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Speaker 1: Thursday night and all the drama, the NFL drafts all
Speaker 1: about misinformation. Teams are leaking false rumors all over the place,
Speaker 1: but one team is typically more mysterious than the rest,
Speaker 1: The New England Patriots. The mock drafters have no idea
Speaker 1: what Bill Belichick and company are going to do, and
Speaker 1: Belichick is in an unusual position this year. For the
Speaker 1: first time ever, the Patriots have a top fifteen pick.
Speaker 1: Are they going to stay at fifteen? They're usually twenty
Speaker 1: five or lower, so they're not even in play for
Speaker 1: top guys. For the last two decades they didn't need
Speaker 1: a quarterback. What a great luxury. And now they're in
Speaker 1: a completely different situation. It makes sense for them to
Speaker 1: maybe trade down or trade into the top ten to
Speaker 1: take a quarterback, even if it's going to cost them
Speaker 1: a few draft picks here and cynically, you might say,
Speaker 1: who cares if they lose some picks. The Patriots have
Speaker 1: had a bad run of drafts anywhere anyway, and even
Speaker 1: their owner, Robert Kraft has admitted the strategy hasn't worked
Speaker 1: of late. You get the feeling that this could be
Speaker 1: a new era for the Pats or er Er. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're going to make it any easier
Speaker 1: to predict. Are they going to get a quarterback? Will
Speaker 1: a quarterback fall to them? What if they start to
Speaker 1: look at how it's going to unfold and they start
Speaker 1: to see that maybe there is some fertile land that
Speaker 1: they could jump into, like the seventh, eighth, ninth pick,
Speaker 1: move up a little bit and maybe take a quarterback,
Speaker 1: because there are some teams that are going to wait
Speaker 1: and may have a decision to make if that quarterback
Speaker 1: is there on the board when it's their turn. You
Speaker 1: can look at Detroit and say, you got Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: why would you be thinking about a quarterback? But they
Speaker 1: are Carolina, You got Sam Darnold, just traded for him.
Speaker 1: But they are Denver Drew Law as a young player,
Speaker 1: given another year. But they're looking at quarterback as well.
Speaker 1: And there'll be other teams, you know, in the first round.
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't rule out the Steelers at least
Speaker 1: looking at a quarterback if there was a possibility to
Speaker 1: get that quarterback because Ben may have one more year.
Speaker 1: Then what do you do? And everybody talks about the future, Hey,
Speaker 1: we got a quarterback for the future, the futures now,
Speaker 1: Like Green Bay's future is Jordan Love, but the future
Speaker 1: is now. You know, the Rams decided Jared Goff's not
Speaker 1: our future. He was under contract, he was a serviceable quarterback.
Speaker 1: We can upgrade with Matthew Stafford. Like win Now Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, they went out and they rebuilt their offensive
Speaker 1: line because the futures now winning a Super Bowl. Now
Speaker 1: improve the line and you're able to go to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl again. They don't need draft picks, they need
Speaker 1: people come in right now play because that team is
Speaker 1: ready to go back to the super Bowl with a
Speaker 1: healthy offensive line. And I was wondering about this with Greenbay.
Speaker 1: The front office says that Aaron Rodgers is our quarterback
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. Okay, I don't know what that means,
Speaker 1: because at some point you have to see if Jordan
Speaker 1: Love was worth taking in the first round and you
Speaker 1: can't trade him. And I thought, how about this trade?
Speaker 1: You trade Jordan Love to the Atlanta Falcons for Julio Jones.
Speaker 1: Now there's no information on this. This is just one
Speaker 1: of those sports radio trades that normally somebody calling up
Speaker 1: to me saying, Hey, Dan, how about Jordan Love for
Speaker 1: Julio Jones? All hang up and listen. Yeah, see, is
Speaker 1: there any buzz or demand for Jordan Love whatsoever? No,
Speaker 1: not right now. But that's because you have five quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in this draft. You know, seven quarterbacks who are going
Speaker 1: to be you know, drafted high, and then next year
Speaker 1: you're gonna have another wave of quarterbacks and then another way.
Speaker 1: So Jordan Love, we don't even know who he is,
Speaker 1: what he is. We know what he was in college,
Speaker 1: and he had a good junior year, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know you're going is the Is
Speaker 1: he at first round? Yeah, he's a first trade. He's
Speaker 1: going to Packard WHOA Okay? And then I think the
Speaker 1: Packers were surprised that Aaron Rodgers played well because that
Speaker 1: kind of screwed up the plans here. And if you
Speaker 1: do trade Jordan Love, then you're admitting we made a
Speaker 1: mistake a couple of years ago when we could have
Speaker 1: taken a wide receiver. Yeah. I've been crunching in salary
Speaker 1: cap numbers, Dan, that trade totally can't work out. Yes,
Speaker 1: what shouldn't Jordan Love be attractive to a like a
Speaker 1: high second round team. This guy was the twenty sixth
Speaker 1: pick of the draft. He has a year of experience,
Speaker 1: he has a rookie deal. You don't even have to
Speaker 1: pay his bonus money, so most of his bonus money.
Speaker 1: You could get a guy who's a first round pick
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago for a high second round pick. Maybe,
Speaker 1: But you know, he's not hot right now, He's not
Speaker 1: a new guy, and I don't know where he would
Speaker 1: be with these quarterbacks this year. We like to look
Speaker 1: at these quarterbacks and go, where would such and such
Speaker 1: be if he came out in this year's draft. But now,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I can reach out to somebody and ask them,
Speaker 1: you know, where would Jordan Loves stack up with these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks here? You know, is he better than Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: going to the Jets? Like? Is he better than Justin Fields?
Speaker 1: Trey Lance? Mac Jones? Yes? What was it? There were
Speaker 1: like mocks early on that Jordan Love was gonna be
Speaker 1: a top five guy at some point and then didn't
Speaker 1: he play really badly his last year? Or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well he lost a lot of his weapons. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: how do you judge at utaught state quarterback? That's what
Speaker 1: it still don't understand that guy. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you judge a BYU quarterback who in a season with
Speaker 1: the pandemic didn't play anybody. How do I judge Trey
Speaker 1: Lance who didn't play at all? He played one games.
Speaker 1: It's really true. It's hard to troubleshoot these quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: go yep, I got a pretty good handle here, like
Speaker 1: justin fields. I don't know what else he could have
Speaker 1: done because I can't question his toughness that hit he
Speaker 1: took in the Clemson game. I can't question his desire.
Speaker 1: He was single handedly leading the Big Ten back to
Speaker 1: play football. It was that important to him. But now
Speaker 1: you know that comes out that he has epilepsy. And
Speaker 1: I did have a source say there are some teams
Speaker 1: who will be gunshy of that, like that'll make them nervous.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones had at least one DUI. I haven't heard
Speaker 1: anybody say we got concerns about that. Now, he was
Speaker 1: a freshman in Alabama. But imagine if that was one
Speaker 1: of these other quarterbacks that we have questions about, you'd
Speaker 1: be going like didn't show good judgment there, Like we're questioning,
Speaker 1: you know, justin fields because why, I mean, he ran
Speaker 1: a four four forty, He played, he played hard, played, hurt,
Speaker 1: had big numbers. But maybe we've seen too much. Yes,
Speaker 1: NFL Network and NFL dot Com has prospect grades on
Speaker 1: every possible draft pick. So for instance, if you're like
Speaker 1: a seven, you're an all timer. Like seven point zero
Speaker 1: over six means you're destined to be a starter in
Speaker 1: your first two seasons. So there's numbers and everyone. Mac
Speaker 1: Jones his prospect grade is six point three three this year. Okay,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love's prospect grade last year was six point three six,
Speaker 1: about the same. He is six point three six for
Speaker 1: Jordan Love would put him fifth, ahead of mac Jones,
Speaker 1: but behind the other four draft prospects in this draft
Speaker 1: based off NFL dot Com. But they're a I mean,
Speaker 1: jobs are attached to this of trying to assess what's happening,
Speaker 1: you know, Mac Jones. I was told this yesterday. It
Speaker 1: was reinforced to me. Kyle Shanahan's making the pick, and
Speaker 1: Kyle wants Mac Jones. There are people in the building,
Speaker 1: as I told you a month ago, who like Trey Lance. Now,
Speaker 1: Trey Lance is working out with Tom House. Tom House
Speaker 1: is a famous quarterback guru. Tom Brady has worked out
Speaker 1: with him. You know, quite a few Marquee quarterbacks have
Speaker 1: worked out with Tom, and Tom's a former pitcher. He
Speaker 1: was there caught Hank Aaron's seven fifteenth home run, but
Speaker 1: he was He's working with Trey Lance right now because,
Speaker 1: as one scout told me yesterday, he has some work
Speaker 1: to do to catch up mechanically. And Tom House and
Speaker 1: John Beck, the former BYU quarterback, are working with Trey
Speaker 1: Lance right now as we speak on mechanics. The Niners,
Speaker 1: from what I'm told, are monitoring this progress and they
Speaker 1: know they have a great relationship with Tom House, so
Speaker 1: they sort of know they're keeping an eye on what's
Speaker 1: going on here. But you know, do I think the
Speaker 1: Niners are going to take somebody different than Mac Jones
Speaker 1: right now? No, because my source hasn't wavered other than
Speaker 1: to say there are at least a person or people
Speaker 1: in the building who like Trey Lance over Mac Jones. Yes,
Speaker 1: when you say monitoring, do you mean monitoring or creating
Speaker 1: this process where they had basically John Beck, their guy
Speaker 1: is working out Trey Lance for him. It feels like
Speaker 1: an extended tryout for a month. Does he switched coaches? Right?
Speaker 1: Is that the story on him? Yes? But then did
Speaker 1: the Niners create all this to see what they have
Speaker 1: in Trey Lance? I think so? And then the Niners,
Speaker 1: did you know on the pro days they worked, they
Speaker 1: had their guy working out Trey Lanz and Justin Fields,
Speaker 1: so they're they're sort of creating their own little combine here.
Speaker 1: But that's what I was told that Tom House is
Speaker 1: working with Trey Lance and he's got some work to
Speaker 1: do because as he didn't play last year, and they
Speaker 1: got to work on some mechanics, whatever those mechanics are.
Speaker 1: That was what I was told today. I got ahead
Speaker 1: of myself. I jumped right into the topic here. With
Speaker 1: the misinformation that comes out, now you do start to
Speaker 1: hear some things that are real. The Niners aren't even
Speaker 1: willing to tell you who they're taking at number three.
Speaker 1: We know who goes one and two. But the Niners
Speaker 1: are on the clock right now. And Kyle Shanahan held
Speaker 1: a press conference yesterday. I don't know, are you obligated
Speaker 1: to hold a press conference, because if I'm the Niners,
Speaker 1: I don't even hold a press conner. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say anything about anybody unless you're trying to leak something,
Speaker 1: But then how does that benefit you. Here's Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: on not listening to outside noise on who to take
Speaker 1: number three. Overall, I've seen the look of people's face
Speaker 1: when they do read social media. I know how I've
Speaker 1: felt when I've done it after a bad loss or something.
Speaker 1: Get involved in that. It will affect how you are,
Speaker 1: how you think, and what you do, and I hope
Speaker 1: people are and that will affect me if I got
Speaker 1: really involved in that. But I can promise people that
Speaker 1: you have two people who make sure we don't get
Speaker 1: involved in that, because that is so irresponsible to let
Speaker 1: something like that affect your decision. We do this for
Speaker 1: a living, and I think people should be proud of
Speaker 1: us that we won't let that affect our decision. And
Speaker 1: then it's up to us to live with the consequences.
Speaker 1: And I understand that I wouldn't be listening to outside noise,
Speaker 1: but I want to listen to the noise inside. Are
Speaker 1: you listen to your scouts? Yeah? Like it's one thing
Speaker 1: to say, hey, turn the sound up. Kuiper's talking about
Speaker 1: who we should take. If I'm a coach or a GM,
Speaker 1: I gotta trust the people I have in the building.
Speaker 1: But I have to listen to the people in the building.
Speaker 1: That's why you do your due diligence. Yeah. Mcluv, I
Speaker 1: laughed at your group, tex SJA. You said, shouldn't every
Speaker 1: team doing that? Yes? Yeah, Paula goes, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: look what Shanahan said. I go, yeah, but every team
Speaker 1: should be doing this. Don't listen to anybody. You don't
Speaker 1: think a team should be reading Kiper's mock draft to say, well,
Speaker 1: he's got him five, I guess I should take him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking here at Bucky Brooks and he says, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's what you should be doing.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some people who are influenced that way.
Speaker 1: And then you know Kyle Shanahan, who does have a
Speaker 1: quarterback on the roster that took them to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He talked about the problem with Jimmy Garoppolo. The biggest
Speaker 1: thing with Jimmy is his injuries has been very tough
Speaker 1: for us. When he's been hurt, and you know, it
Speaker 1: has happened two out of these three years. That's where
Speaker 1: it starts, and Jimmy knows that I have been very
Speaker 1: upfront with him with everything, and you know, we've been
Speaker 1: zooming these last two weeks. I'm excited to get him
Speaker 1: in here coming up, especially when this draft's over. But
Speaker 1: I feel very fortunate taking a rookie quarterback that we
Speaker 1: do have a guy like Jimmy. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: take a rookie quarterback and you have a veteran like
Speaker 1: Jimmy who we know we can win with, just to
Speaker 1: move on from that is something that it's not easy
Speaker 1: to do. That is a good situation for us, and
Speaker 1: I think that's something that will be important to us
Speaker 1: this year. Oh boy, that clears that up right. Yep.
Speaker 1: Nothing to see here, just a team that traded three
Speaker 1: first round picks to move up to take a quarterback. Yes.
Speaker 1: In other words, God gets hurt all the time. Do
Speaker 1: you expect this to do? He got to break it, hey,
Speaker 1: but we've been zooming with him and we can't wait
Speaker 1: to see him. Do you think he still has his
Speaker 1: parking spot? When Garoppolo shows up and he hasn't said anything.
Speaker 1: He'd been really quiet through all of this. Now, some
Speaker 1: of his teammates, including George Kittle have kind of spoke
Speaker 1: up on his behalf, and then the Niners said they
Speaker 1: don't want anybody to know what they're doing with their pick.
Speaker 1: You don't want the whole league knowing exactly what you're
Speaker 1: set on four days before the draft. And we also
Speaker 1: care about a lot of people that have been involved
Speaker 1: in this, and we got to know a lot of
Speaker 1: people and stuff, and those are the type of questions
Speaker 1: like narrow it down, or who's been a liminator, things
Speaker 1: like that that one I don't know if I want
Speaker 1: the league to know. I don't think it necessarily helps.
Speaker 1: And that's why we really one's really going to know
Speaker 1: whether we know or not we pick, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of what we're comfortable keeping it at. Okay, oh, and
Speaker 1: then he hit the home run. Then Kyle Shanahan didn't
Speaker 1: disappoint when he talked about if Jimmy Garoppolo is going
Speaker 1: to be with the team, can you say we're certainty
Speaker 1: that Jimmy Garoppolo will be on the roster on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I can't guarantee that anybody in the world will be
Speaker 1: alive Sunday, so I can't guarantee you who will be
Speaker 1: on our roster on Sunday, so that goes for all
Speaker 1: of us. I don't know what the next question was,
Speaker 1: but I would assume it would be something like, hypothetically,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo is still alive on Sunday? Is he on
Speaker 1: the roster? Coach? Because you know these teams, these coaches
Speaker 1: want to go Bellachecki in on you, and there's only
Speaker 1: one Bill, Like Bill can do it because Bill has
Speaker 1: the swag, he's got the cache, He's one of the
Speaker 1: great coaches of all time, and he can away with that.
Speaker 1: He can be gruff, he can be short, abrupt. But
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan saying that, you know, there's no guarantee that
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo or any of us will be alive on Sunday.
Speaker 1: But but hypothetically, coach, let's say he is, will he
Speaker 1: be on the roster? Yes? He feels like we're living
Speaker 1: in an era of coaches saying just really odd things
Speaker 1: in that attempt to be sort of belichick in or
Speaker 1: you know, like mysterious or something, you know, where they're
Speaker 1: not going to tell the media anything. They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, we do that rock paper scissor.
Speaker 1: That's a competitive we are here. He'll, dude, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? I can't even say if anybody's going
Speaker 1: to be alive. What we're just talking about if the
Speaker 1: guy's gonna play football or not? What do you now
Speaker 1: he's dead? Or are you saying the only way he's
Speaker 1: not on the roster is if he's dead? What are
Speaker 1: you saying? I hope other coaches don't pick up on
Speaker 1: this strategy. And when you ask a question about somebody, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know if he's going to be alive. None
Speaker 1: of us know that we're gonna be alive on Sunday, Mcca.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm having for lunch today. Guys, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: they want to tell us? Is there a meteor you
Speaker 1: know about jim Cantre coming to town? Yeah? I ever
Speaker 1: heard of the rapture? Guys, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: so you said Sunday, So I don't know what? Okay? Yes,
Speaker 1: mclove him. Yeah, who cares about his parking spot on Sunday?
Speaker 1: Jimmy could be happy if he's alive coming Sunday on Monday?
Speaker 1: All right. I'm called about George Kittle too. Hey, if
Speaker 1: you're not guaranteeing Jimmy g Well, what are the coaches
Speaker 1: supposed to say? Like, what approach? Because I think they
Speaker 1: all kind of have to do these press conferences and
Speaker 1: nobody wants to give away their pick. No, but I
Speaker 1: I look, I love that he gave his content. But
Speaker 1: I think that there's a way. Remember when Less Snead
Speaker 1: the Rams GM and then Sean McVay, they said, well,
Speaker 1: Jared Goff's our quarterback for now. Okay, boy, nothing to
Speaker 1: read into there, I mean, barring a zombie apocalypse. Yeah, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's our quarterback for now. It's not like it's, oh,
Speaker 1: we're so grateful that he's our quarter back for now.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, he's our quarterback for now. Basically, that next
Speaker 1: line is until we complete the Matthew Stafford trade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's our quarterback. But they both said it, and you've
Speaker 1: gotten more transparency. It feels like, although I don't know
Speaker 1: what I got from Kyle Shanahan, but it was entertaining. No,
Speaker 1: they don't have to tell anybody anything. No, you don't
Speaker 1: have to listen to outside noise there and Jimmy Garoppolo's
Speaker 1: injury prone, got it. I would have come up with
Speaker 1: a better line of who knows who's going to be
Speaker 1: alive on Sunday. No, because now there's there's like this
Speaker 1: vigil for Jimmy Garoppolo, Like I want to check on
Speaker 1: Jimmy like hourly, just to make sure he's okay. Yes see,
Speaker 1: I would love to see that meeting today. They get
Speaker 1: to show up at like training facility. It's not hey coach,
Speaker 1: Oh you're alive. Hey Jimmy, great to see you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me should rent one of those little planes, a
Speaker 1: little smoke writing planes, pray for Jimmy. Yeah, it's above
Speaker 1: the stadium, like, say, feris Jimmy Strong? Eight seven seven
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Speaker 1: it's a poll question, but I'm just curious your opinion.
Speaker 1: You mentioned in the first segment team is moving up.
Speaker 1: Which team would be wisest to move up into the
Speaker 1: top ten to get a quarterback? Pittsburgh, Washington Football Team,
Speaker 1: Paul's Chicago Bears, and I don't know if there's another
Speaker 1: one you want to put on there. I was wondering
Speaker 1: if they're Patriots Patriots yet people are saying the Bucks
Speaker 1: might take a quarterback at some point, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they move up, no, because they're just reloading to
Speaker 1: try to go back to the Super Bowl again. Would
Speaker 1: they take one in thirty two? Maybe just for the
Speaker 1: future beas you know, I don't know what the future
Speaker 1: is when you have Tom Brady there, because it feels
Speaker 1: like Brady wants to continue to play a couple of years.
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Speaker 1: for joining us again. We were talking about Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: Of that, you get these cryptic comments from the Packers that, hey,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is our quarterback for the foreseeable future, Like
Speaker 1: at some point they have to decide can Jordan Love play,
Speaker 1: because you know, what are you gonna do? You don't
Speaker 1: want to wait till he's in his like fourth or
Speaker 1: fifth year. But if Jordan Love was coming out this year,
Speaker 1: where would he rank with these other quarterbacks? I think
Speaker 1: he'd be in that second tier. So there's that top
Speaker 1: tier five that's probably all going to go in the
Speaker 1: top ten, and he'd be in that second tier with
Speaker 1: guys like Kellen Mond from Tech Say, Adam Kyle Trash
Speaker 1: from Florida, and Davis Mills from Stanford, because yeah, he's talented.
Speaker 1: But man, the bad that he put on tape back
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, like the turnovers, Like people are gonna
Speaker 1: make the Trey Lance comparisons with him because small school,
Speaker 1: big arms, athletic dudes. But he just threw the ball
Speaker 1: to the other team far too much, and Trey Lance
Speaker 1: did not. What's the Packers strategy here? Man? If I knew,
Speaker 1: I would love to tell you, I just I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. I think they thought Rogers was
Speaker 1: nearing the end. They didn't think they were as good
Speaker 1: as they were last year to be competing for a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and thought that it was kind of a fluke.
Speaker 1: Now it's you always obviously the quarterbacks the most valuable
Speaker 1: position on the football field, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: knock a team for wanting to address that, but many
Speaker 1: had he wasn't going to play on his rookie contract
Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers plays out his contract there, which kind
Speaker 1: of just robs you of what everyone's looking for is
Speaker 1: that cheap quarterback in the NFL. So it didn't really,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, makes sense. How do you separate fact
Speaker 1: from fiction? With what the Niners are going to do,
Speaker 1: they expected to do, rumored to be doing, There is
Speaker 1: no no one knows that. I've talked to guys in
Speaker 1: the four and Niners organization says, Kyle's not talking. Kyle's
Speaker 1: not telling anybody. It is his decision and he is
Speaker 1: going to be the one that makes it so fact
Speaker 1: or fiction. Like He's going to blow smoke as much
Speaker 1: as he possibly can from now until Draft Day because
Speaker 1: it does not behoove him. Similar to like when the
Speaker 1: Browns no one knew who they were taking Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: until the day before. Doesn't behove him to tip his
Speaker 1: hand at all in this situation. Yeah, and it's not similar,
Speaker 1: But I thought of Blake Bortles when Jacksonville surprised everybody
Speaker 1: and took Blake Bortles. I think the surprises they might
Speaker 1: take mac Jones. Was he worth going up to get
Speaker 1: at number three? And where did Pro Football Focus grade
Speaker 1: Mac Jones? Yeah? So if he's fifth in the draft
Speaker 1: class for us, so obviously we would go elsewhere. But
Speaker 1: like I said, the cheap quarterback is so valuable in
Speaker 1: today's NFL. The amount of money you're saving with a
Speaker 1: fifth or through excuse me, third overall pick there compared
Speaker 1: to what they're paying Jimmy Garoppolo, that's two starters you
Speaker 1: can add to your team. So the two future first
Speaker 1: rounders they gave up, well they can go just sign
Speaker 1: two guys in free agency with that cap space. It's
Speaker 1: not necessarily that big a deal that they gave up
Speaker 1: those two first rounders. But to me, he's just not
Speaker 1: at the level you're gonna have to go through Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers in the NFC He's obviously not the level of
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers physically in what he can do with his arm.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go through a Bucks defense in
Speaker 1: the NFC that's loaded and gonna make you throw down
Speaker 1: the football field, and that's where mac Jones is obviously
Speaker 1: the weakest. Like I do think that they are serious concerns.
Speaker 1: Like I would be shooting for the fences if I'm
Speaker 1: giving up three first rounders to go up and get
Speaker 1: one guy, who would you take? I'd take Justin Fields
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. I don't get the massive criticism why
Speaker 1: he's falling down boards. I don't know how many quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in NFL history have with his sort of ability in
Speaker 1: terms of runs. A four four has a strong arm,
Speaker 1: can make place outside the pocket, and is the most
Speaker 1: acrid quarterback in this class on throws ten plus yards
Speaker 1: down the football field. That's a winning combination. Like you
Speaker 1: can the blitz stuff, the processing stuff, Yeah, it's real,
Speaker 1: but those things can be fixed. But what are we missing, Mike,
Speaker 1: Because I had a scout tell me three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: people are over analyzing Justin Fields like you need to
Speaker 1: simplify what you see. It's almost like we've seen too much.
Speaker 1: We like the mystery of Trey Lance and maybe the
Speaker 1: mystery of Mac Jones if that's possible to be an
Speaker 1: Alabama quarterback and be a mystery. Where is Justin Fields
Speaker 1: did this in front of us? Yeah, it's almost the
Speaker 1: NBA draft with Trey Lance's like, oh what could he be? Well?
Speaker 1: What he is right now? It's probably a guy who's
Speaker 1: not ready to play in the NFL. I think Fields
Speaker 1: is ready, and like I said, not a lot of
Speaker 1: guys with his level of tools. You can't teach Mac
Speaker 1: Jones to run a four to four. You can teach
Speaker 1: Justin Fields to get faster. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of those criticisms are also just Ohio State's offense. It's
Speaker 1: a downfield passing offense. They're throwing the ball deep and
Speaker 1: even when there is blitz is like, there's no hot
Speaker 1: reads for him to get the ball off his hands quickly.
Speaker 1: So I do think he is being very much over
Speaker 1: analysed in this scenario. We're talking to a Mike Runner
Speaker 1: Pro Football focused lead draft to analyst Kyle Pitts's he's
Speaker 1: receiving as much verbal bouquets as Jadeveon Clowney. It feels
Speaker 1: like like is it too much here? I honestly don't
Speaker 1: think it is. It's who can who can you know,
Speaker 1: go over the top of the most in their praise
Speaker 1: for Kyle Pitts at this point, and it's really is
Speaker 1: the way he moves for a guy who's six foot
Speaker 1: five almost six six two or forty five pounds. Those
Speaker 1: guys don't exist on NFL fields. They exist on basketball course,
Speaker 1: they exist, you know, in other sports. You just don't
Speaker 1: see guys with his level of movement skills and then
Speaker 1: cadast to catchability, and he's got the biggest wingspan ever
Speaker 1: measured for anyone out of Pro Day, and it's just
Speaker 1: all these sort of things piled together, and I think
Speaker 1: you look at why tight ends fail in the NFL,
Speaker 1: it's because they can't go out and beat cornerbacks. If
Speaker 1: you just want to put Richard Sherman on Jason Witton,
Speaker 1: you know when his prime, Richard Sherman had shut Jason
Speaker 1: Witten down. So Kyle Pitts, though, you saw him go
Speaker 1: up against top cornerbacks and coll football on the outside,
Speaker 1: winning one on one consistently, and that's when it's like
Speaker 1: this guy's kind of what everyone's looking for because he's
Speaker 1: not going to be guarded by cornerbacks. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: guarded by linebackers and safeties, and that's it's a win
Speaker 1: every time. What would you say to the falcons if
Speaker 1: they ask for some kind of advisement strategy? One, I
Speaker 1: would say, hopefully someone wants a Trey Lancer justin fields
Speaker 1: who's sitting there, because that if you can get the
Speaker 1: same deal that the dolphin's got, you go ahead and
Speaker 1: take that end to heartbeat. But then after that, I say,
Speaker 1: you think you're lucky stars like Kyle Pitts is sitting there,
Speaker 1: because guys like that don't get picked fourth overall. Fourth
Speaker 1: overall picks are usually like Dante Fowler. You know there's
Speaker 1: guys are sitting there, usually number four of all that
Speaker 1: aren't as sure a thing as cal pits is. Do
Speaker 1: you like wide receivers in the top ten? I go
Speaker 1: back and forth on this, because you can find him
Speaker 1: in the second round, you can find him in the
Speaker 1: third round. I mean DK mecaf aj Brown, Tarry McLaurin.
Speaker 1: In recent years, it is possible. But when a guy
Speaker 1: is as good as my opinions, Marchase Millshue. You take
Speaker 1: that certainty because it's a valuable position. What that guy
Speaker 1: brings the table just changes defenses and what they have
Speaker 1: to do to you. So, yeah, when you're that good,
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and take to Marchase. I saw where
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus likes the wide receiver I think is
Speaker 1: going to be as steel Elijah Moore. He might not
Speaker 1: be as steel though as we get closer to the draft,
Speaker 1: because he's gotten a whole lot of publicity and you've
Speaker 1: really got to go out of your way to watch
Speaker 1: old miss games or something, you know, but he is.
Speaker 1: It feels like he's going to be great at the
Speaker 1: next level. Yeah. To me, he's closer to that first
Speaker 1: tier of wide receivers that everyone's talking about than he
Speaker 1: is to the second tier of wide receivers. He is
Speaker 1: now five foot nine and played in the slot, and
Speaker 1: everyone's just gonna say, Okay, that's a slot receiver at
Speaker 1: the next level. Now, there's a track record for guys
Speaker 1: like Brandon Cooks, Tyler Lockett, t Y Hilton who have
Speaker 1: been same size, but it's you gotta be an elite athlete,
Speaker 1: and that's Elijah Moore. And if you go back and
Speaker 1: look at his production. Yeah, he had like five hundred
Speaker 1: fewer yards then DeVante Smith. He played five fewer games,
Speaker 1: though he played eight games this past season, put up
Speaker 1: almost twelve hundred yards. Was utterly dominant down the stretch
Speaker 1: their for him. And when he went and got pressed
Speaker 1: by J. C. Horne, the South Carolina cornerback who might
Speaker 1: be the first offensive player in the draft, couldn't touch him.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what you worry about. When guys going
Speaker 1: on the outside instead of playing the slot, and when
Speaker 1: he got pressed in the slot, no one can touch him.
Speaker 1: Give me your thoughts and Pro Football focus his thoughts
Speaker 1: on the chief strategy here. They've rebuilt their offensive line.
Speaker 1: Can they sustain this style? To me, they're playing in
Speaker 1: all they're playing a dangerous game. I'm scared to what
Speaker 1: might that roster might look like in four years, because
Speaker 1: now they're going to have eight guys once they signed
Speaker 1: or in a brown to whatever, making over fourteen million
Speaker 1: dollars a year, by far the most in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Everyone said, the Rams are, you know, a super top
Speaker 1: heavy team given up all these first rounders. They only
Speaker 1: have six guys making fourteen a million plus a year,
Speaker 1: So you have to fill out your roster. Then when
Speaker 1: you have that many guys making that much money, you
Speaker 1: got to have cheap players. And when you don't have
Speaker 1: picks now like they're about to not have picks for
Speaker 1: a while, they're not going to find cheap players on
Speaker 1: rookie deals. And so I think in a few years,
Speaker 1: if guys like you know, Tyreek Hill, Chris Jones, any
Speaker 1: of those guys they're paying a ton of money to
Speaker 1: even Travis Kelsey's into his thirties. Now, if they start
Speaker 1: going downhill and aren't worth that money, aren't that impact
Speaker 1: player or even they get hurt something like that, your
Speaker 1: window is closing, and you got the best quarterback in
Speaker 1: the game, you should be going the Patriots route where
Speaker 1: you got a twenty year window instead of just a
Speaker 1: one year window, because we see how fluky that can
Speaker 1: be year in and year out. If your Pittsburgh, are
Speaker 1: you taking a running back? Hell no? And they of
Speaker 1: all people should know having seen what you know, James
Speaker 1: Connor did in their first year there with the good
Speaker 1: offensive line and then seeing the offensive line go downhill,
Speaker 1: losing Marcus Gilbert at right tackle, losing Ramon Foster, having
Speaker 1: Alijndra Villanueva decline in his thirties and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, James Connor looking pedestrians. They should know that, Like,
Speaker 1: that's the biggest driver to success for running back is
Speaker 1: that offensive line in front of him. And then when
Speaker 1: you have a good offensive line, it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that helps you in pass protection too, which is what
Speaker 1: everyone is looking for. So to me, deep tackle class
Speaker 1: would be a no brainer to go offensive tackle for them.
Speaker 1: How long ago were you on the Bachelor? Three years ago?
Speaker 1: Actually right now? Okay, so I was off by now,
Speaker 1: but three years ago during draft season, I was out
Speaker 1: there in La. What were you doing draft coverage while
Speaker 1: you're competing on the Bachelor. So they don't have a
Speaker 1: phone when you're out there, you can't connect with humanity.
Speaker 1: But I would be asking the producers because it was
Speaker 1: during free agency. I'd be like, hey, where did where
Speaker 1: Josh sit? Inside? You know, like where did these guys sign?
Speaker 1: And they're like, why do you care? I'm like, just
Speaker 1: tell me where there's something, tell me something about the
Speaker 1: Bachelor that I don't see. You barely get to talk
Speaker 1: to the girl, Like so Becca on my season, I
Speaker 1: was there three weeks. Talk to her less than an
Speaker 1: hour total, three weeks of time I talked so like
Speaker 1: I went out there thinking, it's just you know, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get to hang out with this girl. No, not
Speaker 1: even close. Is alcohol always available? So it is. I
Speaker 1: was right after some like scandal on it to where
Speaker 1: they limit you to to an hour. If I figured
Speaker 1: out a way around that where it's like, if you
Speaker 1: start going to an hour early enough in the day,
Speaker 1: you can stockpile them and then you can drink later.
Speaker 1: How long did it take for you to make out
Speaker 1: with Becca? I never did, That's what I say, Like
Speaker 1: within an hour of meeting someone. It just felt weird.
Speaker 1: So I never did. Oh my god, I know, right
Speaker 1: this opportunity. Oh do you get now your hair is
Speaker 1: much shorter now, But do you get people who stop
Speaker 1: you when they see you that? Women come up to you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I used to happen a lot. Not
Speaker 1: as much anymore though after I cut the hair, so
Speaker 1: all right, Well they're not going to have you back though, right, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah. Well, it's great to talk
Speaker 1: to you, Mike. We appreciate it. Have fun this week,
Speaker 1: and we'll check in with you again for sure. To
Speaker 1: enjoy the draft Hells. That's Mike Grinner, Pro Football Focus,
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Speaker 1: you might have noticed us going wild on the cyber
Speaker 1: glass where you're trying to do the NFL draft. Think.
Speaker 1: I think you can. If you look like that, you
Speaker 1: can walk into a bar and talk analytics and still
Speaker 1: do well. And Pauli says that analytics will kill your
Speaker 1: rap Well, it depends on how good looking you are.
Speaker 1: That sometimes we don't really listen to what you're saying.
Speaker 1: We know you're talking, we just don't we're not really listening. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: I think that if you're in a bar and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I would do at work in analytics, it's gonna be like, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: so you're good looking and you're smart. That's the way
Speaker 1: that to me that would come off. I would think
Speaker 1: you're good looking and boring analytics. Yes, boy, it's clear
Speaker 1: if you're listening to radio, Mike Grenner is a good
Speaker 1: looking dude. He's a guy who when he walks in
Speaker 1: the bar's he's a he's a top ten guy in
Speaker 1: the bar. But we don't know. Just because you have that,
Speaker 1: you have game, you can you talk to women. You know,
Speaker 1: Mike Grenner if he wants to break down Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: can probably go all day. But just because you have
Speaker 1: looks don't don't mean you have skills. And plus, if
Speaker 1: I'm a woman, I don't know if I want him
Speaker 1: sort of assessing me like I'm a draft pick. Where
Speaker 1: ole hips? Yeah, I mean there's there there. He would
Speaker 1: probably say, uh, look, I got this combine. I'd like
Speaker 1: you to, uh, you know, go through and you know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to assess some things. Ye. He's a computer
Speaker 1: analytics major at Notre Dame, which is like, I mean
Speaker 1: his life is already set and he's a football expert
Speaker 1: and he's he's like everything that I would want to
Speaker 1: be in my life. He's like me, turn completely right,
Speaker 1: yes done. You can't say, like, I guess, want to
Speaker 1: tell you're a beck of all the women, miss bar.
Speaker 1: I would go out with you seventh of this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lose it every time. You're a value pick. I
Speaker 1: don't appreciate it. But look, I might be moving up
Speaker 1: in a draft. Here, just letting you know that I might.
Speaker 1: I might. I just fight at least six out of
Speaker 1: women more attractive. But I'll buy your drink later in
Speaker 1: the night though. The more your value is increasing, you
Speaker 1: know where you're right? What is it? A two and
Speaker 1: ten and ten and two? Oh yeah? Everybody? Amen. But
Speaker 1: if render tells people he's a draft expert or a
Speaker 1: football analyst, I don't think that plays with the ladies.
Speaker 1: You know, if he said I'm a fireman, he would
Speaker 1: have to fight him off. Yeah. Ye, a draft expert.
Speaker 1: That's not a great opening line. I mean, even being
Speaker 1: a sportscaster, like nobody cared. But guys, do you know?
Speaker 1: You know my wife would always say, uh, there's some
Speaker 1: guys over there looking at you, like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird. But after a while you sort of go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it, Like dudes are gonna be creepy. Yes.
Speaker 1: The first year I started working with you, we're on
Speaker 1: the road a lot. We would go to like a
Speaker 1: sports bar to watch a game. There was like a
Speaker 1: line of dudes to talk to you. And I was
Speaker 1: a single guy at the time. You know, it didn't
Speaker 1: help us. Over there's just tons and tons of dudes
Speaker 1: and hats. Ask you what the line in draft pick? Yeah, yes, ton,
Speaker 1: you ever got rejected and mumble up your breath though
Speaker 1: with as you're walking away dejected? Has that ever happened? No? No,
Speaker 1: because I was never popular. When I met my wife,
Speaker 1: I was sort of you know, on TV at CNN,
Speaker 1: and I had no game whatsoever. So I was lucky
Speaker 1: to find her, that's for sure. Yes, mclub Right didn't
Speaker 1: make out because he told her in episode one he
Speaker 1: said my bachelotte comp for you is Linday in season seven,
Speaker 1: and that was insult into her. He did a yeah,
Speaker 1: comp thank you. It's a little in too deep inside.
Speaker 1: It's better than todd last joke, and that's all I
Speaker 1: care about. You tried to save me the which I appreciate. Well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of the same as Todd's joke, just different.
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Speaker 1: Spending way too much time talking about The Bachelor during
Speaker 1: the commercial break there. This is right up mclovin's alley here.
Speaker 1: You know Mike Run, Mike Runner Pro Football Focus. He
Speaker 1: was one of the Bachelors. He was a contestant on
Speaker 1: The Bachelor. Yeah, football analytics in The Bachelor. That was
Speaker 1: my kind of segment. If you guys were single at
Speaker 1: twenty four, would you have done that? Would you have
Speaker 1: gone on The Bachelor, Yes, time, Yes, I would have
Speaker 1: liked to experience that. I think that would be an
Speaker 1: awesome very fast. Yes, you have to have a You're
Speaker 1: always shirtless in the Bachelor, and Todd is the one
Speaker 1: who could probably really pull that off, especially if I
Speaker 1: knew once I hit about thirty it was gonna be
Speaker 1: all over in terms of the physical part of me.
Speaker 1: That definitely all in the mid twenties. What about you, mclemon,
Speaker 1: I don't think I could do it, just because, like
Speaker 1: I said, you have to do things like dance on
Speaker 1: TV and you have to be like naked all the time.
Speaker 1: I think I'd be too embarrass You gotta make out
Speaker 1: with oh yeah, like what if you don't? If you
Speaker 1: make out and like she doesn't want to, it's like
Speaker 1: public rejection is tough. I like that. Mike, though, was
Speaker 1: stockpiling his liquor during his season setan What about you
Speaker 1: twenty four No, no, not even clothes. It's hard to
Speaker 1: think what you do back then. I guess probably yes,
Speaker 1: because it seems like an opportunity. I'm sure there's some
Speaker 1: financial benefits to it. I didn't really want to be
Speaker 1: famous or anything, but the twenty four, I was dead broke.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some money involved. Yes, I could have
Speaker 1: been discovered. You could that I could have played Paul
Speaker 1: from Rocky. You know, you never know what publicist their
Speaker 1: agent is watching, and all of a sudden they watching
Speaker 1: for some goofy commercial for you know, some medical problem
Speaker 1: or something. That's what, right, that's what they're all. They're
Speaker 1: I'm looking for love. We all know they just want
Speaker 1: to be famous, So that could lead to something. There's
Speaker 1: an old retro Rocky movie that could be Paul. But
Speaker 1: I don't know what your game. How come you haven't
Speaker 1: gotten that call yet TV for ten years, but I'm
Speaker 1: still later that supposed to stare at the phone, or
Speaker 1: we should put everything out there to be a guy
Speaker 1: in a medical commerci like sky Rizzy sky Rizzy sky
Speaker 1: Rizzy the guy jumps off the cliff and Todd can't do.
Speaker 1: I don't appreciate when they have not today Crone's disease.
Speaker 1: I'm getting on an airplayer may alone. That's not how
Speaker 1: you talk with you. But I don't know what kind
Speaker 1: of game you had when you had the looks. So
Speaker 1: you had a full head of hair and you were jacked.
Speaker 1: But you were living at home with mom. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: might have been compensating if I don't have those other
Speaker 1: things wasted weightlifting? He weightlifted for nothing. Hey, mom's making
Speaker 1: you keep the door half open. This is no privacy.
Speaker 1: I don't think you would have had the game like
Speaker 1: you would have had the rap. But they, I'm sure
Speaker 1: the producers of the Bachelor would be like, Todd, you
Speaker 1: got to cut it in half. I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: be just dominic. It's not a four hour show. Help
Speaker 1: us out here. We're gonna have a three hour Bachelor
Speaker 1: where Todd talks. That's it. So, uh wait, what did
Speaker 1: you major in in college? For? Duser calls me over
Speaker 1: you you're cutting get to the eleven o'clock news. We
Speaker 1: have to be done by a certain time. Your ability
Speaker 1: to act interested in a beautiful woman is amazing. But
Speaker 1: do people want to watch that? When I'm asking about
Speaker 1: Bachelor's communed No, I want to know what she does
Speaker 1: for living and what she studied in high school. Especially
Speaker 1: the woman who's being asked all of these questions. She
Speaker 1: doesn't want that waiting for that next guy to come
Speaker 1: over to the cunnel. Can I spend some time with her?
Speaker 1: And they just kind of kick you out. There's a
Speaker 1: woman who cleans our studio, and Todd knows more about
Speaker 1: her than he does Pauling, no doubt, because he'll ask
Speaker 1: all of these questions. It's at least a push coming
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