1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Ketty Armstrong and 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: Gatty and he Armstrong and Eddy. But try and do 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: beautiful spiraling deep kick Smith be lost two recovers. 5 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, there's a couple of major turnovers. Dropped punt 6 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: was huge, ended up in a touchdown. Then how about 7 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: that Seahawks guy who decided to do the whole I'm 8 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: gonna prance in front of the opposing bench and get 9 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: in their face and cost his team a touchdown. 10 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: They're lucky they won. He could have been a historic 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: sports goat. 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: I've never understood the athletes who can't control their emotions 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: to that level. I understand you got to get really 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: really whipped up, but everybody on the field is whipped up, 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: and they're not acting like a jackass like you are 16 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: doing something that's obviously a fifteen yard bat'lety, believe. 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: You've correctly diagnosed the syndrome here. The man is a jackass, said, 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 3: I don't know. If you're not a football fan, don't worry. 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: This will be short. But I was reading Bill Pashkew's 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: a really good old sports writer been writing forever about 21 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 3: the Rams and how they screwed up. And Sean McVay, 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: their coach, he's normally just a genius, you know, mismanaged 23 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: it in certain ways and the focus has got to 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: be on him. But one of the one of the 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: there was some clock mismanagement. If you're a fan, you 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: already know what I'm talking about. If you're not, you 27 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 3: don't care. But then he said, and the special teams 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 3: another miss cue the fumbled punt return, blah blah blah. 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: Sean McVay just doesn't have a grip on the special teams. 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 3: And if you were watching the game, you know what happened. 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: The guy was drifting back a couple of steps to 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: feel the punt. 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: And he tripped. He tripped and fell on his ass. 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: Sean McVay not coached. The eyes did not fall on 35 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: the rasses. Has been is he encouraged. 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: Them to fall on the rasses? 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: No? I don't think so. The man fell on his ass. 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: You can't put that on the head coach. 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: It's a mes amazing when professional athletes do the sort 40 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: of thing that I would do regularly playing spots, because 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: like you're you're among the top level athletic coordinated people 42 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: who have ever been born. 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: And you've painted just five thousand times doing what you're 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: doing right now. Yeah, and you're taking a couple of 45 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: step backwards and you trip and fall down, right, what 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: do you mean? And coach McVeigh, it's time to practice 47 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: not falling on our asses. 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: You know what, Let's not worry about it. Let's send 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: the guys home. Yeah, that didn't happen. Don't lay that 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: on the coach. 51 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 2: One thing that I am interested in always, and this 52 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: is this is not sports. You can extrapolate this to 53 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: other things is dealing with pressure. I I've talked about 54 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: this many times when it came to sports. 55 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: I was horrible at that, like just horrible at that. 56 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: The uh the quarterback for the Broncos who had like 57 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: had had hardly ever played in his life before yesterday. 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: And he said, they it's a championship game. 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: And he throws an interception right away, and uh, or 60 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: a bad pass right away and and uh. And I thought, 61 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: if that were me, I would never be able to 62 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: stop thinking about that. I think, oh, this is my 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: one chance, and I blew it. I'm not designed for 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: this sort of thing. 65 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't it just killed me? 66 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: And uh, and the way some people just can think. 67 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: And it doesn't have to be sports. It could be 68 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: like public speaking or uh, you know, playing a musical 69 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: instrument in front of people, or all kinds of different 70 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: situations you in you end up in whether whether the 71 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: pressure gets to you or not. 72 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. 73 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: Are are people just built differently all the way around? 74 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: Is it something you can control? Wow, well, that's a 75 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: great question. 76 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: I actually had a really stimulating conversation about that very topic. 77 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, on Saturday, I was playing golf with a 78 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: couple of good friends, including one who is a captain 79 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: in the army who had just he's also got a 80 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: corporate thing he does these days, and just before a 81 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: meeting was going to start, one of the key members 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: of the management team had a heart attack, and they 83 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: had a defibrillator on hand, and we're working on CPR 84 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: and giving this guy the shocks and trying to keep 85 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: him semi alive until the EMTs could get there, blah 86 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: blah blah. And we had a conversation about people who 87 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: in a situation like that go blank, as opposed to 88 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: those who see what needs to be done, just go 89 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: about doing it. How much is training factor into that 90 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: is a genetic I've been told by military guys, when 91 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: you actually go into combat, you never know who's going 92 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: to keep their cool and who's going to lose it. 93 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: The hard ass who was always, you know, the alpha 94 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: dog and training what you don't know if he's going 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: to keep his stuff together, and the kind of mousey 96 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 3: guy who. 97 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: Just kind of went along. He might be the guy 98 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: who's a lion in battle. You just don't know, you know. 99 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: And I'm not an expert on any of these things, 100 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: so I would love to be educated by people who 101 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: know more about it. 102 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: And it's a great question. 103 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: In the sports world, I've noticed that Tony Romo color commentator, 104 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: who used to be a Dallas cowboy, who is a 105 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: good player but definitely not a great. 106 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: Player, constantly talks about the pressure. He's how he's gonna 107 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: handle the pressure. It's gonna be so difficult to handle 108 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: the pressure. Oh, this is gonna be a pressure situation 109 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: with a crowd like this. 110 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: And I noticed Tom Brady never mentions that, and I 111 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: think it's because Tom Brady didn't feel it the same 112 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: way as Tony Romo did. 113 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: Because tom Brady's not built that way. That just be 114 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: my guess. Tom Brady doesn't. 115 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: Constantly talk about all the pressure here's gonna be mounting 116 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: and just because that's not the way it was for him. 117 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: That's just my guess. That could be. 118 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because somebody could be he's he's done it 119 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: so many times, he just he doesn't remember. 120 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 121 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: And then you know the whole public speaking thing where 122 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: some people that just makes them wet their pants and 123 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: some people doesn't bother. 124 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: Them or whatever. I don't know. I don't know what 125 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: that is. We're in a bad spot culturally. Oh yes, And. 126 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: Kind of started the show with could we get some 127 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: grown ups up in here. 128 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 3: Or name a political figure who has not covered themselves 129 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: in shame through the whole Minneapolis ice thing. 130 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the whole if. 131 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: I acknowledge on this particular instance, the other side might 132 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: have a good point that that's just giving away too much. 133 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: Is one no way to run a railroad. You can't 134 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: run a family that way, you can't run a business 135 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: that way. 136 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: It's just it's crazy, right right. Yeah. 137 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: I think not only is it like morally questionable or 138 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: patriologically questionable, it's just. 139 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: Strategically a bad idea. 140 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: You're not going to win that way because you lose 141 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: your credibility. And the media plays a role in this, obviously, 142 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: because they do speaking of Inglory here, do the same 143 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: sort of thing on a regular basis. Like I don't 144 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: think Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota, coming out yesterday 145 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: and saying we have children hiding in Minneapolis, just like 146 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: Anne Frank had to hide from the Gestapo, and someday 147 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: one of them will write a book about what it was. 148 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? 149 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: If that were true, I would confront federal agents too, Okay, 150 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: I would be involved in violent protests. 151 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: But it's not true. It's not close to true. 152 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: You are joining with the hardcore Marxist to whip up 153 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: the well meaning soft heads into a fervor. That's just 154 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: that's wrong. My god, how middle aged lesbians have to 155 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: die in the streets before you realize, Look, these people 156 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: are not equipped to fight the Feds, and it's unjustified anyway. 157 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: I was all building to this from the New York 158 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: Times on Friday, this was before the kill, and I 159 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: tweeted this out to uh. I don't know if I 160 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: tweeted it out by I texted it the group because 161 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: I thought it was so funny, so I grated it out. 162 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: Gregory Bovino the President's Border patrol chief, and he's become 163 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: quite controversial anyway. He has chosen to wear this long 164 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: green overcoat, dark green overcoat that he wears the weather's 165 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: really cold up there, with his uniform patch on it 166 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: and everything. 167 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: It's kind of a common military coat look. 168 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: But the New York Times decided it makes him look 169 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: like a Nazi, and that he's doing it on purpose, 170 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: and kind of hinting that because he's wearing that, he 171 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: is a Nazi. 172 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it follow the logic. 173 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: The story in the New York Times actually a story 174 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: in one of the most important newspapers on planet Earth, 175 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: when a coat becomes a symbol of conflict, Well for you, 176 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: maybe not for any normal for the rest of us. Yeah, 177 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: but go on, how the choice of outer wear for 178 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: greg Bovino turned into part of the deportation story. 179 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm just grabbing a couple of lines from the article. 180 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: This coat, after all, was part of the classic military 181 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: costume in World War I and World War Two. 182 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: Oh, a long coat when it's really really cold. 183 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: Yes, Coats like this are closely associated with the German 184 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: military under Hitler. They had to get to the H 185 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: word in their article, and thus it did not take 186 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: long for mister Baveno's coat to become for many viewers 187 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: a sign not just of militarization but also of tyranny. 188 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: I know, I go into a store, I see a 189 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 3: long coat, I think nazzies. 190 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: Almost immediately, Gestapo comparisons began. Even California's governor das No. 191 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: You can't make that comparison, then say, immediately comparisons began. 192 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: Oh that's not the way a newspaper works. 193 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: Wait a second, you just you've written an article making 194 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: the comparison, and then you say in one paragraph, comparisons 195 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: have begun. 196 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: I've made that joke for years. Jack Armstrong is a 197 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 3: known lunatic. Broadcast reports have said that Jack Armstrong is 198 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 3: a known lunatic. 199 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: Please idiots. 200 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 2: Almost immediately after Boveno showed up in his coat, Gestapo 201 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: comparisons began. Even California's Governor Gavin Newsom got in under 202 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: the debate, adding his own post on Twitter. If you 203 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: think the calls of fascism and authoritarianism are hyperbole, pause 204 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: and watch this with just a picture of him walking 205 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: down the street in that coat. That coat is, on 206 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 2: its face proof of fascism and authoritarianism. I need to 207 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: quibble with every single phrase of this, even Gavin Newsom, No, 208 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: you can't put an even on a congenitally dishonest progressive politician. 209 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: Not even of course Gavin Newsom said that it's not 210 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: a stretch. And then they quote some professor at a 211 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: fancy college using the coat to confront crowds with armed supporters. 212 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: Together with Bovino's cropped hair and the apparently black or 213 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 2: dark clothing underneath, gives the parent a dark clothing that 214 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: was the unmistakable whiff of dictators in the nineteen thirties. 215 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: Oh, Nazi Germany. 216 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: Because people in like law enforcement and military situations having 217 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: close cropped airs only happened with Nazi regimes and isn't 218 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: like constant around the world for the last two centuries. 219 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: I almost threw on a navy blue golf shirt the 220 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 3: other day, and Judy said to me, Honey, you don't 221 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: want to. 222 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: Put on that apparently dark clothing. 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Woolf I think that coach. 261 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: Story, and particularly the way it was written, is one 262 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: of the dumber things I've come across the New York Times. 263 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it just occurred to me. 264 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: My dog Baxter, he has apparently dark fur Nazi dog. 265 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: He's a Nazi or people have compared him to that. Oh, 266 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: immediately the comparisons began. We have more on the ways there. 267 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: This is your favorite meteorologist reporting live from the snowstorm. 268 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: Is very cold. 269 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 4: It's colder than the average Somali. It's very cold, very 270 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: low temperatures. You know, their iques are very low, but 271 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 4: the temperatures are lower than that, which means it's very cold. 272 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 4: You have big, beautiful flakes falling from this guy, fat flakes. 273 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 4: It looks like Chris Christie falling out of this guy. 274 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 4: But we get along very well with the snow. In 275 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 4: a few hours, we're expecting ice. 276 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: You love ice. 277 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: We all love ice, except when it gets on the 278 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 4: power lines. Then we want to abolish ice. But we 279 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: hope the power stays on and we hope you stay warm. 280 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, last part got me. Reminds me. There are a 281 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: couple of sports figures over the weekend who wore you 282 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 3: know and ice abolish ice t shirts that sort of thing, 283 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: including one you know lady basketball player who I wish 284 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: I had it in front of me. They asked her 285 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: why she wore it and her and she's like thirty 286 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: one years old. She ought to know better, but her 287 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: answer was like that of a child. I think we 288 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: all need to come together and not hurt each other, 289 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: and we need to be nice. Okay, great, super you 290 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: know what, play basketball. I'm sure you're a lovely person. 291 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: Go take care of the people who care about you. 292 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: But please stay out of the management of the nation. 293 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: Speaking of which, Boise, Idaho, there's no z in. Boise 294 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: is a blue blot in a beautiful red state. It's 295 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: actually a lovely town. But it's got the University of 296 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: Idaho there. And is it Idaho the University of Idaho 297 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: or Idaho State? I can never remember that big old, 298 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: big old college is there. 299 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: I don't care. I didn't go there anyway. So, but 300 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: it's very, very blue. 301 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: And apparently they had a go inside to a classroom 302 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: training session on what we're going to chant and how 303 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: we're going to chant it before we go demonstrate Clip twelve. 304 00:15:52,160 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 5: Michael, Okay, that was a richer vein of interesting material. 305 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: And I thought it would be so. 306 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: Not only are they in their teaching the earnest soft 307 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: heads what the chants are going to be. And I 308 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: thought the idea of a chant was you can pick 309 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: it up like immediately. I didn't know you had to 310 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: rehearse them. Secondly, how interesting if billionaires keep what was. 311 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: The phrase, funding ice, funding ice, right, the working class 312 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: goes out on strike. 313 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: If there are any of you left who thought that, 314 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: I Joe have been like obsessed with communism or old 315 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: cold Warrior or something like that. I'm telling you that 316 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: people fomenting so much of this are hardcore Marxists, and 317 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 3: then the earnest young people in liberals they get swept 318 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 3: up in it. 319 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: They don't know what the hell they're doing. 320 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: They just think they're standing up for what is good 321 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: and right, and their heads are too soft to really 322 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: process it. But what do billionaires funding ICE have to 323 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 3: do with anything? That is such a nakedly obvious attempt 324 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: to pull in some sort of classical Marxism, which was 325 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: all about class and the means of production and money 326 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: and that sort of thing. Neo Marxism or social Marxism 327 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: is much more about I'm gay, I'm trans, I'm queer, 328 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 3: I'm nonspecific, I'm bipock, i'm black, whatever. But they threw 329 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 3: in the billionaire thing just to make sure you caught 330 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: those people up to well. 331 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: Next clip, Michael. 332 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 5: Down dawn with depart. 333 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 3: Uh wow, that is like nonspecific greeting card. Get college 334 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 3: girls excited, down down with deportation, up with liberation. 335 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry. It was a Boise State university. 336 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: That's there, and that's all the people that were out there. 337 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: Oh my god, no more chanting, No more chanting. 338 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: That's right. 339 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty, Hey, how you doing, Welcome to the show, 340 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 3: ID your here? Hope you had a good weekend. Jack 341 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: is going to be away for just like an hour. 342 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: He's got to deal with some family stuff and then 343 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 3: we'll return in triumph. And this actually is a decent 344 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: opportunity to do something kind of long for me that 345 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 3: I've been wanting to do for a while. It works 346 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: better as a monologue than a conversation, and it has 347 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 3: to do with a piece Jonathan Heyde wrote, I don't 348 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: know if you know Jonathan. He's a social psychologist, professor, 349 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 3: conducts all sorts of research. He's been part of some 350 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 3: great books. And we'll post this piece if you can't 351 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 3: listen to the whole thing, or you just want access 352 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: to it at Armstrong and Giddy dot com the link. 353 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you'll get paywald. It was published 354 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: in the Free Press. I hope not. But anyway, you know, 355 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: there's an old saying that's got a lot of truth 356 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 3: to it, that youth is wasted on the young and 357 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: wisdom on the old. And one of the things I 358 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 3: have figured out is my hair has grayed is that 359 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: you're either going to be shaped in what you do 360 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: and who you are and how you see yourself by 361 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: principles and beliefs you have that are your bedrock, your foundation, 362 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 3: or you will be shaped by the society around you, 363 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: which is increasingly technology. 364 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: You know, social. 365 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: Media, you know the media, media, online relationships, and that's 366 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: sort of thing. And you don't need to adopt religion 367 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 3: as your bedrock of belief, but you know, most of 368 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 3: the great philosophies and religions of the world have several 369 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: things that are in common and they just keep people grounded. 370 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: On the other hand, popular culture, maybe that's the best 371 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 3: term to use for the other alternative. So much of 372 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: popular culture is determined by people who are profiting from 373 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: you engaging in a certain set of behaviors that are 374 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: not at all good for you, whether it's what you're 375 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 3: eating or watching or scrolling through or whatever. And I 376 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: think a lot of people, particularly young people, who are 377 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: not grounded in that sort of bedrock belief I was 378 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: talking about, they tend to be extra influenceable and luable 379 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 3: by what they see all around them. And it's not 380 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: an insane thing to think I'm going to look around 381 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 3: me and figure out. 382 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: How to be. 383 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 3: I will get my cues from the world, and I 384 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: will know what to do and who to be. But 385 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: the problem is again those people putting out those signals 386 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: that we all take in all around us. Like we're 387 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: surrounded three hundred and sixty degrees or whatever a sphere is. 388 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 3: We're completely surrounded by those influences that have not only 389 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 3: do they not have our best interests in mind or 390 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: at heart, they don't even think of them. 391 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: What we watch, what we do all day long. 392 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 3: Did you decide that because you'd be carefully held principles 393 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 3: or because that's what people around you are doing? Anyway, 394 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 3: particularly with young people. I think that's kind of insidious 395 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: in the world today because, as I've said many times, 396 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 3: it used. 397 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: To be human beings inputs. 398 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: The things we saw, heard, felt, smelled, whatever were immediately 399 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 3: around us. The people we interacted with were in the 400 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: same room with us, or Grandma on the telephone or whatever. 401 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 3: Occasionally you watch the evening news blah blah blah. Now 402 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 3: it's the entire world, all the evil doing and sick 403 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: ohs and morons and good people from all over the 404 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 3: earth have access to your brain and your eyes and ears, 405 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: and your mind and your heart and. 406 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: Your kids too. 407 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: And I just don't think that's That's not something human 408 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: beings are built to deal with, which brings us back 409 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: to Jonathan Height's work of art slash journalism, The Devil's 410 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 3: Plan to ruin the Next Generation. Jonathan became aware earlier 411 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: this year that someone had started a vital trend of 412 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: a viral trend of asking irony. There viral trend asking 413 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 3: chat gpt this question, if you were the devil, how 414 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 3: would you destroy the next generation without them even knowing it? 415 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: And some of the responses were profound and unsettling. 416 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: Quote. 417 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: I wouldn't come with violence. I'd come with convenience. Or 418 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 3: I'd keep them busy, always distracted. I'd watched their minds 419 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 3: rot slowly, sweetly, silently. And the best part is they'd 420 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: never know it was me. They'd call it freedom. Getting 421 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: back to Height, as a social psychologist who's been trying 422 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: since twenty fifteen to figure out what on earth was 423 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 3: happening to gen Z, I was stunned. Why because what 424 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 3: the AI proposed doing is pretty much what technology seems 425 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: to be doing to children today. Seem to be saying, 426 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 3: if the devil wanted to destroy a generation, he could 427 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: just give them all smartphones. Then he points out that 428 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: his work over the last decade has centered on one question, 429 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: why did the mental health of gen Z, which is 430 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: roughly the folks born between nineteen ninety six and twenty twelve, 431 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 3: including my daughter, Why did their mental health plummet in 432 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: so many countries starting in their early twenty tens. He writes, 433 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: I first focused on the role of over protection coddling, 434 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 3: which is probably part of it, but since then there's 435 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 3: been a growing body of evidence implicating technology, particularly smartphones 436 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: and social media. So borrowing the from the cybersecurity concept 437 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: of red teaming, where you practice bad guys to try 438 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 3: to hack into your system, essentially, he writes, I decided 439 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: to ask chat GPT myself how it's devil would stuff 440 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: onto adolescent development in the digital age, Because what better 441 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: way to stop the ongoing invisible corrosion of the human 442 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 3: spirit than by getting in the devil's head to understand 443 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 3: how he's doing it. 444 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: And it actually began. 445 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: If I were to think this through as a thought experiment, 446 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: imagining the devil in a metaphorical sense, the most effective 447 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: way to destroy the next generation without them realizing it 448 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: would be through slow, invisible corrosions of the human spirit 449 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: rather than obvious attacks. And then I think I can 450 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: skip the next section in which Jonathan hight S has 451 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: some things similar to what I was just saying. How 452 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: religion or spirituality or firm beliefs draw us upward our 453 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: better angels, as Lincoln would put it, whereas our inner 454 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 3: demons pull us downward where we're more selfish, easily tempted, cruel, 455 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And in his book The Anxious Generation, 456 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: which is terrific, I devoted a whole chapter to spiritual 457 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 3: degradation and online life pulling people downward. 458 00:24:59,080 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: But I'm going to skip. 459 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: Ah had to one statistic then his list of how 460 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 3: the Devil's going to do what the devil wants to do. 461 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: They have been polling young people twelfth grade boys and 462 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: girls on a variety of different questions since the nineteen 463 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: nineties and for a very very very long time. If 464 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: you asked boys and girls twelfth grade, that's your high 465 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 3: school seniors, how often do you do you agree with 466 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 3: this statement? Life often feels meaningless From the beginning of 467 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: the poll to like twenty twelve, the numbers were fifteen, sixteen, 468 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 3: seventeen percent, and then around twenty ten it was actually 469 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: down like twelve thirteen percent. Pretty consistent, though, would say 470 00:25:54,520 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 3: life often feels meaningless. Ten years later that thirteen percent 471 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 3: of girls was thirty three percent from thirteen to thirty three, 472 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: and the boys who bottomed out around eleven percent then 473 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 3: were at twelve are up to twenty two percent, saying 474 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: life often feels meaningless. 475 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: What the hell? What happened? Well, that's what he's talking about, obviously. 476 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: Here's his list. 477 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: He's reprinting chat GPT's seven step plan, followed by his 478 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: own commentary. Step number one erode attention and presence. If 479 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: young people can't focus deeply, they can't learn, create, or 480 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 3: love well. The subtle trap is to addict them to 481 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 3: constant stimulation, endless scrolling notifications, microbursts of dopamine. They'll feel busy, connected, 482 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 3: even informed, while in reality their capacity for sustained thought 483 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 3: and presence erodes. They won't know what they've lost. Meanwhile, 484 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 3: on the devil's side, Zuckerberg and you know everybody else, 485 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 3: you know, your Googles, your YouTube's, everybody in tech is saying, yeah, 486 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: but we made hundreds of billions of dollars doing that 487 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: to the kids, and the kids do it because that's 488 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: what they see happening around them. Then he throws out 489 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: some of his commentary about the incredible difficulty youngsters have 490 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: reading books, sitting through a seventy five minute class, doing 491 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 3: their homework in a way that is completely different than. 492 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: Just fifteen years ago. 493 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: It becomes very, very hard to engage in what some 494 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 3: scientists called deep work and what the Devil called sustained 495 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: thought and presence. Not to mention, he mentioned being a friend, 496 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 3: a real friend, a romantic partner. You're less likely to 497 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 3: be successful in love and in work. And that's been 498 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 3: born out Number two. Confuse identity and purpose. Oh, this 499 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 3: one's This one's chewy. 500 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: Hm hmm. 501 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 3: If you blur the sources of meaning, which for all 502 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 3: of human history have been family, community, nation, faith, your vocation, 503 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 3: I'm a carpenter and a damn good one. That sort 504 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: of thing young people drift. They'll be encouraged to see 505 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: identity as endlessly fluid and performative, constantly managed for external approvals, likes, followers, etc. 506 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 3: Instead of rooted in enduring values are commitments that makes 507 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 3: them malleable easily manipulated, anxious, and dependent on external validation. 508 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: That is so good Here the devil u is the 509 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: word that best explains why some kids have been pushed 510 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 3: into a pit of dispear while others have stood their 511 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: ground rootedness and height mentions that he and his co 512 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: author and the Anxious generation found that those who were 513 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: rooted in binding moral communities had some protection from the 514 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 3: negative mental health effects of the new phone based child good. 515 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's weird. That's a sickening phrase, isn't it. 516 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: Phone based childhood teens who said religion is important in 517 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: my family suffered smaller decrease increases in ancient anxiety and depression. 518 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: So did self describe conservatives who generally live in a 519 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: more constraining binding moral matrix, while progressive moralities aim to 520 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: grant people more freedom to choose their values and create 521 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 3: their own identities, and. 522 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: So they graft it and. 523 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 3: Conservative religious important kids are at the same level of 524 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: life is often meaningless, a few ups and downs, a 525 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: few percentage points, they're still around ten percent, whereas conservative 526 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 3: religion not important when as high as of like twenty 527 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: five percent a couple of years ago, and interestingly, as 528 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: more and more kids are unplugging and realizing what social 529 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: media is. Their numbers have come down substantially. They don't 530 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 3: think life is meaningless and nearly as high numbers. It's 531 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: higher than it used to be. But liberal religion but 532 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 3: religious is important, went to like twenty six percent and 533 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: they've come down a little bit. 534 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: Liberal religion not. 535 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 3: Important is at thirty three percent and still rising. Life 536 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 3: often feels meaningless. 537 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: Holy cow. 538 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 3: I want to get this all in, so I've got 539 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: to forge ahead and again we'll post this link under 540 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: hot links at Armstrong and Geeddy dot com. 541 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: Step three. 542 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 3: Flood them with information, Starve them of wisdom, make everything 543 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: available instantly, but strip away guidance about how to weigh, sort, 544 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 3: and interpret. Give them infinite answers without teaching how to 545 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: ask good questions. In that Hay's truth and falsehood feel 546 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 3: equally slippery, So cynicism becomes natural. A generation that doubts everything, 547 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 3: believes nothing. And Height's first book was called a Happiness Hypothesis. 548 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 3: I actually read that years ago, and I met him 549 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: and shook his hand. And it's funny, I hadn't thought 550 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: of it until now, but I read all the wisdom literature. 551 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: I could find you right so East and West. 552 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: I extracted ten common psychological claims that evaluated them from 553 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: the lens of modern psychology. The ancient's insights into social 554 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 3: relationships and consciousness were timeless and precious. It's not that 555 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: people in ancient Rome, etc. Or smarter and wiser than us. 556 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: It's that we have the benefit of reading only the 557 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 3: books and ideas that our ancestors thought to be worth 558 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: preserving across hundreds of generations. So you don't read the 559 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: crap from the Roman Empire because it all got thrown away. Anyway, 560 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 3: He points out that all those ancient bits of wisdom 561 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 3: leads you to the same place, which is the stuff 562 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 3: we've been talking about. Here's step number four in ruining 563 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: the kid's souls. 564 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: Then we'll have to take a break. 565 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 3: Replace relationship with simulacra It's phonies, substitutes encourage digital substitutes 566 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 3: for friendship, love, and intimacy. You know, I don't want 567 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: to pat myself on the back, but I've been saying 568 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: since nearly the dawn of Facebook, I'm sickened by the 569 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 3: term friends for people you barely know and barely interact with, 570 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 3: and you put a heart on their post or whatever 571 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: on Facebook. That's not a friend. A friend is something 572 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 3: incredibly important to the human soul, and that ain't it. Anyway, 573 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 3: back to Height, here's how you're ruined kids souls encourage 574 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 3: digital substitutes for friendship, love, and intimacy. People will accumulate 575 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: connections while feeling lonelier than ever. Superficial bonds are easier 576 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: to monetize and manipulate than the deep ties of family, friendship, 577 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: and community. The tragedy is that they may not realize 578 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: what real connection feels like. The devil targets real relationships 579 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 3: because research consistently shows that having close relationships is one 580 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: of the best predictors of happiness for the young and 581 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: old alike, not fake, shallow online relationships, real relationships, the evil, 582 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 3: Zuckerberg replies in the rest of the list coming up, 583 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 3: stay with us. 584 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: We're going through Jonathan. 585 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 3: Heights absolutely brilliant list of how the devil would steal 586 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: the souls of the next generation, and he would do 587 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: it through social media and smartphones. 588 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, I'd encourage. 589 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: You strongly to grab the previous segment via podcast. You 590 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 3: ought to subscribe to Armstrong and Getty on demand our 591 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 3: podcast anyway, So replacing real relationships with fake ones online ones, 592 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 3: which is specifically what Mark Zuckerberg and Meta and all 593 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 3: those social media companies want the kids to do, including 594 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: specifically saying okay in leaked internal policy memos to sensual talk. 595 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: And why would. 596 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 3: Young people have to learn skills that are a little 597 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: challenging like flirting, dating, becoming a good lover, committing to 598 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 3: another person, all of which bring risks of rejection when 599 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 3: they can have an endless supply of virtual erotic companions 600 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: with customizable bodies, voices, and kinks who will never disappoint 601 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: the mirac like a real human being. 602 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: Finishing the list because we don't have a lot of time. 603 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 3: Step number five would be normalized hedonism and pathologize discipline. 604 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: Convince them the comfort, consumption, and self expression are the 605 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 3: highest goods, while restraints, sacrifice, and long term commitments are oppressive. 606 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 3: That way, they'll celebrate indulgence while mocking tradition and discipline, 607 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 3: the very things that build strength and freedom across generations. 608 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 3: Children are anti fragile Height points out they need to 609 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: do hard things over and over and suffer setbacks and 610 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 3: losses in order to become strong, independent adults. I love this, 611 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 3: and there's more to it. I would love to read 612 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 3: this whole section because I believe it firmly. But let's 613 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 3: make sure we finish the list. Number six, undermine trust 614 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 3: across generations, so suspicion between parents and children, teachers and students, 615 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 3: elders and youth. If every authority figure is portrayed as 616 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 3: untrustworthy or obsolete, the next generation grows rootless, cut off 617 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: from inherited wisdom, and forced to navigate the world with 618 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 3: only the guidance of peers and algorithms. And in the 619 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 3: case of TikTok, those algorithms are frequently frequently the Chinese communists. 620 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: You know. 621 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 3: That reminds me, I want to talk more about the 622 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 3: new deal to permit TikTok to go forward. 623 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, so bad. 624 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 3: For as long as humans have had customs and cultures, 625 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 3: the accumulated wisdom of a community's passed down vertically from 626 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 3: older generations to younger ones, etc. And then the final 627 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 3: way to undermine the kid's souls. Make everything a marketplace 628 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 3: in every experience, play, art, sex, spirituality, even friendship becomes commodified. 629 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 3: Then nothing remains sacred. Young people will may mistake consumption 630 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 3: for meaning, never realizing that depth requires some things to 631 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 3: be beyond price. In short, if I were the devil, 632 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 3: I destroyed the next generation not by terror, violence, but 633 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 3: by distraction, disconnection, and slow erosion of meaning, they wouldn't 634 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: even notice, because it would feel like freedom and entertainment, distraction, disconnection, 635 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 3: and the erosion of mean the opposite focus, connection and 636 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 3: finding meaning, whether it's you or your youngsters, or the 637 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 3: young people you mentor again, we've got this. We will 638 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 3: have the link under hot links at Armstrong and getty 639 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 3: dot com and then have a special blog post so 640 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 3: you can find it easily. But it's some of the 641 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 3: best stuff I've read on this absolutely terrific. 642 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: We'll get back into the news of the day. 643 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 3: Coming up in a couple of minutes, including the awful 644 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 3: shooting of the young men in Minneapolis and the awfler reactions. 645 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 5: To stay with him, Armstrong and Getty