's true, and I know nobody wants 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.640 to talk about it and people want to not believe it, 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.960 but the three to five year window for most players, 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.160 that third year is just the year where the light 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:45.199 bulb comes on um and things start to click um. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.920 And it's not three years for everybody, but that that's 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.600 kind of a sweet spot. That's the wheelhouse for players 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.560 developing to be able to see that hard work in 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:57.280 that progression come to fruition on the field. And for him, 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:02.280 he has really maximized his opportunity. With the importunate injury 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.360 to Decker. Now the Jets have gotten better because they 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.280 know now going into next year with those three receivers, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.160 I mean, they're feeling really really good about what they 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:18.200 have on the perimeter and and that's been really good 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:22.119 to see. And so he brings a physicality, he brings 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.480 a competitive edge. Uh, he brings a little bit of 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.760 vinegar to the situation. You've got to have that as 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.480 a as a quarterback, that word vinegar means you gotta 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.080 have a little bit nasty. You gotta have a little 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.440 bit competitive juice in you. You've got to be willing 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.840 to fight in the scrap and claw. He has that, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.400 and you love to see that in a receiver because 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.440 that means those balls that you throw as a quarterback, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.240 most of the time, they're going to be for you. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.880 Because of his nature and his ability and uh and 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:55.880 willingness to compete. Part Scott mentioned a Kwan bull when 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.760 watching a neone One see some similarities there. I know, 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.559 all it's early, and I know you probably don't want 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.760 to put too many comparisons and a guy so early 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.800 in his career, and Bolden has been a tremendous productive 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:14.400 player for some time now, but just the physical characteristics 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.920 and the way he goes about his business well exactly. 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:23.079 I see similarities in his physicality and his body style. 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:29.200 I see differences in Quincy's faster, much faster than an 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.040 kloon Bolden. But an Quan has a better knack of 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.960 how to get open and that comes with experience and 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.679 things like that, so he could have that type of production. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.440 I do agree with that. And if you get that 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.920 type of production, you should be feeling really good as 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.520 a jetman knowing that you've got a young receiver that 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.280 can give you an Kuombolden type production, because that's that's 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.000 pretty special. Jets fans are so eager to get the 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.240 two thousand seventeen and there's still five games remaining. But 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:01.400 you mentioned Decker before. You gotta be excited about the 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:06.520 wide receiver group here that Mike mcagnan and Todd Bowles 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.760 have assembled. Because Decker was here before they came, but 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:16.040 they traded for Marshall. Uh. They've helped with the development 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:17.800 of Quincy and Noon While and then they brought in 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.679 these three young guys. Robbie Anderson continues to flash he 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.680 made the mistake. I asked Brandon Marshall about it. He said, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.640 ball security is job security. Yours in mind, I think 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.040 Robbie will learn from that. And his locker is right 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.520 next to they forementioned Brandon Marshall, and then they had 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.120 a couple of other young guys like Jalen Marshall and 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.240 Tehron Peak. So you know, and when everybody's thinking about 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.760 the future, you gotta look at the wide receiver position 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.120 offensively and say, okay, we should be in pretty good 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.880 shape here. Absolutely, I think you feel really good. That's 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.840 probably the one area where going to the off season 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.280 there's not much to be done there. I think just 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.720 in visual improvement and really focusing on as a group 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.120 how they improve. But as far as new faces, I 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.040 don't think there's much to be done there at all. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.400 They should feel really good about that group. And and 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.560 to be honest with you, let's let's be honest here. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.559 And of course this this conversation is for most of 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.480 the teams in the NFL, but we get so enamored 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.600 with the records that we feel like because the team 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.960 is three and eight, they are so far off. The 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.120 Jets aren't far off at all. Uh. If you look 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.240 at the game, I can pick three games Bengals, Patriots 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.680 and Dolphins. You put those in the win column, you're 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.160 six and five, you're in the playoffs, unt, you're Buffalo, 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.600 and right now, to me, there's no difference between Buffalo 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:48.320 Miami and New York nothing at all other than Buffalo 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.760 Miami have won those tight games the Jets have not. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.320 That's that's the bottom line. So moving into the off 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.640 season or even looking at development of players right now, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:04.640 you're trying to to me development is developing. It's if 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.400 you if you ever been on hold when you call 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.920 the New York Jets office, what do you hear Tom 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.120 Bowls talk about? What makes you strong? Adversity? That's what 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.000 you It's what you uh hear him talk about, whether 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.680 it be him as an individual, this organization and history 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.560 of it. It's about how do you handle adversity? Well, 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.320 right now, this team's got a lot of adversity. But 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.840 that doesn't mean you just blow it up. What that 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.240 means is you, these players and this staff have to 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.800 learn how to fight through this adversity, get better through 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.800 this diversity, to make them better for next year. And 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.240 that doesn't mean to play musical chairs at quarterback or 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.320 musical chairs in any position, or you blow it up 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.240 and go find three new players that doesn't mean that 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.120 at all. It means you learn how to fight through 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.080 this adversity together. So the next year when this happened, 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.760 you're on the winning side, not the losing side. Can 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.680 you explain, uh, what you would say to a Jet 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.720 Fanneal came up to you right now said, hey, listen, 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.560 you know I'm a Jet fan. This season is over. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.040 I want to high draft pick. I want you to 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:15.360 explain why these five games are so important. Because you 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.640 can't carry over wins from year to year. But we 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.520 think about this Jets Patriots game and the Jets weren't 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.520 able to finish. Don't you have to create that culture 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:32.360 even though you don't bring wins over next September. But 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.880 if you win a couple of these down the stretch, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.920 and maybe you have to make some critical plays in 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.080 the fourth quarter, maybe I have a comeback or two 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.000 along the way, a lot of these guys are gonna 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.400 be here next year. There is a roster change, personnel people, 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.520 UH will make changes here and there, and there's every 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.440 roster changes in the National Football League. But can you 0:16:53.480 --> 0:17:00.520 explain about the culture of winning and how it's never 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.720 too late or too early to create that Because some 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.600 of that can carry over, can it? Because if you're 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.720 in a huddle with somebody and you lead a late 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:14.320 game charge in week fourteen this year, or you make 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.800 an interception in week fifteen, then that's got to help 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.720 your confidence going into two thousand seventeen that Hey, we've 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.520 been here before, so can you can you talk about 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:31.200 that a little bit? Absolutely? As a fan and I'm 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.000 a fan as well, we are so programmed to be 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:42.159 instantly gratified, and we use this game as entertainment. Okay, Now, 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.840 as a coach and a player, and as an owner 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:49.760 and an employee of an organization, this isn't just entertainment. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:56.960 This is an instant gratification. This is about creating consistency, efficiency, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:02.119 and longevity. That's what it's about. A culture doesn't and 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:06.119 changing a culture and creating a culture doesn't happen in 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.640 a week a month. It doesn't even happen in a year. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:16.480 It takes years and numerous experiences and highs and lows 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.719 to create the type of culture that you want to 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:24.359 create longevity and to be the organization that fans want 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.520 the organization to be. That takes time, and through that 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.880 turnover of players, coaches, employees does not create the culture 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.960 that you're looking for at all. All turnover to me 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.320 does is say that as a decision maker, I'm a 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.840 poor decision maker, because if I'm turning into over all 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.720 the time, I'm not making the decisions before the decision 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.399 and we're just we're playing musical chairs and it's whatever 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.200 the flavor of the month is. That doesn't create a 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.880 winning product, That doesn't create a winning program. All that 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.000 creates is flashes in the pan. And I would hope 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.439 as Jet fans, you're not looking for just to flash 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.040 in the pan. You're looking to get out of this 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.120 mindset of just being good every once in a while 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.600 and at least competing and having a product out there 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.800 that you can be proud of year in and year out, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.520 regardless if you make the playoffs every year. But if 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.879 you're competing for the playoffs and you're in it, and 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:21.760 when you're not in it, you're right there knocking on 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.560 the door, then you can be proud of that. But 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.920 when you're up and down like a roller coaster, that's 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.280 nothing to be proud of. And so that's why you're 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.360 trying to create the right culture and and the right 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.000 program for what you're trying to get accomplished. So I 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.199 like this matchup coming up Monday night. I think that 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:45.320 if the Jet spray the same energy, the same spirit, 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.240 the same emotion, they tighten up a couple of things. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.159 I think this is the perfect opponent for them. With 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.800 that being said, before I ask you about the Colts, 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.399 I just want to real quickly your thoughts on the 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.919 defense of effort overall. Any time your whole brady to 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.160 four or fourteen on third down and two or five 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.720 inside the red zone, you gotta be happy. Conversely, you're 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.000 not happy because you didn't come up with the late 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:19.200 stop and you didn't have any takeaways. It was a 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.920 winning effort, Eric, It really was. To me as an 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.720 offensive minded guy, uh in which I think defensively a 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.600 lot of times it was a winning defensive effort. If 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.399 I would like to see something a little bit different, 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.920 you would like to see a turn up created um. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.480 And besides that, you would like to see every once 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.440 a while on those gotta have it plays, those down 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.680 to the nitty gritty plays that have to be made, 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.000 you'd like to see some of those be made. To 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.080 flip the switch, to flip the momentum. You look at 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:56.200 New England. They did nothing defensively. Uh that really stuck 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.119 out except you know, the one big play to me 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.840 was that was a huge win. But learn knocks the ball. 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:05.400 He physically and literally punches the ball out of Robby 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.760 Anderson's hands. That's just a heavy football play knowing that 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.919 your team needs a spark. That's the only thing I 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.200 can I can see right now as far as playing 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:19.360 good overall tough defense. Don't once you're supposed to do 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.119 grading out well. Yeah, they're all they all should be 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.720 grading out relatively well. But see here, here's the thing. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.360 Here's the difference. Sometimes grading out well doesn't mean that 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.600 you put in a winning performer, because every once in 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.960 a while, a great play has to be made to win. Secondly, 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.600 I think this team, when you get in a situation 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.239 like this where you're three and a you know you're 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:44.480 not making the playoffs, he goes beyond the game of football. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.960 It just comes down man to man and how much 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.680 pride you have and what you do as a professional 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.880 football player, and how much how how much accountability you're 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.960 gonna have to each other to step up as men, 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:00.359 not as football players, as men and be it conable 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:02.479 and find a way to win and fight and scrap 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.639 and call. And there's a difference between When I was 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:07.679 at the Jets, I trained with Teddy Atlas for a 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.760 year and one thing Teddy taught me mentally was that 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.640 there's a difference between fighting to survive and fighting to win. 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.520 Fighting to survive, you're just playing, You're putting in a 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.600 good effort, But are you really making those conscious choices 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.600 step back in the fight and truly try to win 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.719 the game, or are you just satisfied with being patted 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.720 on the back for a good effort. There's a difference, 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.360 and that's where this team is right now, And as individuals, 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.439 you've got to make a decision. I just fight to 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:38.800 survive every Sunday and get patted on the back because 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.560 I graded out well and had a good effort, or 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.080 do I really fight to win and make those when 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.960 he played to win a game, and that that's a 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:51.439 huge difference. Do you ever read Teddy Atlas's book? I 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:53.639 haven't read it him full No, but I had a 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.680 full year of him, so I know exactly what that book. 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:01.560 Oh my god, Teddy Atlas on believable intensity and just 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.040 using his hands to a great boxing trainer. And we 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.000 know he worked with Mike Tyson way back in the 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:12.360 day Cat's Skills and then UH trained Michael Moore actually 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:16.040 who became heavyweight champion as well, and recently he's been 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:21.440 doing some work with Tim Bradley as well. So, um, 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:26.000 this guy when he trained you, did you ever feel 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:29.399